High End Audio Just Got Destroyed by the Geshelli Labs J2 AKM 4499

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  • @cheapaudioman
    @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +6

    Geshelli Labs J2 4499 geshelli.com/product/jnog2-socketed-j2s/
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    • @samza9622
      @samza9622 10 месяцев назад

      Ugh man I want it so much but can't afford it no income currently.

  • @earthoid
    @earthoid 10 месяцев назад +17

    Too late Randy. I just spent the budget on an Ares 12th-1 DAC (also under $1,000) so I'm going to have to assume (for my mental well being) that the Ares is much better than the new Geshelli. In fact I'm going to have to deny that I ever watched this video.

    • @kmnaniak
      @kmnaniak 10 месяцев назад

      but Ares is much better because is R2R and for the same money and chip combination I would rather buy Hiby R6 Pro II which is 4191+4499 but I am headphone not speakers listener

  • @TheodoreBreaux
    @TheodoreBreaux 10 месяцев назад +19

    A month ago I sent my J2 AKM 4493 to Geshelli to be upgraded to the J2S board with AKM 4499EX and Sparkos SS3602 on the XLR output. The cost was akin to buying another J2, but it proved to be a no brainer. The results are easily worth it. Anyone with a decent system who knows the J2 well will hear the improvement in soundstage depth and dynamics within the first minute. This is a stellar product made by stellar people.

    • @PhilOrmsby
      @PhilOrmsby 10 месяцев назад +2

      Now upgrade to the Sparkos SS2590 Op Amps. OMG!

    • @TheodoreBreaux
      @TheodoreBreaux 10 месяцев назад

      @@PhilOrmsby Unfortunately, that is not an option at this point. To the best of my knowledge, those won't fit either the board or the case, or I would have gone that route. ;-)

    • @PhilOrmsby
      @PhilOrmsby 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@TheodoreBreaux I can assure you that they absolutely do fit. You need a riser but I have them in both of my J2s. Seriously, it's a HUGE step up.

    • @armyofdorkness6159
      @armyofdorkness6159 7 месяцев назад +2

      I just put 2509s in my J2 4499 in the XLRs and received the A3 Pro this weekend. Absolutely amazing!

  • @irisfinchmusic
    @irisfinchmusic 10 месяцев назад +5

    The Orchard Audio PecanPi+ uses these same AKM chips:
    (AKM) flagship AK4499EXEQ combined with AK4191EQ
    It's got a good clock: Crystek CCHD-575 oscillator
    The PecanPI+ comes packaged with a streamer and headphone amplifier for $800.
    I don't know if one can change op-amps - it comes with TI op-amps.
    I've heard it's really good. (IIWI channel gave it a detailed review, with lots of comparisons)

  • @Photoboy1948
    @Photoboy1948 10 месяцев назад +4

    Sound stage freak here. Looks like I’ll be shipping my J2 AKM back for a few upgrades once they are able to do upgrades. Thanks for the great descriptions.

  • @MrMoogle
    @MrMoogle 10 месяцев назад

    This is why I love the Geshelli folks. From watching that interview with them, it's clear they just keep putting stuff together until they get the sound they want while avoiding stupid expensive components. Sounds like they got the combo spot on with this one. Love it! Thanks for the great review.

  • @williammitchell3271
    @williammitchell3271 10 месяцев назад

    Awesome. I bought two of the older J2 AKM dacs and fully appreciate what they do. I can't justify replacing them for the 15% bump, but I love to hear of the improvement that is being made in hifi. Feels like we are in a new phase of growth. What's old is new again.

  • @rodross9625
    @rodross9625 10 месяцев назад +9

    Careful Randy it’s a slippery slope, there is a lot more information contained in both digital and analog that can be drawn out but as I found out that’s when it starts becoming addictive and expensive 😂😂
    The standard of kit for the money a the low to mid end is exceptional nowadays, it’s just nice to see people enjoying their music 😁

  • @adsph
    @adsph 10 месяцев назад +9

    Hi Randy. What a review. To see and hear you being that impressed brings me joy. I haven't taken the dac plunge yet, maybe by the years end. I have learned so much from your channel about dac's, etc. What a great community. Great job as always. Have a great day.

    • @bankruptfilly
      @bankruptfilly 9 месяцев назад +2

      Preach! The more I watch this guy, the more I believe he's a sponsored shill

  • @ordinaryjoe2247
    @ordinaryjoe2247 10 месяцев назад +86

    I don't doubt that it sounds as good as you say that it does. But at a total cost of almost $670, to say that "high-end just got destroyed by" is like saying that one Bentley just destroyed another one. With a base price of $260, the cost of the options are more than 1.5x the base price. As others have pointed out, at that price it sounds like it's time to start comparing it to other $700 DACs, not $200 or $300 DACs.

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +16

      This walks all over dacs costing multiples more. But don’t take my word for it.

    • @Kukkema
      @Kukkema 10 месяцев назад +22

      @@cheapaudioman”walks all over dacs costing multiple more”. And how many dacs that costs multiple more have you side by side compared?

