Wow! I had no idea so many people preferred motion smoothing! Keep the comments coming! Also: do you prefer the way a movie looks at the theater, or on your TV at home? Let us know!
I know right.? Lol, I saw that back when I reviewed the Samsung KS8000, I love going to the movies for the big experience, especially the Dolby theater, the sound and picture is amazing but I also do enjoy the comfort and the projector I have at home.
I get it’s know as the soap opera effect... but I see it as if you are watching a movie through a window more realistic and immersive I feel like I’m there... but to each their own. Lol
Proper motion smoothing makes a movie pop, thats why even LG started including it in their Movie Picture Settings. I hate the Judder & Choppiness you get especially with an OLED that needs the help. For me a Calibration is just the start...then you start learning what the featured do on your expensive tv. I stopped listening to all the purists when I played around and saw the improvement with my own eyes. Calibrators will tell you that isn't the directors intent. Some died before my tv was even made... But regardless, if they wanted it to look bad in motion....i do not!
I’m with you guys. I’ve absolutely no idea what this stuff is. I turn on the TV, watch stuff then turn it off. Until I watched this I had no idea I was doing it all wrong. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, I like to think I know what what I am doing & understanding so I start digging in. Then all of a sudden my wife is like ( What are you doing ? ) by then I am like, trying to make the TV look better. then she is like ( ok sure ) now my shit is all messed up I have all the settings all over the place. arrhhhgggg!!!!!
@@tankbulldogge8639, that's a good & funny story. In settings, you can just reset it to default and that will remove all evidence that you messed it up, -:)
I have an LG 42" that we bought many years ago. I wasn't happy with it but I was the only one in my family that was having issues with the TV until after a few years of dealing with it I learned about True Motion. I turned it off and it was like watching a totally different TV and a more enjoyable experience.
Been watching a lot of your videos, and several other youtubers in my quest for a new TV. I just got my A80J Wednesday and the first thing I noticed was how many things I watched looked choppy. After messing with motion settings and turning this setting up my eyes were suddenly pleased by the smoothness of the picture, which finally proved what all the reviewers said about how good Sony is at motion.. Today the youtube algorithm presented me with this video and I am pleased to see I am not alone in the comments that many people also feel the keeping motion settings on or cranked up takes away the distraction of choppiness. I get why you would turn this off for performance testing, but when it comes down to relaxing and watching TV. I want to be immersed and not distracted by these types of issues. I want my TV to look good to my eyes and not a single one of my friends or family will ever notice how much of a purest I am when it comes to TV settings. I use these videos to help me understand the upsides and downsides of these settings and what they do, then try them for myself to decide what stays or goes.
They are a really good inspiration … but what they miss is a key factor … personal preference and individual perception … most ‚perfect‘ settings I changed straight away … and my TV Service Team stopped offering high end calibration services as the response from many customers came … brilliant perfect settings, but I do not like it … I prefer smoothness on and some reality creation on as well on my 83“ A90J … looks so much better and soap opera effect it does hardly produce … to get this you need to mess around hard with the settings. In the end perfect is the way we like it … and this only we can calibrate … inspired by such clips here …
I didn't understand most of what you said, but, you must be a good teacher because I'm going to ask my son to change my picture settings just like you said. Thanks,
I really like your content, find it extremely helpful. One recommendation - recap your points at the end with specific settings. Like some of your other content, I had to watch this 5 times to understand what exact settings you were talking about and then find them on my TV. I'm likely not the only one, but I tend to flip through videos pretty quick, trying to get to the main points. Not trying to be an annoying critic - I really like your stuff - just think this would be extremely helpful for many of us.
I would really like to see the review process. It would also be helpful if you could list the settings in the comments section that you select for the reviewed TVs.
I agree👍 It's very much a personal choice but personally I don't like 24fps, it's blurry choppy and in some scenes - down right ruins the viewing experience. It feels that we're being *told* that 24fps is best for cinema...unfortunately not for me.
I used to always cut off motion smoothing completely off in the past. Since I got a TCL 65R655 very recently, however, I do like keeping motion smoothing set to low when watching movies. When I use the low motion smoothing setting in conjuction with HDR/Dolby Vision dark, it removes judder without making anything look unnatural to my eyes. When I turn the motion smoothing off completely, the 24p judder is just too noticeable particularly during panning shots.
I would like to see you calibrate budget TVs. I agree with you when you said in previous videos that people who buy budget TVs are unlikely to pay for calibration, but I think it would be useful for people to know things such as the differences in SDR and HDR peak brightness between budget, mid-range and high-end TVs.
I agree. I have a $350 Hisense and it doesn't have some of the features this guy is talking about. I don't even have the "smoothing effect" or " soap opera effect"... I just want a true HD look on all my channels.
@@George196207 Isn't that the truth. On another note, two movies were made using Vista Vision. One being The Searchers with John Wayne. I have an old, failed Samsung design and no real HD or UHD cables but yet, you can almost count the grains of sand on the ground. So why do I need a $3000+ TV? That's the question that I've been battling myself over.
Whether if I'm watching on my inexpensive bedroom TV or on my living room OLED TV, watching movie nowadays... especially original content movies on the streaming platforms with it's out of focus backgrounds and blurry edges. As soon as I identify it I'm immediately aware the actors are standing in front of a green screen which immediately distances me from the movie. Thank god I've got music to fall back on 😊
Caleb, Planning on getting the S90c, and connecting a new firestick. Is this counterproductive???Wish you’d do a video on the topic using these type of devices with top line OLED TVs” Which are the best as far as are they getting the most out of sound/pic quality or hindering the experience?
I love motion smoothing. Looks even more true to life. I don't know about y'all, but I don't see my life in frames. Looks so much better, almost like looking through an open window.
Before I got a new TV I was 110% sure motion smoothing was evil and deplorable (exaggerating of course). But after using it for just a day, I’m finding I have a hard time enjoying 24fps content without at least some smoothing. The choppiness is just an eye-sore a lot of the time.
I agree👍 It's very much a personal choice but personally I don't like 24fps, it's blurry choppy and in some scenes - down right ruins the viewing experience. It feels that we're being *told* that 24fps is best for cinema...unfortunately not for me.
24fps was a compromise in the infancy of the movie industry for the equipment of the time. Liking it nowadays is like lighting your home with candles - it brings a feeling of nostalgia. Black and white movies were also an early limitation so should we turn off color?
I used to hate motion smoothing, however with new TVs (at least with Sony), I feel the technology has advanced enough for it to actually be an enhancement, at least in the 'Low' setting.
I was a TV man back in the late 70's early 80's. The soaps were great for TV setup. Once leaving TV service for computer service I was addicted to the ABC daytime line up. I had two Sony AV-3600 VTRs cascaded to to record Ryan's Hope, Once Life to Live & half of General Hospital. It quickly became apparent that this was to much TV to catch up on over the weekend.
6500 isn't 'warmer'. I don't understand where that comes from. The sun is 5800K, Daylight film and practical 'standard white' on Earth outside in our atmosphere (as opposed to the vacuum of outer space) on a typical sunny day is about 5500K. 'Warm' is anything below this, with standard old school 100watt bulbs being about 2700K. (the old movie Tungsten film standard was 3200K. I shot a lot of still film 35mm to 8x10 transparency, but because my Minolta lightmeter had a standardized 'distortion' this always showed up as 2900K on it.) Video has always been 'cooler.' There's nothing wrong with 6500, but cooler TV (old school and flat screen) colors is why screens always stand out in most rooms. I've been proposing a Turning Monitor Test in which a TV monitor placed next to a window is indistinguishable from the 'real' view. Of course that doesn't mean it will be 'better.' It's just a nearly impossible standard to meet. (Movies, theater and on screens is a distorted heightened reality, like acting. What's the difference between an actor and someone you've lived with for years? The actor will almost always project what their character is feeling emotionally. Good luck getting that out of your partner. Wait did I just say something wrong?) Will I now set my TV to 6500? It's probably already there, but I'll check. My flat screen is the dominant source of color information in the room I screen in, so seems absolutely reasonable. The other two things? I'm a bit vague about them. I guess I'm that old school. I know something about bothe topics but not in the way they were discussed. I do remember seeing Douglas Trumbell's 60fps movies in Las Vegas. Really interesting but gave me a screaming migraine. (I got a lot of those anyway so the film projecting might've just exacerbated it.) Would I follow the recommendations? Baring any experimenting or other information I would. The 5800K is the temperature of our Sun's photosphere - outermost layer that lights up our planet. If you heated metal up to that temperature it would have that same color. (So what color is our sun? To us it is white, but most of the time it's too bright to look at, at dawn and dusk it looks yellow) If you have one of those temperature 'guns' point it at a clear deep blue sky - you'll be very surprised at the temperature.
I actually like the soap-opera effect. 24 Frames should die. Therefor I like the Hobbit 48 FPS effect (but not the story). I Wish more movies and TV series were shot in 60 FPS.
I am there with you on that!! Why does anyone care about 24p and cinematic or what not? It just takes me out of the experience. I want to be immersed in that movie, it should be shot in 60 fps.
