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Typically Protestants will assert Ephesians 2:8-9 which says:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Since “works” have nothing to do with our justification they then argue that man is justified by “faith alone”. Obviously the biggest issue with this take is that when Paul says “works” he had a very specific kind of works in mind which would be “natural human works”. Paul wasn’t saying that “supernatural good works” cannot result in justification. In fact he’s admitting that those kind of works can and do result in justification in Romans 2:13 where he says:
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
And then there is of course Romans 2:6-7 which says:
“who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;”
When it comes to this particular passage what a Protestant will argue is that this was some kind of hypothetical[i.e; you could be justified by the law if you could keep it but obviously nobody can or does]. The problem with that particular argument is that John’s Revelation doubles down on what Paul is saying:
[Revelation 22:12]
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.”
Was Our Lord likewise speaking hypothetically? Certainly not. Especially when Paul clarifies that the “reward” is the inheritance of eternal life in his letter to the Colossians:
“since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”(Colossians 3:24)
The “reward” being talked about in Rev.22:12 is the “inheritance” from Col.3:24 which is alternatively referred to as “eternal life” in Romans 2:6-7.
SO WHY ALL THE CONFUSION?
Primarily the confusion is because Protestants don’t have a developed theology about merit. They do not understand that God’s rewards can be gifts and God’s gifts can be rewards. So if God rewards my good works with the “gift” of eternal life then I “cannot boast” and say that God gave me what he owed me because He didn’t. It wasn’t a strict obligation. It was just Him being nice. Or as Paul says:
““Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”(Romans 11:35)
Another passage that Protestants will appeal to is Romans 3:20 which says:
“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”
However St.Augustine had a very well-reasoned commentary on this particular passage. He writes:
“When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but ⭐️AFTER⭐️ justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit.”-St.Augustine, Faith and Works
Luther himself hated this commentary of course, saying:
““It was Augustine's view that the law...if the Holy Spirit assists, the works of the law do justify…I reply by saying "No".” (Luther's Works 54, 49)
Obviously Luther was at a loss as to give a satisfactory rebuttal to St.Augustine’s analysis. He very quietly conceded that there was another form of justification that was not a matter of “faith alone” but through works also. He writes:
“There are two kinds of righteousness that is the righteousness of another, instilled from without. This is the righteousness of Christ by which he justifies through faith... The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness. This is the manner of life spent profitably in good works..." -Martin Luther, Two Kinds of Righteousness, 1519.
This is something of a “come to Jesus” moment for Luther, since in calling this “other” justification “proper” and a result of cooperation with works, he has in fact adopted the Catholic position.
@@DUB-Track quote----.. I read NASB,... unquote
Okay
Acts 9:31--which Catholics inisist is saying "universal"
.Acts 9:31
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
WHERE are the words "universal" or "Catholic"??? READ THAT verse again. It mentiones THREE areas near Israel.
Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
>>>>>>
Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
>>>>>Acts 20:7 Catholics insist that is a Sunday communion.
New American Standard Bible
7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [a]message until midnight.
#1--They leave out the facts in verse 11, that they ATE a meal.
#2--Had that been the Sabbath, paul was about to break it by traveling by ship!!!
#3--NO mention of worship or communion!!!
Paul was talking about his travels.
-----1 Corinthians 16:2-- Another verse Catholics use to prove Sunday us a holy day.
On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. ... .
Why does NO ONE ask what the collections is for??? All asumptions is what catholics preach..
First Corinthians 16:1 contains specific instructions to the Corinthians about a collection for poor Christians in Jerusalem. Each person must set aside some money on the first day of each week, meaning Sunday. A FAMINE in Jerusalem!!!!!
-----Catholics claim an idol ,image is NOT against God's commandment.
Exodus 20:3-11
New American Standard Bible
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the [c]punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing [d]favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
------Catholics claim the Sabbath is Sunday.
Ex 20:8-11 New American Standard Bible
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your [f]resident who [g]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
--Catholics claim Mary was assumed into heaven..
That CONTRADICTS GOD!!!!
(btw--to assume--to believe in something with NO facts--NO proof)
John 3:13 New American Standard Bible
No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there. ... And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son ...
--..Catholics claim we go to heaven when we die.
----Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
New American Standard Bible
5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
----Psalm 6:5
New American Standard Bible
5 For there is no mention of You in death;
In Sheol (grave) , who will praise You?
-----Ecclesiastes 12:7
New American Standard Bible
7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the [a]spirit will return to God who gave it.
----Psalm 146:4
New American Standard Bible
4 His spirit departs, he returns to [a]the earth;
On that very day his plans perish.
----Ecclesiastes 9:6
New American Standard Bible
6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
-----Genesis 3:19
New American Standard Bible
19 By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”
------James 2:26
New American Standard Bible
26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
-----Job 14:10-12
New American Standard Bible
10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water [a]evaporates from the sea,
And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist,He will not awake nor be woken from his sleep.
-----John 3:13
New American Standard Bible
13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
-----Hebrews 9:27
New American Standard Bible
27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
-----Revelation 20:4
New American Standard Bible
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12
New American Standard Bible
12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist, e will not awake nor be woken from
his sleep.
-----Revelation 20:15
New American Standard Bible
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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@@DUB-Track I read NASB,
-----Catholics claim (some do) that Mary should be worshiped
Luke 4:8
New American Standard Bible
8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
--------What does the Bible say about true worship of God?
For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “
------Isaiah 42:8
New American Standard Bible
8 I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols.
----Catholics claim Mary remained a virgin.
Mark 6:3
New American Standard Bible
3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
(They are talking about Jesus!!!-Unless they had NO idea of who Jesus was.)
Mark 15:40
New American Standard Bible
40 Now there were also some women watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.
----Jewish Laws--Mitzvot #Mitzvot #124 Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations from your wife.
(Exodus 21:10)
#125. To have children from her.
(Genesis 1:28)
Had mary NOT given Joseph children, she WOULD have been a sinner for NOT obeying the Jewish Law!!!
And:
1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital ...
----The bible NEVER mentions any long standing vow they made!!!
----1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Who claims Mary is without sin???
1 John 1:8-10 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
because : Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
New American Standard Bible
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
>>>>Catholics claim Mary is in heaven.
John 3:13
New American Standard Bible
13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
----Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
----John 5:29
New American Standard Bible
29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
---JoIsaiah 26:19
New American Standard Bible
19 Your dead will live;
[a]Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the [b]dawn,
And the earth will [c]give birth to the [d]departed spirits.hn 5:28-29
New American Standard Bible
28 Do not be amazed at this; for [a]a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
------Hebrews 9:27
New American Standard Bible
27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
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It would be fun to see them simply go head to head with How to Be Christian, not to mention Tent Horn or Jimmy Akin. Maybe a priest like Father Mike Schmitz. Random street ppl are rarely confident enough to challenge anyone.
Catholicism has some problems, so does Calvinism, both men are Christians though, saved by Gods Grace through faith is Christ.
To the Catholic's credit, I was there that day (not Catholic, Reformed Baptist) and we were all there to protest the murder of the unborn at the Arizona State Capitol. I have huge disagreements with the Catholic church, but they'll turn out en masse to save babies and I appreciate that a lot.
You heard from a knowledgeable Catholic about their faith
its always sad how protestants talk about the church christ founded, it hurts my soul you feel the need to discredit us with lies, cause we also belief that we are saved through christ, Catholicism is the truth, and so is purgatory. I pray you humble yourself to accept the Lords wisdom. Its such a sad faith, im ex protestant, how can you say you love Jesus while talking bad about his mother (not you, protestants in general) is beyond me.
As a life long Baptist, we truly believe the word of God. The Catholic faith has added to this gospel and why Luther protested. While upset about what is being said, listen to the reasoning through the lens of Scriptures.
@@markbartlett5049 Who is your authority when it comes to interpreting scripture?
@d.t.7739 Jesus left the HOLY SPIRIT for us to interpret, not pedophile priests and popes. The cathecisms and papal decrees are not Biblical. RESEARCH!!! They kept adding falsehood about Mary in the 1870s!!! Study a Bible for yourself. Scripture interprets Scriptures. One Mediator and One Sacrifice. Every day priests perform a Mass, they literally think Jesus is crucified over and over and over.