    • @takeseven-
      @takeseven- 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@KukkemaNone

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +35

      @@Kukkema eleventeen

    • @tonyjedioftheforest1364
      @tonyjedioftheforest1364 10 месяцев назад

      @@cheapaudiomantwelvty

  • @Brian_Romska
    @Brian_Romska 10 месяцев назад +2

    Good stuff Randy! I always love hearing anything about Geshelli products, definitely enjoying my j2 and looking forward to getting the opamp version next time, thanks!

  • @fredflinstone3173
    @fredflinstone3173 10 месяцев назад +4

    I had been considering The J2 for quite awhile, then recently stumbled on the Passion for Sound video on this new version. I woke up this morning at 3am to pee then realized it was release day at Geshelli and proceeded to give them my money! I have a modest system; Yamaha A-s301 with Polk R100 fed exclusively with Wiim and Tidal, of which I’m extremely happy with (the internal 301 dac is not bad at all to my ears). But I’m confident that this dac with the sound improvements along with the ability to now integrate my tv will be end game for me.

    • @DB-cg1rr
      @DB-cg1rr 10 месяцев назад +1

      I have the s-801 and heard an immediate difference when I got the original J2 AKM. I was actually shocked.

    • @fredflinstone3173
      @fredflinstone3173 10 месяцев назад

      @@DB-cg1rr
      That’s encouraging, thanks. Even more so since the 801 is suppose to have an upgraded dac from the lower models. I’ve considered getting the 701 (open box for $600) for the extra power but I don’t listen at very loud levels so I don’t know how beneficial it would be.

    • @sydneybird116
      @sydneybird116 8 месяцев назад

      Tell us what you think after you had a chance to listen to it. Thanks

  • @jackstraw1756
    @jackstraw1756 10 месяцев назад +9

    I thought long and hard about getting the Geshelli loaded, went with a Bifrost 2/64 for the reason that it is modular, when they upgrade it I can buy just the upgrade parts and swap them myself. DACs and the tech changes too often and too fast for me to lock in on something. As far as I know Schiit and McIntosh on their integrated and pre-amps offer this. I’m sure there are others

    • @jimmyrustle6725
      @jimmyrustle6725 10 месяцев назад

      You made the right decision bro. It's a no brainer. Exactly what I just posted lol

  • @PhillioDoede
    @PhillioDoede 10 месяцев назад +4

    Would be interesting to get mini roundup of 'budget' high-end DACs. This compared with the Bifrost 2 64, and Denafrips maybe.

  • @33spree
    @33spree 10 месяцев назад

    Love the idea. Many tech RUclipsrs are into audio setups headphones etc. for editing. I know the guys at BTOD are always on watching your videos in the background. They are all about comfortable desk chairs and desk setups.

  • @MLDurant
    @MLDurant 10 месяцев назад +1

    Totally appreciate this. Keep music, music! Not bs gear and how deep your pocket is. Well done 👏 side note - I totally thought you were going to say “the Korn hole” 😅

  • @ehong123
    @ehong123 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have the Aune X8 FPGA DAC with a single Sparkos op am and Aune 9v linear power supply setup. With all of them purchased at onsale price of $400 total. The sound is spectacular.
    Compared to the SU-1 I had and the built-in wolfson DAC in my Cambridge CXA 60 Integrated Amp , it's night and days differences. I'm very happy with this Aune DAC + Sparkos Op Am setup.
    Sparkos op am is a beast of a small op am from my point of view.

  • @mnmlist1454
    @mnmlist1454 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks, Randy for another great review. So can I safely say you prefer this J2 AKM 4499 to the Orchard Audio PecanPi DAC you reviewed 2 years back ? It'd be awesome if you can also review the PecanPi Plus which has the same AKM 4499 chip & compare it to the Geshelli J2S. Unfortunately you cannot swap the op amp in the PecanPi Plus.

  • @b30sail
    @b30sail 10 месяцев назад +17

    I got this dac with the sparkos 2 weeks ago. I was replacing the Saber version. I was worried that I wouldn't hear much of difference, but ended up having the same reaction Randy did. One additional thing I noticed was even older poorly recorded tracs sounded significantly better. No regrets on the purchase. Also highly recommend

    • @thatchinaboi1
      @thatchinaboi1 10 месяцев назад +3

      Confirmation Bias is a helluva delusion.

    • @andrewbrazier9664
      @andrewbrazier9664 10 месяцев назад

      Enjoy 🎶🙂

    • @mrpink3630
      @mrpink3630 10 месяцев назад

      what cosmetic options did you choose?

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +23

      @@thatchinaboi1 what is your problem, dude? They liked it. I like it. Why are you watching a video about a DAC you don’t want and spending time commenting about how we’re wrong? Tell me I’m wrong but leave my viewers alone. Last warning.

    • @thatchinaboi1
      @thatchinaboi1 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@cheapaudioman What did I actually say that was so offensive? The Truth? Clearly you are agitated because you know you have become a snake oil salesman even though your whole image is that you are "honest". Give me a break. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @larrywalden8296
    @larrywalden8296 3 месяца назад

    Randy, Thanks for the great content. I am close to pulling the trigger on GL Dac, and today when I visited the store to again build my wish list DAC, I now see Burson opamps as an option. Have you had a chance to A/B these with the sparkos? I know how much you like the sparkos - curious on your take. Thanks again for all the great content.