No, but I use closed caption, which also oddly adds in stuff at least on Netflix shows. For instance, on one show the closed captioning stated that a person was hearing whispers even though there was no audible whispering. However the technology does exist which is used in the music industry to isolate and sometimes remove "tracks." That's how RUclipsrs can sing a song or play an instrument to a backing track that has that key detail missing from the original. As far as I know, that technology doesn't work in real time.
On some streaming services there are settings for that you should check out. HBO Max for example has a "night mode" that mixes the audio better for night time so you don't have to get your eardrums blasted by louder sound effects or music. Try also seeing if, on Netflix for example this is a big issue, you're streaming isn't defaulting to 5.1 surround sound audio when you maybe don't have that set up in your house. That can be a huge help for hearing dialogue and such mixed better, because it's entirely possible the dialogue is mixed really well for 5.1 audio setups but isn't coming through as clear condensed into your TV speakers. I find playing around with audio settings whether it's on your TV's settings menu, my Playstation's audio options (switching to Bitstream), or finding the settings in the streaming service I'm using can go a long way to having much better at home audio mixing.
22 years as a motion picture projectionist, running 35mm and 70mm prints at 24fps, and I can say without hesitation that I'll take high frame rates any day of the week. 24fps was the standard because the entire film industry was set up for it originally. We are now free of that limitation thanks to the industry going all digital, but for whatever reason, Hollywood insists on keeping the look of a technologically inferior process. Film was a magnificent medium, but the relatively low frame rate (actually 48 images per second, because shutters are double-bladed) was for backwards compatability. If the scene is lit properly, and the DoP understands what they're doing, it can be incredibly immersive (Douglas Trumbull's Showscan process was magnificent, for example). I have a 120 Hz OLED and I'll take as much smoothing as I can get.
Same way they now can't turn down the music sound track to be lower than the dialogue ! Incompetent sound tech or just trying hard as hell to sell the crap music they blast over the actors .
24fps in movies is also because editing, not just tradition. it's easier to edit individual frames when there are less of them. so we stick with the least fps possible while it's high enough to maintain a convincing sense of motion
You are confusing this setting. If the movie is filmed in 60fps then it’s great to watch. But we are talking about smoothing of a picture that was originally 24fps and make it 30 or 60fps. It will look unnatural and wrong. If you have a 60fps movie on a 60fps tv then you don’t need any smoothing again. It’s always a useless setting that needs to be off
This is a great introduction to a series. One thing I might suggest, and maybe something to go along with your behind the scenes, is to be more specific about _exactly_ what settings you're recommending changing. I'm sure it's second nature to you at this point, you've been deep in the settings trees of a hundred TVs, maybe a thousand times. Most folks (or at least I) don't have nearly that familiarity, even with our own TV sets. Whizzing through the settings in this video, I can't even tell which settings examples are from an LG TV (my own TV brand) vs. the others. I can never remember what LG's proprietary motion smoothing setting is called, or what all of the different levels mean or do. You've _forgotten_ more about TV settings than most of us will ever know. So, when making recommendations, it's worth being _very_ clear, at least for the top TV brands. Or at least slowing down the action and cuts in your video, so we can see what you're doing. You obviously can't do it for every single TV brand and model, but when there's commonalities across models within a brand, or maybe for the top rated or top selling models, it would be really valuable. Thanks!
Absolutely. A full hr of setup, including 7.1 surround, would be amazing. Covering everything: placement, color calibration, killing pre-sets, trade-offs (e.g. motion blur vs. sharpness), setting up sound NOT With my receiver instructions, maybe even saving 2 settings -- one for sports, one for movies; one for day, one for night, one for yourself, and a super-bright one for morons, etc. Finally, motion smoothing is death. But so is jitter and judder. I always turn motion control off, but too many tvs still struggle with interpolation and motion. I find myself battling the deep recesses color and white color in order to make up for the necessary oversaturation and contrast. I will say,, it's fun to stay up late when visiting my parents, adjusting all the settings,, and seeing how long it takes one of them to say 'they must have updated our software again, because this looks great.' As in, blacks and whites suddenly have wrinkles. Definitely the Bold and the Beautiful, for me.
I wonder what this is useful for … its also about personal preference and subjective perception … a lot of ‚best settings‘ recommendations look awful … I had TV s professionally calibrated … it just did not fit with the way I and many people subjectively like it … my TV Team stopped offering a high end calibration service as subjectively too many people feel differently … so working this out yourself with some inspiration is the best way forward. I tried it with family and friends and the ‚best settings‘ for the individual TV often led to the result ‚who messed up the TV settings‘. Especially switching smoothing and reality creation off led to protests. Has nothing to do with morons but that everybody perceives it differently based on personal liking and a different perception.
@@GanymedeXD nah. Just nah. Morons 100% If they had a single clue about the technical aspects.. they would change.... Like we all do .. when we learn something deeper about a subject.
What about personal preference? Personally, I prefer a cooler picture, as it tends to make colours look brighter, and whites whiter. Warm pictures make whites look peachy, and colours look muddy, like an old school cine effect. So I will stick to my preference.
I just tested my new Samsung TV Q60A as I watched "Back To The Future". I turned off the motion smoothing, a few minutes later I turned it on. And, wow! I prefer the motion smoothing ten times more, you could see the finest of details, like when Lorraine stepped back from kissing Marty, you could see the subtle blush points on her collar bone. I haven't seen any other movies yet, I just bought the TV, but I prefer keeping it on for all programs as of now.
I know motion smoothing is bad, but when I see juddering or image blur, I try to split the difference with the custom motion smoothing. It’s low, but at least the people and objects moving don’t look like there are leaving a trail. Is there other ways to circumvent juddering?
Something happened to my relatively cheap $248. but just 6 month old bedroom VIZIO TV. The screen had bands of light,, white vertically anywhere there's white in the picture. Could it have happened from a lightening storm or something? I'm not sure, I don't often watch it. Anyway, changing my picture settings really helped taking my screen from barely not being able to see my picture clearly to absolutely being able to enjoy watching it. I mainly use this for watching as I dress, clean my bedroom or bath, catching the news, etc. so really not worth the expense of hiring a repair person or replacing it. Thank you so much!!
absolutely LOVE motion smoothing. never even remotely considered buying a tv until the technology was made available in 2008. i will never go back to cinematic.
When the 4:33 mark hit, you know everyone that used to get down on some Young and Restless when they go visit grandma was like "DUDE Victor is still alive!!!"
I feel like a lot of people have written motion smoothing off because their experience is based off it's initial technology and they've been screaming from rooftops on how bad it is to this day, technology has improved so give it a chance cause I actually love it.
By unreal, I hope you mean, made the movie look super unrealistic, suspension of disbelief goes out the window, you can literally see each special effect, because movies aren't meant to be played like soap operas or like your iPhone videos.
@@SuperSy99 So we deteriorate the fps to a point where we can barely make out what is happening in fast-paced scenes? If we adjusted recording techniques and post-processing to suit higher frame rate capture then it wouldn't look like it was shot on a phone or behind the scenes. The fact that you associate higher frame rates with amateur recording is a symptom of your conditioning which is a result of, ironically, low industry standards, as well as tradition.
Funnily enough, when I follow guides like this, tailored to my specific tv, to make the colours pop or get the best image, I go back to fabric settings immediatly, because that looks WAY better. WAY BETTER.
Unfortunately I sometimes have to use motion interpolation to combat 24p jerkiness. Trying to find middle ground between no/less 24p jerkiness and some artifacting and no/low soap opera effect is the only thing I'm slightly disappointed in since I got my Oled TV. Here's hoping TV tech fixes it in the coming years and that my wallet will allow the upgrade once it's available...
I have the TCL R635 and whenever action smoothing is off, it feels so juddery and I hate it. I always keep it on low so it adds some “soap opera effect” but not much and it seems to work great and I enjoy how smooth movies and shows are. Having it on with Dolby Vision really blows my mind.
We hosted a party for New Years and dug out Rock Band 2 for PS3 and all the instruments. We had a blast but the screen kept stuttering which was throwing everybody off (that and the copious amounts of alcohol, but I digress...). I looked it up later. It was the stupid judder reduction / auto motion plus stuff on the TV. Once I turned that off, now it's completely smooth. Great video! Thanks for the info!
Why can't I buy a thousand dollar TV and not have to be a Phd in color systems? In the old days we opened the box..unwrapped the cardbord and plugged it in and turned it ON. Complications are making ordinary life unbearable. I still use an old tube monitor set just to overcome the "hype" of HD,Organic, 4k,5k and on and on. Thanks God for MeTV in black and white. I know..I'm an old foggy! Like your channel,regadless of my venting...Kudos!
Soap opera effect is actually amazing for gaming. This is the only place that motion flow was explained properly. Thank you. You got a like. FYI, you should make a separate video for gaming explaining why its good for gaming.
