Jehovah's Witness vs. Christian Pastor
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024
- Watch and share this important conversation between Pastors Jeff Durbin and Claudie Ramirez and a Jehovah's Witness in Kauai. Apologia Church has planted a church on the island and Apologia is engaged in active evangelism to reach the cults. Our team was out and ran into a group of Jehovah's Witnesses who were set up at a farmer's market. This is the video.
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In 2016 I was new to recovery and happened to run across a Jeff Durbin video on abortion on RUclips very enlightening I've been following him ever since today I'll attend my first service at the church in Mesa looking forward to it
I do not represent JW.
In Isaiah day Jesus did not acquire Mighty God, Eternal Father and the others.
Notice carefully (WILL BE CALL, Witch mean future).
(1) He will be call which mean future (Mighty God, not almightily God)
(2) He will be call which mean future (eternal father) when the mightily God father human at resurrection to eternal life.
(3) There are many mighty gods but one almighty God. Mighty and almighty are Gods differ in power. (Use a dictionary.
(4)What does Immanuel mean? God is with us. Jesus is a God John 1:1 two Gods mentioned there. Satan is a god, 2 Corinthians 4:4 Exodus 4: 16 and 7:1 Mose was a God.
(4)What does Immanuel mean? God is with us which mean the mightily god will be with us. It can also mean the almightily is with us by mean of the mightily God. See link below to get a better understanding of how God and father are use in the bible.
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Another gospel.
Matthew 17:5
He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”
Luke 1:35
Before Jesus' birth, the angel Gabriel tells Mary that her child will be called the Son of God.
In Matthew 3:13-17, Jesus goes to John the Baptist at the Jordan River to be baptized. John initially resists, but Jesus insists that his baptism is meant to fulfill all righteousness. After Jesus is baptized, he emerges from the water and sees the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon him. A voice from heaven then says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased".
The Greatest Man in history is Jesus. He had no servants, yet they called Him Master. He had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. He had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today, He had no wife, yet He's the Bridegroom, I love you Jesus with all my heart, mind, strength and soul..
@love Truth AMEN
1 John 4 v 12 to 15 and 1 John5 v 5.
Amen
So true. That's awesome
✝️=💩
No yelling. No screaming. No cursing. No interrupting. No talking-over. Amazing conversation!!
That's how it's suppose to be😇
Leah James very true
I have to say, although I haven't been a jehovahs witness for twenty years now, I can still say that most are like this, even in their private lives. Of course there are exceptions, but generally a nice bunch of people! Just sad that they are misguided by their leaders.
Imagine, liberals had this trait, oh wait then there would be no liberals..
Durbin can get very condescending when things don't go his way. He'll come out with sexist names and labels, particularly of women when they don't believe what he teaches. Sad, because he seems a really nice guy on the outside.
This is a beautiful and humble conversation. No confrontation. No arguing. It is two men sharing their beliefs in a very civil and kind manner. What an example for others. Amazingly respectful discussion.
Jehovah's witnesses do not argue they just discuss
@@JesseNewton-iw6ghfruitage of the tree and yet they call the tree bad
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I could listen to them speak all day. Leading people to truth is a beautiful thing. Keep up the great work guys.
Are you a witness? I noticed the flag in your profile pic so was just curious.
@@auntiebc1544 I don't associate with any religious organization regarding my spiritual beliefs. And my profile pic has an American Flag on the back of a pickup truck, just a country themed pic that I like.
@@razztazz1982 I was just curious. Your comment was very respectful. Its not everyday people say that, so I thought maybe you were one of Jehovahs Witnesses, but then when I saw the flag it just had me curious . Its nice to read a nice comment like yours.😊
@@auntiebc1544 Thank you for the compliment, it was kind of you.
We must seek truth through Scripture and prayers and not that of men.
Through scripture many infer that Jesus is God and God is Jesus however, they NEVER stated such.
That’s what God says to study to show YOURSELVES approved, otherwise we will believe anything.
Yah is the Father, He has His Holly Spirit and the Son Yeshua.
Same as a King hands His authority over to his son, the prince.
Yeshua/ Jesus is Lord and Master but never started that he was God.
Who spoke from Heaven when he was baptized by John. Was he being a ventriloquist? No, see although the Apologetics gentleman is very knowledgeable, he is preaching a doctrine of man.
How beautiful when two Adults have a civilized discussion about different beliefs...!!!
I don't agree with you. I've had conversations with Mormans and they always try to convince you you're wrong. They are civil, but they work very hard at proving their RELIGION is right and all other people are going to hell. A man of the TRUE god like pastor isn't trying to tell this guy he's wrong. The Morman Bible has added "scripture" and they call it God's word. They added it. Revelation says if any man adds to the Word of God, He will ad unto him the plagues of the earth. So....
Reck Gomez I don’t Know Who more blinded you or the Jehovah witness
oriasj it is a shame that Christians can’t share the true gospel with these cults.We have to study who Jesus is . If you download on youtube The real Jesus and listen carefully then this will be a great help to all true Christians. We need to be like Jeff and be able to share the real Jesus.When God brings people to your door then you need to be able to share the true Jesus. I teach people to be able to share the true Jesus to these cults and get them set free.I have seen many been set free
99 % of times Jws say, we have to get going, when can we come? I always invited them back , but they Never again show up! Isn’t that deception and lying 🤥?
@@robinmartz5066 as a Mormon you are lying through your teeth. No Mormon missionaries would ever tell you, your going to hell if you don't convert to latter day saints. That kind of teaching id prohibited by the Mormon church I can tell yoy that right now. So you are a liar since most Mormons do not believe in a hell although they believe in a lucifer.
Although , I don’t believe in the JW faith. I can respect how peaceful this meeting was.
These christians cant agree. Very cordial. 300 years ago they were murdering each other for jesus lol
Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in violence but in the past it was bloody disagreements in Christendom. True.
@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951 I know that they suffered in WW 2 because of their stance against war.
@@shaunnaidoo8811 they are not both christians people think if you wear a cross of carry a bible they are christians but that is not so try questioning them and see what they believe
@@shaunnaidoo8811 no christian would murder for Jesus according to this:
" They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you *will think that he doeth God service.
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John 16:2
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by Him. (John 14:6)
Doesn't that prove he's not God, since Jesus says that the Father is God and there is one God?
John 6:27
Exactly! This one verse overturns all the reasoning by Jeff that Jesus is the Father.
Oh okay, cool. It's just sometimes people use that to try and justify the trinity. I know, I don't get it either.
see? we all go to the Father and Jesus is the way.
it's nice to see how two people with different beliefs converse and exchange ideas without the need of arrogance and rudeness.
let us respect one another regardless of our beliefs in life. ❤
Finally a pastor and Jw that could speak calmly and have a great conversation. As an ex Jw that was in for over 25 years, Finally an easy to understand explination the trinity. I was blown away by the calm EXPLANATION modalism and how that explained. Absolutely changed my views and got me to understand what happened and how the belief of Jesus as seperate from the Father was a fight in the 2nd cent. I loved that! I have been searching for 9 years to resolve that one conflict in my mind and now I have peace over that issue. Thank you for being so knowledgeable. I feel God sent me to that post.
