Survey of the Best Consumer Grade CRTs with PVM Comparison.
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- The consumer grade CRT I found on the curb is sharper than your $1000.00 Pro monitor.
0:00 Introduction of the CRTs to be compared, what CRTs I don't have.
2:59 The 3 sharpest CRTs.
9:40 Side by side comparison footage of consumer grade vs pro monitor.
12:22 XBR48.
16:01 Shadow mask CRTs.
Such an awesome assortment of CRTs. I like that you're able to appreciate what each one has to offer. One of those 40" Mitsubishi's just popped up on Facebook an hour away from me in great condition with the matching stand. I can't imagine having to move that thing but I'm tempted to make the trip just to see it in person, lol. Such an awesome BEAST of a CRT!
It's easy to move for It's size. I would encourage you to pick it up. It's an amazing tv. 2 men can cary it relatively easy. Just don't set it on the ground...I think it weighs 270lbs...
6:30 lmao i love that. great video man I love these so much. Been binging your channel recently
Great photography in your video. The refresh rate of your CRTs sync up with your camera shutter speed perfectly. On point!
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I was about to comment this - man! Great job!
that last tv is crazy. never seen anything like that XD. the marble on top is hilarious and great. they knew people were setting drinks on top of TVs
Love your collection, thanks for sharing
I love your in-depth coverage of CRTs. Please keep it up!
I've always been surprised to see that Panasonic doesn't get more love amongst retro gamers. My dad, a retired broadcast engineer, swore by them. My guess, that you touched on, is that their sets just tend to be basic AF. It's awesome that you were able to get your hands on a 27" one with component input. A 27" Panasonic with component is my dream CRT, but I'm also very happy to have recently scored a Sony KV27-FV300 for free. :)
I had a 32fv300 before. It was excellent. How is the geometry on yours?
@@riggel8804 It's not perfect, but at the same time surprisingly good. There's was some notable umbrella bowing when I got it, but I found the issue was (mostly) fixed by replacing a wedge between the yoke and tube that had fallen off tilting the yoke vertically. Now it's a barely noticeable horizontal bowing that's balanced between top/bottom. It also has the typical corner misconvergence, especially in the upper-right.
I would love getting closer to perfection, but am also very happy gaming on it for a bit before I open it up again to play with the magnets. This is my first CRT with component and s-video inputs, and I've been making good use of them! :)
@@michaelthenarwhal2188 if its bowing on the middle/top of the screen that's easily fixed by turning the rings behind the convergence rings.
Picked up a 36XBR200 with matching stand a few weeks ago! It's freaking incredible. Love it.
That's a good one enjoy!
That true,I have CRT collection and restoration that I show, repair etc.
I have big collection in France. Colours on good CRT are so much better.
highly underrate channel. great video as always!
Thank
I love how you are able to capture the images with your camera. I know folks always ask how to do it.
60 is the key in your camera.
thanks. it takes a little bit of work but it's not that hard to do. I got videos on it. The iphone is the crux of the biscuit here.
Hey happy new year rigel hope all is well bro. Hate how I have to search for your videos even though I'm subscribed. I wish they would just be in my feed.
wut up wit a Cameron. Seen Sean the other day. We played darts and got drunk. Got stuck on bullseye.
Great comparative video. I’ve also gone back to consumer sets for gaming and movies. I was using a BVM 20F1 and the colours were undeniably outstanding but the blacks were lacking, the 480i flicker was too noticeable in movies and gameplay on later Gen consoles and 20” is a great size but 27”+ is my sweet spot. Have been using German branded CRT’s with RGB input and they do an outstanding job.
Thanks! It's cool to check out CRTs from other regions. There is this channel, "RGB Rob". He reviews CRTs in Australia. Almost all the CRTs he reviews are not available where I live but I like to see them. Those Grundigs look cool!
@@riggel8804 yeh I’ve seen all his videos he’s actually in the same state as me. We weren’t blessed with Scart on every set the way Europeans were but we do have a handful of sets with RGB. I use an 84cm/32” Grundig in my main setup and the image is beautiful
@@MarcoRetro316 I like the chasis design on those Grundigs. Apparently there was one Grundig released in my country but it was super low production and I've never come across it.
I get a lot of inspiration for my channel from RGB Rob. I want to review USA CRTs the way he reviews Australian CRTs. Before I started my channel I thought there weren't too many USA consumer grade CRTs that accept RGB. I am glad to find out I was wrong.
An amazing set of TVs bro, I would name them lol. Hope you enjoy em forever!
My nostalgia is for the shadow mask image bc that's what I grew up with, but my sense is aperture grilles have a longer "prime" bc you can set color/contrast/brightness relatively lower and still have a great picture. Idk for sure though, it's hard to track that stuff over time
Yeah I grew up with a Sony in my bedroom so I'm biased as well.
it breaks my heart when you say you brought wega's "to the dump". surely there must be someone in your area that would take it off your hands for free. they don't make these anymore so try to preserve them!
Things are different now. When I started this channel I couldn't give these tvs away. Now people are paying for them. I sold one for a hundred couple months back
Dude you have clearly never moved or stored these heavy TV’s. Plus a lot of WEGA’s have snowflake chips that burn out when the set loses image quality…
Lets just say there are a lot of reasons Sony isn’t the big dog these days…
Plus why waste your time on a sub standard set? Life is short and you shouldn’t care if the next generation has CRT tvs…
It won’t matter to them.