"If you really think that you can endure and enjoy the full light and fire of God for a second after you die, being essentially the same kind of being you are now, without any kind of divine operation on your soul, then you dangerously underestimate either your sinful nature, God's holiness, or the gap between them." - Dr. Peter Kreeft
Ephesians chapter 2-8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
James 2:14-26 ❤✝️❤️
Hi Jess, St. Paul is contrasting grace from works here, not faith and works. It requires faith to cooperate with God's grace in the first place. It's not either or it's both/and for faith and works 😊
Additionally, the works St. Paul speaks of in Romans are not the moral law. His point is that our works don't save us, not that they aren't required.
It’s by that faith that prompts us to do works. You must have faith for your works to be true. Faith first, works as a result
@@scarybarry1323 Can you lose your initial justification imputed at the moment of regeneration?
@@rickduka yeah you see, you’re using language the Catholic Church made up to justify your theologically Catholic viewpoint. That’s the problem: I made my argument from the word, you did not.
One of them is listening... One of them is telling the other what that other believes.. not letting the other finish his points and judging the other.. this is not a fair conversation at all.
Multiple great conversations did you watch the entire video ?
That's free for all Christianity for you. I do what I want to do, I believe what I want to believe. I'll do it my way, I am the authority!
One of them are hard hearted and stiff necked as God said, when He rejected Isreal. No one who follows Roman Catholicism can understand scripture and that's a fact friend. I love all of you, but the truth is not in religion and certainly far from Rome. The difference is God internationally blinded Israel and hasn't forsaken them. A Gentile will be held accountable
But what is supremely important is the truth the Word of God expresses is being revealed !
I agree. I would have likes to hear both sides...within interruption from the other.
Pastors need debate Priests... clearly the Pastor has worked hard at perfecting this approach... most admirable. Would love to hear him chat with Bishop Barron... I am not pro the weaponizing of the Bible but if it must have to happen then set it up with equally matched candidates... without malice.
That’s why we must ‘contend for the faith!’
@briancuff549 not Interested.... I have enough Truth as a Catholic... if you Protestant and worried Bout me... thank you that's sweet... go focus on another group... You clearly have things worked out... not interested in going toe to toe.... I have one Church you have 20 000 to choose from all disagreeing with each other concentrate on that.... I'm ok here.... and when you done... move on to Scientologists Athiests etc etc... lastly ... the book we facilitated for you to attack us with... it's for free ... with Love
Every RC priest and RC always gives me answers saying the Church believes this and that for 100yrs. Never from plain scripture, if they did it was always to shoehorn and try to fit their beliefs and bias. Read all the NT and see for yourself. I too was RC til started to read the Bible
@@ddino2549there is a book called Where's that in the Bible? BY Patrick Madrid. It uses just scripture to easily point out what you're questioning.
Check out the many debates James White has with Rome.
I respect and appreciate greatly the fact that Jeff Durbin has enabled people to openly comment in this channel, unlike James White. I would love to see a debate between Jeff vs Tim Spales (Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or Joe Heschmeyer) on Justification. @Jeff... May God bless, guide, and protect you always! 🙏🏼
Problem is his approach basically using typical fundamentalist attacks and giving Catholic no time to respond. He is hitting at Deep Catholic beliefs and reality of sacraments that are Christ’s active ministry to us through He Himself.
So he is reinforcing ideas that further entrench fundamentalists.
This morning I finished reading the first public exorcism in the Church hundreds of years ago that included Calvinist and other protestant ministers.
In the end the Eucharist defeated the devils, not the Protestant bread and the demon said he is the one who founded these heretical belief systems within Protestantism.
One Calvinist repented and became Catholic, the rest left just like those who left Christ prior to the Last Supper.
Thank you for having and sharing these conversations. Jeff did a fantastic job explaining Romans 4 and our declared righteousness, and our standing before God, in Christ.
This protestant acts cocky..not as bad as James White but cocky nonetheless
Truly blessed, great job sir 👏
❤ Thanks. Every time I listen to Jeff I learn something new.
I learn Jeff isn't very good at defending Sola fide or Sola scripture.
@@dman7668 Well no one can defend both because Sola Scriptura disproves Sola Fide 🤣
@@dman7668or defending the existence of a god. But hey, he keeps trying and I’ll give him credit for that.
Like what ??? that he is nothing but a circle talker ??? he interrupts the guy just to put him down over and over again … first the Bible was given by the Catholic Church read the early church fathers and your Protestant garbage will crumble… trying to bring the true church to Protestants is like throwing perls in front of pigs … they are just as narrow minded as the Pharisees that demanded the crucifixion of Jesus
That sweet, kind, humble Catholic girl who shaded his face from the hot sun!
She was sweet, I hope she will leave the Catholic Church and enjoy the freedom found in Christ
@@DanielMotesSEO We appreciate your prayers for God's will for our lives. Thank you.
@ritav89 you're welcome! I love to pray for the lost. I know people prayed for me when I was lost.
@@DanielMotesSEO May God bless you.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST will be back soon.
Please pray for me as well for the evangelism I do, I would appreciate that. I will pray for you as well. :)
@@DanielMotesSEO Respectfully, your comment is ignorant. Catholics have full freedom in Christ.
As Catholics we don't agree with your interpretations of works because you interpret works apart from the law, and therefore disregard scripture that says works of the law.
I'm glad to see you're doing well. These questions and debates were a lot more civil than what I had seen years ago. Keep up the good work. ❤
Not all Protestants believe in calvinism. Just throwing that out there!
True these are never Catholic versus protestant debates it’s always a protestant versus protestant
Catholicism is a Cult.
@@pedroavella7615how so? Seems like Calvinism vs Catholic?
@@theSparkyWattsI'm a protestant but I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe it completely mischaracterizes God, as the woman points out in the video with the whole reprobate issue. I love Calvinist brothers and sisters but staunchly disagree with their soteriology.
@@VinceOlson96 I'm Catholic and I agree with you. Most of the Protestants I know don't follow Calvinistic teachings.
I'm 49 and recently reborn,other religions need to stop reading between the lines,stop adding things to God's words and just use common sense.There is only one way to the kingdom and that's through Jesus Christ period!
It's that simple. John 3 16.
Amen! And Jesus built only one Church, not thousands of denominations, which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@petros-estin-petra- thats not even true. The church are the people that follow jesus. Not a catholic church.
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg
but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, *which is the church* of the living God, *the pillar and support of the truth*
1 Timothy 3:15 LSB
@@petros-estin-petra- that doesent mean it's talking about the catholic church lol.
I enjoy listening to Jeff dialogue with people. He is patient, eloquent, respectful, brilliant, and loving.
I pray that God would help open Jeff’s heart to the truth that the doctrine of Calvinism does not represent who He is. These words are coming from a believer that was a Calvinist twenty years ago.
I really appreciate what you do Jeff. How you sit and reason with people according to the scriptures.
no reasoning was done here hahaha. Jeff is manipulating the conversation to get clicks. This is protestant bait content.
@@tuckerlamping7885 agree 💯
This is such a great friendly discussion!
Just a little over 2 years saved here. All the sins that I used to commit on a daily basis has stopped. All glory to God. So far it seems like when we truly fall in love with God we stop committing the sins and we become alert for every sins that comes in front of us and because of our faithfulness to God, we make better decisions.
Another thing. Works comes from our love for God and not so that we can look good for him. Following Jesus has helped me greatly. Life changer.
I love that you have been saved and have a love for Christ!
As you grow you will become aware of sins that you may not be aware of today.
It’s awesome that you’ve been relieved of gross sins that you mention. Sanctification is a life long process.
I know this because it was after many years of being saved that I truly understood some of my sins that were against a holy God. Sins I had not even thought of earlier in my walk with Jesus.
The longer we are in Christ the more we see our sins as glaring acts against a truly holy God.
The bible says anyone who says they have no sins is a liar
Ummm I’m sure you still sin otherwise there would be no need for a SAVIOR
Amen, when you get truly saved from satan's bondage, spirit resurrected and sonship restored, God's Spirit starts to guide and teach us to become Christ like, now able to live in God's nature, no desire to sin anymore.