Man. I pray for the knowledge and ability to articulate my conversation as well as this fine disciple
Which one are you referring to lol
JohnBee Jeff is an apostate. He’s filming because he’s seeking fame. He wants followers and be praised. But what he teaches people are nothing but lies. He’s the clear example of Satan making things “appear” as truth when they are not. The Bible does not support the trinity doctrine. This teachings derives from ancient Babylon where they worshipped triads of trinities. But the Bible is firm in what it teaches about one God.
Amen
@@nsr5961 amen.
@@nsr5961 which is why oneness apostolic pentecostals have the truth about God
Glad to see how you guys handle this. Very calmly, with understanding and no condemnation.
daniel hartness in this video there is no verbal condemnation but the belief of Calvinism is that this Jehovah’s Witness no matter how good a man he is will not be saved and is doomed to hell... that is what Calvinism believes... so sad- Calvinism is not Christlike love
@@kylebraby2357 Do you understand the basis of the Christian faith? Regardless of how “good” (None is good but the Father in Heaven) this man is it doesnt change the fact we have sin unaccounted for. This is not based on a certain belief like Calvinism but a fact of life in light of Gods Law that is just & holy. To deny Christs divinity is to deny His worthy sacrifice to atone for our sin, it is to deny Christs own words that He & the Father are one, that when you look upon Jesus you look upon the Father, that He is the visible image of the invisible God. Jesus stated multiple times taht if you reject Him you in turn reject the Father, when the Pharisees rebuked Jesus in the name of God Jesus said if they knew God the Father they would know Him but they didnt, same with Jehovahs witness, same with Muslims. I see the same verses used from each to discredit Jesus’ divinity deducing Him to be seen as just man, but then how can He be our redeemer if He has sin like the rest of us? Their faith is filled with contradiction stemmed from a misunderstanding of the being of God & the necessity of the payment of sin, the just retribution according to Gods Law.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18
this is great. The Jehovahs witness is welcome to receive what the Christian is sharing. he is open. lovely conversation
So because you don't celebrate A Holiday makes you a Christian?
your argument is flawed... whosoever regardeth a day let him regard it unto the Lord. I celebrate Christmas not because I am worshiping a demon but because its the day I regard as the savior was born. see the difference?.
Do you know that satanist sing amazing grace when performing their sacrifices?; does that mean we should stop singing Amazing grace in church?, I don't think so
So cerebrating a day would become sin if you direct do it and with the intent to worship a demon or anything related.
according to John 1 vs 11 to 15, it tell us how you can become true Christian: and there is nothing about celebrating holidays in there
You believe in yourself to be saved. read the whole books of Romans snd John. You will see there is no working for the gift of eternal life
That was beautiful brother teaching somebody about the truth without preaching hate. God bless you, Jesus taught us to Love not hate. Very impressed my brother Shalom!
The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force.
@@thymendeelstra8858 The Jews have always taught that Holy Spirit is God's active force and not a person belonging to a Tri( for the Latin 3 ) nity. They view the Trinity as Polytheistic and pinpoint, it to the Roman Emperor Constantine 325AD, who wanted to unify his Empire. This was after the Romans slaughtered the early Christians in the Roman arenas, when the oppressives wolves entered in among them. ( Acts 20: 9 )
The JW dont have the truth. They are demonstrably false teachers and prophets and this is easily illustrated one by one. On the false prophet side, their record is published and such false prophecies are in print. There are 150 year of false predictions and flip flopping doctrines. To submit that they have a brotherhood is also a demonstrable falsehood. They have elites and strata that belie that claim. Elders on down to rank and file unbaptized publishers. Its structured like the soviet system. Top down authoritarianism is in no way equal to the relationship among brothers/sisters. Try writing a letter critical about an elder and sending it to the ones who appointed him at JW headquarters. You will see soon enough who is in charge and what the price is to be paid one brother talking to another. As to the idea the holy spirit is not a person. One argument used by JW is the holy spirit was poured out at pentecost....a person cant be poured out. Yet they dont make the same argument about Jesus who is said to have been emptied out his heavenly vessel to become flesh Phi 2:7. Paul also used the analogy of a drink offering and that he would soon be poured out like one. Phi 2:17 and 1 Tim 4:6
Who is The One who glorified and resurrected Jesus? ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God RAISED HIM UP from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Who is the God and Father of Jesus?
JOHN 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’
@@felipemartinez-qs5sh John 2: 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said
He could have easily said his father would raise him up and there would have been no murmuring or seeking to kill him. But rather the text is plain and is no contradiction to your verses, while the opposite is not the case.
Since you are possibly well schooled by the false prophets at Watch Tower can you explain these 2 things. In John Jesus clearly says to his disciples that they can not have eternal life unless they drink his blood and eat his flesh. Yet at annual memorial of JW, millions who profess to follow Jesus are intimidated by false leaders to not partake of the symbols of his flesh and blood at what amounts to be a black mass.
Next in 1 Cor 15 what sorts of beliefs does the context surrounding vs 33 show is the “bad association” for Christians to avoid? Its often used by JW to keep young witnesses from joining sports teams and others from getting good jobs. Paul isnt dealing with corporal issues, but rather beliefs that JW hold that was subverting his teachings to the contrary about resurrection....go read it I dare you.
Lastly a 3rd for desert. When approached by Jews who had heard of his miracles, they ask him to perform a “sign” for them and they would believe. You know what Jesus said to them if you are familiar with scripture or a JW (pun intended)...he called them a wicked and adulterous generation “that keeps seeking a sign”....so then what does that say about Jesus if 2000 years later when he “invisibly returns” and selects as his one and only “true followers” a group of people who only believe on him due to the appearance of so called “sign seeking” that his return in power is imminent. How does that make sense? And yet you know in your heart that if the Watchtower removed their emphasis on world events as signaling his “coming” most witnesses would beg off in a heart beat. Not all, but most. Now aside from making Jesus a hypocrite what does that belief say about the motive of most JWs?
I wish oooh i wish people could do this calm no interruptions no insults, ty for this
Jehovah's witnessess never insult anyone. You don't get such religious unity anywhere. When they are wrong there wrong. Ofcause theyre mostly right.
@@maj6895 😊😊😊😊
@@maj6895 I certainly don't mean any disrespect toward you, but I have certainly been insulted when having discussions with Jehovah's witnesses.
@@lukehumphrey7517 sorry Luke for your experience. I am not apologizing on behalf of another human being, but how we perceive the world in different parts of the world even at same grocery shop will never be the same. My experience with JW was always good. Maybe because I grew up very close to the religion.
This is so GREAT to see and hear respect and talking to each other regardless of denomination, colour, no screaming, abuse, no name calling... how beautiful just talking about scriptures Thank you Pastor Jeff and too the Jehovah Witness I hope you talk again with Pastor Jeff I studied Jws for over 10 years. Praise Jesus who brang me out
there are many beautiful passionate God loving JW's that I pray hear the true word of God AMEN ✝❤ 🙏🏿🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏽🙏🙏🏻
New to this channel. The conversation was very enjoyable between the two. Civil and factual discourse with no condescension on either side is rare and much needed in our culture of these days. Thank you.
Mr. Cedric here is a nice and respectable man. I appreciate his candor and honesty.
What’s up joe!