One issue with motion interpolation is that it increases the pixel response time, but BFI is not as bad, and not all games require quick reactions anyway
I do understand why turning off motion smoothing (especially if it introduces artifacts) is helpful, especially as a reviewer. I do not get however how anyone could ever prefer the stuttery look of 24 fps over 48, 60 or even 120. Might be because I‘m a gamer and I‘m just used to it but I do not just like the faster input response but feel like the additional smoothness makes it look so much more pleasing to the eyes, more realistic and more immersive all at the same time. Personally, I would love for the film industry to finally move away from this outdated standard in times where bigger file sizes and refresh rates of even up to 120 Hz are no longer a problem.
You're comparing INTERACTIVE media to NON-INTERACTIVE media. Do you know what type of disc would be required to store 4K movie at 120fps at good bitrate?
@@UltraCasualPenguin I am. There‘s the additional benefit of less input lag with higher frame rates in games but still: motion looks and feels absolutely horrible at anything below 50 in both games and movies. 120 Hz still seems out of reach because of the sheer size, I agree, but I‘d much rather take a little more compression at 4K60 or just 1440p60 than that sluggish 24p BS even despite having a big 4K OLED TV that could well benefit from 4K resolution.
@@ledooni Again you're comparing INTERACTIVE media to NON-INTERACTIVE media. YES, it matters in GAMES. Nowhere else. If you want motion blur gone your only option is CRT. Even your 360hz gaming TN with BFI loses to Sony FW900 at 120hz.
@@UltraCasualPenguin And you are equating YOUR OPINION with the TRUTH. Obviously, the perception of motion is somewhat subjective and as I said for me 24 Hz motion is not fine in everything else than games. You might wanna consider accepting other opinions but well… just an idea 🤷🏻♂️
Everybody is AGAINST it but I prefer COOL temperature setting. I know quite alot about tv settings so to me COOL is the best way to get the clearest white and cleaner colors.
very rarely comment, like or even get to the end of these shows, but must admit that I found this particular one interesting and informative. I have liked it and subscribed
I see why you don't like it and I can't say I do like it, but in some cases it can be amazing. I had never heard of the effect until I was watching the DVD of North by Northwest on a friend's TV. That particular DVD has a very high quality SD image. My friend has no interest in TV settings. He just watches it out of the box. So the motion smoothing was enabled. The effect was astonishing and I assumed all big, expensive TVs looked like this. There were times when it looked like Cary Grant could step out of the TV and into our viewing room. Anyway, it was fun for a while, but on my own TV I have it disabled.
Very informative Caleb; Thanks! Motion Smoothing (turned on by default) on my 2018 LG BX 65” Oled caused a halo effect around people/objects with complex or dark backgrounds. Once turned off, this problem went away.
Also I love the soap opera effect lol. It's always on for me. I also prefer 60 to 120fps over 30fps which is probably why I hate the way movies look without smoothing. Iam glad all these tvs have options for everyone. I LOVE THE TECH in these new tvs.
Interesting. However, My Bravia Standard Setting is near "perfect" --- regardless an setting I attempt --- i can't do better than the Bravis standard Settings.
i recently bought a Sony Bravia TV; i did keep the smooth motion on, for a while; but now… turned most of the picture settings off. And i don’t seem to have any problems at all. If anything… the TV picture looks 10 times better. i also played with the colour adjustment to get rid of that awful purple-red picture effect that you get. While at the same time… keeping the colour temperature, with ‘warm’ Wednesday am 8th February 2023. U.K. Southampton
Would love to see a video about the pros and cons of HDR. Seems like it causes lots of problems with making darks too dark. My old plasma TV, while not 4K, doesn’t have this issue of needing to change settings depending on what you’re watching.
Oh man, a behind the scenes would be awesome and if there's any more detail you can give about at-home calibration with limited tools that would be excellent! Another thing that could be nice is your preferred settings for flagship TVs.
Wow. I had no idea what that was. I just bought a new 65" TV a few months ago and couldn't figure out why everything looked like it was shot like a low budget student film. Soon as you said "soap opera effect" I knew exactly what you were talking about. Good to know. I need to get rid of that crap asap.
Recently got a new TV and I hated the soap opera effect so much I almost returned it. Couldn't figure out how a new TV could be better and worse. Saw another video, filmmaker mode fixed it, thanks for the additional info, knowledge is good.
Movie and warm might be accurate but it looks dreadful, I was always told to bare with it as my eyes will adjust, I just can't get used to some of my beloved all ye favourite films looking so yellow and whites don't look white they look off, skin tones are pale yellow too instead of naturally looking either white or having a little red colour in the cheeks, I know they say film directors intent but there's no way films look like this in the cinema, on fact a lot of my 4ks best represent the films I saw at the cinemas with the picture settings I've applied which are just standard settings
Motion smoothing is the first thing I turn on. It did look weird in 2013 when I bought my first TV that supported it, but you get used to it and it loses the "soap opera effect" odness after a while. Today we enjoy true 60fps videos online, so content displayed at 24fps without motion smoothing looks stuttery and awful to me now.
I'm no expert and I may be wrong (and your comment is also 7 months old) but I'm pretty sure that's what they refer to as "Judder". A good TV that has high quality image processing doesn't have any of that judder. It was one of the things I looked for when I upgraded my TV for my PS4 (now PS5) that it would display 24p content without any judder. You'd be surprised how many of the most expensive TV's have problems with 24p content.
I agree, the effect completely goes away. It's just better clarity in motion, you can see things clearer with motion interpolation. I even run my own frame interpolation software on my PC, why you might ask since it's built into most TV's. Well I have a Vizio quantum X 75", while this TV is truly amazing it's motion interpolation is garbage. First time had this with a Vizio, let alone their top tier model.
Hmm... D65 is about Daylight White (6500K) which is cooler than Cool White (5000K) and way cooler than Warm White (2700K). Setting your white balance to 'warm' only moves your white point further away from D65. I always prefer a white point as neutral as possible (4000K - 5000K).
4:24 Whereas 24 frames per second is absolutely natural? I thought the whole reason for going from SD to 1080p, 4K, 8K and eventually 16k is to achieve the most life like image experience possible, yet you want to limit video experience to something that isn't life like? Granted the motion smoothing features aren't natural and are artificial guess work, but we don't exactly get films released in 120fps all too often and if they were then I'd be all too happy to turn the motion smoothing off, but right now it still looks more life like with it turned on.
I think the main reason people don't like smoothing is that they aren't used to it. If you actually care about picture clarity, you have to have it turned on. Since I was a little kid I've been disappointed by the blurriness of movies in the theater and wondered why they couldn't fix it. I find motion smoothing to be a relief.
Weird to gate keep picture quality, when motion interpolation adds very visible artifacts to the picture. To each their own, but there's good reasons cinephiles and professionals don't use it.
I went to see the 48 fps version of the Hobbit as well. My mind, without prior knowledge of the concept, immediately noticed how the frame rate was similar to that of a soap opera. I got used to it as the film progressed; however, it was very jarring to see that fluid of motion compared to the traditional 24 fps at first, especially on a cinema screen. Before I saw the Hobbit, I remember there were six episodes of the Twilight Zone that were filmed on videotape (instead of 35mm film to cut budget costs), then transferred to 16mm film and aired on TV. They were soapy looking as well.
Just wanted my tv to work like normal & ended up listening to explanations for things I couldn’t dream up to ask. You took so many liberties in this video. My tv still looks a mess & you’re next level knowledge on this subject makes me insecure:(
So a warm color temperature and no smoothing. I'll be sure to set this up later this afternoon to test it out. Thanks for these kinds of tips! Keep em coming.
These are things I've always done even before I saw this video. I just bought a TV recently for the living room, and when adjusting the settings, I noticed that the "Cinema" mode had the best colors, so that's what I set it at. I also hate the motion smoothing effect. I have no idea why people like this effect.
Use either "natural" and lower the lighting level or cinema/film and raise it slightly. I avoid all the dynamic / vivid (bad tinting, unrealistic contrast, etc.) and warm modes which distort colors.
Awesome video and thanks for explaining how things work. I used to have a 65" plasma and it was an awesome TV. But it was getting old and only had limited inputs so I upgraded to an LG OLED. The comparison was like chalk and cheese, but one thing I hated immediately was the judder or staggering of the picture particularly in panning shots. When watching sport like football, it is so bad the ball actually disappears when flying through the air, it's terrible. I have now got a 75" 2020 Samsung QLED, again a stunning picture but the judder in panning shots is still there with motion reduction turned off and it drives me absolutely insane to the point I turn the movie off and go and do something else. Paying $6,000 for a TV that judder is unacceptable IMO. Can you explain why plasmas or even 5yo LED's did not experience this problem? What is going on in modern TV's that causes this anomaly?
Even a 1080p plasma make most LCD/LED 4k TVs look like crap. At least OLED is also a direct emitting technology that most close mimic plasma but at a much slower speed. Plasma is NO delay, it is impossible to tear them and 0% need for any motion blurring and all kind of mother methods to make an inferior technology work.
