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I want to see an Optimus be roboTaxied into the event, get out of the car, get a package from the back, walk upstairs, present the package to Elon, turn around, wave to the audience, go back to the RoboTaxi, and head off into the sunset.
It's wild to me that the biggest complaint we have now is that it accelerates too slowly (or more accurately, takes too long to get up to the appropriate speed). It definitely has some things left to implement (parking, reversing, 3 point turns, pick-up/drop-off) and some weird edge cases, but for the most part it's really good.
I can’t wait for the Tesla event tomorrow man. I also resubscribed to FSD yesterday and got 2024.32.10 (FSD 12.5.4.1) and holy shit it’s impressive do FSD man. ASS is a huuuuge improvement over the old USS Smart Summon. And FSD itself is doing some major things it couldn’t do before for me, can’t wait for this one now! Tesla is fucking killing it man. 🥳
Can't wait till i get it. I did a road trip from Tucson to Los Angeles and back last week and only took over once, and it was unnecessary. And that was on 12.3 on city streets, but i think it was still v11 on highways. The only time i took over was coming into LA there was an interchange that was backed up nearly a mile and the car wanted to blow past everyone and merge at the last second, but I'm not that kinda driver.
@2:52 The Stop Line makes PERFECT sense. The Stop sign is the first information from far away that you have to stop soon and the line indicates STOP HERE and watch for traffic before you get into traffic. But hey..... why they didnt ask you first before they paint it ? right ?
I look forward to end-to-end on highways. I just did 15 hours of driving in two days with 12.5.4 on HW3, mostly highway miles. The current highway stack is good, but I still had around 6 phantom braking events, and the car kept trying to get into a paid express lane until I set it to minimal lane changes.
It's a different stack on highway I believe! There was a leak a little while ago about how the v12 e2e model didn't work well on highways, so they were developing a separate model. I think that's why the profiles only work on highways for now but hopefully they bring them to the city streets model
Starting to creep on green is massive! It shows intent to the cars behind, informing them you aren’t asleep but have seen the green and is ready to pounce. If all drivers did that it would relieve so much unnecessary traffic pile ups
love your videos, this was a quick shot and still just perfect. The way you do it all and comment is the best of all FSD testers by far. Have fun at the event!!!
My honest guess with the new speed profiles is this: Not many users have 12.5.6, where the new (speed) profiles have been introduced, therefore it won't know just yet what "avg" speed it should go at. However, as more users use the new highway and street stack, it will (eventually) have a better understanding of what the speed should be as more data is submitted by testers and regular drivers. TLDR: My other honest guess here with new revisions - 12.5.4, 12.5.5, 12.5.6, etc. is this: Every version is rollout in its own "environment" / (Virtual Machine), hence the reason why previous would behave one way whilst another can behave completely different - good or bad. I do, however, think the FSD team does try to clone/duplicate/snapshot (as best as they can) all the good behaviors of the previous version prior to releasing a new build. This will allow newer builds to pick-up/continue what its learnt and retain from what it's learnt in a previous build before adding new lessons/changes/interventions. Thoughts?
I like this implementation of max speed better. Cruise at a speed thats appropriate for the situation but occasionally go faster up to the max for passing. Otherwise if you’re always at max speed, it gets difficult to change lanes with other cars that are going similar speeds
I think if i was rolling out an update for a new feature (Freeway AI) then I would be cautious with the speed for the first update. It's better that its a bit slower than you want on the freeway than too fast which increases the chance of accidents. Awesome reporting.
To be fair I've never encountered an edge case where the vehicle actually needed to put itself in reverse. If it got itself into a sticky situation in the first place then that's an intervention, but yeah ASS in particular has a long ways to go. My one experience with it, it pulled out and drove down the wrong direction in a one way parking lane. Totally embarrassing and I'm excited for the future where I can be more confident with it.
@@rickkay9548 of course the car will be able to reverse, and ASS is the proof. They are executing extremely fast, in sure it'll happen soon. Btw, people in other countries are waiting as well...
