Totally agree. It’s like a professor delivering a lecture - except he is doing it for the first (and probably only) time. (To ice the cake, he is driving capably.)
I missed that part I guess , all he did was whine and complain about trivialities and dote over his cat . never once brought up the driving experience , steering , handling , acceleration , cruise ...or even general comfort on that length of drive , seats , fatigue or lack of it ... NOTHING MUCH MORE THAN BLABBERING ABOUT A BROKEN PIECE OF PLASTIC ON A CHARGER
@@ericmiller254 Source? Oh thats right, your @ss! My friends with Teslas have better reliability than many other brands. Remember those dreaded Hyundai engines anyone? Honestly my friends with Model 3s put more miles on their cars than anyone else I know and have had zero issues requiring Tesla service. It matters because we live in an area 3+ hours away from any Tesla service location. Meanwhile I've had my Nissan in multiple times for recalls.
Compared to a Prius Tesla’s are sexy. Topics no one has discussed publicly is how communist China owns all the cobalt & lithium mines & uses child slave labor under horrible conditions to work these mines. Another topic is the disposal of millions of highly toxic EV batteries @ their end of life, these things are extremely toxic & complex.
I don’t like some of the people be like tesla is the best. I like your videos because you learn something. In general not a fan of electric ⚡️ cars but I think it’s fine as a short range car.
@@inthebeginning6895 Yes, it would, especially where we are, north states. For long trips, we aim to start out with a full charge and a warm cabin, and like he says, when you're using a continuous 5 to 10 KW to keep the car warm, drive as fast as is safe / legal, stop at every charger. For max efficiency on short winter trips do the opposite - turn the heater on just 5 or 10 minutes before you leave, charge at the end of the trip. You won't have much (or not any) regen braking, but you'll be warm, and you won't burn 10 KWh warming up the battery just for a trip to the store.
A. Love your videos. B. The counter argument is that an ICE vehicle would only need to stop to refuel ~5 times and only for a few minutes each time (roughly 7 hours less wait time over the 2K-mile trip). A much bigger deal when traveling with kids.
Until you live through a Canadian Winter, - 30, you lose 30-60% of the charge overnight when the car just stands in the parking. When you drive, your car loses 20%+ more due to cold, and another 10%+ on running all your heaters. Your overall range reduces by more than 50%, and you'll have to charge your car at least 2-3 times a week, s[ending as much as gas
@@jakekarll8294 You’ve obviously never been to Canada. We close everything down, road maintenance crew don’t even bother to clear the snow when it’s actively snow & could snow for 2 straight days. You wouldn’t understand. Not a single soul outside, if anything happens to you the police or ambulance ain’t coming.
I prefer stopping at any old gas station and filling up in 5-10 minutes and all i need to look at is the gas gauge. Also unlimited heat and A/C without worrying about mileage. Also pull through reliable gas pumps with roofs is nice. AND, i always have the option to carry a gas can.
This video sounded like a F1 pit-stop analysis "Going for the one-stop, I could drive more aggressively, even if I spend more time getting to the charging stations"
Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing! And then wondering if charging (instead of battery swaps) as a part of an Formula E race would be a fun strategic addition, or just boring to watch. Driver takes a 10 minute break to browse RUclips. Hops back in with 40% more charge.
@@EngineeringExplained Correct me if I'm wrong (haven't watched Formule E that much), but I believe charging is an important part of the races, as the drivers don't only race on who drives fastest and does the corners best, but they also have to take efficiency and consumption into consideration because they might have to charge at some point-or at least they won't be able to finish the race if they run out of battery.
yeah, only diff being they don't spend quarter of the driving time waiting to fuel it up... to that extent 10:30 and 19:44 don't match, is it 30 or 38?
Thanks. Winter is definitely the reason I buy my cars, even if it’s only ~4 months where it goes below freezing here - but the worst weather is the time it needs to shine.
@@EngineeringExplained loved it. Really interested in the “strategies” you discuss, speed vs charge time vs charge level... seems like there’s definitely something to that.
@@FuncleChuck For speed ride the fast charging wave (arrive empty, charge enough to get to the next very high speed charger, repeat) - TeslaBjorn has the detail if you want to look into this.
Exactly. This is why there are so many 4 whee drive vehicles in Michigan when only December-early April have snowfall that amounts to much. Also why I am looking for a car with AWD.
Obviously no kids. This video convinces me NEVER to buy an electric vehicle for any road trip. These vehicles are just not up to the task at this point.
EV’s being able to make up 25% of the transportation is very possible. I just can’t see how it can be 100% in the next 30 years. There are 300 million cars on the road in the U.S alone, 15 minute wait times at chargers is going to clog everything up real fast.
But electricity is looking to be cheaper then gas dude, It costs over 100 USD to fill up the tank of my van. The extra time spent charging is worth it especially considering that the first year of super charging is free for model 3's.
Yep. The 18s are lighter, ride better, and are far less prone to damage. Steering response tends to be a bit less 'sharp', but you will quickly adapt and forget it. You want sharp responses? Get some DOT-legal track tires. But of course you're not going to do that. We're not racing, we're going to work or the grocery store or whatever.
IMHO the better wheels for this car would be 16" or 17". There's a worldwide manufacturers trend to put the biggest wheels they can fit in the wheelarch. And the steering response improvement with lower profile tires is as true as the fact that real roads have potholes to kill those wheels. I guess it's all about the look, and I miss more practical options.
There is a black piece stuck in the supercharger plug, these come off of older charge port designs, possibly because of summer heat fatigue or because of mechanical fatigue. Seems to be happening less often these day but still something to be aware of. Something interesting is if your own charge port guide post has broken of in the same prong then you’d be able to plug into the cable you had trouble with in your video 😂
Great video as always very informative. The problem I have with electric cars is I don't fall into 70,000-100,000 price range. I spend $35000 on a car. And I get 30 to 32 miles to the gallon I've driven across country at least 8 times and never had to think so much in my life about driving! that's the crazy part. when you're traveling across country you're thinking about places you want to stop and visit, not where I can charge. if I wanted to get across the country in the straight line I would take a plane.
I got a brand new 2018 Nissan Leaf in 2019 when the 2020s came out for $24K ($10k off MSRP due to 2 year old new car still on lot) plus got a $7k federal tax rebate. So call it $17k for a brand new electric car. I would never drive it more than just around town or the next city over, and I think road tripping with anything but a Tesla for an EV is still a horrible experience. I'm with you, I'll fly on an airplane if I'm going across country. Or I'll just use my gas vehicle for regional trips. But for a family with 2 or more cars, one should always be EV in my opinion they are just more fun to drive and nearly free to operate when you drive them locally and charge at home! (full charge for me is $2.50 - $3)
Most people who purchase Teslas are top 20% income earners or they have youtube or social media business that they can write off 100% of the business investment. Most social media business own Telsa for the tax write offs.
@@AaronSchwarz42 Who cares? As much im against that early EV introduction and the e-waste of batteries and their recycling, if i could afford a Tesla i would, also if i hate this fake inventor and INVESTOR ONLY (from the super rich parents which probably abused a lot of people in their mines) Elon Musk.
The base Model 3 without savings or tax incentives is $45k. The long range all wheel drive is $51k. Not sure where your $70-100k idea came from but there are plenty of electric cars under $50k new and if you’re financing you should factor in your gas savings. I save about $250/mo on gas switching.
Love your video. To be clear, HEAT PUMPS also take electrical energy from your battery to run an electric motor inside the heat pump compressor which scavenges ambient heat from the environment and transfers it into the cabin...again using more electricity to run the ventillation blower. The more available heat in the outside ambient air the more BTUs for a given electrical consumption and viceversa. To your point, yes, resistance heat uses more energy...but in extreme conditions will blow nice and hot compared to heat pump cold-blow...unless there are supplemental resistance heaters in the duct for very cold outdoor conditions. I do not know if this is how TESLA heat pumps handle extreme cold. But yes, HPumps are great. For my 2018 Model 3 I fabricated a layered mylar insulated roof sunscreen for front and rear glass roofs , thus eliminating major heat loss through glass roofs. I Just use seat heater and am very warm. Just use sunscreens as a pattern to cut emergency mylar aluminized "space blanket" to fit between Tesla mesh sunscreens and glass roofs. Trapped air is the insulator. Reflective coating bounces your body's radiated heat back down to you.
I had that happen after I visited Israel. Came across some guy's motorcycle helmit-cam videos, and he went right by the place that I lived at for a while, like he didn't even know it was there. I thought, "that looks very familiar". Small world, huh?
How hot do these Telsa cars get when sitting in the sun during the summer with all that glass? I once had a car that got SIGNIFICANTLY hotter than any other car I ever owned from sitting in the sun.
@@tarstarkusz I think that you can turn on the air conditioner, from an app on your phone. As it is an electric car, there is no need for the car to be "running" in order to turn on the air conditioning.
Thank you for excellent fact filled description. My take away: You started with a full charge and made 11 recharge stops. I regularly make a similar trip in my 36mpg Honda. Regardless of outside temperature, I stop 5 times x 10 minutes.
you can not beat gas powered vehicles...plus the cost of the tesla versus the cost of the honda what would be the difference in cost..... you can buy a hell of a lot of gas for the difference in vehicle prices.....plus what is the cost of replacing the battery pack in the tesla. only a few places can work on a tesla, and i would assume you will get spanked harder at that repair shop versus the cost at a gas vehicle dealership...
@@LexanderStudio quick facts, the connector is designed to talk to the charger watch technology connections's video on it. He can explain it better than I can...
Great no nonsense review. Let’s not forget though that we don’t regularly go on long road trips. The average driver travels about 60 miles a day….to and from work, do some shopping, kids to ball or hockey practice etc. and your Tesla will handle all this with no issues. A fast charger in the garage or just use one where you shop or dine maybe once a week and you’re all set. For most of us a 2000 mile road trip might happen once a year on vacation but even then most of us usually head up to the cottage or camp somewhere well within the distance a Tesla is capable of. My buddy goes up to his cottage with his family every weekend…..2 and a half hour drive with no issues. Plugs her in and she’s ready for the trip home. This is all doable. And remember, new battery technology ….solid state comes to mind as one….is just on the horizon with promises of greater range and ten minute charge times and once the big auto companies start competing for your dollar, you can bet the EV will soon be the car of choice for most drivers.
This was a pretty level headed video for a Tesla fan. Though I have to say I have a friend with a Tesla we go on vacation with and their Tesla can be a pain. I don't have to plan ahead with my ICE car, they are always trying to route the trip around their need to find chargers and plugs. We all have so much on our plates and going from needing 1 stop and 8 minutes to give my car 500 miles of range to four 30 minutes stops is a pretty big inconvenience. Not to mention you don't even get to pick where you stop, you have to stop where there is a charger, it just takes a lot of freedom out of owning a car. And yes I know more chargers will be built and it will get better.
It’ll never get better Dude, think, more EV’s and more chargers won’t even even out, It’ll get worse..Imagine ALL cars as EV’s and just step back a little and that’s where you’ll be
@@dimebucker2 When you need to get home, what's wrong with that. Last summer I drove from VA to to CT in 7 hours. I stopped once a few minutes to pee. It's hilarious to me that EV fanbois are telling everyone how and how long they SHOULD be driving, because we're all doing it wrong apparently. Or maybe you're just finding reasons to excuse the inadequacies of EVs...
Worst thing about my EV is the mileage when using heat and that’s with a heat pump. I miss the gross inefficiency of ICE and the massive never ending heat stream for no reduction in mileage.
@@usefulrandom1855.. spoken like a true pathetic liberal.. I guess you don't give a S_ _ T of the absolute devastating effects on mining lithium.. the 1000 gallons of fresh water for every ton of lithium,, read on South America destruction in Peru, Argentina, Chile.. or that those psychotic communist Chinese own 75% of lithium mines... Because you know they care about labour and the environment.. typical,, you think you hug tree but don't give a S_ _ T how they mine cobalt, lithium copper..
This is by far the most accurate and informative video by MR. EE. He sticks to real data and real world situations to provide useful and accurate analysis of the electric car reality. Kudos on this video Mr. EE. Glad you showed you could make a video not filled with misinformation and errors. Beautiful kitty too. Wish all your videos were this well informed and accurate.
You took Bucket with you! Bucket is so adorable, cats (and dogs!) never complain about the radio station you are listening to, they are in the present and give you their vibes of warmth and love. They have such a calming effect for us as well. The perfect traveling companions. Thank you for posting about the road trip in the Tesla and showing Bucket!
Excellent Review! You answered a lot of questions I had about EVs. I live in a climate where we easily hit -31 - -40 farenheit regularly over the winter and you've given me a good idea what to expect during times like that. For now i'll stick to gas powered or a hybrid.
