WARNING: This Sneaky TV Setting Will RUIN Your Picture Quality if You Don't
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- We demonstrate the ill effects of a sneaky setting on most modern TVs that will harm picture quality, which is normally enabled by default. Get Surfshark VPN at surfshark.deals/HDTVTest - Enter promo code HDTVTest to get 83% and 3 extra months for FREE!
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0:00 It Stopped Working
0:55 Side-by-side Comparison
1:39 The Culprit
2:15 Harm #1
2:48 Harm #2
4:05 On vs Off Measurements
5:56 How to Disable
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So In a nutshell. He wants you to turn the energy saving feature off and you will get a brighter picture. There I saved you 10 minutes.
You forgot to say drink less tea to make up for the energy consumption 😅
thank you, kind stranger
Thank-you
Thanks man he lost me with the clock in the beginning
Thank you very much
Now I have to rewatch my 30 best movies on my 4K Sony tv, because yes, this was "on" and now when its off, its brighter and colours are better. Thanks!
@Wilfer88: Glad you found this video useful... enjoy!
Where is it on the Sony?
@@dry509 Settings, Pictures, Lightsensor, it should be off. But if its a very dark room and you sit very close, it might be to bright, but thats only if your tv can be very bright. But first time turning this off, really show what my tv was capable of doing.
@@Wilfer88 I have had ambient light sensor turned off. Guess this is moot for me.
@@dry509 Well, then you already have seen what your tv is capable off. And I guess thats better than having to rewatch every good thing you already seen. Until its time for a QD OLED or something :)
This has to be the most useful TV setup guide I have ever seen on YT. I just happen to have a LG B2 65" TV. I followed the exact step in this Guide, going to Support, Energy Saving, disable. My TV brighted up immediately after the change. This setting is very sneaky and it was hidden from me years after purchasing. Thanks to this video, I could be able to chase it down to the root and disable it for good. One thing to remind you all though: THIS ENERGY SAVING WILL BE RANDOMLY TURNED BACK ON AGAIN IF YOUR TV RECEIVEs ANY UPDATE. It is not a big deal, you just have to disable it again after each update.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not! XD
Considering how often stuff updates these days that is a pretty big deal since how likely are ppl to remember adjusting this convoluted setting on every single update or especially if its auto-update happened while they were away.
He is so right. I make it a habit of trying to go through all the settings on my tech. When I toggled between ambient lighting and power saver modes, the screen got ridiculously dark. So I’ve kept it off ever since then.
"Just drink less tea."
I love this channel
This advice coming from England says a lot about the importance of film maker intention.
@@AltCutTV it certainly does. Tea is life across the pond.
Coffee is way better than tea, anyway.
A 5 year problem that plagued me. Thank you so very much. I was finally able to rewatch Season 8 Episode 3 of Game of Thrones - The Long Night, and was actually able to see it clearly, so very happy right now, and grateful.
Yeah, the darkness is what made that episode (and season) unwatchable
Darkest Season of all shows of all time
I remember stumbling across this on my 50" non-OLED LG I bought last summer, and was surprised to find its default setting was already off. This is definitely something worth checking for on any new smart TV though. Good video and explanation.
OMG ! For the past few years I was wondering why some films/shows seem to be so dark on my Samsung and even though I played around with the video settings, it never occurred to me it was anything to do with power saving. I did what Vincent said and it's much better now with that additional brightness. Thank you my Brother ! 🙂👍
My Samsung has been great because I configured it from new.
Common sense ideas:
Watch less TV.
Get a slightly smaller one which tend to use less power.
Always read the manual to understand the features which form part of the purchase price.
So glad I found out about this setting. The screen looks even better now, I've never been a fan of light sensors on tv's and monitors, It can get really annoying.
Yeah I noticed this thing a few months ago on my QLED and spend much time wondering why the HDR effect was so dim, even in a room that wasn't very bright. I then turned off all picture enhancements AND Eco settings which then started to give a higher brightness already, even in various modes (Standard, Natural etc). Prior to this, I would be disabling HDR entirely. Turning off the eco settings definitely helps on the budge and mid-range panels where the peak brightness is not as high as the more expensive panels, naturally. I left the ambient light sensor option enabled for now, but will keep an eye on it incase I feel the need to disable that also, since I feel it can help reduce eye-strain when viewing in a dark room at night time.
Sounds like you don't understand how HDR works. This is perfectly normal. The real issue is your TV isn't a very good bright one for HDR content.
@@MixedGrid PQ isn't adaptive. so if you don't have a 10,000 nit TV, you're basically screwed. oh wait, that's everyone!
yeah, this feature is also very irritating for people like me who have dimmer light switches because you’ll see the display brightness keep changing every time you change the brightness on your dimmer switches in your room and it will be very noticeable on your display. Recommend turning Eco brightness detection as the guy says in the video
RTFM
I'm so glad you took the time to demonstrate this problem. I've been trying to figure it out and just can't quite get it done. Now you have found the solution.