Regardless of which side of this argument you fall on or if you disagree with both, it is so refreshing to hear a discussion on such a sensitive subject handled so civilly. Much respect to both parties. 👍🏻
I truly admire how Jeff is always calm and respectful, and he always let’s the other person speak more. This man was raised well, and has the love of God in him.
And yet, and in spite of this, he does not walk in the truth of GOD...
We can learn from such examples, in-that people are not defined by their outward appearances, as it is GOD Himself who leads Jesus sheep to Him;
𝚆𝚑𝚢 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚢 𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚎𝚌𝚑? 𝙱𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚖𝚢 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍 - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟾.𝟺𝟹
...𝙱𝚎𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚊 𝚛𝚎𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚊𝚌𝚑 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖. 𝚃𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘 𝚍𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚒𝚗 𝚒𝚝 - 𝙹𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚖𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟼.𝟷0
...𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚝𝚘 𝚒𝚗𝚏𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚜. - 𝙼𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚠 𝟷𝟷.𝟸𝟻
Case and point, Jesus did not worship a triune god, nor would be teach of preach of such a god.
And yet, the world is filled with so-called followers of Christ(Christians), who are worshiping, teaching and preaching of a god completely unlike the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ.
🙏🏽🎚️
Brilliantly done! Holy Spirit lead for sure. All glory to God.
Man, watching these kind of dialogues always makes me feel so inadequate with my scripture knowledge. I need to step my game up! Good stuff Pastor Jeff!
I appreciate your humility. Keep testing all things. My conclusion is Jehovah is always the God of Jesus. That is what the Bible truly teaches.
He asks where the Bible says that Jesus would resurrect Himself. John 10:17-18, "For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
"I have authority to take it up again!"
@LSmoove 79 You're right about God giving Jesus the power. I'd like to make a distinction here. I think we should be careful not to pit the Son rising by His own authority against the Father raising Him by His power. As the Word of God, who does not lie, Scripture cannot contradict itself. Therefore, it seems to me that John 10:17-18, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:38-40, and Ephesians 1:20 all affirm that while Christ had the authority to rise, the power came from God working in Him His great might.
The Son having the authority and the Father supplying Him the power are not contrary ideas. Resurrection power to counteract death in His body clearly comes from the Father. But the Son has authority because He, as God, is perfectly righteous and holy. The wages of sin is death, but He had no sin, so it was impossible for death to hold Him (Acts 2:24). His holiness and His righteousness make Him worthy of life because He is the Author of Life, and only sinners deserve death.
@LSmoove 79 John 10:30 I and the Father are one John 8:58 Before Abraham was I am (Jesus speaking) John 1:1 The word was God
The meaning of John 10:18
www.bibleref.com/John/10/John-10-18.html
What of Acts 2:32. "God resurrected this Jesus". Verse 24. "God resurrected him by releasing him from the pnags of death". And many more.. There is lots to believe that Trinity is actually a mystery not directly supported in the Bible no matter how much meaning you read into some statements.
@@A-Academy-1 And there are lots that support the Trinity. God referred to himself many times in plural pronouns. And in Hebrews 1:8 Jesus is referred to as God. 1 John 5:20 also calls the Son God. 1 Corinthians 3:16 refers to the Spirit as God so does Acts 5:3-4. What this shows is subordination. The Holy Spirit is subordinate to Jesus and God. And Jesus is subordinate to God. Take for example a manager and an employee. The employee is subordinate to the manager but does that mean you’re suddenly not human because you are subordinate? It’s the same with the Trinity. They all have different roles but are still God. Of course it doesn’t make sense to us, as we are human. We will never be able to explain God so we will try to come up with what we can explain. However, the scripture does teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God.
This jw was so cool and reasonable
Most are :)
@@jaroldinho3923 agreed
I was raised JW and by God's grace I have been saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone!
Jesus + nothing = everything!
xmarxdspot glory be to our risen Lord Jesus Christ.
God bless you, my brother through Christ.
You know the Father is still the only true God. And God knows your struggle in that organization, but I wish you the best. I am a Biblical Unitarian and there are many former JW'S who turn to isolation. But there is a group in the U.S.
Henry Santiago you should look at what kind of man athanasius was. He came up with, or enforced the "the son is of the same essance of the Father". If you search, many scholars, although there are very few who will admit this, will tell you that Athanasius abused, tortured, kidnapped his opponents in Alexandrite Egypt. Now you may say, "yes, but that was in the past. We do not hurt people now". But you believe in a violent man's creed. All christians are forced to believe in this, if a church ever even mentions this. You need to see what does Jesus say. John 20:31 says that the accounts of Jesus' miracles was so"that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God. Amazing. Is the writer forgetting that his account was also written so that we may believe that Jesus is God, God the son? The sputter never mentioned jesus as God. The intention is different. It's the son of God the writer wrote. All of John was written to prove to all that Jesus is the son of God. Not God the son.
So are you saying you are okay with a man like Athanasius? A man who tortured and kidnapped his opponents and came up with this doctrine of Jesus being in the "Same essence"? I would really like to know your take on Athanasius. He is the one whose creed every church member, pastor, minister, future pastor must bow down to. Do you bow down to the doctrine of what Athanasius put foreword?
I noticed that Bible memory verse is very crucial.
same
Something I'm guilty of. I love the reading the Bible but sometimes I get bored , with reading in general. My mind wonders
Especially when talking to JW's. While you're busy searching for a verse, they've gone ahead and quoted to you three more from memory.
me three. after your me too. Trinity is greater than our physical universe. Negative and positive, up down etc
helps prove you dont have alsheimers...but if i did...respect me!
Well done brother. Your patience paid off in speaking on the pre- eminence of Christ.
But Christ wouldn’t be preeminent over his God right? His God Jehovah would be the exception correct?
Karen Cook The Head of Christ is.....God. (1 Corinthians 11:3)
Powerful Loving respectful opening of doors for truth to touch Sedrick’s heart to process, allow to melt his heart. Thank you for great example of how to reach our J W / other
Excellent job in that conversation, you handled it so well, and you never let it get inflammatory.
YuGiOhDuelChannel I didn't notice that until you mentioned it, I'll keep that in mind for future reference. 👍
H T. II:
Is Jesus then a true god or a false god?
@ H T. II Your ridiculous, if Christ is not the Eternal God then His atonement is insufficient for our sins, our sins are against an Eternal God and a "created being" is not sufficient to cover them, just as a spotless lamb was never fully sufficient to cover the sins of Israel. Also, you cannot explain the characteristics of God if there is only the Father before all things created, you cannot be loving by yourself, you cannot be social by yourself, you cannot be caring by yourself. Give me a break the Bible and God's characteristics fall apart without the doctrine of the Trinity.
H T. II:
Oh I see. So would you consider yourself a monotheist?
H T. II:
I read the article from your link. My comment for you is the following:
If you cannot say, “Jesus is precious to me,” I do not care to what Church you belong, or what creed you are ready to die for, you do not know the truth of God unless the person of Christ is dear to you.
So refreshing to hear a conversation like this!
I like how Jeff let him talk uninterrupted for quite a while.
The bible says be quick to lisen and slow to speak. Jeff is talking how all Christians should. :)
I'm not trolling, no need to get shirty
Jesus would be so proud of you... Debating this mans beliefs while down the street is sickness and corruption yet lifts no finger or aims no gun. A worthless organism you're.
tim spangler What? Can you please repeat the question... I didn't know how to respond .