@@richiehart7858 if by “very solvable problem” you mean maintaining range in very low temperatures, myself and many other EV owners would greatly appreciate if you’d sell your solution to Tesla, GM, Ford so that we can all enjoy the improved range.
My husband and I just did our first road trip in January. We were further south so it wasn’t as cold, but still freezing temperatures and snow. We also stopped at superchargers more frequently than the car indicated. Mostly because neither of us were comfortable going down to 5% and we’re older now so have to stop more frequently anyway 😅😅. I think how frequently you stop really depends on your own risk tolerance. If you want to risk the low battery, go for it, but if you’re more cautious like us then stop more often. And the superchargers were never in bad locations. Most of them were located in the parking lot of Holiday Inn Express motels. Pretty easy to find, and they let you come in to use the bathroom. We were nervous because this was our first road trip but I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again.
Dude @ -50 its already hard to even start up a diesel, what are you talking about. I am pretry sure that ICE engines dont appreciate this Kind of engine cycles either. Normal cold Starts are already pretty stressfull for an engine. Everything below 20°C startup is a reason for premature death for pistons, their rings, cylinder walls and crank bearings
I drove my Tesla in -45 F with windchill -55 F in Minnesota 2 years ago. Wasn’t too bad, only used 390wh/mi. But the suspension did sound funny because it was so cold - but still drove just fine.
Just took a trip from MD To Tennessee in a model 3. I drove about 900 miles one way. I even had to drive through the artic blast that occured right before Christmas. Yes if you are in a hurry, it will bother you driving an EV. I would say it fairly added 1 and a half to two hours extra time. The range does decrease as it gets colder. When I was driving, it went from 51 degrees to 6 in about two hours. All in all, I made it with no issues and it handled very well in frozen precipitation.
It can't sit out overnight, it burns so much energy keeping the batteries warm, especially with the current weather there (not about 0F for days on end).
I'll point out that north of your American border we often experience temperatures lower than -40c. Great information and math, and definitely clarifies many questions about cold weather performance. I would love to see how this compares to use in actual "really cold temperatures."
@@fergyspoolshots ok you'll see them, brand new. I want to see one with regular use that is five, six years old, my guess is you'd have about a golf cart's level of range at that point. Not a realistic deal if you ask me.
@@davik9003 That is actually a logical fallacy, as heat kills batteries, which is the reason they have a pretty sophisticated cooling system. Cold actually extends their lifespan, as it slows down the chemistry and increases their lifespan. So, while cold weather reduces range, it also makes the battery last longer as a side effect. This is counter intuitive to people used to combustion engine Lead Acid batteries not lasting as long, but that is due to the load and strain put on those to start cold engines, while the capacity of the battery is already reduced.
You won't get the temperature you set to in any weather colder than -5C. Basically the car will prioritize range over comfort. You can set it to 25. It will never heat up near it. Maybe 18-20 after long time. If you put it at max heat, maybe it'll reach 23-24. It's never as toasty as gas car as they have almost unlimited engine residual heat
@@i6power30 It actually depends on the car. I have driven some very fuel efficient cars with 4 cylinder engines, and those also struggled to heat the car, as they really didn't produce enough heat. But, the advantage of engines only being 20% to 30% efficient instead of over 90% efficient like electric motors are, you have all this waste heat you can use when it is cold, but is obviously useless when it is hot outside...
@@fergyspoolshots I like how teslatards always think its about being stuck on the big oil plantation. No its about having the most capable vehicle. I have a truck because I use it. I prefer gas or diesel because I would rather not wait an hour while my vehicle charges. If I'm stopped for an hour, its because I choose to. I also prefer ICE since housing is stupidly expensive here and having a garage to charge the thing is an incredible luxury. Guess who owns teslas? All the rich foreigners who have never done any real work in their lives. They're all bug people who would never survive outside of a city
This is by far the best video I have ever seen explaining things you have to think about when owning an electric car. What I have learned is I never want to own one. Too much to think and worry about. No thanks. 😁
I had no idea that the range was so short. I'm not against them at all but the other concern I have is what happens if you get caught in a blizzard or blizzard back up due to an accident for a long period of time. I decided to go with the less mileage Hybrid so if the battery runs low, the gas engine comes on to charge it. Range is about 550 miles and doesn't take 40 minutes to fill the tank. That said, I know someone with a Tesla who loves it. Informative video.
Assuming they continue to build cars but don’t build any more chargers, you would be correct. Fortunately Tesla and the other EV makers continue to both a) build new chargers and b) increase charging speeds, both of which will reduce waits.
There have already been many instancces of people encountering long waiting times for an open spot at a charging station. I agree the situation is only going to get worse. This is why - given the current battery technology - that Plug-in Hybrid cars are a much better alternative to the 100% battery-powered eelectric cars, since their drivers can opt to quickly gas up at any convenient gas station, instead of waiting on long line for an open chrging spot at a charging station.
One issue to consider is being stuck in traffic in cold temperatures. Internal combustion cars can sit a idle and provide heat with little impact on range. But an electric vehicle has to burn power at a significant rate without moving. Here in New Jersey, I have often been stuck in completely stopped traffic for over three hours due to serious traffic accidents requiring things like helicopters to transport seriously injured people. The entire Garden State Parkway or New Jersey Turnpike can be closed for many hours in these circumstance. I also remember a freak ice storm where one of the Interstate Highways was closed for over a day. Passengers had to sit for over 8 hours before they could be evacuated from their stranded cars. The average sedan uses about 4/10 of a gallon of gasoline per hour at idle. The worst case is a passenger bus which uses about 1 gallon of diesel fuel per hour at idle. While the air conditioning compressor adds a load the heater does not on an internal combustion engine. In fact none of the electronics draw much of a load so you can sit in stopped traffic warm and cozy listening to your sound system or reading by interior lighting or recharging your phone or other electronic devices all you want. Also not the case in electric cars.
With a fully charged heatpump fitted tesla, you can heat the car enough to not freeze for around 40 hours. Heat loss from the car is a lot lower when the car isn't moving.
@@stale2665 most cars can do that I don't know why that's even an anti EV argument like yeah 40-45 is hours is about how long my jeep can idle on a full tank before running out so about the same, and I'd rather be sitting in traffic with a bunch of EVs not producing a ton of smog than idling vehicles building smog up
This is a great video. I experience this in New England winters! Had the same conundrum driving from NJ to Boston last night. Drive slow or send it and charge multiple times because temps were 8 and windy! One thing that probably adds to the 41% drop is luggage, skis etc. Weight makes a huge difference.
One point about the relatively high cost: Superchargers are generally quite a lot more expensive than the local electrical rate so if the vehicle is an around the town vehicle it does end up cheaper than the numbers quoted in the video.
Yeah, the high cost of charging at a SuperCharger is an artificial cost because people tended to abuse it otherwise (and once the Model 3 and Y came out, the multiplicative effect of a lot more owners made this a lot worse - they’re intended for road trips, not everyday charging). Also, the money typically goes into upgrading that capacity, among other re-investments into things that will benefit owners.
Total waiting time for charge up in the Tesla for the 2000 miles was ~8 hours. Total estimate time for refuelling a conventional car over 2000 miles would be less than 1 hour. In a vacation type scenario this should not be a problem, however if you are in a rush this could be pretty frustrating especially for those who do a lot of long distance driving for business/work.
Yeah I drive 1-2000 miles a week for work and a 40 minute stop every 200 miles sounds brutal. I don’t need to eat lunch every 3 hours on the road and the earlier I get done the earlier I get to go home. I’ll buy an electric car when flow batteries work and can be refueled all over the place.
@@JD-yx7be my car has a 10k mile oil change interval and I usually run a bit over that interval. I get an oil change about every two months. Mostly highway with full synthetic so it’s not that big of a deal.
I have the model S. It has longer range. I put 60,000 miles on my first model S driving for work. This was a little over two years of driving for me. The range allowed 4 hours of driving at 75 mph. It worked fine. I enjoyed the car, and my clients loved riding/driving it. Please do take one of his suggestions to heart. It takes forever to put energy into an ice cold battery. I made the mistake of having breakfast while attempting to charge once in zero degree weather in Ohio. The first 30 minutes I added only a few miles of range. It’s much better to drive for a least an hour, then charge. Charge the night before.
For people who use a car mostly for long trips, a Tesla would be significantly less than ideal. However, most people take road trips only occasionally and, when not taking trips, they charge at home. All that is required to charge a Tesla at home is a 240 volt 50 amp outlet for level two charging. That will fully charge a car overnight. Usually when I arrive at home I plug my Tesla model 3 in. The charging is programmed to charge only at off-peak hours when electricity cost less. Where I live in California it is 33 cents per KWH off peak and 52 cents per KWH (4 pm to 9 pm) on peak during summer on weekdays but less on weekends.
When I drive my ICE vehicle in weather like that shown on your camera, I always travel with a full tank of gas just in case there is a stoppage and I need to sit there with the engine running and heater on. Traveling with less than a full charge seems a tad risky because you never know in that weather.
@@harsimranbansal5355 I belive he's saying that the extra charging stops are a good idea because it's the electric vehicle version of traveling with a full tank of gas. He's not claiming the Tesla isn't capable. I AM curious how well the Tesla does in cold weather when it is 6yrs old and the cells in the battery have some miles on them.
@@mrdumbfellow927 It would still be better to just drive to each charging station instead. Also theres a company called “tesloop” and you can watch their videos on RUclips about how their cars fare. They put like 700k and even 800k miles on the Tesla and some are running with their original battery pack and motor. Plus these were the initial 2013 or 2014 model S’s. The model 3’s should last much much longer and fare much better!
@@harsimranbansal5355 that's BS, all these influencers are here to deceive you in the name of the companies they were hired by, it drains in a day at those temperatures
@@THESLlCK Does yours drain in a day? No of course not ... you don't have a Tesla yet you seem to know more about them than people who do. I'm not an influencer. I have a Tesla. It doesn't drain in a day at any temperature! Now... who's paying YOU to dis EVs?
150kW is scary levels of power, but I very much doubt the contactors to deliver it close under any circumstances without a handshake to the car. You can hear the contactors in the battery pack on the car closing to accept it after about 30 seconds when you set the SuperCharger on the car, surely the actual DC cords have similar protection.
The capacitors inside a camera actually give you quite a belt. It might have been because I wasn't expecting it, but my impression was that it hurt more than when I stuck a screwdriver into a 230V ac light fitting. Not willing to repeat either in the interest of science!
My question is does the navigation system know the exterior temperature so it gives you a proper battery range when you reach your next supercharger. If it does not take temperature into account i would be worried it may want to bring you to a supercharger you can get to during the summer but might not make it to during very cold weather.
Yes, it takes into consideration temperature as well as elevation changes between stops. The predictions were usually close, but wind is difficult to predict. If you get a headwind that can turn things around quickly.
@@EngineeringExplained Was the AC the main additional power drain in the summer? Maybe a better comparison would have been winter vs. spring or fall when AC isn't used much (assuming you used AC in the summer trip. I'm watching that video next).
The onscreen "Energy" app has a Trip tab, which shows Projected and Actual(live/real) range curve to arrival (ideally, next Supercharger.) It seems to be very accurate, but worst-case (eg you hit unexpected headwinds, speeding, rain/snow on road etc), the Actual curve will show the diverging higher usage and lower SoC at arrival, so you can take into account. The car will also alert you at some point "Slow down to make destination", but, that's kind of late, best to peek occasionally at the curve if you are worried. Ideally, don't plan to arrive with minimal charge so you don't worry. Other apps eg ABetterRoutePlanner can also take weather into account as a second opinion/check during planning (free version input weather manually, but premium version has live weather/traffic/Supercharger availability)
Regarding heat pumps on some Teslas. Heat pumps quit working efficiently as they used to when the outside temperature reaches about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, and you can say that anything below the range of 25 to 30 degrees is a temperature a heat pump is not effective. Therefore, you can count on a conventional heat pump as a solution for your HVAC requirements as long as the temperature range is above 25 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit.