@@ToledoTerps I10 through NM... anything over speed limit gets ticketed. I was on I40 through Albuquerque (NM) and saw 2 people get ticketed for barely speeding (I was needling the speed limit because of how annoying the highway patrol is in the area).
It started with the oil crisis and to save fuel they dropped the speed limit to 55 nationwide. It took a long time to make the speed limit more realistic and in some areas they still haven't but people got used to speeding over the limit.
10:39 my favorite is when my car does 35mph past my house that’s on a 25 mph narrow bumpy street 😂 Hope they fix that. - also how are you submitting things to Tesla for review? I thought that button just saved video to the local usb. 17:46
I find myself still taking over all the time on highways, always having minimal lane changes enabled and manually using the stalks to engage a lane change. I'm still on ol' fashioned 12.5.4 HW3 (Even on "advanced" update settings I find myself to be one of the unlucky few to get software updates last) and the highway driving to me has always been no better than autosteer. I would straight up use autosteer instead if it weren't for the inferior visualizations, so I'm definitely excited for the new highway improvements.
I’m waiting for the speed control to be fixed before I subscribe to FSD. It’s to painful to go 22mph in a 40mph zone, I have to hit the accelerator for over a mile on my way home.
It is very interesting to see the evolution of FSD. So thank you for your good videos. Though, I do see it do a lot of questionable decisions still, that makes me think it is still a long way out for being approved in Europe, or at least Germany. For example, at 8:32 it accelerated on a yellow light turning into Red. This would, theoretically, be a fine, if a cop sees you behave aggressive or they do a focus check on a dangerous road/street; although only 10 - 15€. Or at 8:57, it fails to adjust speed to a lower limit - At least here in Germany you have to be at the lower speed limit when you pass the sign, and not pass it and then at some point after reduce speed. Also, the stop line at 2:56 is making a lot of sense to me - or at least from my European perspective - as there is a pavement that ends there leaving pedestrians no other choice than entering the roadway if they don't want to continue through the bushes.
I drive Uber full-time, and I have a Model Y 2024 HWV4. I use FSD in almost every trip I do. When talking about speeding, it will maintain whatever speed it needs to keep battery levels stable. It's driving for efficiency not performance. At least in my experience.
Its obvious to me that the only thing that changed with the visualisations is that the car positions are interpolated where previously they weren't. So its not actually doing any more processing, its just transitioning between the outdated position and the new one between each update. Guess it was a bug that prevented it from working. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing to do, but if im right, then it's not that technically impressive.
With 12.5.4 I’ve noticed that when it gets close to the destination (and maybe other cases) it takes turns early, like turns right or left one intersection before navigating in planning for. In all those cases navigating fixed the issue but it’s a new issue and it’s really weird…
FSD just really needs to follow the posted speed limit it detects, with just a 5mph additional allowance if only to avoid a speeding ticket. also should always try to stick to the right or middle lanes and get to safely switch when clear into the exact lane it’s eventually going to make a turn to at least 3 miles in advance or more based on navigation data so it doesn’t have to engage in these unnecessary lane changes. lane changes just up the risk of bumping into another vehicle because of the unpredictable behavior of human drivers, where more often than not they speed up because they don’t want to give way. Sometimes with aggressive drivers, they would purposely smash into your vehicle and insist they have the right of way if you’re the one changing into their lane. So it’s really important that Tesla has to be able to make that lane change decision safely, properly and effectively way in advance and stick to that lane, changing only when it is urgently necessary.
The last 20% takes 80 % of the time in all software development. Maybe also in NN development. But I think FSD passed that last 20 % a while ago, and we should probably only count time from the start of the end-to-end network development.. Actually, it's pretty hard to know how long time it will take before FSD is better than most drivers, but I guess it will be within a year.
The path planner is no longer connected to actual planning IIRC. The neural mets can't say what they are doing or going to do, so the old code is still used to approximate it
@@thomasreese2816I hear what you’re saying, but in many cases it seems to be in perfect synchronization. To the planner itself, I think what it’s showing when it’s twitching are the options it’s considering in quick succession, and then it locks onto a decision and the path becomes calm.
