WHO IS THIS FOR || HeroQuest: First Light OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED
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It's for people who might be hesitant to drop 100 bucks on a board game they haven't played. Having a lower priced introductory base game will help bring more people into the hobby, and a smaller box/ lower price will also encourage more retailers to stock it.
That's all there is to it. Don't have anything else to say.
Wait you mean there is a less than $135 entrance fee??? fml 😢
A hundred bucks?!?! I wish lol. in Canada for a new copy its like $160. its seen it go up to 200 on amazon... shipped and sold by amazon lol. I wish the game was 100 lol
The Good: Additional content from AH is always good.
The Bad: Sounds like Watered down version.
The Ugly: That box art.
Hopefully it'll have the female dwarf and female wizard sculpts
It is wild that they went from a playful D&D 3.5e art style in everything including the sculpts to this overcooked AI-generated mush.
Absolutely. I didn't mind the cartoon style that much. But compared to this, that was DAVINCI!
I am leaving D&D, and I am moving over to GURPS 4th Edition. Their artwork is not AI-generated, and their 4th edition has been around for 20 years, and they are still making more products for it. They also have a flexible rule system with a lot more options. A lot of people are going over to GURPS. Businesses only understand money, so you have to vote with your dollar.
@@suicidaleuphoria7012 It's not AI generated, Artist is Clark Mitchell
@@Yorkshirelad720 Doesn't mean he didn't take a shortcut and start with an AI prompt. The odd perspective on the Barbarian's sword, the goofy hands on the Dwarf and Elf. But yes, that doesn't mean it's DEFINITELY AI. Maybe the artist just isn't very good? lol
@@s.spikoski5120jesus what a snob the everyday man has become. Go touch grass
HeroQuest has always allowed you to "make your own content". In the era of cheap minis, 3D printing, free sharing on the internet, etc., the only reason to get more excited about new OFFICIAL HeroQuest content is aesthetic coherence - high quality art and sculptures that match the main product and all the other expansions. Without that aspect, I might as well just use minis from other games, buy cheap minis online, etc. and be happy with what I have; there is nothing inherently BETTER about official expansions otherwise. So if this expansion breaks that (and judging by the cover, it very well might), the era of "must have" expansions is over - you might as well just download PDFs of the questbook/cards and use whatever you have on hand for everything else.
Hasbro does not care what you think or the fans think. The mud has hit the fan in the D&D community. This is the third time they have gotten busted for using AI art in D&D. People are canceling their subscriptions and leaving Wizards of the Coast, a Hasbro division, in droves. Too many people are claiming that the Talisman 5th Edition looks AI. You can take up for Avalon Hill all that you want, but it is not looking good in Hasbro. They are scurrying to do damage control. I guess they should have listened to their fans.
That's why I keep saying I wouldn't be surprised if they give us the witch Lord, sir ragnor, or mentor.
still hoping the box art is a place holder like the jungles box that was leaked
have you seen the hi res image AH put out? this is def the box. Hi res looks much better
Oh God must I look at that UGLY cover art AGAIN??? MY EYES! THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING!!!
😆 🤣 I'm sooo sorry!
This has the feeling of an idea passed down from on high from "corporate". Poorly thought out and no one cares enough to give it any love or care. Hope I'm wrong.
I hope so too. Low expectations but high hopes for what's inside.
To me, Hero Quest Cover always look like mobile games 😢😢😢😢
I think it's a good addition to introduce new players to the system. But not as interesting as the other expansions for the veterans.
Let's see what they would NEED for a complete system and have stuff for new&old players?
1. Maybe a quadrant fold map to fit the box? Or even a paper map.
2. Four heroes
3. One basic quest book, new quest for older players?
4. A full set of basic cards. Including hero cards.
5. Hero minis.
6. Honestly... I think they can get away with cardstock monster minis for a basic set. Maybe 1 of each plastic mini just to get you started of they feel generous.
7.Cardstock furniture.