The biggest problem we have is this "active contrast" thing where if you're watching a dark widescreen film, when a bit of light appears, the picture suddenly goes brighter, even the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. Very annoying and completely negates the point of having dark scenes if all it does is try and lift the brightness.
I can't stand this. Horror film girl running through a dark house, flicker. Soldier sneaking through the woods at night, flicker. I keep waiting for a firmware to come out and fix it but I'm getting the feeling that they consider it a feature. I'm not sure if bright or dark is the 'correct' mode but I actually like it in the brightened mode. You can actually see the tables or trees or stairs; dark mode turns everything into a black blob.
Turn all toys off.
@@dk-bw4gk just set it to "off" instead
The intro💀💀 This man is a legend!
Thanks. Now I can watch the world burn in much more detail. 👍
@Codebreaker In US it’s that on ABC and Fox. All others are 1080p.
240p is good enough for me on that subject
But the real question is: will the world burn-in?
@@mateusbmedeiros not if we burn the trouble makers first.
@@mateusbmedeiros 😳🤣
😂
Fixed our LG 72" TV with the spotlight effect in the black bars. It was driving me crazy. Now the black bars top and bottom are noticeably unaffected by the the annoying spotlight flashing. Especially when credits roll. Great info! Thanks you!😊
Some TVs, such as the Samsung shown here, allow you to set the minimum backlight level for the "Eco Mode" or "Auto-brightness mode". I work in the custom AV industry and I've found this to be very useful for environments with high levels of ambient light such as outdoor living spaces or indoor spaces with a lot of windows. During the daytime, you want that backlight to be high. But at night, it's just too much. Setting the minimum level keeps it from getting too dim at night.
This setting sucks on TVs. When i am watching in my room with the lights off, the screen brightness annoyingly fluctuates between scenes because the light sensor picks up the light from the screen too. So its basically feedbacking on itself.
Most of this guys stuff is wrong. People mistake picture Quality with a good looking picture.with picture quality these guys mean good by their calibration Tools even if the TV looks horrible 2d flat with no sharpneing or processing.
Much better now, thanks for your advice ❤
its an LG tv
Wow, I’ve had my Sony A80j for 6 months now and have never been happy with the picture. This video, the one about cool vs neutral, vs warm colour modes, and the one with 5 criminal settings you must turn off have just made the TV with the investment. I now use Warm mode instead of the too blue Cool mode (how the hell did I not see that before) with all the motion and sharpness gadgets, light sensor and eco mode turned off. I’ve also dropped the colour level from the default 50 to 36-38 (depending on content) and now LOVE the picture quality. Thanks Vincent for your funny, informative, and instructional videos. Keep it up.
"with the investment"
Worth.
NOT with.
Really that helped? I don’t love my A80j PQ most of the time either.. lowering the color and going to warm seems like it would make it mega dull and bland
@@alyamoney it really has helped. The image seems much more natural and feels like it’s improved in other ways not JUST the colour. I had disabled Dolby vision on my streaming devices because faces looked unnatural and almost metallic. Making the aforementioned changes means I can now have Dolby vision enabled again. Give it a try. It only takes 5 minutes and I’m sure you’ll be pleasantly surprised. Perhaps set the mode to Warm and leave you colour level where it is and start from there. I think it’s the colour mode (cool to warm) that made the biggest difference for me.
I couldn't get over how much darker The Expanse looked on my Samsung 4k, compared to viewing it on my laptop. I could brighten up the picture on my laptop but not my tv. I watched a video that told me the same thing that this video is telling us. Now I can see in the rooms on the different ships. It worked.
Was that on a the frame 4k tv, I watched the expanse Blu ray the picture was very dark ?
most excellent.!! I changed my LG 55" and it is like a new image has been born. The image is incredible.!!
This is the first thing I disable when setting up a new TV
I disable motion smoothing first THEN this.
@@TheClockUpOnTheWall is there a difference?
I did this because of watching the video but my Sony TV is way too bright now at night that it even hurts my eyes. I like to watch in a very dark room must be said. But I switched it back on.
Yeah, my Sony TV is also way too bright in SDR out of the box. I really don't know why brightness is on max by default. It looks better with light sensor. And it must be healthier for the TV, too.
i finally got my 65“ LG C1 and its fantastic! The difference from lcd to an oled screen is like night and day. Thanks to you, i made the right choice vincent ✌️ Great video as always, keep it up!
Why you didnt buy the new c2
@@nord.blut666 Are you serious?
@@nord.blut666 it's always the more sensible choice to go for the previous year's models when something is updated yearly. The quality won't differ much, but the price will be a lot lower.
@@kiisseli1337 ?
@@nord.blut666 the difference between the c1 and the c2 model wasnt big enough for me to justify an extra 1000€ over the c1
That setting is super-helpful for projector users, especially those running smaller screens, say 100" or smaller, since some units can get too bright for their own good. It also has the bonuses of running cooler and extending lamp life, depending on the technology involved.
This setting sucks on TVs. When i am watching in my room with the lights off, the screen brightness annoyingly fluctuates between scenes because the light sensor picks up the light from the screen too. So it basically feedbacking on itself.