@@toriless That was the beauty of the Plasma, no motion blur problems whatsoever. Paying $5,000+ for a modern TV be it LED, OLED or whatever with this horrible motion blurring is criminal. I understand why it occurs, but find it inexplicable that with the technology available in 2021 it cannot be fixed. It's just maddening
As I've heard it mentioned plasmas operate at 600hz which syncs up with whatever content you are likely to be watching. That's the old explanation I remember.
I am a 42 year av guy and the first place I saw this was actually a Philips plasma. Setting up, it was some Bruce Willis movie and I said, "is this program the making of the movie?" I commented that everything looked like the local news, like a soap opera, the more we watched. I am sure I was one of many speaking the same sentiment.
Behind the scenes is a great idea. I love the settings you mention in your reviews, as it has helped me steer my wife and in-laws away from the soap-opera effect (absolutely despise it).
Well, I love the "soap opera effect" but in some movies. Mostly movies from the 30's through the 70's. Including TV shows. It's like giving them a form of art life, when I showed my wife her favorite movie Back to the Future in full 60fps. She was so happy cause she kept saying during the movie is like I'm there with them filming the movie. Is a new experience, and watching cartoons like Tom & Jerry of the 70's is so beautiful how that animation still looks so well done.
I use movie mode with smooth motion off but when I watch a 3D movie I turn on the smooth motion because it makes the 3D look more realistic. Great vid and subbed.
Thank you for giving folks permission to not like the warm color scheme - not my cup of tea. In fact, from time to time, I find I flip over to the 'Cool' setting in my pre-set color options. My TV, I can do whatever the heck I want - lol. But yeah, motion handling is an abomination. Great explanation.
@@steadyone2227 Same. In fact I watched a King Kong on HBO Max and I was concerned because it didn't have that soap effect. I always thought that it meant the native 120hz I have on the tv was working. To me it just looks smoother.
Can you explain the difference between cinematic movement, naturel and smooth motion? Does one give you less of a soap opera effect? Which is the best one if you do have that option enabled?
@@Travguy33 @Travis Fitzpatrick to my knowledge cinematic mode is meant for movies at 24fps(which does the least), natural is 30fps, and smooth motion is 60fps(which does the most) with AI injected frames to achieve the smoothest motion the tv can handle. The more modern the tv, the better it can achieve this.
Ever since I have seen motion smoothing I loved it. It made everything look more lifelike. How they are adding frames is not what is important but how it is displayed. If it looks smooth as butter then that is all I care about. I am coming from a generation were movies and TV viewing has always been 24fps or 30fps. Seen stuff at a faster smoother frame rate is a non brainer to me and a nice upgrade to the motion viewing. Why deny that? We might as well play videogames at 24-30fps and call it quits there but we don't, the same should be applied with movie watching. Give us the higher framerates. As for the color issue I see your point about getting that warm look but it gives it a more "Sepia" style of brightness, for me I tend to like the brighter bluer color spectrum. Whites look more, well white. Say no to yellow snow and falling pee.. I mean rain.
But what you're seeing isn't what was shot. Its a processor engineer's rough interpretation, a three-quarters fake image (assuming a 30 to 120 interpolation). Now actual HFR is fine, its what was shot, the detail and temporal quality are still intact, something that 'smooth'motion is incapable of preserving.
@@zybch Again, understanding the technical of how smooth motion works is interesting but not that important as long as it works and looks good. The end result or how it is displayed is what is important. It is good enough to were I don't mind the shortcoming artifacts, they are not bad enough to bother me. Like I said, smooth motion makes movies look more lifelike that's what is important and why I have it turned on.
@@greattantrum523 this is an odd take to me, because cinematic and life-like aren't the same thing at all.. Having smooth motion doesnt inherently improve a movie experience, and decreases the picture quality around edges particularly.. Games are a different thing entirely because often you are supposed to "be" there, and higher fps means better responsiveness.. But it's good there are options. :D
Because you're used to blue tinted whites of cold/neutral. On my Sony TV warm setting is blue tinted compared to Expert 1 which is Sony's factory calibrated setting which is close to Warm 2 on many TVs.
I think motion smoothing has it's place, especially in sports like automotive racing, where the AI has a relatively easy time guessing the interpolated frames accurately. I think they should be _broadcast_ at 120fps, if I'm being honest.
Thank you for your amazing reviews! I got a new U7H after watching your review and I love it. I just have a problem with it when watching sports where I notice some pixelation around fast moving players or objects. Is that a fault in the TV or something I can fix by changing settings?
75% of the tv use in our family is gaming, the 120 fps option on many ps5 & Xbox series x games is the main selling point of our tv. 24 fps standard for films is an arbitrary number, just because it is the standard doesn’t mean it should be or that it’s better than a higher frame rate. Video games has me convinced high frame rate is a great thing. I prefer motion smoothing on sports/movies/animated movies
I recently got a new 75 inch tv and years ago when motion smoothing came out, I thought it looked absurd. But now I really enjoy it. It just makes the picture more, smooth lol. Everything looks more realistic and sports looks much better. Needless to say I am sold on it now.
I always turn on motion interpolation/judder reduction/true motion because 24fps and even 30fps looks like stop-motion to me and is super annoying - especially in scenes where the camera is panning. People call that interpolation look "soap operaish" but I call it "realistic and not migraine-inducing" and it is one reason (other than my sound system) that I much prefer watching movies at home rather than in the theater. 24fps is for sadists who like to inflict migraines upon others. Other than that you're spot-on.
Ironically, it’s everything you describe that you hate that causes me migraines. If I look at a TV on display mode in a retail store, I immediately get dizzy and my eyes begin to hurt. If I look for more than a minute the headache begins.
There's a couple of things I would like to say here...Now, before I start I should say that I am a gamer. I don't typically watch TV or movies and neither does my fiancee (she's a gamer as well). With that said, I really hate the warm look on modern displays. It just makes everything look overly orange too me. I also happen to like Auto-Motion Plus when playing games as it makes characters jump off of the screen. If you have a screen that has a great response time everything flows rather nicely. That's just my opinion.
Wow! I had no idea so many people preferred motion smoothing! Keep the comments coming! Also: do you prefer the way a movie looks at the theater, or on your TV at home? Let us know!
I know right.? Lol, I saw that back when I reviewed the Samsung KS8000, I love going to the movies for the big experience, especially the Dolby theater, the sound and picture is amazing but I also do enjoy the comfort and the projector I have at home.
I get it’s know as the soap opera effect... but I see it as if you are watching a movie through a window more realistic and immersive I feel like I’m there... but to each their own. Lol
Well done dude you are amazing 😁
Motion smoothing looks more life like. But I understand the appeal for the cinematic motion
Proper motion smoothing makes a movie pop, thats why even LG started including it in their Movie Picture Settings. I hate the Judder & Choppiness you get especially with an OLED that needs the help.
For me a Calibration is just the start...then you start learning what the featured do on your expensive tv. I stopped listening to all the purists when I played around and saw the improvement with my own eyes. Calibrators will tell you that isn't the directors intent. Some died before my tv was even made... But regardless, if they wanted it to look bad in motion....i do not!
Behind the scenes sounds like something I would enjoy.
Cardinal Pell calls it behind the cloak.
I need this guy to come over and balance the settings on my TV because I obviously have no idea what the hell I'm doing
I'm RIGHT there with you...my friend!
I’m with you guys. I’ve absolutely no idea what this stuff is. I turn on the TV, watch stuff then turn it off. Until I watched this I had no idea I was doing it all wrong. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, I like to think I know what what I am doing & understanding so I start digging in. Then all of a sudden my wife is like ( What are you doing ? ) by then I am like, trying to make the TV look better. then she is like ( ok sure ) now my shit is all messed up I have all the settings all over the place. arrhhhgggg!!!!!
@@tankbulldogge8639, that's a good & funny story. In settings, you can just reset it to default and that will remove all evidence that you messed it up, -:)
Until I watched this video, everyone on my TV looked like a corpse! Still looks pretty bad but at least nobody looks like they came from the morgue.
Yes. I would like more behind the scenes stuff. The more I understand the why and how the more informed I feel.
I have an LG 42" that we bought many years ago. I wasn't happy with it but I was the only one in my family that was having issues with the TV until after a few years of dealing with it I learned about True Motion. I turned it off and it was like watching a totally different TV and a more enjoyable experience.
Been watching a lot of your videos, and several other youtubers in my quest for a new TV. I just got my A80J Wednesday and the first thing I noticed was how many things I watched looked choppy. After messing with motion settings and turning this setting up my eyes were suddenly pleased by the smoothness of the picture, which finally proved what all the reviewers said about how good Sony is at motion.. Today the youtube algorithm presented me with this video and I am pleased to see I am not alone in the comments that many people also feel the keeping motion settings on or cranked up takes away the distraction of choppiness. I get why you would turn this off for performance testing, but when it comes down to relaxing and watching TV. I want to be immersed and not distracted by these types of issues. I want my TV to look good to my eyes and not a single one of my friends or family will ever notice how much of a purest I am when it comes to TV settings. I use these videos to help me understand the upsides and downsides of these settings and what they do, then try them for myself to decide what stays or goes.