8. And of course, dice and hero data pages.
All in all you can have a minimum of things to get you started and be ready to play the basics. And build off of the set with expansions. YES it is going to he cheaper, YES there will be less things in the box, and YES the original box will be better. That is the point. A cheaper smaller entry level box set to let people buy the game and not get scared off by a big price tag. If they like it? Heck... Then they get to either hunt down the big set?... Or buy the expansions and start building fron there.
Found your channel and subbed yesterday because I was looking for new Heroquest stuff. And now this.... Colour me curious....
What makes me nervous is the cardboard standees. I will stop buying expansions if they go the Gloomhaven route.
Hero Quest is simple as hell. Why would you need a smaller introduction? And Hero Quest WAS in normal toy stores back in the 80s. This is dumb.
As now AH revealed a name of the artist (whatever he really did), I wonder... as I am not fluent in english, would it be any nuance in the announce of AH about the covert art that leaks this art cover is a fake and that in GenCon a new brand new human made (even with AI help) meaningfull as the arts were is revealed ? :s
I don't like the idea of this box. if people want to play the game and try it out, they should stick with the starter box that has everything in it. this looks like they are going to go back to cardboard furniture which is bad idea. People like me who own everything will still buy it because we want the monsters and possibly new quests though. it seems like a money grab from old users not new ones.
I’m not expecting much. Avalon Hill can’t even draw a straight broadsword (look at the handle).
If its ai art on the cover I wont buy it. And I was the target for this product. I been wanting to buy Heroquest since the first game but also been too expensive.
is good title but i will prefer
As always, great video!
I am curious what's in the box and will investigate further!
2:58 Every collector not wanting to spend $150-$300 on the Guardian Knight set feels this immensely.
Completionist, I was lucky just barely for my order in on Guardians on time, still took them 3 months to ship it but I got it. and I have Everything BUT the Ugly purple dice and Mat from convention, didnt want them, BUT i did buy special HQ dice different colors for EVERY HERO to date plus my Cleric I designed. Still yet to paint the new Hasbro version, my 2 Old original HQs I painted long ago, I just like to have it all before I start, they look more cohesive ... But the way Hasbro is going that weant be anytime soon LoL
Also Ash have you seen the I.G comments on the First Light post? They are getting SAVAGED for the A.I boxart. Fanbase is united✊🏻
Good.
And still no Advanced Quest version.
A youtuber from Germany said that First Light is only a Starter box and not a Basic Box in his opinion. In the Tabletop Hobby is it sinilar in some Way.
I can agree. Although if you get First Light, you'll be able to pair it with any expansion. It'll look funky, but it'll have everything the core box has mechanically!
Hmmm… whatever it is, HQ cannot possibly more streamlined I don’t think to attract younger players. First HQ I’m not planning to buy at this point.
I rather like the mention of it having roleplay elements. The only real streamline I can think of is combining searches into one action. Some homebrewers have done this when their players found it too lengthy to use an action to search for traps every room.
My only real complain is the art
My prediction: the box has 4 hero minis in it, and that’s it as far as minis go. Each of the hero’s will have new poses, perhaps equipped with different weapons or armour. The monsters will all be standees, the furniture will be tiles, and board will either be some kind of paper map of the standard board, or larger tiles of rooms and corridors that can be placed to create unique maps (I’m hoping it’s the later). It will, of course, make use of the mobile app like everything else. The MSRP will be 40.00.
That's a pretty good prediction. I have to agree with you!
Yo ash wrong again
Not ai art
They released a statement about it
Maybe public apology
Not taken shots at you just a heads up
No, definitely AI. They poured gasoline on that fire. I understand the sentiment, and they do have plausible deniability in that the artist they commissioned may not have disclosed his methods, but....yes.
"Proud to announce HeroQuest: AI Edition"
Seems like nonsense to me.
Is this the ‘2025 revision’ that was rumoured?
Almost assuredly so.
What if... it is a "Dark Company" style re-release? The same basic set but with added missions as in the 1992 edition...
