@@davids.6671 you'd need to include the added thermal output while driving as well. How would you add that into the numbers? I'd guess half of the round trip inefficiency losses per kwh, the other half being accounted for in the residual heat from charging. Thanks for putting most of the puzzle together regardless. Imma look up round trip efficiency right quick. Edit: Wind power engineering, my first Google result, says battery storage system have 75-85 percent efficiency. Although not exactly the same, the car's inverter also contributes to the heat generated. Taking the 15% losses, that's 7.5% of battery energy consumption is otherwise waste heat being used to heat the cabin. That's not a lot of heat, but it does contribute to the overall value.
All normal people when it's cold and dark: Let's stay inside, watching TV from the sofa. Tesla-Bjørn: Drives 300 km to the coldest place he can find. Drives around in the middle of the night testing chargers. Then sleeps in the car. And we are watching it... Convincing cold weather performance by the TM3. I'm tempted to order...
I believe that the consumption has to be taken with a little bit grain of salt, I never have experienced frozen windows from the inside, normal people will increase the heat inside a bit more, imagine there are passengers at the back 🥶🥶🥶 (and pay attention to the extra issolation)
This guy is unbelievable, a legend. Amazing content so much better than Netflix, thank you, any one driving, looking for the coldest darkest place so he can have a burger and sleep in his TM3 whist sitting on as plug deserves respect. The UK loves you! And I thought 3 degrees in 🇬🇧 was cold ❄️ .
Thank you Bjorn! I have been waiting for these octovalve heat pump very cold weather videos! Nice to see the advantage of the dual pane windows in reducing frosting. Can’t wait to see the next ones!! 🥶
Been waiting for this one! Nice one. Looking forward to seeing comparison on consumption tomorrow when starting with cold battery (like when starting from cabin). I do agree with some comments saying it would be even better to do the test without extra insulation on the ceiling etc. To show pure car performance.
Maybe Bjorn needs to do these cold weather range tests with his wife in the car. Keeping the cabin cool enough that the rear windows ice up on the inside is not something most people are going to want to do. Yes, I realize that the rear climate control is turned off automatically on Tesla’s, but I always have my rear vents closed on my Audi and I’ve never had the rear Windows ice over. It would be nice to see a range test with someone actually keeping the cabin pleasantly warm during the drive.
Only a few RUclipsrs are on my must watch list and TeslaBjorn is one. Keep up the good work! Have you seen the Tesla new charger stations plan shows 3 planned charging stations inside Oslo city in 2021?
WOW another super cool test😎. Well done Bjørn! As an engineer this is so satisfying to watch, Tesla really have done an ace job, IMHO they’re still years ahead in terms of the electric-car-specific engineering (too bad I can’t afford one). The charger issue could be that the cable temperature is declared ‘implausible’ below a certain temperature, so it limits the current to a very low value to be safe. In that case it should be an easy fix.
It might be a contributing factor but it wouldn’t explain such a digital difference between the rear of the front windows and the front of the rear windows.
Fancy chargers you have in Norway! And all of them actually function. I won't travel that far in that kind of cold in an EV without the confidence that I can charge. The good news the confidence is there! People assume by default it's the same case here in California, but if you use 3rd party charging networks - chances you are going to fast charge are not 100% unfortunately.
Hello Bjørn, Happy New Year.. I hope you have a good and warm night's sleep. Here it is minus 7 and if I was camping in my old VW combi, I would be running the chinese diesel heater flat out all night.. You can 'stealth' camp with no noise or diesel exhaust...Just great.. Cordialement,
In two years M3 I’ve used ionity once when it was flatrate cause I could get it be even cheaper than home charging :) then they change the tariff model increased their prices and I’ve never used them since. There always is a Supercharger to get the juice cheaper !
@@Cedo0263 Unless you buy a car from one of the brands behind Ionity, e.g. with a Mercedes ... I charge at 0.29 euro / kWh (Belgium) Maybe you don't know, but Ionity is the charging Network of Mercedes / VAG / BMW / Ford / Hyundai ... similar to the SuC Network of Tesla, with that difference that it is open for everybody, just a higher price.