Which setting do you have motion smoothing on? And do you have any other options turned on?
They are a really good inspiration … but what they miss is a key factor … personal preference and individual perception … most ‚perfect‘ settings I changed straight away … and my TV Service Team stopped offering high end calibration services as the response from many customers came … brilliant perfect settings, but I do not like it … I prefer smoothness on and some reality creation on as well on my 83“ A90J … looks so much better and soap opera effect it does hardly produce … to get this you need to mess around hard with the settings. In the end perfect is the way we like it … and this only we can calibrate … inspired by such clips here …
I didn't understand most of what you said, but, you must be a good teacher because I'm going to ask my son to change my picture settings just like you said. Thanks,
I really like your content, find it extremely helpful. One recommendation - recap your points at the end with specific settings. Like some of your other content, I had to watch this 5 times to understand what exact settings you were talking about and then find them on my TV. I'm likely not the only one, but I tend to flip through videos pretty quick, trying to get to the main points. Not trying to be an annoying critic - I really like your stuff - just think this would be extremely helpful for many of us.
Agree with John.
Also agree with John
It can be different for every TV model and brand. You just have to look through the settings on your TV to see where they put it.
Agree
Agreed, give us the best setting in a simple way. So we can understand and follow on our TV setting. TKS
I would really like to see the review process. It would also be helpful if you could list the settings in the comments section that you select for the reviewed TVs.
Exactly. I've just commented thaet if he could summarize at the end of the video it would make it much easier to understand
I agree👍
It's very much a personal choice but personally I don't like 24fps, it's blurry choppy and in some scenes - down right ruins the viewing experience. It feels that we're being *told* that 24fps is best for cinema...unfortunately not for me.
I used to always cut off motion smoothing completely off in the past. Since I got a TCL 65R655 very recently, however, I do like keeping motion smoothing set to low when watching movies. When I use the low motion smoothing setting in conjuction with HDR/Dolby Vision dark, it removes judder without making anything look unnatural to my eyes. When I turn the motion smoothing off completely, the 24p judder is just too noticeable particularly during panning shots.
I'm more confused than befor I watched this.
I would like to see you calibrate budget TVs. I agree with you when you said in previous videos that people who buy budget TVs are unlikely to pay for calibration, but I think it would be useful for people to know things such as the differences in SDR and HDR peak brightness between budget, mid-range and high-end TVs.
I agree. I have a $350 Hisense and it doesn't have some of the features this guy is talking about. I don't even have the "smoothing effect" or " soap opera effect"... I just want a true HD look on all my channels.
Sadly not much on TV that is worth a high end TV !
@@George196207 Isn't that the truth. On another note, two movies were made using Vista Vision. One being The Searchers with John Wayne. I have an old, failed Samsung design and no real HD or UHD cables but yet, you can almost count the grains of sand on the ground. So why do I need a $3000+ TV? That's the question that I've been battling myself over.
Whether if I'm watching on my inexpensive bedroom TV or on my living room OLED TV, watching movie nowadays... especially original content movies on the streaming platforms with it's out of focus backgrounds and blurry edges. As soon as I identify it I'm immediately aware the actors are standing in front of a green screen which immediately distances me from the movie.
Thank god I've got music to fall back on 😊
Yes we do want more behind the scenes and why did you stop reviewing speakers and home theater systems?
I also wonder why soundbars are always mentioned when there are nice KEF speakers in the room!
Caleb, Planning on getting the S90c, and connecting a new firestick.
Is this counterproductive???Wish you’d do a video on the topic using these type of devices with top line OLED TVs” Which are the best as far as are they getting the most out of sound/pic quality or hindering the experience?
I love motion smoothing. Looks even more true to life. I don't know about y'all, but I don't see my life in frames. Looks so much better, almost like looking through an open window.
Great. You just broke my record of 866 days without Tom Cruise. Thanks a lot.
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Rofl.
Now that was funny
Before I got a new TV I was 110% sure motion smoothing was evil and deplorable (exaggerating of course). But after using it for just a day, I’m finding I have a hard time enjoying 24fps content without at least some smoothing. The choppiness is just an eye-sore a lot of the time.
I agree👍
It's very much a personal choice but personally I don't like 24fps, it's blurry choppy and in some scenes - down right ruins the viewing experience. It feels that we're being *told* that 24fps is best for cinema...unfortunately not for me.
24fps was a compromise in the infancy of the movie industry for the equipment of the time. Liking it nowadays is like lighting your home with candles - it brings a feeling of nostalgia. Black and white movies were also an early limitation so should we turn off color?
24fps is for old folks. Everyone has 60hz screens as a minimum now. Welcome to the future.
@ML_Patarnot with motion smoothing. It’ll make you movies 60fps
I used to hate motion smoothing, however with new TVs (at least with Sony), I feel the technology has advanced enough for it to actually be an enhancement, at least in the 'Low' setting.
I was a TV man back in the late 70's early 80's. The soaps were great for TV setup. Once leaving TV service for computer service I was addicted to the ABC daytime line up. I had two Sony AV-3600 VTRs cascaded to to record Ryan's Hope, Once Life to Live & half of General Hospital. It quickly became apparent that this was to much TV to catch up on over the weekend.
6500 isn't 'warmer'. I don't understand where that comes from. The sun is 5800K, Daylight film and practical 'standard white' on Earth outside in our atmosphere (as opposed to the vacuum of outer space) on a typical sunny day is about 5500K. 'Warm' is anything below this, with standard old school 100watt bulbs being about 2700K. (the old movie Tungsten film standard was 3200K. I shot a lot of still film 35mm to 8x10 transparency, but because my Minolta lightmeter had a standardized 'distortion' this always showed up as 2900K on it.)
Video has always been 'cooler.' There's nothing wrong with 6500, but cooler TV (old school and flat screen) colors is why screens always stand out in most rooms.
I've been proposing a Turning Monitor Test in which a TV monitor placed next to a window is indistinguishable from the 'real' view. Of course that doesn't mean it will be 'better.' It's just a nearly impossible standard to meet. (Movies, theater and on screens is a distorted heightened reality, like acting. What's the difference between an actor and someone you've lived with for years? The actor will almost always project what their character is feeling emotionally. Good luck getting that out of your partner. Wait did I just say something wrong?)
Will I now set my TV to 6500? It's probably already there, but I'll check. My flat screen is the dominant source of color information in the room I screen in, so seems absolutely reasonable.
The other two things? I'm a bit vague about them. I guess I'm that old school. I know something about bothe topics but not in the way they were discussed. I do remember seeing Douglas Trumbell's 60fps movies in Las Vegas. Really interesting but gave me a screaming migraine. (I got a lot of those anyway so the film projecting might've just exacerbated it.) Would I follow the recommendations? Baring any experimenting or other information I would.
The 5800K is the temperature of our Sun's photosphere - outermost layer that lights up our planet. If you heated metal up to that temperature it would have that same color. (So what color is our sun? To us it is white, but most of the time it's too bright to look at, at dawn and dusk it looks yellow) If you have one of those temperature 'guns' point it at a clear deep blue sky - you'll be very surprised at the temperature.
I actually like the soap-opera effect.
24 Frames should die. Therefor I like the Hobbit 48 FPS effect (but not the story). I Wish more movies and TV series were shot in 60 FPS.
I am there with you on that!! Why does anyone care about 24p and cinematic or what not? It just takes me out of the experience. I want to be immersed in that movie, it should be shot in 60 fps.
Is there a way to lower the back ground music/noise so I can hear dialog without turning the volume to 30? Thanks!
No, but I use closed caption, which also oddly adds in stuff at least on Netflix shows. For instance, on one show the closed captioning stated that a person was hearing whispers even though there was no audible whispering. However the technology does exist which is used in the music industry to isolate and sometimes remove "tracks." That's how RUclipsrs can sing a song or play an instrument to a backing track that has that key detail missing from the original. As far as I know, that technology doesn't work in real time.
On some streaming services there are settings for that you should check out. HBO Max for example has a "night mode" that mixes the audio better for night time so you don't have to get your eardrums blasted by louder sound effects or music. Try also seeing if, on Netflix for example this is a big issue, you're streaming isn't defaulting to 5.1 surround sound audio when you maybe don't have that set up in your house. That can be a huge help for hearing dialogue and such mixed better, because it's entirely possible the dialogue is mixed really well for 5.1 audio setups but isn't coming through as clear condensed into your TV speakers. I find playing around with audio settings whether it's on your TV's settings menu, my Playstation's audio options (switching to Bitstream), or finding the settings in the streaming service I'm using can go a long way to having much better at home audio mixing.
Order a ZVOX from HSN. Dialogue is clearer without the background & music. I bought at Xmas for like $89. It was on sale.
Motion smoothing is A MUST !!!!
22 years as a motion picture projectionist, running 35mm and 70mm prints at 24fps, and I can say without hesitation that I'll take high frame rates any day of the week. 24fps was the standard because the entire film industry was set up for it originally. We are now free of that limitation thanks to the industry going all digital, but for whatever reason, Hollywood insists on keeping the look of a technologically inferior process. Film was a magnificent medium, but the relatively low frame rate (actually 48 images per second, because shutters are double-bladed) was for backwards compatability.