  • @4thewinir344
    @4thewinir344 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks Randy, for the Korn MTV Unplugged recommendation! I gave them a chance, as you suggested, and enjoyed the whole album start to finish through my J2 AKM 4493 and CSS Criton 1TDX…enjoyed it immensely.

  • @ericelmore2742
    @ericelmore2742 9 месяцев назад

    Great review. Do you think it compares to denafrips Pontus 2? Thinking about making a purchase

  • @Mark198d
    @Mark198d 10 месяцев назад +5

    SMSL recently released the D0300EX, which is another AK4499EX + AK4191 chip DAC. No idea how it sounds, but features wise it is really rich, has a headphone amplifier, i2s input, bluetooth capability, pre-amp function, remote control, MQA, and it has a screen. Basically everything you would ever need in a DAC unit. It costs $469 so even less expensive than the J2 with AK4499EX with the lowest cost options.

    • @miquifaye
      @miquifaye 10 месяцев назад

      That sounds like a better deal than the maxxed out J2

    • @sydneybird116
      @sydneybird116 8 месяцев назад

      You can't put in the Sparkos op amps, it has a built in switch mode power supply that you can't bypass with a linear power supply, and it is made in China instead of the US.

    • @miquifaye
      @miquifaye 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@sydneybird116 the SMSL is still a better deal and dac with all the connectivity, REMOTE and features. That China boogey man stuff isn't working. good luck with that.

  • @Povell81
    @Povell81 10 месяцев назад

    @cheapaudioman - Randy, great review. I am tempted to upgrade from my J2 AK4493. I am curious which Buchardt speakers those are? The P300 or the S400 MKII ?

  • @NeilBlanchard
    @NeilBlanchard 10 месяцев назад +11

    I agree wholeheartedly that this J2S AKM 4499EX DAC is stunningly great! The music / harmonic detail and clarity and layering - is "3D" and so many recordings are delectable and delicious! It is *so* difficult to hit Stop/Pause when listening with this DAC in my system!
    Small addition to the front controls - the right button that selects the input - with a long press and release takes it from default/high gain down to medium gain, and then a second long press and release takes it into low gain. A third long press and release goes back to default/high gain mode.

    • @TriAmpHiFi
      @TriAmpHiFi 10 месяцев назад +4

      Hi Neil, nice to see ya..................
      So you bought the new one eh? I like to think I'm smart because I'm buying the DAC last in my current system build. Because the latest and greatest is always 6 months from now.
      I also don't feel bad for those that bought preamps and receivers with built-in, now outdated dacs. Sweet validation when I espouse, "Ya gotta' keep-em separated". Digital from analog that is. Upgrade paths are cleaner & targeted.
      I don't know how you got the new Geshelli so fast but I'm GLAD it's good. Peace.
      Reggae, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks, Neil!

    • @gordonbeall6667
      @gordonbeall6667 10 месяцев назад +3

      Hi Neil and Randy… I also have this DAC and I am just as impressed with it as you both are. It is special. I had placed an order for the 4493 with Sparkos SE at the end of August and a few days later heard Lachlan's review and immediately got a hold of Sherri and changed the order to the 4499 . She said they had a few boards available and literally a week later it arrived. I am bypassing the DAC in my Node 2i. Unbelievable upgrade. Could not be more happy. Neil, I saw your comment on ABA from a day or two ago, and am wondering if you would share what 12v 50W power supply you chose…. I am sure it is worth adding one. TIA, Gordon

    • @NeilBlanchard
      @NeilBlanchard 10 месяцев назад

      @@gordonbeall6667(continued)) And if you only need to power the J2S, then there is a 12V 50W unit, that has 2 outputs (both 12V) that is a bit less than $100 from Ali Express, and there are a number of 12V 25W units that are less money, and are quite good. The stock power supply is 2.1A so the linear power supply is a very good upgrade, whether it is 25W or 50W.

  • @reconbbs360
    @reconbbs360 10 месяцев назад

    You do a great job at giving me the urge to upgrade. 😂. Fortunately, I already have the the sparkos labs op amps in a Aiyima A07 that I no longer use. Time to upgrade from the Sabre J2.

  • @Mark198d
    @Mark198d 10 месяцев назад +2

    I'm sure this sounds good, but it is not one of the first DACs to use this AK4499EX chip. The Topping E70 Velvet, SMSL D400EX, and Gustard A26 have all been out for almost a year. The SMSL and Gustard use 2 AK4499EX chips in dual mono configuration.