@@PenkoAngelov That is also one way of looking at it! However, I doubt whether the Tesla systems are open to make this possible. Because somehow in the Tesla Systems it will have to be possible to make a link with the (external) charging card/providers for invoicing purposes. Or Tesla has to become a provider with an appropriate charging pass.
The laminated windows are so much better, because they use different materials. Glas/some sort of polymer and „glue“/Glas, which makes heat transfer harder...
Bjorn, this is a very timely video, I had just finished a new video on Transport Evolved where they were reporting on news articles claiming that the new model 3s and Y had difficulty staying warm in Quebec this winter, look forward to your next video!! -_-
You have a thermal storage battery that helps with heating. The battery is about 500kg and while is hard to estimate the thermal mass as is made of so many materials I will use an average of 0.5J per gram and degree Celsius. So say usable 40C delta will provide 0.14Wh x 40C x 500kg = 2.8kWh Now that I calculated 2.8kWh is not that much of a thermal storage capacity unless I made some mistake. I was expecting a bit more.
You have to be able to either run some fresh air in or use the AC in the winter to keep things dry and no internal fog/frost. Very important in winter.
I think an electric 12v blanket running some watts close to your body, would be a great complement. It will not influence total consumtion during camping so much at 25. Maybe even reduce it since car climate system can be running easier
I remember when we were in Bergen for Christmas about 15 years ago and at -20c my wife said it was so cold she thought her head would crack! (Japanese over exaggeration!)
At -20ºC it's very possible some components of the charger are operating outside the optimal temperature range. Still, high quality components often work well under -40ºC so idk.
I've wondered... When you drive from home without charger plugged in and the car is cold, is it more efficient to A; preheat the car anyway and lose some capacity before the trip, or B; Just get in and drive and let the car heat up while driving? Hmmm
I’m presuming from all the different videos I’ve watched, is to warm the battery first esp for long battery life. (Also depends how long/short journey is)
Dont do it Bjørn!!I just bought a model 3 LR brand new 6 days ago, also in norway. The heat pump/climate control has already stopped working twice!! It was subzero temps both times!!! I froze my ass off getting home and could hardly see because I couldnt stop the windscreen fogging up!! Oh and because the drivers side windscreen wiper doesn’t work properly 🤣😅
Scary, I hope he's not turning into "Popsicle Bjorn" right now! I've spent 3 winters in arctic Canada, heat is not optional in those temps (unless you have a well built igloo and good caribou skins).
I should also add that when we drove over dovrefjellet -dombås-bjorli and it was -14C. The rear side/passenger wonders were fogging up like in this video, but turning the fan up to 7+ helped prevent the fogging.
20:49 You missed the opportunity to check the thermal image of the charging station and the charging cable to see if the cold temps is affecting it physically.
Björn is using some sort of insulation for the glas roof which will help with keeping it warm inside. This makes it hard to compare with other vehicles consumtion if you don´t insulate your car.
Hi Bjorn, I was wondering if you could make a video about the Tesla M3SR+ late 2020 MiC with the new battery. Me and a lot of other new owners are having trouble with charging speeds. No matter how warm and low the bettery is, charging doesn't get over 60 ish KW on a super charger. I've driven for hundreds of km'ers to a supercharger and warmed up the battery like crazy but still no change. On the Tesla Model 3 Netherlands group a lot of owners are complaining with even lower charging speeds. Do you know more about this? Thanks a lot in advance
Superb video as always Björn! :D I'm looking forward to see some more videos of the Skoda Enyaq aswell. Do you know when that car is coming to Norway for you to test out? That is a car that I'm looking forward to as it has a lot of things that appeal to me. Keep up the good work!
@@lesmoore4769 I think that we are a lot of people that are curious about how it will be and perform. Living in Sweden it will be close to the testing that Björn is doing aswell :)
@@marcsimmonds5483 In Sweden some of them comes by default :) like the heat pump etc. But yes, there are some options (like for most cars?) that you can choose what you equip it with.
We shouldn’t forget the energy that is expended heating the battery on charging when assessing the efficiency. Just because it’s “hidden” doesn’t mean it’s not part of the overall consumption.
@@bjornnyland Very true, Bjorn - I was referring to the overall efficiency figures such as ones quoted in datasheets - they rarely if ever I suspect add in the vampire drain and the like!