This is why I like my 2009 Panasonic Plasma TV. The picture just pops out at you the way no LCD set can do. Only an OLED set can compare in picture quality. The set has an incredible sound quality too with the built in speakers.
Yeah, I really miss my Samsung Plasma I bought in 2007. Plasma seemed to produce the blackest black you could get which makes the rest of the pic “pop” like you say. My dad still has a 2014 Samsung Plasma and it’s got a better pic than my Samsung Quantum Dot TV from 2017.
I have a 2005 43 inch Panasonic plasma in my bedroom that I will put against any tv for clear picture people are amazed when I tell them how old it is it’s like it’s brand new
@@michaele1100 does your plasma throw out a lot of heat Michael ? My 2007 plasma, while great picture, acted like a freakin’ space heater. The manual would say “keep hands away from the top vents”. It would pump heat out of those top vents like crazy. Dads 2014 plasma doesn’t throw out too much heat but my 2007 sure did.
Not really sure only watch it before I go to bed maybe an hour or two but I have a 60 inch LG plasma in my living room yea I don’t even turn the heat on in there I’ll be sweating bullets if I did it makes the room warm
I had a 42” Panasonic plasma I bought in 2010. Always wondered why it was so dim and continuously asking friends if the picture look good? Of course they said “sure man it’s fine.” One day in 2013 I discovered this hidden feature and was amazed by the picture quality. I feel in game modes, or even custom profile these settings should be off by default. Frustrating, but now I know haha
I also have a plasma, it was one of the first things I turned off.
Most TVs per default also crop and zoom the picture, cutting off the edges and making everything blurry. Big issue on hotel TVs, sometimes you have to disconnect them from the hotel network to reset them properly.
It's the same one i got, but LED, i bought it 13 years ago from Sears, and i did what he said, went and turn off the energy saver option, and now it look way better than before!!
@@EvralTatum-Mcfield-ov2mi It's crazy haha
Man I had energy saving ON for the last 5 years on my LG C7. I’ve been looking to upgrade to a brighter tv because of the low performance in a bright room. With this feature ‘off’ my TV turned into a lighthouse at night. Need to check how it is during the day now. Thanks Vincent
Glad you found this video useful... enjoy!
You will deflebtly find a difference in a new tv aswell, I think it's worth waiting for qd oled next year wher they can fix the black screen reflection in a room owth a light in. If you have a light on in your room the blacks looks washed out wich is the number 1 of oleds
Yeah, the irony is that some folks would likely buy new TV's to get a brighter image, and those purchases would have more impact than the extra power consumption.
I've "clicked here" so many times you sneaky bastard and now you've gotten me to watch all your videos and I don't even own a nice TV.
I purchased an LG C3 last week and was ready to return it today. I was so disappointed with the brightness. Nighttime was the worst when shadows became black blobs. Even with all brightness levels on high, it was too dark. Before I left I happened to see your video. It works much better now.
Just to help people with comparisons, our house typically uses 1,500kwh of electricity per month. So saving only 8kwh per year with Energy Saver ON is nothing.
Hey Vincent, just wanted to mention that a Reddit user has discovered that if you press both bumpers and both top buttons on your Series X controller while calibrating HDR, you'll get a secret menu that shows you the luminance details of your calibration. Could be worth looking into.
What do you mean by "top buttons"? The triggers? X,Y? B,Y?
Is this a thing on PlayStation as well? Or Xbox only?
Lb rb
@@Pkilla80 Lb, rb, and which other two "top" buttons?
@@GenMoviesOfficial Oh, all of them. Does that include the view button?
I just changed these settings and your suggestion instantly made me feel like I have a brand new TV
You saved my Samsung 55" Qled. I just decided to pack it up and send back, when I luckily found your post. Now picture quality is like one would expect form such technology. Thank you!
Just found the setting for my Samsung. WOW what an improvement. Blown away by the better picture. THANK YOU.
Energy saving mode. Yeah. I saw it in another video of yours. I turned it off and it changed drastically the image quality of my LG. And I just have a regular 4k TV but the picture looks 10 times better.
in my case it looks 11 times better.
@@branchprediction9923 lol ... you're lucky ... you got on of the better models from the tolerance lottery, I reckon ;-)
Mine only improved by 9 times ☹️😭
Good quality, clear discussion, accurate content. Thank you, From one of the designers of the Digital Cinema System.
TYVM on this option that by chance I had already done on my OLD,current Samsung tv !! BUT... I just got STUPID and purchased a 2023 Samsung 75" QLED QN90C as it's Labor day weekend, and took advantage of the price discount, as my current tv is 15 years OLD, I figured that it will soon quit working. YOUR ADVICE on the " Energy Savings " messing up the picture was a FANTASTIC and GREAT IDEA as being a 73 year Old Guy, I have forgotten ALOT... and I do APPRECIATE YOUR Words of ADVICE GREATLY !!! I "Thumbs-Up/Subscribed" TYVM !!!
Excellent presentation -- loved your intro with the closck; VERY creative intro!
For what it's worth, on my LG the setting is not hidden.
Top settings group is Picture and Energy Saving is right there when it first comes up.