(The true meaning of sin is living in satan's nature, the fallen condition we are all born into.)
Are you able to share with us from the Bible how a person gets saved without the Sacraments? I hear a lot of Protestants claim salvation while at the same time denying the Sacraments and I am just wondering where in the Bible do they get that teaching from?
Great conversations! I really like the patient and civil discussion about doctrinal differences. Great examples on both sides.
I can debunk both sides. Know greek translation on the biblical content. John,acts, revelation and other 100 💯 verses nail 💅 it to the cross. Confession James 5.
Pope fake francis endorsement of LGBT 123 and his false dogmas. Vatican is infiltration is there
These kinds of videos are why I keep watching Jeff!
Would you like to have a debate with Trent Horn, Apologia Studio(Jeff Durbin)?
No, he wouldn't.
He only debates the toughest of catholic apologists, y'know, random people on the street on their way to get some groceries
James White does that and is an Elder at Apologia, so technically Apologia has debated Horn and won of course.
I have to politely disagree that he came anywhere close to winning.
@@DanielMotesSEOyeah no sorry man James white did not. James white refuses to debate Jimmy akin.
@@DanielMotesSEOJames white debating Tim Staples
What an amazing beautiful courteous conversation. Loved it
Interruptions aren't beautiful mate
@@iddodomingo6118 ok.
I'm proud roman catholik I'm watching from Philippines God blessed to all roman catholik.
Thank God for Jeff and the guys
Wonderfully done. And kudos to the Catholics for having a genuine conversation and asking good questions.
Great job Jeff. Kudos to Jeff for having a genuine conversation and answering their questions. Also for showing the contradictions in their thinking.
@matthewens509 I'm sorry, but I'll give him credit until Jeff actually speaks to Catholic Christians who KNOW scripture. Jeff would not be able to say much because he will not have the same level of understanding as a true Catholic Christian would. It would be like a college professor (Catholic Christian that KNOWS) teaching a student from middle school (Jeff).
@@richyaxl1151Catholics teach purgatory, worship of Mary & the saints as intercessors (Jesus is the ONLY intercessor) & that baptism is for original sin not to mention vain repetition through the priest who supposedly “absolves” you when he clearly can’t Catholicism is covered in legalities, rituals & traditions that take us away from Jesus. They celebrate the “Virgin Mary” more than Christ which is way off
Catholic seems lost
Calvinist believe in once saved always saved that's why they are lost. Research passage Natural Branches KJV. 🎙️drop
That’s allot of seeds pastor Durban, Iwish with all my heart you would be my pastor, teacher and motivator, blessing brother to you and yours! Peace 🕊️
God bless you brother Jeff awesome watching the Holy Spirit working in you with patience and love sharing the gospel planting seeds❤️☝🏽🙏🏽 all glory to Jesus Christ our Savior
Great explanation and sharing of the gospel. I learned a lot.
James 2- 18-26
26 For as a body without a spirit is dead, so also Faith without works is dead.
I updated my comment to show the scripture verse. It's very sad that most of the responses have no idea that I was quoting scripture. James 2- 20 " Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?".
But the works come after and because of saving faith as we can’t work our way to God.
@@briancuff549That's what the Catholic Church teaches too. Pelagianism was condemned a very long time ago already.
@@briancuff549that's what the Catholic Church teaches!!!
Open your eyes. Stop reading Jack Chick comics.
Please define what “works” mean
Love is a work.
Satan hates to see Jesus on the cross cause it reminds him of Christ victory.
Like Paul said, I preach Christ crucified
The quote is crucified, past tense. and although I am no expert on what satan likes or dislikes, I believe an empty tomb conveys the message far better. I don't see how a portrayal of Jesus suffering would be anything but pleasing to satan.
His victory was his resurrection.
@@scrufinator1past tense??? Then why did Paul say it past tense?
Because Paul was after Christ’s resurrection. Jesus was no longer on the cross for He lives. ❤
Gal 2:20-21 KJV
20 (((I am))) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; (((yet not I))), (((but Christ liveth in me))): (((and the life which I now live in the flesh))) (((I live))) (((by the faith))) (((OF))) (((the Son of God))), who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 (((I do not frustrate the grace of God))): (((for if righteousness come by the law))), (((then Christ is dead in vain))).
CHRIST CRUCIFIED REPRESENTS US BEING DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD!
CHRIST RESURRECTED, REPRESENTS RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A GIFT RECEIVED BY FAITH.
Romans 6:7-11 KJV
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead DIETH (((NO MORE)); death hath (((NO MORE))) dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin (((ONCE))); but in that he liveth, (((he liveth unto God))). [NO BLOODLESS REPEATED SACRIFICE / MASS NEEDED]
11 Likewise (((reckon))) / [BELIEVE] ye also yourselves (((to be dead indeed unto sin))), (((but alive unto God))) (((through Jesus Christ our Lord))). DO YOU BELIEVE?
Romans 1:16-17
King James Version
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for (((IT))) (((IS))) (((the power of God))) (((unto salvation))) (((to every one that believeth))); to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For (((therein))) / [GOSPEL / GOOD NEWS] (((IS))) (((the righteousness of God))) [AS A GIFT] (((revealed))) from [OLD COVENANT] faith to [NEW COVENANT] faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS]
2Cor 5:21 KJV
21 For he [GOD THE FATHER] (((hath made him) / [JESUS] (((to be sin))) (((for us))), who knew no sin; (((that we might be made))) (((the righteousness of God in him))).
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
SALVATION IS NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S DOGMATIC SACRAMENTS
BUT RATHER BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE , THROUGH GODS GRACE LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST! Eph 2:8-9
PEACE
Thank you Jeff Durbin and James White for my journey to Roman Catholicism!
Welcome to original Christianity.
You both were warned.
Galatians 1:8
“But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.”
PSALMS 118:8 👑
“It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man”
Jesus Christ is the only way,truth and the life. Catholic dogma has works involved to be saved. Read john s gospel @mikemcnamara3777
I’m becoming a catholic too
All I kept thinking was wouldn’t it be great if Sam Shamoun turned up to join this conversation. Praise God
Sam Shamoun is not Jesus. He is a mortal like any man. The fact that he validates Catholicism doesn't mean Catholicism is true. Put your faith on Jesus, not Sam Shamoun.
@@_Be_Still well said
@@_Be_Stillapply that statement to Jeff Durban too
@@RA4JDurban forbid
@@RA4JJesus validates everything Jeff said. Catholicism isn't biblical.
Hallelujah! Been waiting for another video like this. It’s been a while. God bless you Jeff 🙏🏾
And Jesus said read this in memory of me. Opps He said do this in remembrance of me. Is early church fathers. Long before the scriptures were even written.❤❤
Respectfully, I’m waiting for the day that Jeff talks to a Catholic apologist instead of repeating the same old rhetoric inherited from Dr. White.
Excellent work. Excellent video. Loved every minute of it. Thank You
I've been struggling with assurance lately after walking with him for years. I'm listening to this debate just because I'm always interested in apologetics and love the Apologia crew. Hearing these truths of the Gospel is refreshing. I look at myself to often and see my failures so clearly and easily lose heart. But hearing the Gospel always reminds me to look at Christ and his perfect obedience, death and resurrection and I have hope again. I need to hear and preach the Gospel to myself daily.
Find a Catholic Church to receive the Work of God in Holy Communion.Dont rely on yourself, rely on Jesus.
The Catholic Church misses the Gospel and adds works to salvation. Anything you add to salvation is like saying that Jesus's sacrifice wasn't good enough. Rest in the work He has done. It is finished.
@@DanielMotesSEO The Catholic Church is the One, True Church... "Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no Life within you."
@DanielMotesSEO Exactly. I can’t understand how you could be saved and believe Jesus died for your sins but also believe you can still go to hell. Jesus’ sacrifice was for my past, present, and future sins. Adding anything else is literally telling Jesus that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
@@traviscoston5238 If you have mortal sin on your soul when you die, that's how... Truth & Life RSV-CE
19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
21 whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.
