WHAT IS CHRYSLER THINKING WITH THE HALCYON?
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- In this video I share my thoughts on the new Chrysler Halcyon Concept Vehicle and why I think they need to focus their energy elsewhere.
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I’m afraid that the big picture is that Stalantis doesn’t want Mopar to survive
I don't think they are intentionally trying to kill Mopar and CDJR. It's just that they have bigger fish to fry with their European companies ad regulations. I'd have to look at the figures to see exactly how the companies compare internally in terms of revenue, but I'm fairly certain that companies like Fiat and Peugeot blow Dodge and the others out of the water in sales. There have been WAY more Fiats rebadged into Dodge and Jeep products than the other way around. I think those companies are more profitable at the end of the day, and that's where they are focused. They also see what's coming as far as where emission standards in the US and EU. Depending on how far they are pushed it won't make economic sense for them to keep making cars like the Charger or 300 without the EPA hammering them with fines even with smaller engines. This is a big reason why they are running as fast as they can from Hemi production and probably will do the same with the Pentastar. Even if Mopar and CDJR were to be partially broken away from Stellantis in a way that gives them some level of autonomy so Stellantis isn't calling every shot, they'll likely still go down the path they are headed towards when those regs hit.
Without v8 engines, MOPAR has no reason to exist.
@@PassportBrosBusinessClass Based on that logic, it should have gotten canned in the 1980s... so you wouldn't have had your precious Gen III hemi marketing pitch to clutch you pearls to. FYI the 5.7 was in the trucks first so, youre welcome. Plus all they did with that one block is bore and stoke it to give you the BS numbers for "marketing" the 392 was just a stroked 5.7. Everyone was too busy humping the Gen II/III Hemi to realize dodge made the Slant-6 and the Magnums. Nobody wants a big 426 street Hemi anymore, they cant even drive the tiny 345ci (5.7) without crashing...
@@NXT_LVL You're like the first person I've seen acknowledge the old Magnum engines and where the Hemi was initially used. Those old engines and the Slant 6 were bulletproof. Dodge also had an I6 Hemi that they sold in Australia, which was pretty solid. Trucks are really where that engine belongs, IMO. However, while you're right about Dodge, the company has built so much of its marketing and fan base around the Hemi and V8s in general that this will genuinely hurt them in the long term. They do need a V8, but it's about time they took a page out of Ford's playbook and build a 5.0L one based on the Pentastar or maybe a 4.0L one based on the Hurricane or something. They need a newer architecture to work with.
@@NXT_LVL They had the V8, remember the Chrysler 5th Ave?
Chrysler/Dodge has lost their way. Sad😢
Just another stupid mistake from Stellants.
Tim K Killed the Brotherhood
Chrysler/Dodge are done.. they have 3 vehicles between them… a 14 year old SUV, an 8 year old minivan and a compact SUV they can’t give away… the future looks bright…
Thank you for SAVING me and not rushing to buy. all the sort of things you've talked about has kept the FOMO away from causing me financial troubles by rushing, not to mention trouble with my spouse over what we're doing in other areas of life. Glad I passed on the ordering thing. I've been following you for like 3 years an have seen most of your videos
I hear you Brother! The same things have been running through my head. I’m not ready to go to Ford, but I can almost envision a day where I would.
It doesn’t have to be this way though and I hope there is a real future for Dodge.
The motivator back with more good content 🙏🙏🙏💪💪💪
I think decisions have been made above Dodge and Chrysler. With no new 2024s out there. The writing is on the wall. I have been a Mopar owner since 1987 and fear the end is near.
I'm so done with Stalantis/Dodge/ Chrysler/Jeep... I was biding my time to buy a challenger which I love.
But this entity's antics have completely turned me off both from the manufacturer and the dealerships.
I have always said that greed cannot sustain itself. The bottom ALWAYS falls out eventually regardless of
the business genre. It can last for a good stretch but it's just a matter of time before a major collapse occurs.
Another thing I've said is that you cannot TELL people what they are going to drive. Dodge killing the V8
program when they did and the way they did, trying to force folks into EV'S was a HUGE mistake. So as
much as I love Dodge performance products, it's looking more and more like a Dark Horse day for me.
As always, great content, OCM.
Brad all this is a distraction. My dad use to say if you had a donkey and removed his tail. He is still donkey. That dodge bunch of donkeys.
Great video again 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🤛
This crap making it harder for me and people who are restoring Mopars
Brad you hit the nail on the head. I said when they released the Charger Banshee Coronet Daytona SRT thing that Stellantis is going to KILL CDJR. AANNDD I’m currently looking at a FffffFord!!! 😎 Enjoy the videos brother. Stay blessed!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ I emailed you video about Goldburg selling his 2018 and 2023 Demon as a package at Barett Jackson. The value of these vehicles are not going up like you said. He only got $410,000 for both vehicles. Some people paid almost that much for just the 170! Keep up the great work.💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Agree 1000% man! Love the channel! Hope Dodge gets their shit together…🤷♂️
The hornet I think has an Alpha Romeo engine plus,plus.