I live in rural Canada and it is minus 36 Celsius (minus 33 Fahrenheit) as I watch the above video so the temperatures described in the vid are a bit mild. Also, the road trip was through populated areas with relatively clear roads. In that scenario Tesla performed perfectly adequately, and I find myself pleasantly surprised. But responsible winter driving focuses on safety, not on trivial inconveniences like reduced temperatures or excess minutes spent at a charging station. Fundamentally, winter driving comes down to the risk of being stranded with your vehicle and having to wait a seriously long time for help to arrive. With an ICE vehicle that risk is mitigated by frequently filling up with fuel so that the tank is always at or near full capacity. That surplus fuel used sparingly could keep a stranded driver and passengers warm for days if necessary. If EV drivers routinely run their batteries from 20% to 75% capacity to minimize charging times, then a rural white-out or a mishap on black ice could end in tragedy. EV drivers can learn to better manage that risk, but ICE vehicles will be safer in rural areas in the north. But what about winter conditions that result in black-outs? Ice storms are not infrequent and routinely leave millions without power for a short time, and leave EV vehicles instantly without a charging source. That's not just a risk for EV's caught out looking for a charging station. That's a risk for EV owners at home who need their vehicle for emergency use such as evacuation. There's a significant niche for EV's now but they can be problematic, even dangerous for use in certain winter and other emergency conditions. I would be interested in seeing and evaluation of EV's in that context.
what are you blithering about ? I'm in Canada too . who in their right mind buys a tesla sports car to drive in the WINTER here ??? or any sports car ? you've been eating that yellow snow ! stop it ! your arguments are not observations , just goofy postulating and melodramatic fretting . you must be out east with your "ice storms" which you surmise will leave you stranded when having to go drive in the middle of it (are you off your rocker ) , for all those that keep their EV discharged waiting for it to happen , I guess . then " emergency use such as evacuation." ??? In 70 years out here on the prairie we've never needed to evacuate , how bout you ? just making garbage up ! if you "evacuate lots you'd better get a nice gas powered HELICOPTER !!! "then a rural white-out or a mishap on black ice could end in tragedy" what are you blithering about ? how does that not happen with ANY vehicle ? stop your bs
@@bobsaturday4273 Teslas are now sports cars? You can drive most Porsches and Audis without any issues in winter as many do here (north, not Americas). Needless to say, Teslas are deeply discounted. Fun toys, totally impractical.
I’m trying to understand your concern. My Model 3 LR is all wheel drive (they all are) and performs remarkably well in ice and snow conditions. As for blackouts (which I have experienced), it’s much less of a problem than with an ICE car. In my case, the Model 3 is plugged in and “topped up” when the blackout happens. Now in a blackout I can’t get additional electricity but you can’t pump gas either. What are the odds your ICE car has a full tank when a blackout randomly occurs?
@@johncahill3644 You need to pump gas way less frequently. The tank is so much bigger. Some places like Florida and 3rd world countries have generators for blackouts. In rural areas, you're also likely to have gas stored away in a canister for a chainsaw or other equipment.
Once this guy told me .. some years ago .. I can start my manual car in second gear. Since then I skipped his videos until I started preparing for a Tesla purchase.
Other power-sucking factors: In winter it's darker so headlights are used more often. May also need to use window defrost. Problems with comparing driving in opposite direction: typical direction of prevailing wind (with vs. against), altitude gain/loss (more downhill in one direction vs. more uphill in the other direction).
I had the same thoughts about the driving direction. Jason didn't say whether this was a circular loop, meaning he ascended and descended the same amount regardless of direction, though grade may be a factor. As for the headlights, as they're LED, that would have very little affect on power usage. AC is a different story, I imagine.
@@jeffpicken5057 A/C is far less of a factor than heat, especially in this car which doesn't have a heat pump like the newer versions. A/C uses around 5% to 10% more energy, worst case scenario. I tested this on my Model S, I turned off the A/C and monitored the watts per mile gauge, and then turned it on and checked it. The difference was barely noticeable. A/C's on cars cycle on and off to maintain temperature. Keep in mind that a 10,000 BTU A/C uses around 1000W each hour. With electric cars having 60kWh up to 200kWh today. The A/C will worst case scenario use up 2 to 3 miles of range each hour.
In most cars, the windshield defroster also runs the A/C to dehumidify the cabin. I don't own a Tesla, so is there a windshield defroster blower that's employing the A/C and generating heat? (ICE cars using waste heat to accomplish this.) Or is the windshield heated with embedded wires like my e-Golf which also has a blower?
@@martingardens Tesla's also use the A/C to dehumidify the air if you are driving in the rain or snow and you need to remove humidity. In most cases, just blowing warm air on the windshield works fine without the dehumidify function, as the dew point of warm air is much lower than cold air, so the problem resolves itself. I lived over 20 years in a European country with cold humid winters, and none of the cars back then even had A/C units at all, so there was no dehumidify function on the cars. It still worked just fine.
17:50 For Europe sounds crazy cheap: 4000 kms for (the equivalent to) 150 EUR in "fuel" is hilariously cheap even for people who drive a modest 3 or 4 cylinders car.
Two years ago the national average gasoline price was closer to $2/gallon compared to the $2.50/gallon mentioned in the video. Just imagine with that figure what it would be!
And that's all without even taking into account the price of tolls for highways in many European countries. Far away highway travelling in Europe has become an expensive burning fuel and tolls exercise.
I drove my brand new 2022 Model 3 from Melbourne to Brisbane and back - ~4000 Km - and found that at every stop it took longer to use the toilet and get some food in than it did to charge to 90%. Had a great trip with no issues at all. The FSD that we have works on highways, and makes it so relaxing.
Now that gas is $4 a gallon, it makes even more sense to get a Tesla lol. I recently purchased a 2018 M3P from Carvana for $53K. I love it so much, and now bought a 2022 M3LR just to have extra mileage for road trips. Thanks for all this info!
Yeah no. Electricity in here is like +150% atm compared to last year. And yeah while gas is more expensive, it's only up by 30%. And this winter has been super cold. We've had like over 10 days of below -20c. And well, you can just see the complaints pour in. Think Hyundai has been the worst offender with range dropping by half. But Tesla fairs well, because they warm up their batteries during drive and maybe storage(haven't checked). So the range doesn't drop that much. But I frequently drive 150km and back without charging possibility anywhere during trip. So it's not going to work. During the summer it's fine though with the caveat that I can't charge at home.
@@uncledrew2430 All of my cats are rescue cats. I've been from Florida to Arizona and back with two of them. Never an issue! Just rescue a kitteh, please! :)
Great content please never stop making videos. Electric cars and ice cars have their own unique things that need to be taken care of... Truly I love the fact that the gas station is at my house...so handy. No more checking gas prices...
Getting better every year. Imagine doing cross county in 2013 compared to today. Now think about how much better it would be in the next few years when 250kw chargers are common
I was using 250kW super chargers every time. There is no getting around having to wait if you are on a long trip, I even cut the charging time short so I could get going. I started with a 54 mile surplus for my anticipated 175 mile leg and ended with 15 miles to spare. There is such a thing as range anxiety and when it’s night time and you just want to get home, the last thing you want to do is go to another supercharger for the 4th time in a day.
If you look at it from a perspective of one stop every 200 miles, then it doesn’t sound that much. That’s 3 hours of driving between stops, at which point it’s nice to have a walk and go to the toilet.
@@harbl2479 Would definitely not stop every 200 miles with a regular car, heck Ive driven to Rovaniemi 4 times from Helsinki (820km), one without any stops, once with a piss stop by the road and twice where we went to eat. I consider it a waste of time if I constantly have to stop. Electric cars for me are something you drive in the city or close proximity. Wouldnt do roadtrip with one.
@@Sinr0ne first of all you're more than likely a spoiled out of touch traveler who is held captive to recency bias who doesn't take into account the fact that if you made the trip a hundred years ago it would take you three times longer that's what makes you spoiled and you don't seem to realize that you're convenience of the gas vehicle is putting soot up your nose and your lungs and your mouth and everywhere else in the environment but again typically you don't care about that so what different does it make your health versus convenience sorry for the tough talk but people like you need wake up calls but most times you never wake up it seems but that's on you.
@@sz8938 seems like you must think you're a talking to a mirror because people in the position of dominance and intelligence don't have to accept anything and you are common as shown that your brain and needs to be recharged I think on the supercharger because it has nothing to offer to anybody except your opinion which is like noses everyone's got one! So you have anything of value to contribute to the discussion after that brain is recharged you can recommend but you better recharge that brain. And recognize your condition of not recognizing the advances that have been made in this technology but for a spoiled person they wouldn't recognize that at all go ahead and recharge it'll take a couple years probably to get you to 50%, hahaha
Thank you I’m about ready to pull the trigger on a new model Y and I’ve been concerned about winter road trips. I watched the Ohio Tesla guy go through blizzard and he had a miserable low efficiency trip. I think he had a lot of things going on and it really discouraged me.this video has helped me and I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
THANK YOU! This was such an informative video. I’m thinking about getting a Model Y but was getting concerned about the efficiency in winter after reading comments online. The comparison of summer vs winter, mpg equivalencies, and strategies for charging were super helpful. I also appreciate data from driving at highway speeds. I feel much better about moving forward now.
Don't forget that you are not supposed to charge your EV to 100% every time so if your model Y distance is 325 miles on paper, it's only 260 miles with 80%. Then take off another 10% if you left your car outside in the cold. So you looking in around 240 miles before you started your trip. I live in 🇨🇦 and that's my biggest concern too.
I've made road trips with cats and never had one vomit. They enjoyed the constant vibration and slept. I am sure heated seats would be even more realxing for a cat.
Tons of good info. One thing missing is that I like to know how the weight (amount of cargo weights or number of passengers) would affect the range of the battery. Also, FYI: if the same road trip with the same weather conditions being discused in this video is done with my 2017 Madza3 Hatchback, the cost for gas is almost identical to the charging cost of Tesla. In fact, I have done trips like this more than 20 times. My Mazda3's odometer is now at 172 800 Miles. :)
Have you done it at the current $4-5 per gallon of gas? I've already saved hundreds of dollars charging at home at like $0.03 per kW (or roughly $2 to completely recharge) versus filling up the old gas tank for $40 for equivalent range. (old gas car got more range, so I accounted for using less gallons to equate cost of same range). Even considering supercharging, which I've rarely used, it was significantly cheaper. $20 got me a full recharge at a fairly expensive location, where gas was about $4.50 per gallon, or about $40 for the same 260-270 miles of range (in a 30MPG car, about 9 gallons). So with this constantly fluctuating (and expensive) gas prices, electricity remains pretty stable and significantly cheaper. When everyone is complaining of gas prices, EV drivers will not be thinking about it for even a second.
Actually I'm from Canada. The gas price here is more expensive than in US. Of the 20 trips that I did, 2 were in 2020, 5 in 2021, 6 on 2021, and 7 in 2022. On average, converting from $/g $ to $/g, it's roughly $4.8/gallon. My mazda 3 cost $20 500 US. How much your EV vehicle cost initially? How much time have you waste for the car be charged if you travel long distance? And how much time you spent pre-planning your trip to look for locations of the charging stations? Listen, I drive 3x times more than average drivers, and I love to have an EV vehicle. But saving gas is not everything, it's also about convenience, practicality. I go to the mountains where charging stations are no where to be found, and then, some chargers were not working. Also, if you live or go to a relatively warm/cool areas where charging stations are abandons like gas stations, then it's not so bad. Or in a perfect world, drive the Ev vehicles only in the city, and charge it at night at your place garage, it's great. But if you live in places like Montana or Alaska, Canada where the weather can drop to -40F, I like to see how well the EV vehicles perform. I guess my point is: it all depends on how much money you have, places you live, places you go. I would get an EV car or SUV AWD immediately, if the vehicle has a range of 600 miles per charge, and the inital cost is same price as a regular car with a average MSRP of $25000 or an SUV of $35000. All being said, I love to have a plug-in hybrids instead.
If you actually LIVE in a cold climate, and use your car to commute, you have to go through the whole initial power burn of conditioning the battery and warming up the interior at least twice a day. So yes you can do it, but everyday usage is nowhere as efficient as a road trip.
Preheating of gas car consumes much more energy vs. battery. In your daily commute, gas efficiency drops significantly. EVs are more efficient in local driving.
You forgot to consider the lifetime of the battery. You took 6 more charging stops and did fully charge it 9 times instead of 8 times in summer. Also, this is a one continuous roadtrip so the battery discharge over night is not that big in comparison to driving the car daily when the car sits outside all day and discharges. Just a thought... :D Please don´t take it as a hate comment. I love these videos. Thanks for sharing your data :)
8 hours charging on a 2500 mile trip is not bad. Filling up an ICE vehicle on the same trip would be around 45 -60 minutes, but since no one is going to drive 2500 miles non stop most of the charging could be done at your sleep over stops and since you will eat and go to the restrooms, that is also enough charging time to the next stop. As I understood it, most of the time a 20 min stop is all it takes to charge enough till the next stop and that is about 5 hours of driving away by which time I would normally have stopped in any case, with any vehicle.
That is a great point, which many people overlook. I have driven with my wife and kids, my dogs, and people stop for food, restrooms and take breaks. Also, no matter what car I drive, I typically never drive more than 300 miles in a single day on a road trip. And many hotels now have destination chargers where the car charges while you sleep. In those cases, the lost of time is basically zero. Which again explains why most rest areas are full of combustion engine cars. Because apparently driving 500 miles non stop really isn't that attractive of an option for 99% of people...