  • @yerbigbeanoyeah
    @yerbigbeanoyeah 10 месяцев назад +1

    Cool, Maybe I can snag a J2 w/4493 from somebody who has to have a 4499 . I love Hifi and Hifi excitement. I even have a subscription to Absolute Sound who are the current guardians of Vinyl Grinding, "veiled milkiness in the high end" BS. I love it. I missed it so bad from when I used to be in that business. Rock on Randy

  • @lazzzzze1
    @lazzzzze1 10 месяцев назад +1

    The v1.6 update to my Ares II had insane soundstage. Tons of detail and did amazing things to live ablums, like you were right there. Never heard anything like it before or since.
    I had to get ride of it. After 5 minutes, listening fatigue would set in and had to turn it off. Soundstage and detail are nice, but for longer and more relaxed listening sessions, keeping it simple is best.

    • @justinbennitt835
      @justinbennitt835 10 месяцев назад

      wow, I've had 5 or 6 hour listening session with my Ares II (latest o/s update) with no fatigue at all. Maybe it's a pairing issue and the DAC wasn't the sole cause?

    • @lazzzzze1
      @lazzzzze1 10 месяцев назад +1

      @justinbennitt835 the latest v1.8 update is great. I'm taking about the v1.6 version.

    • @kmnaniak
      @kmnaniak 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@lazzzzze1 I have Ares 12th-1 with 1.8 and doubt J2 can be close to this experience

  • @Rota42Videos
    @Rota42Videos 10 месяцев назад

    Randy, could you tell me the wood and glass color of this new unit? It's quite beautiful and it'll help me get one just like yours

  • @skjlion
    @skjlion 10 месяцев назад +4

    I know in a previous video you noted jnog2 was not that different from a denafrips ares. How would the 4499 compare to the ares? As i currently use the ares 12th

  • @chriswhite1174
    @chriswhite1174 10 месяцев назад +1

    Which wood was used on that Dac...Im going to order one and want the same look it is beautiful.

  • @kevintan2221
    @kevintan2221 10 месяцев назад +1

    I just saw the Topping E70Velvet armed with AKM 4499 too, so an audio shootout would be interesting❤

  • @yayhoo8848
    @yayhoo8848 10 месяцев назад +4

    Do they have a bedazzled option? That would be pretty cool.

  • @Cabernetor
    @Cabernetor 10 месяцев назад

    I'd be curious to hear the difference it would make compared to the stock Marantz 70s DAC

  • @psyphonyxaudio
    @psyphonyxaudio 10 месяцев назад +4

    I LOVE that DAC chip... That's what I always say about AKM ... 4499ex is really great.
    ... it is NOT the first to use it ... Topping E70 Velvet has had the 4499ex for a while... and a few others.
    Randy, C'mon man. Don't be doing that.
    Glad this one was a positive and emotional experience. That's a magical thing! =)

  • @DandyAudiophile
    @DandyAudiophile 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Randy. Amazing video as always. How does is compare with de Denafrips Enyo? I'm searching for warmer sound. Thanks!

    • @TripleE76
      @TripleE76 8 месяцев назад

      Wondering the same …

  • @williammilligan1451
    @williammilligan1451 10 месяцев назад +3

    Would be interesting to see a comparison with the Gustard R26…

  • @Leo-yn5fx
    @Leo-yn5fx 10 месяцев назад

    Wow for 2 years, the 4499 has been out of print and now budget options are makijg its way with it. Awesome

  • @davecroft2991
    @davecroft2991 10 месяцев назад

    Great content Randy, since you introduced the brand ive been considering buy one, but Im cheap. Use a an old Denon i got for $50 bucks from a pal, with a pair of Klipsch Forte I (Craig's list find for $600) connected to our tv for movies. I strongly considered buying the 93, but now maybe the 99 with sparkos. While the price almost double, $508 it definitely not expensive.

  • @SyzygyNoon
    @SyzygyNoon 10 месяцев назад

    When you were describing the Soundcore IEMs, it reminded me of Anchorman’s “This burrito is delicious, but it is _filling!”_
    _throws it at Jack Black_

  • @svenludvigsen260
    @svenludvigsen260 3 месяца назад

    Enjoy watching your reviews... would like to buy a Geshelli dac but it seems like they do not ship for Sweden or Norway and trying to email them using the form on their hompage only return with error?... brgds

  • @chuckmaddison2924
    @chuckmaddison2924 10 месяцев назад +1

    It's good to see a company being sensible for a change. Unlike some cable companies that equate $$$$ to quality for a foot of lamp cord.

  • @GregWalrath
    @GregWalrath 10 месяцев назад

    Looks great, as always. However, the Burson op-amps are not available on the Geshelli Labs site as an option.

  • @dandempsey4275
    @dandempsey4275 10 месяцев назад

    I'm glad I bought my J2 with 4493 a few months ago or I'd be spending a mortgage payment on this 4499. I love my J2 and I can't say enough good about how well this company Geshelli is run and how well they took great care of me the customer.

  • @ordinaryjoe2247
    @ordinaryjoe2247 10 месяцев назад +1

    For anyone looking for some good additional info on this new configuration, Passion for Sound has a good post. He's more into headphones, but his comments are helpful nevertheless. He did a great job putting the various permutations and combinations in perspective.