I still think this is place holder art they distribute to stores for pre-order purposes. Just like the weird Jungles art that a few sites had prior to the actual reveal. Until I see a physical box with this art, this is a place holder. I think there's a place for AI art to be used, especially internally and to get something done ASAP for a place holder, and so long as they DO end up using an actual artist for their final product, I don't see why people get so upset. In a world without AI art, this would be a box with an X on it that says "Image coming soon" and I don't think anyone is better served by that. All that being said, if this IS the final art, I'll shrug and buy it anyway because it's HeroQuest. I have a TON of ideas of what SHOULD be in the box (to aid new players and enhance what old players already have) but I guess we'll just wait and see.
They're in the business to make money so they have to cut corners somewhere.
The more and more I hear about this, the more and more I'm starting to think it's going to be presented at the Avalon Hill game nights at game stores this summer. Since it was implied that the stores will be running the event (I mean, they could have someone volunteer maybe...not sure), or if it will be one of those, "Here's the game! Try it out!" sort-of-deals, then yes, this would be a very easy way to introduce people to HeroQuest.
Again, I stand by what I said before - it's already pretty simple to understand and play, but I do agree that this is about the introductory price tag. Again, until we get more information, all we can do is speculate.
yeah that's definitely AI generated art, and honestly I'm disappointed that they're using AI to create the art, it just doesn't stand up to the quality of art work on previous boxes, I could probably get past the cover, but if it's got AI on the box the books will likely have AI art too. This is looking like it may be the beginning of the end of heroquest.
It's not "Crypt of Perpetual Darkness", I have the core game, therefore I don't need it, so I HATE IT!!!
Hi ash When is this is coming out for sale
We will get confirmation at GenCon, although we might get some leaked dates before then.
I like that artwork (yes, it's no Les Edwards). I do hope they have alternate sculpts of the heroes in this box, along with other similar modifications that would add variability to existing collections.
The final product maybe different from this picture.
Would be hilarious if theart was real, the artist must feel like a sucker that wasted all his time amd skill for people think it is fake
They should produce a male warlock in honor of Julian Sands to include with this. Anyway, A.I. art, while fine unto itself, will only cause problems going forth for those who abuse it. Creative outlets necessitate passion to remain viable. The subconscious evocation of hand drawn artistry is that it inspires onlookers to explore their own potential; reminding us that humanity can achieve remarkable things. The more society is trained to rely on computerized apathy as a source of fulfillment, the less emphasis will be placed the worth on personal interconnection; hence the danger of the proverbial Stepford Wife.
If we're not challenged, we'll naturally gravitate towards whatever pleasure is most accessible - becoming functionally akin to field beasts. Theologically speaking; this is anecdotal evidence of why people will eventually allow Satan to brand them like livestock.
I clutch my pearls. I’m not a fan of the A.I. Art & hope that Hasbro/Avalonhill does not continue on this trajectory. Where’s the wizards cape? Where is the Elf’s right thumb? Why does the dwarf look like Brian Blessed - or is this intended to merge heroquest with Flash Gordon 😉? Why is Tom cruise the barbarian? What is the packaging depicting… dragon scales 🧐?
Is it a box of new quests & thick with double sided tiles to compliment the original game system with the cheaper card furniture & doors.
The AI box art doesn't bother me, aesthetically speaking. The part about it that does bother me is that it's putting a human artist out of a job and HeroQuest art done by real people is pretty legendary. That said, I was hoping First Light would be a prequel to the base game and not just a more affordable repackaging of it.
In regards to AI, it does bug me. To be honest I'll probably still cave and buy it. But since Hasbro is supposedly all about DEI, staffing AI is EXclusive to people in general. I know they only care more about profit as a business, but ethically it's wrong.
seeing what celphalofair did to gloomhaven with jaws of the lion. AH is smart to release something similar to it for entry level and people who can't drop a lot of money for the main system.
It must be playable with what's in the box, so either a smaller board, or a thinner original board. It clearly has the original heroes, probably the same sculpts. Original rulebook, and maybe half the original monsters plus the same cards. Obviously nothing here for current players. So it must have new quests, which is the only thing that will get me to buy.