Bjørn, thanks for all your great videos, always enjoy them!! I was wondering if it would be the liquid cooling of the cable on the ionity charger slowing it down, and then you confirmed it!!
8:46 "Oh it's kind of stiff" -(That's what she said) "I have to kind of struggle to get it in!" -That's what she said! "I might need two hands" -THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! *THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!*
Can you also do a cold weather consumption test but not with battery at 40 C. Test a stretch where one day with a parked model 3 which has ice on the windows and cold battery and se how much energy you spend from A to B. Then do the same stretch once the car has cooled down, but with 5-10 min preconditioning and see if how much difference the total energy usage is. :)
@@bjornnyland Hehe no i mean the same weather but without the battery cell mid temp at 40 C. If the battery is at 0-4 C I think the results will be very different. My 2019 uses almost 250 wh/km on a regular drive with 60 kph average speed.
Hi Bjørn, fantastische Arbeit, ja! I have a little request along the lines of your recent cold weather tests. It might be interesting for many Model 3 drivers in the cold weather: There is a report of an issue with 3-phase AC charging the Model 3 at subzero battery temps and high charge (e.g. 80%). Here, it seems the car does not take charge from the charger, but instead uses battery power to afterburn and heat up the battery once plugged in. Only when the battery is warm enough it will allow current to flow from the charger. Why does it not take the power from the charger to run the afterburner and instead discharges the battery?
Using the battery to run the afterburners would help warm the batteries up a bit quicker. Odd that it doesn’t use the wall power though. I wonder if the car was at or above the charge limit set in the car.
@@SirHackaL0t. Well, there wasn't any issue with getting enough power to run the afterburners, it was just that this power didn't come from the charger, according to ScanMyTesla. This is indeed odd behavior and my best guess is that it's a kind of battery protection feature to really not allow any charging at subzero battery temps. But I have seen it on only one car, yet.
tff-forum.de/t/model-3-lr-2019-ladeleistung-stromquelle-bei-kaelte/95241 First post. Sorry it‘s all German, but the numbers speak for themselves. It‘s happening whenever the battery temperature is below 0 degrees Celsius. Two different chargers were used with same result.
Informative! Appears preheating targets about 20C. In route battery chill down is counterintuitive. Where is the heat from the battery being redistributed to? V3 superchargers require 40C to get 250kw, is that possible in the winter?
wow this channel helps me a lot, here in north spain every morning in the winter are about -10º-15º, my garage has no heat its cold, if i leaves the tesla all the night charging the battery will be a nice temperature? nice content bro, helping al ot
I received my M3P i mid December. On new years day the heating stopped working. It is now fixed and Tesla explained that all new M3 have a heating sensor of poor quality. New sensors are expected i late January and all owners of the new M3 will receive a letter from Tesla where they offer to change the sensors.
Next vid will be interesting assuming tesla uses CO2 refrigerant in the heatpump which usaly only works down to -25C. So this could mean a jump in consumption during camping
Just got my M3P, I also saw that the back windows was fogging up, checked the fan settings on the far right side you have a icon to force airflow to the back. I assume the 3 has the same thing as the model X has, it only turns on back air vents when it is a passenger in the back.... is this a new feature on the 3? You have driven M3 long time so you should probably know Björn?
The car is smart enough to not heat the rear. But if the sensors detect passengers in the rear, it will heat it up. Never heard of this tech before? Very common in EVs.
@@bjornnyland But even the rear window is frozen - not good for safety though. Isnt all the insulation actually influencing your measurements? Or are Norwegian really driving around with insulation mats?
hate to break it to you , but your rear side windows will do the same in this extreme weather in any vehicle... especially with the rear climate control off....
@@tilted4fun805 I really doubt that. If the A/C is running properly the air inside the guy is to be dehydrated and thus no fog on any window. I would really like to see how an Audi etron behaves in that conditions, I never had such issues in any of my Audi‘s.
@@Legotechs I do remember one of my parents’ volvo wagons had that. It is a good solution indeed, but requires a bit of effort in design and construction to have the ducts run through there. the center air vents were off... and they do have an impact on the rear side windows. also who knows what he was doing with his insulation panels. 🤷🏻♂️
Can one preheat the battery manually in the model 3? Just in case one wants to charge spontaneously at Ionnity? And how long does it take to heat up the battery from 0 - 20* C?