Acts 3:19-21 RSV-CE
Smart lady I was waiting for the answer to her questions, I'm trying to wrap my head around this too
The problem is the doctrine of the modern Catholic Church is light years different than the reformed Protestant church. There is countless caveats and nuances to reformed doctrine, as there is with Catholic doctrine. The Protestant doctrine is clear and biblical, but she has a completely different view of most Protestant doctrines. It may seem, at times, like he hasn’t answered her question, but its only because either he needs to explain further, cause she’s not picking up on the nuance, or they’ve gone off on a different tangent. That would be like me saying to a Catholic, “do you teach that everything that the pope says is infallible.” And of course the Catholic would respond,”no, only what is ex cahedra.” Then I were to not understand the nuance of what Catholics mean by infallibility and then proceed to assume the Catholic hasn’t answered my question. Look, a lot of what Jeff says, which I agree with, is a cause for debate even amongst fellow Protestants, it’s a far broader debate when dealing with Catholicism, cause you have to deal with purgatory, the immaculate conception, sola scriptura, transubstantiation, veneration of saints…. The list goes on.
Tp which one? The why do we sin after we are saved?
Praise God for your beautiful ministry. May God continue to use you with love and power to testify about God's love. God bless you brother. Greetings from Reading Pennsylvania
The voice of a Bible study educator. I respect it.
If the communion/ Eucurist was just
Physical bread and wine, why would St Paul warn the church not to eat or drink it unworthily???
Paul not St Paul. In the Bible it’s Paul not St Paul
I believe he means do not come to God to remember the sacrifice of Christ without being in a good place spiritually. A bit like if you have something against your brother don't come to the temple until after you make right what is wrong.
Coming to the memorial table to honor what Christ did for us (“do this in *remembrance* of me”) while being in willful disobedience through unrepentant sin is dishonoring the work of Christ, that’s what Paul means by eating and drinking in an unworthy manner. If the sacrament itself cleansed us of sin there wouldn’t be a problem, would there.
“This is my body broken for you … this is my blood …” Is just like the classic commercial “this is your brain (shows an egg), this is your brain on drugs (cracks the egg in a hot frying pan)” It’s the same thing. The egg is not our literal brain. Christ was presenting the elements as representations of what He was about to do for all believers.
@@kevinmbangue9226 you really make me laugh…. Who gave you the bible kevin ? Tell me I wanna know where it came from please because I believe it’s fake.
That's certainly one interpretation@@mishalleno-zj2zm
I love @ 7:00 how he said “he had nothing to offer God” how true of us all but he still accepts us! That hit home.
Amen, Pastor Jeff Durbin! Preach it, my brother! 🙌
If a saved person can’t lose their salvation, why did Paul write to Timothy and say
“If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;”
2 Timothy 2:12 NASB1995
Why did James write this
“My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
James 5:19-20 NASB1995
God Bless Apologia, Pastor Durbin & Pastor White ✝️🙏🏻✝️
They both lost no protestant can't stand against the church that put the new testament together by the holy spirit guiding the bride of Christ.
The Catholics actually did a pretty good job here .. maybe the online Catholic apologetic sphere which has been coming on strong lately is rubbing off on regular Catholics
Close...but close only counts with horeshoes and hand grenades. 2 Peter 2 tell us that "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves."
There's a hint of truth to every cult and every false teaching. What it comes down to is "was Jesus enough?"
Recent convert here. And Trent Horn is just about a Saint. Every doubt I had about the True church he explained.
Professional pastor vs lay Catholic. Why oh why does the pastor have to misrepresent Catholicism? Is that Calvanism 101?
@@StringofPearls55 it is the only way to slander the Church. If one is honest and removes bias you end up Catholic.
@@davidfunk6698 True.
Through Jesus we are being TRANSFORMED FROM justification to sanctification to GLORIFICATION.
The RC church teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is NOT enough. That is what we are protesting.
That is absolutely not what they teach.
The girl can articulate herself, shes studied and is aware. Commendable
I wish he actually listened when she spoke. He seems to just be rehearsing his responses the whole time and cutting her off. Very irritating.
@@truthnotlies That is Protestantism for you. He already "knows" she is wrong. He is an experienced debater and she is a random off the street so eventually he will be able to confuse her into a position where he can make her look wrong. She she did well to defend the truth.
You seriously can't be trying to make Jeff look like the bad guy.
He didn't belittle her once and she never felt offended.
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So don't take some imaginary moral highway to nowhere, they're simply debating and doing it very cordialy.
That being said, this is a matter of a position vs a counter position - this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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"If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small."
-Proverbs 24:10 📖
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If you can't defeat Jeff's arguments then your strength is small and you need more strength.
Strength is of the Lord.
Be in line with His Word, and you'll have all the strength you need to overcome, not Jeff Durbin, but the evil one who is the father of lies and the author of confusion.
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Jesus Christ is Lord! 🙌
@@truthnotlieseh? He was very very patient and didn’t interrupt her once. Weird conclusion.
@@vladolenin1345 uh, I agree with Jeff on plenty of things but I'm not in a Jeff Durbin fan club or anything. Lol but ok then
Classic Apologia posting more anti-Catholic content after James White was destroyed in another debate, this time by Jimmy Akin. Imagine admitting sola Scriptura isn’t found in scripture and still trying to argue for it. Hope some people in the comments decide to watch it and actually learn Catholic beliefs.
But, will forever be grateful to Pastor Jeff for introducing me to Presupp apologetics.
Same thing I was thinking. I knew he would post something like this to divert attention but I am proud of the Catholics in this video as I believe they all held their own against him here.
@@joshuastelly9129 it’s sad bc it’s a clear tactic to divert people away from watching the debate. Same thing w the Trent horn debates, seems like they want their viewers to watch these ones instead and then they don’t need to watch the debate since “all the Catholic positions were debunked in these videos”
Using the Bible to argue against sola scriptura has got to be one of the dumbest actions ever performed in history.
@@frankfortjuggalo5936 I’d say that claiming everything needs to come from scripture except the standard that everything needs to come from scripture is dumber. Prots are always shifting their sola Scriptura defense. It used to be “here’s a few Bible verses that prove it came from the Bible.” If the argument has to keep shifting then it’s problematic.
Catholics believe in a works based system, that in itself automatically destroys it
A questioner takes as many times to prepare for this. A respondent answered the question ...but she answered them well. Go for it girls, defend the faith no matter what. He is just a pastor of a thousand trying to convert a billion to his small hut. Blessings and Peace to you girls. You are truly daughters of God.
Ok, this Pastor is misinterpreting Ephesians. Let’s look at the verse.
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God- 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
1. The beginning of verse 9 says it’s not because of works. The issue that Protestants have, is that Paul isn’t talking about good works here. Paul mentions good works in verse 10. In verse 9, the works that Paul is speaking about are the Jewish works of the law.
So no, we can do nothing to please God without grace.
This is what happens when you read more than just the single line proof text 🤣
19:20 now who is adding to the Bible? Jesus never said that “eating his flesh and drinking his blood” means “believing in him and coming to him”. Where is that in the Bible? In fact when he was pressed about it he doubled down, allowed many to walk away and never said it was symbolic.
The first man was trying to say this and the pastor kept interrupting him.
EDIT: I am putting here this because there are too many comments and I have to keep answering the same arguments.
If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" 1 Corinthians 11:29
"Do this in memory of me.” In Greek, this statement reads, “Touto poieite eis tan eman anamnesin.”
Touto poieite can be translated as “do this” or as “offer this”. “poiein” is translated as “offer this” or “sacrifice this” over seventy times in the Old Testament.
Also, every time “anamnesis” appears it is within a sacrificial context (see, for example, Numbers 10:10). It also can be translated as memorial offering or memorial sacrifice. While these nuances are lost in the English translation, the apostles would have understood the sacrificial meaning of Christ’s words.
He actually did in John 6:35
@@dustinnyblom7835 so, you're telling me that in John 6:35 Jesus had the perfect analogy that people understood and gained Him followers. And later in John 6:53 He used this other analogy that made people walk away and potentially lose their soul, and He never told them that it was symbolic, but allowed them to walk away in verse 66. And he even asked the apostles "do you also want to leave?", Instead of explaining to them that it was symbolic? And even the apostles don't say they know is symbolic, instead Peter answers “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”, in other words, "You have the power to do as you said."