Car and Driver had teams last year drive electric cars from Chicago to DC. Some cars had major issues finding charging stations and ran into lines and broken chargers. Some of the teams took days longer than some of the others. The teslas won, but everyone said they wouldn't want to travel this way, that they would take a gasoline powered vehicle for travel over any of the electric cars.
Wait till you are in a situation where you are caught in traffic and a person is forced to “idle” for many hours in a road block or have to divert when planning on having five percent battery left at next charging point . This has happened to me a number of times in my travels in the winter .
Happened to me in Pennsylvania when two semi's crashed and the interstate was closed. No way around. Everyone had to go to a small town where every square inch of curb had someone parked on it. And if that town doesn't have a charger and you're at 5% as you say, you're gonna need a jump.
Great update. I'm going to wait another 5 years before even looking at moving to EV. By then, I'm hoping that the charging infrastructure, and battery technology has matured to the point where moving away from gas powered vehicles is almost seamless. For us there are still too many compromises/inconveniences, at this point, with EV.
This is a reasonable position, though I think the compromises are going to go away a little faster than you think. The stuff that's coming down the pipeline over the next year is really good, Electrify America is already planning an additional 1800 stations and 10000 Chargers by the end of 2025 and Tesla has been tossing around the idea of opening up the supercharger Network to other vehicles which meet its standards[ they would be foolish not to since it's an opportunity to become the Exxon of charging which is going to vanish very rapidly] and mind you these are just two of the major players, chargepoint, evgo, and several others are also beginning to expand rapidly
"The day that I can sit in my garage and say go here and I don't have to touch anything and I'm not liable for anything, I am all for that" That day will never come. You are the driver, you are ultimately responsible. You may not be the helmsman, but you are still the captain.
@@wkiernan exactly - and if the car/computer is driving (and logs show you weren't having any inputs), then liability wise it should be treated the same as a taxi cab - although Tesla probably won't want the liability either.... which is something that needs to be sorted out at some point. But the principle is the same, so it's definitely something that can be resolved, one way or another.
Here's the FACTS: We just did a 5k Road trip from Austin to Bismarck, then Wisconsin,etc... I drove my brand new 2023 Y Long Range, and my brother brought his 2023 Toyota Sienna Hybrid, and he beats us in every way - I charged MULTIPLE TIMES & the SUPERCHARGERS were so EXPENSIVE, then he just STOP half of what i did, and he spent less 30% than me, after we calcluate everything. To make rhe long story siort, his family had way better experience than mine,as they don't need to keep on stopping to charge, and their captain chair is so nice! Only super fanboys/fangirls will say that Tesla is good for Road Trips, as in the reality is, ALL NEW MINIVANS still the KING when it comes to ROAD TRIP, period. (TESLA is only good for short trips) Have an amazing day to y'all!
I love this guy. That being said, absent any fundamental change in the driving realities of EVs, I will not be purchasing an EV anytime soon. Far too expensive, given the hassle of range anxiety and I do NOT stop when I do road trips. I've gone 500 miles without stopping, many times, then 20 minutes to gas up and use the facilities, and back on the road. The places I go to are not near any major airports so driving is far more efficient, but not if it'll take "days" to make the 15- hour trip. And, before everyone starts with the "you're unique" comments, I am trying to bring up the fact that most people will only adopt new technology as long as it's "better" than the current tech. More hassle is the exact opposite of better.
thanks for these videos, I'm shopping for a new car and will definitely pass on EVs for now...I live in one of the coldest states and the range loss + lack of reliable charging infrastructure outside of the major cities = high chance of being stranded, no thanks
When I was in my twenties, I had fun seeing how far I could drive without stopping*. 30 years later, I really appreciate the stops at superchargers- to stretch my legs, get a coffee, go shopping, stay fresh. *Get the right mix of drinks and salty snacks, and you can do a whole 8 hours/whole tank of gas in one sitting, Chicago to Rochester!
@@stighaaland5357 Given how short American vacation time is, I have to disagree. We get two weeks a year and if I have to drive, I want to get it done. Of course I usually fly but depends on the type of holiday. I think the longest non-stop drive I did was on my FZR600 motorbike (approximately 1000 miles, Phoenix to Santa Rosa, CA via Zion National Park. As for stopping, I don't find gas stations to be particularly attractive, so I don't tend to hang around longer than I have to.
One observation, in a lot of these road trip videos, I don’t think I’ve seen a single charging station with a canopy to protect the driver from the elements when plugging in.
What's more impressive is how he narrates a long video with precise numbers entirely from memory and what looks like in one or a few takes
Why can’t he just write it down?
That might be the 'Heads Up Display Teleprompter'. 😄
Totally agree. It’s like a professor delivering a lecture - except he is doing it for the first (and probably only) time. (To ice the cake, he is driving capably.)
Wow I didn’t even think about that
@@roboluigi - that would be a blog, welcome to the nineteen two thousands.
I absolutely love the way he makes the argument for and against the Tesla. Honest, straightforward, and clear
They are literally the least reliable major car maker in existence, do not buy them
End of my ted talk
I missed that part I guess , all he did was whine and complain about trivialities and dote over his cat .
never once brought up the driving experience , steering , handling , acceleration , cruise ...or even general comfort on that length of drive , seats , fatigue or lack of it ... NOTHING MUCH MORE THAN BLABBERING ABOUT A BROKEN PIECE OF PLASTIC ON A CHARGER
@@ericmiller254 Source? Oh thats right, your @ss! My friends with Teslas have better reliability than many other brands. Remember those dreaded Hyundai engines anyone? Honestly my friends with Model 3s put more miles on their cars than anyone else I know and have had zero issues requiring Tesla service. It matters because we live in an area 3+ hours away from any Tesla service location. Meanwhile I've had my Nissan in multiple times for recalls.
@@jermwerty Source is reliability surveys. Not "my friends said", which is anecdotal and useless.
Compared to a Prius Tesla’s are sexy. Topics no one has discussed publicly is how communist China owns all the cobalt & lithium mines & uses child slave labor under horrible conditions to work these mines. Another topic is the disposal of millions of highly toxic EV batteries @ their end of life, these things are extremely toxic & complex.
I really like the fact that, in your reviews, you touch on just about every question I would have about whatever you’re covering. 👍
Happy to hear it! Thanks for watching!
I believe that is the objective of being an excellent teacher, which he is
@@SteelBelted b
Did not hear him say anything about the AC in the summer time.
Did not hear him say anything about the AC in the summer time
This guy deserves a lot of praise for his huge knowledge and methodic attention to detail.
An engineer's approach for sure! There is always quality content and the prep shows.
I think 3.6M subs is enough. 😉
Thanks mom!
Videos like this are why I’m subscribed. So much information and you consider a lot of the variables. Must be the engineer in you.
Thanks for watching Brad, appreciate the kind words!
I don’t like some of the people be like tesla is the best. I like your videos because you learn something. In general not a fan of electric ⚡️ cars but I think it’s fine as a short range car.
@@EngineeringExplained I wonder if it’d be even worse if you lived in a bad winter states like the northern states
@@inthebeginning6895 Yes, it would, especially where we are, north states. For long trips, we aim to start out with a full charge and a warm cabin, and like he says, when you're using a continuous 5 to 10 KW to keep the car warm, drive as fast as is safe / legal, stop at every charger. For max efficiency on short winter trips do the opposite - turn the heater on just 5 or 10 minutes before you leave, charge at the end of the trip. You won't have much (or not any) regen braking, but you'll be warm, and you won't burn 10 KWh warming up the battery just for a trip to the store.
@@RandyTWester Question for you, Randy- Do you think heat from the battery pack works it's way into the cabin in winter?
Props to the cameraman for hanging out on the dash to get the best driving shot.
Heh this comment made me laugh more than it should’ve
Potentially it was a smaller person
@@ButteryBao same 😂
It was really his cat who he trained how to hold a camera still and get him in frame lol
A. Love your videos. B. The counter argument is that an ICE vehicle would only need to stop to refuel ~5 times and only for a few minutes each time (roughly 7 hours less wait time over the 2K-mile trip). A much bigger deal when traveling with kids.
Until you live through a Canadian Winter, - 30, you lose 30-60% of the charge overnight when the car just stands in the parking. When you drive, your car loses 20%+ more due to cold, and another 10%+ on running all your heaters. Your overall range reduces by more than 50%, and you'll have to charge your car at least 2-3 times a week, s[ending as much as gas
@@tomasgogashvily5350this is obviously not true🤣 not even close to reality
i can make easy 1000 km on my audi a4 so it will be 2 refueling
@@jakekarll8294 are you high? did you not see 4:00 of the video? 40%
@@jakekarll8294
You’ve obviously never been to Canada.
We close everything down, road maintenance crew don’t even bother to clear the snow when it’s actively snow & could snow for 2 straight days.
You wouldn’t understand.
Not a single soul outside, if anything happens to you the police or ambulance ain’t coming.
I prefer stopping at any old gas station and filling up in 5-10 minutes and all i need to look at is the gas gauge. Also unlimited heat and A/C without worrying about mileage. Also pull through reliable gas pumps with roofs is nice. AND, i always have the option to carry a gas can.
Title should been: I drove 2500 miles with my cat. In the winter with a Tesla.
This. Viewership numbers could easily have been 5X greater with cat in the title.
@@Cheeseybacun - 5x’s?? I don’t think so - wrong kinda cat ...
perhaps he was feline lonely...
No, no. It should be: "Shocking! RUclipsr survives 2,500 miles in a Tesla with a Cat!"
"Shocking results! Cat survived Tesla hack electrocution, owner drives 2500 miles to save it!!!"
This video sounded like a F1 pit-stop analysis
"Going for the one-stop, I could drive more aggressively, even if I spend more time getting to the charging stations"
Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing! And then wondering if charging (instead of battery swaps) as a part of an Formula E race would be a fun strategic addition, or just boring to watch. Driver takes a 10 minute break to browse RUclips. Hops back in with 40% more charge.
@@EngineeringExplained - adding a “charging pit stop” might promote development of efficient, safe and rapid charging technologies/batteries.
That was, hands down, the best and most informative segment on an all round very good video.
@@EngineeringExplained Correct me if I'm wrong (haven't watched Formule E that much), but I believe charging is an important part of the races, as the drivers don't only race on who drives fastest and does the corners best, but they also have to take efficiency and consumption into consideration because they might have to charge at some point-or at least they won't be able to finish the race if they run out of battery.
yeah, only diff being they don't spend quarter of the driving time waiting to fuel it up...
to that extent 10:30 and 19:44 don't match, is it 30 or 38?
Thanks. Winter is definitely the reason I buy my cars, even if it’s only ~4 months where it goes below freezing here - but the worst weather is the time it needs to shine.
I think you'll enjoy this one! Lots of interesting data/information!
@@EngineeringExplained loved it. Really interested in the “strategies” you discuss, speed vs charge time vs charge level... seems like there’s definitely something to that.
@@FuncleChuck For speed ride the fast charging wave (arrive empty, charge enough to get to the next very high speed charger, repeat) - TeslaBjorn has the detail if you want to look into this.
Exactly. This is why there are so many 4 whee drive vehicles in Michigan when only December-early April have snowfall that amounts to much. Also why I am looking for a car with AWD.
As resident of Minnesota I totally agree.
15:41 jason keeping notes like a good engineer/scientist should 😆
Obviously no kids. This video convinces me NEVER to buy an electric vehicle for any road trip. These vehicles are just not up to the task at this point.
Eight hours total charging seems like a LOT of time sitting at a charger. That number was kind of a shock. That’s an extra day on the trip.
The future sucks.
@@Trialnerror Nah, EVs suck. And they are being shoved down our throats.
@@tinytownsoftware3837 This will be very short term...they'll never replace IC vehicles..
EV’s being able to make up 25% of the transportation is very possible. I just can’t see how it can be 100% in the next 30 years. There are 300 million cars on the road in the U.S alone, 15 minute wait times at chargers is going to clog everything up real fast.
But electricity is looking to be cheaper then gas dude, It costs over 100 USD to fill up the tank of my van. The extra time spent charging is worth it especially considering that the first year of super charging is free for model 3's.
These videos are exhausting. Life is complicated enough without 18 stops and 10 hours of waiting around.
Yes 😂😂😂
You know this was a 2,500 mile trip, right? How many stops do you normally make on a 2,500 mile trip? How many 2,500 mile trips do you make?
@@robr177still its not even nowhere close to 8 hours, even with the whole lunch and snack pauses
@@TheFryPo Why would you ever drive that far in the first place!? 😂 that's what airports are for. But if you absolutely had to it's possible.
To me, the 18” wheels look a lot better than the 20’s. They are also more practical ...