Man kann es drehen und wenden, wie man will, aber die extrem gute Aerodynamik des Model 3 ist der richtige Ansatz bei einem Elektroauto. Ganz sicher nicht die SUV-Form. Macht Sport, dann braucht ihr kein Rückenauto.
Awesome content as always! Btw, what is that GPS device you're using? I remember you talking about it in one of your previous vids. Unfortunately, I can't remember which vid it was 😅.
@@bjornnyland I've been working with usability for some decades. A charging cable that is almost stiffer than possible to attach in cold temp is unimaginable non test to me
-25c is a normal occurrence in Canada. Your video was helpful. I am amazed that it maintains 200 wh/km.
The car is using the battery as a big thermal mass that you heat while charging and cool while driving, that is really cool!
@@davids.6671 how did you calculate that?
only while fast charging. with 11kW battery will not heat up. you will even keep a regen limit.
@@davids.6671 you'd need to include the added thermal output while driving as well. How would you add that into the numbers? I'd guess half of the round trip inefficiency losses per kwh, the other half being accounted for in the residual heat from charging.
Thanks for putting most of the puzzle together regardless. Imma look up round trip efficiency right quick.
Edit: Wind power engineering, my first Google result, says battery storage system have 75-85 percent efficiency. Although not exactly the same, the car's inverter also contributes to the heat generated. Taking the 15% losses, that's 7.5% of battery energy consumption is otherwise waste heat being used to heat the cabin. That's not a lot of heat, but it does contribute to the overall value.
All normal people when it's cold and dark: Let's stay inside, watching TV from the sofa.
Tesla-Bjørn: Drives 300 km to the coldest place he can find. Drives around in the middle of the night testing chargers. Then sleeps in the car.
And we are watching it...
Convincing cold weather performance by the TM3. I'm tempted to order...
I have sometimes thought “I might just see what he’s up to” and 25 minutes later still watching yet another Norwegian road trip
This one was great as well... ruclips.net/video/capOgUHPz9Q/видео.html
I believe that the consumption has to be taken with a little bit grain of salt, I never have experienced frozen windows from the inside, normal people will increase the heat inside a bit more, imagine there are passengers at the back 🥶🥶🥶 (and pay attention to the extra issolation)
May be it’s because of recirculation.
@@leifjohannsen1662 the end justifies the means, as long as low consumption can be recorded ...
This guy is unbelievable, a legend. Amazing content so much better than Netflix, thank you, any one driving, looking for the coldest darkest place so he can have a burger and sleep in his TM3 whist sitting on as plug deserves respect. The UK loves you! And I thought 3 degrees in 🇬🇧 was cold ❄️ .
Better than Netflix? Chill out, dude. You're gettin a bit overexcited here.
Never will be able to look at -4° the same again xD
Love these artic temperature videos. Great video Bjørn!
1:12 The pooping guy😲
Thanks Bjørn once I see it, I can't unsee it.
Heating up the Cable with the personal "Afterburner" 🤣
I guess the word buttplug, got a whole new meaning 😂😂
21:10 should be the standard support questions: Have you tried putting it up your bum?
Answer: That might be the problem...
Interesting Ionity behavior... Packing a creme brulee torch next time visiting Ionity in the winter. 😁
In before Ionity butt plug shaped charger. Gotta make it faster for customer to heat it up with their ass huh? 😁
Thank you Bjorn! I have been waiting for these octovalve heat pump very cold weather videos! Nice to see the advantage of the dual pane windows in reducing frosting. Can’t wait to see the next ones!! 🥶
Already looking forward to the cablesitting😂
Bjorn, you have an amazing ability to work almost non stop! I thought I could work hard!!!! Respect.
Been waiting for this one! Nice one. Looking forward to seeing comparison on consumption tomorrow when starting with cold battery (like when starting from cabin).
I do agree with some comments saying it would be even better to do the test without extra insulation on the ceiling etc. To show pure car performance.
Terrible cold indeed! In the Netherlands even below zero is rare last decade.... beautiful trip Bjørn!
This guy has the best positive disposition ever.
TeslaBjørn: "Can i have full charging speed?"