John 6:66
@@DRWH044 they go together in this story
@@dustinnyblom7835 they go together and yet He allowed them to walk away. And never explained it to the apostles?
I think it's rather, an incremental teaching starting with the symbolic and working torwards the real.
If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say in 1 Corinthians 11:29 "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself"
Do you ever debate Catholics who are informed theologians and not just randoms on the street? Genuinely wondering
that statement is an oxymoron
If he truly understood the Catholic Faith, he would be Catholic.
Nah, they get exposed like James White did against Jimmy Akin. 😂
There are no Catholics who are informed theologians lol
They cannot because their falsehood would be exposed. Similar story with Ray Comfort.
Ephesians 2-8&9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
JESUS on the CROSS; A PERPETUAL SACRIFICE . . .Perpetual: Never ending or changing. Occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted!!!! This man/Catholics could not have expressed a UNTRUTH more precisely. God Bless you Jeff.
Jeff Durbin is wicked smart and amazing for Christianity. Praise Jesus. He is working this this man. Jesus is the way
42:25 this is just dishonest. The sin of presumption is NOT assuming you have peace with God.
The Catholic Church is very clear on when you are at peace with God and what you have to do to get there. The sin of presumption is assuming you will be saved without repentance. You can disagree, but it is quite different to how you framed it here.
I think it's dishonest and a tactic used to stir up fear in Catholics.
The sin of presumption can also be having too much confidence in salvation to the point that it leads to spiritual negligence
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON HAS TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?
Trent Horn stated explicitly in one of his public formal debates with James White that the sin of presumption includes the present/current stage of one’s relationship with God…
Yes, Repent or PERISH (Luke 13:3)
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John:
(110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.”
(Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
This is false. You need to watch more debates
Now let's see the pastor talk to an Orthodox Christian.
Pastor does such a good job explaining
I like this but I wish there would be less assumption and equivocation on both sides. I am on your side Jeff, but the Roman system is not as simplistic as you are making it sound. We need to actually do a better job listening and hearing, not assuming certain conclusions.
He loves to presuppose and cut people off
Thank you! Protestants always get wring what we believe as Catholics. People see through this, then do their own research, and many come home to the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus through His Apostles. That's only one of the reasons you see so many more conversions to Catholicism.... oh, by the way, it's not the " Roman system".
Do we call Protestantism the
" worm system"? ( Since Protestantism came out of Worms, Germany).
@@cristinamz2137 I appreciate that, but yes you have your own caricature of Protestantism, and the “Jesus founded our church…” line is particularly old and anachronistic.
@@rickbaker261Since when did "old" become problematic in any of the "great" religious traditions?
@@GordonSou sorry. I meant old as in a tired and stupid argument
I think my favorite part was about 20 minutes in, the main speaker says Let me check Scripture, and then the young boy speaks up with his own question, and then the females. Everything was handled fairly respectfully, this was great.
Yeah I'd had enjoyed it more if Jeff checked the Scriptures and proved his Sola scripture premise, which is the basis for all his Catholic rejecting viewe.
@@dman7668he knows the scripture
@@dman7668 2 timothy 3:16-17
The females?
To all the Catholics that know their faith...good for you. Clearly this pastor didn't read Genesis. Abraham offered his begotten Son until the the Angel stayed his hand. This is why Calvin's theology has so many holes...he picks and chooses which scriptures they want to believe. He never read the book of James because James says you are justified by your works as well. Also, baptism saves you as well accordingly to 1st Peter. Some one should ask him where the Bible came from? It is a Catholic book...the Catholic Church choose the books...only the Catholic Church had the right to interpret it.
A catholic book? The entire NT was written by 95AD. How on earth do you get that? No where in the Bible does it say baptism saves you. What about Titus 3:5? What about Isaiah where our righteousness are filthy rags? Why is it the council of Trent which is still alive in Catholicism that twists Ephesians 2:8-9 and adds “plus works”? What about the fact Catholics have their own Bible which isn’t the New Testament? Why do Catholics pray to Mary and use the rosary to worship her more than the Father? Or worship her alone? It’s completely against doctrine to pray to dead people! What about John 14:6. Where Jesus specifically says “I am the way the truth the life and NO ONE gets to the father except through Me”? You can’t even choose a scripture out of context to support Catholicism. Let alone making false idols. Let alone pergatory. Or even the fact the catholic timeline of changes is even worse than jehovas witness. What about the catholic involvement in Islam case in point Khadijah, the mother of Islam? What about the dark ages where Catholics banned the Bible all together and killed 20,000,000 Christians? Do your research kid. Catholicism is the seed of Satan and perverts scripture which is why so many priests are perverts. I’m not a fan of Calvin but he does have doctrine that’s on point like many men, but I’m never going to call myself a name of someone or something other than a follower of Jesus (Luke 9:23)…. You also won’t notice any Catholics who can stay biblical, they make things up, like pergatory and many other things. Especially the fact they think man can forgive sins. Only
Jesus forgives sins Matthew 23:8-10, calling them men Father alone is grounds to run away, power to forgive is insanely false idolatry. (Hebrews 9:22, Mark 2:7) and so many more. The reason we have the Bible is from God alone. Not because some perverts who deviated from God had something to do with the cannon. “The kings heart is held in the hands of the Lord like rivers of water He turns them wherever He wishes”
I would love to see pastor Jeff discuss Catholicism with Sam Shamoun. It would be a particularly good discussion because they both have such a great understanding of scripture.
Jesus help me. I’m trying to balance everything on my own, but Lord I feel like I’m failing miserably as a single mother. Both sons are special needs I’m so overwhelmed trying to support them on my own. I’m struggling to make ends meet, to pay bills, and to put food on the table for my children. Jesus guide me and give me strength. I have faith you will carry me through this difficult time.❤️
Sister in Christ! What I see as I’m reading through your comment is I, I ,I and there is where the challenges stem.
The only I that should come out of our mouth is I SURRENDER lord here are my challenges and name them and I trust that you are the almighty God whom will never leave me nor forsake me! Bring up his promises as you pray. It is valid to remind him because that shows him your faith and you will see God working.
Remember without faith it’s impossible to please God.
He is listening but he is waiting for you to surrender.
Invite the Holy Spirit to every prayer, worship and to reading of the word.
I pray this blesses you in Jesus name 🙏🏼
Lay your troubles at the feet of Jesus and leave them there, He'll take care of them. If you keep trying to hold on to them and do it yourself, Jesus will keep letting you and nothing will change. I'll be praying for you, sister.
Stop focusing on yourself and focus on Jesus.
I’ve seen your comment else where many times, at this point one is gotta think your looking for attention and sympathy other than prayers.
@@LCD04 You may be correct OR she could be reaching out for as much prayer and advice as possible. Either way, it's our job as believers to pray for her.
Also I believe that when there is pride, people are not taking it in. Just seeking the next argument to win. Ever word that Pastor Jess has said from scripture, there was not a moment pause to think. It was just when one was answered, we are going to bring up another rebuttle. Not sure their hearts are truly seeking Truth.
I agree
They are seeking "traditions of men"
It was more of a discussion :) it was a good conversation to get to know how individuals think. No pride here.
@@zacharyevans8152 and what do you think the traditions of men are. Well they are pagan traditions(that is the tradition saint Paul is referencing)
traditions of God are the traditions of the church which led the church all through the period when they didn't even have the bible.
No such thing as once saved always saved until you’re in heaven.
I like when Luke the bear just walks up and starts looking around. 😊
Jeff was speaking to an obviously wonderful family. If all American (and Canadian, since that is where I'm from) families were like this one, our nations would be in a much better situation.
Yes your leader is as bad as ours sorry about that but Jesus Christ will RULE. Satan knows his time is short
Why do reformed “Christians” never specify who’s ideology they are following. Commonly i see Protestants tell Catholics what they believe instead of asking how they arrive to a conclusion.
It’s like they’re obsessed with justifying why they left the Catholic church, either now or centuries earlier😬
Because "Reformed Christians" are gifted with infallibility, deciding what is true & biblical, and what is not true & what is not biblical.🤣😅😂
If you read your Bible, you'll know why the Catholic church is false and why ppl run away. You don't need any of the extra garbage they put in. Just Jesus !!!
