There's No Such Thing as 'Minor' Knee Surgery in the NBA
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Giannis Antetokounmpo underwent a knee 'cleanup' surgery a couple of weeks ago, and i'm here to tell you, there's nothing clean about that.
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Seems like a hell of a lot of sodium in that stuff. Almost as much as a can of Progresso.
So if they instead of removing that damaged tissue they just wait it would heal?
I tore my ACL AND PCL because of a dirty play by a jealous hearted BAN..true.
I had a partial meniscectomy completed on my left knee in high school and ACL reconstruction surgery (football injury). Would there be any potential procedure I should/could get at some point? I'm almost 30 and I don't really have any issues with my knee at the moment, other than slightly less range of motion due to scar tissue, and maintain a healthy and active lifestyle. I just wanna prioritize my long-term health and well-being.
One of the ufc 290 fight is cancelled due to Josiah Harrell having brain disease (moyamoya), possible combat sport death avoided. Expecting a video soon doc.
Anything cartilage always has me concerned, hopefully Giannis can continue to be healthy.
If only he had bought XDC and not Ethereum, he wouldn't have had knee issues!
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Nah he peaked it's all downhill from here in the statline and the games played
@@geert574😂😂😂
Meniscus procedures like this are probably the least concerning knee issue to be honest. I have my right knee done 4 times and left knee once. Luckily for me all of my issues strictly meniscus. I get concerned when there are ligaments and/or tendons involved. They can clean up aka trim and smooth fraying or minor tears and flaps on the meniscus with high success rates and short recovery times. Ligaments and tendons that are injured and surgically repaired never are the same even when fully healed. I would rather break a bone then have ligaments surgically repaired. I honestly think that repetitive cleanups like I have had may have very different root causes that if caught early enough can be easily addressed especially for professional athletes. I think one of the root causes for me has to do with flexibility in areas like my hips, hip flexors, calves, etc which impact body mechanics which over time results in higher stress on joints and muscles. Flexibility also can make you more susceptible to injuries if you fall or land awkwardly from contact during a game.
I saw the title of this video and immediately thought of Dwyane Wade and Lonzo Ball, both of whom weren't the same after meniscectomy on the knee. Wade was able to play after his knee surgery; hopefully Lonzo can return. There is life after their playing days, and at some point the quality of that life must come into question.
Millionaires. That’s the quality of life.
@@malci9779Being a millionaire is even better if you can get out of your occupation with your mobility intact so yes, quality of life comes into question.
@@tiji905 being a millionare is dope but in order to earn this money they put their bodies through hell and back. Still better to have money and injured over no money and injured.
The pressure to come back quicker will effect this type of injury. Further degradation occurs if you do not properly strengthen the surrounding leg muscles during rehab. The severity of the injury ie larger/smaller pieces of cartidlige, determine how invasive of a procedure the knee arthroscopy is.
Bro I don't even hoop had surgery on my meniscus about 4 yrs ago..shit still fucked up had other mri about 2 yrs ago I got more damage now then before
It still amazes me he didn’t suffer a serious knee injury when he hyperextended it in the playoffs that year….
That’s most likely the cause of this so called “clean up”. Hyperextensions are no jokes
That’s why he’s a freak man
Lies again? Hernia Surgery USD SGD
Hey Doc, you think this issue could possibly be related to the Hyperextension he had to the same knee in the 2021 playoffs?
binnnngoooo
Exactly what I was thinking
Makes sense considering the bit about him knowing about the pain for a few years !
100% the fact he came back only a week later is still insane after that injury
He’s done that more than once I think, but not sure yet if it was on the same leg
I seen your tweet and agreed 100! After having multiple surgeries on my left knee, I can confirm there’s no such as a small or minor surgery
I had a cartilage cleanup surgery under my kneecap for a pothole of damaged cartilage. My knee would swell and I would get tightness and pain with long periods of standing or high impact cardio after the surgery. It wasn’t until I transitioned to low impact cardio, cycling, that the swelling and pain decreased. However, the pain and swelling was definitely an improvement post surgery vs. pre surgery.
You’re fr the GOAT Brian. Appreciate all your stuff!!
Giannis has been slowly breaking down the last few years. He better develop a post game fast or a reliable jumper
Been saying this for the past few years
Facts
He should contact kd to work on pull up jumpers
@@lucaswalker7271 they said "slowly" lol, plus he missed more games than usual this season.