It seems like they want FSD to do everything instead of the route planner helping out with things like speed. The route planner should know the speed from the get go without any signage.
All I know is this 12.5.6 was badly needed because 12.5.4 is unusable on the highway. The car hogs the left lane and will merge into the left lane right in front of speeding traffic doing 25mph faster than you. And it just camps the left, never moving back to the right after passing, literally the opposite of what you’re supposed to do. The worst part is when it goes dangerously slow in some situations, turning you into a moving chicane. Hopefully end to end fixes this and it’s trained on German drivers instead of morons here in the states.
@@lachlanB323 NO! The Tesla 100%.... Didn't catch the truck blinker and didn't slow down regardless of the van behind it that's the ONLY thing to reasonably do here.
10:45 it goes left lane because of the next left turn and you're going to tell us it's because of the human. How could the car see this person thru the side cams? They are not designed for far far small objects...
It would be nice if during rush hour and standstill traffic in the 2 leftmost lanes where motorcycles splitting lanes is legal, it would naturally bias out of the way of them to make things less awkward, I would be so happy.
Why is it your pet peeve. Don't u think it's scary for an underpowered car to merge at a high speed onto the fwy? It's not like people are trying to be slow.
What are your predictions for the We, Robot event?
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I want to see an Optimus be roboTaxied into the event, get out of the car, get a package from the back, walk upstairs, present the package to Elon, turn around, wave to the audience, go back to the RoboTaxi, and head off into the sunset.
Robotaxi and two other things
It's wild to me that the biggest complaint we have now is that it accelerates too slowly (or more accurately, takes too long to get up to the appropriate speed). It definitely has some things left to implement (parking, reversing, 3 point turns, pick-up/drop-off) and some weird edge cases, but for the most part it's really good.
It's been a long time since an ai drivr video about FSD. Best quality and commentary on FSD
feels weird seeing my everyday commute on videos like these. awesome work!
Wow mate, that was an awesome video, the overlay, the fast forwarding through the boring bits, the naration, all fantastic.
Bravo, JD. Still amazing production value, and it was the right move to put out a new video.😎
I can’t wait for the Tesla event tomorrow man. I also resubscribed to FSD yesterday and got 2024.32.10 (FSD 12.5.4.1) and holy shit it’s impressive do FSD man. ASS is a huuuuge improvement over the old USS Smart Summon. And FSD itself is doing some major things it couldn’t do before for me, can’t wait for this one now! Tesla is fucking killing it man. 🥳
Can't wait till i get it. I did a road trip from Tucson to Los Angeles and back last week and only took over once, and it was unnecessary. And that was on 12.3 on city streets, but i think it was still v11 on highways. The only time i took over was coming into LA there was an interchange that was backed up nearly a mile and the car wanted to blow past everyone and merge at the last second, but I'm not that kinda driver.
Wow after fixing the 4 hear old bug, the rendering is extremely smooth with barely noticeable lag! Bravo. Hope it runs just as smooth on older models.
personally I really like the fast forward moments. Yes its awesome to see every nit pick but I loved this newer style of editing
@2:52 The Stop Line makes PERFECT sense. The Stop sign is the first information from far away that you have to stop soon and the line indicates STOP HERE and watch for traffic before you get into traffic. But hey..... why they didnt ask you first before they paint it ? right ?
That stretch of 4 is a great spot to test how it handles people doing 90 weaving in and out of traffic. Lol
I look forward to end-to-end on highways. I just did 15 hours of driving in two days with 12.5.4 on HW3, mostly highway miles. The current highway stack is good, but I still had around 6 phantom braking events, and the car kept trying to get into a paid express lane until I set it to minimal lane changes.