Ellington Dart
Why should they be studying a man instead of the Bible?
MAN! The knowledge these men posses is astounding, impressive, and honestly quite inspirational!
This is beautiful work. Bless the Lord. Thank You Jesus for mature Christians....
I love there civilized and educated discussion. Both people were knowledgeable and firm followers of their beliefs
Yes but their is only 1 correct way.
We twirl to the left and they twirl to the right
Their*
Johnny Hinton Jesus.
This camera guy on a trampoline?
Haha pretty far away, so zoomed in, all the movement is a lot more dramatic looking
Lol
Yes. Standard evangelization practices
Ha Ha
LUMA NATE no , I think he is on a skateboard
So much Love (God) in this conversation. Praise Him & thank Him. We as Christians need to be more active in the world & put on the whole armour of God & bring the Word to all ends of the Earth. Very moved by watching the Holy Spirit in this video. Amen
2 great people have a beautiful conversation. Respect and love.
We need WAY more of this!!!! Iron sharpens Iron
Man, I'm always so impressed with Jeff's quick knowledge of scriptural references. This is how street evangelism should be.
Antoinette Gabrielle he always very gentle and kind as well.
obadiah7771 I appreciate Jeff's kindness, but his assertions are absurd and misleading.
It's too bad all those scriptures he is so easily quoting were forged by Emperor Titus Flavius in order to subjugate the rebellious Jews to Rome. ruclips.net/video/HS0WSEuousE/видео.html
Jesus is just a fabrication used by Titus and Flavius Josephus to trick the Jews into Emperor worship since they refused to worship him directly.
The link is to a documentary looking into the findings of several PhD researchers into this matter.
Create your own destiny, don't let lumberjacksexuals, like this Jeff dude, soothesay you into the Christian cult.
tim spangler you're an atheist?
tim spangler I cant help you since you're godless. I can only help the godly.
i could imagine not knowing the truth going somewhere else for info and being lost probably would of lost my mind just so happy Jehovah revealed it to me
Lol when he says the Holy Spirit is god and he lost his confidence a bit
I shared with this SAME GUY (Cedric) a couple months ago while in Kauai, for over an hour. Pulled out all the same arguments with me. Praise God as he allows many faithful believers to speak truth to him. Praying for salvation for this man.
I believe god is sending believers to this man to lead him out of error. I pray the scales will be removed fron eyes.
A guy gives up his time to teach underprivileged kids. He starts teaching 1+1=7 and "dog" is spelt D-A-W-G. Will you also question if he is corrected because he gave up his time and energy?
The time and energy does not matter if the content and therefore the end product is wrong
@Derek D Where is one required to believe in the trinity for salvation? Scripture please.
@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951 1 John 4:15, Mark 2:2.8, John 13:31, 1 John 4:2-3, Romans 6:23, John 9:37, Matthew 16:24-28
Snappy Girls Good scripture but no trinity necessary. We must believe Jesus is the Son of the Living God. The Bible never requires us to believe in a triplex God for salvation.
IVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS! PLEASE MAKE MORE! GOD BLESS YOU
Mike BRA me too!
Mike BRA Jesus isn't proud of you slamming the retards.
Just cause they dumb... Doesn't make your dumb Jesus any smarter... Even your pastor and Religion is the stupidest on earth!!
You asked him about John chapter 14, he quickly changed your question with a question in Genesis. great to bring the focus back to John 14.
Very beautiful and respectful exchange. Perfect example of how any conversation concerning the Bible should go. God bless!
Almost feel like the conversation got cut off prematurely :( i love how you speak with firmness yet have patience and integrity giving the other person respect and time to talk good job!
So what's this about then? Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
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What about it?
Johnathan Parra ...it means that ...jehovah approved of his son...and it also means that jesus is not God...
coraline jones why do you say that Jesus is not God?
craigime ...in john 14:28 jesus here is saying...that his father is greater than him.and when jesus prayed he prayed to his father who is in the heavens in Matthew6:9 jesus teaches us how to pray to God...so how can jesus be God,if he always prayed?..he most certainly wasn't praying to himself..
Wherever 2 or 3 gather in my name that is where I will be jesus said. I feel this discussion here is spirit filled. Anyone else?
Great witnessing my brother, Jehovah & Jesus proud of you ❤
I'm actually moving from Tallahassee, FL to AZ pretty soon. I need a good church to go-to. I'm going to look into your church. I love these debates and your knowledge of the Holy word is powerful!
Thanks Jeff,
I've been waiting for this for a while....
there's a lot of JWs around here.
Sola Scriptura Brother !
Love you, Shalom
canigetachannel are you Jewish??
No matter what people say Jesus has a God so he can’t be that God. How many Gods do Trinitarians then have?
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When Christians pray to God, they say Jesus name, who is God to them.
When Jehovah's Witnesses pray, they pray to who they say is God, Jehovah AND Jesus who they say is a prophet or Gods son.
So it is not Christians who pray to 2 Gods, since the Trinity is still 1 God.... but rather JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WHO PRAY TO JEHOVAH- God AND JESUS- a god.
It’s one thing to know scriptures by heart and another to understand them.
Indeed. Then again, isn't it everyone who believes they understand the scriptures?
I mean, just look at the trinitarians...
JohnBee not necessarily
That is why we pray, ask God for wisdom, and use The Inductive Bible Study method (for example) and "investigate" the scripture within the context. You learn and understand soo much! :)
This is 1 time.i would have like to see pastor gino jennings here teaching with these Gentlemen.
And God is the God of the living, and Satan that of the dead. Serve, therefore, the living God, that the eternal movement of life may sustain you, and that you may escape the eternal stillness of death. Work, therefore, without ceasing, to build the kingdom of God, lest you be cast into the kingdom of Satan. For eternal joy abounds in the living kingdom of God, but still sorrow darkens the kingdom of death of Satan. Be, therefore, true Sons of your Earthly Mother and of your Heavenly Father, that you fall not as slaves of Satan. And your Earthly Mother and Heavenly Father will send you their angels to teach, to love, and to serve you. And their angels will write the commandments of God in your head, in your heart, and in your hands, that you may know, feel, and do God's commandments.
This is helpful. I like the kindness and truth shown from Jeff.
With more discussions like this, there would be fewer conflicts. Great job.
Jim Chavez absolutely!
If both sides are dead wrong then why is there a conflict??
John Brown what are you talking about?
Jim Chavez What Discussion did they have for fewer conflicts? Them talking made 500k hate comments and conflicts in comment section...
John Brown so your solution is nobody talk?
This pastor is so knowledgeable!
The Holy Spirit does talk! "The Spirit and the bride say 'come'." Rev 22:17
Also in Acts 13:2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, *:>the Holy Spirit said,
Hey big zack. Good to hear from you.
Hi big guy, long time no hear from !!! Can we talk on Skype ?
Wow amen!!
Listen again to what he said he is saying the Holy Spirit speaks but that force doesn't speak
Good to see Cedric wasn’t defensive, but was willing to listen to the other side💯
I 🙏 he awakens to our side
I love the respect they manifest to each other while debating
Ultimately thoughts are determined by what you know. When your knowledge base is controlled so are your thoughts.