Yep. The 18s are lighter, ride better, and are far less prone to damage. Steering response tends to be a bit less 'sharp', but you will quickly adapt and forget it. You want sharp responses? Get some DOT-legal track tires. But of course you're not going to do that. We're not racing, we're going to work or the grocery store or whatever.
IMHO the better wheels for this car would be 16" or 17". There's a worldwide manufacturers trend to put the biggest wheels they can fit in the wheelarch. And the steering response improvement with lower profile tires is as true as the fact that real roads have potholes to kill those wheels. I guess it's all about the look, and I miss more practical options.
@@Robcomesana yup, and when you get a punctured tire you have to wait for a tow truck because there isn’t a spare tire
@@onelyone6976 nothing stopping you from adding and carrying one if you're worried about it. Most only have a mini now if they have one at all.
There is a black piece stuck in the supercharger plug, these come off of older charge port designs, possibly because of summer heat fatigue or because of mechanical fatigue. Seems to be happening less often these day but still something to be aware of. Something interesting is if your own charge port guide post has broken of in the same prong then you’d be able to plug into the cable you had trouble with in your video 😂
3:21 man, that scenery is beautiful. 🌲
Crazy too see the road I live on being in a video lol
@@justinf.7073 What?
Great video as always very informative. The problem I have with electric cars is I don't fall into 70,000-100,000 price range. I spend $35000 on a car. And I get 30 to 32 miles to the gallon I've driven across country at least 8 times and never had to think so much in my life about driving! that's the crazy part. when you're traveling across country you're thinking about places you want to stop and visit, not where I can charge. if I wanted to get across the country in the straight line I would take a plane.
I got a brand new 2018 Nissan Leaf in 2019 when the 2020s came out for $24K ($10k off MSRP due to 2 year old new car still on lot) plus got a $7k federal tax rebate. So call it $17k for a brand new electric car. I would never drive it more than just around town or the next city over, and I think road tripping with anything but a Tesla for an EV is still a horrible experience. I'm with you, I'll fly on an airplane if I'm going across country. Or I'll just use my gas vehicle for regional trips. But for a family with 2 or more cars, one should always be EV in my opinion they are just more fun to drive and nearly free to operate when you drive them locally and charge at home! (full charge for me is $2.50 - $3)
Most people who purchase Teslas are top 20% income earners or they have youtube or social media business that they can write off 100% of the business investment. Most social media business own Telsa for the tax write offs.
@@wanglee21 Especially this engineering nerd!
@@AaronSchwarz42 Who cares?
As much im against that early EV introduction and the e-waste of batteries and their recycling, if i could afford a Tesla i would, also if i hate this fake inventor and INVESTOR ONLY (from the super rich parents which probably abused a lot of people in their mines) Elon Musk.
The base Model 3 without savings or tax incentives is $45k. The long range all wheel drive is $51k. Not sure where your $70-100k idea came from but there are plenty of electric cars under $50k new and if you’re financing you should factor in your gas savings. I save about $250/mo on gas switching.
If you close your eyes Ross from friends is telling you about Tesla’s
🤣🤣🤣
can not un-hear/see this now.
All I could hear was Kermit the frog.
@@AaronBlake yup
Love your video. To be clear, HEAT PUMPS also take electrical energy from your battery to run an electric motor inside the heat pump compressor which scavenges ambient heat from the environment and transfers it into the cabin...again using more electricity to run the ventillation blower. The more available heat in the outside ambient air the more BTUs for a given electrical consumption and viceversa. To your point, yes, resistance heat uses more energy...but in extreme conditions will blow nice and hot compared to heat pump cold-blow...unless there are supplemental resistance heaters in the duct for very cold outdoor conditions. I do not know if this is how TESLA heat pumps handle extreme cold. But yes, HPumps are great.
For my 2018 Model 3 I fabricated a layered mylar insulated roof sunscreen for front and rear glass roofs , thus eliminating major heat loss through glass roofs. I Just use seat heater and am very warm.
Just use sunscreens as a pattern to cut emergency mylar aluminized "space blanket" to fit between Tesla mesh sunscreens and glass roofs. Trapped air is the insulator. Reflective coating bounces your body's radiated heat back down to you.
It really weirded me out when he straight up drove by my house and it was in plain sight😂 sorta threw me off haha
Guys they live in a supercharger
I had that happen after I visited Israel. Came across some guy's motorcycle helmit-cam videos, and he went right by the place that I lived at for a while, like he didn't even know it was there. I thought, "that looks very familiar". Small world, huh?
How hot do these Telsa cars get when sitting in the sun during the summer with all that glass? I once had a car that got SIGNIFICANTLY hotter than any other car I ever owned from sitting in the sun.
@@tarstarkusz
I think that you can turn on the air conditioner, from an app on your phone. As it is an electric car, there is no need for the car to be "running" in order to turn on the air conditioning.
@@tarstarkusz I have one (model 3) and it wasn't a problem in the summer. I think the glass has a coating on it that impacts the temperature.
Thank you for excellent fact filled description.
My take away: You started with a full charge and made 11 recharge stops.
I regularly make a similar trip in my 36mpg Honda. Regardless of outside temperature, I stop 5 times x 10 minutes.
But look how little traffic there is on the road. Do the same trip, in the winter from NYC to Chicago.
you can not beat gas powered vehicles...plus the cost of the tesla versus the cost of the honda what would be the difference in cost..... you can buy a hell of a lot of gas for the difference in vehicle prices.....plus what is the cost of replacing the battery pack in the tesla. only a few places can work on a tesla, and i would assume you will get spanked harder at that repair shop versus the cost at a gas vehicle dealership...
@@rpap5322 and what happens if you get stuck in a huge backup from a flipped 18 wheeler and your battery is about dead and no chargers in sight?
@@prule1335 it's going to use very little electricity just sitting there, and they have an off switch. Y'know, exactly like a regular car.......
Not if you have the heat on....
16:06 there’s a black plastic ring in the plug that came off of somebody’s charge port pins so it won’t seat properly when plugging in.
came here to say this. If you have a pair of pliers you can reach in there and pull it out and then it will work for you and the next person.
Yup, those are the old revision model 3 deadfront pins that they've now changed.
@@BenBrand : think i’ll pass on sticking pliers into a 480V outlet, thanks tho!
@@GHinWI The plug is not on power when it hasn't initiated proper connection with a car.
@@LexanderStudio quick facts, the connector is designed to talk to the charger watch technology connections's video on it. He can explain it better than I can...
Great no nonsense review. Let’s not forget though that we don’t regularly go on long road trips. The average driver travels about 60 miles a day….to and from work, do some shopping, kids to ball or hockey practice etc. and your Tesla will handle all this with no issues. A fast charger in the garage or just use one where you shop or dine maybe once a week and you’re all set. For most of us a 2000 mile road trip might happen once a year on vacation but even then most of us usually head up to the cottage or camp somewhere well within the distance a Tesla is capable of. My buddy goes up to his cottage with his family every weekend…..2 and a half hour drive with no issues. Plugs her in and she’s ready for the trip home. This is all doable. And remember, new battery technology ….solid state comes to mind as one….is just on the horizon with promises of greater range and ten minute charge times and once the big auto companies start competing for your dollar, you can bet the EV will soon be the car of choice for most drivers.
This was a pretty level headed video for a Tesla fan. Though I have to say I have a friend with a Tesla we go on vacation with and their Tesla can be a pain. I don't have to plan ahead with my ICE car, they are always trying to route the trip around their need to find chargers and plugs. We all have so much on our plates and going from needing 1 stop and 8 minutes to give my car 500 miles of range to four 30 minutes stops is a pretty big inconvenience. Not to mention you don't even get to pick where you stop, you have to stop where there is a charger, it just takes a lot of freedom out of owning a car. And yes I know more chargers will be built and it will get better.
You drive for 500 miles without stopping on your road trips?? ..and when you do stop its only for 8 minutes?
wow, sounds fun
@K B sounds awful wasting 30% of your day stopping every 90 minutes
It’ll never get better Dude, think, more EV’s and more chargers won’t even even out, It’ll get worse..Imagine ALL cars as EV’s and just step back a little and that’s where you’ll be
@@dimebucker2 When you need to get home, what's wrong with that. Last summer I drove from VA to to CT in 7 hours. I stopped once a few minutes to pee. It's hilarious to me that EV fanbois are telling everyone how and how long they SHOULD be driving, because we're all doing it wrong apparently. Or maybe you're just finding reasons to excuse the inadequacies of EVs...
@@malcomreynolds4103 “Every 90 minutes” when the range on a Tesla performance is now 315 miles. You’re delusional.
it's cute that "as low as -18" equates to a cold test for you. Signed, Canada.
Alaska concurs.
I think it should be -32 because he said 0 degrees F if I heard correctly. That's more like it. Signed Sweden 😁❄️☃️
Cute -18. Cold please do a real test the North like -30c these are real conditions -18 that’s when I put on a long sleeve shirt
@@mimmipiggast2243 That's not how °C/°F conversion works. 0°C = 32°F but 0°F ≈ -18°C. The formula is F = 1.8C + 32, or if you prefer, C = (F - 32)/1.8
@@Fred_P you are right. I mixed it up 😁 I lived in Houston for a year but we never had to deal w those temperatures. 😁 I usually just ask Alexa.
Awesome video, Jason! Thanks for providing content for free, that is better than what multi-million dollar TV companies can!
Too kind, really appreciate it!
Worst thing about my EV is the mileage when using heat and that’s with a heat pump. I miss the gross inefficiency of ICE and the massive never ending heat stream for no reduction in mileage.
You are still paying for it, it's just warming the atmosphere instead. Even in the summer.
@@usefulrandom1855 yes, I miss the gross inefficiency. But it’s also nice paying 1/3 or less per mile for fuel.
@@usefulrandom1855.. spoken like a true pathetic liberal.. I guess you don't give a S_ _ T of the absolute devastating effects on mining lithium.. the 1000 gallons of fresh water for every ton of lithium,, read on South America destruction in Peru, Argentina, Chile.. or that those psychotic communist Chinese own 75% of lithium mines... Because you know they care about labour and the environment.. typical,, you think you hug tree but don't give a S_ _ T how they mine cobalt, lithium copper..
This is by far the most accurate and informative video by MR. EE. He sticks to real data and real world situations to provide useful and accurate analysis of the electric car reality. Kudos on this video Mr. EE. Glad you showed you could make a video not filled with misinformation and errors. Beautiful kitty too. Wish all your videos were this well informed and accurate.
The question is: how many cats do you need to keep you warm with a thermostat set at zero?
Depends on the size of the cat. But heat energy from cat food costs more than heat energy from electricity.
@@RandyTWester alternatively, one could adopt the futuristic engine equipped with buttered cats.
1 mountain lion.
You took Bucket with you! Bucket is so adorable, cats (and dogs!) never complain about the radio station you are listening to, they are in the present and give you their vibes of warmth and love. They have such a calming effect for us as well. The perfect traveling companions. Thank you for posting about the road trip in the Tesla and showing Bucket!
Excellent Review! You answered a lot of questions I had about EVs. I live in a climate where we easily hit -31 - -40 farenheit regularly over the winter and you've given me a good idea what to expect during times like that. For now i'll stick to gas powered or a hybrid.
Me, too!
Tesla will have to up it's game on a very solvable problem if it wants more than a token share of the northern market for vehicles.
@@richiehart7858 if by “very solvable problem” you mean maintaining range in very low temperatures, myself and many other EV owners would greatly appreciate if you’d sell your solution to Tesla, GM, Ford so that we can all enjoy the improved range.
Ban EVs.
@@markmiller8903 That would be a good start! lol
I was only looking at the title and was like, how the hell there's a supercharger in a Tesla.
It's a dealer- installed option, including curb feelers and sport exhaust.
Rich rebuilds is putting a v8 in a tesla so there could be a supercharged tesla in the future
@@jamesengland7461 Curb feelers! Haven't seen those in many years!
It's the same technology as the Turbo in a Taycan ;-)
@@johnhunter7244 i watch him too,i hope he succeds
My husband and I just did our first road trip in January. We were further south so it wasn’t as cold, but still freezing temperatures and snow. We also stopped at superchargers more frequently than the car indicated. Mostly because neither of us were comfortable going down to 5% and we’re older now so have to stop more frequently anyway 😅😅. I think how frequently you stop really depends on your own risk tolerance. If you want to risk the low battery, go for it, but if you’re more cautious like us then stop more often. And the superchargers were never in bad locations. Most of them were located in the parking lot of Holiday Inn Express motels. Pretty easy to find, and they let you come in to use the bathroom. We were nervous because this was our first road trip but I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again.
There are a few Tesla's up here in Yukon Canada. -28°C right now. Go test a Tesla in Dawson city, Yukon and you could see if it will function at -50°!