It's a different stack on highway I believe! There was a leak a little while ago about how the v12 e2e model didn't work well on highways, so they were developing a separate model. I think that's why the profiles only work on highways for now but hopefully they bring them to the city streets model
Well dine Tesla team, incredible work
Starting to creep on green is massive! It shows intent to the cars behind, informing them you aren’t asleep but have seen the green and is ready to pounce. If all drivers did that it would relieve so much unnecessary traffic pile ups
love your videos, this was a quick shot and still just perfect. The way you do it all and comment is the best of all FSD testers by far. Have fun at the event!!!
LOVE THESE VIDEOS !!
My honest guess with the new speed profiles is this:
Not many users have 12.5.6, where the new (speed) profiles have been introduced, therefore it won't know just yet what "avg" speed it should go at. However, as more users use the new highway and street stack, it will (eventually) have a better understanding of what the speed should be as more data is submitted by testers and regular drivers.
TLDR:
My other honest guess here with new revisions - 12.5.4, 12.5.5, 12.5.6, etc. is this:
Every version is rollout in its own "environment" / (Virtual Machine), hence the reason why previous would behave one way whilst another can behave completely different - good or bad. I do, however, think the FSD team does try to clone/duplicate/snapshot (as best as they can) all the good behaviors of the previous version prior to releasing a new build. This will allow newer builds to pick-up/continue what its learnt and retain from what it's learnt in a previous build before adding new lessons/changes/interventions.
Thoughts?
Dude, why is your TLDR longer than your "main" text :D
@@yasho437 I guess in my context it can be "Too Long; Don't Read" 😅
I thoroughly enjoyed your narration! Look forward to more of your FSD videos.
I like this implementation of max speed better. Cruise at a speed thats appropriate for the situation but occasionally go faster up to the max for passing. Otherwise if you’re always at max speed, it gets difficult to change lanes with other cars that are going similar speeds
I think if i was rolling out an update for a new feature (Freeway AI) then I would be cautious with the speed for the first update. It's better that its a bit slower than you want on the freeway than too fast which increases the chance of accidents. Awesome reporting.
Amazing. Cannot wait for this in Australia
5:44 As a European I can comprehend this bikelane where you have to cut threw 💀
Just cut threw
@@tylerN76796 threw the cyclist that is in my blindspot?
This also exists in Europe.
The lack of reverse (or just switching to summon reverse FFS) is getting irritating.
Oh no your self driving car can't do 100% of the way, only 99% 😢😢
To be fair I've never encountered an edge case where the vehicle actually needed to put itself in reverse. If it got itself into a sticky situation in the first place then that's an intervention, but yeah ASS in particular has a long ways to go. My one experience with it, it pulled out and drove down the wrong direction in a one way parking lane. Totally embarrassing and I'm excited for the future where I can be more confident with it.
@@niking92 99% is being very generous. I’d call it 92% fleet average
@@rickkay9548 of course the car will be able to reverse, and ASS is the proof. They are executing extremely fast, in sure it'll happen soon. Btw, people in other countries are waiting as well...
THanks for the update
Are speed limits more of a suggestion in the US? Like being able to/wanting to go 20% over what is signed feels like a lot.
Yep, especially in Texas and california.
Yeah the word limit apparently means minimum to Americans.
Depends on where you are. Some places care more than others. Don’t speed in school zones for sure lol
@@ToledoTerps I10 through NM... anything over speed limit gets ticketed. I was on I40 through Albuquerque (NM) and saw 2 people get ticketed for barely speeding (I was needling the speed limit because of how annoying the highway patrol is in the area).
It started with the oil crisis and to save fuel they dropped the speed limit to 55 nationwide. It took a long time to make the speed limit more realistic and in some areas they still haven't but people got used to speeding over the limit.
10:39 my favorite is when my car does 35mph past my house that’s on a 25 mph narrow bumpy street 😂
Hope they fix that. - also how are you submitting things to Tesla for review? I thought that button just saved video to the local usb. 17:46
He was an early original tester, so he has a special button to send feedback in directly. Normal customers can only submit feedback when disengaging.
Amazing. Can't wait to get the update
The lane logic is one of my most hated things about FSD. I can't wait for it to be ironed out to be natural!