Pastor Jeff you are well studied, both biblically and historically. I pray the Lord will continue to bless your ministry. You set such a great example of being able to respond with gentleness. I pray the Lord will teach me to share the gospel and articulate it as well as you do. God bless again in Jesus name.
Great example?
The guy is dead set wrong in nearly everything he says.
@@SmalltimR John 1:1. Care to explain how He is wrong in his interpretation of it?
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John 1.1 edifies the words spoken in Psalm 33.6-9;
_6By Yahweh's word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth... ...9For he spoke, and it was done. He commanded, and it stood firm._ - Psalm 33.6-9
With that said, the Hebrew word for "word" in this particular passage(דָבָר) is defined as; a literal word or commandment.
Such as when someone says; "you have my word," or "I received word"
With that said, here are a few examples of this convention being used in the Bible;
*_Yahweh appeared_*_ again in Shiloh; for Yahweh revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by _*_the word of Yahweh._* - 1 Sam 3.21
_After these things _*_the word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision,_*_ saying, "Don't be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward."_ - Gen 15.1
_so shall _*_my word_*_ be that goes forth out of my mouth: _*_it_*_ shall not return to me void, but _*_it_*_ shall accomplish that which I please, and _*_it_*_ shall prosper in the thing I sent _*_it_*_ to do._ - Isaiah 55.11
In the above cited passages, the word of God is both literal as in a literal word, as well as personified in a person.
This is convention is established throughout the Old Testament as humans and angels stand and speak for God - and more importantly, who do so possessing the authority of God Himself
The problem with the trinitarian view however, is that it leads people to overlook the use of the word and its purpose in the fulfillment of God's will.
ie, when John speaks of the word becoming flesh, the Bible evidence tells us that this was Gods commandment.
Coupling this with the title of the word attributed to Jesus in Revelation, and we have all that's required to come to a proper understanding of God's will being done in creation.
That is to say; that the tasks carried through Jesus Christ were done with the authority of God Himself.
That is why Jesus told His accusers that though the Son can do nothing of Himself, that His works were those of the Father and that they(we) shall honor the Son as we honor the Father.
That is to say, that Jesus' word is God's word, and that His works are God's works(see)
In continuing on the matter of oversights, the trinitarian interpretation of John 1.1 also leads to misappropriating the source of all things that is YHWH;
_Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: "I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself;_* - Isaiah 44.24
In the above passage, we find YHWH is doing all things "alone" and "by Himself"
That is to say, that though the word itself is equal to God, that the word is not literally God, as-in, God Himself - as YHWH is identified as its source.
This is why Isaiah 55.11 identifies the word of God as a a thing ("it"), which leaves God and is due back to Him - that is to say, all things are due to the most High God alone.
Now I know from experience that the trinitarian response to this is to cite one God rather than three persons.
Which is a play on words and definition, as many trinitarians(including Jeff Durben) will appeal to passages such as Gen 1.26, stating the plurality of God as proof for the trinity.
Only to turn and cite the opposite in an effort to reconcile with YHWH doing all things along and by Himself.
However, and since the wording found in this Isaiah 44.24 is both inescapable and binding, the only recourse for the trinitarians is to appeal to a fourth entity.
That is to say that the One God who is doing all things alone and by Himself must therefore be separate from the persons of the triune God otherwise known as; the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - which is highly problematic to say the least.
With that being said, let's consider John 1.1 using the information provided in the above cited passages for comparison;
In the beginning was the word - commandment
and the word was with the God - personified
and the word was God - possessing the authority of God Himself
Now in the even that you caught the admission of "the" in the (b) portion of the above cited passage, I'd add that this is how the Greek text was written; τὸν Θεόν = ton Theon = the God
Needless to say, the consequences derived from trinitarian interpretation of John 1,1 are numerous to say the least.
From overlooking the use the word(word) of God, to ignoring its intended meaning and that which is attributed to YHWH alone and by Himself - and all in an effort to realize that which id neither taught nor practiced anywhere in the Bible by anyone.
- hope this helps
I didn't follow the thrust of your Isaiah argument. We believe in One God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). And this one God alone is the Creator as revealed in various places. I didn't understand your argument at all about θεον
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*RE:* I didn't follow the thrust of your Isaiah argument.
*A.* The gist of the argument is that the word of God, which belongs to God. represents God
ie, when God commissions His word to do as He commanded, then the work in question was God's will being done.
This is why the word of God is identified as God.
It has dual meaning, in that it is is God's commandment as well as His will being done.
This is why, the prophets of old stood and spoke the word of God, and why people feel dead at there feet for going against God's voice.
Similarly, and along these same lines, this is why Jesus explained that we are to honor the Son as we honor the Father - His works are God's works.
*RE:* We believe in One God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
*A.* That is correct, therefore, the one God you speak of, cannot be doing all thing "alone" and "by Himself" as that is a contradictory statement.
ie, you cannot have co-equality between those persons called God, and a God who is doing all things "alone" and "by Himself" without ending-up with a 4'th entity
*RE:* I didn't understand your argument at all about θεον
*A.* John 1.1 b) states that the word was with "the God" τὸν Θεόν - which was written for the sake of transparency with the original text.
Great an respect ful conversation nothing judgemental very respected to one another love this
May jehovah bless that brother for his work by preaching
Preaching what? Salvation? Forgiveness of sins? The only way to the Father? The LOVE of God?? The Gospel of Jesus Christ?!
1 Corinthians 15:3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Galatians 1:8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@@timothyalvarado5315 Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position?
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My favorite scripture that puts a end to the trinity and there's no way to twist it is 1Cor.15 :26,27,28
Yes, Jehovah' will keep blessing and multiplying his people!!
The Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching heresy in regards to true Christianity. Arian of Alexander had the same belief in God/Jesus as the JWs do. ALL Christian leaders of all the congregations got together and they ALL said Arian was a heretic.
Jehovah's witnesses are apostates to Christianity.
I've had similar arguments reading Ikea build instructions. God bless the faithful for they will have it.
How doesn't this have more likes xD
John 14:28 John 20:17 Jehovah God almighty..One true God..
Great resource as I prepare to have some of these conversations myself. Thanks, Jeff!
Here are a few points for consideration;
1. There is no triune god declared, revealed or defined at any point and in all of Bible history
2. There are no records of anyone worshiping such a god at any point in all of Bible history
3. Jesus would not worship, teach or preach of such a god at any point in His ministry
@@smalltimer4370 opinion
Good stuff pastor Jeff, witnessing with respect, and intelligence, big thumbs up.
I really wish you guys would do more of these videos. It would help a lot.
Yet another great example of how we as christians should approach people of other beliefs as well as unbelievers. As Ravi likes to say we are not so much answer the ‘questions’ we are answering the ‘person’. Treat people with respect while standing firmly on our God-centered foundation. If God has given us the truth AND WE CAN ARTICULATE IT IN AN INTELLIGENT FASHION then there is no reason to attack, disrespect, etc. This is why I think it is so important to educate ourselves in apologetics, learning how to defend the truth of God and Christianity.
The church today is DESPERATELY in need of learning apologetics, among other things of course. This is why kids are leaving the faith in droves once they leave their home and the church and go off to the secular university, they were never taught how to defend what they believe. Having a “child-like faith” is biblical, but having a “childish faith” is not only unbiblical but foolish and will leave you empty-handed when you enter into the battlefield of ideas.