  • @quikspecv4d
    @quikspecv4d 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have the original version of the J2 and it’s great. I’m using it with a Topping A90 and a xDuo TA-20

  • @johnezzard680
    @johnezzard680 2 месяца назад

    Ok Randy, you got me to buy another piece of kit.
    Got the J2 4499 with Opamp Options RCA:Sparkos SS3602 x 1pc
    Now, I had upgraded my all in one amp to an Emotiva TA1.
    I really like the sound, the soundstage and clarity of the onboard DAC
    BUT, playing it through the Airmotiv B2+ speakers, it was a little harsh on the tweeter. Really good, but a little too bright.
    Running the same source through the Geshelli Labs J2, soundstage is actually better and I didn't that was possible. The upper end is a little warmer. I happen to prefer that; someone else might like something else or the really good onboard DAC of the TA1

  • @netboyatl
    @netboyatl 10 месяцев назад

    @cheapaudioman I know you like Schitt and Gesh Labs but thoughts on Modius vs today's reviewed offering?

  • @mykescaffidi3561
    @mykescaffidi3561 10 месяцев назад +2

    Hey Randy, love your channel and been watching since the start. How does the J2 499 Sparkos combo hold up against the Denefrips Ares II? They are close in price after the Geshelli mods and I am looking to eventually get my "end game" DAC. Keep doing what you do- we appreciate your entertaining take on Hi-Fi!

    • @jayem1826
      @jayem1826 9 месяцев назад

      Great question. That's what I want to know too

    • @TripleE76
      @TripleE76 8 месяцев назад

      Another vote

  • @danieldionaldo6933
    @danieldionaldo6933 10 месяцев назад +3

    SMSL D400EX has the same chip. More expensive than the J2. But for the rest of the world could be the only choice because of taxes and shipping... would be great if you get this and do a comparison.

  • @JR-ho5qm
    @JR-ho5qm 10 месяцев назад +3

    Wow! Sounds like a great piece of work! Good job Gesheli! And thanks for the review Randy! I’m between this and a Emotiva XDA DAC gen3

  • @m4nc1n1
    @m4nc1n1 10 месяцев назад

    I have the Sparkos OP Amps for the T07. I wonder if they will fit in the Fosi v3?

  • @ThePupil
    @ThePupil 10 месяцев назад

    I wonder how it compares to the Topping E70v. Cause it will be one of these two for me.

  • @stephenbarr2735
    @stephenbarr2735 10 месяцев назад +5

    Videos like this give me serious FOMO at first but then I go into my listening room and realize that my non-AKM J2 sounds amazing going through my Marantz and JBL!!! Good stuff as always. I will get one of the updated DACs some day and swap the old one to my basement system. Cheers.

  • @nathanberger618
    @nathanberger618 10 месяцев назад

    I’m getting ready to order a DAC from Geshelli Labs. I had to wait for the 4499 version to be available!

  • @derrickj925
    @derrickj925 10 месяцев назад +3

    Is XLR output a noticeable difference over RCA?

  • @keith6872
    @keith6872 7 месяцев назад +2

    Randy, You failed to mention if you used the rca or the balanced outputs during testing. Is there a difference in sound?

  • @wtcwtc9861
    @wtcwtc9861 10 месяцев назад +3

    I'd like to hear the IIWI channel do a "bromance free" review on a Geshelli AKM product. He is always fair and objective and does excellent comparisons with other comparable DAC's, dollar wise. I remember him saying that for some reason he just can't seem to get a Geshelli product into his country for a review. No problem for him to get other American made products like Orchard Audio or Schiit though. I wonder why that is?

    • @geshellilabs4411
      @geshellilabs4411 10 месяцев назад +4

      I'm not sure what you're insinuating here. This review is the fourth on this DAC with the AKM4499EX. Check out Passion for Sound, Tone Deaf Monk and Fresh Reviews. They all dropped theirs before this one. Your reviewer is in a country we do not ship to. The companies you are referring to are much larger than ours and may have the connections to do so. And since I'm a female, I'm not really into the whole "Bromance thing" so you're clear of that with this one -Sherri

    • @NosEL34
      @NosEL34 10 месяцев назад +1

      I agree, he is by far the most concise and unbiased subjective reviewer of Dacs. Very thorough while his dac to dac comparisons are always appropriate like you mentioned. If you've been watching Randy long enough you know his love (bromance 😂) for American made products like Geshelli, Schitt, and Emo..so sometimes you have to take his enthusiasm with a grain of salt so to speak. He does use a lot of these products in his own systems and for review reference though. I saw Sherri replied that they don't ship that direction. Even if they did iiWi was explaining just the other day that shipping and taxes from the US is as high as 50% of the product cost..which is a lot to spend for a review and then sit on a product when he pays out of pocket (not a demo)

  • @joeshmoe7485
    @joeshmoe7485 10 месяцев назад +4

    Maybe it's just a design choice, but I don't understant the point of having those Opt/Spdif connections on the front. The main inputs and outputs are still on the back, right? So if I'm connecting it to an amp, I would connect to optical to my source and then use the RCA outs to go to the amp... Why would you want ports on the front like that? Is it possible to get the DAC without these superfluous connections on the front?