I find myself still taking over all the time on highways, always having minimal lane changes enabled and manually using the stalks to engage a lane change. I'm still on ol' fashioned 12.5.4 HW3 (Even on "advanced" update settings I find myself to be one of the unlucky few to get software updates last) and the highway driving to me has always been no better than autosteer. I would straight up use autosteer instead if it weren't for the inferior visualizations, so I'm definitely excited for the new highway improvements.
I’m waiting for the speed control to be fixed before I subscribe to FSD. It’s to painful to go 22mph in a 40mph zone, I have to hit the accelerator for over a mile on my way home.
It is very interesting to see the evolution of FSD. So thank you for your good videos.
Though, I do see it do a lot of questionable decisions still, that makes me think it is still a long way out for being approved in Europe, or at least Germany. For example, at 8:32 it accelerated on a yellow light turning into Red. This would, theoretically, be a fine, if a cop sees you behave aggressive or they do a focus check on a dangerous road/street; although only 10 - 15€. Or at 8:57, it fails to adjust speed to a lower limit - At least here in Germany you have to be at the lower speed limit when you pass the sign, and not pass it and then at some point after reduce speed.
Also, the stop line at 2:56 is making a lot of sense to me - or at least from my European perspective - as there is a pavement that ends there leaving pedestrians no other choice than entering the roadway if they don't want to continue through the bushes.
I'm sure the fsd team is eagerly awaiting the release of the aidriver videos, probably watching them in a meeting room, but I can't prove it.😂
I drive Uber full-time, and I have a Model Y 2024 HWV4. I use FSD in almost every trip I do. When talking about speeding, it will maintain whatever speed it needs to keep battery levels stable. It's driving for efficiency not performance. At least in my experience.
Nonsense.
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No speeding tickets on FSD. LOL
My guess is that it’s the same neural network, but highway is nerfed by heuristics as they validate the system.
jeez i couldnt even see the speed bumps
Its obvious to me that the only thing that changed with the visualisations is that the car positions are interpolated where previously they weren't.
So its not actually doing any more processing, its just transitioning between the outdated position and the new one between each update. Guess it was a bug that prevented it from working. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing to do, but if im right, then it's not that technically impressive.
With 12.5.4 I’ve noticed that when it gets close to the destination (and maybe other cases) it takes turns early, like turns right or left one intersection before navigating in planning for. In all those cases navigating fixed the issue but it’s a new issue and it’s really weird…
ooh fsd content. love it 😊
You mf'ers are fast. It's been less than a minute and I am number 4. . . Scratch that. Number 5.
#1 in my heart ❤️
Thank you!
Indeed think the FSD is prioritizing the road speed limit than user defined limit
FSD just really needs to follow the posted speed limit it detects, with just a 5mph additional allowance if only to avoid a speeding ticket. also should always try to stick to the right or middle lanes and get to safely switch when clear into the exact lane it’s eventually going to make a turn to at least 3 miles in advance or more based on navigation data so it doesn’t have to engage in these unnecessary lane changes. lane changes just up the risk of bumping into another vehicle because of the unpredictable behavior of human drivers, where more often than not they speed up because they don’t want to give way. Sometimes with aggressive drivers, they would purposely smash into your vehicle and insist they have the right of way if you’re the one changing into their lane. So it’s really important that Tesla has to be able to make that lane change decision safely, properly and effectively way in advance and stick to that lane, changing only when it is urgently necessary.
The last 20% takes 80 % of the time in all software development. Maybe also in NN development.
But I think FSD passed that last 20 % a while ago, and we should probably only count time from the start of the end-to-end network development..
Actually, it's pretty hard to know how long time it will take before FSD is better than most drivers, but I guess it will be within a year.
When will FSD be able to visualize smoothly without the cars and environment shaking?