I believe this set has it's origins in a corporate desire to create a larger audience for the game. They seem to be trying to get people with a cheaper buy-in and wider exposure on retail shelves. I'm all for that.
I will definitely buy this, regardless of AI art.
As sad as it would be to have AI art throughout the game, it would be much worse if they stopped producing content altogether.
Just my opinion.
I bet it has cardboard standees, which will bring the cost down a huge amount. maybe a Sheet with Equipment like the original had, instead of the seperate cards, and you dont really need monster cards with the screen.
I’d love to see it be cheaper so more people can get into it. Along with expanding the game. Don’t necessarily like ai art and do fear it may be just a cash grab. I’m sure I’ll get it to do usual product review on my ranarius Ashkevron channel
It looks like the pieces, other than the characters, are standees rather than miniatures. That makes sense if the price-drop is considerable but perhaps difficult to integrate with expansions and their phenomenal plastic.
They can make and ship more of these quickly and lightly, and stack them on shelves alongside the expansions. So a smaller cheaper SKU that is more appealing to retailers and new players, and parents as its cheaper!!!
I've been loving the game and I plan on preordering this when I'm able to do so, but the AI art is just terrible.
...also, as a side note, you should reach out and do a video with Guerilla Miniature Games. A bit of Ash vs. Ash. Or, the Ash and Ash Connection.
I really don't like AI generated material. Hope they will not take that way. Otherwise all the magic around Heroquest will disappear
I bought the base game last week from Amazon for $66. So your not saving a ton if priced like an expansion, but yea I get it.
I would really love a reprint or update of dragonstrike through the heroquest brand :)
Also, I have a few minor thoughts about this one.... - with a reduced price, I can see them going down the route of minimal miniatures, possibly just the heroes as physical minis, with cardboard standees for monsters. Minimal furnishings/scatter stuff in the box as well - those are obvious first points to cut down costs. With regards to quests, I suspect we'll be looking at a mix of some new, and some re-done quests as well. Not sure how the rules can be simplified at all. I'm also currently undecided between a jigsaw style hard cardboard... board... or a fold out paper map. Since they've said it'll be compatible with all existing content, they can't over simplify, unless they include a "this is how you convert the stuff between versions".
Either way, I'll add this to my list of Heroquest stuff I need to get....
(and I wrote this before I got to the end of your video, and I noticed a lot of your points and mine match!)
I payed $14.99 for first edition and $6.99 for each of the 3 expansions back in 1999.
I will buy at least one copy, but the quality of the horrible AI box art does not give me confidence as to the quality to what is on the inside of the box.
I suspect we will see a simpler (not sure how, but hey ho that's the world we live in) version of the game for new players. The veterans will maybe get the alt. sculpts from the Mythic set in the original colors.
HeroQuest base in Canada is $189.99..So here is hoping it is cheaper.
As small of a chance as it may be now that they have already officially shared it, I still REALLY hope its still a proxy image 😢
It will most definitely have flat pack DreadVeil di that has eerie fluorescent glows of colour drawn on.
This sounds like a reboot of the reboot. I think we're looking at the end of HeroQuest again.
I truly hope not, but you aren't the first to suggest this or something similar.
I don't think so, if they want to introduce the game to more players is because the made more contrnt in near future.
I bet they just do away with the gameboard and use tiles instead which will be the "added extra" for veteran players
Good video as always Ash
The cover depicts the heroes outside so I’m going to take a guess that there be 4 outside boards (that are double sided, the reverse being modular being the classic dungeon board).
That will give something for the veterans.
Only very wrong about it not being official. Your analysis of the box art was spot-on.
I'd predict the miniatures are replaced by plastic standing picture pieces
That was my thinking too, standies and a paper map.
If they are allowed to use the content of the japanese version of classic hq, it might feature some of that stuff, like the magic for example.
THERE IS A NEW COVER (thank goodness)
Wizards of Zagron! The best expansion is still not revealed 😢
I can say I will be waiting for them to release way more content before I decide if I’m getting this.
I think this is great. An easy buy in option for new players.