Ionity: "Of course, you just have to sit on the cable, and warm it with your ass"
Love your work Bjorn👍
You know it's a good video when Tesla Bjørns cable is super stiff!
Pressing 'like' before watching! Really like your videos Bjorn, been watching you for a long time
Thank you for doing all this for us. - 26 😳On worst on french riviera we are around 0, more often 5 to 10!
Thank you uncle Bjorn!👍👍👍
Maybe Bjorn needs to do these cold weather range tests with his wife in the car. Keeping the cabin cool enough that the rear windows ice up on the inside is not something most people are going to want to do. Yes, I realize that the rear climate control is turned off automatically on Tesla’s, but I always have my rear vents closed on my Audi and I’ve never had the rear Windows ice over. It would be nice to see a range test with someone actually keeping the cabin pleasantly warm during the drive.
Only a few RUclipsrs are on my must watch list and TeslaBjorn is one. Keep up the good work! Have you seen the Tesla new charger stations plan shows 3 planned charging stations inside Oslo city in 2021?
WOW another super cool test😎. Well done Bjørn!
As an engineer this is so satisfying to watch, Tesla really have done an ace job, IMHO they’re still years ahead in terms of the electric-car-specific engineering (too bad I can’t afford one).
The charger issue could be that the cable temperature is declared ‘implausible’ below a certain temperature, so it limits the current to a very low value to be safe. In that case it should be an easy fix.
It’s ice in the back window because you have turned off the air conditioning in the back.
It might be a contributing factor but it wouldn’t explain such a digital difference between the rear of the front windows and the front of the rear windows.
Can confirm the same issue in -25 weather. A/C doesn’t help much. Heat pump was struggling to blow warm air in -30 going highway speed.
Hit the like button while you're watching, it's easy!
Very interesting video. This is actually true real world testing on the cold. I am impressed by the car.
-4°, the guy who's pooping. I like your thinking Bjørn!
👍 Keep them coming 😳
This is really special data 👍
Fancy chargers you have in Norway! And all of them actually function. I won't travel that far in that kind of cold in an EV without the confidence that I can charge. The good news the confidence is there! People assume by default it's the same case here in California, but if you use 3rd party charging networks - chances you are going to fast charge are not 100% unfortunately.
After all Norway has probably the best infrastructure in terms of EV charger
Can't believe.how fast you were driving.on those ice rinks. Shows how good the M3 is on snow/ice. Impressive
Hello Bjørn,
Happy New Year..
I hope you have a good and warm night's sleep.
Here it is minus 7 and if I was camping in my old VW combi, I would be running the chinese diesel heater flat out all night..
You can 'stealth' camp with no noise or diesel exhaust...Just great..
Cordialement,
Typical IONITY... Highest price, poor performance!
Yes but they have RGB.
In two years M3 I’ve used ionity once when it was flatrate cause I could get it be even cheaper than home charging :) then they change the tariff model increased their prices and I’ve never used them since. There always is a Supercharger to get the juice cheaper !
@@Cedo0263 Unless you buy a car from one of the brands behind Ionity, e.g. with a Mercedes ... I charge at 0.29 euro / kWh (Belgium) Maybe you don't know, but Ionity is the charging Network of Mercedes / VAG / BMW / Ford / Hyundai ... similar to the SuC Network of Tesla, with that difference that it is open for everybody, just a higher price.
@@philipclaeys6920 Tesla's SC are open too... Just not implemented by other manufacturers.
@@PenkoAngelov That is also one way of looking at it! However, I doubt whether the Tesla systems are open to make this possible. Because somehow in the Tesla Systems it will have to be possible to make a link with the (external) charging card/providers for invoicing purposes. Or Tesla has to become a provider with an appropriate charging pass.
The laminated windows are so much better, because they use different materials.
Glas/some sort of polymer and „glue“/Glas, which makes heat transfer harder...
Bjorn, this is a very timely video, I had just finished a new video on Transport Evolved where they were reporting on news articles claiming that the new model 3s and Y had difficulty staying warm in Quebec this winter, look forward to your next video!! -_-
You have a thermal storage battery that helps with heating. The battery is about 500kg and while is hard to estimate the thermal mass as is made of so many materials I will use an average of 0.5J per gram and degree Celsius. So say usable 40C delta will provide 0.14Wh x 40C x 500kg = 2.8kWh
Now that I calculated 2.8kWh is not that much of a thermal storage capacity unless I made some mistake. I was expecting a bit more.