@@colinhutchins2795 bruh what are you on about. Ppl out there have money to spend so theyll spend it if it can be repaired.
I picked up a KV-27VF300 on the weekend and while it has some issues it looks good compared to my 27" RCA truflat F400T I'm keeping the RCA because it was my TV back in the day and I know it has low hours. So if the Sony craps out I still have a CRT. I don't have a way yet to put the 240p test suite up on it, but ordered a cable for my pi 3.
Thank you for making this video! It was so cool to see a kind of comparison/observation video that only a select few in this world can make. :D. Last month, I had my friend over. Poor guy has helped me move some CRTS so he knows I love 'em. XD. When he came over, I put my GameCube to my JVC AV-27D201, PVM 20m2mdu, and KV-20FS100 (I didn't want to dig out my 27FS210) and fired them up at the same time. He'd never seen a consumer grade Trinitron vs a consumer grade slotmask vs a Sony PVM. The dude was so fascinated and made observations of them I hadn't even noticed and I've owned them all for a bit. He said he could see why I'm into them. I offered to look for a PVM for him but he barely has time to play even modern games. :P. Maybe in the future. Hope you keep having fun with your glorious sets!
Yeah it's a lot of fun comparing crts. When I first got my component switcher in my room I found myself doing this spontaneously. I've had fun making these videos glad you like them :)
What are the top tier Sony trini consumer models for retro gaming and input lag?
@@OctopusTone all crts are the same with respect to input lag. There is zero input lag. There is one exception . Hd crts have really bad input lag.
@@riggel8804 The Hd crts would be the later vegas with the hdmi ports?
@@OctopusTone most of the hd sonys are xbrs and not wegas. Some have hdmi ports but some only have component. However they all will say "hd" somewhere on them. Other brands made hd crts i.e. panasonic, philips etc. If a tv says "hd" anywhere on it avoid it.
Many the hd sony x
That XBR is gorgeous.
Great footage, makes me wanna get out my crt.
Thanks! I put some effort into trying to get good crt footage. Glad you appreciated it. If you haven't seen a CRT in awhile it can be surprising how good they look.
Nice collection. I have a tiny Panasonic Roadshow crt/vcr combo which has been great so far. I recently bought a 1994 27” Sony Trinitron from Craigslist and it worked great for a week.. then conked out on me 😭 I absolutely love the look of this thing. It’s all black, not a flat screen and sounded great. Gonna take it in to a local repair guy and see if I can get it fixed. It would be sad to let this thing go. It’s the exact look and size I always dreamt of lol 📺
Awesome channel, keep it up
Thanks!
Thanks for posting this! I actually like the look of the af43 and the fs12 over the 20m2 pvm from what I can tell. Difficult to say not seeing in person, but the pvm looks a little too sharp or blocky to me. I do like the pvm more than the d303.
the Sony Trinitron that you show first looks freakishly good, due to a feature called "Velocity Modification". you will find the setting under the video setting under VM. the tube in that thing was an extremely fine electron gun, an extremely fine aperture grill, and an advanced deflection yoke. threw whatever Sony magic they used they found a way to sharpen the picture. the guy that got mine from said as much before telling me that if I could load that 32in thing into the back of my truck he would give it to me for free. I had no idea the thing was damn near 250lbs. sadly, he passed away a few years back or I would ask him about it.
Vm is where boners go to die.
I had that 27” FS12 as you called it, but I actually don’t remember the model number. I rescued it from someone’s garbage and it worked pretty good. Played a fair amount of 240p gaming on it and while I thought it looked pretty good, the geometry was way out of wack. To a bothersome degree unfortunately. I intended to clean it up and attempt to really fix that but then it just died one day and I figured it wouldn’t be worth it, considering I have another 10 crt’s in my collection. So I got rid of it. Aside from the geometry issues, it didn’t look as good as yours appears to.
These vids make ME a happy mo-FÓ.
Dude! I had that Panasonic growing up. I never realized how sharp it was back then. I'm not passing up on these low end Panasonics' anymore.
The comparison shots are excellent, nice work. That 27" wega and the toshiba AF are very impressive.
I wouldn't be too concerned over finding a 310, it's a good set but highly overrated, especially with the freak 27" Sony you got. However I sincerely hope you can find an RCA multiformat. It's the sharpest curved consumer shadow mask I've seen for 240p. Feeding it 480p and higher is an added bonus if you're mostly a 240p gamer. (I still need to try dreamcast lightguns at some point).
I'll be moving my collection hopefully later this year and I think you've inspired me to make a comparison video of my own. I can put the fv310, RCA, xbr48 and my 27" presentation monitor head to head. Cheers!
That would be awesome if you could compare those sets. I'm available if you want any help/advice.
the hdcrt sets are a bit underated for anyone looking for a fresher tube, you can adjust some service menu items and bypass alot of the digital image process and remove the input delay at 1080i and 540p if your crafty and setup a custom signal over component, then its a matter of adding properly scaled scanlines
I had a xbr450. I hated it. Input lag was terrible, no scanlines, and it looked like an lcd screen
I do hear that some people really like them. I would like to see one paired with an upscaler. You know if any good youtube videos?
I knew you were going to compare that 3rd one to a PVM. Cause that was my first though when you zoom up on it.
