I have a strong suspicion that Mjoll the Lioness was meant to start a counter-faction to Maven/Thieves guild. But pretty much all counter-factions were scrapped, except for destroying the dark brotherhood which was reduced to the bare minimum. Honestly would have loved a vigilante faction to exist.
@@1804unclesam Penitus Oculatus to counter the Dark Brotherhood. The lack of counter factions (and faction identity in general) shows me that Bethesda has lost their touch. I'm fully expecting Elder Scrolls 6 to be a massive disappointment.
@@tonyg5132 Well it makes sense only if you consider development, but even then it's kinda meh. DLCs, content updates and expansion packs have this function where a developer can reintroduce previously cut content again. Bethesda notoriously left everything as is... In-story it makes very little sense as this guy pretty much marks the super secret lair of the Dark Brotherhood on your map and tells you the password too. It's just as silly as FO4 Railroad having a red line to their secret base. MIND YOU It's not that finding the place should or would be incredibly hard, the red line is perfect for this actually. It's that no sane secret subversive organization would have their recruitment spot the same as their headquarters. It makes a technical sense so they don't have to give the player like 5 other quests before introducing it, but that's it. And I'm pretty sure most of the civil war (Season Unending) was also cut. Eventually the expansion packs, especially the vampire one puts in opposing, avaiable factions. But they never did those they, I believe, cut.
Maven: You foiled my business! The Thieves Guild will have you expelled! Dragonborn: How can the Guild expel the Guildmaster? Maven: The Dark Brotherhood will pay you a visit! Dragonborn: (Weaving the Blade of Woe) I haven't heard anything about it... Maven: 🙍♀️
Dragonborn: "Well this is kind of embarrassing, but we suspected someone was a traitor at the brotherhood, so we're a little short on manpower right now"
I actually do a similar thing with Thongvor Silver-Blood; you can get the Stormcloaks to take over Markarth, which allows him to become Jarl. Then if the Imperials retake Markarth, he (along with his right-hand man Yngvar the Singer) gets exiled to Windhelm. And if you also kill Thonar during "No One Escapes Cidhna Mine", then the Silver-Blood family basically ends up decapitated.
I had a delightful accident once, in that a vampire attack happened in Riften and Maven accidentally hit a guard. So much like what happens to the player, every time she was out and about the guards started attacking her 😅
Some more choices I wish I'd known about for roleplaying a heroic Dragonborn: - Joining the Thieves Guild isn't required to find Esbern in the main quest as the game leads the player to believe. The bartender at the Ragged Flagon, Vekel The Man, can be bribed for his location. - The Dragon Infusion perk can be acquired without killing Paarthurnax as long as the Blades' side quests are completed in the small window of time between Alduin's Wall and Alduin's Bane. - Aela the Huntress can be recruited into the Blades so the Companions can be free of werewolves. - Brother Verulus can be saved in The Taste Of Death by betraying Eola at the last minute. - The Fiery Soul Trap enchantment, scrolls, and staves can be used as an alternative to conjuration. - Molag Bal's quest, The House of Horrors, if you kill Logrolf while he is being held captive the quest immediately fails. - Hermaeus Mora's quest, Discerning the Transmundane, Septimus Signus can be killed after he gives you the dwarven lexicon and asks you to collect blood failing the quest.
The biggest piece of advice I can give you is get Jayserpa's quest expansions if you're willing to mod the game. House of Horrors can be completed immediately by talking the Vigilant member out of attacking you with a high Speech skill, or having Stendarr's amulet on you. You can then team up to destroy the altar. There's also a mod from Jayserpa that provides a heroic outcome for Whispering Door and the Peryite quest, among others. Guy also did the best mod to keep Paarhurnax alive, complete with some spliced together lines and you shouting Esbern and Delphine into submission, reminding them that they serve the Dragonborn and not the other way around.
@@dragongrandmaster there are some horrific game breaking glitches of Arcane Enchanter and Alchemy Tables that allow you to do such thing, I don't even touch them since it makes game boring and easy but for maven, it may worth it.
On my current playthrough I didn't even cross to Rifton until I reached level 30 and still had unlucky assassins coming after me. No clue who wants this poor fool dead.
One thing you got wrong: at 2:36, you say Maven has mercenaries stationed at the Golden Glow Estate. Those mercenaries were stationed by Aringoth when he sold Golden Glow to Karliah. The mercenaries Maven hired are at her own estate southeast of Riften.
As an exile, she will end up in the basement of the castle in Solitude. Now she is out of the game. Console command her so she isn't essential. Since the game does not involve her anymore, you can kill her without breaking any scripts.
I always thought it was funny how Maven's only real threat against you is either sending thugs or the dark brotherhood after you. I'm literally demi-god and I destroyed the dark brotherhood with ease. If I was in the game I would just walk up to her with the contract i looted off the assassins and tell her "better luck next time."
Or if you did the Dark Brotherhood questline inform Maven just who it is she threatened and warn her to watch her tongue or she'll get a 'tour' of the new sanctuary's torture chamber.
Edit: I appreciate the advice guys, I really do, but after the first 20 guys I expected the following 20 to realize I had already made aware of the loophole to get into the Guild without enjailing Brand-Shei xD No need to keep telling me My only issue with this walkthrough to ruin Maven is the same I have with the Thieves Guild at large. Joining requires sending poor Brand-Shei to jail, and there's no way to break him out or avoid his imprisonment to join the guild
You can also fail the quest by leaving the area (e.g. go into a building), so you don't even need to get a bounty. Brynjolf will still let you join the guild
You can even put the ring into any container or drop it somewhere (not inside the city, better put it into a barrel) and when you will talk to Brynjolf, Dragonborn will tell him that he lost it.
Maven: "I will get the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood on you!" Dragonborn while being the Listener and Leader of the Dark Brotherhood and Guild Master of the Thieves Guild: 🌝
This video is totally spot on on how to role play in these games. This specific gale is a massive sand box with many tools that allows you to role play as much as you want, well in your head sometimes, but still. This is what Skyrim is all about.
Love the video as I adore to ruin Maven. The detail about making her Jarl just in order to exile her is something I had never thought about (I usually tend not to play the civil war as I roleplay a Talos worshiper, a Thalmor hater and a loyal citizen of the Empire at the same time). And I must compliment you for your voice.
It you're all those three things, then the empire route of the civil war isn't as bad as it may seem. Truth be told, the empire doesn't really even care about the Talos worship thing - it's just a term they have to put up with now. In terms of worshipping Talos, the outcome of the civil war doesn't really matter in the long run. The only thing that will secure Talos worship, frankly speaking, is if Mankind wins the next Great War. But yeah, sticking it to Maven like this is something beautifully devious that I wish I had thought of myself. Skyrim doesn't offer a lot of these kinds of choices, so you always love to see it.
