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Amusing seeing BZ call others 'normies', the irony being people who do actual work with fleets of servers look at the hobby as a 'normie' thing. Every 'normie' is someone's Alpha.
I'd say using any number of boards at stock settings in servers is an extremely normal use case for a motherboard and therefore.....
very
very
normie.
Servers still rocking them jdec specs
This is where the b550 master is a good board for normies as duel bios is not a bad thing. Going for the extreme OCs it isn't the best, but they are not doing that.
@@jeremyatienza1676 even server can going down even you run them at jedec specs
@@el-danihasbiarta1200 correct.. so whats below normie? lol
"That motherboard is literally in the BLOODY LIST MAN!" - Buildzoid, bloody awesome.
Someone needs to post this section of the video to that reddit guy hahahaha
3 ‘buildzoid’ videos in a short space of time totalling ~4 hrs of content. Love it
"GN limits me to 30min so I gotta make an 1h video so I can ramble some more"
In fact 2 hours and 22 minutes :D
And i love every minute of it :-)
@@laurikuusisto5580 Counting both videos makes it 3 hours 29 minutes? Or was there a third one with rambling about rambling?
@@sliwa95 add 29 minutes due to the clarification thingy
Random guys on GN : good job GN editing to cut short Bullzoid 2 hours rambling into 30 mins video 😁
Same guys also: why my mobo wasn't featured????
It sucks people's attention span is so low that you need to sacrifice quality content to the Algorithm God of Y.T.
*Watch longer videos completely mfers* , you may learn something and the Algorithm God will demand less of the creaters hard work be sacrificed.
Take a shot every time BZ interrupts himself with "Well, actually..." halfway through the first sentence of a response.
I'd rather not die today
BZ is the only person in this space who is allowed to say “well, acktchually” and be able to be taken seriously
Better idea: take a shot for every X570 Tomahawk mention.
"The thing is" kinda works except you'll die from alcohol poisoning.
srnd hrlp pants hsvr brrn shat
1 hour and 7 minutes.
YES.
normally agreed, however the whining is too much for me. Couldn't even make it 5 minutes in .
deminybs To each their own, friend.
Great Job, Buildzoid you're recommendation are great.
i appreciate your effort for covering best motherboard for different use. in the end people choose motherboard for a different purpose in mind some do hard overclocking, some just running at stock, some just make sure it would be faster to loading import media on adobe premiere and not freezing because they work near the deadline and don't wanna stress out, and other have different purposes
Making a 1h video about a 30' video. Here we go
Everyone's asking about the Tomahawk coz it was the most popular board in the B450 series. Arguably the most selling board of that gen too. So people are basically expecting the new generation boards to follow suit. But the problem is that board sold for $110 and it performed pretty well for its price, while the b550/x570 tomahawks sell for close to $180/$220 and there are better boards at these price points even for Normies!...Get over tomahawk ffs!
I don’t know of any x570 board with the high end VRM the Tomahawk has for under $400.
THANK you. had to tell off so many people who said they're buying it and I just have to keep asking "why? what does it do that you want that this [insert cheaper board here] doesn't"? happens all the time :( and they never have an answer
I'll freely admit, the B450 Tomahawk (Max) was the first MSI board I ever bought partly because it was receiving such positive assessment. Until then I'd mostly used ASUS and Asrock, with a dribble of Gigabyte. I'd say MSI's B450 rep is well deserved, I was impressed. This doubtless leads to better consideration for that brand in the future, eg. I bought an MSI B450M Mortar Max for an HTPC build, but I doubt I would have done that if I'd never bought the B450 Tomahawk Max. I couldn't find an MSI board that matched my needs for a daily system though, opted for an Asrock X470 Taichi which I'd used before, while for a pro user friend I opted for an Asrock X570 Pro4.
Thus, rep can certainly make a difference, but often it's not the dominating factor for a final decision. Having said that, there are certainly those who stick to a brand and that's it. I can understand that, for a long time I used ASUS and Asrock boards, but in recent years I became less and less enamoured of ASUS, seemed like they were moving away from what once made their original Maximus Extreme series so good (such as the M4E). Asrock isn't immune to dumbassery though, such as the Taichi & Ultimate both having POST debug LED, but only the Ultimate has power/reset buttons even though both boards have the relevant contacts.
Ah time for buildzoid to get in a fight with some redditors
Both sides are sure they know what they're talking about. One of the actual does.