    • @Dreforian
      @Dreforian 10 месяцев назад +1

      If I recall the explanation correctly, it was designed with consideration for the arrangement of devices. One might expect to stack or sit this side by side with an amp (or stand alone), but the front inputs accommodate a depth-oriented arrangement as well. Imagine a train of devices with your source at the front, the J2 in the middle behind the source, and your amp at the back behind everything. Minimizes cable runs/bends. Saves space horizontally and vertically. Also recall it has a metal case option (the OG) which might make it less of a show piece and more just another link in the chain. Personally I'd gladly trade out the front inputs for friendlier controls or cost saving however. Dem options get expensive fast.

  • @jase1239
    @jase1239 10 месяцев назад

    Would you recommend pairing this with an a90 or should i get a bifrost?

  • @victorwalsh3821
    @victorwalsh3821 9 месяцев назад

    Hey Randy, I have the Ares 2 and have loved it ever since I got it 2 years ago. Would this be a good upgrade for the same price essetially from a great american company?

    • @TripleE76
      @TripleE76 8 месяцев назад

      Wondering the same, although the Ares 2 is now circa $860. I grabbed a J2 for $580 this week, but wondering if I should have paid up for the Ares 2, but will never know most likely.

  • @JensenTech
    @JensenTech 8 месяцев назад

    I would like to know how it compares to Topping E70 Velvet which have the same chipset but no Sparkos.

  • @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
    @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 2 месяца назад

    Get the Geshelli soon ,can't wait !! Thanks Ran-Man 😊

  • @matthewhilty4209
    @matthewhilty4209 10 месяцев назад +4

    Wow you are describing the experience I got with a super expensive Qutest dac and a Linear power supply, this is awesome you can get that for half the price and Geschelli has balanced outputs and made here in the US. I am amazed that studio level HiFi is getting more and more affordable.

  • @quiksr20
    @quiksr20 10 месяцев назад +2

    That wood case looks freakin awesome!

  • @garydumas3148
    @garydumas3148 10 месяцев назад

    I am running the Emotiva RMC 1-L which has I think AKM 4490 chips? Anyway, my primary listening mode is “reference stereo or stereo mode”. So now the stupid question, if I add this DAC how does it “bypass’ the internal RMC DAC’s? Yea I am new to this stuff and appreciate your patience.

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +2

      just run it into the balanced analog input on the back or an available RCA analog input on the RMC-1L and you're all good

  • @brandontheblack
    @brandontheblack 10 месяцев назад

    Any idea how this compares to the DAC in the Emotiva PT-1 preamp? Analog Devices AD1955

  • @truwarrior22
    @truwarrior22 9 месяцев назад

    Which op amp do you think is best for pop and rock?

  • @dimitriskontos858
    @dimitriskontos858 10 месяцев назад +8

    Hi Randy. How the full loaded J2 compares to the Denafrips Ares II ? They are a bit closer in their price now, so a comparison of them makes sense... What are your thoughts about them ? Thanks a lot...!!!

    • @basilisk420
      @basilisk420 10 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed - would love to hear comparisons. Is this an Ares killer??

    • @jayf3562
      @jayf3562 10 месяцев назад

      +1

    • @DickCarr
      @DickCarr 10 месяцев назад

      Randy gave away his Aries to keep the J2…and this was before the 4499.

    • @Mark198d
      @Mark198d 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@basilisk420 He's already gone on record as saying he likes the previous J2 with AKM 4493 better than the Ares II, which he gave away to one of his Patreons after getting the J2. Safe to say he thinks this improved J2 AK4499EX "walks all over" the Denafrips. I've owned the Ares II and the ESS version of the J2, and personally, I thought the Ares II was much better. It's not the comparison you are looking for, but it's all subjective in the end. I actually sold the Ares II recently in favor of the Ares I (rare find). I think the Ares I is more to my taste as the Ares II would on some occasion get too bright.
      What I've learned to do is be patient when all these new products come out that are supposedly the best, and then buy them on the used market when someone inevitably sells it. That way I can purchase them at a reduced price in case it doesn't work out for me, and I can re-sell at minimal or no loss. This practice has served me really well for this often expensive hobby.

  • @RayFord-ld2rq
    @RayFord-ld2rq 6 месяцев назад

    Question on configuration...I will only use USB input, and only want to have output to be digital coax or fiber optic. I want the ak4499 processing. I believe I do not need the upscale op amps. Am I understanding this right?

  • @user-zk6sp6yl2b
    @user-zk6sp6yl2b 2 месяца назад

    Hi Randy. Do you think that this dac would be over kill for a more budget system like mine. I have a Cambridge audio axr 85 and Polk signature elite book shelf speakers?

  • @merdith6
    @merdith6 10 месяцев назад +2

    I feel like it needs a remote control and bass and treble adjustments and put all the connections on the back.