It is built on an Alfa platform in Europe.
Nice Tech Demo it was..
Got a question for you that’s completely unrelated to your video…I want puddle lights for my 2021 scat pack. Can you please share a link with me? Thanks. Also, I’d like to agree with you on the fact that we need something exciting
💯 on point re: concept cars, just look at the concept Hyundai Ioniq 6 vs production model lmfao 😂
This concept of Chrysler's Halcyon, is similar to Dodge's concept reveal of the SRT Banshee 2 years ago. It will probably be a car designed off of Stellantis's (STLA) platform similar to the new charger. More likely, the final pre-production version will be reveled 6-9 months from now. I though that Chrysler would have had a pre-production model ready to reveal at this announcement, but its sad they don't.
DONE!!!!!😮
The've got a great truck, it's just too expensive. Same with the rest of the line up. They are going to have to cut prices and grow their rebates to crawl out of this.
They have destroyed Jeep with new engines nobody wants. Would you want a Fiat 1.3 turbo for $35,000?
The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to kill off Dodge and Ram and Chrysler. The new charger is hideous. I also like the look of the new mustang.
Who knows what it's going to really look like. That concept is cool, therefore it will end up looking like a Prius when it's available.
I have the feeling that Chrysler and Dodge is done. The Dodge cars were fun but there's plenty of other brands out there. Where I live in central NJ there's 5 new Lexus IS 500's for sale in a 90 mile radius. Each around 70k with no markups and a beautiful 5.0 V8. Honestly I would take one over a Scat Pack Charger thats been sitting on a lot for months and months.
Ive had a scat pack and hellcat, sold to start a small business. I think I'm literally waiting for the last year of the mustang. Unfortunately it seems as though their gas motor will outlast the others. Then I'll drive it for 20 years...
The only modern-day Chrysler concept cars that actually made it into production based off It's exterior design is the Prowler, Viper, and the 2003 Dodge magnum SRT8
Look at the bright side ... at least they didn't lose $8B last year because of EV like Ford. Yeah, I'm a Ford guy and some of us actually feel the same even with a Mustang in production.
What about Ram? How come all they sell is the 1500 & up? No mid-size Dakota to compete with the Tacoma/Colorado. No Rampage to compete with the Maverick/Ridgeline. Stellantis is just an awful company...
I agree Dodge is absolutely going in the opposite direction then they have been for the past 10 to 12 years or so. I mean no matter how this world change you’re always going to have people that wants the big powerful V8 with the sound that comes with that not electric when you hit the gas you don’t hear shit
I just don’t understand why they don’t revise the front and back of the challenger/charger and just keep making them. Every little kid I know is enamored with the idea of getting a hellcat or scat pack. It’s just stupid what’s happening right now.
How can a Chrysler Dodge dealer survive?
Your right they can't sell cars that are way over priced . If the prices don't come down and they are losing there fan base to Ford or Chevy they are un trouble as a company. I'm done I think they are too
A new Total Recall movie 🍿 refresh must be coming out ..this looks just like the 1st Total Recall 🚕Cab..that’s the only way it will make money because “I got 5 kids to feed” & in the famous word phrases of Arnold “get your @ss to Mars”😂😂😂
I thought of buying a C 300s as a second daily driver but insurance cost is ridiculous, interior design is outdated and theft problems as well. I decided to buy a German car instead.
I think they are nuts
My first thought was HUH ? A space car ?
Well I totally agree with you that this was nothing but a distraction from the pure fact that Dodge is no longer a performance car company now. They needed to have had a hybrid or EV (hate em) like Ford and Chevy did to offset the carbon tax credit issue. They did not. So now they have entered the realm of SUCK and there is nothing until MAYBE next year. Regarding how to fix it they needed to go back to the drawing board and come up with alternative to EV tech that is appealing. I have yet to see a Hornet on the road and would not own one. I can't wait to see what Dodge brings to Chrysler at Carlisle this year....it should be hilarious if nothing else....
All companies are trying hard to impress,here’s the fact Ev’s are the future and here is the formula for success
Ev’s of the future to have two batteries,one to run the car the other to charge,with today’s tech it can be done,very little charging?
It’s the Wraith man… Charlie Sheen will be the spokes person 🤷🏻♂️
I think the problem is that they weren’t thinking. How do these companies still think EVs are a good thing to put millions of dollars into, when they are sitting on lots not getting bought. You’d think at some point they’d realize the mistake they have made
The worst part of these crazy concepts is that the millions of dollars spent, gets tacked onto cars that people might actually buy. They aren't selling what they have because they are already grossly overpriced. Even the current incentives aren't enough to get me to walk in and start negotiations.