>reddit
@@lawliot If redditors of all people are too capitalistic to you, then time travel is the only solution comrade.
Reddit is full of far left keyboard warriors.
@@nexushexus4365 you can't express your opinion on the site. If you say something different from everybody else in the thread you get downvoted to hell. Cancerous website.
I really love your video man, please keep it coming!
Tl;dr "Why didn't msi tomahawk x570 make the list?"
Great video and thanks again for answering my mobo questions on the quake-ish game stream on twitch :) unify arrived and 5950x ready to go, gonna build today!
Great video for me to listen while cooking, thank you Buildzoid
Buildzoid I really love your channel and work dude keep it up I'm addicted.
I love rambling Buildzoid. I always learn something
that first comment from the room temp iq redditor had me laughing. I love these type of videos
Bomb king
@@Golden_AceDBD exactly :)
AAAAAHHH
I DIED
@@pcoverthink exactly what I was going to say, that one is going in to my roll-a-dex of insults.
Great video as always
Hey BZ! Love the videos, keep up the great work!
Just wanted to share why I purchased an MSI x570 Tomahawk: I was torn between the TUF Gaming (WiFi) and the Tomahawk, but the bios was what pushed me toward MSI. Easy of use is worth the extra $30, to me anyway!
Buildzoid vs the youtube comment section.
This will be good.
i'm a noobie when it comes to OverClocking Processors butt in the near future i will go all out & build a Sweet Rig and take it to the next level, watching You're videos has helped me alot. OverClocking memory modules & changing timings, etc ... has challenged me the most Compared to graphic cards & Cpu's butt i'll get it Sooner or later. Thanx for the Knowledge.
Side Note : i Practice on my Current Rig without getting to aggressive as my Pc is average for 2021.
Ryzen 7 3700x
Xpg 32gb Ram
Msi Mpg x570
Xpg Sx8100 M.2
Msi Mag 240r AIO
Evga 600w 80+ Gold
Msi Optix 27" 144hz
Msi Rtx 2060 8gb SUPER
I can explain the Tomahawk need: We are sold on the marketing. I wanted a b450+3000 series combo in mATX.. I found out with extensive finding the Mortar max is my best bet (Even considered what i loose if i fill the Sata/m2/PCIe combos on several boards etc...), yet i managet to not get it. All the avaible b450 x470 era videos were about, "you not really need x470, b450 is enough", then we got the x570 MBs: "if you do not need PCIe 4.0, b450 is good enough... What is the best b450 allrounder on low enoug price, the Tomahawk, tomahawk, tomahawk, we heard it everywhere...
Now as the new stuff dropped, in bigger numbers, we expect, to have the old goodie, be still be the best goodie... and we remember names, not reasoning.
I watched all 3 videos from you now, but still the first thing what i would say for my needs "is a mortar", because i wanted a mortar, i wanted it for more than a year, but i heard it might not be the best for me in the actual minute only for 3-4 hours...
Normies and normie+-es are just work like this :)
*[BZ's frustration intensifies]*
What about Crosshair VIII Impact Mini DTX? Is that motherboard good enough for overclocking?
Thanks to Your previous +2h long video I started to look more closely on features that comes with every motherboard i'm interested in. For this I had to make small spreadsheet list with features I expect from board and thanks to it I canceled B550 Master order (dual-bios and no font C-type USB). Now I'm looking for B550 Strix E-Gaming or AORUS B550 Pro V2 because they have what I need at this point.
People are obessed with the X570 Tomahawk because everyone and their mother recommended the B450 Tomahawk. The power of name recognition...
Finally 1H video. Full BZ experience
Didn’t mind gamer nexus video at all. I was wondering what mobo to make my friends pc with, your suggestions were very helpful.
2:12 lmao
Damn I should've started a Tomahawk mentioned counter for this oh well
bUt tOmAhAwK wAs tHe bEsT lAsT gEn aNd i lOvE bRaNdInG
*Take a shot everytime the tomahawk is mentioned.*
*Dies of alcohol poisoning.*
I love how his level of rage just kept going up as people kept talking about the Tomahawk. Towards the end of the video I was laughing so hard every time it was mentioned.
If he has a problem with people mentioning the tomahawk he shouldn't have a video dedicated to raving about it's vrm
@@sharki9876 bad logic
I'm only 2min in; but initial thoughts. So what if it was (I know it wasn't) an OC perspective? If a board is built to handle an OC it will just last that much longer at stock! All of your choices were explained nicely in yesterdays video; really liked the discussion on the various memory topologies.