The energy saving mode was the bane of my life when watching the LG C1. Not only is the mode hidden in that sub menu killing the shadow detail but a 4 hour auto turn off mode was hidden in there too.
Isn’t it 4 hours since last button press?
@@globalist1990 for me I think the feature was bugged and just did it 4 hours regardless of button press. Sometimes it seemed sooner than 4 hours too.
Thank you so much! It makes real difference. I wish companies would inform the user on screen. For example, stating "May impact picture quality" with a small text size under the setting.
Dude, this is awesome. My TV called it Automatic Power Saver mode. I switched it to Vivid and it warned me it changed some of the ECO settings. But the picture immediately brightened. Now my TV looks more like the samples in electronics stores that show bright, clear, colorful scenes to sell you the TV.
No point buying a nice TV to literally stare at for hours if you’re going to castrate the picture quality. This is where small energy savings undermines the viewing experience.
The energy setting on my coffee maker drives me crazy. It turns off after 1 minute. I can't make my coffee in one minute. Not to get political, but there was a president who said in a speech he was going to get rid of all this idiocy - I would vote for him simply on that. I want the steam coming out of my dishwasher again and it washing dishes in 1/2 hr ago again, like it used to 25 years ago.
@@libertytree3209 Yeah, dishwashers at higher temperatures wash three-times quicker and clean better too, that's why I always wash mine at 60 degrees.
@@libertytree3209 didn't try very hard not to get political. If that's even meant for energy savings, it's done poorly that's on the manufacturer not regulations. I have a fairly new coffee maker it's stays on for probably 20 minutes to half hour, which is fine, better to have cold coffee then burnt coffee. Looks like they nailed it on the time because it's just starting to get overcooked when it shuts off. If we can't agree on hot coffee that's not burnt without getting into political branding, there's not much hope.
Castrate? It's a subtle difference.
@@libertytree3209 You're confusing bad design with bad politics. No regulation is the reason for your coffee machine being like that get a better coffee machine. You jumped at the chance to shove your politics in a discussion where it is irrelevent.
On Philips you can can also find light sensor in pictures settings,
Frequent settings> picture> advanced> contrast, light sensor is just above gamma.
OMG!!! You just showed me the holy grail!! I'm not kidding. I just turned off energy settings and WOW!!!!!!! There is so much more color and the shadows look way better now. Way more contrast. I thought the picture looked really good before, but now that the energy saving is off, it's amazing!!! It only added 2 more watts of power consumption too!!! Thank you!!!!!
Are you F****** kidding me, I had my Samsung 4k TV for the last year and never realized "Ambiant" mode was a thing, turned it off after seeing this vid and now my gaming looks so much better, I love you HDTVTest :)
Thank you so much for advising me of this as I’ve been watching my LG C9 for two years with this dim picture!
15 now seems so bright and wonderful! Thank you again 😊
@Colin Bigsy: Glad to hear this video helped... enjoy! :-)
I have a Samsung Q90R in a very bright room. If I have the same brightness set at night time my retinas burn out. So I use this mechanism to automatically lower the brightness at night. A key point with this Samsung is that it lets you set a minimum brightness that it will never go below, this avoids the issues you describe here.
that's why you should have gotten a Sony. Samsung over-brightens the image - it is well known. my Sony Z9J has 2400 nits measured brightness and i can run it at full brightness at night with sensor disabled and it isn't too bright simply because Sony doesn't automatically boost brightness. On other hand if i accidentally switch input to a PC showing a web page with a white background i will literally fall over in my seat because it's like getting smashed in the face with a baseball bat - brightness on a white page is shocking - but on a well graded movie it's not excessive at all. i had exchanged QN800A for a Z9J and despite having 50% more brightness capability the Z9J looks much darker in most scenes because it is accurate - night scenes look as dark as night should look - whereas on the QN800A it made night scene in "Dune" look like twilight for example ... if all your TVs are Samsung you will never even know those "twilight" scenes were actually night scenes. There are many settings that affect brightness ... i turn off all the settings that artificially boost brightness and turn contrast down as well ... then i turn off light sensor and max out the actual "brightness" setting ... in the end i get a picture that simply has more depth and realism. what your TV is doing is first it artificially boosts midtones then turns down the backlight - it may save you maybe 20 bucks over lifetime of TV in energy bills but you probably didn't get a top of the line TV to save money and you aren't getting the best picture.
@@g1981c the mistake you're making is turning contrast down.
LG also has a minimum brightness setting.
@@g1981c Are you aware of the Windows' HDR/SDR brightness balance setting?
I do the same and I think blindly telling this setting "hurts" image borders disinformation territory. It has its uses (and I definitely use it). I wouldn't recommend it for HDR though, as HDR is graded for maximum brightness in a dark room anyway.
GREAT Tips.... I have a Samsung UN50TU7000 - and I did have to turn off each of the settings you mentioned in your video...I would have never realized to make those changes had you not mentioned it...so THANKS. Also, I find your videos much more beneficial to me when you provide easy to understand information in 25 minutes or less. It beats having to wait 3 hours+ which some of the channels feel are interesting and helpful...The truth is I don't have 3+ hours to listen to this posting... Thanks for being very professional on your channel.