Dude @ -50 its already hard to even start up a diesel, what are you talking about.
I am pretry sure that ICE engines dont appreciate this Kind of engine cycles either. Normal cold Starts are already pretty stressfull for an engine. Everything below 20°C startup is a reason for premature death for pistons, their rings, cylinder walls and crank bearings
The media center in my truck does not like working past -30 I can only imagine the large display in a tesla
I drove my Tesla in -45 F with windchill -55 F in Minnesota 2 years ago. Wasn’t too bad, only used 390wh/mi. But the suspension did sound funny because it was so cold - but still drove just fine.
EVs don’t start they turn on. Yes they work fine in any weather.NASA had an EV on the Moon in the early 1970s.
I can’t imagine -28 let alone -50! What?!
Just took a trip from MD To Tennessee in a model 3. I drove about 900 miles one way. I even had to drive through the artic blast that occured right before Christmas. Yes if you are in a hurry, it will bother you driving an EV. I would say it fairly added 1 and a half to two hours extra time. The range does decrease as it gets colder. When I was driving, it went from 51 degrees to 6 in about two hours. All in all, I made it with no issues and it handled very well in frozen precipitation.
That's one big thing my friends says with his tesla up in ND he says he get about half the mileage and doesn't let it sit out over night
It can't sit out overnight, it burns so much energy keeping the batteries warm, especially with the current weather there (not about 0F for days on end).
What happens when the batteries start to lose their capacity ?
@@TKUA11 you get even less range
@@christopherhaak9824 So "saving the planet" with a BEV requires that everyone in cold climates build a heated garage...no carbon footprint there 🤣
Jason: "Road trip!"
Cat: "Let's go!"
I love this kind of thing because as they say... One physical test is worth a thousand expert opinions.
Well done. Thanks.
I'll point out that north of your American border we often experience temperatures lower than -40c. Great information and math, and definitely clarifies many questions about cold weather performance. I would love to see how this compares to use in actual "really cold temperatures."
@@fergyspoolshots ok you'll see them, brand new. I want to see one with regular use that is five, six years old, my guess is you'd have about a golf cart's level of range at that point. Not a realistic deal if you ask me.
@@davik9003 That is actually a logical fallacy, as heat kills batteries, which is the reason they have a pretty sophisticated cooling system. Cold actually extends their lifespan, as it slows down the chemistry and increases their lifespan.
So, while cold weather reduces range, it also makes the battery last longer as a side effect. This is counter intuitive to people used to combustion engine Lead Acid batteries not lasting as long, but that is due to the load and strain put on those to start cold engines, while the capacity of the battery is already reduced.
You won't get the temperature you set to in any weather colder than -5C. Basically the car will prioritize range over comfort. You can set it to 25. It will never heat up near it. Maybe 18-20 after long time. If you put it at max heat, maybe it'll reach 23-24. It's never as toasty as gas car as they have almost unlimited engine residual heat
@@i6power30 It actually depends on the car. I have driven some very fuel efficient cars with 4 cylinder engines, and those also struggled to heat the car, as they really didn't produce enough heat. But, the advantage of engines only being 20% to 30% efficient instead of over 90% efficient like electric motors are, you have all this waste heat you can use when it is cold, but is obviously useless when it is hot outside...
@@fergyspoolshots I like how teslatards always think its about being stuck on the big oil plantation. No its about having the most capable vehicle. I have a truck because I use it. I prefer gas or diesel because I would rather not wait an hour while my vehicle charges. If I'm stopped for an hour, its because I choose to. I also prefer ICE since housing is stupidly expensive here and having a garage to charge the thing is an incredible luxury. Guess who owns teslas? All the rich foreigners who have never done any real work in their lives. They're all bug people who would never survive outside of a city
Because of the cat, I would have liked this video twice if possible 😂
I liked the video and your comment as an alternative.
@@ScathingMobile SAMESIES!
This is by far the best video I have ever seen explaining things you have to think about when owning an electric car. What I have learned is I never want to own one. Too much to think and worry about. No thanks. 😁
2:38 Dawwww! That's one cute kitty!
"Daw"? Boomer.
@@miniena7774 that's _Mr./Mrs._ Boomer to you !
I didn't come here to get a Tesla experience.
I came here because your cat is ADORABLE!!!!
I had no idea that the range was so short. I'm not against them at all but the other concern I have is what happens if you get caught in a blizzard or blizzard back up due to an accident for a long period of time. I decided to go with the less mileage Hybrid so if the battery runs low, the gas engine comes on to charge it. Range is about 550 miles and doesn't take 40 minutes to fill the tank. That said, I know someone with a Tesla who loves it. Informative video.
exactly my thinking
You drove 2500 miles with an open cat litter box right behind you? That's some dedication.
Eventually you will have to wait for the chargers. I think that problem is being hugely underestimated.
Assuming they continue to build cars but don’t build any more chargers, you would be correct.
Fortunately Tesla and the other EV makers continue to both a) build new chargers and b) increase charging speeds, both of which will reduce waits.
@@davidbingham4348 not at a fast enough rate lol
Wait? I've never even seen an electric car, much less a charging station!
There have already been many instancces of people encountering long waiting times for an open spot at a charging station. I agree the situation is only going to get worse. This is why - given the current battery technology - that Plug-in Hybrid cars are a much better alternative to the 100% battery-powered eelectric cars, since their drivers can opt to quickly gas up at any convenient gas station, instead of waiting on long line for an open chrging spot at a charging station.
8 hours of charging? That's probably much more than pumping gas in a Prius with a fairly small gas tank and a 600 mile range.
One issue to consider is being stuck in traffic in cold temperatures. Internal combustion cars can sit a idle and provide heat with little impact on range. But an electric vehicle has to burn power at a significant rate without moving. Here in New Jersey, I have often been stuck in completely stopped traffic for over three hours due to serious traffic accidents requiring things like helicopters to transport seriously injured people. The entire Garden State Parkway or New Jersey Turnpike can be closed for many hours in these circumstance. I also remember a freak ice storm where one of the Interstate Highways was closed for over a day. Passengers had to sit for over 8 hours before they could be evacuated from their stranded cars. The average sedan uses about 4/10 of a gallon of gasoline per hour at idle. The worst case is a passenger bus which uses about 1 gallon of diesel fuel per hour at idle. While the air conditioning compressor adds a load the heater does not on an internal combustion engine. In fact none of the electronics draw much of a load so you can sit in stopped traffic warm and cozy listening to your sound system or reading by interior lighting or recharging your phone or other electronic devices all you want. Also not the case in electric cars.
With a fully charged heatpump fitted tesla, you can heat the car enough to not freeze for around 40 hours.
Heat loss from the car is a lot lower when the car isn't moving.
@@stale2665 most cars can do that I don't know why that's even an anti EV argument like yeah 40-45 is hours is about how long my jeep can idle on a full tank before running out so about the same, and I'd rather be sitting in traffic with a bunch of EVs not producing a ton of smog than idling vehicles building smog up
This is a great video. I experience this in New England winters! Had the same conundrum driving from NJ to Boston last night. Drive slow or send it and charge multiple times because temps were 8 and windy! One thing that probably adds to the 41% drop is luggage, skis etc. Weight makes a huge difference.
One point about the relatively high cost: Superchargers are generally quite a lot more expensive than the local electrical rate so if the vehicle is an around the town vehicle it does end up cheaper than the numbers quoted in the video.
Yeah, the high cost of charging at a SuperCharger is an artificial cost because people tended to abuse it otherwise (and once the Model 3 and Y came out, the multiplicative effect of a lot more owners made this a lot worse - they’re intended for road trips, not everyday charging). Also, the money typically goes into upgrading that capacity, among other re-investments into things that will benefit owners.
babybirdhome people buy these and live in condos and have no where to charge them.
Total waiting time for charge up in the Tesla for the 2000 miles was ~8 hours. Total estimate time for refuelling a conventional car over 2000 miles would be less than 1 hour. In a vacation type scenario this should not be a problem, however if you are in a rush this could be pretty frustrating especially for those who do a lot of long distance driving for business/work.
Yeah I drive 1-2000 miles a week for work and a 40 minute stop every 200 miles sounds brutal.
I don’t need to eat lunch every 3 hours on the road and the earlier I get done the earlier I get to go home. I’ll buy an electric car when flow batteries work and can be refueled all over the place.
@@Thomas5937 then you would be an extreme edge case like less the 1% of car buyers. Most people drive 30-50 miles a day with the occasional road trip
@@Thomas5937 so do you get a oil change every 2-3 weeks?
@@JD-yx7be my car has a 10k mile oil change interval and I usually run a bit over that interval. I get an oil change about every two months. Mostly highway with full synthetic so it’s not that big of a deal.
I have the model S. It has longer range. I put 60,000 miles on my first model S driving for work. This was a little over two years of driving for me. The range allowed 4 hours of driving at 75 mph. It worked fine. I enjoyed the car, and my clients loved riding/driving it.
Please do take one of his suggestions to heart. It takes forever to put energy into an ice cold battery. I made the mistake of having breakfast while attempting to charge once in zero degree weather in Ohio. The first 30 minutes I added only a few miles of range. It’s much better to drive for a least an hour, then charge. Charge the night before.
For people who use a car mostly for long trips, a Tesla would be significantly less than ideal. However, most people take road trips only occasionally and, when not taking trips, they charge at home. All that is required to charge a Tesla at home is a 240 volt 50 amp outlet for level two charging. That will fully charge a car overnight.
Usually when I arrive at home I plug my Tesla model 3 in. The charging is programmed to charge only at off-peak hours when electricity cost less. Where I live in California it is 33 cents per KWH off peak and 52 cents per KWH (4 pm to 9 pm) on peak during summer on weekdays but less on weekends.
When I drive my ICE vehicle in weather like that shown on your camera, I always travel with a full tank of gas just in case there is a stoppage and I need to sit there with the engine running and heater on. Traveling with less than a full charge seems a tad risky because you never know in that weather.
Bjorn Nyland on RUclips did a test to see how long the battery would take to drain, it took over 3 days in a Tesla. I think he’ll be fine!
@@harsimranbansal5355 I belive he's saying that the extra charging stops are a good idea because it's the electric vehicle version of traveling with a full tank of gas. He's not claiming the Tesla isn't capable.
I AM curious how well the Tesla does in cold weather when it is 6yrs old and the cells in the battery have some miles on them.
@@mrdumbfellow927 It would still be better to just drive to each charging station instead. Also theres a company called “tesloop” and you can watch their videos on RUclips about how their cars fare. They put like 700k and even 800k miles on the Tesla and some are running with their original battery pack and motor. Plus these were the initial 2013 or 2014 model S’s. The model 3’s should last much much longer and fare much better!
@@harsimranbansal5355 that's BS, all these influencers are here to deceive you in the name of the companies they were hired by, it drains in a day at those temperatures
@@THESLlCK Does yours drain in a day? No of course not ... you don't have a Tesla yet you seem to know more about them than people who do. I'm not an influencer. I have a Tesla. It doesn't drain in a day at any temperature! Now... who's paying YOU to dis EVs?
“Prolly a good idea to play it safe and not mess with the broken super charger”
*sticks his hand and camera inside to look at the wires😂😂
To be fair, he was wearing rubber-soled shoes 😁...
150kW is scary levels of power, but I very much doubt the contactors to deliver it close under any circumstances without a handshake to the car. You can hear the contactors in the battery pack on the car closing to accept it after about 30 seconds when you set the SuperCharger on the car, surely the actual DC cords have similar protection.
@@TemplarOnHigh Indeed, those contactors are way in the back of the supercharger, in the electronics cabinet.
The capacitors inside a camera actually give you quite a belt. It might have been because I wasn't expecting it, but my impression was that it hurt more than when I stuck a screwdriver into a 230V ac light fitting. Not willing to repeat either in the interest of science!
He didn't actually stick the camera INSIDE there.
My question is does the navigation system know the exterior temperature so it gives you a proper battery range when you reach your next supercharger. If it does not take temperature into account i would be worried it may want to bring you to a supercharger you can get to during the summer but might not make it to during very cold weather.
Yes, it takes into consideration temperature as well as elevation changes between stops. The predictions were usually close, but wind is difficult to predict. If you get a headwind that can turn things around quickly.
@@EngineeringExplained Was the AC the main additional power drain in the summer? Maybe a better comparison would have been winter vs. spring or fall when AC isn't used much (assuming you used AC in the summer trip. I'm watching that video next).
Does it also take to the account the speed? Or it just predicts that u will stick to the speed limi?
Tesla Bjørn's channel in Norway do plenty of these tests that can be quite handy to checkout too.
The onscreen "Energy" app has a Trip tab, which shows Projected and Actual(live/real) range curve to arrival (ideally, next Supercharger.)