I hope another motherboard roundup is coming because I want another rant video to go with it. 😆🤣
Very minor detail but at 46:40 the Aorus Pro AX does have an internal type-C and is exactly the same as the Pro V2 but with WiFi 6. The older Aorus Pro AC is the one without type-C.
I have to say I feel pretty lucky that so far I did not encounter USB issues on my X570, hopefully it will stay that way.
This is real fun to watch. BZ tells me everything I wanted to know.
Thanks buildzoid for putting this video. I saw your video on GN and I was like... "Oh no! I already bought a ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming 3 weeks ago and is not even in the list of BZ recommended motherboards." But this video open my eyes, the mother board bought cover my needs, I dont need that much peripherals but I do prefer the Intel 2.5G Lan and Thunderbolt header that I will totally use, so I paid a bit extra.
58:25 Is it weird that I want this as my notification sound? Something about BZ screaming out "STEEVE" in pure agony just gets to me.
The Tomahawk was one of the first with an impressive VRM, so it got a lot of coverage.
People looking for good motherboards are still finding that coverage today.
Heck, I was considering it for a while!
But now you can barely find the damn things, and since the Aorus has more USB (by, like, a metric buckton), and is also available in WiFi (somewhat important to me), as well as trading blows with all the "normie" features, you successfully changed my mind, saved me a few bucks, and pointed me to an MB that's actually available! Thanks BZ!
Bill, zoid your your very accurate and your description of everything you've ever put on the internet. You give all the pros and cons whether you're overclocking or not. I'm building my system based off of your not overclocking recommendations and it's looking like a pretty stout system
I've been critical of you in the past BZ but thanks to you, I know a lot more about overclocking and thus am confident buying p much anything from eBay now to that end. Just got a B550 Aorus Pro V2 on accident - seller showed a B550-f rog strix that I was willing to accept because it came with a R7 3700x lol. Am REALLY happy.
Love this and I also the enjoyed the original video.
I used the asus x570i gaming motherboard because of your previous review :) its excellent
Happy with x570 aorus elite.
Previous video: "I am sick and tired of answering questions about motherboards"
Because they already bought the tomahawk and want you to tell them good job.
He also highly praised it in his review.
it's a great board, MSI had to release it due to their colossal fuckup of the gaming edge and pro carbon boards. they totally flubbed on the VRMs of those two boards and Hardware Unboxed actually had MSI reach out to them and confirm the problem.
The Tomahawk was the answer. I don't know if they stopped production on the two bad boards or not, but the tomahawk replaces them at the price point they held.
Hey Buildzoid appreciate your ramblings on many topics. About the B550 Gaming Edge, it's not really a B550 A Pro upgrade. It's very much an upgraded B550 TOMAHAWK with extra Rear IO and WiFi 6 + BT.
Also, I picked up a mint, used Phanteks P600S (2019) which has a 10Gbps Front type C port. Much better having a type C on the front than the rear IO.
32:47 THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM!
Love the content bz c:
I choose the B550m PRO-P over the rest (b550m pro4 for example) cause of spacing between pci-e slot and the cpu (cause of the NH-D15 being a chonker)
Right now, there's nothing better than watching this video after having read the comments yourself and hearing BZ ramble about them.
first timer here, I'm looking at the asus prime x570-pro but was wondering if the vrm or anything about the board would hold 5900x back while PBO is enabled, or would the ROG STRIX-E be a better fit. I intend to use the 5900x for both gaming and music production. Saves me money with a dual use system and as a side not i do like the look of the X570-pro which is why I'm looking at that one
Thx for upload, i needed a cheap laugh.
i 'd love to see a video about the cheapest b550 boards from each of the big brands ( GB, MSI, ASUS, ASROCK )
that would be the GB b550m S2H, ASROCK B550M-HDV, MSI B550M Pro, ASUS Prime B550M-K.
Just performance, and casual OC with watercooling. no matter if it has fancy postcodes - or millions M.2 Slots.
Just a simple board for gaming and light overclocking.