You have to be able to either run some fresh air in or use the AC in the winter to keep things dry and no internal fog/frost. Very important in winter.
Hei Bjørn, please do a new video with the new 2024 model 3 in winter conditions 👏🏽👏🏽
Top content as usual !
I think an electric 12v blanket running some watts close to your body, would be a great complement. It will not influence
total consumtion during camping so much at 25. Maybe even reduce it since car climate system can be running easier
IONITY has coldgate :)
Nice of you to warm the stalls up.
Can you get an IR-meter and measure the heat loss through the different windows?
it may be tricky to read a window’s temperature with an IR meter.. being glass and both reflective/transparent
I remember when we were in Bergen for Christmas about 15 years ago and at -20c my wife said it was so cold she thought her head would crack! (Japanese over exaggeration!)
At -20ºC it's very possible some components of the charger are operating outside the optimal temperature range. Still, high quality components often work well under -40ºC so idk.
On his way to sing with fire saga at eurovision. 🔥 😂
Anyone have any experience in -40 to -50 in these?
1:39 i so much love this laugh ! 😂 a little touch of sarcasm in it...
I've wondered... When you drive from home without charger plugged in and the car is cold, is it more efficient to A; preheat the car anyway and lose some capacity before the trip, or B; Just get in and drive and let the car heat up while driving? Hmmm
I’m presuming from all the different videos I’ve watched, is to warm the battery first esp for long battery life. (Also depends how long/short journey is)
Dont do it Bjørn!!I just bought a model 3 LR brand new 6 days ago, also in norway. The heat pump/climate control has already stopped working twice!! It was subzero temps both times!!! I froze my ass off getting home and could hardly see because I couldnt stop the windscreen fogging up!! Oh and because the drivers side windscreen wiper doesn’t work properly 🤣😅
Can’t tell if you are driving a Trabant or a Tesla 😂
Scary, I hope he's not turning into "Popsicle Bjorn" right now! I've spent 3 winters in arctic Canada, heat is not optional in those temps (unless you have a well built igloo and good caribou skins).
I should also add that when we drove over dovrefjellet -dombås-bjorli and it was -14C. The rear side/passenger wonders were fogging up like in this video, but turning the fan up to 7+ helped prevent the fogging.
20:49 You missed the opportunity to check the thermal image of the charging station and the charging cable to see if the cold temps is affecting it physically.
Pioneers of the future.
Björn is using some sort of insulation for the glas roof which will help with keeping it warm inside. This makes it hard to compare with other vehicles consumtion if you don´t insulate your car.
ruclips.net/video/VsHlTy7S7SI/видео.html
Am putting my order in this week for the 3 long range trading Up, Ireland
Hi Bjorn, I was wondering if you could make a video about the Tesla M3SR+ late 2020 MiC with the new battery. Me and a lot of other new owners are having trouble with charging speeds. No matter how warm and low the bettery is, charging doesn't get over 60 ish KW on a super charger. I've driven for hundreds of km'ers to a supercharger and warmed up the battery like crazy but still no change. On the Tesla Model 3 Netherlands group a lot of owners are complaining with even lower charging speeds. Do you know more about this? Thanks a lot in advance
frozen rear seats windows in winter is totally normal here in the middle ural region. btw here is about -20 C today.
Superb video as always Björn! :D
I'm looking forward to see some more videos of the Skoda Enyaq aswell. Do you know when that car is coming to Norway for you to test out? That is a car that I'm looking forward to as it has a lot of things that appeal to me. Keep up the good work!
Yea Bjorn, any thoughts when You can get your hands on a Enyaq?
@@lesmoore4769 I think that we are a lot of people that are curious about how it will be and perform. Living in Sweden it will be close to the testing that Björn is doing aswell :)
@@marcsimmonds5483 In Sweden some of them comes by default :) like the heat pump etc. But yes, there are some options (like for most cars?) that you can choose what you equip it with.
We shouldn’t forget the energy that is expended heating the battery on charging when assessing the efficiency.
Just because it’s “hidden” doesn’t mean it’s not part of the overall consumption.