@@lucaswalker7271😂😂😂
When I was younger I asked my sports medicines doctor if I could get surgery for my knee that's been hurting me since my early 20s due to multiple injuries. And I was told "if you aren't making millions as a pro, don't get cleanup surgery because you're trading off your long term knee heath for short term performance. So unless it's for a living, the best thing is just to grin and bear it and keep playing amateur level basketball on your sore knee. You'll have much less pain in the long term. Surgery will only give you maybe 5 good years before you're worse off than before having it."
Damn
That kinda sucks. My knees are the same way and I'd love to continue to play basketball without pain. Hopefully one day we'll find a way to fix the cartilage with no long term issues.
@@AllDay3004 Mine is tendon damage rather than cartilage so it's hard to say generically - but the pain _mostly_ went away on its own after like 20+ yrs. I asked when I was 30, and I'm 46 now and still play adult league basketball at a pretty high level. Pain in my knee kept getting less and less since my mid 30s until it finally went away entirely.
Sure, I jump like Jokic now, but otherwise I have no problems getting up and down the court, positioning for rebounds, setting quick screens, making good passes, hook shots, fadeaways, etc. Doc told me to just stay active and keep icing the knee down nightly. Inflammation is worse than the injury usually. And that's what I did.
@@jakestine4753 so did you ice everyday? Or just days you played? Doc has been telling me this, along with losing weight but even when I did that, it didn't seem to help much. I didn't do it for months at a time though. Usually I'd try the RICE method for about a month at a time
You also forgot, you should be doing resistance training on that knee. Surgery will always depend. As long as you follow protocol and do your rehab religiously then you are good.
I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge about all of these sports related injuries. As an amateur athlete it’s really interesting to learn. Thanks doc 🙏🏻
Amazing work Doc... I myself have cartilage defect on the central trochlea.... so I know that pain... but nothing really is a "small procedure" 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Love the content doc. As a pre-med college student I love learning anything I can! Thank you
Whatever he sacrificed in the 2021 playoffs to get back healthy, after that knee hyperextension, and win that championship, i think it now wants its tribute :]...
Excellent video!!!
Informative and entertaining.
See you in the next one!!
Interesting video. I had a specialist recommend the same procedure in 2016 as i was getting a lot of knee pain. I decided to get a second opinion and the second specialist told me that a risk to me from an arthroscopy wasn't worth it. I ended up resting the knee for 8 months instead and then came back to sports injury and pain free for the next 4 years. Elite athletes though don't have the luxury of taking 8 months off.
Actually... they do, specially the Giannis FRANCHISE PLAYER Antetokoumpo's of the world. Most franchises and teams all around the world, would wait whats needed for a franchise caliber player to be 100% and ready. Thing is, tell that to the players! Its the players, not the teams (Most of the times) who want to be ready to rock asap.
Why most players, specially franchise caliber players want to comeback so fast? Cuase of the "mamba mentality", that mental problem that elite players have, that adiction to compete.
Just look at KD example, nigga was off for over a season, and the nets waited for him, why? Its KD ffs, i would wait for him too. Look at the Bulls waiting for Zo, not even in the conversation with Giannis and KD, and still the Bulls are waiting for him, hell, look at what the bulls went throught just waiting and hoping for a healthy DRose (never happened saddlY)
Well done as always doctor. Very informative. When I heard "routine" cleanup surgery on the knee I got concerned as well. Hopefully Giannis can have a long healthy career as he's a great talent and a great person.
Amazing doc, loves your RUclips channel. I myself have done this "small" surgery.
Can you do a video on mike trouts hand surgery he had recently?
could you please explain how the exercises from knee over toes (specifically atg split squat) work on the knees
lov your videos an ur explanation
Had a lateral menisectomy at 16 and I have arthritis at 24
Sounds like Chondromalacia Patellae. I see this often with motor vehicle accident that result in patella to dashboard impacts.
I was scheduled for meniscectomy in January this year... my gut feeling was the same, if the doctor goes in there is to shave the meniscus as if it's not a big deal.
After a break and cold plunges, the pain went away, I started training with elastic bands, recovered my knee muscles balance and then added cycling and rollerblading to train the knee from different angles.
My problems went away with no surgery.
can I dm you?? I'd like to know more about your recovery as I am in a similar predicament right now
do you have an email or something, i have some knee pain now as well
Just do the kneesovertoes
The reality that no one teaches us athletes is that the nature of what we do eventually leads to a breakdown of our bodies. There is a point of diminishing returns with being ultra active that people don’t talk about, your joints just breakdown. Even if your someone who most often takes care of yourself and has a recovery protocol. You can be too active. Exert too much. There’s a line.
For real. As with all things, moderation. There is such a thing as being too active and too athletic to where the body just cannot recover and cannot keep up.