In the uk the B550 Aorus Pro AX (v2 but with wifi) is literally the same price as the x570 Tomahawk, sad times because I love the rear IO on that Aorus, but at the same price I might as well go for the X570 option
Just you carry on, new boards come out and having looked at your recommendations its brought to light that the Aorus pro v2 will do what most punters need at a reasonable cost. Hardware Unboxed also found the Aorus pro to run its VRM cool when driven hard so I will assume the V2 version will. What more could you want, max out a 3950x and 5000 + memory clock with an M.2 PCIe 4 pushing reads of up to 7000 and writes up to 5300 it just leaves you to chuck a RX 6800 in for some 4k gaming. As for Ray tracing WTF its got some way to go yet.
BZ is a proper react andy now.
Hey guys,
What step by step (with some explaining on the way) guide would you recomend for mem overclocking? Im not new to gpu and cpu overclocking, but i have no clue where to start with the memory, how to stress test etc. Not going for records (probably not even possible with my dominator platinum), just want to tune as best as i can for 24/7 use. Gaming only. Im on z490 apex (got a really good deal, if you want to ask why the hell if i know nothing about mem)
If I remember correct the x570 TUF pro has improved memory performance over the Tomahawk?
Was looking to hear about the MSI X570 Unify
Hey BZ , I really learn alot from you and your videos. I am like so many other people.
I don't have enough technical education to know just by looking at a motherboard as to what quality parts to look for . Or the layout of the sector of the board .I know the basics but YOU have a more detailed understanding.
So why don't you make a list of features which include newer advancements and design specifications?
Things like power phases, RAM layout ,pcb layers ,sata ports ,Type 'C',thunderbolt, M.2 bios button,post indicator,and any other highly beneficial design features that you would ask a board manufacturer to build? This reminds me of the 1960's~70's.
You could go into any car dealership and sit down with a salesman and go through the options list and pick what ever you wanted.
Now today you can't even order a 5~6 speed manual Transmission .
So we are forced to buy some car that has a great motor, but a weak transmission. Or a crappy engine but a good transmission. And you have no other choices.
So now we are yet again stuck in the stupid zone .
So please BZ ,sit down and with your vast knowledge base ,write your design specifications down .
Corporations don't like to be forced into doing anything that cost them money unless they have overwhelming competition from someone who builds a better mousetrap for less money.
It's people like you who are more knowledgeable and thus more credible to be a voice of change .
Can you imagine if your design concepts were warmly received by a small third party manufacturer who was able to bring to market within 2 years and for a 2 tier pricing of $225.00. For a feature packed entry level mobo,and a $500.00 mobo that has more capabilities geared for extreme enthusiasts.
That would do away with all this '3 wheel cars ' .or .5 bathrooms .Yes you can have either a toilet or a bathtub ,but not both.
Just by listening to you talk ,I think its achievable .
I wanted to ask this on the GN video but i forgot, how hard would it be to hit 4x8GB 3800Mhz-4000Mhz with low timings on most of these boards? (Specially with TUF Pro or Tomahawk). I am planning on getting a 5950x.
I ended up getting the x570 aorus ultra because I got two dead unify boards that i had to return and just gave up on msi and asked for the ultra instead lol.
hey man. got a question for the memory king. i had an x570 gaming plus, then switched for a gaming edge wifi(before i seen the reviews but so far vrm thermals are good). but through both boards and 2 sets of memory, i have a persisting issue. the memory is 3200 mhz trident z white . i think cl16 . but if i try and enable xmp i lose display, and then i have to clear cmos to get it back. i also tried 3000mhz and locked the voltage to 1.4 . and then it works , but i will lose the display again randomly and have to restart it. im running a 5800x and a 3080 ventus. i swapped everything except power supply which is a 750 focus gold seasonic. and i have another replacement on the way just in case. my question is, is the intel certified trident z just horrible with my choice of boards and cpu. or would it be something else causing this issue?. i really dont want to run 2166 mhz on a 5800x. am i going to have to switch memory to amd certified?. i have asked numerous people and tried everything else i could think off. i really hope it isnt the gpu for obvious reasons. but xmp effecting a gpu seems like a far fetch
So, I had something that might be relevant for you. I was messing with my memory settings and after my 2end monitor refused to output anything. Just black. I figured I fried my motherboard but it didnt make any sense to me why only my second display wouldnt work if my mobo was deas.
As it turned out I broke my display port cable from putting to much strain on it when I was clearing the cmos. So go and check your cable!