If this is supposed to attract people to the game, they should definitely have bothered to pay an artist!
28:59 I would invest in your takeover of hq oh mighty sir of ash
I’ll be more upset if this is the art style that we see on gain pieces and cards, etc.
I wonder if it will include a plank quest book
I'm still gonna buy it, but that box is gonna get shoved to the bottom of the stack.
I wish they would make a necromancer class for players
its always a good thing to get new people to play the greatest game ever made
Confirmed: Zargon is an AI machine!
I like to see the cards skill for the dwarf and barberian
This is AWESOME, and YOU'RE AWESOME
On the other hand, the Instagram post might just be Avalon Hill trying to get ahead of the leak, and they didn't have a final version of the cover to present to us. It's weird that they didn't just say "cover art not final" if that's the case, so I find it less likely, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt :)
I like that take.
As a fan who had the original as a child and backed the crowdfunding for the new version and has bought all the new expansions & character packs I feel this product isn’t for me… but I’ll likely buy it regardless. That said I completely understand the business reasons for a product like this and if it brings in new players who help make future releases more viable then I’m all for it.
RE: The use of AI - it’s extremely disappointing and I’ll likely still buy it but under protest and would prefer it not to be used again going forward especially not for creating quests and writing game content.
Just seen on IG that Avalon Hill have put up a post to address the art. They are crediting Clark Mitchell for the art.
I saw! Ill address next BwodeCast, but that was very much like pouring gasoline on a fire to put it out.
I'm afraid it made things a bit worse for them, as far as those who care about the art usage goes.
Yeah I really want the perpetual darkness hope it's that
It’s probably modelled on Marvel Zombies: Heroes Resistance. That was a cut down version of the larger and very expensive Marvel zombicide game. It has a few minis and the rest of the components/figures are made from card. It’s a great idea for getting people into a game. Unfortunately this AI art is terrible.
This is an interesting perspective. It makes me want to look into that system so I can compare and contrast-- thanks for that!
I hate AI art, and I like to think I know it when I see it.. I'm not sure about the box art here... however Avalon Hill are adamant that it was created by Clark Mitchell.. a human... And have made several statements to that info. I'm also a professional artist, been in the games industry 30 years, I think I'm on the fence with the cover art. I feel it's actually just a poor composition, NOT AI ... just an artist who has not done his best job. It's not bad art, better then I can do to be honest. But again, I think its not AI, just not great art.
I can respect that view, and well said.
If you are inclined, i suggest: look up Clark Mitchell, and take a close look at the art he did for Monopoly: Disney Villains.
I think we can allow ourselves to be naive. Of course, Hasbro is testing the limits of what consumers are ready to accept about AI art. It appears that this box is kind of a light starter pack to appeal to new consumers with maybe a new version of the first quests and some alternative rulling to still look interesting to long time fan. And if we're not vocal about the shame for a company such as Hasbro to use AI, it will be the norm for the next boxes because these new consummers will discover HeroQuest with this scummy art ! And if they trying this move it's because the only language they understand is money.
If think we may have a window right now to denonce this AI art because they have still the time to use the excuse "it was just a placeholder" and change it. Once is published, it's only by refrainning to buy such a quick baked product that we'll be heard.
At the end, the question is : do you want to be respected as a custommer and a fan of HeroQuest ?
*We CAN'T allow ourselves 😅
I will buy as a collector anyway
five stars ashman! good session.
Does the AI production potential bode ill for a possible cheapie Wizards of Morcar (Zargon) expansion?
That remains to be seen. I think if it is perceived as a bad thing now, it's definitely not too late to change the tentative wizard expansion so it doesn't have the same kind of art.
Good thing I’m the one guy in the friend group with the main box and several expansions for my friends who are new to the game and want to give it a shot.
The Zargon!
It's Portal for Heroquest.
Ooooohh I'm interested
Does the board fold up more? How would a smaller board be compatible with expansion?
It's just gotta...unless the whole thing will be supplied modularly
the plot thickens!
If only they could make the app available in my country.
Just checked and it turns out it is available 🥳