If the scene is lit properly, and the DoP understands what they're doing, it can be incredibly immersive (Douglas Trumbull's Showscan process was magnificent, for example). I have a 120 Hz OLED and I'll take as much smoothing as I can get.
I don't see the point in having these flash tvs then making it work like the old inferior ones.
Same way they now can't turn down the music sound track to be lower than the dialogue ! Incompetent sound tech or just trying hard as hell to sell the crap music they blast over the actors .
Exactly, is just that we culturally relate 24 fps as "movie feel"
24fps in movies is also because editing, not just tradition. it's easier to edit individual frames when there are less of them. so we stick with the least fps possible while it's high enough to maintain a convincing sense of motion
You are confusing this setting.
If the movie is filmed in 60fps then it’s great to watch. But we are talking about smoothing of a picture that was originally 24fps and make it 30 or 60fps. It will look unnatural and wrong.
If you have a 60fps movie on a 60fps tv then you don’t need any smoothing again. It’s always a useless setting that needs to be off
This is a great introduction to a series. One thing I might suggest, and maybe something to go along with your behind the scenes, is to be more specific about _exactly_ what settings you're recommending changing. I'm sure it's second nature to you at this point, you've been deep in the settings trees of a hundred TVs, maybe a thousand times. Most folks (or at least I) don't have nearly that familiarity, even with our own TV sets.
Whizzing through the settings in this video, I can't even tell which settings examples are from an LG TV (my own TV brand) vs. the others. I can never remember what LG's proprietary motion smoothing setting is called, or what all of the different levels mean or do. You've _forgotten_ more about TV settings than most of us will ever know. So, when making recommendations, it's worth being _very_ clear, at least for the top TV brands. Or at least slowing down the action and cuts in your video, so we can see what you're doing.
You obviously can't do it for every single TV brand and model, but when there's commonalities across models within a brand, or maybe for the top rated or top selling models, it would be really valuable. Thanks!
Absolutely. A full hr of setup, including 7.1 surround, would be amazing. Covering everything: placement, color calibration, killing pre-sets, trade-offs (e.g. motion blur vs. sharpness), setting up sound NOT With my receiver instructions, maybe even saving 2 settings -- one for sports, one for movies; one for day, one for night, one for yourself, and a super-bright one for morons, etc. Finally, motion smoothing is death. But so is jitter and judder. I always turn motion control off, but too many tvs still struggle with interpolation and motion. I find myself battling the deep recesses color and white color in order to make up for the necessary oversaturation and contrast. I will say,, it's fun to stay up late when visiting my parents, adjusting all the settings,, and seeing how long it takes one of them to say 'they must have updated our software again, because this looks great.' As in, blacks and whites suddenly have wrinkles. Definitely the Bold and the Beautiful, for me.
I wonder what this is useful for … its also about personal preference and subjective perception … a lot of ‚best settings‘ recommendations look awful … I had TV s professionally calibrated … it just did not fit with the way I and many people subjectively like it … my TV Team stopped offering a high end calibration service as subjectively too many people feel differently … so working this out yourself with some inspiration is the best way forward. I tried it with family and friends and the ‚best settings‘ for the individual TV often led to the result ‚who messed up the TV settings‘. Especially switching smoothing and reality creation off led to protests. Has nothing to do with morons but that everybody perceives it differently based on personal liking and a different perception.
@@GanymedeXD nah. Just nah.
Morons 100%
If they had a single clue about the technical aspects.. they would change.... Like we all do .. when we learn something deeper about a subject.
impressive... the clarity, the citations added to the narrative, and the examples included - all were very helpful. Thanks!
What about personal preference? Personally, I prefer a cooler picture, as it tends to make colours look brighter, and whites whiter. Warm pictures make whites look peachy, and colours look muddy, like an old school cine effect. So I will stick to my preference.
I've always liked the cool color over the warm
To my eyes the "warm" setting always makes the whites in the picture - not look white.
yup I like my whites on the blue side as they look brighter, the cinema yellow whites just look dull and unpleasing.
All this video did is made me miss my grandma. She watched a lot of soaps, but Bold and the Beautiful was her favorite.
This was probably the most interesting video I’ve ever seen out of a TV reviewer. Yes keep them coming
Man man, you speak so fast! Good heavens
I just tested my new Samsung TV Q60A as I watched "Back To The Future". I turned off the motion smoothing, a few minutes later I turned it on. And, wow! I prefer the motion smoothing ten times more, you could see the finest of details, like when Lorraine stepped back from kissing Marty, you could see the subtle blush points on her collar bone. I haven't seen any other movies yet, I just bought the TV, but I prefer keeping it on for all programs as of now.
Yes yes I want to see behind the scenes of how a TV is set up and how the picture settings are chosen
I know motion smoothing is bad, but when I see juddering or image blur, I try to split the difference with the custom motion smoothing. It’s low, but at least the people and objects moving don’t look like there are leaving a trail.
Is there other ways to circumvent juddering?
120hz solves juddering issues seen at 60hz. dont remember the exact explanation, but you need hdmi 2.1 at both ends for enough bandwidth.
0:29 - It's a Brett Favre type situation. Name is spelled one way but said another. Great points in this video, thank you for posting it.
Something happened to my relatively cheap $248. but just 6 month old bedroom VIZIO TV. The screen had bands of light,, white vertically anywhere there's white in the picture.
Could it have happened from a lightening storm or something?
I'm not sure, I don't often watch it.
Anyway, changing my picture settings really helped taking my screen from barely not being able to see my picture clearly to absolutely being able to enjoy watching it.
I mainly use this for watching as I dress, clean my bedroom or bath, catching the news, etc. so really not worth the expense of hiring a repair person or replacing it.
Thank you so much!!
absolutely LOVE motion smoothing. never even remotely considered buying a tv until the technology was made available in 2008. i will never go back to cinematic.
When the 4:33 mark hit, you know everyone that used to get down on some Young and Restless when they go visit grandma was like "DUDE Victor is still alive!!!"
Man, I really felt this comment. Grandma was always on some soaps.
OMG yes! That dude has been a staple in my life and I've never once sat and watched a single episode.
I feel like a lot of people have written motion smoothing off because their experience is based off it's initial technology and they've been screaming from rooftops on how bad it is to this day, technology has improved so give it a chance cause I actually love it.
I dunno. I have a 2010 samsung led and because of it i love smooth motion
@@phroskies that's good to know someone enjoyed it around that time cuz I had a vizio at that time and the motion smoothing was terrible haha
@@jesse-mg1hx vizio has always had a problem with it i believe. Even now it is among the worst for all tvs, but dont quote me on that.
I hate it just as much as before
No it is garbage and it still looks terrible
Not a fan of frame interpolation, but love high frame rate. Hobbit in the theatre at 48fps was unreal!
By unreal, I hope you mean, made the movie look super unrealistic, suspension of disbelief goes out the window, you can literally see each special effect, because movies aren't meant to be played like soap operas or like your iPhone videos.
Its look like shot in iphone.cinema is dead for higher fps,its like watching behind the scene
@@SuperSy99 So we deteriorate the fps to a point where we can barely make out what is happening in fast-paced scenes? If we adjusted recording techniques and post-processing to suit higher frame rate capture then it wouldn't look like it was shot on a phone or behind the scenes. The fact that you associate higher frame rates with amateur recording is a symptom of your conditioning which is a result of, ironically, low industry standards, as well as tradition.
Motion Smoothing is awesome, it just takes a bit to get used to at first, but once your eyes are used to it everything looks so much better.
Funnily enough, when I follow guides like this, tailored to my specific tv, to make the colours pop or get the best image, I go back to fabric settings immediatly, because that looks WAY better. WAY BETTER.
Unfortunately I sometimes have to use motion interpolation to combat 24p jerkiness. Trying to find middle ground between no/less 24p jerkiness and some artifacting and no/low soap opera effect is the only thing I'm slightly disappointed in since I got my Oled TV.
Here's hoping TV tech fixes it in the coming years and that my wallet will allow the upgrade once it's available...
just need a tv that lets you fine tune motion smoothing, instead of just a low, medium, high, off toggles
My preference is literally opposite to what you just wrote:
-love the soap opera effect
-hate warm colours
-hate BFI
We also are not fans of BFI, so we have that in common!
I would use BFI on a gaming monitor, but not sure about TVs
I have the TCL R635 and whenever action smoothing is off, it feels so juddery and I hate it. I always keep it on low so it adds some “soap opera effect” but not much and it seems to work great and I enjoy how smooth movies and shows are. Having it on with Dolby Vision really blows my mind.
Thank you man. I am a man far removed from the industry that I used to dance in. Make more of these. Cheers
We hosted a party for New Years and dug out Rock Band 2 for PS3 and all the instruments. We had a blast but the screen kept stuttering which was throwing everybody off (that and the copious amounts of alcohol, but I digress...). I looked it up later. It was the stupid judder reduction / auto motion plus stuff on the TV. Once I turned that off, now it's completely smooth.
