Judgment • S02E01 • TPN’s Angel Guide
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Sources:
Stafford, Nikki. Once Bitten: An Unofficial Guide to the World of Angel. ECW Press. 2004.
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Opening Theme
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Outro
"Favorite Secrets" by Waylon Thornton
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Passion of the Nerd reviews Judgment From Angel, Season 2, Episode 1. Directed by Michael Lange. Story by Joss Whedon & David Greenwalt. Teleplay by David Greenwalt. Starring David Boreanaz as Angel. Charisma Carpenter as Cordelia Chase. Alexis Denisof as Wesley Wyndam-Pryce. And J. August Richards as Charles Gunn. Guest Starring Andy Hallet as The Host/Lorne. Julie Benz as Darla. Christian Kane as Lindsey McDonald. Stephanie Romanov as Lilah Morgan. And Eliza Dushku as Faith Lehane. 
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I love that ominous first shot of Lorne. “It’s a demon! He looks angry. Is this a big bad?”
And then he sings. It’s soo Buffyverse, self-parody even, and sets up so much of the tone and themes in a single moment.
Didn't even know what words like "trope" and "subvert" even meant when I first saw Angel as it was broadcast.
@@defrostedrobot77 and also not completely overdone and overused (and in many cases totally misunderstood)
I hate when directors subverse expectations just for the hell of it, and feel like when Whedon did it, it was always more nuanced
@@r0w5tortion84 Yup. When Whedon subverts expectations, it always seems to have a point, to make the audience think. And not just to be "surprising" or because someone guessed the twist on Reddit.
@@TheYasmineFlower It's because Whedon et al are extremely talented storytellers. When they play around with cliches and tropes it's to make a point, it's self-aware. That's what makes these series so great to me. Like the introduction of Gunn and Wesley, the whole clash of cultures is overplayed now but it only serves to make the impact more profound when we see how their relationship grows and deepens. Wesley especially is a character that grows through cliches.
It's that deeper story beyond the surface that's glaringly lacking from the c-grade Whedon wannabes that seem to make entertainment today.
Meh, that’s what they were going for, but Lorne doesn’t look nearly intimidating enough to pull off the subversion. It would’ve been cool if they’d given him a super-creepy, intimidating look only to find out he’s got the biggest heart in the Buffyverse.
Rest in Peace Andy Hallett
Yeah, I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned. Dude died young, too. Alas.
I didn't realize he had passed. I wondered why he never did promo stuff. Absolute shame, he was my second favorite of the Buffy universe.
You know how sometimes in a show or movie, there's one character who's so colorful, so original or charming or clever, played by someone so talented or charismatic, that they just light up the screen whenever they're on it, and make even bad scenes, episodes, or stories better by their presence? For me, in Buffy, that was Spike. On Angel, its Lorne.
We'll put. He was such a great spirit that will never be forgotten.
Amazing performance by him, for me, he really became an insaparable core of the show!
Angel's eyes while he's singing Mandy is like a deer's in a headlight.
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I never really got angel being so self conscious about singing. When he grew up public singing was a big thing
@@fasdaVT did you see his mental idea of a party and... dancing? yeah, I instantly knew how Angel would be like, having to sing in front of people. XD
Hehehe yeah
Personally, I thought it was funnier when he had to sing Wang Chung.
Huh...i saw a frame from "A Hole in the World" and, coincidentally, two bugs flew into my eyes and they started to water uncontrollably. Weird.
I often have a similar infestation in my home. Those bugs are the WORST.
I was about to say how much I look forward to that review, then realized 2 things
1. It's probably going to rip my guts out in an unforgiving way
2. It's not gonna be for a while. And, considering the fact that I clicked on your channel every day until this came out, even though I have notifications and knew it wasn't there, it's going to feel like eternity.
On the plus side, it looks like you'll have me as a loyal follower for the majority of my young adult life. I can't wait
Their synchronised attack was impeccable!
*through sobs* You make me haaaappyyyy *breaks down*
@@PassionoftheNerd I can sympathize. It's so sad how Lorne was just a rolling stone. Never really had a place to call his own. It's a miracle he made it through the things he did.
I think every critisism I have with this episode can be countered by this sentence: It has Angel singing Mandy.
It doesn't move the main plot much?
Yes but it has Angel singing Mandy.
The plot with the pregnant lady feels generic?
Yes but it has Angel Singing Mandy.
The widescreen version ruins some scenes?
Yes, BUT IT HAS ANGEL SINGING MANDY!
FoxHunter - completely agree. Lol.
That was the moment I actually began to like Angel as a character.
Long story. Didn’t want to watch Angel. Friend made me. Friend said wait for the moment in S2 and you’ll finally like Angel. It happened. He was right. Lol.
Angel singing Mandy was the golden nail in the wall. This is it's own show with it's own character. He's not Buffy boyfriend.
Someone should put the music over clips of Angel's dancing from She.
Lorne was such a great character, Andy did a great job. Another talent gone too soon #RIP
Yay season 2.