Love mopars so sad to see how it is slowly crumbling, as if they wanted to end it.
Brad to me stellinis is really trying to kill dodge and Chrysler for no reason
It looks electric, is it? And it cost a small fortune to build concept cars and for what
I’m pretty sure Stellantis is only interested in the Jeep and Ram products . Dodge and Chrysler are on their way out of the Stellantis equation.
The Jeeps and Rams aren't selling with the high prices, and Ram is about to drop the Hemi for the 2025 model year. The V8 is a MAJOR selling point of the 1500, so when they hit the market and people see that there's a 3L I6 in its place that's going to be a turn off. Twin turbos is not something I want to deal with, and if the engine starts burning oil for some reason you're forced to rely on a sensor. There's no dipstick, so it's not particularly easy to check the oil levels or look for contamination with these engines. I have a 2014 right now that belong to my grandfather, and if something ever happens to it I'd probably go for a 2024 even if it's used before I go with the 2025 and lose that Hemi. It's not just about sound with me, I trust them WAY more than these new I6s. They should have at least given them as an option first before transitioning over completely. I'll have to look and see what they plan on doing with the Classic, but if they continue producing it into the 2025 model year with the 5.7 something tells me it will explode in popularity for those still looking for a new Ram with a V8.
chrysler was thinking can we make an uglier less desireable vehicle than tesla heck yeah they can
What do I think! When was the last concept that actually made it to retail, It never happens. Wasted money.
This gives all indications of a managed decline of Ma Mopar.
The only way forward for the auto industry is to remove Government interference.
I think its a cool concept too but it should been revealed at an auto show, along with another car or suv we can actually buy. its enough with the pipe dreams and empty promises already... This shows that concepts fall flat when only shown on social media and how tone deaf they are to the u.s. market. Hopefully someone over there realizes that leadership needs a reality check or they are going to be on the wrong end of the difficult times ahead
I just want a 170 still no concept Car and fair dealerships. Is that too much to ask from Dodge 🙄
Brad, does this seem like a coordinated effort on Stellantis’ part to sabotage Dodge ? Forget the Mopar muscle car market, they are destroying any chance of presenting any quality and desirable vehicles, let alone affordable that can keep CDJR afloat. Did they just throw Tim Kuniskis in the basement and throw away the key? What has happened here is mind boggling and flat out disheartening. How can you abandon the customers that love and buy your products that made you the Brotherhood of Muscle? End of an icon, and for the rank and file Mopar enthusiasts and loyal customers, flat out wrong and unacceptable.
Saying Mustang makes me 🤮 a little bit to!
I thought it was pronounced hell crayon.
It's a sad day when the cars and culture look like the movie, The Demolition Man. Not my cars, not my culture.
What really upsets me still is that they have taken away the Hemi engine completely there's no reason at all that they couldn't at least keep the 5.7 L Hemi they could have just updated it a little and kept telling it especially in the Ram trucks if Ford and GM can still be building and producing V8s why can't Dodge to be honest I had a 2012 Ram I got rid of the truck for two reasons one I'm not happy on what Dodge has been doing the second is the way Dodge is looking and I'm going to say this and I hope it's not true they won't be in business much longer and what's that going to do for the resale value of my Ram that I had it would crash just like the toilet paper that I put in the toilet every morning
The last thing that was named Halcyon crashed and burned!
As someone in the Energy business electric cars will not be viable for 10-15 years until battery technology gets a lot better. Even then, I highly doubt we will ever reach 50% electric cars because of grid stability. Dodge is lost, the cars that were popular have been cancelled and for the next 10-15 years Dodge will have lost a huge fan base that loved the Chargers/Challengers.
Mazda created a concept car called the 'Vision'. I sure hope they make it a production model next year.
This Halcyon also looks beautiful.
They would be better off to sale Mopar to someone like Elon Musk . He would take the Company and bring it back to what made it Great Again. He is a business man.
He would then have the market in electric vehicles and V8 gas power vehicles.
Just to be clear, it's my understanding that Stellantis hasn't laid any employees off. GM and Ford have. Stellantis has offered many employees a voluntary separation package, but they haven't had lay-offs like Ford and GM.
investorplace.com/2024/01/stellantis-layoffs-2024-what-to-know-about-the-latest-stla-job-cuts/
Oh, I'm sorry. , A hellcrayon is something you use to design a car that's never gonna be made.
Put it on the shelf with the other toy model 🚗 cars 🤣🤣🤣
It will make it to production but with out one option you saw, the steering wheel !
Autonomous cars are coming why you think Apple getting into the game! They are coming for gas/diesel cars and trucks! Under 25 crowd will be able to tik t instead of driving! We are doomed! EPA incoming!