Great video! Thanks for the info!
Why can't I buy a thousand dollar TV and not have to be a Phd in color systems? In the old days we opened the box..unwrapped the cardbord and plugged it in and turned it ON. Complications are making ordinary life unbearable. I still use an old tube monitor set just to overcome the "hype" of HD,Organic, 4k,5k and on and on. Thanks God for MeTV in black and white. I know..I'm an old foggy! Like your channel,regadless of my venting...Kudos!
Soap opera effect is actually amazing for gaming. This is the only place that motion flow was explained properly. Thank you. You got a like. FYI, you should make a separate video for gaming explaining why its good for gaming.
One issue with motion interpolation is that it increases the pixel response time, but BFI is not as bad, and not all games require quick reactions anyway
I do understand why turning off motion smoothing (especially if it introduces artifacts) is helpful, especially as a reviewer. I do not get however how anyone could ever prefer the stuttery look of 24 fps over 48, 60 or even 120. Might be because I‘m a gamer and I‘m just used to it but I do not just like the faster input response but feel like the additional smoothness makes it look so much more pleasing to the eyes, more realistic and more immersive all at the same time. Personally, I would love for the film industry to finally move away from this outdated standard in times where bigger file sizes and refresh rates of even up to 120 Hz are no longer a problem.
You're comparing INTERACTIVE media to NON-INTERACTIVE media.
Do you know what type of disc would be required to store 4K movie at 120fps at good bitrate?
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I am. There‘s the additional benefit of less input lag with higher frame rates in games but still: motion looks and feels absolutely horrible at anything below 50 in both games and movies. 120 Hz still seems out of reach because of the sheer size, I agree, but I‘d much rather take a little more compression at 4K60 or just 1440p60 than that sluggish 24p BS even despite having a big 4K OLED TV that could well benefit from 4K resolution.
@@ledooni Again you're comparing INTERACTIVE media to NON-INTERACTIVE media.
YES, it matters in GAMES. Nowhere else.
If you want motion blur gone your only option is CRT. Even your 360hz gaming TN with BFI loses to Sony FW900 at 120hz.
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And you are equating YOUR OPINION with the TRUTH. Obviously, the perception of motion is somewhat subjective and as I said for me 24 Hz motion is not fine in everything else than games. You might wanna consider accepting other opinions but well… just an idea 🤷🏻♂️
@@ledooni Do you about "opinion" on motion blur in LCDs? That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
Reason why 24fps looks bad on LCD is MOTION BLUR.
Everybody is AGAINST it but I prefer COOL temperature setting. I know quite alot about tv settings so to me COOL is the best way to get the clearest white and cleaner colors.
very rarely comment, like or even get to the end of these shows, but must admit that I found this particular one interesting and informative. I have liked it and subscribed
I see why you don't like it and I can't say I do like it, but in some cases it can be amazing. I had never heard of the effect until I was watching the DVD of North by Northwest on a friend's TV. That particular DVD has a very high quality SD image. My friend has no interest in TV settings. He just watches it out of the box. So the motion smoothing was enabled. The effect was astonishing and I assumed all big, expensive TVs looked like this. There were times when it looked like Cary Grant could step out of the TV and into our viewing room. Anyway, it was fun for a while, but on my own TV I have it disabled.
Very informative Caleb; Thanks! Motion Smoothing (turned on by default) on my 2018 LG BX 65” Oled caused a halo effect around people/objects with complex or dark backgrounds. Once turned off, this problem went away.
Also I love the soap opera effect lol. It's always on for me. I also prefer 60 to 120fps over 30fps which is probably why I hate the way movies look without smoothing. Iam glad all these tvs have options for everyone. I LOVE THE TECH in these new tvs.
I also disable overscan on TVs. It is frequently enabled by default. There is no reason for it in the age of fixed pixel displays and digital formats
@Pete Forgione I don't know. If I was in your position, I would look in the manual
Interesting. However, My Bravia Standard Setting is near "perfect" --- regardless an setting I attempt --- i can't do better than the Bravis standard Settings.
i recently bought a Sony Bravia TV; i did keep the smooth motion on, for a while; but now… turned most of the picture settings off. And i don’t seem to have any problems at all. If anything… the TV picture looks 10 times better.
i also played with the colour adjustment to get rid of that awful purple-red picture effect that you get. While at the same time… keeping the colour temperature, with ‘warm’
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Yes please. An in depth series on calibration would be appreciated.
Would love to see a video about the pros and cons of HDR. Seems like it causes lots of problems with making darks too dark. My old plasma TV, while not 4K, doesn’t have this issue of needing to change settings depending on what you’re watching.
I still have a plasma tv; wonderful tv. And I use it with soundbar and subwoofer. Just perfect.
Oh man, a behind the scenes would be awesome and if there's any more detail you can give about at-home calibration with limited tools that would be excellent! Another thing that could be nice is your preferred settings for flagship TVs.
Wow. I had no idea what that was.
I just bought a new 65" TV a few months ago and couldn't figure out why everything looked like it was shot like a low budget student film.
Soon as you said "soap opera effect" I knew exactly what you were talking about.
Good to know. I need to get rid of that crap asap.
Recently got a new TV and I hated the soap opera effect so much I almost returned it. Couldn't figure out how a new TV could be better and worse. Saw another video, filmmaker mode fixed it, thanks for the additional info, knowledge is good.
Movie and warm might be accurate but it looks dreadful, I was always told to bare with it as my eyes will adjust, I just can't get used to some of my beloved all ye favourite films looking so yellow and whites don't look white they look off, skin tones are pale yellow too instead of naturally looking either white or having a little red colour in the cheeks, I know they say film directors intent but there's no way films look like this in the cinema, on fact a lot of my 4ks best represent the films I saw at the cinemas with the picture settings I've applied which are just standard settings
Hey Caleb, thank you for everything you do! Yes, please, a behind-the-scenes video on how you test would be great!
Motion smoothing is the first thing I turn on. It did look weird in 2013 when I bought my first TV that supported it, but you get used to it and it loses the "soap opera effect" odness after a while. Today we enjoy true 60fps videos online, so content displayed at 24fps without motion smoothing looks stuttery and awful to me now.
I'm no expert and I may be wrong (and your comment is also 7 months old) but I'm pretty sure that's what they refer to as "Judder". A good TV that has high quality image processing doesn't have any of that judder. It was one of the things I looked for when I upgraded my TV for my PS4 (now PS5) that it would display 24p content without any judder. You'd be surprised how many of the most expensive TV's have problems with 24p content.
Newer sets have no 24 FPS shuttering like they did 2 years ago
I agree, the effect completely goes away. It's just better clarity in motion, you can see things clearer with motion interpolation. I even run my own frame interpolation software on my PC, why you might ask since it's built into most TV's. Well I have a Vizio quantum X 75", while this TV is truly amazing it's motion interpolation is garbage. First time had this with a Vizio, let alone their top tier model.
Hmm... D65 is about Daylight White (6500K) which is cooler than Cool White (5000K) and way cooler than Warm White (2700K). Setting your white balance to 'warm' only moves your white point further away from D65. I always prefer a white point as neutral as possible (4000K - 5000K).
4:24 Whereas 24 frames per second is absolutely natural? I thought the whole reason for going from SD to 1080p, 4K, 8K and eventually 16k is to achieve the most life like image experience possible, yet you want to limit video experience to something that isn't life like?
Granted the motion smoothing features aren't natural and are artificial guess work, but we don't exactly get films released in 120fps all too often and if they were then I'd be all too happy to turn the motion smoothing off, but right now it still looks more life like with it turned on.
i must be in the extreme minority, but i love the smoothness high refresh rate of motion smoothing. I always have it turned up on my lg cx
I think the main reason people don't like smoothing is that they aren't used to it. If you actually care about picture clarity, you have to have it turned on. Since I was a little kid I've been disappointed by the blurriness of movies in the theater and wondered why they couldn't fix it. I find motion smoothing to be a relief.
Weird to gate keep picture quality, when motion interpolation adds very visible artifacts to the picture. To each their own, but there's good reasons cinephiles and professionals don't use it.
I went to see the 48 fps version of the Hobbit as well. My mind, without prior knowledge of the concept, immediately noticed how the frame rate was similar to that of a soap opera. I got used to it as the film progressed; however, it was very jarring to see that fluid of motion compared to the traditional 24 fps at first, especially on a cinema screen. Before I saw the Hobbit, I remember there were six episodes of the Twilight Zone that were filmed on videotape (instead of 35mm film to cut budget costs), then transferred to 16mm film and aired on TV. They were soapy looking as well.
Definitely! An inside look at the review and testing process would be interesting.
Just wanted my tv to work like normal & ended up listening to explanations for things I couldn’t dream up to ask. You took so many liberties in this video. My tv still looks a mess & you’re next level knowledge on this subject makes me insecure:(
So a warm color temperature and no smoothing. I'll be sure to set this up later this afternoon to test it out. Thanks for these kinds of tips! Keep em coming.