We live in a world where people obviously do not believe what we believe, so for example when talking to an atheist using the Bible will not be an effective tool - depending on the topic - precisely b/c they do not believe God has spoken. With that being said it is important to meet then at their level. If science, logic and reason are the supposed pillars of what most atheists ground their atheism on then science, logic and reason is what I will use to show them the contrary is true. We are to renew our minds. We are to grow spiritually and in knowledge, if we do not we are sitting ducks.
PhDinTheology Yeshua What is a Jesus??
PhDinTheology Yeshua wow. How dare you unless just so uneducated to tell me what my God is if I don't believe in your Santa Claus. Even I know better then to speak so harsh of ye neighbor.... Burn your Bible you Poser. You have been warned from reading this. You're Blasphemy.
PhDinTheology Yeshua Its all make believe depending on culture and background. Wise up. If you have Google How can you have Jesus?
I was an atheist for the majority of my life. The key to fighting any world view hostile to Christianity is to learn the common rhetoric and line of arguments they use.
Having had so much experience with atheistic arguments, I have no issue debating them. Everything they say, I already said in the past and everything they believe, I once believed and found it wanting.
Compare this to Jehovah’s Witnesses. I would come out with little argument against them since I’ve had so little experience with JW’s and their rhetoric.
Therefor you must learn your opponents ways before you get into a debate with them.
The *most* important thing however is to remember to sanctify Christ in your heart before every debate. Remember not to go in solely for the sake of “winning” or to inflate your own sense of pride and intellectualism. This is arrogance and something was guilty of when I was an atheist who argued with Christians.
You argue to represent Christ on earth. Do not lose your temper or stoop to childish tactics but instead - glorify God.
@PhDinTheology “Yeshua
“He never tried to reason with logic or facts or beliefs” That’s not only complete nonsense, it’s unbiblical. Jesus convicted through the heart and mind. We are fearfully and wonderfully made with a *mind* for a reason. 2 Corinthians 10:5 “We *DESTROY* *ARGUMENTS* and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of god, and TAKE EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE to obey Christ,”
Romans 12:2 "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.”
1 Peter 3:15 “But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to MAKE A DEFENSE to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,”
2 Timothy 4:1-22 "I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry…”
1 Peter 2:15 “For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”
Acts 17 1:34 “Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he *REASONED* *WITH* *THEM* *FROM* *THE* *SCRIPTURES*, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women. But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked men of the rabble, they formed a mob, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the crowd.”
I give the Jw credit for not going on RUclips and shaming others for not understanding scriptures they respectfully trust in god's word and keep it respectful
jeff spreading false gospel and misleading people. The Bible says that Jesus is the Son of God. may God have mercy on him
Jehovah loves you. He is the one and only true God. Repent of your sins and Jehovah will forgive you. The time is near.
JWs call "jehovah" a "misspelled & mispronounced" name for God, they even call it a "blunder". "Yahweh . .. is admittedly superior to Jehovah. *'The wrong spelling Jehovah* occurs since about 1100' and then it offers its arguments in favor of Yahweh as the correct and original pronunciation." - Let Your Name Be Sanctified, Jehovah's Witnesses, p 16-20
AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING 1971 Watchtower and Bible Tract Society p884-885 - literature elaborates as to its Catholic origin in 1270:
By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. *Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation.*
"jehovah" = misspelled, mispronounced name for God! A false name.
The only way to get rid of a false name for God is to quit using it.
They have admitted that the use of the name Jehovah was a "blunder." See JWs own Byington Bible in Living English, published by WBTS (1971ish), page 7, on your WT Library CD (this is in the intro so is conveniently been left off the JW dot Org website). (thanks Lee)
*"As to the Old Testament name of God, certainly the spelling and pronunciation "Jehovah" were originally a blunder."*
God wants his name to be known as a "blunder'? Seriously?
JW produced literature calls it wrong, misspelled, mispronounced and a blunder, seriously a "blunder"!!!
You follow Charles taze russell...
@@mitch511 I don't nor the false religion Jehovah's Witnesses.
Love it. Thank you Lord Jesus!
Still one of the greatest videos I've seen over and over ,and over and over, just to find out how to talk to my wife's family about the truth.!!!
Bible truth? JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower
"Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added
Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture.
"suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization.
God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!
I would like to see more JW encounters. Thanks
Tanner Smith I can help you out with that. Have an encounter personally. What question do you have good sir? Thanks.
Jeremiah Tassinari this is merely Jesus stating he was alive before Abraham, even before the world was created. Read Hebrews 1. Answer me this.
If the Father and the Son are one and they are equal upon the Sons return to Heaven, that is, Jesus Christ’s return, how is it in this scripture, the Son subjects himself to the One, the Father? Also, the Father subjected all things to the Son, but when He says “all things” this doesn’t include the Father. How can one be subjected to the other if they are both God? How can one be subjected to the other, if they are equal?
1 Corinthians 15: 25 For he (Jesus) must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One (God, the Father) who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to the Father, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
tim spangler if it is “crud” maybe you can answer my previous post. Thanks. God Bless.
J B Wow
Broadcast HEAVENLY care to explain my line of questioning above? How about this. The Bible States God is immortal
Definition of immortal: living forever; NEVER dying or decaying
1 Timothy 6:15 He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal might. Amen
Habakkuk 1:12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah?O my God, my Holy One, you do not die.
You are essentially calling God a liar if you say He came down and died for our sins. You are saying God isn’t immortal.
The Bible doesn’t say God can only be immoral while in heaven and when he came down in human form then he can die. The Bible says God is immortal, period.
Now if you are saying God IS immortal and Jesus is God, you would be calling Jesus a liar and saying there was no resurrection nor did Jesus die for our sins.
Wow.
Love an educated pastor. You have to be able to rightfully divide the Word.
@@tiffanywright6653 yeah haha
I wish you would do less Mormon vids and more jw vids. Thanks for your ministry amd sharing what you do!
gabby Mormon vids get those views and make that money though! And that’s what it is really about... pretty obvious by his channel
Kyle Braby Mormons are just as damned as JW
Who is The One who glorified and resurrected Jesus? ACTS 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God RAISED HIM UP from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Who is the God and Father of Jesus?
JOHN 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’
@Kyle Braby really ignorant comment with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
It’s pretty obvious why Jeff focuses more on Mormons. First off, there are 16 million Mormons worldwide vs 8 million JWs. Then the biggest reason, Jeff lives in Phoenix where they have one of the largest population of Mormons outside of Utah. It’s that simple. It’s nothing sinister or about making money.
@@jtlbb2 Exactly
Excellent debate. I am glad Jesus God found me.The Hollyspirit answerd all the questions thru you. Praise The Lord and Stay blessed .Keep up preaching brother. You are dynamic Ambasador of Christ I ever saw in RUclips debate. Wow
Did you test the spirit like the Bible instructs us to do?
The trinity is a false teaching and we need to get as far away from that is possible...
God bless you Jeff and Apologia Church for reaching out to the lost and having these difficult conversations!
Hey who you calling lost? I found Jehovah. He is the God even of Jesus.
".... I live because of the Father...." ( William ) Tyndale Bible ( John 6:57 ) Jesus credits his own life to his Father.
Amen brother
@@simonrgalesg I overlooked this simple truth for a long time.