Nah man. Most amateur will never ever exert as much as pros. Theres a reason they are pros and amateurs are amateurs. Dont believe yourself that you can match physical exertion of any pros out there mate. Amateurs work is pros warm up thats it. Goggins is ultra active and has banged up knee and heart surgery and in great shape. Theres no such thing as ultra active. Our body is meant to move.
@@PhiyackYuh well I can attest through my own empirical life experience that tens of thousands of barbell squats have broken down my knees. We’re talking heavy heavy barbell squats with rep ranges of up to 20 or 30. But yeah, let me trust what some anon on the internet says who knows nothing about me. Just because I’m not a pro athlete doesn’t mean I don’t train hard pleb.
Good post
@@NpcAvoider becaues lifting weights is not natural.. you are isolating your muscles when doing it . Compared to moving where you are moving your whole body as one
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I hope the best for Giannis good player and excellent character
Can you do a video on Mike Trout’s hand injury please
Knowing Giannis he will probably keep playing at 100% speed and intensity until he's in a wheelchair.
Same😢
Hey Doc, can you please do the bellator 292 fight with Michael venom page vs Goiti Yamauchi and the kick to the knee!? I'd be very interested to know how that happened. Enjoy the content
Different from what I understood "cleanout" procedures to be. I've always thought of them as being an attempt to flush out floating debris. In fact, I've read that studies have shown that much of the time little if nothing is accomplished by them. This pruning of cartilage, however, is new to me. Thanks.
Would load management and decreasing his minutes per game help? Thank you as always. Keep up the great job.✌🏿🙏🙌🤗
Kinda wondering now what if Giannis did not get injured. Would we have seen Giannis vs. Joker? That would have been a really competitive Finals series.
Can you make a video about the problems of Dwyane Wades knee when he was playing
Thanks, doc! Have had cartilage transplants and many issues resulting from pretty sever osteochondritis. That traumatic arthritis is real
I'm scheduled for TKR in 2 weeks. I had my 1st arthroscopy at 20 and a follow up at 50. I would suggest that you don't touch the meniscus as it only gets worse over time. I wish I had known this when I was 20.
Crazy stuff
These NBA players are just tough man. I went a surgery in my knees a long time ago because of foolish running. It took a year to fully recover from that injury. I know that I can run again and can play basketball and stuff but there's that mental thing in my mind that if I do too much, it might happen again. Thinking about it again gives me goosebumps.
What are some alternative treatments that don’t involve a knee “clean out”?
Great info and vid Doc!
westbrook used to have these procedurs like evrry offseason for 3 yeas after patrck bverly messed up his knee. seems to be good now though.
Hello Doc! Do you believe symptoms around the knee such as soreness or pain (caused by injury) can be treated with non-surgical interventions? For example shockwaves (ESWT) or PRP injections?
the dame jersey on the skeleton 🥲
do nordic curls it will prevent alot of knee injuries..knees over toes guy is right!
What about removing scar tissue if you are prone to grow more than normal. After recovering from surgery. Would that be the same to removing cartilage?
What's the alternative to cleaning when pain comes too often? Infiltrations?
Giannis will clearly regress in a few years because of this. I can’t see him being in his early to mid 30s and still putting up big games with his knee issues. 😮
It's more his physicality rather than his knee problems, if he had much more shooting ability then he would be able to extend his career
@@jasonrichardson1999LeBron still dominates at 38 years old without having a consistent jumper. Great ones always find a way.
@@gmr6898 lebron also is a one in a century physical freak,the man hasn't had many injuries
@@gmr6898 Bron's innate natural basketball IQ also helped him control and impact the game without having to consistently make jumpshots or put his body on the line as much as Giannis for so long
@@gmr6898 That's a bit disingenuous. LeBron started his career like Giannis, where it was mostly bully ball and rim running, but over time he developed a jumper.
Hi Brian,
Any books you could recommend?
Doc, any inside info on where that skeleton behind you will be traded to?
Aside from my trauma surgery that was medically necessary - every "cleanup" procedure afterward left me worse off, with more pain, more problems, worse cartilage problems, and most of all really painful deep scar tissue. Only thing that's helped it has been the saving grace of regenerative medicine - like prolotherapy, PRP and some of the various nerve procedures, as well as some of the off-shoots that are offered to reduce scar tissue, inflammation, help heal soft tissue damage, and so on. I went from not being able to walk for a long time to having several of my joints function again. I think one day we won't cut for everything, because at best people are healthy and can handle it, but for some of us, it's a devastating thing that can take decades to undo the damage of what we once thought was a good idea and no big deal. I'm especially grateful that I had a surgeon who recognized I was too young and not a good candidate for joint replacement because that's what they were pushing for, and now I know that is something that I wouldn't have had a prayer of a good outcome with.