If that first part were true, then why did they lock up Heimskr in Whiterun after you do "The Defense Of Whiterun" quest for the Legion?@@smol_hornet613
Alas, but there's no ingame way to terminate her directly. This would narratively obliterate her business, though, and that's indeed a sound start insofar as a story is concerned. I'll refer to this again later.
If you approach it as someone who is seeking revenge on the Black-Briars for what they have done to your family and others, then not killing her is even better. She is left to sit in the ashes of her little empire, experiencing nothing but impotence and defeat.
As an exile, she will end up in the basement of the castle in Solitude. Now she is out of the game. Console command her so she isn't essential. Since the game does not involve her anymore, you can kill her without breaking any scripts.
Ooooooh! Maven sold my Father to the Thalmor as a Talos Worshiper. Resulting in his murder and was behind my Dragonborn almost dying at Helgen. The the Captain? The one that said "Forget the list! She goes to the block." She was paid off by Maven to ensure my death. Unfortunately, she never planned for Alduin's return to disrupt her plans.
You know I went into this skeptical. I've seen so many bait-and-switch videos with titles like this and then 3 minutes in you find out it's just some mod or exploit or debug or something. Big kudos to you. I really enjoyed this.
What would be an interesting mod would be to recruit Brand-Shei from the Riften Jail and put him in charge of either the farm over in Rorikstead, or the Severin Manor on Solsteim, giving him merchant status in both locations. Maven does threaten to kill him at one point, so he should be very eager to leave. A theory I have heard is that you were trying to get out of Skyrim at the beginning of the game, because Maven performed the Black Sacrament against you, and the Dark Brotherhood are hunting you, and when Astrid tells you that the sacrament was performed against someone in the Abandoned Shack, that someone is you. When you kill Astrid in the shack, her last words are, "well done".
Ah, finally, a way to take her down. Yes! I also liked that the presenter's voice and accent sounds like Brynjolf telling me about his secret plan in the Thieves Guild.
I somehow always end up slaughtering the majority of Markarth. One time I had high bounty (there was an... incident earlier) but had to go there for the DB, speedran the Forsworn quest to go to jail and kill Madanach, got pardoned, then Serana IMMEDIATELY aggroed on someone and, well, we kinda killed everyone.
It's very easy after the Cidhna Mine quest you can just kill Thonar Silverblood whether you help the Forsworn or not As for Thongvor you retake Markarth for the Empire and he's exiled There is no need for a lengthy video
It's a shame you can't marry Ingun Black-Briar as that would be another kick to the face for all of Maven's assets to end up inherited to you. You can marry Mjoll the Lioness who has a sort of sacred oath to protect Riften from the corruption of the Black-Briars. And I'm not sure, but I believe one of the elderly Battle-Born matriarch claims to be best friends with Maven. I think if you side with the Stormcloaks then the Grey-Manes are established as the new leaders of Whiterun which would surely flush out the Battle-Borns and their powerhold and destroy them from being in a position to help Maven as well. I really like this. It's pretty awesome you put this together!
What you did not show is Maven’s true weakness. She wanted Dragonborn killed a few times. Gave the black sacrament. If you go to her house and open up her basement. You’ll find some things which may help you defeat her.
When you download the mod "Become The High King of Skyrim", you can have her arrested! There's also another mod that lets you have Grelod arrested instead of murdered.
@@penismightier4303 You can brawl her and kill her bare-handed, and the guards won’t care. But you don’t even need to start a brawl with the mod, just talk to her and she dies.
That was a really nice look on things, I wish there was a way to destroy the thieves guild similar to the dark brotherhood(or at least leave them) without mods. As for being the dark brotherhood's leader I don't think Maven would be able perform the black sacrament on you(I mean, she could, but I don't think the Night mother would accept that), since there's actually a tenant that forbids members to kill one another, for that would "evoque the wrath of Sithis", especially considering the sacred position the listener has.
@@ohauss That's a good point. I'm going into very theoric area, but I think that there would be a very large number of contracts on maven considering how beloved she is to others😂
@@brazil460 the tenets are: Tenet I. Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis. Tenet II. Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis. Tenet III. Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis. Tenet IV. Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis. Tenet V. Never kill a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis. people tend to always disobey those, like Astrid did herself (she even mentions it in a dialog if I'm not mistaken) but given the events in the DB story line in Skyrim, I don't think any of the remaining members would dare to, not only they've learned that it's better to respect the nightmother, because they realized all the magical thing with her is very real, but also anyone who don't, would have to deal with the Dragonborn, Cicero, and whoever also sided with them, since a action like that would probably divide the members (supposing that someone would try to support the betrayer of course.)
There's a real estate mod which allows you to put insanely high taxes on your tenants. So just buy all their building and increase the rent to max to screw them over even more.
You missed the most effective way to bring her down. Make Maven jarl. Exile her. As an exile, she will end up in the basement of the castle in Solitude. Now she is out of the game. Console command her so she isn't essential. Since the game does not involve her anymore, you can kill her without breaking any scripts.
I'll gladly do all those quest, except the beehives. Even though I hate entire Black-Briars family (as most of us do), I will not let innocent animals suffer because of them. Also, the quest to get her exiled works only if you join the Stormcloaks (one more reason to do it), as only then you'll have the opportunity to recapture Riften and exile Maven. It also has the benefit of showing her true nature to jarl Laila, who, up till this moment, naively considers Maven to be her friend and trusts her (but she does not know about her shady business) - if Maven scemes to ussurp her throne come to light and she herself being in cahoots with Imperials, Laila (who herself is Stormcloaks supporter) will not only exile Maven upon her return to throne, but will probably step hardly on the entire Black-Briars family's throat (and who knows, when civil war ends and Stormcloaks rule Skyrim, Maven will have no more allies to hide her and might find herself before chopping block or under a gallows).
Bro its a video game and not that deep. Plus there are no actual bees in Skyrim, aside from the alchemy ingredient. The bees aren't an actual "animal" that moves around or that you can hit or interact with in any way.
Cool video but with 2 oversights. We CANNOT continue with the thieves guild as the next mission would force you to take out Mayven's competition Honningbrew. The other oversight is that joining the DB is not a huge issue as you could perform the black sacrement yourself against her
Maeven isn't close to the Dark Brotherhood, she just performs the sacrament and employs them like anyone else (with money) can. The Thieves Guild is Maeven's baby.