But keep track of your eye comfort - if the brightness in your room changes dramatically, then watching a TV that's twice as bright as it needs to be is going to be much more fatiguing (not just twice).
Also keep in mind that as TVs get larger, overall luminance goes up. Think of it as follows - the 55 inch has 1 light bulb, the 77 inch which is twice as large has 2 light bulbs.
Essentially, if your room is dark (say 5 lux) and you crank your TV to 1,000 nits, your contrast will be 1000/5 which is 200. The torture will be so severe that eventually you will start confessing to crimes you have not committed 😀 It's what the CIA does now - they turn off the light sensor and lock you up with a super bright LED TV. They make you binge watch really bright content until you spill the beans.
If you use your OLED TV as a monitor like I do, this setting makes sense. I tried using it for a day with the Energy Savings OFF and my eyes would just hurt at the end of the day. Putting it on medium settings helps out a lot. Nothing to do with power savings, I just find it sensible. When I watch movies, I turn it off.
To each their own, I like the ambient sensor. Nothing to do with power savings. It's just easier on the eyes to dim a screen at night with lower level lighting. Staring at a bright screen can be harsh on the eyes in a darker room. Same reason why I adjust phone screen brightness, in broad daylight outdoors it needs to be brighter or the screen is dim and washed out. At night it's far too bright and dimming it makes it easier to view vs the stark contrast.
But your phone isn't trying to give you exactly what the filmmaker was trying to create. That's why dimming the screen is dumb. You can switch to dark room mode and then you view it without hurting your eyes. At no point should you be close enough to your TV to hurt your eyes though.
You are very wrong. A tv works differently. Watch an HDR movie on an oled tv in a dark room with this power saving feature and then turn it off. If you prefer the former version then your eyes have a problem
@@danielkissgremsperger3242 of course it would look better but some people are sensitive to brightness and just want a dimmer picture to relax and watch.
Get a backlight. You can then have the dark room and a bright picture without the big contrast difference between a bright screen and a dark room.
I've been using Sony TVs for so long I never knew the ambient light sensor option was this convoluted with other manufacturers. I like the option as it auto adjust brightness level. I do turn it off when watching a movie, but leave it on for casual viewing.
Agreed, the A80J is too bright with it turned off in a dark room. The only SAF level is medium brightness/light sensor on.
Same here. I used to turn off Light Sensor on my now 20 years old 40” LCD Bravia most of the time. However I am reluctant to turn it off on 1 year old 65” A8 Bravia OLED. It looks nice with the LS ON, the HDR works great. And what is most important and not addressed in the video - perhaps? can accelerate burn-in on OLED as it is related to brightness. I am no expert on TVs but I heard that one of the anti-burn-in is to dim the constant bright logos.
Exactly, ever since I switched to LED I keep the light sensor on. It makes it brighter during the day and makes it comfortable to watch TV in the evening.
@@yourobson While you are on the right path.. it would also be like keeping the plastic cover on a velvet seat to avoid wear.
wOled is already running at a loss regarding HDR reference by 300nits..
My question is.. at which point are you going to use the TV as intended?
@@absolutium It isn't like leaving a plastic cover on a valvet seat. Not even close. The differences shown in this video are subtle while plastic feels A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT to valvet.
I have owned so many high end TV's over the years and not a single brand or model or screen technology has correctly adjusted for ambient room light. CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT are my favorite workaround.
This is where we've come - saving energy no matter the cost.
Matt Vickers is the kind of guy who expects his wife’s boyfriend to just tell him what to do rather than be given information and then make a decision based on the information. Your videos are fine. Take this one for example. You point out there is a feature impacting picture quality in a separate section. Once a person knows that and how it impacts the picture, they are no longer having information kept from them based on political agendas and can then make an honest and complete decision on how to watch their tv. Thank you for the information.
Stumbled upon this video... Actually I was struggling with the screen always being too dark while watching in the evening in dim conditions. And I don't recall this being the case before, so this must have sneaked in with some firmware upgrade. That corrected it! Big thanks!
Panasonic and Sony are the champions of simplicity and transparency. The setting is right there, not buried under levels and levels of menus.
Can't argue that. The previous lg web os was great. The latest (c1, c2) is clunky trash.
LG is way simpler than my current Philips 58PUS8535
TO a lot of things done in Philips you have to dig through two or three sub menus. they have a few settings in frequent settings but 90% of the frequent settings are not any settings I need to use😂
I had an lg for two and a half years and it was much easier but when setting picture settings I always had to go all the way down to the bottom to set for all sources which was annoying
I have an older Sony Bravia smart TV with Power Saving and Light Sensor turned off by default. I had heard about this hidden setting recently, and what difference it makes when either, and especially both, of these options is turned on. More people really need to know about this.
You are one of the smartest individuals on RUclips with technology with televisions I've never seen so much in-depth knowledge about TVs I would definitely give you a 5-star out of a five-star I have been with this channel for over a year and I continue to love your videos keep them up. Maybe you could do a video on which is the cheapest 55in TV in the United States that LG makes that is halfway decent
Your advices are to the point and extremely helpful.