I am so proud to be a normie and so pleased to learn from Buildzoid videos! Got my b550 aorus pro yesterday, much more better than my b450 thomahawk for ram but not for cpu perf (I think it's due to agesa update). Also, the b550 aorus pro is a board not compatible with huge air cooler for GPU (like the arctic accelero extrem iv....), if you have that kind of cooler like me you should consider a vertical mount for the GPU. Greatings!
2 weeks ago i was deciding to buy aorus pro v2 or tomahawk b550. They have same price in europe. Ended up with tomahawk, found deal with m2 500gb ssd for free.
Not gonna be doing any HC OC so im perfectly happy.
Thing is, buy whatever is decent for your needs and you can find good deal for it.
quick question: steve said that it is beneficial to fill up all, in his case 4, dimm slots with zen3. is this b/c dual rank vs single rank? would i achieve the same on a b550 unify x (2 dimm slots) when i'm about to get a 2x16 kit anyway?
ty for the great content
IMHO, random 4K IOPS perf is way more important than sequent rw performance. Unfortunately, optane doesn't really have any SSD competitive in price and size so far.
In Europe the MSI Tomahawk costs 190 euro including tax and the TUF costs 212. So Tomahawk all the way in the x570 category( running a 3950x )
Europian countries like Greece, Portugal, Denmark, Finland and Estonia are members of the EU. While others like Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and UK aren't (well, UK is officially still only trying to escape...).
European countries like Spain, France and Italy have Euro (€) as their currency. While others like Norway, Sweden, Poland, Switzerland and UK don't. Neither of those groups have unified VAT, but country-specific. Also, as countries and economies, all of those countries mentioned are are very, very different from Albania.
For example, MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI seems to be ~220...230 € here in Finland (24% VAT included). You can get Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS for ~170 €, although normally it hovers around the same price. X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi) is ~30 € extra. It would help to avoid confusion, if it'd be clear which Tomahawk is compared to which TUF:
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk
MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PRO (WI-FI)
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi)
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS
Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS
Asus TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS
Asus TUF B450-PRO GAMING
Asus TUF B450-PLUS GAMING
Asus TUF B450M-PRO GAMING
@@eukariootti1 Slovenia-Eu . MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI 190 euro, Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi) 212 euro(both including tax 22%)
Question: do you think the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 WiFi VRMs can handle a PBO 5900X? I currently have a 2700X in it, and I'm planning to upgrade for that sweet multi core juice
Agree on overclocking on the x570 taichi. I bought I cause the feature set and vrms seemed good, and it was very pretty.
Pain in the ass to overclock on, chipset fan died in less than a year, and the rgb software hard crashes the system if you try to run it.
Hi buildzoid, thanks for the video. Regarding people's fixation on the X570 Tomahawk, you should consider some things to better understand it: first of all, you praised it in your preview/PCB breakdown video of it and commented at the end that it could become your go-to board for overclocking or something to that effect. Secondly, many enthusiasts might be attracted to the smart power stages configuration compared to the similarly priced competitor boards because they like the assurance of having the most accurate VRM readings possible in HWiNFO64 when tuning their systems, be it all-core OC or PBO optimization. Thirdly, and you have touched on it a couple of times, it makes more sense for your EU-based viewers based on the price difference here.
It's strange how the price ordering is different in Europe. BZ's Newegg list has the Asrock X570 Pro4 more expensive than the Steel Legend, but in the UK the Pro4 is significantly cheaper.
Asus TUF gaming x570-pro is more than 60 dollars expensive than the... *drum roll* X570 Tomahawk that I bought instead. Here in Sweden at least.
@@Alexander-iq6bc For one, the video is always just a reference, you always should check for local prices, the video isnt supposed to tell you 'go that board only'. Second, what makes you go for the x570 instead of b550 anyways// yes you saved 60 dollars from the tuf but why not save some more with the b550?
Some features that are important to me at least in a motherboard : number of Sata, number of Nvme, number of USB, intel Lan V2, ability to flash bios without CPU, ability to reset bios in case i fuck up, an error screen, a decent VRM with a decent cooling...
the bonuses that would make it better : front usb c, wifi 6...
for what i want i found the best choice for me was the x570 tuf pro, for overclocking I'm simply gonna enable my docb(or whatever they call it) for my 3600mhz 16CL ballistix and find a video or post and find the average frequency and voltage to oc my 5800x safely and set it and forget it...
and for 220$ i think it's a good price...