Yes it is impossible for a Catholic to make any assumption at all about the beliefs (or values!) of any given Protestant.
He’s citing scripture, and scripture alone. Not bringing in traditions and and sacraments. Only what’s in the Bible
This was an interesting video, but it was a little unfair. We have an actual pastor, who has probably gone to Bible school. On the Catholic side, you have people who have a fair knowledge of their Church's teachings, but not on the level of the pastor. What would be great is to hear a debate between two experts - a Protestant Pastor and a Catholic Priest or Theologian. Both sides would have a very strong knowledge of their faith, and then we could really see which side stands up better.
So I love this conversation, i whole heartedly believe most of what the paster is teaching however the teaching that we cannot lose our salvation is incorrect. Here are scriptures to support that.
Romans 11: 11-24
John 15:1-11
2 peter 3:17-18
There are probably more but there are a few. We cannot be separated from Christ by any earthly or spiritual beings or powers, however we can be separated from christ by pur own will and desires. God will never possess someone or force himself upon someones life. If you choose to walk away from him he will let you but he does say it would be worse to know him and turn away 2 Peter 2:21. As someone who was taught this pastors line of thinking when i was a child i had to learn what the word says and change my understanding to match his word. Blessings to you both! I hope this post and bring a desire to dig into this a little more! God bless you guys!
What a beautiful conversation Pastor Jeff. Very loving but firm in your conversation with the RC's on the truth of the Gospel. I thank God for pastors like you who can present the truth so succinctly in the field and rely on the Holy Spirit to work in you. I believe the love of Christ can be seen in these spontaneous encounters. If I lived in your area, I'd be attending Apologia Church. God bless you in your witness ...
At the last supper jesus said do this in memory of me
You are correct. The last supper was the Passover meal. Every Passover is now the remembrance of the death of the Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus Christ along with the prior remembrance of the Deliverance out of Egypt. The, "this" in, "do this" is the Passover. In John 6:4, before the passages about eating and drinking the Flesh and Blood of the Lord Jesus, the Apostle John wants you to understand the context in which these words were about to be given. The Apostle reminds the reader that the Passover is about to happen where they would be eating and drinking the Passover Lamb, matza, bitter herbs and the 4 cups of wine. This is critical to understanding what it means to eat the Flesh and drink the blood of the Lord Jesus. Later in the chapter, he tells us what eating and drinking of him is:6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst." He wasn't talking about divine cannibalism. Eating and drinking of the Lord Jesus Christ is coming to him and believing on him alone for salvation.
I can appreciate the protestant position here, but read about Eucharistic miracles, read about the church father’s unanimous belief in the real presence. Martin Luther himself believed it.
@@james43258 I have no doubt there have been Eucharistic miracles. There are also miracles connected to Mormon,Hindu, Muslim, and every other religious institutions sacraments. In light of this reality, we have to return to the only place where we are going to find absolute, God inspired authority and that is from His word. Even the sorcerer's of Egypt could imitate God's Miracles up to a point. We are warned about false prophets that can actually do miracles in Deuteronomy 13. I know you probably don't mean this, but miracles in and of themselves mean nothing. Their source is only and truly discernible by going to the objective, God-breathed scriptures that he has provided for us to judge and test all things by.
@@james43258If you go back to the early fathers (Luther doesn't even come close to qualifying), you will find no evidence that they believed in either trans-substantiation or con-substantiation. These were later developments in catholic theology, built upon other erroneous doctrines.
May you be encouraged Apologia. Please saints continue in prayer and hymns for luke warm Christians like me. I read 1Cor 10 this morning.
Hey pastor luke ! Pax Christi
Iv been to so many Protestant churches all I found is a pop concert and a motivational speech been going to a Catholic Church I feel god I hear the words of god it’s so much deeper if Protestants want ppl to come quit with the gimmicky pop concerts and bring back actual worship
Amen. Prots sell feel good feelings. Catholicism teaches the truths of the ancient church.
You probably didn’t go to Protestant Churches then. And it’s clear you don’t understand it. There are many new independent churches like that and very few are still orthodox. Sounds like you went to prosperity gospel church eggy are not Protestant at all. I have been to churches that do sing in worship for 30 minutes or so but have expository preaching of the word of God and still celebrating the Eucharist. And then there are more historical Protestant churches that are more traditional with a higher view of tradition. We are all still brothers and love each other regardless of our secondary differences.
But what you just said does not sound Protestant at all. Also, I’m not Roman catholic but I admire some of the Catholics views since they still teach orthodox Christianity. But have added too many medieval believes not supported historically or biblically
My personal impression is that he pastor is trying to recruit(from Catholics) converts by keep on pointing the Catholics are wrong in their doctrine. The Catholic is bringing people to Christ and showing the way. Intitially I thought the pastor is right and made more sense.
How many protestant/Christian groups are there now, I followed the teaching of Pastor and found something is not correct in his interpretations what then? I establish my own sect/congregation!?
Yes. That's what the protestant does. Disagree with your current protestors? Simply walk away and start your own misguided sect. And on and on it goes.
So, you understand the theological incoherence of Protestantism. There you have it!
Exactly. Anyone can become a “pastor” on the internet and start their own brand. Amazing how much time they spend studying the Catholic Church. Hard to believe how they find time to setup the rock concert stage at their churches.
The catholic church was founded by Jesus, the protestant churches by mortal sinners. Where would you rather be? The church founded by Jesus or by a mortal sinner? Jesus promised he'll be with us till the end of times when he gave the kingdom keys to Peter and that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church. I believe Jesus, not some "pastor" who self appointed himself as his own pope and bashes the church Jesus founded.
Protestants conflate justification with sanctification. Justification is through faith, but we work out or faith through fear and trembling. That is the process of sanctification. I confess my sins when i falter, because jesus commanded us to do so and continue to imitate christ more and more. Faith is an ongoing process, not simply a factual statement. Calvanist's resemble the gnostics to me.
Not all Protestants are Calvanists.
@eucharistangel4662 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and DO HIS WILL (Christ says this). In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end" and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE GRACE OF CHRIST. In hope, the Church prays for "all men to be saved." She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven... what about this statement is not biblical lol? It's literally saying do the will of the father and through the grace that Christ gave to us on the cross we enter into heaven if we persevere to the end.
@eucharistangel4662 You misrepresent the Gospel. You are cherry picking the catechism and not reading contextually, basic problem of self interpretation.
@@themanufan8 Better answer.
@eucharistangel4662The satan's masterpiece is making people lime you think that you will enter heaven without being obedient and having good works.
Everyone can agree that Jesus's Grace is what Actually saves us... that out of the way. How can you say your works don't matter but in the same breath say choosing the "wrong" religion condemns you?
So happy to see an articulate Catholic that can defend the church!
LOL… don’t know what video you watched.
@@lou_-mg7mb the one following history as opposed to opinion…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
This is where Trent Horn would step in beautifully.
Totally agree! Or Jimmy Akin. Jeff has knowledge of scripture and early church history so it’s not a fair discussion between Jeff and the Catholic gentleman he was talking to. Most Catholics ( not all) don’t have a lot of knowledge of scripture plus what the Catholic Church actually teaches and early church history. I would love to see Jeff debate Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin.
Also, Jeff is a Calvinist which most other Protestants wouldn’t agree with his belief of once saved always saved and justification
@@jeanellecortez1422I reject Calvinism but believe OSAS. The bible is very clear that we have ETERNAL SECURITY.