It seems to be very accurate, but worst-case (eg you hit unexpected headwinds, speeding, rain/snow on road etc), the Actual curve will show the diverging higher usage and lower SoC at arrival, so you can take into account. The car will also alert you at some point "Slow down to make destination", but, that's kind of late, best to peek occasionally at the curve if you are worried. Ideally, don't plan to arrive with minimal charge so you don't worry.
Other apps eg ABetterRoutePlanner can also take weather into account as a second opinion/check during planning (free version input weather manually, but premium version has live weather/traffic/Supercharger availability)
Regarding heat pumps on some Teslas. Heat pumps quit working efficiently as they used to when the outside temperature reaches about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, and you can say that anything below the range of 25 to 30 degrees is a temperature a heat pump is not effective. Therefore, you can count on a conventional heat pump as a solution for your HVAC requirements as long as the temperature range is above 25 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit.
Actually, Tesla heatpumps will work efficiently even down to -30°C
@@logitech4873 Show a link to Tesla statement on that.
Extra thumbs up for keeping your cat happy and warm. 🐱
I live in rural Canada and it is minus 36 Celsius (minus 33 Fahrenheit) as I watch the above video so the temperatures described in the vid are a bit mild. Also, the road trip was through populated areas with relatively clear roads. In that scenario Tesla performed perfectly adequately, and I find myself pleasantly surprised.
But responsible winter driving focuses on safety, not on trivial inconveniences like reduced temperatures or excess minutes spent at a charging station. Fundamentally, winter driving comes down to the risk of being stranded with your vehicle and having to wait a seriously long time for help to arrive.
With an ICE vehicle that risk is mitigated by frequently filling up with fuel so that the tank is always at or near full capacity. That surplus fuel used sparingly could keep a stranded driver and passengers warm for days if necessary. If EV drivers routinely run their batteries from 20% to 75% capacity to minimize charging times, then a rural white-out or a mishap on black ice could end in tragedy. EV drivers can learn to better manage that risk, but ICE vehicles will be safer in rural areas in the north.
But what about winter conditions that result in black-outs? Ice storms are not infrequent and routinely leave millions without power for a short time, and leave EV vehicles instantly without a charging source. That's not just a risk for EV's caught out looking for a charging station. That's a risk for EV owners at home who need their vehicle for emergency use such as evacuation.
There's a significant niche for EV's now but they can be problematic, even dangerous for use in certain winter and other emergency conditions. I would be interested in seeing and evaluation of EV's in that context.
what are you blithering about ? I'm in Canada too . who in their right mind buys a tesla sports car to drive in the WINTER here ??? or any sports car ? you've been eating that yellow snow ! stop it ! your arguments are not observations , just goofy postulating and melodramatic fretting . you must be out east with your "ice storms" which you surmise will leave you stranded when having to go drive in the middle of it (are you off your rocker ) , for all those that keep their EV discharged waiting for it to happen , I guess . then " emergency use such as evacuation." ??? In 70 years out here on the prairie we've never needed to evacuate , how bout you ? just making garbage up ! if you "evacuate lots you'd better get a nice gas powered HELICOPTER !!! "then a rural white-out or a mishap on black ice could end in tragedy" what are you blithering about ? how does that not happen with ANY vehicle ? stop your bs
@@bobsaturday4273 Teslas are now sports cars? You can drive most Porsches and Audis without any issues in winter as many do here (north, not Americas). Needless to say, Teslas are deeply discounted. Fun toys, totally impractical.
I’m trying to understand your concern. My Model 3 LR is all wheel drive (they all are) and performs remarkably well in ice and snow conditions. As for blackouts (which I have experienced), it’s much less of a problem than with an ICE car. In my case, the Model 3 is plugged in and “topped up” when the blackout happens. Now in a blackout I can’t get additional electricity but you can’t pump gas either. What are the odds your ICE car has a full tank when a blackout randomly occurs?
@@johncahill3644 You need to pump gas way less frequently. The tank is so much bigger. Some places like Florida and 3rd world countries have generators for blackouts. In rural areas, you're also likely to have gas stored away in a canister for a chainsaw or other equipment.
Thank you for doing this. I live in Canada and this answered a lot of questions I had. Great job, one of the best channels on web.
Once this guy told me .. some years ago .. I can start my manual car in second gear. Since then I skipped his videos until I started preparing for a Tesla purchase.
Other power-sucking factors: In winter it's darker so headlights are used more often. May also need to use window defrost. Problems with comparing driving in opposite direction: typical direction of prevailing wind (with vs. against), altitude gain/loss (more downhill in one direction vs. more uphill in the other direction).
I had the same thoughts about the driving direction. Jason didn't say whether this was a circular loop, meaning he ascended and descended the same amount regardless of direction, though grade may be a factor. As for the headlights, as they're LED, that would have very little affect on power usage. AC is a different story, I imagine.
@@jeffpicken5057 A/C is far less of a factor than heat, especially in this car which doesn't have a heat pump like the newer versions. A/C uses around 5% to 10% more energy, worst case scenario. I tested this on my Model S, I turned off the A/C and monitored the watts per mile gauge, and then turned it on and checked it. The difference was barely noticeable. A/C's on cars cycle on and off to maintain temperature. Keep in mind that a 10,000 BTU A/C uses around 1000W each hour. With electric cars having 60kWh up to 200kWh today. The A/C will worst case scenario use up 2 to 3 miles of range each hour.
In most cars, the windshield defroster also runs the A/C to dehumidify the cabin. I don't own a Tesla, so is there a windshield defroster blower that's employing the A/C and generating heat? (ICE cars using waste heat to accomplish this.) Or is the windshield heated with embedded wires like my e-Golf which also has a blower?
@@martingardens Tesla's also use the A/C to dehumidify the air if you are driving in the rain or snow and you need to remove humidity.
In most cases, just blowing warm air on the windshield works fine without the dehumidify function, as the dew point of warm air is much lower than cold air, so the problem resolves itself.
I lived over 20 years in a European country with cold humid winters, and none of the cars back then even had A/C units at all, so there was no dehumidify function on the cars.
It still worked just fine.
I love the little setup you had for the cat and heating the seat for him :)
17:50 For Europe sounds crazy cheap: 4000 kms for (the equivalent to) 150 EUR in "fuel" is hilariously cheap even for people who drive a modest 3 or 4 cylinders car.
Two years ago the national average gasoline price was closer to $2/gallon compared to the $2.50/gallon mentioned in the video. Just imagine with that figure what it would be!
And that's all without even taking into account the price of tolls for highways in many European countries.
Far away highway travelling in Europe has become an expensive burning fuel and tolls exercise.
I drove my brand new 2022 Model 3 from Melbourne to Brisbane and back - ~4000 Km - and found that at every stop it took longer to use the toilet and get some food in than it did to charge to 90%. Had a great trip with no issues at all. The FSD that we have works on highways, and makes it so relaxing.
Great Video Jason. Impressive to see you cite so many stats while driving uninterrupted. Smart lad and a good perspective view on electric roadtrips
Your cat is just gorgeous! And such a sweet personality. Great video... as always.
Bucket was comfortable, that's all that matters 😄
Bucket: "So let me get this straight, you want me to have a nice warm lap and someone to pet me all day? I'm in!"
Now that gas is $4 a gallon, it makes even more sense to get a Tesla lol. I recently purchased a 2018 M3P from Carvana for $53K. I love it so much, and now bought a 2022 M3LR just to have extra mileage for road trips. Thanks for all this info!
Yea I bet you like stopping every 3 hours on a road trip to charge for 2 hours. I bet you like paying mechanic fees too
Diesel is $8.4 a gallon here
@@F30_Hellion electricity and time must be free
@@higherlifts420 You have no idea what you're talking about
Yeah no. Electricity in here is like +150% atm compared to last year. And yeah while gas is more expensive, it's only up by 30%. And this winter has been super cold. We've had like over 10 days of below -20c. And well, you can just see the complaints pour in. Think Hyundai has been the worst offender with range dropping by half. But Tesla fairs well, because they warm up their batteries during drive and maybe storage(haven't checked). So the range doesn't drop that much. But I frequently drive 150km and back without charging possibility anywhere during trip. So it's not going to work. During the summer it's fine though with the caveat that I can't charge at home.
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Kitty!
Exactly! :D
you sir are brave taking a cat on a 2500 mile road trip! awesome they ride so well!
OR: is he a lovely calm cat more similar to a dog :))))
Does someone know the breed of this cat? This cat actually made me consider getting one😂
@@uncledrew2430 All of my cats are rescue cats.
I've been from Florida to Arizona and back with two of them.
Never an issue! Just rescue a kitteh, please! :)
@@MikeBMW Don’t worry, I’d only rescue one, I was just interested in the breed.
@@ismo11 Appreciate it🙏
Great video, surprised at the results, was expecting a reduction of atleast 30%.
Great content please never stop making videos.
Electric cars and ice cars have their own unique things that need to be taken care of...
Truly I love the fact that the gas station is at my house...so handy.
No more checking gas prices...
Plan an hour for charging and driving out of your way to charge. Road trips suck in a Tesla, the charging time adds a ton of time even to a day trip
Getting better every year. Imagine doing cross county in 2013 compared to today. Now think about how much better it would be in the next few years when 250kw chargers are common
I was using 250kW super chargers every time. There is no getting around having to wait if you are on a long trip, I even cut the charging time short so I could get going. I started with a 54 mile surplus for my anticipated 175 mile leg and ended with 15 miles to spare. There is such a thing as range anxiety and when it’s night time and you just want to get home, the last thing you want to do is go to another supercharger for the 4th time in a day.
It would be interesting to do a test up here in the true cold at -40, where Fahrenheit and Celsius cross. ❤ from 🇨🇦
I would love to see him drive from Winnipeg to Regina on a cold winter day!
Was driving mine at around -31c recently in Canada, what questions do you have?
@@Styrak how did it do? I live in a region that can go a week at close to -40
At -40C, you need to have engine block heater so that you can start your gas car.
Björn Nyland did a test at -36°C in a Model X once. Mostly other issues also start to be the problem. His tyres were deformed.
I mean, 8 hours of charge time on a 2000 mile journey. Seems like a ton, especially vs fuel fill-ups.
If you look at it from a perspective of one stop every 200 miles, then it doesn’t sound that much. That’s 3 hours of driving between stops, at which point it’s nice to have a walk and go to the toilet.
@@harbl2479 Would definitely not stop every 200 miles with a regular car, heck Ive driven to Rovaniemi 4 times from Helsinki (820km), one without any stops, once with a piss stop by the road and twice where we went to eat. I consider it a waste of time if I constantly have to stop. Electric cars for me are something you drive in the city or close proximity. Wouldnt do roadtrip with one.
@@Sinr0ne first of all you're more than likely a spoiled out of touch traveler who is held captive to recency bias who doesn't take into account the fact that if you made the trip a hundred years ago it would take you three times longer that's what makes you spoiled and you don't seem to realize that you're convenience of the gas vehicle is putting soot up your nose and your lungs and your mouth and everywhere else in the environment but again typically you don't care about that so what different does it make your health versus convenience sorry for the tough talk but people like you need wake up calls but most times you never wake up it seems but that's on you.
@@Iambriangregory just accept you got suckered by Elon. Cope more.
@@sz8938 seems like you must think you're a talking to a mirror because people in the position of dominance and intelligence don't have to accept anything and you are common as shown that your brain and needs to be recharged I think on the supercharger because it has nothing to offer to anybody except your opinion which is like noses everyone's got one! So you have anything of value to contribute to the discussion after that brain is recharged you can recommend but you better recharge that brain. And recognize your condition of not recognizing the advances that have been made in this technology but for a spoiled person they wouldn't recognize that at all go ahead and recharge it'll take a couple years probably to get you to 50%, hahaha
Thank you I’m about ready to pull the trigger on a new model Y and I’ve been concerned about winter road trips. I watched the Ohio Tesla guy go through blizzard and he had a miserable low efficiency trip. I think he had a lot of things going on and it really discouraged me.this video has helped me and I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
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@@datbouldrawlinun8183This isn't your dating app, grandpa
Buying an EV is the worst decision you can make.
@@bc_usa how so?
@@logitech4873have you seen the news?
THANK YOU! This was such an informative video. I’m thinking about getting a Model Y but was getting concerned about the efficiency in winter after reading comments online. The comparison of summer vs winter, mpg equivalencies, and strategies for charging were super helpful. I also appreciate data from driving at highway speeds. I feel much better about moving forward now.
Don't forget that you are not supposed to charge your EV to 100% every time so if your model Y distance is 325 miles on paper, it's only 260 miles with 80%. Then take off another 10% if you left your car outside in the cold. So you looking in around 240 miles before you started your trip. I live in 🇨🇦 and that's my biggest concern too.