  • @NightFlight1973
    @NightFlight1973 9 месяцев назад

    Any lip sync lag with the Geshelli products? My dacs do double duty for TV and music, since I only have one system. Looking to put this thing up against my Bifrost 2, which I really like. The socket version is a huge benefit IMHO. I love tube/opamp rolling. I go broke, but I love it. I'm about to whip out the plastic. Someone let me know please.

  • @bencarignan2711
    @bencarignan2711 10 месяцев назад +2

    Yo Randy my main man what kind of power supply were you using in this setup? Was it a switch mode or linear power supply? At this price point, with such a heavy emphasis on soundstage and imaging, it seems like a linear power supply could be a reasonable recommendation to get the most of out of this product. Kind of surprised you havent ordered a nice ultra low noise linear power supply off ebay yet. Most have dual outputs as well. Keep grinding amigo!

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +2

      just the included switching power supply. Although I am going to hook up a linear power supply to it

    • @JMN_ALC
      @JMN_ALC 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@cheapaudiomanPlease share SQ deltas.

  • @erikmortensen1091
    @erikmortensen1091 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for a thorough review. Seems to be an exciting DAC. Is there a European distributor??

    • @VirusForPrez
      @VirusForPrez 9 месяцев назад

      No . Made in USA ( Florida )

  • @HarakiriRock
    @HarakiriRock 10 месяцев назад +1

    Man, I've been hyped about the J2 and holding off on ordering one until the 4499 became available... but the extra cost for just the 4499 kinda puts it in a price range where I'm not so comfortable buying one blindly. Wasn't expecting it to be an additional fee nor only available in the socketed version.
    Is it really worth the extra over the 4493 for someone like me with a mid-ish tier system and no prior experience with external DACs?

    • @Artemis_Prix
      @Artemis_Prix 10 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, I believe so. You can always just get the Sparkos op-amps on the RCA outputs which would save you quit a bit. That's what I did and I was impressed. I kept my 4493 J2 for a few days to do back to back comparisons. The depth of the soundstage was immediately apparent as well as the added height. However, it's important to ensure you have cleaned your system of any added noise from your sources because the gain is higher and will result in the noise floor being higher as well. I need to buy power supply filters and a LPS for my sources to mitigate the same in my system. Note, I'm using a recapped Carver amp and not a modern unit so my noise is undoubtedly higher than average. Good luck.

    • @HarakiriRock
      @HarakiriRock 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Artemis_Prix I will consider that. Thanks for sharing your advice and experience.

  • @larsv6144
    @larsv6144 3 месяца назад

    Would this be a good combination with the SMSL VMV A1 class A power amp? Will used the A1 also as headphone amp.

  • @mikecampbell5856
    @mikecampbell5856 10 месяцев назад

    I have been hinting at a Geshelli DAC for Christmas and my wife is leaning that way. Yay!

  • @brand1319
    @brand1319 4 месяца назад

    I would like to upgrade my DAC I was considering the regular geshelli j2. This just to listening to heaphones. Is it worth to do a full upgrade j2 socketed? Current using atom labs DAC and listening to hd650

  • @estenray5385
    @estenray5385 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Randy great review! This new Geshelli 4499 DAC definitely will be my next hifi purchase. I had heard about it and was just waiting on your review of it. You’ve confirmed everything I was hoping for! Thanks!

  • @EvilMii
    @EvilMii 10 месяцев назад

    This DAC is probably my end game in purple heart. But I really wish they made a matching power amp! PLEASE MAKE ONE!

  • @computerfreakch8912
    @computerfreakch8912 10 месяцев назад +4

    I appreciate that it's likely the best implementation of the 4499 thus far. But there is a tough competition in this price range, with great functionality and build quality. With the new J2 you have to accept how basic it is. If I had that kinda money to spend on a DAC, I would probably try to pass beyond the 1k mark and look for something less DIY.

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад +2

      lots of great options out there

    • @mattrismatt
      @mattrismatt 10 месяцев назад +1

      At the moment, the Topping D70 Pro Octo is probably the best higher-end DAC in this price range. It doesn't use the 4499, but eight (8) Cirrus Logic chips. I can confirm that the D70 Pro Sabre edition is spectacular... with superior linearity, imaging, and clarity than any other DAC I've ever heard.

  • @terryhutchinson9094
    @terryhutchinson9094 6 месяцев назад +1

    Do something for me please, Randy. Run this DAC with a very modest entry level audiophile set up. Say a WiiM, the DAC with RCA out to a Fosi V3 and some decent $400 speakers. Does the DAC still kill? Is it simply wasted because the rest of the kit just isn't discerning enough?

  • @RamisDad
    @RamisDad 29 дней назад

    Randys review was spot on. I was lucky enough to recieve my J3 pro w a sparkos 2590 today. Huge upgrade from modi3 which in itself i thought was amazing. All i can say is that as Randy said, it has been an emotional listening experience. Wow Geshelli labs, hats off to you. Randy looking forward to your review on this ...

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 10 месяцев назад +1

    Do they have a integrated amp coming out or something?

  • @robbrookby3350
    @robbrookby3350 8 месяцев назад

    Does the J2 have a true fully balanced output implementation on the XLRs?