Great that you're highlighting the energy consumption. It would be great if you could include such measurements when comparing TVs as there are surely differences even when calibrated. An efficient TV should present an accurate picture and punchy picture with low energy consumption. I'm very curious about the efficiency of WRGB vs QD OLED, for example.
You need luminosity that means power for HDR 10 or Dolby Vision! There is no low energy consumption when going for the best picture quality. I dont care about energy saving, my 55" OLED doesn't consume much in its brightest settings, my TV its efficient with the energy consumption it needs not with the lowest energy consumption you can have.
@@FREEDOMCONSERVATION LEDs are different. They have different efficiency (nits or lumen per Watt). Plus, the structure of the TV panel alters the light output of the LED per Watt.
@@isak6626 are you talking about LEDs like in LCD TVs or organic LEDs like in OLED? I didnt even thought about LCDs because you cant get an accurate picture on an LCD, the low contrast and the blooming on LCDs make those TVs something of a past. The WOLED, the QD OLED and in the future the micro LED, this are the TVs that can get you the best picture.
@@FREEDOMCONSERVATION all light emitting devices. The conversion rate of electricity into light differs. Efficiency improvements is exactly what LG has done over the past years to allow for higher light output without higher energy use.
@@isak6626 you guys need to get a life
This isn't as big of a deal if you're leaving most of the TV settings as standard factory settings. If you're a tinkerer and calibrate your TV's this setting does do quite a bit of harm as most TV factory settings are far too bright for optimal picture quality to show well in bright store showroom floors and 'pop' in homes where there's tons of ambient light. But once you start going for a specific white intensity and going for 2.2 gamma you need to turn off all the auto sensing energy settings off. Including the eco zone dimming on many LG panels which literally turn off the backlight to get better blacks in very dark scenes (dimly lit bar or space or similar)
Thank you for this advise, paused and went into my tv setting, and turn it off, there's really a difference in picture quality image!!
Yes, indeed, it really look different now!!
Hey Vince, why don't you do a video about calibrating the C1 and CX for BFI (since BFI causes some dimming and therefore black crush)?
It’s just dimming, not local dimming. Local dimming is tv feature.
@@VincentVanBro You’re right. I edited the message. Ty
@UCdaP2H0QzQdupmqcB-BIp2Q Local dimming is LCD FALD backlight tv feature..
Dimming doesn't cause black crush. It may seem like it, if you have too much lights on. In total darkness it can't cause black crush.
@@VincentVanBro Also, Vince, you could also compare CX vs C1 vs C2 BFI (John Linneman from Digital Foundry said it’s gotten worse on the C1, and way worse on the C2)
@@alessandrob.g.4524 120hz bfi on the c1 is still identical to the cx. 60hz bfi's behavior has been changed. It only interests one black frame(8ms persistence instead of 4ms persistence at 60hz). At 120hz it's still 4ms persistence on both. Though it's not all bad. The c1 ends up being significantly brighter than the cx with bfi on.
For bfi you can use 2.2 gamma and umm that one white setting in the game optimizer menu at 11. Black at 9.
Thanks for using a wattmeter ... easy to understand and eye-opening results.
It worked! I had to hunt around for quite awhile, but I found the right menu items, buried way down in the sub-headings. Thanks!
Thank you, I just bought a new LG (my 14 year old Panasonic Plasma's beautiful picture finally died) and stumbled across your video on the "secret" setting. Thanks so much! Really helpful, I liked, and subscribed.
Thank you, I was drinking too much tea, that solves my issue completely, I will drop a like
The difference in power consumption is minimal as you would expect from LED bulbs. Even with energy costs at a record high, I am still sticking with the setting to OFF. My old LG 42" has an Eco button on the remote, so it is even easier to control.
Minimal ? My 55" LED bachlight LCD use 40w at the reduced baclight setting I find confertable to not hurt my eyes... At full setting it uses 130W and is to brigth that it is painfull, that is not minimal power saving...
Awesome thank you some shows were too dark in some scenes appreciate your help
Wow. I did this and immediately saw the brightness increase. I mean instantly. And I already thought this LG was the best, brightest, clearest TV I've ever seen. Thanks!!
PS, I have a solar home, so no impact to the environment for us : ) Just a better viewing experience. So stoked.
@scottyplug: Glad to hear you found this video useful. Enjoy! :-)
Hi Vincent. Is this the same with the CX? If so what settings do you advise? The menu is different
I know this video is 6 months old, but this was incredibly helpful information. And what it really tells me about TV companies is that their energy saving modes are doing the absolute bare minimum of what's asked of them by regulation. I feel like they could come up with an efficient energy saving practice if they really thought about it, but light diming seems to be all they want to do. Thanks again.
..... love the batteries you use for the big wallclock. Hopefully also for every remote in the house. I placed some in my emergency flashlight, using it verry rare times, but with this batteries it work 100%. No leaking.