You can still join and lead the dark brotherhood the black sacrament can't be made on a member of the brotherhood. (Astrid betrayed the brotherhood so she could do the black sacrament on herself)
I found a mod that let me put a new face on Riften's throne. It's called "A Better Tomorrow" it lets you oust maven for her crimes and put a new modded character on the throne. This means you can take console commands remove maven's essential status and take her and her fam down. But this is a great vanilla way to do this.
First time here. Thanks for giving me a "Purpose" ☝ After a Gagilian play throughs, had never focused exclusively on Maven. Well done. AND, I'm just about to take care of Grelod the Kind.
I use the Thieves Guild for the Good Guys mod, and with that, I sort of “beat Maven”. She became the Jarl of Riften in the end, but the Thieves Guild held a piece of evidence that could ruin her life, so she had to operate under the blackmail of the Guild Master, the Dragonborn. But the Guild Master is one of the good guys, hence the title of the mod.😂
I love the roleplay aspect of this. This is how RPGs ought to be played! Of course it's great when the voice lines support it, but this sort of thing is what makes RPGs much more fun.
I am certain that Bethesda originally intended a quest to defeat Maven Blackbriar but, like many other things, it was never realised. Evidence of this is made clear in several ways. There are loose little bits of plot which could easily be tied together, but are not. The presence of Mjoll, and the fact that Maven has not arranged (or cannot) to jail her, despite the fact that Mjoll does not hesitate to call out Maven at every opportunity. A prisoner in the Rifton jail was celled simply for speaking against Maven. There are multiple letters, all signed by Maven, which are self-condemning. These can be found not only during guild quests, but in the guild quarters as well. Such documents could easily be gotten to the hands of Mjoll and would be hard to excuse away. Ultimately, that would lead to the exposure of her relationship with the theives guild and, as with the Skooma, force the Jarl to take action. Then there's her dark brotherhood connections. The most damning piece of evidence is in her own house: a letter next to a corpse indicating that her relationship with the assassin's guild is not quite as close as she would have you believe. The most logical move on the part of the player would be to secure the letter and cause the guards to respond to a disturbance at Black Briar Manot. Responding guards are already directed to search every shadow, which would certainly result in the discovery of the sacrament - a rather hard thing to explain away. The resulting discovery of the letter would be even harder. Bethesda took the easy way out and for some reason, cut out a lot of potentially very satisfying quests. They even went as far as to make the elimination of the Dark Brotherhood mere child's play; a two step process. The most amazing thing of all is that NO MODDER has bothered to connect all the details and fill in the missing questline. It's as though each one only saw PART of the necessary storyline, but not enough to truely make it convincing.
This is great! I LOVE the roleplaying aspects that you have touched upon here. And I would truly enjoy having you explore these ideas with more videos of how to use situations within the game to roleplay. There is a great one in Solstheim that i once used to create a whole playthrough. Neloth is a Telvanni mage who had a female assistant named Ildari Sarothril. She was obsessed with him and begged him to teach her all of his secrets. He ended up using her as an experiment for replacing a person's heart with a heartstone in order to gain great power. The experiment failed, and she died. Neloth had her body cremated, but later on we discover that she somehow survived and seeks revenge for what has been done to her. I roleplayed that Neloth also used her for sexual pleasure while she was with him, and created a dumner character who was the illegitimate son of this coupling. His background was that while his mother was alive, he lived in Neloth's house, but was never accepted by Neloth. After witnessing his mother's death through Neloth's failed experiment, he was kicked out of the house, and swore to get revenge. He travelled to Skyrim and lived in the Grey Quarter of Windhelm for a while, teaching himself the basics of magic and alchemy. Then he travelled to Winterhold and joined the Mage's College. His goal was to become powerful enough to punish Neloth for what had been done to his mother, and because he knew that Neloth was obsessed with the Black Books, he made it his mission to seek out as many as he could for himself and to prevent Neloth from having them. It made for a very interesting playthrough as my character struggled to grow as proficient in magic as he could, and to obtain all of the Black books.
"Now been the Dragon Born, a demi-god like creature, I think we can learn something from Ulfric, and that is that...someone taking a FUS-RO-DA to the face is never good, we should try this with Maven....."
Maven threatened to call the Dark Brotherhood on me once... While I was the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood. I really, really wanted to kill her right on the spot.
Just because you become Leader of the Dark Brotherhood, it doesn't mean you _have_ to follow the Night Mother. You're the only Listener, you can say what you want.
Banishing Maven is so on the nose and so the stormcloack pov I didn't even think about that option! Well I'm in for a Stormcloack run anyway right now :D
Mavens kids all have quests attached to them, but once those quests are complete, they're marked nonessential. Complete their quests with a smile, take their money and their condescending insults, and then END MAVEN'S BLOODLINE.
i loved this video. plz do the opposite where you do everything for the blackbire family. mabe do videos for/aginst all people who can become thans? or just other cool familys or popular characters. just an idea.
I do the thieves guild honey quest successfully, collect the reward - then AFTERWARDS go back and burn all the hives! I also have a habit of using the Ice Form shout on Maven if I meet her.
There are several ways to do the Letrush horse theft. I usually go to Maven and tell her because it undermine her relationship with her son (in my mind). I kill the Black Briar mercenaries and still take the horse. I always felt that Layla Lawgiver was also supposed to be Jarl with either side of the civil war because she has some unique dialogue that only unlocks after you become thane and she says Ulfric is using the Talos worship excuse for his own ambition. There is also a book sitting beside her throne that says Riften used to be much bigger but, the citizens burned it down because the city had become so corrupt. I think you were supposed to be able to rat out Maven.
@4:10 Bad news (for some players), to exile Maven, you need to join the Stormcloaks. On the other hand, as a Legionnaire, you can give Maven a pyrric victory where she's Jarl with no real power.
Here's another option to add. After making the Thieves guild independent of Maven and destroying the Dark Brotherhood as an agent of the Penitus Oculatus thanks to mods, turn her daughter Ingun into a vamp slave/thrall. Seeing as most of my characters are Vampires/Death Knights Maven cant do jack against me.
I take this a step further. In my playthroughs, I have mods where I can buy properties/businesses in Skyrim. So when I help Maven with honningbrew meadery, I buy the deed and seize the place for myself. Then I use this other mod to open my very own meadery in the Rift, crippling her business. If I’m playing a morally bankrupt character I like to poison her daughter. It’s also good if you support stormcloaks, as Maven doesn’t become Jarl that way.