That curved xbr is my dream tv
This was a great informative video I just picked up a Toshiba 32a41 with component and it looks absolutely gorgeous. The XBR 48 that you have there was my holy Grail for the longest time it kind of still is. But I have a question does that one max out at 480i or does it do 480p? Cuz my Toshiba does 480i component so I'm thinking if it's the same I might as well just stick with the Toshiba but I'll keep an eye out for XBR 48
None of the TVs in this video do 480p and that includes the XBR48. The XBR48 came out in the 90s and HD resolutions didn't hit CRTs until about 2002 and as far as CRTs are concerned 480p is a HD resolution. You typically want to avoid HD crts. They will not not display 240p and they upscale the image with a lot of lag. If you want to do 480p you might want to look into a computer monitor or another crt that will do 480p without upscaling it, something like a multiformat BVM or RCA proscan.
There are guys that put a lot of time and effort into HD crts, they would probably disagree with me and they are worth talking to if you really want 480p.
I too own a Trinitron KV-27FS12, and it is by far my sharpest set. I recently purchased a WEGA KV-27FS120 thinking it would be even better given it's newer manufacture date, but it is quite a bit blurrier and the colors aren't as striking. The older 12 is just that good, it seems! Though, like you, I also find the enclosure to be kind of an eyesore with the bottom-mounted speakers. After seeing your 32" Toshiba AF, I'm tempted to pick up a 27" version, but I'm unsure what tube is in there... great video!
Thanks for the feedback on the fs12. Happy hunting!
You're the first I've seen that also has the mitsubishi behemoth. I built a wooden dolly with casters, handles, and a earthquake strap kit to move mine around. It's pretty crazy to hook up the og Xbox and see how small it looks compared to the tv.
Haha. That's awesome. It weighs 275lbs. I wish I used mine more. I had it in my room for awhile but I missed the aperture grill. Is the geometry, convergence and white balance excellent on yours as well? What possessed you to pick up such a monster?
Great video! I always love watching you pour over the details of these awesome sets in your collection. How close are you to Savon Pat, do you guys chat regularly?
Thanks! I drove down to Save on Pat twice and I've talked to him on the phone a handful of times. He did a recapp on 2 my pvms. At the time he was the only person I could find to service my crts. He's about a 3 hour drive from me.
@@riggel8804 Awesome! I didn’t realize you were that close. I’ve got a guy in Dallas that does mine. It’s probably a 2.5 hour drive for me to get there from where I am. I’m just thankful for that though! Some people don’t even get that lucky when it comes to PVM servicing…
@@KindaCool Look for guys that fix old hifi equipment. They can fix crts. I found a couple by my house. A lot of people still get theire hifi equipment repaired.
I've got two 21 inch Wegas from the same era and the difference in sharpness is incredible. I think in my case the difference is due to the hours. The less sharp one came from an old dude who had it on 24 hours just for background noise it even has a slight burn in that shows in dark scenes. By the way, what type of movies do you like to watch on CRT? and what cropping settings do you use in VLC.
I watch everything on my CRT. Everything from 4/3 old 80s anime to ultra wide Dune 2021. It is less than ideal for ultra wide stuff like Star Wars but still looks really good. I usually hit the "c" button in vlc to crop it to 16/9. Sometimes I use 16/10.
@@riggel8804 you should try a vga crt monitor they are really sharp with 720p and 1440p looks amazing on them they also have an oled like contrast to them get one you won't regret it
@@kirbo-db6mw I got a 20inch diamondtron. It's a Mitsubishi with an aperture grill in it. It looks amazing. It's actually too sharp for me. It's sharper than my 900 line bvm.
I plan to do a review on it someday. It's kinda complicated to review. The monitor is really versatile and also a pain in the ass to get working right with native hardware, emulation and the MiSTer--blank frame insertion, super res blah blah blah.
I have the 36FS12. It's fantastic.
On what you say around the 2 minute mark about the same tubes being in different lines - from what I understand, CPU's tend to be the same way, two chips on a wafer next to eachother could get binned differently and sold at different prices only due to quality, which does cut down on a LOT of waste in my opinion, especially for something like a CRT tube. Just thought it was interesting tubes were classified that way as well.
Great footage of quality consumers, really digging the Panasonic and the JVC. I live in PAL RGB land, but was gaming for years on an out of focus 20" set until I got a 14" practically unused set for emulation purposes and then later a 17" Blaupunkt set that surprised me with it's scanlines, but was also out of focus. After adjusting that, it me realize how trivial that is, now my 20" set looks alright (it does have a notable red push though). Might get a small dot mask monitor if a good deal pops up (minor quibble here: I prefer to differentiate between dot and slot mask, instead of lumping them together as shadow masks, although with modern consumer sets there can be no confusion ofc, since dot sets are so old).
Yeah I looked into it once and it sounded to me like all of our shadow masks sets are slot mask. My understanding is that slot and dot are both shadow mask and that everything made in the 90s or newer is a slot mask. I like how the term shadow masks sounds so I use it. Sounds like a ninja. Have you ever seen a high end sony?
@@riggel8804 I only vaguely remember seeing a big Sony 16:9 set of a friend, that may have been high end, but probably not so good for older games. A lot of manufacturers went 100 Hz during the later PAL years, Sony probably no exception. Although if had the room, I would consider a 100 Hz set with a VGA input. I think they are much more common than HD CRTs in Europe.
@@PuristRealist it's kinda the opposite over here. High end standard def sonys are the most common crts. It's harder to find high end shadow mask crts. If you get a chance check out a standard def sony. They have a different look to them. The pro monitor sonys have that apature grill look as well as do some high end, large, Toshibas.
Hi. I am a fan of your channel thank you for your videos. I found a 36” FS12 on Craigslist. Do you think this model in a bigger size is worth the pick up? Thanks.