It's lowering the consumption while driving which is what you really need during winter.
@@bjornnyland
Very true, Bjorn - I was referring to the overall efficiency figures such as ones quoted in datasheets - they rarely if ever I suspect add in the vampire drain and the like!
Vampire drain in Model 3 is very, very low.
Bjørn, thanks for all your great videos, always enjoy them!! I was wondering if it would be the liquid cooling of the cable on the ionity charger slowing it down, and then you confirmed it!!
Love your vids Bjørn 🙏
haha warum redest du so random deutsch? :D btw sehr guter test! Hat mir genau die Fakten gegeben die ich gesucht habe
Excellent video.
23:45 my ears hurt!
8:46
"Oh it's kind of stiff"
-(That's what she said)
"I have to kind of struggle to get it in!"
-That's what she said!
"I might need two hands"
-THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
*THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!*
Buy a portable hairföhn Björn! For heating up the cable while charging or maybe electric footwarmer. (With long cable to el. Outlet of course)
A/C is off because A/C is in heating mode (heat pump).
Uff would be so nice to know how you gather the metrics on the phone, and even if it is possible to put it into a time-series database.
Dauuummmm thats cold. Nice video!!
Can you also do a cold weather consumption test but not with battery at 40 C. Test a stretch where one day with a parked model 3 which has ice on the windows and cold battery and se how much energy you spend from A to B. Then do the same stretch once the car has cooled down, but with 5-10 min preconditioning and see if how much difference the total energy usage is. :)
No 40°C nearby.
@@bjornnyland Hehe no i mean the same weather but without the battery cell mid temp at 40 C. If the battery is at 0-4 C I think the results will be very different. My 2019 uses almost 250 wh/km on a regular drive with 60 kph average speed.
Oh, my bad.
One of your most interesting uploads so far. Bad PR though. When Elon sees this, hopefully you can't kiss you model (S, 3, X, Y) R goodbye
Why bad PR? Performance is amazing
Ionity is cold gating, also in Germany.
the temperature is « the guy is pooping » -4°C 😂😂😂
Hi Bjørn, fantastische Arbeit, ja!
I have a little request along the lines of your recent cold weather tests. It might be interesting for many Model 3 drivers in the cold weather:
There is a report of an issue with 3-phase AC charging the Model 3 at subzero battery temps and high charge (e.g. 80%). Here, it seems the car does not take charge from the charger, but instead uses battery power to afterburn and heat up the battery once plugged in. Only when the battery is warm enough it will allow current to flow from the charger. Why does it not take the power from the charger to run the afterburner and instead discharges the battery?
The issue was for 2019 battery, though. Interesting to see if it persists for LG battery.
Using the battery to run the afterburners would help warm the batteries up a bit quicker. Odd that it doesn’t use the wall power though. I wonder if the car was at or above the charge limit set in the car.
@@SirHackaL0t. Well, there wasn't any issue with getting enough power to run the afterburners, it was just that this power didn't come from the charger, according to ScanMyTesla. This is indeed odd behavior and my best guess is that it's a kind of battery protection feature to really not allow any charging at subzero battery temps. But I have seen it on only one car, yet.
@@zqw2m Have yo got a screenshot of the ScanMyTesla screen or the .csv file? Any chance of having a look?
tff-forum.de/t/model-3-lr-2019-ladeleistung-stromquelle-bei-kaelte/95241
First post. Sorry it‘s all German, but the numbers speak for themselves. It‘s happening whenever the battery temperature is below 0 degrees Celsius. Two different chargers were used with same result.
Informative! Appears preheating targets about 20C. In route battery chill down is counterintuitive. Where is the heat from the battery being redistributed to? V3 superchargers require 40C to get 250kw, is that possible in the winter?
wow this channel helps me a lot, here in north spain every morning in the winter are about -10º-15º, my garage has no heat its cold, if i leaves the tesla all the night charging the battery will be a nice temperature? nice content bro, helping al ot
I received my M3P i mid December. On new years day the heating stopped working. It is now fixed and Tesla explained that all new M3 have a heating sensor of poor quality. New sensors are expected i late January and all owners of the new M3 will receive a letter from Tesla where they offer to change the sensors.