Naturally, this is all in addition to seizing control of the Thieves Guild & the Dark Brotherhood through their storylines hehe Just systematically taking everything that belongs to Maven, stripping her of her power and resources.
My motive is that my Argonian character is a an escaped slave turned Plantation owner who hates Maven for her evil deeds. My character remembers how he was treated during slavery and sees Maven as doing the same to Riften. He seeks to be her nightmarish rival. Causing her to send the thalmor, dark brotherhood, saints and seducers bandits, morag tong, and hired thugs after him
wiki says the exile mechanic does not work with her due to her being too essential for too many quests in rifton so she stays there anyway. I have to try it out first, but I do trust the wiki
Am I misremembering? I recall the Goldenglow job being done at the request of Maven Blackbriar in order to send a message to the owner. Burning the hives and looting the place is helping her, not hurting her.
This is gunna sound insane but I would actually like to go the complete opposite route and be her young, dashing sugar baby. Is she an evil person with an iron grip on the underworld of Skyrim? Yes. But she's also rich. and power is sexy.
Easy easy I create my fashion I launched an invasion on Riftin I became the king and I put her head on the block on the steps, and then her brothers, and then anyone else that tried to save them. The thieves guild watched as seven people died that day, and an undead guardian ghost came out of nowhere.
What's to stop me from cleaning out Goldenglow Estate (including burning the hives) on my own? Of course, I'd have to be mindful of avoiding the pickup of certain quest items...
I mean, we can make the guild independent by bringing back the build to it’s former glory and being in charge of the dark brotherhood takes away Maven’s power if you’re against her. Even if she becomes Jarl, you’re the listener of the dark brotherhood and killed the emperor so what’s a Jarl to the brotherhood at this point? Riften is now her prison since we hold the sword of Damocles over her head and can kill her at anytime.
As much as this seems like a well thought out, but futile plan, one thing remains the same: Maven is a necessary evil in Skyrim. The main reason why she's marked as essential. Sure, she's got poison for blood, but yet she's the reason why the Thieves Guild still survived and (by my playthrough) back to full strength. Things were only bad in Riften because of Mercer's stealing and having everything fall into decline. Not Maven's fault she resorted to harsh measures, believe it or not. Not everything in this world can be pure. Just a damn straight reality, even in a fictional world.
I have a strong suspicion that Mjoll the Lioness was meant to start a counter-faction to Maven/Thieves guild. But pretty much all counter-factions were scrapped, except for destroying the dark brotherhood which was reduced to the bare minimum.
Honestly would have loved a vigilante faction to exist.
Exactly, Mjoll to counter the thieves guild. The silver hand to counter the companions. I would have loved to play either side.
@@1804unclesam Penitus Oculatus to counter the Dark Brotherhood. The lack of counter factions (and faction identity in general) shows me that Bethesda has lost their touch. I'm fully expecting Elder Scrolls 6 to be a massive disappointment.
I once had Mjoll as a companion and brought her with me into the Ragged Flagon. No issues whatsoever. It was kinda immersion breaking.
I was extremely disappointed how basic destroying the dark brotherhood was. I mean it makes sense but it just seemed anti climactic too
@@tonyg5132 Well it makes sense only if you consider development, but even then it's kinda meh. DLCs, content updates and expansion packs have this function where a developer can reintroduce previously cut content again. Bethesda notoriously left everything as is...
In-story it makes very little sense as this guy pretty much marks the super secret lair of the Dark Brotherhood on your map and tells you the password too.
It's just as silly as FO4 Railroad having a red line to their secret base.
MIND YOU
It's not that finding the place should or would be incredibly hard, the red line is perfect for this actually.
It's that no sane secret subversive organization would have their recruitment spot the same as their headquarters. It makes a technical sense so they don't have to give the player like 5 other quests before introducing it, but that's it.
And I'm pretty sure most of the civil war (Season Unending) was also cut.
Eventually the expansion packs, especially the vampire one puts in opposing, avaiable factions. But they never did those they, I believe, cut.
Maven: You foiled my business! The Thieves Guild will have you expelled!
Dragonborn: How can the Guild expel the Guildmaster?
Maven: The Dark Brotherhood will pay you a visit!
Dragonborn: (Weaving the Blade of Woe) I haven't heard anything about it...
Maven: 🙍♀️
Dragonborn: "Well this is kind of embarrassing, but we suspected someone was a traitor at the brotherhood, so we're a little short on manpower right now"
@@coloradohikertrash9958 Good old Purification. Just what Sithis ordered. 🖐💀
If only Honningbrew Meadery paid the companions to fuck with Maven....Skyrim civil war? Fuck that. Make way for the Skyrim Mead Wars
@@TheTimestopper Now THAT'S a cause worth fightin' for! 🗡😬🍺
Dark Brotherhood... You mean that huge cave full of rat meat that used to work for that Astrid chick? Trust me, I saved you the money and effort.
I already loved the roleplay aspect of this, but making Maven jarl just to exile her is just brilliant.
rise her up just to bring her down
And it's not a bad thing to take that milk drinker Laila Lawgiver down a peg for a while. ='[.]'=
I actually do a similar thing with Thongvor Silver-Blood; you can get the Stormcloaks to take over Markarth, which allows him to become Jarl. Then if the Imperials retake Markarth, he (along with his right-hand man Yngvar the Singer) gets exiled to Windhelm. And if you also kill Thonar during "No One Escapes Cidhna Mine", then the Silver-Blood family basically ends up decapitated.
Pride cometh before the fall.
@@NegativeDumpster That means we have to choose between the Silver-Bloods and Maven?
I had a delightful accident once, in that a vampire attack happened in Riften and Maven accidentally hit a guard. So much like what happens to the player, every time she was out and about the guards started attacking her 😅
BAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂 IM GONNA TRY AND DO THIS THATS GENIUS
Some more choices I wish I'd known about for roleplaying a heroic Dragonborn:
- Joining the Thieves Guild isn't required to find Esbern in the main quest as the game leads the player to believe. The bartender at the Ragged Flagon, Vekel The Man, can be bribed for his location.
- The Dragon Infusion perk can be acquired without killing Paarthurnax as long as the Blades' side quests are completed in the small window of time between Alduin's Wall and Alduin's Bane.
- Aela the Huntress can be recruited into the Blades so the Companions can be free of werewolves.
- Brother Verulus can be saved in The Taste Of Death by betraying Eola at the last minute.
- The Fiery Soul Trap enchantment, scrolls, and staves can be used as an alternative to conjuration.
- Molag Bal's quest, The House of Horrors, if you kill Logrolf while he is being held captive the quest immediately fails.