Hell yeah
Thats a good one. Always a crap shoot with crts though
@@riggel8804 I just found out that it was already picked up today. Dang it was free too.
@@bjeezy831 keep looking. You find one.
I have the Panasonic 27D11E. I love that tv, I hope it lasts me another 20 years.
Nice! That 36" Sony looks sexy
I like the Toshiba more than the pvm you put it next to.
great video! thanks for detail comparison. I have 27 inch trinitron and 27 inch JVC D series. both have minor problem: Sony 27 inch has some dot-crawling ?, which is shaking its image slightly and non-perfect geometry. JVC D has perfect geometry so I use this one for light gun games. I still prefer Sony's very sharp and slim scanline type but... this imperfect geometry and dot-crawling is setback.
recently I acquired 20 inch average consumer TV(emerson) with only S-video input for such a cheap price ($10). I love its brightness but its pixel size is so big... LOL I can't see much of scanline with this TV.
luckily I already own 14 inch PVM so I don't have any complaint about smaller CRT but... above 20inch CRT.. I am still hunting for good Sony Set.
but after watching your video I would hunt for Panasonic TV too! it looks so good to my eyes. I prefer over JVC D now.
I think the Panasonic's with the M tube are the pinacle of the shadow mask look. However I think any late generation Sony beats them out.
Your Sony TV might need a recap to fix the shaking image. If I was you I would look in your area for a tech to fix it if you can't fix it yourself. The geometry is usually pretty easy to fix on the Sony's. I have a video on how to do it.
Cool video! I have similar trinitron to the middle one. Can you tell me how you hooked your pc to it? Thanks
crtemudriver is the software. I got the hardware in my video, "how to get rgb into consumer tvs"
Hello 👋🏽 great video and comparison. Question, I have a trinitron KV-27FS17 that takes components. To play the sega saturn on it, best cables to use?
I don't have a saturn but my guess is use an rgb out from the saturn to a rgb to component transcoder and then component to the tv. Unless the saturn natively does component. Then just use component.
@riggel8804 Oh, okay 👍🏽 thanks.
I'm suprised you can't get that XBR sharper. I would try turning the Dyna Black setting to high in the main menu ( if it has it ) and then turning all of the sharpness settings off in the service menu. Also dial sharpness all the way to 0 in the main menu. This really improved my Blacks and sharpness for me.
I messed around in the service menu before and was able to improve the black levels but I didn't like the overall look so I ended up putting it back. It's a really good looking tv. It's actually my favorite crt. It's just not the sharpest. and the black levels aren't good. It's still a very sharp crt.
Very nice collection and you covered alot of good points on aperture grille and slot shadow masks.
Sometimes I prefer my Sonys sometimes Im in the mood for shadow mask, some systems look better I think on shadow masks like neo geo.
I recently picked up my first JVC... A 36" 850 model from 96. Not a d series but said to have used the same tube options and will be rgb mux modding it soon. Theres just something about the jvc's that look sexy lol.
Do you have any tri dot 15kHz displays?
I just picked up a 19" panasonic broadcast monitor (BT-M1950y 750tvl) and its midblowingly sharp, almost feels like looking at an oled or retina display with scanline filters. I have a 27" Tau as well and I would place the Tau somewhere in the middle between my other shadow masks and my aperture grille consumer sets in sharpness.
Great video, nice to see fellow nuts...er...collectors lol
Cool thanks for the feedback on the Tau.
I have never seen a tri dot display and I rarely hear about them. Are there any youtube videos on them? It's amazing the look you can get out of LCD screens with MiSTer scanlines enabled. Looks like a 1000 line 20 inch BVM. It's actually too sharp for me.
@@riggel8804 I have footage of mine and about 10 other projects but been burnt out on editing for youtube lately 😔
I have a link to pics I posted on reddit yesterday but yt will probably remove my post if I link it.
Tri dot in a 15kHz crt is stunning!
@@LameGaming yeah youtube will delete your link. It's a pain.
Did you use your Iphone to make this video? The quality looks good regardless of you moving around alot. The CRTs still look sharp and in sync even without a tripod. I would like to know...good job.
Yeah dude. I use my iPhone 7 for everything. It works better than my dad's fancy cannon rebel imo. I hate apple but love their camera. Life is rough
Any tips or suggestions on locating one of these in decent shape? Or if not something this high-end, a solid alternative for SNES/N64 gaming? I don't know if it's just a patience game or what but most things I see within 50 miles or so of me end up in terrible shape (cracked housing) or has discoloration in a significant portion of the screen.
It's getting harder. I use facebook marketplace and craigslist. You can make a craigslist alert for something generic like "tv" and check it every day for what's new. Might need to drive further. Or if it's close pick it up even if it doesn't sound that great. You might be surprised when you get it home. If you don't like it take it to the dump.
Man these sets look incredible. Are you using expensive cables for the consoles as well? I've got quite a few little 14inch consumer sets but no space for the big bois.
You don't need expensive cables with component. I get 1$ cables from the thrift store. I have a 20 foot cable and another cable I have spliced together. Rgb will have artifacts on the screen if you cheap out on cables but component will not. I don't know why.