I'd like to see a video like this on Lonzo or Kawhi.
Hey doc by daily running in future I may suffer from cartilage loss plz answer
I’m going for surgery to clean up scar tissue from a Brachial plexus injury I had when I was born. It’s definitely a relatively big surgery.
what's the name of surgery and where is your scar tissue located?
thank u
This is random but if you see this I think you should do a video explaining what happened to Brandon Roy and his knee issues. It’s a sad story of what could have been given his tremendous abilities
So essentially when the small flaps of cartilage are taken out, there is a loss in short term pain?
It could just be a fat pad removal. I had that 5weeks ago and their was no cartilage removed just fat that was poking my acl
So, I'll probably get lambasted for posting this. 'But' 40 years ago at 25 years old, my knees were shot. HS Sports, Military, Construction. My diagnoses was cartilage loss, Bone on bone with my right knee and degeneration of cartilage on my left knee. My sports doctor was talking a knee replacement. Taking more than three steps up a set of stairs was excruciating. As well my elbow and wrists were in chronic pain also. Long story short, I was willing to try anything.
I Read a book about a vet using ground chicken cartilage for farm animals, and it worked so well, the farmers started taking it. 'Well' for some reason, "ground chicken" cartilage is impossible to find. Seems it might even be a controlled substance. The book said this, and said that ground beef cartilage, 'Unflavored gelatin' was the next best thing. The book said take one or two tablespoons daily mixed with 16 oz's water an a little juice added for the acid and taste. It said you had to take it every day and you would start to feel a difference in three months, and in six months you could even be pain free.
Well, 40 years later, I have been literally pain free ever since. I don't work for a Gelatin company like Knox. I fact, they started charging more and more for their product, so I buy it in bulk online. You have to take it everyday for the rest of your life though. Fair trade for great knees and joints. I mean what do you have to lose? But your pain..
It's my sacred cow.
Best wishes, safe travels.
Would love to know the books name?
@@j.rjunior5584 "Dead doctors don't lie". The author's angle is, however an expensive vitamin line including liquid colloidal minerals. (Glacial milk) The gelatin worked though, the rest I never tried. I wasn't looking at wanting to live to 103- or more. Just wanted quality of life.
Good luck.
Giannis about to become Hakeem The Dream 2.0 !
Work on that Dream Shake G.A. You gonna be alright keep workin’
Wont happen
Cartilage doesn't grow back. You "clean it up", there becomes less of it. As Doc correctly pointed out, short term gains over long term health.
I had knee arthroscopy to shave a a little flap on my upper condyle. Was persuaded by the "minor" surgery sales pitch. Knee has never been the same since. I'm in my 30s but my knee joint feels like it's 100 years old. Captain crunch over here 😅
Doc, make a video explaining what Curry’s doctors did right regarding his ankles.
Have doctors come up with an effective meniscus replacement yet? Most knee problems seem to be meniscus related
let me know lol
The Doug demuro time stamps😂😂😂 good one
I had arthroscopies on both knees. They were never the same afterwards. Hope its not the same for Giannis.
Did you remove meniscus, loose bodies? Do you get knee pain?
@@jalenmcintyre1660 actually i had meniscus stapled back together and yeah my knees hurt and are no good.
@@jalenmcintyre1660 stapled with dissolving metal pin things.
@@razzaus1570 how do you cope in life? I have removed loose bodies and meniscus. Do you just try to be active with gym and cycling and then manage the pain? Wishing you all the best
@@jalenmcintyre1660 honestly i dont work out at all i gave up sports and stuff with the knee injuries.
Is anyone else hearing a subtle cracking sound in the video?, I hope it's just me or that at least it can be solved soon
Couple years ago Kyrie did cleanup on his knee & removed the wire too. Wonder what that was about..
Doc can you talk about Lonzo ball situation??
If you’ve had pain in your kneecap from a hyperextension(mri negative) that’s stopped u from being active would u opt for a surgery like this(25 yr old)? Tried Physical therapy and seems like exhausted every option. Just want to be able to play sports again
If it’s just patellofemoral pain syndrome you might benefit from controlled weight training slowly ramping up to things you’re comfortable with.
I also had a hyperextension injury with PFPS but I went back to my orthopedic and found I had Posterolateral instability that I needed surgery on
everytime you open kneecap to do anything its REALLY BAD. 2 arthroscopies and knee was never the same first or second time.
I just had a knee arthroscopy to remove two loose bodies this video lowkey spooked me
Arthritis always sounded so trivial until I got it. Take it from me, it's no joke.