- Hermaeus Mora's quest, Discerning the Transmundane, Septimus Signus can be killed after he gives you the dwarven lexicon and asks you to collect blood failing the quest.
The biggest piece of advice I can give you is get Jayserpa's quest expansions if you're willing to mod the game. House of Horrors can be completed immediately by talking the Vigilant member out of attacking you with a high Speech skill, or having Stendarr's amulet on you. You can then team up to destroy the altar. There's also a mod from Jayserpa that provides a heroic outcome for Whispering Door and the Peryite quest, among others. Guy also did the best mod to keep Paarhurnax alive, complete with some spliced together lines and you shouting Esbern and Delphine into submission, reminding them that they serve the Dragonborn and not the other way around.
@@SpacePirateLord Thanks I'll check those out.
Conjuration is evil now?
@@nothingwrong2293yes, it has necromancy now, how did you not know it? It’s literally on the book cover
@@justnoob8141 By association with a single type of spell? Well, Ysgramor's axe deals more damage to elves, which means all weapons are evil now
I poison a wooden sword with paralysis for 5 million seconds and smack her with it.
does not work due skyrim being skyrim
@@dragongrandmaster there are some horrific game breaking glitches of Arcane Enchanter and Alchemy Tables that allow you to do such thing, I don't even touch them since it makes game boring and easy but for maven, it may worth it.
I love this cause I'm convinced maven performed the black sacrament on the dragonborn.
I keep wondering who's sending these assassins after me. Could definitely see Maven being behind it, though as Dragonborn I've made MANY enemies.
On my current playthrough I didn't even cross to Rifton until I reached level 30 and still had unlucky assassins coming after me. No clue who wants this poor fool dead.
No it was Sven if you didn’t help him.
From a lore perspective.....maybe. From a game perspective? It's just to show they're there.
They go after you even if you don't interact with anything after Helgen, so it really could be anything
You can also put down her son Sibbi by first soul trapping him. But only after completing quest "Promises to Keep". He definitely deserves it.
Too bad you can't later visit him in the soul cairn.
One thing you got wrong: at 2:36, you say Maven has mercenaries stationed at the Golden Glow Estate. Those mercenaries were stationed by Aringoth when he sold Golden Glow to Karliah. The mercenaries Maven hired are at her own estate southeast of Riften.
Puting Maven as Jarl of Riften only to exile her later is a brilliant idea. Never thought about that.
As an exile, she will end up in the basement of the castle in Solitude.
Now she is out of the game.
Console command her so she isn't essential.
Since the game does not involve her anymore, you can kill her without breaking any scripts.
How do we do that?
@@sacredpower7530so the main story without picking a faction is believe then join stormcloaks
I always thought it was funny how Maven's only real threat against you is either sending thugs or the dark brotherhood after you. I'm literally demi-god and I destroyed the dark brotherhood with ease. If I was in the game I would just walk up to her with the contract i looted off the assassins and tell her "better luck next time."
Or if you did the Dark Brotherhood questline inform Maven just who it is she threatened and warn her to watch her tongue or she'll get a 'tour' of the new sanctuary's torture chamber.
@@blunthonesty8633 even better!
another Brotherhood destruction route could be just to toss Astrid's head in front of Maven. Not very subtle, but it sends a message.
@@Al.Sulikas or leave it at the foot of her bed without being seen since you have 100 in Sneak.
@@shadow3746 The Godfather angle. I like it.
Edit: I appreciate the advice guys, I really do, but after the first 20 guys I expected the following 20 to realize I had already made aware of the loophole to get into the Guild without enjailing Brand-Shei xD No need to keep telling me
My only issue with this walkthrough to ruin Maven is the same I have with the Thieves Guild at large. Joining requires sending poor Brand-Shei to jail, and there's no way to break him out or avoid his imprisonment to join the guild
If you intentionally get caught while stealing the ring, you can still join the guild and keep Brand
@@kongilian I didn't know that! It may completely change my playthroughs going forward, hah. Thanks, man
You can also fail the quest by leaving the area (e.g. go into a building), so you don't even need to get a bounty. Brynjolf will still let you join the guild
You can even put the ring into any container or drop it somewhere (not inside the city, better put it into a barrel) and when you will talk to Brynjolf, Dragonborn will tell him that he lost it.
@@jorgedeanoperez2997 I did it my first run through by getting caught trying to pick the lock-- I wasn't sneaking.
I once stole every item from her home one time. I then proceeded to dump it all into a random hole clear over on the other side of Skyrim.
Maven: "I will get the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood on you!"
Dragonborn while being the Listener and Leader of the Dark Brotherhood and Guild Master of the Thieves Guild: 🌝
This video is totally spot on on how to role play in these games. This specific gale is a massive sand box with many tools that allows you to role play as much as you want, well in your head sometimes, but still. This is what Skyrim is all about.
Maven did not hire the mercenaries at Goldenglow, Aringoth did...
Love the video as I adore to ruin Maven. The detail about making her Jarl just in order to exile her is something I had never thought about (I usually tend not to play the civil war as I roleplay a Talos worshiper, a Thalmor hater and a loyal citizen of the Empire at the same time).
And I must compliment you for your voice.
It you're all those three things, then the empire route of the civil war isn't as bad as it may seem. Truth be told, the empire doesn't really even care about the Talos worship thing - it's just a term they have to put up with now.
In terms of worshipping Talos, the outcome of the civil war doesn't really matter in the long run. The only thing that will secure Talos worship, frankly speaking, is if Mankind wins the next Great War.
But yeah, sticking it to Maven like this is something beautifully devious that I wish I had thought of myself. Skyrim doesn't offer a lot of these kinds of choices, so you always love to see it.
If that first part were true, then why did they lock up Heimskr in Whiterun after you do "The Defense Of Whiterun" quest for the Legion?@@smol_hornet613
Alas, but there's no ingame way to terminate her directly. This would narratively obliterate her business, though, and that's indeed a sound start insofar as a story is concerned. I'll refer to this again later.
If you approach it as someone who is seeking revenge on the Black-Briars for what they have done to your family and others, then not killing her is even better. She is left to sit in the ashes of her little empire, experiencing nothing but impotence and defeat.
As an exile, she will end up in the basement of the castle in Solitude.
Now she is out of the game.
Console command her so she isn't essential.
Since the game does not involve her anymore, you can kill her without breaking any scripts.