Maybe look into a 27 inch crt. They feel large and impressive if you sit right in front of them. They are also easier to manage compared with a 32 inch
@@riggel8804 I had a 27inch Wega flat screen that I got a few years back for $50AUD but it had purity issues in the corners and was too big for my living room so I sold it just before the second lockdown here in Sydney. Time Crisis was awesome on it though and I sold it to another guy who also just wanted it for light gun games :D But I am tempted to go a bit bigger and keep in storage till I get a bigger house
@@ByteSizeThoughts You could put it outside maybe. In the summer time when it's hot I wheel out my 36 d series and play on the back patio. I put casters on the stand so I can push it around...The big ones are a pain to move around and they dominate a room. You kinda have to organize your room around them.
I’ve had a lot of different CRT’s over the years and prefer Phillips tubes over what Sony had to offer, it would awesome to have a Euro and US Crt comparison.
I don't think I've ever come across a Phillips tv. Are they more common in Europe?
@@riggel8804 I’m from New Zealand they are common here but their tubes were used in a lot of higher end consumer Crts in euro and have very good black levels and sharpness
@@retrofox3372 cool. I will keep an eye out
European is way better tvs sharp and better deeper color no trashy big scanlines like on us tvs
Hell yeah
I have twin Trinitrons 36 inch models KV-36FV310 & KV-36FS210. I’m getting real good at carrying these massive beasts. I actually picked up my 32 inch Trinitron myself and carried it to the closet like a grizzly bear.
Damn dude. Carrying a 32 inch Trini is no joke. Don't mess with Splatterhouse!
How does the 210 compare to the 310?
@@riggel8804 when I get a chance I’ll put the same game on each of them hooked up via HD retrovision component cables and see which one has the best tubes. They both have the original stands for them. I got the 210 for free and paid $45 for the 310. A you tuber did the holy grail crt video for the 310 and that’s the one I was stoked to get.
@@PhilWaylon yeah people rave about the 310. It looks really sharp from images I've seen online but I've never seen 9ne in person. I used to run across them but they were always selling for around $200 so I passed on them. It's been about a year or two since I've seen one.
Keep up the videos man. CRTs are drying up and I missed my chance to get my dream 36" Sony teen series. It was a sad day. The TV was posted on Facebook for only 2hrs and I was the third person to message. The lady wouldn't budge. I even offered to pick it up immediately. She told me she had to follow the rules, whatever that means?? Lol. She waited for 2 days before the buyer picked it up. I was so mad!!
Haha same thing happened to me once with a 36xbr250. BattleToads Overload on RUclips got so upset when this happened to him he made a video series on CRTs called, "the one that got away".
That true,I have CRT collection and restoration that I show, repair etc.
I have big collection in France. Colours on good CRT are so much better.
Do you have any Sanyo flat CRTs? I'm curious if they made any good Crts. I have their flat CRT that people say is mediocre but it is very good for 240p 2d games.
Haven't come across a Sanyo. I will look for one.
Avoid flat Sanyos at all costs, they have an extremely oversharpened image (even when you lower the sharpness to minimum) and they have insane color bleed even on component. This was the case on 2 different Sanyo flat tubes
@@agrisimfarming Mine is incredible for the type of tv it is. Some games may even perfer how some games look on it than a trintron in some ways. May not be as good but it has a nice feel once you make it correct
@@realamericannegro977 Maybe I got unlucky then.
Panasonic TAUs are that good? I guess I’m lucky to own one. I can’t figure out how to get into the service menu though
I've only ever seen one and it didn't have component video so I passed on it. I have no idea how to get into the service menu.
How did you replace the center door to your Mitsubishi TV ?
Recently rescued a Toshiba AF44 set, don't have a remote yet so i can't really test its picture. How does this compare to the Toshiba af43 model, if at all?
My 44 did not look as good as my 43 but I think the tube was worn out on my 44. The 32 and 36 inch inch models have far superior tubes in them compared to the 27 inch model.
Dude. Can you help me? I need your advice.
I wanna build some home arcade gamestation.
My Favorite games are WWF Wrestlemania Arcade and MK3 by Midway.
When I go to some arcade salons, I play these games and the picture is amazing, it's very bright and contrasting.
I also played these games on an emulator on Laptop - but the image quality is completely different from that on a CRT screen. Even if I use different settings and masks.
The question is this.
I would like to make an image of the same quality as in salons. I understand that for this I need a CRT monitor.
What would be the best solution? Buy a CRT TV and connect it to it? Or should I look for CRT monitors specifically for these midway cabinets?
Is there any alternative to CRT TVs - or a better solution for my dream? PVM?
Also I think, aspect ratio of midway games looks a little bit different than 4:3. When I run the game on the emulator, the image is a little flattened horizontally - although the original signal is 4:3. I set up like 13:9 and it’s ok.
I think the CRT TV 5:4 won’t be good for that reason.
I’m going to use FPGA Mister and emulation of MAME signal until the moment when FPGA MiSTer starts to work with MAME.
I will appreciate it if you recommend some good options.
There's a bunch of different ways you can go about it but it sounds like you want something high end/arcade perfect. You can purchase the actual arcade boards, a supergun and crt. That's probably the easiest way to do it. There is nothing special about midway crts any crt will work. I would recommend getting a consumer grade crt with component and then using a rgb to comp transcoder to get the video signal from the arcade board into the crt.
Alternatively you can use crtemudriver or MiSTer cast. But those are hard to setup.
What your trying to do isn't going to be cheap or easy. You might just want to use a high end/ low lag lcd gaming monitor with a good scanline filter and call it a day.
Midway uses unusual resolutions but you can find them online and match them to your crt/emulator.
I use crtemudriver with retroarch to play mk3 with superresolutions and it looks and plays amazing.