@@candlewax2735 what made you see it?
@@simonrgalesg Personal study- I stumbled across it.
@@candlewax2735 that is good my friend
God is Jehovah and my savior is Jesus without Jesus we are dead and I believe Jesus is son of God
American Standard Version:" Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah...." ( Deuteronomy 6: 4)
Congratulations on seeing the truth as it was written - not many people do
and yet Jesus isnt your mediator. look up tue defintion of mediator cultlady
The Holy Spirit is strong in that man! Excellent convo, listening, understanding and most of all RESPECT! Well played sirs
Which man?
@@SmalltimR The Christian of course! Not the JW cult member.
At least this guy was willing to have the conversation - the ones I've been approached by will not leave an email a phone number or anything else that would give me the ability to engage them in any type of setting other than the one they have predetermined and they do not want to talk about semantics but about various other issues such as eschatology.
sr bryan JW's are programmed only to preach to convert you! If they sense you are trying to convert them, they will simply walk away. Don't give up though please, they need help to see through their programming. JW is a dangerous cult.
I noticed he was more humble and open minded compared to most JW. Seems like he wants the real truth but doesn't know it completely so decided to "just choose one" and become a JW and that's what he's trying to teach because that's what they taught him. His heart is good and his spirit is willing.
In a democratic country, u have the right not to share ur personal details. JW's are accorded those rights too.
Jeff handled that very delicately. I love it. I notice Jehovah's Witnesses will act very knowledgeable until you begin to go into the Greek text. At that point they just tell you they don't get into all that. I really like it how Jeff customizes his approach instead of sounding like a robot and saying the same thing over and over. Well done and Praise God!!
The important thing is to understand that we're evangelising to an individual. If we only debate against their theology/ideology, we fall into a trap of speaking at them, or speaking past them. If someone is just repeating themselves like a broken record, and not does personalise their evangelism based on who they're speaking to, it indicates that they may not even understand their own theology/ideology and are just blindly indoctrinated.
I'm a Greek Jw and teach ancient greek in Greece
Would you like to test our knowledge in greek?
trewmuzik bring out a scripture and let's analyse it then (:
The words ego eimi formed a phrase that was in very common use by first century Christians and Jews and in New Testament scriptures. It was certainly not understood (by Jews or Christians) as declaring one's Godhood!Notice, for example, how the former blind man (John 9:9) actually identifies himself by saying "ego eimi," but none of the other Jews present, even for a moment, understood him to be claiming to be Jehovah! Looking at the context, the correct phrasing of this sentence should be "I was" instead of "I am" when used after the word "before." Also in verse 57, the question to which Jesus was replying had to do with age, not identity. During the exchange with the Jews leading up to John 8:58, nowhere does Jesus claim to be Almighty God.We know that even his disciples didn't believe Jesus was God simply because he said ego eimi, for he identified himself to them at John 6:20 by saying ego eimi (usually rendered into English as "It is I"), and their reaction was certainly not that of those who had come into the presence of God!So the meaning of that sentence is
" "I existed before Abraham was born."AS PLENTY of Bible translations say
John 1:1 does not say Jesus is the Almighty God. The Bible does not teach that there is only ONE God but that there is only ONE MOST HIGH God,who mst be worshipped.Jesus is god,Satan is god,angels are gods. READ PSALMS 82.
"I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High."
(PSalms 82:6)
So,the subject is not who is God and who is not. The matter is who is to be worshipped and who is not. And the Bible says that the ONLY ONE who is to be worshipped is the FATHER.
You have misunderstood the scriptures because you obviously do not know the ancient greek language
John 20:28 =
The context of John 20:24, 25, and 29 shows that Thomas refused to believe that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead. Jesus’ statements before and after Thomas’ exclamation (“my Lord and my God!”) show not only that Jesus wanted Thomas to believe that he had been resurrected to life but that he could not possibly be God.John himself has made it manifestly clear that “no one has ever seen God” - 1 John 4:12. Even if Thomas called Jesus as God,the Bible cannot be contraddicted to that- every being above human nature is god.
Mathew 2:11,14:33 =The original greek verb is προσκυνέω which means do obeisance by falling down- it does not mean worship. The verb worship is λατρευω a completely different verb.Abraham did the same to the angels,Lot did the same- it doesn't mean they worshipped them
So Revelation 22:7-9 does not contradict the idea that only the Father is to be worshipped. The verb προσκυνέω and λατρεύω are completely different
Remember what Jesus said ? "‘Worship *the Lord your God* and serve Him only" (Mat 4:10)
Just an advice- try to understand the ORIGINAL greek words and do not base on the KJV - only the greek language is the inspired language of the New Testament
The Jehovah's witnesses are the best teachers I have ever come across
WOW!!! You have just convinced me dedicating myself to the WT. I will spread the good news as of today. God bless you.
The very worst
Except for them teaching false doctrine and adding words to the Bible to make it fit their narrative.
Yeah teaching the word of "SATAN"
Jeff once again discussing and reaching out with love, gotta love it. A lot better than some of the other theological WWE matches out there. Respect
Love and lies, love and lies - Jesus didn't behave this way ...
Man. This guy is brilliant!
Wow finally tackling on JW's now! Good work Jeff!
It's funny, some of the first videos (from 9 years ago) are Jeff debating some JWs, and the flow of the conversation is remarkably similar.
Actually he got stiff armed by this man at cart!
You can't get anything past Jeff he knows his history and the Bible to the letter. God bless him for his work.
What did Jeff know about history? Did you know many be burned at the stake for not believing the trinity? Look it up.
@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951 you are hopping around time periods. During the 1500s people were burned for preaching against the trinity by the Inquisition.... some 1,500 years after Christ died.
However, there is proof that the Trinity was taught in 183 and 300AD. Older people were still alive during the apostles time. THEY believed Jesus was God.
Even Arian, at the Council that ALL the Christian leaders attended and agreed that Arian was a heretic. They ALL were in agreement.
The a Jehovah's Witness teaching about Jesus was said to be heresy by ALL the early Christians.
He is a very respectful person and obviously very well read. However there is a debate to be had about some of things he said about the Greek about and about John 1:1 and the “other” he talks about in the NWT. But a really lovely guy, dedicated, sincere and honest as was the brother.
@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951Jeff is not a Roman Catholic
This is so good. This gift PS Geoff has is wonderful to be able to remember this Greek.
John 14:28
You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
All of your comment does not mean that he is the God almighty. I quite agreed with you that Jehovah God has given him a position higher than any other angel in the heaven but the Bible book of 1 Corinthian 15 :24 - 28 says that "Next, the end, when he (JESUS) hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father (JEHOVAH), when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God (JEHOVAH) has put all enemies under his feet.a 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’d it is evident that this does not include the One (JEHOVAH) who subjected all things to him (JESUS). 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him(JESUS), then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."
So Bible still maintains the fact that there is God Jehovah, higher in the Heavens above Jesus Christ who raised Jesus from the dead, and HE is the one that does all thing. Please do not put our HEAVEN FATHER JEHOVAH under Jesus christ our lord. IT is something God does not share with any being.
LoL you mention one BIBLE verse and that people disagree with and people are after you.