Ooooooh! Maven sold my Father to the Thalmor as a Talos Worshiper. Resulting in his murder and was behind my Dragonborn almost dying at Helgen. The the Captain? The one that said "Forget the list! She goes to the block." She was paid off by Maven to ensure my death. Unfortunately, she never planned for Alduin's return to disrupt her plans.
You know I went into this skeptical. I've seen so many bait-and-switch videos with titles like this and then 3 minutes in you find out it's just some mod or exploit or debug or something. Big kudos to you. I really enjoyed this.
I appreciate this level of pettyness to jab at Maven
What would be an interesting mod would be to recruit Brand-Shei from the Riften Jail and put him in charge of either the farm over in Rorikstead, or the Severin Manor on Solsteim, giving him merchant status in both locations. Maven does threaten to kill him at one point, so he should be very eager to leave. A theory I have heard is that you were trying to get out of Skyrim at the beginning of the game, because Maven performed the Black Sacrament against you, and the Dark Brotherhood are hunting you, and when Astrid tells you that the sacrament was performed against someone in the Abandoned Shack, that someone is you. When you kill Astrid in the shack, her last words are, "well done".
He's actually only supposed to spend a few days in jail and be released from my understanding.
@@rustyjones7908it usually doesn't work for most play throughs
@@PrinceIsot yeah, that's something the unofficial patch corrects.
Black sacrament was actually for Astrid.
Unkillable npc not only break immersion but are also a big middle finger in the face of the player.
Ah, finally, a way to take her down. Yes! I also liked that the presenter's voice and accent sounds like Brynjolf telling me about his secret plan in the Thieves Guild.
OK, now show us how to take down the Silverbloods.
Ummm just join the Forsworn
I somehow always end up slaughtering the majority of Markarth. One time I had high bounty (there was an... incident earlier) but had to go there for the DB, speedran the Forsworn quest to go to jail and kill Madanach, got pardoned, then Serana IMMEDIATELY aggroed on someone and, well, we kinda killed everyone.
Right I definitely want to do that!!!
It's very easy after the Cidhna Mine quest you can just kill Thonar Silverblood whether you help the Forsworn or not
As for Thongvor you retake Markarth for the Empire and he's exiled
There is no need for a lengthy video
And then you can go to druadach redoubt without being attacked by forsworn and it's kind of cool
It's a shame you can't marry Ingun Black-Briar as that would be another kick to the face for all of Maven's assets to end up inherited to you.
You can marry Mjoll the Lioness who has a sort of sacred oath to protect Riften from the corruption of the Black-Briars.
And I'm not sure, but I believe one of the elderly Battle-Born matriarch claims to be best friends with Maven. I think if you side with the Stormcloaks then the Grey-Manes are established as the new leaders of Whiterun which would surely flush out the Battle-Borns and their powerhold and destroy them from being in a position to help Maven as well.
I really like this. It's pretty awesome you put this together!
Lore-Wise Bend Will her to sign over all her shit and then have her off herself.
I can’t help but think of that Sopranos/Skyrim video whenever you mention Riften.
6:40 It will go down in history as the Riften Mead Party!
What you did not show is Maven’s true weakness. She wanted Dragonborn killed a few times. Gave the black sacrament. If you go to her house and open up her basement. You’ll find some things which may help you defeat her.
She keeps doing the black sacrament but no one is responding
When you download the mod "Become The High King of Skyrim", you can have her arrested! There's also another mod that lets you have Grelod arrested instead of murdered.
I like the mod that lets you yell and Grelod, and she has a heart attack and dies.
@@soundpreacherShe has like one hit point, wouldn't a Fus Ro Dah kill her without any mods? Might have to try it on my next playthrough now.
@@penismightier4303 You can brawl her and kill her bare-handed, and the guards won’t care. But you don’t even need to start a brawl with the mod, just talk to her and she dies.
this is the perfect video for me, every playthrough when I get bored I take over her role as being feared in riften.
That was a really nice look on things, I wish there was a way to destroy the thieves guild similar to the dark brotherhood(or at least leave them) without mods. As for being the dark brotherhood's leader I don't think Maven would be able perform the black sacrament on you(I mean, she could, but I don't think the Night mother would accept that), since there's actually a tenant that forbids members to kill one another, for that would "evoque the wrath of Sithis", especially considering the sacred position the listener has.
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that you'd have to fulfill black sacraments on others.to further Maven's agenda.
@@ohauss That's a good point. I'm going into very theoric area, but I think that there would be a very large number of contracts on maven considering how beloved she is to others😂
Citations please, my experience with the Cheydinhal brotherhood suggests there is no such tenant
@@brazil460Because of Astrid, but the walls still hold the plaques stating the tenants.
@@brazil460 the tenets are:
Tenet I. Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet II. Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet III. Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet IV. Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet V. Never kill a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
people tend to always disobey those, like Astrid did herself (she even mentions it in a dialog if I'm not mistaken) but given the events in the DB story line in Skyrim, I don't think any of the remaining members would dare to, not only they've learned that it's better to respect the nightmother, because they realized all the magical thing with her is very real, but also anyone who don't, would have to deal with the Dragonborn, Cicero, and whoever also sided with them, since a action like that would probably divide the members (supposing that someone would try to support the betrayer of course.)
There's a real estate mod which allows you to put insanely high taxes on your tenants. So just buy all their building and increase the rent to max to screw them over even more.
One better, use Bend Will on her and have her dance naked in the streets and get arrested for public indecency(lore imagination wise, not game wise)
You missed the most effective way to bring her down.
Make Maven jarl. Exile her.
As an exile, she will end up in the basement of the castle in Solitude.
Now she is out of the game.
Console command her so she isn't essential.
Since the game does not involve her anymore, you can kill her without breaking any scripts.
I love the narration style voice over. Feels very immersive.
I'll gladly do all those quest, except the beehives. Even though I hate entire Black-Briars family (as most of us do), I will not let innocent animals suffer because of them. Also, the quest to get her exiled works only if you join the Stormcloaks (one more reason to do it), as only then you'll have the opportunity to recapture Riften and exile Maven. It also has the benefit of showing her true nature to jarl Laila, who, up till this moment, naively considers Maven to be her friend and trusts her (but she does not know about her shady business) - if Maven scemes to ussurp her throne come to light and she herself being in cahoots with Imperials, Laila (who herself is Stormcloaks supporter) will not only exile Maven upon her return to throne, but will probably step hardly on the entire Black-Briars family's throat (and who knows, when civil war ends and Stormcloaks rule Skyrim, Maven will have no more allies to hide her and might find herself before chopping block or under a gallows).