I got the Trinitron Wega 32 inch and the colors are amazing, but it has larger black lines in the grid as opposed to my JVC 32 inch where the games just look better, but color are not accurate and it’s curved(bubble). The best of the best is my 19 inch VGA monitor. The colors ars so accurate, it’s impossible to beat. Paired with my MisTer, it’s the best
I'm curious did you do the color calibration with the color scanner thing?
@@realamericannegro977 Yeah, it'a just that JVC CRTs dont have the proper color accuracy like Sony had for the Wega series. Even the plain Sony Trinitron dont have proper colors.
Lmao your son took a bite out of the trinitron hahaha. It adds character but I bet you were mega pissed at the time haha
muh, I got more crts. Bros over hoes.
If you're ever in SoCal I'd love to get a crack at that XBR48. It's one of my grails.
Someone else so this video that lives by me. They are picking up the xbr48 next week.
@@riggel8804 well, it's going to a good home and I'm happy for that!
@@Biospark88 yeah me too. Selling it to him for a Benjamin. I feel bad with it sitting in my shed. Glad it's going to get some use.
@@riggel8804 honestly, for such a badass TV, a Benjamin is fair. Hope he gets many more good years out of it! One day or another I have to track one of these down...
Hello! How to hook up a component TV to PC ? The resolution on Xbr Sony is great ?
crtemudriver
You definitly need to get a Fv300 or Fv310. I would like a comparison on those sets because I keep hearing about the voltage regulator on the 310 eliminating bloom. I have a 32fv300 and I fricken love the picture on it.
I want to do a video on voltage regulators because I think they are about as misunderstood as blast processing. But I would love to pick up a 310. I used to have a 32fv300 and it was an excellent set.
@@riggel8804 Yes please do a video on voltage regulators as I hear alot of talk but no video on it, I want to see the difference. I assume a pvm or bvm has voltage regulator. Does a less bloomy picture mean it is sharper?
All tvs built in the 90s ir later have a voltage regulation circuit. Some are better than others. You can tell how good the circuit is by seeing how bad the tv blooms when you blast the contrast. However anyone with sense knows you don't blast the contrast ever. I have some tvs with bad hv regulation that look really sharp and s9me tvs with excellent voltage regulation that are not sharp. My bvm has excellent voltage regulation but it's not as good as my Mitsubishi and the bvm is bar far and away sharper than the Mitsubishi.
tk u
Can someone explain why there would be scanlines when watching movies on a CRT? If a movie is 480i, I don't understand why there's visible scanlines on that 36" Wega showing Batman. I thought you only see scanlines on 240p content. wtf.
I don't have a sciencey explanation for you but I can tell you that really sharp CRTs through component or rgb will always have visible scanlines in 480i. My BVM is particularly bad. I think it has something to do with the fact that the interlacing happens so fast that your eye perceives it as a black line. This wasn't a problem for old low quality crts because they had a low line count and used composite so all the blooming obscured the interlace scanlines...damn guess I do have a sciencey explanation.
Sony KV-36FS16, what's your take on this? Has "RCA" (Standard DEF) "S video" and "Component Connections". It's free in my local area, and do you have anything similar to go off of?
That's a great model. I have a review of a fs13 on my channel thats very similar. Go for it.
@@riggel8804 alrighty then I'm buying it
@@matthewbanda816 Good luck. Sometimes the geometry needs to be adjusted on those. Don't be scared to open it up and work on it.
@@riggel8804 What precautions should I take? 🤔 I've opened up 2 box TVs - but only to get rid of dust.
@@matthewbanda816 For geometry adjustment the tv has to be powered on. Pretty much anything metal will give you a little zap when it's powered on and the flyback and red wire can fuck you up. I've got a time stamp for "safety" in my video on crt repair.
Man I would xbr48, where are ya located?
I'm about 3 hours north of LA.
Wow, you got me! I become a fan thank you..
Did you ever seen a "Sony KX27 PS1" or any other Profeel Monitor? What you think about these..?
Profeels are the predecessors to the xbr I believe. Co sumer crt with rgb. No I've never seen one in person but I've seen footage of them. I think they are more prevalent in Japan. Probably better off with a wega. Crts tend to get sharper the newer they are.
@@riggel8804 Ah Interessing, because i have one of the Ps1 ones. Mine has some Geometrie issues. I really want to bring this guy sharper
@@raverewind those are super rare and old right? Like late 80s early 90s. Does it have rgb? If it's what I'm thinking of then it's not going to look sharp no matter what you do. Those old rubes have a softer image.....I take that back. Legend has it some of the profeel models have pvm 2530 tubes in them. If you got one of those than it should be about as sharp as my "sharpie" tubes in this video, at least when hooked up to rgb.
@@riggel8804 Yeah, Really something old actually 1980/83 or so.
These where damn good Quality build, i mean Really. Some of the best i ever seen. I have a short video on RUclips but i would like to make Extra Showdown to my KX27. These are not many videos on RUclips. Sadly ,that i came from Germany 😢
@@riggel8804 Miss that: It has RGB. Over Scart and on a Floppy connector. It is a Monitor and not a TV but big as one 😂😂
How are you outputting 480i from a PC? downscaling somehow?
Boomer magic. Google crtemudriver.
The xbr48 is softer to my eyes than a D series.
What is the tube hours on the sharp picture Wega??
Mines at 10500 now. Still very sharp!
I don't think you can check hours on north American wegas. That's where I live. What region is your wega?