  • @Daedalusization
    @Daedalusization 10 месяцев назад

    Sorry but I'aint getting the whole Socketed OP Ampt thing. Does it mean I don't have to buy a dedicated Head/Pre-Amp anymore? Or are the Sparkos just there to improve the Analog Output Stage? Anybody care to elaborate?

  • @Nina_20xx
    @Nina_20xx 4 месяца назад

    Hi Randy, do you know when you can review the Dayzee?

  • @corymarcotte5853
    @corymarcotte5853 10 месяцев назад

    Wanted to ask. Do you think you’ll ever review miniDSP FLEX?

  • @lesterrobinson3169
    @lesterrobinson3169 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this, how does it compare to the Denafrips Pontus 2 or is that not a fair fight? 😊

    • @cheapaudioman
      @cheapaudioman  10 месяцев назад

      I don't have the Pontus 2 unfortunately

    • @tomzurzang
      @tomzurzang 8 месяцев назад +1

      I've the Pontus 2. It is fed i2s from an Iris & the Geshelli is fed coaxial S/PDIF into iFi Pro iCan, LTA MZ2 and Sparkos Gemini. I"ve recently also had a Gustard R26, Denafrips Ares, iFi Pro iDSD. Strangely, most strangely, the Geshelli J2S with AKM 4499 is tonally almost identical, meaning rather bass heavy. THe Geshelli was rougher on top with the Sparkos 3602 opamps, but then with the Sparkos Pro 2590, it surpassed the Pontus. Power Supply has been an LTA LPS & Mojo Illuminati. I'm ready to sell the Pontus for needed cash.

  • @NosEL34
    @NosEL34 10 месяцев назад

    Does the newer J2 still give you the audible "pops" thru the speakers?

  • @heliopijpe
    @heliopijpe 10 месяцев назад

    Burson OP amps are beautiful things, they always warm up the sound, more robust, fuller, not cheap tho ... both the 5 and 6 series are very nice (tried them in various devices, portables, dac/amps, players etc)

  • @janulik9535
    @janulik9535 5 месяцев назад

    like the plants in front, around hifi and tv, seems unusual to me but also very cool and kind of complements the mood....

  • @jukingeo
    @jukingeo 2 месяца назад

    Now I have a question: In comparing the J2 4493 version WITH Sparkos Op Amps and the 4499 version with the STOCK op amps, which sounds better?

  • @JMJM75257
    @JMJM75257 10 месяцев назад

    Currently I own the topping e50. Feeding the fosi v3 that has opa 1622 op amps. My question is would it be worth the upgrade to the j2 4499 with sparkos? I'm looking for an endgame DAC that hopefully will stay with me through multiple speakers amps etc. I'm in the UK so would need to import. Still worth it? My current speakers are the Polk s20e and the monitor audio silver 100 7g. The monitors can sound Abit clinical with the e50 and v3 combo could the 4499 j2 help with this? Many thanks!

    • @tonym8358
      @tonym8358 7 месяцев назад

      The answer is yes, I have the fosi with 2 sparkos ss3602 and have the Maverick Dac which have 3 opamp with 1 100.00 western electric tube, also have tried the smsl su1 with power upgrade, the Geshelli beat both with the stocks opamps so, I pay 460.00 for j2s and sparkos have a coupon 30% off 60.00 for one ss3602 rca output

  • @ufopulse
    @ufopulse 10 месяцев назад

    Does this thing have an XMOS driver so I can use it for ASIO?

  • @HoundStuff
    @HoundStuff 9 месяцев назад

    Nice video, as always!

  • @itzvibe71
    @itzvibe71 10 месяцев назад +2

    Not a big fan of Korn, but you can't deny that the Mtv Unplugged album is audiophile grade. Great vocal by Amy Lee on the track Freak on a leash.

  • @TheHammerofDissidence
    @TheHammerofDissidence 10 месяцев назад +13

    Randy, would you ever consider doing ear plug reviews for live shows? Not really hifi but still, protecting hearing is crucial to our hobby. Thought it would be neat thing to review.

    • @reflection1119
      @reflection1119 10 месяцев назад +2

      Not to step on Randy's toes but the etymotic music pro is great
      Minnuendo is also not bad for a more natural sound.

    • @WisGuy4
      @WisGuy4 10 месяцев назад +2

      I prefer Vater ear plugs. Vater is one of the most popular drumstick brands among pro musicians and their ear plugs are similarly designed for musicians. One can still hear all of the music across all frequencies without damaging volume levels and one can have a conversation wearing them without having to yell “WHATTTT???” Highly recommended.

    • @TheAlmostPanda
      @TheAlmostPanda 10 месяцев назад +3

      I work in live music and the 1 of 1 customs are the creme de la creme. I wear the -17 DB versions to almost every show I work. All night comfortable and you can have a conversation in a pounding backstage and still hear most of what's going on. You do pay for it though, 200$ + you have to drive somewhere to get your ears measured.

    • @TheHammerofDissidence
      @TheHammerofDissidence 10 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the recs. I currently use cheap Downbeats which work for keeping me from going deaf but they muffle more than I like.