Bro its a video game and not that deep. Plus there are no actual bees in Skyrim, aside from the alchemy ingredient. The bees aren't an actual "animal" that moves around or that you can hit or interact with in any way.
@@SamFisher007 It's called a RP, and some people (me included) play games mostly that way
@@mausolus8466 Yes and I do the same. It's just weird to not burn the hives for the sake of the "bees" that aren't actually there lol.
Stealing from people ✅
Killing bees ❌
@@SamFisher007 none of it is there. Maybe don't nitpick other people's roleplay in a roleplaying game 🙂
Cool video but with 2 oversights. We CANNOT continue with the thieves guild as the next mission would force you to take out Mayven's competition Honningbrew. The other oversight is that joining the DB is not a huge issue as you could perform the black sacrement yourself against her
Very well put together and entertaining video. Would love to see more!
Maeven isn't close to the Dark Brotherhood, she just performs the sacrament and employs them like anyone else (with money) can. The Thieves Guild is Maeven's baby.
Im going about it the long way via marriage to her Daughter and lining up myself as her successor 😂
You can still join and lead the dark brotherhood the black sacrament can't be made on a member of the brotherhood. (Astrid betrayed the brotherhood so she could do the black sacrament on herself)
I found a mod that let me put a new face on Riften's throne. It's called "A Better Tomorrow" it lets you oust maven for her crimes and put a new modded character on the throne. This means you can take console commands remove maven's essential status and take her and her fam down. But this is a great vanilla way to do this.
There's a mod to arrested Grelog the kind but as far as I can tell it doesn't work for me
I like your approach, and look forward to more videos of this nature :)
First time here. Thanks for giving me a "Purpose" ☝ After a Gagilian play throughs, had never focused exclusively on Maven. Well done. AND, I'm just about to take care of Grelod the Kind.
The only part of this I wouldn't follow is exiling her, because I always will side with the Empire. Doing the rest might already be enough
There’s a way to kill one of her sons. He becomes non-essential after you complete certain missions.
Thank you for a great roleplaying concept in the game.
I use the Thieves Guild for the Good Guys mod, and with that, I sort of “beat Maven”. She became the Jarl of Riften in the end, but the Thieves Guild held a piece of evidence that could ruin her life, so she had to operate under the blackmail of the Guild Master, the Dragonborn.
But the Guild Master is one of the good guys, hence the title of the mod.😂
I love the roleplay aspect of this. This is how RPGs ought to be played! Of course it's great when the voice lines support it, but this sort of thing is what makes RPGs much more fun.
Maiven:So cute......but I still rule the city....
:) Excellent, cleaning up Riften is always a part of my playthroughs.
Nah the best way to ruin her life is to marry her daughter, now you're her son-in-law. :^)
A worthy quest, great video!
This guy's voice is amazing, I'd love to see him work with lore videos
it's an AI text to speech if I'm not mistaken
@@disenchanter ahhh that makes sense
@@disenchanter Is it supposed to sound like the Dunmer voice?
truly inventive thinking
I like how Maven is cooking when you restore the thieves guild
She's the reason why I joined the stormcloaks
If you pick the lock of a safe in the Blackbriar manor, you can read an angry note Maven has for Astrid where Maven complains about being ignored 😂
I am certain that Bethesda originally intended a quest to defeat Maven Blackbriar but, like many other things, it was never realised. Evidence of this is made clear in several ways. There are loose little bits of plot which could easily be tied together, but are not. The presence of Mjoll, and the fact that Maven has not arranged (or cannot) to jail her, despite the fact that Mjoll does not hesitate to call out Maven at every opportunity. A prisoner in the Rifton jail was celled simply for speaking against Maven. There are multiple letters, all signed by Maven, which are self-condemning. These can be found not only during guild quests, but in the guild quarters as well. Such documents could easily be gotten to the hands of Mjoll and would be hard to excuse away. Ultimately, that would lead to the exposure of her relationship with the theives guild and, as with the Skooma, force the Jarl to take action.
Then there's her dark brotherhood connections. The most damning piece of evidence is in her own house: a letter next to a corpse indicating that her relationship with the assassin's guild is not quite as close as she would have you believe. The most logical move on the part of the player would be to secure the letter and cause the guards to respond to a disturbance at Black Briar Manot. Responding guards are already directed to search every shadow, which would certainly result in the discovery of the sacrament - a rather hard thing to explain away. The resulting discovery of the letter would be even harder.
Bethesda took the easy way out and for some reason, cut out a lot of potentially very satisfying quests. They even went as far as to make the elimination of the Dark Brotherhood mere child's play; a two step process.
The most amazing thing of all is that NO MODDER has bothered to connect all the details and fill in the missing questline. It's as though each one only saw PART of the necessary storyline, but not enough to truely make it convincing.
your voice. wow. "On today's episode of National Geographic"
i just love it
This is great! I LOVE the roleplaying aspects that you have touched upon here.
And I would truly enjoy having you explore these ideas with more videos of how to use situations within the game to roleplay.
There is a great one in Solstheim that i once used to create a whole playthrough. Neloth is a Telvanni mage who had a female assistant named Ildari Sarothril. She was obsessed with him and begged him to teach her all of his secrets. He ended up using her as an experiment for replacing a person's heart with a heartstone in order to gain great power. The experiment failed, and she died. Neloth had her body cremated, but later on we discover that she somehow survived and seeks revenge for what has been done to her.
I roleplayed that Neloth also used her for sexual pleasure while she was with him, and created a dumner character who was the illegitimate son of this coupling. His background was that while his mother was alive, he lived in Neloth's house, but was never accepted by Neloth.
After witnessing his mother's death through Neloth's failed experiment, he was kicked out of the house, and swore to get revenge. He travelled to Skyrim and lived in the Grey Quarter of Windhelm for a while, teaching himself the basics of magic and alchemy. Then he travelled to Winterhold and joined the Mage's College.
His goal was to become powerful enough to punish Neloth for what had been done to his mother, and because he knew that Neloth was obsessed with the Black Books, he made it his mission to seek out as many as he could for himself and to prevent Neloth from having them.
It made for a very interesting playthrough as my character struggled to grow as proficient in magic as he could, and to obtain all of the Black books.
"Now been the Dragon Born, a demi-god like creature, I think we can learn something from Ulfric, and that is that...someone taking a FUS-RO-DA to the face is never good, we should try this with Maven....."
Maven threatened to call the Dark Brotherhood on me once... While I was the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood. I really, really wanted to kill her right on the spot.
Just because you become Leader of the Dark Brotherhood, it doesn't mean you _have_ to follow the Night Mother. You're the only Listener, you can say what you want.