Or precalibrated color temperature if there is like Expert 1 on Sony TVs.
But its too yellowish...
These are things I've always done even before I saw this video. I just bought a TV recently for the living room, and when adjusting the settings, I noticed that the "Cinema" mode had the best colors, so that's what I set it at. I also hate the motion smoothing effect. I have no idea why people like this effect.
Just avoid Vivid like a plague.
Use either "natural" and lower the lighting level or cinema/film and raise it slightly. I avoid all the dynamic / vivid (bad tinting, unrealistic contrast, etc.) and warm modes which distort colors.
Awesome video and thanks for explaining how things work. I used to have a 65" plasma and it was an awesome TV. But it was getting old and only had limited inputs so I upgraded to an LG OLED. The comparison was like chalk and cheese, but one thing I hated immediately was the judder or staggering of the picture particularly in panning shots. When watching sport like football, it is so bad the ball actually disappears when flying through the air, it's terrible.
I have now got a 75" 2020 Samsung QLED, again a stunning picture but the judder in panning shots is still there with motion reduction turned off and it drives me absolutely insane to the point I turn the movie off and go and do something else. Paying $6,000 for a TV that judder is unacceptable IMO.
Can you explain why plasmas or even 5yo LED's did not experience this problem? What is going on in modern TV's that causes this anomaly?
Even a 1080p plasma make most LCD/LED 4k TVs look like crap. At least OLED is also a direct emitting technology that most close mimic plasma but at a much slower speed. Plasma is NO delay, it is impossible to tear them and 0% need for any motion blurring and all kind of mother methods to make an inferior technology work.
@@toriless That was the beauty of the Plasma, no motion blur problems whatsoever. Paying $5,000+ for a modern TV be it LED, OLED or whatever with this horrible motion blurring is criminal.
I understand why it occurs, but find it inexplicable that with the technology available in 2021 it cannot be fixed. It's just maddening
As I've heard it mentioned plasmas operate at 600hz which syncs up with whatever content you are likely to be watching. That's the old explanation I remember.
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@mr hansen Yup, I think technology is going backwards sometimes.
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I am a 42 year av guy and the first place I saw this was actually a Philips plasma. Setting up, it was some Bruce Willis movie and I said, "is this program the making of the movie?" I commented that everything looked like the local news, like a soap opera, the more we watched. I am sure I was one of many speaking the same sentiment.
Exactly it looks like the Outtakes
Behind the scenes is a great idea. I love the settings you mention in your reviews, as it has helped me steer my wife and in-laws away from the soap-opera effect (absolutely despise it).
I love the motion improvements they are all activated on my LG OLED and Samsung. even for gaming! everything is so smooth without flickering
Well, I love the "soap opera effect" but in some movies. Mostly movies from the 30's through the 70's. Including TV shows. It's like giving them a form of art life, when I showed my wife her favorite movie Back to the Future in full 60fps. She was so happy cause she kept saying during the movie is like I'm there with them filming the movie. Is a new experience, and watching cartoons like Tom & Jerry of the 70's is so beautiful how that animation still looks so well done.
I use movie mode with smooth motion off but when I watch a 3D movie I turn on the smooth motion because it makes the 3D look more realistic. Great vid and subbed.
Thank you for giving folks permission to not like the warm color scheme - not my cup of tea. In fact, from time to time, I find I flip over to the 'Cool' setting in my pre-set color options. My TV, I can do whatever the heck I want - lol. But yeah, motion handling is an abomination. Great explanation.
I like the soap opera effect on all content I watch
@@steadyone2227 Same. In fact I watched a King Kong on HBO Max and I was concerned because it didn't have that soap effect. I always thought that it meant the native 120hz I have on the tv was working. To me it just looks smoother.
Can you explain the difference between cinematic movement, naturel and smooth motion? Does one give you less of a soap opera effect? Which is the best one if you do have that option enabled?
@@Travguy33 @Travis Fitzpatrick to my knowledge cinematic mode is meant for movies at 24fps(which does the least), natural is 30fps, and smooth motion is 60fps(which does the most) with AI injected frames to achieve the smoothest motion the tv can handle. The more modern the tv, the better it can achieve this.
Ever since I have seen motion smoothing I loved it. It made everything look more lifelike. How they are adding frames is not what is important but how it is displayed. If it looks smooth as butter then that is all I care about. I am coming from a generation were movies and TV viewing has always been 24fps or 30fps. Seen stuff at a faster smoother frame rate is a non brainer to me and a nice upgrade to the motion viewing. Why deny that? We might as well play videogames at 24-30fps and call it quits there but we don't, the same should be applied with movie watching. Give us the higher framerates. As for the color issue I see your point about getting that warm look but it gives it a more "Sepia" style of brightness, for me I tend to like the brighter bluer color spectrum. Whites look more, well white. Say no to yellow snow and falling pee.. I mean rain.
But what you're seeing isn't what was shot. Its a processor engineer's rough interpretation, a three-quarters fake image (assuming a 30 to 120 interpolation).
Now actual HFR is fine, its what was shot, the detail and temporal quality are still intact, something that 'smooth'motion is incapable of preserving.
@@zybch Again, understanding the technical of how smooth motion works is interesting but not that important as long as it works and looks good. The end result or how it is displayed is what is important. It is good enough to were I don't mind the shortcoming artifacts, they are not bad enough to bother me. Like I said, smooth motion makes movies look more lifelike that's what is important and why I have it turned on.
@@greattantrum523 this is an odd take to me, because cinematic and life-like aren't the same thing at all.. Having smooth motion doesnt inherently improve a movie experience, and decreases the picture quality around edges particularly.. Games are a different thing entirely because often you are supposed to "be" there, and higher fps means better responsiveness.. But it's good there are options. :D
Yes, I hate “soap opera” effect. It makes everything look like Days of Our Dreary.
Also, yes to some behind the scenes stuff.
It's fine put it slightly up.
How about an unboxing and settings set up on the R646. The options seem to be significantly fewer than on this video.
I've found that warm settings tend to keep whites from looking truly white, usually having a slight beige tint.
Because you're used to blue tinted whites of cold/neutral. On my Sony TV warm setting is blue tinted compared to Expert 1 which is Sony's factory calibrated setting which is close to Warm 2 on many TVs.
I think motion smoothing has it's place, especially in sports like automotive racing, where the AI has a relatively easy time guessing the interpolated frames accurately. I think they should be _broadcast_ at 120fps, if I'm being honest.
Absolutely
Most sports are broadcast at 50 - 60 frames, so they're already much smoother than 24 fps movies and shows.
Thank you for your amazing reviews! I got a new U7H after watching your review and I love it. I just have a problem with it when watching sports where I notice some pixelation around fast moving players or objects. Is that a fault in the TV or something I can fix by changing settings?
in the video he talks about turning off motion smoothing, but watching sports it helps to have it on because objects are moving so fast on the screen.
@@jbcool thank you for the reply. I Had it on initially but that is causing some strange effect around fast moving players which is very annoying.
gone are the days i watch movies in laggy blurry 24fps. ty motion smoothing
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75% of the tv use in our family is gaming, the 120 fps option on many ps5 & Xbox series x games is the main selling point of our tv. 24 fps standard for films is an arbitrary number, just because it is the standard doesn’t mean it should be or that it’s better than a higher frame rate. Video games has me convinced high frame rate is a great thing. I prefer motion smoothing on sports/movies/animated movies
Dude throwing out terminology, traumatizing me all over again like Ms jones, my high school algebra teacher.
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I recently got a new 75 inch tv and years ago when motion smoothing came out, I thought it looked absurd. But now I really enjoy it. It just makes the picture more, smooth lol. Everything looks more realistic and sports looks much better. Needless to say I am sold on it now.
I always turn on motion interpolation/judder reduction/true motion because 24fps and even 30fps looks like stop-motion to me and is super annoying - especially in scenes where the camera is panning. People call that interpolation look "soap operaish" but I call it "realistic and not migraine-inducing" and it is one reason (other than my sound system) that I much prefer watching movies at home rather than in the theater. 24fps is for sadists who like to inflict migraines upon others. Other than that you're spot-on.
Ironically, it’s everything you describe that you hate that causes me migraines. If I look at a TV on display mode in a retail store, I immediately get dizzy and my eyes begin to hurt. If I look for more than a minute the headache begins.
@@SumDumGy In that case, I'm genuinely curious (not being mean): How does watching real life fluid motion not give you migraines?
@@kimvette1 I couldn’t give you an answer. I can only tell you what does, not why, or what doesn’t, not why.
When setting a TV I suggest you turn on a news presentation or a nature program. Then play with the controls. What I like you may not like. 😊
There's a couple of things I would like to say here...Now, before I start I should say that I am a gamer. I don't typically watch TV or movies and neither does my fiancee (she's a gamer as well). With that said, I really hate the warm look on modern displays. It just makes everything look overly orange too me. I also happen to like Auto-Motion Plus when playing games as it makes characters jump off of the screen. If you have a screen that has a great response time everything flows rather nicely. That's just my opinion.