Alright here's actually a question, can you remove the B550 Aorus Master's 2nd bios chip, and then it will stop behaving weirdly? I know some bios chips were removable?
is it really still doable? that seems very 90s to me
Buildzoid, does the memory overclocking capability say something about getting tighter timings to work better or is something that is totally disconnected from each other? I am asking because I want to max out my dual rank Teamgroup 2x16 memory kit that you reviewed a while ago. I have a super cheap MSI b450 Gaming plus with a 3800XT and was wondering if I get even better memory timings to work with eg a Gigabyte b550 Aorus pro v2 or Unify x. Thanks!
BZ, I have a question regarding the B550 Aorus Pro Wifi versus X570 Aorus Elite Wifi - I don't NEED any of the X570 stuff offered over the B550, but if I can get them at a similar pricepoint, should I get the X570?
alot of countries have different prices for boards, should mention that in the nexus video, still useful info
Well most people living in their country their whole life should be accustomed to things having different price.
I for example live in Czechia and some electronics can be easily 150$ more than us or UK heck even Germany maybe
@ I'm not sure if this is what Jon meant, but more importantly the price *ordering* of mbds can be different in other countries, eg. in BZ's Newegg list he shows the Asrock X570 Pro4 as being more expensive than the Steel Legend, but in the UK the Pro4 is typically 25 UKP cheaper (I know because I bought a Pro4). This means some of BZ's conclusions that are largely based on price differences are simply not valid in many other places.
Quite why the ordering of SKUs should vary in this way, who knows.
Can you explain why 4 sticks of RAM are hard to OC in some Motherboards? As far as i know is all about signal quality, can we improve that in another one? Like EMI shielding, i´m not going to mu-metal and kapton tape, but i wonder if kapton tape all around cpu and ram (botton of the MB) + copper tape and a little one in the top between RAM sticks and CPU will help, i have b-die ram (tridentz 3600cl16) and i can go 3733cl16, but with 4 sticks i have a lot of problems even at 3600 (b350 tomahawk), it´s a weird situation because now i have fclk@1867 and RAM@3533cl14, still a beta bios and i have a 3900xt, I don´t want to change the motherboard but now i´m thinking about the b550 Aourus pro v2 if i can go very high with the 4 sticks.
I went with a strix x570-i, 5800x (I know, I know, not great value), 32 gigs @ 3600, cl16. paired with a 3080 in a NR200 SFF case. Loving the performance upgrade over my old 4770k and 980ti.
I needed the x570-i because the b550 Motherboards in itx didnt have enough USB ports, and the fan head locations sucked... This one was the only one that would work for me.
Hey! I am a pure gamer, 1080p 144Hz. I have 4x8 CL16 Crucial Ballistix kit. Should I got for an ASRocK X570-Pro4 motherboard for the T-Topology or should I go with the B550 Aorus Pro-P for the better vram? (running AMD 5600X)
X570 Aorus Elite good for a 5800x at stock? I'm just gaming, and have a kraken x73 to cool it - case is a phanteks enthoo evolv atx outfitted with x2 ll140 corsair front intake, 1x corsair ll140mm corsair rear, 3x 120mm on the kraken x73. (Ik 5600x + b550 aorus pro would be same performance and cheaper, but they weren't and still aren't available)
how about the asus x570-p? would u still recommend this mobo for the budget x570 mobos? kind of need the x570 expandability but dont want to over spend (planing to have 3 gen4 m2s with the 4750g, not doing any cpu/ram overclock, just 128g of ram, at maybe 2666c19)
Thanks BZ! Happy you covered my comment - X570 Unify for best cost effective x570 if priority is overclocking, 3 m.2 and with bonus 2.5gb Lan.
Sorry you were given a tough time with the video though! 30mins time limit is just no good for a comprehensive video, especially not from you! :D
Like, i get that the Tomahawk boards kinda built a rep for themselves due to the B450 lineup, but other wise, i dont see why they are loved as much as they are. Also, my B550 Aorus Pro V1.0 has an internal type C port. Its not listed on the website, but it has one. No thunderbolt header like the V2 though :(
I think what people need to remember is that first, Buildzoid looks at several points, and don’t look at other points.
For example, he ranks the boards based on feature sets that he is knowledgable about and cares about, such as the SATA ports, memory, VRM, connectivity, etc., and compares the boards in relations to the price point. He doesn’t really focus too much at things like audio, PCI-e lanes, M.2 slots, looks, fan and ARGB headers, for example.
So you have to understand what exactly he is recommending and what else you have to research on your own.