Great stuff, as usual :)
대단한 날이다....고속도로에서 코드가 다 사라진 날이니. 위대한 기업이다.
omg a bug caused the jittering ? hrhr ;)
While the cars in the visualization are way smoother, the path planner has gotten noticeably less smooth over the last couple of updates… wonder why?
becuase if the path planner is right it doesn't need to constantly update
The path planner is no longer connected to actual planning IIRC. The neural mets can't say what they are doing or going to do, so the old code is still used to approximate it
@@thomasreese2816I hear what you’re saying, but in many cases it seems to be in perfect synchronization.
To the planner itself, I think what it’s showing when it’s twitching are the options it’s considering in quick succession, and then it locks onto a decision and the path becomes calm.
I knew it was gonna be a big update when it took an hour to download....
21:35 fuck the angry people, it is an intervention. The car has to learn to do better, that's what classifies an intervention imo
Great vid..
That’s odd it drove me on highways in California before this release
8:00 that's an awful lot of traffic it was holding up in the left lane - it was camping in the left lane when it shouldn't have been.
It seems like they want FSD to do everything instead of the route planner helping out with things like speed. The route planner should know the speed from the get go without any signage.
16:10 even though the Y has more clearance it still isn't great for your suspension at all! The most expensive maintenance aspect of Tesla's
Should rendering on a HW3 car with a AMD Ryzen processor be the same as a HW4 car with a AMD Ryzen processor?
can you make a video in san francisco again and driving in daly city too?
Maybe MaxSpeed is defined by the speed other Teslas drove on this road - which of course means your all are speeding af.
All I know is this 12.5.6 was badly needed because 12.5.4 is unusable on the highway. The car hogs the left lane and will merge into the left lane right in front of speeding traffic doing 25mph faster than you. And it just camps the left, never moving back to the right after passing, literally the opposite of what you’re supposed to do. The worst part is when it goes dangerously slow in some situations, turning you into a moving chicane. Hopefully end to end fixes this and it’s trained on German drivers instead of morons here in the states.
3:20 this is just bad.... I don't know another way to put it.
Yeah, like what was the truck driver doing lol? Human drivers am I right?
@@lachlanB323 NO! The Tesla 100%....
Didn't catch the truck blinker and didn't slow down regardless of the van behind it that's the ONLY thing to reasonably do here.
Your fsd videos are superior to others.
Really need a pothole and sunken manhole cover update. Tired of nailing those at full speed...
You get it to stop changing into lanes that are ending soon?
10:10 - It entered ticket avoidance mode
DID YOU JUST SAY 10/10
ai drivr drop lets gooooooo
10:45 it goes left lane because of the next left turn and you're going to tell us it's because of the human. How could the car see this person thru the side cams? They are not designed for far far small objects...
Is this update also available for 2020 model Y?
Excited for your first Robotaxi video
Machine learning can only tell you why if you teach it to - which is a bad sign
Wrong lane selection at stop sign should be counted as a disengagement. You are still not strict enough. 😜
They achieved better rendering with the Ryzen 4070
Another word speed limit not fixed yet and looks worst than the previous update.
Tesla cant even read speed signs properly and they think robotaxi is here. 😂
best videos
No FSD here yet in Europe,it's ridiculous.
max limit is a bug, you are giving too much credit and assuming it has it’s own mind
Needs to turn off the blinker sound when on FSD.
Damn! I imagine what autopilots will look like in 4000 years, let alone 40 000 years🚀🛸🛸
Damn. Can't wait!
worlds ending by then
I think it's concerning and frankly criminal that Tesla (and other car manufacturers) allow their cars to autonomously drive beyond the speed limit
Indeed, typical Pittsburg behavior regarding the speed limit here. ruclips.net/video/lajDCnVG7vQ/видео.html
It would be nice if during rush hour and standstill traffic in the 2 leftmost lanes where motorcycles splitting lanes is legal, it would naturally bias out of the way of them to make things less awkward, I would be so happy.
they GEO block you on the VPN... very sad with you!
The U turns are so ass it's scary.
id sleep while the AI drove why not right :)
Why is it your pet peeve. Don't u think it's scary for an underpowered car to merge at a high speed onto the fwy? It's not like people are trying to be slow.
Ahhhhh 2nd
6th!🤣