Eternal Security of the Believer
2 Timothy 2:13
If we Believe Not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Ecclesiastes 3:14
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
John 6:47-51
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 10:28-29
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
@trenthorn @jimmyakin
@@jeanellecortez1422 not true friend. Perseverance of the Saints is a widely accepted doctrine in Protestantism. I would add that you'd be hard pressed to find a protestant denomination that rejects it. As far as Calvinism, yeah it is definitely in the minority, but only really relative to the present era. Any cursory reading of early church history shows that some of the major theology and doctrine presented in Calvinism, Synod of Dort, Westminster confessions of faith etc. are all consistent with the teachings and theology of early fathers. Look at Jonathan Edwards (certainly not an early church father but still...) John Owen, John Gill, .......Augustine of Hippo, Luther, Calvin, Jerome, Aquinas,
Protestant tradition and Catholic tradition. Each have their interpretation to scripture. Question is not what the Bible says but whose interpretation of scripture is correct. Some do shallow interpretation and some complex from the traditions. But all are attempts to identify what Jesus meant. This is the dilemma. Read Church history to those that care to find what the first Christian believed. Tradition is important because it’s a means to preserve interpretation and teaching to carry to next generations. We all practice it whether you acknowledge it or not to a degree. God bless 🙏
Actually what matters is God’s Word which was made flesh via the incarnation Jesus Christ I don’t really care about human interpretation if it doesn’t align with what Jesus says besides tradition & rituals are a problem when they take away from the truth of the gospel
No, the question is not who interprets scripture best. You cannot see past your own assumptions if you think that is the problem.
Scripture is one of many Church traditions, and in fact one of the later traditions. Our Lord did not instruct Peter to write a book, He told him to found a Church. And yet for some reason, Protestants think the bible is the single and only source of authority.
Where in the bible does it say we must only derive authority from within it?
The real problem is protestants take one Catholic tradition - the Scripture that we compiled - and confusedly try to use it to undermine the rest of Church tradition.
What came first, through? That's the real problem.
Unfortunately, when man touches anything, it goes awry. Trust in God's word. The rest is irrelevant. His grace by faith. I would recommend to stay away from a cult that practices falsely but continues to deny it.
Correct. And it was the Apostles whom were told that they will be guided by Christ himself ALWAYS. So the only churches that have a place to debate are the Catholics and Orthodox, due to their proven apostolic succession. Protestants and other "Christians" are simply following the traditions of men.
@@TruLuanPLEASE READ YOUR CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( CCC ) WHAT IT TEACHES IS HERESY IT DEFINITELY ISN’T ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE,READ IT YOURSELF! IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATECHISM IS TRUTH THEN YOU EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES OR ITS INTERPRETATION !
The real issue here is that many/most Catholics are unable to answer these challenges to the faith. I enjoy listening to these because it allows me to answer each challenge from this pastor. The Catholic faith is the only faith that allows for the entire Bible to be coherent and consistent.
You wrote: "The Catholic faith is the only faith that allows for the entire Bible to be coherent and consistent."
Well then, maybe you could shed some light on this challenge:
According to the Catholic Church, "Mary crushes" Satan in Genesis 3:15:
"I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: *she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."* (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
Now look at Romans 16:20:
*"The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you."* (Same Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible)
*"Since the children have flesh and blood, He (Jesus) too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil-"* Hebrews 2:14
*"The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work."* 1 John 3:8
So according to the Catholic faith who actually crushes Satan: God/Jesus or Mary??
Oh....and by the way, there is no mention of Mary, nor is she anywhere to be found in Revelation 20 when Satan is finally cast into the lake of burning sulfur...just saying!
Hmm...doesn't seem to be "coherent and consistent" to me!
@@vincelomonaco5434 And what you believe does it make sense to the thousands of other Protestants who say you are wrong. All protestantism is a form of gratifying the lower passions.
That is not the real issue here. The real issue is Durban deflecting and dodging every single point anyone is trying to make. If you notice, the lady is doing nothing but asking questions and he has to contort his way out of every single one.
@@vincelomonaco5434 I can answer that if you’d like. It’s not as if the Catholic Church hasn’t thought deeply about these things, but I can try to keep it brief.
The answer is that both Jesus and his mother can be said to be defeaters of Satan: Jesus is the primary agent of Satan’s defeat, while Mary is the chief means that Jesus used to defeat Satan.
Indeed, Christ’s cross, resurrection, etc. are also means of defeating Satan, but Christ first had to be incarnated before ANY of that could happen, thus showing Mary to be absolutely necessary in the defeat of the devil. Since she consented and persevered for the sake of the Son’s incarnation, Mary is rightly credited as a victor over the devil.
So, it’s both. No need to create a dichotomy of, “Pick Mary or Jesus!”
Any other thoughts?
@@ReformedRoman - You wrote: "The answer is that both Jesus and his mother can be said to be defeaters of Satan: Jesus is the primary agent of Satan’s defeat, while Mary is the chief means that Jesus used to defeat Satan."
And would please provide Book, Chapter and verses where the Bible implies that, "Jesus and his mother can be said to be defeaters of Satan" and "Mary is the chief means that Jesus used to defeat Satan."?
It wasn't Mary who Satan through Herod tried to have killed in Bethlehem, and it sure wasn't Mary who Satan tempted three times in the desert, and it definitely wasn't Mary who died that horrific death on that Cross on Calvary and shed her blood for the forgiveness of all our sins!!
Mary never has been and never will be a threat to Satan.
Give God all the Glory, NOT Mary who is merely a created being!!
- You wrote: "Indeed, Christ’s cross, resurrection, etc. are also means of defeating Satan,"
Correction...Indeed, Christ's Cross, resurrection, etc. is the ONLY means of defeating Satan!
- You wrote: "but Christ first had to be incarnated before ANY of that could happen, thus showing Mary to be absolutely necessary in the defeat of the devil."
...And without the 70 plus generations between Adam/Eve and Mary's parents, NO incarnation of Jesus! (Luke 3:23-38)
ALL absolutely and equally necessary in God's perfect plan for salvation in the defeat of the devil.
Amazing...Luke doesn't even include Mary in his Genealogy of Jesus...go figure!
Stop turning Mary into a goddess equal to God.
- You wrote: "Since she consented and persevered for the sake of the Son’s incarnation, Mary is rightly credited as a victor over the devil."
Are you implying that Mary conceived and gave birth all by her lonesome OR did Almighty God and the Holy Spirit have something to do with that miracle birth?!?
Mary didn't consent to anything because if you carefully read the narrative in Luke 1:28-38, you will observe Mary had no choice in the matter: Notice the word "will" that the angel uses:
"The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. *You WILL conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.* He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
“How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
The angel answered, *“The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.* So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”
*“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.”* Then the angel left her."
Sorry, but God was not waiting for Mary's approval to bring our Lord and Savior into this world.
- You wrote: "So, it’s both. No need to create a dichotomy of, “Pick Mary or Jesus!” "
Uhh...yes there is a need to create a dichotomy of, "Pick Mary or Jesus!
So just what can Mary, a created being, possibly do for you Catholics that Almighty God the Father, His Son and Holy Spirit can't possibly do for you Catholics?
Please list just one thing...one thing is all I ask of you.
"fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him He endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2
Fix your eyes on Jesus only, NEVER Mary!
Any other thoughts from you now?
I disagree with two things,you can’t be forgiven if you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.And two there is no scripture that says once saved always saved, if I’m wrong someone show it to me.
”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;“
- 1 Timothy 2:5
You forgot the first verse of the very same chapter
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, *intercessions* , and thanksgivings be made for all people,
1 Timothy 2:1 ESV
And not Mary or Saints
And what is your point with that verse??
LOL 😆
@@allismamahow do you mean??
@@john_from_eastcoast. If we are called to pray for each other. We are mediators between each other in God. Christ is the one mediator in the sense that He is the only one who can reconcile man with God. However, there can be mediators in other senses - like praying for each other.
Always appreciate the respect Jeff shows in these exchanges. Great example for how we all ought to engage on these matters. God bless.
Bull**** He has loved spreading lies to other faiths that disagree with his. He's a non yelling bigot.
I used to listen to this channel all the time several years ago, went from fundamentalism, to evangelicalism, to Protestantism, and eventually became Catholic. (Sorry orthodox lol) I appreciate the zeal of you Jeff and the work that your doing, but the sacramental life is very real and I pray that one day you’ll experience more of God through the church he established. Back in the day I would have watched this video and thought those Catholics were going to Hell because they believe a perverted gospel but now with fresh eyes I see what they say and I believe it and am not tripped up by the words you use. No offense to you Jeff, I love you as a brother in Christ, you’ve done a lot for my personal faith, I just wish you would try to see the Bible through a lens that’s not solely Calvinism.