For example, if a certain boards go on sale and drops the price well below MRSP, then the ratings will change accordingly. Also, he wouldn’t care about the looks of the board, how many fan headers or ARGB headers the board has, where the headers are located for wire management, integrated I/O shield, structural reinforcements, etc.. Like he said, he doesn’t use a case, but a test bench, so his user experience is fundamentally different from the normie users.
So ask the right questions and don’t waste his time. I bought the X570 Tomahawk because it was on sale, and it was available, the Bios is nice, the looks is nice, and it fits my build. That’s all there is. If it didn’t go on sale, I’d buy the X570 TUF Pro or B550 Aorus Pro v2.
You're too logical :P
@@EzioYuio No, Buildzoid is too logical, I cared about AESTHETICS. lol
I have like 7 ARGB fans and 2 hidden stock ones on the bottom. My case is my Christmas tree.
The GN video would look pretty different if it was done based on UK pricing right now. There's some really good nice deals on motherboards at the moment. Shame it doesn't seem to extend to any other components. Well except maybe RAM.
Also I'm pretty sure all the love for the Tomahawk comes from the VRM as BZ suggested later on. It did amazingly well in other Steve's testing. Why it matters that much on AM4 is a different point most people haven't considered it seems.
Would the x570 TUF Gaming Pro be comparable to the B550 Aorus Pro V2 for overclocking (CPU and RAM)?
And here I am running 7 1TB nvme drives on my X570 Taichi :p
I felt the rant at 2:12.
Man i like the exact opposite kind of motherboard. I usually go for the best looks and try to get it as silent as possible so undervolting and underclocking it is for me. I also have 3 nvme ssds XD.
But I just love your hardware rambling so much.
For me in Germany is the X570 Tomahawk around 190 €, the X570 TUF Plus [Wi-Fi] around 210 € and the X570 TUF Pro [Wi-Fi] around 220 €. That's why I would by the Tomahawk over the TUF. I think that's why some People ask for the Tomahawk.
This^. X570 Tomahawk is cheaper than Asus TUF Pro which BZ compared it to in the original video, in Europe. The 2 extra SATA ports and the fact that, IN THE US, the Tuf Pro was/is cheaper, was the reason he recomended it over the Tomahawk, he literally said that. If you don't care about the extra SATA ports, and you can find the Tomahawk for cheaper, it's obviously equally good. I think most folks stick to those guides a bit too much and cannot comprehend the fact that prices differ drastically sometimes in the US vs the EU.
I know that you don't like the $250 range, but what about the b550 aorus master. Do you think that is enough of an upgrade from the $200 range and enough to be less than the $300?
Hey! I am a pure gamer, 1080p 144Hz FPS games. I have 4x8GB CL16 3600MHz Crucial Ballistix kit. Should I got for an ASRocK X570-Pro4 motherboard for the T-Topology or should I go with the B550 Aorus Pro-P for the better vram? (according to buildzoid advice I might say) running AMD 5600X btw.
Thanks!
TUFF pro though is not using true 12+2 phase power though.. more like 4+2 and some different layout few review sites noted?
You mentioned in the GN video that the current BIOS versions on a lot of boards are quite .. suboptimal atm.
Does anybody know if any of the presented brands has already fixed their BIOS issues?
I saw Gigabyte has released a new version on Dec 18th but I couldn’t find out if it actually fixed all the problems :(
problem i have with asrock's bios is sometimes the settings don't stick and you have to reset it and redo your settings again. And people sometimes overestimate what they really need on a motherboard.
40 minutes Steve!
Dark hero and tomahawk x570 kept coming up over and over in youtube.
@Adam West why the sad face? Just like Bz said, it’s a great motherboard. Just $30 too expensive.
Buggy BIOS rant was in at the beginning. I listened to the rest for lulz. That rant about the BIOS made the rest redundant. It is another good reason to put of until 2nd quarter the AM4 builds I want to do.
I'm using a x570 aorus pro v1.0 no wi fi is that any good for over clocking I've tuned ram but not fiddled with over clock I did do the pbo performance boost unlimited power u said about ages ago in diffrent video but I didn't really notice anything tho but it's only a 3600 and u did say the other chips it would be better for anyway anyhow if u find the time I'd like to know =) I will play with that over the hols I expect
Hoping to find some knowledge here.
For AMD Ryzen 5 5600x & RTX 3070, what would be the sweet spot motherboard.
thanks in advance