As the owner of a merely pre-arthritic left knee, I can confirm this.
you got an xray to know if you have arthritis?
I've had ACL replacement in both knees. One at 40 and the other near 60. They're not for sissies.
The second when I was older the doctor said, "we don't do ACL
surgery on someone your age". I was like, well ok but I'm still very active. Still ski at a high level and race dirt bikes. He was like, "let's do PT and let the medial collateral heal, then we'll see where you are". After seven weeks of PT and a letter from my physical therapist(have no idea what he wrote), the doc comes in and says..."So, when do you want to do this ACL"?
Rumour is in Greece there's no knee injury in general and it's all pr bs because Giannis doesn't want to join the national team. It's also been used as an excuse before and when the basketball federation asked for his tests the bucks refused to send them. It was a big controversy back then. Also giannis this summer is pushing some of his commercial deals and is doing tours to promote them.
We dont hear about the knee micro fracture surgery anymore. Guess that surgery was a failure. Need a video on that. Pretty sure those limited and ended Amare's career.
Also do you do video's on baseball players injuries, like their throwing shoulder.
I don’t remember which video it was, but there’s one where he actually does talk about those microfracture surgeries, and he goes pretty in depth - to give you the overall gist of what he said, those surgeries ultimately proved to be largely ineffective and often caused more problems than they solved (so in other words, ‘that surgery was a failure’, just as you guessed).
Shortened Gilbert Arena's career as well.
Is this the same knee that was injured a few years ago?
he was recently seen on the court coaching in china doing dribble moves moving like normal no cast or nothing im sure it was minor and he is fine!
So what is the alternative to these procedures?
Probably a combination of prophilaxys, better body mechanics and a meniscal repair if after all that the meniscus still manages to tear. For example derrick rose wouldnt have had to stop his peak performance so abruptly if he had cared about his landing mechanics
@heox123 you can have great mechanics but when you're cutting and exploding trying to guard your man it won't help. You're going to mess up your cartilage. I agree with the meniscus they can probably repair it more than trim it down. Unless it's a bucket tear of the meniscus, they have to shave it down.
No professional escapes wear and tear.
especially for the taller players
why'd you remove Lonzo from the thumbnail?
Liked before I even saw the video. Thank you! They need to change this narrative spinning.
1:03 I believe Giannis has had a chronic knee for a while now
What we can learn from the Newspaper written in GREEK LETTERS (at least the headline) is Jack Sh..
Ask Brandon Roy about this…Todd Gurley…Terrell Davis…the list is very long.
Oh no 🙈 Gianni’s gonna have a hard time after season 15 if true
But, I mean, but he was in China doing commercials 5 days ago.. with this brothers, even did some performances 😮
Giannis playing last summer after winning a ring ruined his knee for sure not getting rest is just asking for problem
Do you think his hyperextension a couple years ago has any causation on his knee problems today?
Great point/question.
Going into the knee or back is never minor. Going into the body period isn't ever minor. The thing that bothered me was they called it "routine". I don't think they know what routine means. And if it is truly routine that's an issue. Is this something he's been getting done? Is he going to be doing this every other summer for the rest of his career?
The same with Paul George's recent injury?
Mj Kobe VC dwade all slashers who changed their style later in their career Giannis has to adapt his game to get better at midrange at least father time always wins and your athleticism won't last forever
Do you now your being broadcasting to alliens😂😂
Interesting one of the people who owns the bucks sold his share of team around the time of the surgery.
Please interpret “knee cleanup” the same as “car cleanup” or “pc cleanup” 😂
Lmnt should change their logo because it looks almost the same as dazn logo, so they wouldn’t get sued.
How do professional athletes bounce back so quickly after these types of injuries?
They don’t typically require long term healing like a fully ruptured knee ligament. However it still leaves a lasting effect on the “lifespan” of the knee whenever cartilage meant to protect structures from loads is removed. The knee will eventually be in poor condition which can be best exemplified by players like Kawhi Leonard or Lonzo Ball who have had extensive histories of knee surgery or in some cases “clean-ups”
@@evhnic thanks for the information! That makes sense I appreciate it
@@evhnic any books you could recommend?
What about plasma injections to knee cartilage?
Good for pain but doesn’t do anything to ‘fix’ or change the cartilage
@@BrianSuttererMD is it better to try strengthening knee before deciding for plasma injections or just get them now and continue working your knee.
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Dr. Sutterer does air quotes in this video 🤭
Once you start, it always gets worse. RIP knees and joints
Giannis will be fine
He definitely shouldn’t play in the FIBA this year and simply work on his post game and jumper
Thank you