Next vid will be interesting assuming tesla uses CO2 refrigerant in the heatpump which usaly only works down to -25C. So this could mean a jump in consumption during camping
Using the seat heater on the charging plug 😁
Its getting better but its still not good enough for Canadian winters.
reminds me of VW BUG at winter u need saltbag with small holes. You have to wipe the glass with that XD
want to see the same test under same environmental conditions with the Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery
I'm holding on my order until you get to test the Berlin made model 3 😏
Just got my M3P, I also saw that the back windows was fogging up, checked the fan settings on the far right side you have a icon to force airflow to the back. I assume the 3 has the same thing as the model X has, it only turns on back air vents when it is a passenger in the back.... is this a new feature on the 3? You have driven M3 long time so you should probably know Björn?
Low speed on Ionity may be caused by the cold coolant in the cable. I guess it's a safety feature.
No, it's an error in temp sensor.
Sit on the plug sounds naughty.
Windows frozen on the inside brings back memories of the '70s. In windows on a 2020 engineered car? Oh man..
The car is smart enough to not heat the rear. But if the sensors detect passengers in the rear, it will heat it up. Never heard of this tech before? Very common in EVs.
@@bjornnyland But even the rear window is frozen - not good for safety though.
Isnt all the insulation actually influencing your measurements? Or are Norwegian really driving around with insulation mats?
hate to break it to you , but your rear side windows will do the same in this extreme weather in any vehicle... especially with the rear climate control off....
@@tilted4fun805 I really doubt that. If the A/C is running properly the air inside the guy is to be dehydrated and thus no fog on any window.
I would really like to see how an Audi etron behaves in that conditions, I never had such issues in any of my Audi‘s.
@@Legotechs I do remember one of my parents’ volvo wagons had that. It is a good solution indeed, but requires a bit of effort in design and construction to have the ducts run through there. the center air vents were off... and they do have an impact on the rear side windows. also who knows what he was doing with his insulation panels. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi Björn and thank you for the video. What's your opinion on the efacec chargers? I don't think I've seen a test?
Can one preheat the battery manually in the model 3? Just in case one wants to charge spontaneously at Ionnity?
And how long does it take to heat up the battery from 0 - 20* C?
Yes, just navigate to any fast charger nearby.
What is the App Bjorn is using for the Battery-Stats? Seems cool!
Scan My Tesla (check video description).
oh nice looks like you have it in place, is it opensource?
AC dries the air. No steam/ice on windows.
Ac doesnt really work in such low temperatures. Also, cold air cant have a lot of moisture compared to warm air
Hopefully the temp inside the car is 20+ and its that air the AC is dehumidifying. Am I wrong here?
20:10 StatorTemp 126°C ? is that normal?
Yes
11:46 развеселило :)
What APP and ODB device are you using for the Battery data ?
Alles gut
Man kann es drehen und wenden, wie man will, aber die extrem gute Aerodynamik des Model 3 ist der richtige Ansatz bei einem Elektroauto. Ganz sicher nicht die SUV-Form. Macht Sport, dann braucht ihr kein Rückenauto.
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@@bjornnyland Yes!
Awesome content as always! Btw, what is that GPS device you're using? I remember you talking about it in one of your previous vids. Unfortunately, I can't remember which vid it was 😅.
GPS Test Plus
@@bjornnyland awesome! Thanks and safe travels. Can't wait for the upcoming ENiro test in -25°C video
You'd think they'd tested those charging cables below California "cold". Rubber soft below freezing is expensive
V3 should be better.
@@bjornnyland Can you check out a v3 cable for us?
@@bjornnyland I've been working with usability for some decades. A charging cable that is almost stiffer than possible to attach in cold temp is unimaginable non test to me
@@bjornnyland -25 degrees sleep over with 2021 model would be cool too.
Watch my other videos where I show the v3 cable. It's much thinner.
-20... holy hell it rarely get below -2 where im at and thats full hiberation mode :P
What’s you take on etron outselling the Model 3 in 2020 in Norway?
Model 3 outsold e-tron in December.
Model Y will be outsold every other car in EU market. Mark my word.
@@balazsberczi6611 Early days, I bet my money on Xpeng and the likes of
@@bjornnyland yay !
@@balazsberczi6611 Maybe, but Norway is a good indicator due to the large numbers sold.