Thanks for this because it's been niggling me for ages how the brightness of my screen changes all the time and I couldn't figure out what was causing it. This was a big concern because I use my LG C10 OLED as a computer monitor and sometimes edit photos and videos. You've made my day 😃
P.S. my computer draws nearly 700 Watts sometimes so I'm not bothered about 5-6 extra, oh and I use a whistling gas kettle 🤣
That 7th word both got me lost and in multiple emotions within seconds, Went to look it up after
Bro who cares what they accuse you off, jealousy is a terrible thing to have, your a great reviewer I have always trusted you for a while, good video as always 👍🇬🇧
I’ve come to learn that any “energy saving” feature on any device should be turned off so that it doesn’t affect your aggravation setting.
I've known about that setting since it was introduced and always turn it off and anything else related as well. And your right it's default setting is on. Some sets actually look OK with it on but still look even better with it off.
I learned a bunch in this video. Thanks man
Ambient light sensors are useful sometimes, but they also are very stupid sometimes.
I had some LED lights that were messing with the ambient light sensor. I'm assuming the PWM of the lights meant the sensor was seeing the light only part of the time. So the TV decided to pulse from its highest brightness to lowest brightness and back, about twice a minute.
"Ambient light sensors are useful sometimes"... I have a Sony XG95. Even at the lowest Brightness setting, my eyes burn at night. Turning on Ambient Sensor lowers the brightness further and makes it comfortable. It's also great during daytime because the same brightness setting can be permanently the same value 24/7, and the TV will auto-brighten itself during the day. I have compared on vs off. There's no picture quality or color difference apart from the brightness. Which adjusts itself perfectly. I am keeping my Ambient Sensor ON. But perhaps Sony is the only brand with a good implementation.
two thumbs up for actually showing the wattage difference between settings just to pre-empt complaints. good to know an actual measured value. 👍👍
Thank you so much. Followed your instructions on a Samsung TV and it worked. Great video!
Vincent! I can't thank you enough for this. There really was a huge difference.
@Lesevesel: Glad you found this video useful... enjoy! :-)
every company has their own sneaky ways of making sure people don't actually do this ( disable energy saving ) ... for example with my current Sony Z9J wnen you turn ambient light sensor off the picture doesn't brighten up so my first reaction was to turn it back on ... it's only later that i realized it takes a long time for the picture brightness to increase and the increase is gradual and slow but after maybe 15 seconds or so the difference in brightness is massive ... i think Sony did this to confuse people so that they keep the ambient light sensor on ... most people will not wait 15 seconds - they will flip the setting - see no difference - and flip it back. and with the Samsung i had before if i remember correctly it had multiple settings in different menus so it had separate light sensor and separate energy saving settings and even within energy saving it had multiple menu items as well ... they really just hope you will not be able to figure out how to turn all of those fucking settings off.
They're not doing the 15 second change on purpose, its coded in their software to not make instant changes but gradual ones for brightness changes to allow our eyes to adjust
I don't think this setting works the same for Panasonic as for LG. At least in the case of my HZ1000, enabling the ambient sensor NEVER made the picture look darker than the 'original' one. It was either exactly the same (while in a dark room) or brighter (while in a bright room), so this implementation seems superior to me. That's probably also the reason why there's a separate energy saving setting.
Panasonic TVs are magical....they are really great
Thank you! I just got a new TV and LG actually and I could not figure out where the energy saving was. Thank you so much.
U r the best....love learning different things from u....thank u
I noticed this many years ago on computer monitors. I have always gone into the settings of all my monitors and TVs to turn off these "eco-mode" settings. With the amount of time in front of a PC screen, I would be more concerned about the problems with eye strain by using eco-mode rather than a few watts for each hour
Anything that gives the consumer more control over the product is good information. My vision must be sensitive because when I'm visiting my friends, their televisions always look too bright and over saturated with color. Keeping the brightness and color down gives a more realistic picture, at least with my eyes. I also keep my cellphone on the night setting. It seems to be easier on my eyes having white text against a black background than the other way around. I can quickly switch it back outside but I rarely use my cellphone outside.
its cause people use the vivid setting which blows saturation up big time
We use the "Energy Saver" as just another "Brightness Control." We find it totally unnecessary to watch regular television with the bright levels all the way up. But, instead of adjusting the "Brightness," we just dim the screen, using the ""Energy Saver." Dimming the screen also saves the pixels by extending their life, and preserving them for 4K films. Changing the "Energy Saver," does save energy and preserves the pixels for movies, rather than wasting them on everyday broadcasting. Some broadcast channels do not broadcast in high definition, and keeping them at the brightest levels is annoying. We adjust as we go, and find our viewing experience incredibly satisfying.
I tried this. It worked great! Thanks!
Out of the box, LG‘s light sensor does not affect HDR/ Dolby Vision. It only affects SDR. Once you turn it off and on again, it will start affecting SDR as well as HDR. This can only be reverted by performing a factory reset. This really sucks as there is no easy way to use the benefits of the light sensor only for SDR (adapting the TV‘s brightness to the room‘s conditions for SDR while being able to have an appropriate base setting for a dark room) since there is no way to adjust OLED light out of the box to raise the minimum luminance while the light sensor is enabled. I had to use Calman‘s direct display controls to raise OLED light without turning off the light sensor.