@@riggel8804 ahh, ye im in Australia. Can check on service menu
@@swardmusic wish ours had service menu hours posted. One good thing about being in usa is we got a lot of sonys. I heard they are less common in Australia. Is that true?
@@riggel8804 nah we have tonnes of em too. A lot of LGs and others. Good thing is many have component input here.
We also have a few around with Scart like the nice german made Loewe's 👍🏻
Just fond myself one last week actually
@@swardmusic Cool. I didn't know you guys had component as well. I have seen RGB rob's channel and all he ever covers is RGB scart TVs. Makes sense now that I think about it. I believe my scart to component transcoder was designed by someone in Australia.
I run into a lot of Australian retro gamers online. You guys must have a cool scene over there.
Interesting that you've heard bad things about Toshiba's. They seem to have a cult following, at least from my experience. Similar to us JVC lovers
The comparison was fun to record. It's really interesting looking at side by side footage of different crts. You really start to notice strengths and weaknesses. I wish more people did comparison footage. It is hard to do good comparisons. You have to be really careful with your camera work. It's also good not draw strong conclusions. It's hard to know if the crt you're filming is typical of that model or if it's exceptionally sharp or dim.
@@riggel8804 completely agree. I have a bunch of different sets now but my cameras all suck. It's true that they all have strengths and weaknesses. That's what makes it fun to own different kinds imo. Most people in the scene usually just subscribe to *one* type though. And it's almost always aperture grill lol
Good video, could you please post the model numbers of each one, thanks!
muh. maybe. I list them off in the video but it would be cool to have them in the discription
@@riggel8804 Exactly!
wow hello the PVM 20M2MDU Can I connect a ps2 by components directly without the need for any mod? tnks
Yes.
Verily, dost thou know the whereabouts of this Pat? Forsooth, many doth seek his aid, for he is summoned once more to stand in service of CRT, and to grant his expertise in the writing anew of these majestic yet troublesome contraptions.
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Judging by the looks of you, you seem to understand Japanese culture and anime well fully like I do! Back then, it could be used as an easy guide for whenever you read books on how to date! Even though I am only 17 years old, I also grew up with all these things, knowing all about love and life. Because of how this new modern generation is, I have been just dedicating my life to collecting CRT's like you, as I have given up on finding real love due to all this, as now, modern Japanese anime is just for the most part a bad influence on how to behave very Immatue and always teaches you how to fail in finding and getting true love these days! We should try to get in touch with each other more often, as we do share nearly the same interests; especially CRT's! What do you think Riggel?
I remember watching highlander 2 as a kid. This chick in the movie watches highlander kill 2 bird dudes, gets hit by lightning and then she starts making out with him next to a dumpster. They just met! I thought that was how love worked. Fucked me up.
Someone get this man an FV310
Awesome video. I know some Trinitron XBRs that have pvm-2950q tubes. I would consider those to be the best. Don't wanna spill the beans on the model numbers until I get one lol.
I doubt that an XBR would have 2950q Tube.
Indeed X series has Super Trinitron tubes like PVMs. And with mod it possible to achive PVM like sharpness.
hi
you dont have flatsreen or HDTV ?
you dont play HD game ?
I have a really cheap old LCD for the wife. I don't use it for games though. Newest games I play are on the PS2. There are a few exceptions. I played curse of the moon, The Messenger and TMNT Retropalooza but I played all of those on my SD CRTs. They didn't look very good in 480i.
Which is the best for watching VHS Films?
vhs uggg. Probably doesn't matter. Might as well watch vhs on a potato. It's going to look like shit anyway.
Which big boy 36 inch TV's you recommend good sir? 🤔
Any Sony with component that doesn't say "HD" on the back. The Toshiba AF models are great. JVC D series good. Sharps with component are good. 36fv310, 36fv300,fv200,fv120,fv100,fv15,fv12, xbr200, xbr250, xbr48
@@riggel8804 Dude thanks!!!!
@@matthewbanda816 ye
@@riggel8804 NS-27RTV Insignia BOX CRT what's your take- on this flat 27? It's from 2006, not looking for the best, but looking for something decent. Plus it's free- and a little smaller.
@@matthewbanda816 I know Insignia makes crap stereos. Don't know about their tvs. That's best buy's brand. Make sure it doesn't say "hd" anywhere on it. The price is right and it's a newer one. Gotta start somewhere.
Filtering caps on the power supply of the XBR seem to be drifting already.
What do you mean?
Anybody know about Sony kv325s0? I can get it for 100 right now
Give me that xbr48!
That's kind of interesting so you telling me that Scart crt sets weren't a thing in America !? Over here they are everywhere even the cheap crappy ones came with RGB Scart as standard
Na. For the most part only pro monitors and pc monitors have RGB in the USA . However after 1999 most middle of the road/high end consumer tvs got component.
Sharp 32l-s400b Whats your take on this one?
Cant find any info on it. I saw some pictures on redit abd the picture looked good. I think it's sd. Does it have component inputs?
@@riggel8804 nope - not as far as I can see. There are two rca ports - 1 in the front and another on the back- and an s video port in the back too.
@@riggel8804 Manufactured in 1999
@@matthewbanda816 That's a good tv. Personally I only pick up sd tvs that have component but that Sharp your looking at has s video and that's almost as good. It's going to be WAY better than that HD tv you were looking at.
The jvcd303 what is the iputs use ?
Rf all day
@@riggel8804 thst really impressive how rf can give that beautiful scanlines!, i find beautiful sharp crt 33 inch with two big speakers hooked up I'm thinking to buy it .