Buy a ICE vehicle and wait 5 years for EV or waste your money with todays EV
Dude you're a fantastic communicator, you've explained optimal charging strategy as a small part of a cool video with fantastic content beautifully.
Thanks for the kind words!
I’ve never known a cat who didn’t vomit within 5 minutes of driving around... and every 5 minutes thereafter. 🤷🏽♂️
Really? In my experience I'm always surprised they don't puke lol mine never have
i had a cat for 18yrs that never vomited in a car.
What? Mine loves the 2h drives home.
Zero vomiting in 2,500 miles haha. Though as you can tell, it was a mild concern (hence the sheets, and there was a plastic layer under the sheet).
I've made road trips with cats and never had one vomit. They enjoyed the constant vibration and slept. I am sure heated seats would be even more realxing for a cat.
Tons of good info. One thing missing is that I like to know how the weight (amount of cargo weights or number of passengers) would affect the range of the battery. Also, FYI: if the same road trip with the same weather conditions being discused in this video is done with my 2017 Madza3 Hatchback, the cost for gas is almost identical to the charging cost of Tesla. In fact, I have done trips like this more than 20 times. My Mazda3's odometer is now at 172 800 Miles. :)
And the mazda 3 is saving you about $35k off the initial cost.
Have you done it at the current $4-5 per gallon of gas? I've already saved hundreds of dollars charging at home at like $0.03 per kW (or roughly $2 to completely recharge) versus filling up the old gas tank for $40 for equivalent range. (old gas car got more range, so I accounted for using less gallons to equate cost of same range).
Even considering supercharging, which I've rarely used, it was significantly cheaper. $20 got me a full recharge at a fairly expensive location, where gas was about $4.50 per gallon, or about $40 for the same 260-270 miles of range (in a 30MPG car, about 9 gallons). So with this constantly fluctuating (and expensive) gas prices, electricity remains pretty stable and significantly cheaper.
When everyone is complaining of gas prices, EV drivers will not be thinking about it for even a second.
Actually I'm from Canada. The gas price here is more expensive than in US. Of the 20 trips that I did, 2 were in 2020, 5 in 2021, 6 on 2021, and 7 in 2022. On average, converting from $/g $ to $/g, it's roughly $4.8/gallon. My mazda 3 cost $20 500 US. How much your EV vehicle cost initially? How much time have you waste for the car be charged if you travel long distance? And how much time you spent pre-planning your trip to look for locations of the charging stations? Listen, I drive 3x times more than average drivers, and I love to have an EV vehicle. But saving gas is not everything, it's also about convenience, practicality. I go to the mountains where charging stations are no where to be found, and then, some chargers were not working. Also, if you live or go to a relatively warm/cool areas where charging stations are abandons like gas stations, then it's not so bad. Or in a perfect world, drive the Ev vehicles only in the city, and charge it at night at your place garage, it's great. But if you live in places like Montana or Alaska, Canada where the weather can drop to -40F, I like to see how well the EV vehicles perform. I guess my point is: it all depends on how much money you have, places you live, places you go. I would get an EV car or SUV AWD immediately, if the vehicle has a range of 600 miles per charge, and the inital cost is same price as a regular car with a average MSRP of $25000 or an SUV of $35000. All being said, I love to have a plug-in hybrids instead.
Does the cost matter? You only do road trips like a couple time a year. What matters is the daily drive cost which is much lower then superchargers.
@@lachlanB323- don’t forget the terrible depreciation. Good luck!
If you actually LIVE in a cold climate, and use your car to commute, you have to go through the whole initial power burn of conditioning the battery and warming up the interior at least twice a day. So yes you can do it, but everyday usage is nowhere as efficient as a road trip.
Very good point. Didn't think of this.
However, at least one of those conditioning the battery/warming the interior should be on shore power.
Preheating of gas car consumes much more energy vs. battery. In your daily commute, gas efficiency drops significantly. EVs are more efficient in local driving.
@@stanislavjaracz What preheating? In a gas car, you start it up and drive.
@@mrpoizun yes, you and me start and drive. Many others use remote start to make the car warm and cozy before they enter it.
When I first saw the title, the ICE mind of mine went "How do you have a supercharger in an electric vehicle? ;)
Your not the only gearhead that had to check this out ..... Supercharger got my attention.
It made me want to watch the video.
You forgot to consider the lifetime of the battery. You took 6 more charging stops and did fully charge it 9 times instead of 8 times in summer. Also, this is a one continuous roadtrip so the battery discharge over night is not that big in comparison to driving the car daily when the car sits outside all day and discharges. Just a thought... :D
Please don´t take it as a hate comment. I love these videos. Thanks for sharing your data :)
8 hours charging on a 2500 mile trip is not bad. Filling up an ICE vehicle on the same trip would be around 45 -60 minutes, but since no one is going to drive 2500 miles non stop most of the charging could be done at your sleep over stops and since you will eat and go to the restrooms, that is also enough charging time to the next stop. As I understood it, most of the time a 20 min stop is all it takes to charge enough till the next stop and that is about 5 hours of driving away by which time I would normally have stopped in any case, with any vehicle.
That is a great point, which many people overlook. I have driven with my wife and kids, my dogs, and people stop for food, restrooms and take breaks. Also, no matter what car I drive, I typically never drive more than 300 miles in a single day on a road trip. And many hotels now have destination chargers where the car charges while you sleep. In those cases, the lost of time is basically zero.
Which again explains why most rest areas are full of combustion engine cars. Because apparently driving 500 miles non stop really isn't that attractive of an option for 99% of people...
Drive the Tesla around town, and rent a car for long trips(and peace of mind).
So spend 38 to 80 G on a Tesla to sit in traffic and spend extra hundreds of dollars when you want to travel out of town? Brilliant.
That is a terrible idea
Man I love your videos, always learn so much. Keep doing great work!
This is the only tesla owner that internet doesn't hate
Bati Alexis that and rich who put a v8 in his Tesla 😍
Really appreciate the detailed reviews. Curious where that beautiful snowy, densely forested highway is - stunning scenery!
Car and Driver had teams last year drive electric cars from Chicago to DC. Some cars had major issues finding charging stations and ran into lines and broken chargers. Some of the teams took days longer than some of the others. The teslas won, but everyone said they wouldn't want to travel this way, that they would take a gasoline powered vehicle for travel over any of the electric cars.
their drivers must have been idiots. i'd never take a gas car on a cross-country trip over a tesla.
@@SpottedSharks I mean I'm pretty sure Car and Driver knows how to drive but OK whatever.
The US energy Secretary sent ICE cars ahead to reserve chargung station on her welk publicized cross country trip. That says it all.
Wait till you are in a situation where you are caught in traffic and a person is forced to “idle” for many hours in a road block or have to divert when planning on having five percent battery left at next charging point . This has happened to me a number of times in my travels in the winter .
Electric vehicles don't have to idle, although you would still use the heater.
@@danieljensen2626 Or air conditioning.
Happened to me in Pennsylvania when two semi's crashed and the interstate was closed. No way around. Everyone had to go to a small town where every square inch of curb had someone parked on it. And if that town doesn't have a charger and you're at 5% as you say, you're gonna need a jump.
Great update. I'm going to wait another 5 years before even looking at moving to EV.
By then, I'm hoping that the charging infrastructure, and battery technology has matured to the point where moving away from gas powered vehicles is almost seamless.
For us there are still too many compromises/inconveniences, at this point, with EV.
Exactly! Probably longer than 5 years in reality
This is a reasonable position, though I think the compromises are going to go away a little faster than you think. The stuff that's coming down the pipeline over the next year is really good, Electrify America is already planning an additional 1800 stations and 10000 Chargers by the end of 2025 and Tesla has been tossing around the idea of opening up the supercharger Network to other vehicles which meet its standards[ they would be foolish not to since it's an opportunity to become the Exxon of charging which is going to vanish very rapidly] and mind you these are just two of the major players, chargepoint, evgo, and several others are also beginning to expand rapidly
For the majority of people they can just charge at home and have enough to do what they need to do
Do you drive 2500 miles in the cold every week
"The day that I can sit in my garage and say go here and I don't have to touch anything and I'm not liable for anything, I am all for that"
That day will never come. You are the driver, you are ultimately responsible.
You may not be the helmsman, but you are still the captain.
“Never” really? I doubt it. It’ll happen, it won’t be “never”
It's called "a taxicab" and it's been around for a century.
@@wkiernan exactly - and if the car/computer is driving (and logs show you weren't having any inputs), then liability wise it should be treated the same as a taxi cab - although Tesla probably won't want the liability either.... which is something that needs to be sorted out at some point. But the principle is the same, so it's definitely something that can be resolved, one way or another.
Manufacturer would probably be ultimately responsible if their product failed and caused some damage.
@@Cheepchipsable in todays court and culture, you are probably correct
Here's the FACTS:
We just did a 5k Road trip from Austin to Bismarck, then Wisconsin,etc...
I drove my brand new 2023 Y Long Range, and my brother brought his 2023 Toyota Sienna Hybrid, and he beats us in every way - I charged MULTIPLE TIMES & the SUPERCHARGERS were so EXPENSIVE, then he just STOP half of what i did, and he spent less 30% than me, after we calcluate everything.
To make rhe long story siort, his family had way better experience than mine,as they don't need to keep on stopping to charge, and their captain chair is so nice!
Only super fanboys/fangirls will say that Tesla is good for Road Trips, as in the reality is, ALL NEW MINIVANS still the KING when it comes to ROAD TRIP, period.
(TESLA is only good for short trips)
Have an amazing day to y'all!
His cat was his road trip partner and dine in companion during his trip... Cool.
Model 3's with the heat pump are already out, and I've heard that with those, you lose less than 20% of your range.
Selling EVs in Minnesota is like selling Ice Cream to a Eskimo 😂
2:40 19:55 We want more Bucket!
I second that motion lol
I love this guy. That being said, absent any fundamental change in the driving realities of EVs, I will not be purchasing an EV anytime soon. Far too expensive, given the hassle of range anxiety and I do NOT stop when I do road trips. I've gone 500 miles without stopping, many times, then 20 minutes to gas up and use the facilities, and back on the road. The places I go to are not near any major airports so driving is far more efficient, but not if it'll take "days" to make the 15- hour trip. And, before everyone starts with the "you're unique" comments, I am trying to bring up the fact that most people will only adopt new technology as long as it's "better" than the current tech. More hassle is the exact opposite of better.
Or they'll put up with the inconveniences if its significantly cheaper. Right now EVs are both less capable AND more expensive.
It will be interesting to see what happens after widespread EV adoption when there is a regional winter storm with massive power outages.
Very true.
Dont gas station pumps need electricity too?
@@maxpowers8791ify Some gas stations have back-up generators for their pumps.
And I can easily store spare gas to refuel a gas powered vehicle.
I lot of people will not get to work and those on the road will die.
@@maxpowers8791ify Yes but a full tank in an ICE vehicle will take you a lot further. Also a much generator will keep the pumps running.
thanks for these videos, I'm shopping for a new car and will definitely pass on EVs for now...I live in one of the coldest states and the range loss + lack of reliable charging infrastructure outside of the major cities = high chance of being stranded, no thanks
Same in hot states, the constant AC is another juice drainer.
When I was in my twenties, I had fun seeing how far I could drive without stopping*. 30 years later, I really appreciate the stops at superchargers- to stretch my legs, get a coffee, go shopping, stay fresh.
*Get the right mix of drinks and salty snacks, and you can do a whole 8 hours/whole tank of gas in one sitting, Chicago to Rochester!
I'm 66. Last weekend I drove from Phoenix to Santa Rosa, CA. Non-stop. I guess we age at different rates :)
@@davidgapp1457 Non stop driving is the worst. So much nicer to stop and enjoy the trip.
@@stighaaland5357 Given how short American vacation time is, I have to disagree. We get two weeks a year and if I have to drive, I want to get it done. Of course I usually fly but depends on the type of holiday. I think the longest non-stop drive I did was on my FZR600 motorbike (approximately 1000 miles, Phoenix to Santa Rosa, CA via Zion National Park. As for stopping, I don't find gas stations to be particularly attractive, so I don't tend to hang around longer than I have to.
@@davidgapp1457which brings up a more serious concern. You are 66, working, and only get two weeks of vacation.
One observation, in a lot of these road trip videos, I don’t think I’ve seen a single charging station with a canopy to protect the driver from the elements when plugging in.
There's no point in having one
@@randomperson34548 of course there is
@@thndr_5468 That's a convincing argument!
@@sweiland75 thanks. took a while of pondering to arrive to that conclusion
Since this is Tesla I'm really surprised most of these stations don't have canopies made out of solar panels.