LG‘s light sensor implementation is just extremely flawed. You can only manage to set up your TV to use the light sensor only for SDR while having around 120 nits and correct gamma tracking in a dark room and more brightness in a bright room without having to switch picture mode via direct display control. That’s much easier to achieve on Panasonic TV‘s without any „external“ solution and lots of tinkering.
Ive this issue on my c1, that is why I use auto. Playing Switch during the day is fine and at bight also fine, the issue strikes when turning OFF and then at night the tv send a lot of brithness that hurts my eyes..
The joke... on Samsung TVs this works for SDR and HDR separate. So if the King of Bugs Samsung can do it, LG should also able to fix it. Go write LG. Now.
On my 2017 uj6500 series TV the default behavior can be restored by doing an a/v reset only, full factory reset not necessary. On live TV or HDMI input, hit the mute button 3 times and you should get
a menu where you select the reset.
On my TV, when this is reset (same as the factory settting) the energy savings mode
is active for SDR (with the ambient light sensor) but turned to "off" for HDR (no ABS).
This is unexcusably flawed software design.
For technology geeks such as Vincent, me and alike, one of the most important motivations for updating for a newer TV is to enjoy its state-of-the-art picture quality as much as possible. Any settings for tuning the performance are towards this goal and what Vincent have been trying to recommend all these years. But such a requirement is obviously not shared with environmentalists, nor is Vincent's smart and rigorous technical advice.
You would be stunned at how much energy is wasted by cities compared to everyday consumers and how much is wasted by power companies themselves.
Vincent describes himself as an environmentalist in this very video.
@@BassLiberators And this is exactly why this video is unnecessary and just a totally compelled posture for reconciliation. He did nothing wrong to promote technical advantages and there was totally nothing for him to explain for this.
Vincent gave power #s, and the differences were pretty small. The standard and goal for viewing movies - art - should be closest match to the creator’s intent. So try and match SMPTE standards for color, brightness, contrast. Or gor UHDTV, the UHD Alliance has been useful. Joe Kane’s Digital Video Essentials is a useful start.
@@DavidAReisner The artform of movies isn't necessarily the best thing to use when checking picture quality. The artform of games I'd say is better because they aren't prerendered they are rending in real time so when you're in a dark shadowey area it's much more noticeable.
Thanks so much, my TV was always a little dark and now is like a new TV!!
05:45 You convinced me with the “drink less tea” solution. Cheers! Very interesting presentation.
On any device, this is the first thing I literally turn off if i see it on "auto" or "on". Like there's just so much missconception and missleading provided by the eco mode description or lack of to be more precise.
Nowhere does it say it DEGRADES and SEVERELY ALTERS the user experience with such setting on because it SEVERELY limits the device because of electricity savings. It just says "saves energy".
For telys it should say the picture will be innacurate and considerably less bright and should be used in specific circumstances where TV is needed to be operational but picture quality is not important in order to be more energy efficient... etc.
These are my own wattage used in "optimal" vs "eco." Here's the details
- 75" Sony A80J OLED in dark room, displaying static image (paused at ruclips.net/video/kjeHTrsShzs/видео.html).
- Brightness Min, Power saving High, light sensor on in dark room - 87W
- Brightness 25, Power saving low, light sensor on in dark room - 110W
- Brightness 25, Power saving low, light sensor off in dark room - 125W
- Brightness Max, Power saving low, light sensor on in dark room - 143W
- Brightness Max, Power saving low, light sensor off in dark room - 169W
- Brightness Max, Power saving off, light sensor off in dark room - 207W
Do I crank the brightness during a good movie, yes, do I do it while watching random shows, no. I'm usually at the 110W level, but for movies, 169W level, a difference of 59W. And no, I'm drinking less coffee to compensate, lol
EU regulation is 130 Watt max for 2023 (75inch models)
I was going to call BS on this, but before I went to my living room TV and... you are absolutely right! Thank you!
@Synaptic Schism: Glad you found this video useful... enjoy! :-)
10 minutes for a 30 second fix, dropping this channel
Being able to map max energy saving features to a single button and also turn them all off - with a single button would be very useful - but with image pre-sets that were able to be linked to having it on or off by setting that would b kind handy - you don't need high power consumption when watching the news after all... but then I guess it's just as easy to have a smaller TV near by for less crucial viewing like that.
I'm glad that news about people getting killed, mutilated or abused is less crucial to you than movies about people getting killed, mutilated or abused.
@@Ndlanding im glad numbskulls like you exist, so the rest of us can point and laugh
@@Ndlanding the news is sensationalized trash
Yeah, I might actually enable it sometimes if it was a one-button press away.
When I watch my C8 I turn energy saving off, then back on when the kids hog the TV for 99% of the day - seems fair to me 😁
Edit - drink less tea?🧐 (Splurts tea all over the room) 😆
Useful info I'll definitely look into it
Thank you for sharing this. I will check our televisions today.