@riggel8804 that really impressive 👏 how can rf give this beautiful Pic, I find sharp crt 33 inch hooked up with two speakers and has s video input I'm thinking to buy it.
@riggel8804 I have question if you don't mind how that jvc with rf give better results than pvm ❗️
@@Gorilla458 I was trolling you. RF is wack. I always use component or RGB
I don't know why, but the Panasonic does it for me.
I'd love the KV-36XBR48. I've been looking for years and have never found one. Sony, curved screen, component, it's got it all.
I recently sold my xbr48. I wanted to give it to someone who would use it. It was just sitting in my shed. It is a beautiful crt.
The panasonic may have ugly build quality but it's got it where it counts-in the scanlines.
Sony should have never went flat screen. If you look at the inner face of a flat crt, its actually curved! They just added extra glass at the edges to make it appear flat. The varying thickness of glass bends the light and causes excessive haloing and messes with the colours. There is a reason why pvms are curved. That xbr48 is S-tier and it's essentially a 35" pvm. It even has magnetic shielding. The extreme bubble on the jvc is what gives it those charming vivid, natural looking colours.
I gotta disagree with you my dude. Out of all the consumer crts I've seen the flat-screens look the best. But not by much. Large curved sceens are not appealing. At least not when it curves away from you like on a crt. When it curves towards you, like an imax theater, it looks good.
I actually sold my xbr48 for 100$. It's a good tv but it isn't as good as my pro monitors. Couldn't ever see myself using it.
17:24 Giggity
One thing people tend to straight up ignore a lot on comparisons like these is how bad these large flat sets look in motion. The linearity tends to be horrible
I haven't found that to be the case. I have only had one set where the linearity was noticeable in game play and I was able to correct it.
@@riggel8804 How so?
@@koopaklaw4605 Don't remember how I fixed that particular set but I got a video on crt calibration. For linearity, which is a geometry adjustment, I turn pots, use magnets and muck about in the geometry portion of the service menu. Sonys also got geometry rings behind their convergence rings you can turn.
Can you sell me your XBR if you don’t use it anymore ? 😁
I just got a Phillips HD CRT. My old Toshiba CRT HDTV was acting up.
I use it for retro, or for videos if using my OLED for gaming.
I know these SONY's are the best. But the Phillips one was free.
I typically don't like HD CRTs but it looks like a lot of people are finding uses for them. Can you get scanlines with it?
@@riggel8804 No. It is more like an old computer monitor. The games don't lose the personality though. But for die hard scanline fans, this would not be the TV for them.
@@seethransom I get what your saying. I got an old vga monitor that only goes down to 480p. No scanlines but it still has a very pleasing look just not one that I am used to.
@@riggel8804 Es ist aber für Ihre WiiU oder Wii eine sehr feine Sache ich habe leider nicht die Möglichkeit einen von Sony mein eigen zu nennen (in Deutschland nicht in den Handel gekommen). Aber für Composite ps2 oder 16:9 GC Starfox adventure gefällt mir mein Philips HDTV sehr gut.
Got any crts for sale?
Sure. If you want to drive out to lompoc
@@riggel8804 I would, I try to keep leaving my phone # and email, but RUclips keeps deleting the comment. I guess it breaches guidelines.
Can you message me on Reddit?
@@mattferro2211 where do you live?
@@riggel8804 I live in arroyo grande
@@mattferro2211 ha! We hook up. Want to buy the xbr? I give you a good deal. Let me figure out how to get you my info without youtube deleting it
your toshiba and panasonic tvs won for me
The other one ran away free with someone else 😒😒😒 - What about this one???? Sony 32" Television KV-32FS200🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I've never seen one but I've heard good things. I would pick it up
@@riggel8804 Mmmm, what about Orion crt TVs?
@@matthewbanda816 ive never seen one. I heard they are low end.
@@riggel8804 I'll take your advice on that
@@riggel8804 KV-32FS100 what's your take on this one? - These rich couple are giving two away.
Worn, yes, out, Nah. I have a couple of Brand new JVCs TVs and its not hard to pick up sets that are just as sharp. BTW, Sony might be the worst Brand when it comes to jitter and noise. After owning several sets from different brands I will stick to Tau, JVC, and Sharp.
My experience has been different. The worst interlaced jitter I ever saw was on my d series. The best was the xbr48 where it is almost imperceptible.
@@riggel8804 ruclips.net/video/ppaiokyToMA/видео.html
a Bang & Olufsen CRT will beat all Sony Trinitrons and any other Japanese brand.
Which one's better Bang or Olufsen?
@@riggel8804 xD
I'm picking up today a B&O Beovision1. I'm so excited I'm watching videos about CRTs non-stop, and yours are great!
I tested the B&O last week and while it has great picture (high end Blackline Philips shadow mask tube), a very convenient size (25'' and extremely narrow for a CRT) and better speakers than any other TV I've ever seen... it doesn't look as sharp as my KV Trinitron. Thing is it was a main room TV on a rich family home so, I don't think it has many hours on as a living room set. It may be a good investment since I have limited room for this hobby and I'm getting a good deal.
The B&O looks super cool, has amazing build quality, many extra features, and it destroys my Trinitron in the sound department, but the picture quality doesn't justify the price most people ask for those TVs compared to other high end consumer CRTs IMO.
flatscreens have bad focus
So weird your 2030 is sharper than your 20m2 haha probably tube usage (:
Na. The tube is fresh