The SRT buyers ruined the Dodge brand along with the Dodge dealers. You do not have to look and further. I went to 2 SRT experience track days. The majority of the owners were idiots. Smart people who make a lot of money buy Porsches and BMW M’s. Mustangs with the 5.0 and a supercharger go like hell. I know I had 2 Challenger SRT’s, 2 Challenger Hellcats, and 3 Mustangs, 2 Roush and 1 Shelby. I drive a Raptor now, my third one.
It’s not just disappointing because it’s a concept car like you say it’s a ridiculous concept car.When Dodge boss Tim Kiniskis stated he got his car guys together and they all said yes to a battery powered car with a fake exhaust we knew it was over.When Sergio Marchionne of FCA (Fiat Chrysler)died so did the American version of Chrysler Dodge and Ram.It’s now run by woke Europeans who are devotee of WEF’s ESG.It’s over and so is Stilantis.
Very sad what's Stalantis has done with mopar !!! F...up big time...
I don’t think this car is going to be a good sale for the company
Probably because they’ll never make it and sell it.
Eating up that concept bait again I see... Concepts very rarely make it to market let alone in its "concept design" Im still waiting for the Tomahawk... Copperhead oh yeah and the 1999 compressed Nitrogen Gas power supercharged 4.7 V8 Charger concept...
I’ve lost all hope for Dodge…😢
Go woke go broke…
This isn't even close to what a production car would be.
They’ve lost my business.
Ford is taking the mustang in the wrong direction, BMW has a mustache and beard fetish. Manufacturers are to focused on gimmicks, and electrification and not on quality.
Stellantis wants to terminate dodge
MOPUR, the brotherhood of soy.
im betting they only did the 3d model because there tired of mopar shitting on them hahahahaha so basicly maybe there wanting to see what communnity says i see cats on RUclips better renderings then actually real cars lol ive had 7 or 8 300's since 2004 and maybe 6 hellcats if they did 300 hellcat id buy one.
Stellantis is purposely killing these brands and they will go away soon. I am willing to bet a blood donation lol
Stellantis has no clue what they're doing.
I knew Dodge was going to be dropped within the next 3 years but Chrysler may be snuffed out within a year. No cars and nothing in the pipeline. Ram and Jeep live on of course.
Chrysler is DONE!! Dodge is on its way out….and this concept crap already failed with the ram. They did the same thing with the rev concept…then Fuck it all up when the production model came out.
Sorry for the cursing….stellantis would sacrifice dodge and Chrysler for the 75-100k cars they they make a year, so they can sell Alfa Romeo cars and suv that only sell 15k a year. Pisses me off. I’m ready to go to ford.
They should bring back the duster with the new inline 6
Chrysler is looking towards the future this is the way cars are going the party is over
Where have you been? EV’s are not selling, failing miserably, the grid is already incapable of handling the EV’s we have now. Stop believing the lies and do your research and see past the propaganda. EV’s have their place but they’re not the future everyone thinks they are. Also, cars aren’t going to look like space ships either. 🤣 Watch this and start digging. We’re being sold one of the biggest lies in history right now.
www.wsj.com/video/series/journal-editorial-report/wsj-opinion-the-electric-vehicle-push-runs-out-of-power/B38D59AD-72EB-475F-B196-24A1762E37D4
@ocmotivator It doesn't matter, that's the way cars are going. If you notice all the high-end Futuristic looking concept vehicles are some variation of this. And yes, of course, vehicle sales of any kind or down and not surprised. We're basically living in a serious recession at the very least.
@ocmotivator It's just a futuristic concept They're never gonna make this. It's just like those 80s concepts that That looked cool but were really just a test bed to try out some piece of technology that would show up in a normal car in 5 years.
Chrysler has been in a weak position for decades...and as such, has become prey for those who wanted to use it for entrance into the American market, like Mercedes and Stellantis. The bonus for Dodge was its connection with Jeep. With Jeep sales down, it's not as attractive, so eventually I predict Stellantis will bail out and Dodge will be left on its own. And then it will truly go bankrupt.
If they put lip sick on a pig EV, it's still a pig EV. Does Stellantis even care about CDJR? Or are they trying to destroy the brand?
Remember when Chrysler came out with the turbine car? It was great! - really ugly but a great idea. Never caught on.
If just attempting to say Ford or Mustang makes you want to puke, how are you going to drive it? You'll have to have one hand on the wheel and the other hand holding a barf bag. I don't care if it has a V8, it's a Mustang.
You mean you never wanted to know what constellation you're looking at. Also an EV you don't have to charge. How about complete Autonomous driving. I guess an updated Chrysler 300 is out of the question. If these dumb ass people had a clue they would have given us a new 300, even with the turbo 6 would make sense. I've always thought the 300 was awesome but never really advertised to give it a chance. RIP Chrysler.
Why would you trade in a car you love for one that the thought of makes you throw up in your mouth? Keep driving you Swinger.