Quite simply all of Gods will has become yes through Christ.It doesn't make them equal in any way.Jesus was the fulfilment of prophecy.Never did Jesus say he was equal to God only that he existed in heaven before he was on the earth.
Akin Akinlolu
John 8:24
There.
I just destroyed the argument for Jahovah Witnesses, Muslims, and Mormons.
👏😎😇
Terance Lewis What does this prove?
The Jehovah's witness dude is seriously chewing on that gum! He's trying to stop himself from interrupting lol 💛 Love this! Praise God for you!
Praise God for men that destroy a humans personal belief cause dude read in a book that Jews are fake? Wow praise God we can't deport all Immigrants!
when jesus was getting baptised in front of baptised john they both heard held from the heavens a voice and it said this is my beloved son , truly i say if jesus was standing on land then who spoke"'"'"'?
tim spangler u explained to me from the heavens who spoke and said this is my beloved son was Jesus talking please explain that
peter koumbridis It was God the father speaking of God the son.
Srt Cat exactly correct so Jesus himself said I do my father will so god himself made that clear no other but u must worship now Jehovah name not Jesus it written in the Bible 7thousands times yet why don't the prist mentions his holy name I tell u why the devil very cunning deceive people liking so make Jesus God and let everyone believe look at the old testament from the Greek scriptures bring his name out 3,6exodous
Hey Jeff I wanna hear you speak with muslims
Yeah, they need to hear the gospel too!
AP
You put the "awesome" in Awesome Possum. But it's Opossum, dude. ;-)
bowrudder Oh well lol, good way to rhyme!
There's a sleepy Muslim, right on cue! ;-)
Abdullah
Jesus did die, was buried, and rose again, just like he said he would.
And he is God, just like he claimed.
And he is the Messiah across the board; there isn't one Messiah for the Jews, and one for everyone else.
But before we go any further, I need to know if you are a real Muslim. Do you follow the Sunna of Mohammed?
Now that, that is how adults who disagree should have conversations. That was lovely.
I Trust Jehovah.
Wise words indeed - GOD bless
Jesus is Jehovah, (YAHWEH)
@@jesuschristsaves9067 Jehovah ( YAHWEH) IS THE FATHER AND JESUS IS THE SON
If Jesus is Jehovah, as you say, then who is Jesus' GOD in heaven? At whose right hand is He seated?
Needless to say, we don't have to look very hard to see the folly in such reasoning - the Bible tells us that YHWH sent forth His word and that His word obeyed Him...
@@smalltimer4370
You don’t need much reasoning to demonstrate that Jesus is Jehovah.
*Yahweh*
_“Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.”_
Psalms 102:25-27 KJV
*Jesus*
_“And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.”_
Hebrews 1:10-12 KJV
Possessing titles that can only be applied to God(alpha and omega, beginning and end, first and the last..) and even claiming to be the I AM, and even having the work of creation ascribed to Him only makes it painfully obvious.
Jehovah’s witnesses assume that God only has one name and that name has no meaning other than the personal name of God. One of God’s name is I Am, because He just is.
Camera work by Ray Charles
Hahaha too funny.
Dude, that made my day. Hahaha
😁To funny
He was trying to not be seen I'm guessing
Why is the camera man hiding. Lol
How bout in Isaiah it reads that his name shall be called,
Wonderful, Counselor,
Everlasting Father.
Yashua said, "I am the Alpha, the Omega, the beginning, & the end, the 1st, & the Last. I am the ROOT, & the offspring of David, & the bright & morning star.
Jesus never called himself the alpha,what translation are you using lol
@@kevinhicks5143
Hey, Hick
I think u need 2 brush up on your BIBLE homeboy, bc your ignorance is on full display. Not only does HE say it, HE says in Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 22 dude. KJV. If Ignorance is bliss, u must be swimming in a sea of sh!☆
L0L???🤔.
Arrogance & Ignorance seems 2b ur strong suit. Its MosDef not researching b4 typing or reading ur bible as ever1 can tell, so when grown folks is talking, close ur mouth. For a wise man will HEAR & LEARNING shall INCREASE.
@@kneegrow8486
Again Jesus never put himself above God, and in that verse he says he is Almighty which would make him Jehovah not Jesus.I implore you to read 1 Corinthians 15:26,27,28 and this scripture cannot be twisted by satanic doctrine that puts Jesus our savior equal to God ,look up the definition of Trinity then try looking up the actual origins,i hope this will help you 🙏
@@kevinhicks5143
1st of all, how can GOD put himself above GOD. Either, HE was, who he said HE was, or HE was a liar. HE said HE was the Alpha & the Omega, the beginning & the End, the 1st & the Last, did HE not? In the old Testament The Father is known as the shepherd, is HE not? In the new testament, who identifies as the good shepherd? HE said to her, go your sins be forgiven, & the pharisees murmured, that HE blaspheme, who can forgive sin, but GOD alone? Emanuel means GOD with us. Oh btw Jehovah??? I know, no GOD by that name, nor do I recognize this greek word "jesus" as the Saviours name either. The letter J was invented 600yrs ago. HE said I come in my Fathers name. YHWH is pronounced Yahweh the & the SONS name is Yahshua more accurately translated Joshua n2 English
@@kneegrow8486
Your exactly correct God can't put himself above himself, God cannot die,Jesus never made himself equal to God ,The Bible said Jesus took a form lower than Angels by coming to earth, Jesus said he was returning to his Father and his God ,He is the only begotten son of God the first born of creation ,the same Hebrew word that was used for Abraham's son , i can go on and on .Again Jesus is a mighty God but He is never mentioned as the Almighty God.And Rev. Is always referring to Jehovah as the alpha not his son .
Definition of Trinity: Three devine persons each said to be eternal,each said to be Almighty, non greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet being one God,statements of this dogma emphasize that these three persons are not separate or distinct individuals but are three modes in which the devine essence exist.
YHWH is in the original texts such as the dead see scroll over 7000 times,more than any other name in the Bible so the name is very important, just because we don't now how the original Hebrew pronounced his name we now what the meaning is ( he who causes to become).we don't now how to pronounce any Hebrew names but it doesn't stop us from using are vocabulary to get there meanings,Adam ,Noa, Abraham, Isaac, David,Jesus. What ever makes you feel better i guess use it .
Triune gods date back to babylonians and egiptions they have satanic origns do some research on them you may be surprised.
Other than that may Jesus are lord and Jehovah his God and ours come soon
to bring his kingdom on earth as it is in heaven
Versus isn’t a good way to characterize this polite discussion. I don’t agree with Cedric or JWs but I thought he was very honest and respectful. This world needs more discussion like this. 👏
My Jehovah’s Witness nan gave permission for another relative to steal all of my belongings as punishment to go with the shunning for having the audacity to expose the abuse within my family, including my aunt who was found to be abusing her own son yet is still a Witness to this very day 😢
There’s a few videos detailing the abuse on my channel..
Excellent dialogue brother. Praise God
John K Which God? My God is greater than your God.
" I live because of the Father..." Jesus gives credit to his Father for his very existence. ( John 6: 57 )
Exactly
Thats out of context. Read from 32-59
@@bigzachful completely out of context
Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
The entire way thru he explains that he is the one sent by his father, hence the bread story. All things go through him that’s why we pray to god but in the name of his son.
San Tropez lol the trinity only came because of Constantine that’s all one big lie