Banishing Maven is so on the nose and so the stormcloack pov I didn't even think about that option! Well I'm in for a Stormcloack run anyway right now :D
making maven the Jarl and retaking the city doesnt actually exile Maven and her crew, it really just puts her back to her original titles
Interesting video. I even like AI voice really got storyteller mood :D
Mavens kids all have quests attached to them, but once those quests are complete, they're marked nonessential. Complete their quests with a smile, take their money and their condescending insults, and then END MAVEN'S BLOODLINE.
You know, I was hoping for mod recommendations. Alas, to the Nexus for the search.
M'aiq disapproves! This one loves Mommy Maven!
There's an AOC video in my recommends, so I'm watching this whole video with AOC's face right next to it. Damn she looks like Maven!
The thieves guild is inherently the funniest questline of all time because you can botch nearly every single job in it
I'll admit, starting the Riften Mead Party does sound appealing
But if you're leader of the Dark Brotherhood, it's guaranteed sooner or later somebody is going to perform the Black Sacrament on Maven xD
I wish there was a mod to put dark brotherhood hits out on ppl.
i loved this video. plz do the opposite where you do everything for the blackbire family. mabe do videos for/aginst all people who can become thans? or just other cool familys or popular characters. just an idea.
I do the thieves guild honey quest successfully, collect the reward - then AFTERWARDS go back and burn all the hives!
I also have a habit of using the Ice Form shout on Maven if I meet her.
There are several ways to do the Letrush horse theft. I usually go to Maven and tell her because it undermine her relationship with her son (in my mind). I kill the Black Briar mercenaries and still take the horse. I always felt that Layla Lawgiver was also supposed to be Jarl with either side of the civil war because she has some unique dialogue that only unlocks after you become thane and she says Ulfric is using the Talos worship excuse for his own ambition. There is also a book sitting beside her throne that says Riften used to be much bigger but, the citizens burned it down because the city had become so corrupt. I think you were supposed to be able to rat out Maven.
We do know one thing for certain: from some reason she put a hit out on us, pre-game. That's how we get captured trying to flee to Hammerfell.
Based on what information cause the charector is caught crossing the border
You wanna take down Maven Black-Briar?
Use Shadowman maven NPCs 25 - Maven a Cougar in Heat - Sexlab and Flower Girls.
@4:10
Bad news (for some players), to exile Maven, you need to join the Stormcloaks.
On the other hand, as a Legionnaire, you can give Maven a pyrric victory where she's Jarl with no real power.
From what i read she doesnt even get exiled. She just goes back to her previous position due to her being an important npc and powerful in riften
"My title is just a formality. I've always been in charge around here" - Maven Black Briar
Here's another option to add. After making the Thieves guild independent of Maven and destroying the Dark Brotherhood as an agent of the Penitus Oculatus thanks to mods, turn her daughter Ingun into a vamp slave/thrall. Seeing as most of my characters are Vampires/Death Knights Maven cant do jack against me.
I kind of tend to make it a point to be the head of every possible faction.
It always pissed me off knowing when I joined the imperial Legion that maven would become jarl
I take this a step further. In my playthroughs, I have mods where I can buy properties/businesses in Skyrim. So when I help Maven with honningbrew meadery, I buy the deed and seize the place for myself.
Then I use this other mod to open my very own meadery in the Rift, crippling her business.
If I’m playing a morally bankrupt character I like to poison her daughter.
It’s also good if you support stormcloaks, as Maven doesn’t become Jarl that way.
Naturally, this is all in addition to seizing control of the Thieves Guild & the Dark Brotherhood through their storylines hehe
Just systematically taking everything that belongs to Maven, stripping her of her power and resources.
Personally, I wish there was a way to recruit NPCs into the Dark Brotherhood. I'd scoop up that peachy poisoner Ingun...
Sorry Maven, it's just good business.😏
My motive is that my Argonian character is a an escaped slave turned Plantation owner who hates Maven for her evil deeds. My character remembers how he was treated during slavery and sees Maven as doing the same to Riften. He seeks to be her nightmarish rival. Causing her to send the thalmor, dark brotherhood, saints and seducers bandits, morag tong, and hired thugs after him
Maven does have assassins coming after our character during the game, for me that was enough to make her life difficult.
I’m confused, you can make a peace treaty for the war but still capture riften and exile Maven? How?
You can burn her (and other essential NPCs) into an ash pile by casting Reanimate Corpse on them
wiki says the exile mechanic does not work with her due to her being too essential for too many quests in rifton so she stays there anyway. I have to try it out first, but I do trust the wiki
I would love to see a video like this on taking down the Silverbloods.
I destroyed the dark brotherhood for one reason only. I wanted red Hammerfell garb for my Redguard.
Am I misremembering? I recall the Goldenglow job being done at the request of Maven Blackbriar in order to send a message to the owner. Burning the hives and looting the place is helping her, not hurting her.
You're only supposed to burn 3, not all of them. Burning all of them is bad, she still needs the honey for mead
This is gunna sound insane but I would actually like to go the complete opposite route and be her young, dashing sugar baby. Is she an evil person with an iron grip on the underworld of Skyrim? Yes. But she's also rich. and power is sexy.
Easy easy I create my fashion I launched an invasion on Riftin I became the king and I put her head on the block on the steps, and then her brothers, and then anyone else that tried to save them. The thieves guild watched as seven people died that day, and an undead guardian ghost came out of nowhere.
It was truly wild to see the thieves guild out but they just stood there and watched all the carnage unfold it’s pretty wild in my opinion
What's to stop me from cleaning out Goldenglow Estate (including burning the hives) on my own? Of course, I'd have to be mindful of avoiding the pickup of certain quest items...
I mean, we can make the guild independent by bringing back the build to it’s former glory and being in charge of the dark brotherhood takes away Maven’s power if you’re against her. Even if she becomes Jarl, you’re the listener of the dark brotherhood and killed the emperor so what’s a Jarl to the brotherhood at this point? Riften is now her prison since we hold the sword of Damocles over her head and can kill her at anytime.
As much as this seems like a well thought out, but futile plan, one thing remains the same: Maven is a necessary evil in Skyrim. The main reason why she's marked as essential. Sure, she's got poison for blood, but yet she's the reason why the Thieves Guild still survived and (by my playthrough) back to full strength. Things were only bad in Riften because of Mercer's stealing and having everything fall into decline. Not Maven's fault she resorted to harsh measures, believe it or not. Not everything in this world can be pure. Just a damn straight reality, even in a fictional world.
🤣🤣🤣 dis brilliance!