Me [a catholic converting into orthodoxy] : ouch.
Jeff Durbin: "I let you talk a lot...." while saying 90% of all words spoken. This guy is so hard to listen to.
If eating Christ's flesh and drinking His blood meant just believing that He was the Messiah, I don't think that would be a hard teaching for the disciples to accept. It would, however, be a very difficult teaching for them to accept that they needed to actually drink His blood since that is forbidden in mosaic law.
What else I find hard to believe is how the early Church got this whole Eucharist idea and they didn't seem to view it the way Jeff Durbin does. There isn't much historical evidence for this particular interpretation of the gospel.
@dman7668 the Last Supper/Eucharist as given by Jesus was Him sharing bread and wine to do In Remembrance, not to rip His flesh out and stab Himself to pour out Hia blood. Much in scripture is Symbolic.
@@joinjen3854would you agree that 90% of the time Christ speaks in parable.. but when he says: “verily verily I say to you” that he is speaking literally?
@@cooldude71120 I think Christ did both. Believers have the Holy Spirit. Ask Him, not fallen people.
@@joinjen3854 my specific question is when Christ begins a conversation by saying: “verily verily” .. that he is not speaking in a parable in that moment?
Jeff, these are awesome. Please don't stop making these videos. I miss the days when you were releasing new videos all the time, but i know it's a lot of time and effort to make it happen...
Amen!!! Im an online RUclips Creator too and a Ukrainian missionary in America!! I know Jeffs church some of their guys do evangelism with me! I also make videos here.on my channel about evangelism conversations!
I just hope all breakaway churches would unite one holy catholic church...before Islam of darkness comes and shreds us to pieces.
Would have been great if the others have mics too so we could hear what they are saying.
I love this, this was a great conversation. Great job Pastor.
Jeff Durbin's argument that Catholic's aren't perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ is untenable. His argument is because we need to be forgiven when we commit sins in the present, that we are not being perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ. The Bible never says we are forgiven of our future sins and invokes us to daily pray "forgive us our trespasses." We obviously are not forgiven of future sins if we need to confess our sins (1 John 1:9) to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness. Also, John says that Jesus is our advocate with the Father if we commit sins 1 John 2:1. If we were forgiven of all future sins, we wouldn't need an advocate interceding for us perpetually in heaven to obtain the forgiveness of sins. We are forgiven of our past sins when we repent. However, future sins are not forgiven until we confess our sins and then Jesus, our advocate intercedes to the Father on our behalf. The Father is able to forgive our sins because he has been appeased by the Sacrifice of Christ. Thus, the Sacrifice of Christ does perfect those who are being sanctified - whether at Calvary or re-presented in the Mass (there is one Sacrifice).
I see your point. However Jeff mentions that the Bible teaches we can be perfected by the atonement once for all. If we are perfected only at mass it is not for all time.
You are confusing justification with sanctification my Brother. We are perfected once and for all ‘eternally “ through the righteousness of Christ, not our own. The sins we commit after our redemption, result in loss of fellowship with our Father, not loss of the eternal life Jeff is referring too. Hebrews says we can boldly approach the throne of God because of the finished work of Christ and HIS righteousness, again not our own. Our own righteousness is like filthy rags to our Heavenly Father (Isaiah 64:6). Sanctification is the life long process where the Holy Spirit changes us from the inside out to be more like Christ.
Well said Brother!
@@chrisjordan2650 Mortal sins can result in the loss of salvation. Otherwise, Paul wouldn't warn Christians - "envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
@@jonahstewart4682 Christ sacrifice was the perfect atonement for sin. There is only one Sacrifice offered once for all but there is ongoing dimension to it's presentation in heaven and on earth. We are perfected by the one Sacrifice of Christ because the Sacrifice appeases the Father's wrath - and we can be forgiven of our sins and sanctified. Once for all means there no longer has to be a new sacrifice for sins, not that it isn't continually presented.
Just as Christ intercedes and continually presents his Sacrifice for our sins in the heavenly sanctuary doesn't mean we aren't perfected by the Sacrfice....so too, the presentation of that Sacrifice in the Mass doesn't mean we aren't perfected by the Sacrifice. The ongoing presentation doesn't limit it's ability to appease the Father's wrath, forgive our sins, and sanctify us.
Also, it would be incorrect to say that "we are only perfected at Mass." That would be like saying we have to present at Calvary to be perfected by the Sacrifice of Christ. We don't have to be present at the Sacrifice to be perfected by it. I think this is one of Jeff Durbin's misconceptions too. Christ applies the merits of the Sacrifice to us when we have faith, repent, and are baptized - and throughout our lives in the sanctification process. Being present at mass and receiving Jesus in Holy Communion is important for our sanctification but it isn't the only way that we are perfected by the Sacrifice.
It’s weird how this Protestants will go to debate regular Catholic guys that have no theology degree but won’t debate studied Catholics with theology degrees
What does the phrase on the young lady’s t shirt mean?
Wow, that could truly be a life changing conversation. Bless you brother for doing this important work- so many don't realize what an important mission field is held in roman catholicism.
There is no Roman Catholicism. It's just Catholicism. That was just an insult started by Anglicans and we Catholics need to correct it like the N word.
@@dman7668 where, pray tell, do we find the Vatican?
@@StrollinSodaPops he is telling you where is started from and here you are talking about Vatican, you guys are simply unbelievable.
@StrollinSodaPops
The Catholic Church in the Vatican doesn't call itself the "Roman Catholic Church". It's just the Catholic Church.
@@StrollinSodaPopsWhere, pray tell, do we find the Eastern catholic churches?
Appreciate the cordial nature of Jeff Durbin. These conversations really show how important Sola Scriptura really is. Jeff responded so quickly with scripture.
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
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“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Sola scriptura is false.
A simple way of putting it is:
• All salvation comes from Christ
• Christ has linked salvation to Baptism
• Baptism is the entryway into the Church
• Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation
Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
Here's a quote right out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Study the Early Church Father's too..Google ( www.churchfathers.org ) and read for yourself.
I'll leave you more quotes below as well.. But read for yourself regarding this fact: I rely on our Blessed Lord's One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church guided by the Holy Spirit to provide me with All Truth (Not my "own opinion").
“Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
⬇️
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Early Church Father's:
Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes)
Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church)
St. Augustine:
"In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate."
St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology)
Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae)
Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi)
The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly.
@@catholictruth102so what you are saying is that you don't believe the Bible...
@@frankfortjuggalo5936 Nope, I believe in the Bible just fine. Even according to scripture, scripture is not the only thing which is God breathed, as scripture clearly teaches that prophecy exists in the church.
*Romans 12:6* “Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;”
*1 Corinthians 14:1* “Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy”
If prophecy exists, and it’s from God, then scripture is not the only thing which is God-breathed. And it’s common reason that all things which are God-breathed need to be assented to, thus things outside of written scripture need to be assented to.
Purgatory means cleansing of your souls as Jesus said nobody can enter to heaven even in a small sins. So we need cleansing or purification to cleanse our sin before you go to heaven. That’s Catholic faith and belief. I love Catholic Church
Are you implying then that Jesus' death and the shedding of His blood isn't good enough to purify us from all our sins, but just some of our sins?!?
Sorry, but the one-time perfect sacrifice of Jesus on that Cross on Calvary *purifies true believers from ALL our sins.*
"But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, *and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from ALL sin.*
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. *If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from ALL unrighteousness.* If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:7-10
No human purification needed because Jesus is our purification!!
The righteousness of Jesus becomes our righteousness for all who believe (Imputed righteousness):
*"But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,"* 1 Corinthians 1:30
*"For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous."* Romans 5:19
*"For God made Him who knew no sin to be a sin offering for us, so that in Him we may become the righteousness of God."* 2 Corinthians 5:21
*"and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,"* Philippians 3:9
Purgatory is an abomination to the finished work of Christ on the Cross. (John 19:30)
You have been deceived by the false teachings of Roman Catholicism.
Bravo to this women. She spiritually swordfought with this Eastern Orthodox minister and he couldn't refute her.
He isnt Eastern Orthodox. He is a reformed baptist.