I shall now dance the Dance of Joy.
No longer do the dance of joy!
Makes me sad to know we're still about a year off seeing reviews for the final 3 eps.
Where’s Numfar when we need him?
I have to admit the unprotected ratio has me laughing. It makes it seem like Angel is checking out hotties at the gym, then realizes "oh, gotta go to work."
Glad you put an image of Angel with Wesley when you said chemistry. I never bought the narrative that Angel only has great chemistry with Spike.
I really appreciated this little bit of Buffy speak..honor good redemption hard (Tree pretty fire bad)
Darla was in a hell dimension, so three years would feel like a long time from her perspective. At least that's what I think might explain it.
The way this episode introduces Lorne is nothing short of genius. I love that character.
And Angel singing and the Faith cameo were great.
Lorne is the best part of Angel.
RIP Andy Hallett.
I'm REALLY looking forward to the next episode guide. It's one of my favourite Angel episodes for many reasons.
"Oh man do I hope they lean into this relationship in the coming season."
Mean.
Do we know why that didn't happen? Was it the intention but Eliza got other work?
Oh I was just kinda pissed watching the rest of this video after you pointed out the stupid 16:9 remaster. I never knew how they made that scene work until the magic was destroyed by that reveal of David standing "out of frame".
The editing in the intro was so on point! Love the info about that next Manilow song, how interesting! I've always liked season 2 but now I'm more eager than ever to hear your thoughts. The scene with Faith is always so poignant to me, alway wished they didn't just drop that but love the moment nonetheless.
Now we just have to wait until season 4 for Andy Hallett to become a regular, despite the fact that he's in so many episodes in the previous seasons. WHY?
I'm pretty sure he gets his intro 4x14, which is the exact episode i start to want out in S4 lol.
I watched buffy years ago was so obsessed and for some reason never watched Angel. From watching the TPN Buffy Guide I am so so certain that some of those clips are gonna come back and absolutely stab me in the heart. I really appreciate the lack of spoilers and how you toe that line and make it even more special for those that have seen the whole show who get the reference.
Can't wait to come back and watch it when I understand each clip!
I watch Buffy first but once watched Angel I was utterly hooked. I do think it’s the better show even if Buffy had some truly great episodes and arcs.
Can't wait for 'Are you now or have you ever been?' Probably my favourite ever episode over both shows.
Lorne is undoubtedly my favorite Whedonverse character, with Jayne and Anya being close seconds.
Which is why I’ll never forgive “Once More, with Feeling” for not having a little Lorne ex Machina in the climax of the episode.
Angel's phone rings
Cordy: It's Willow, they've got a singing demon or something up in Sunnydale and they don't know what to do about it
Lorne: on my way
That would have been amazing!
I understand why--the need for Angel to stand on its own as a show, the shifting networks, the need to justify it it in plot--but there really was a missed opportunity for a Full Squad Crossover between Buffy and Angel. I read that the Buffy season five finale was supposed to have all of Team Angel join in, but they changed their minds.
I love Lorne so friggin much.
I so wanted him & Sweets to have a scene together.
And meeting Angel was by far the worst thing to happen to him.
Hitting me with that Lorne gut punch quick
"It will be interesting to see what his interaction for the team does for them both." You absolute bastard.
I never noticed the background reels on the opening credits!! I cannot wait for the next episode guide that’s one of my favorite Angel episodes ever!!
Don't let anyone tell you how to live your life. Live your truth, Facepunch!
Mr. Facepunch? The Passion of the Facepunch? The Passion of Mr. Facepunch?
Tom SwiftyPhilo
Facepunch of the Nerd seems violently appropriate
Really wish they had done more with Faith... Such an awesome character, wasting away in prison.
I also get something of a Cabaret vibe off Lorne, both the musical and the history it's based on. Creating a beautiful space that welcomes everyone but perhaps a little too willing to ignore that greater evils going on outside.
Lorne will forever be my favorite character in this whole universe
RIP Andy
Too bad Loren couldn't of been in "Once More With Feeling". Or some kind of sequel where he meets the musical demon Sweet.
They probably have brunch occasionally
Or Glory. He'd work with Glory pretty well.
Lorne and Oz both deserve to have been in Once More With Feeling.
@@josephdavis9234 I'd never even thought of Oz! What a waste indeed
Oh sweet Jesus, no.
Mandy represents how he misses Buffy
Mandy is buffy
I will die on this rock
Oooh, nice!
You came and you gave without taking, and I sent you away.
You kissed me and stopped me from shaking.
Yep, Bangel big style!
Absolutely, but Angel became a Manilow fan way before he even knew Buffy existed. Our champion has been looking for love for a long time. It may also not.be a coincidence that Darla and Buffy look so much alike.
@@jacksongarfield6038 i understand that. I am not saying he himself picked it because of Buffy. Just saying Whedon picked the song with that in mind. Well I believe
I came here to say that too. Agreed!
I had to pause and commend you on the brilliant introduction, especially the portentous cut-off at Darla's dusting. I was already anticipating the next lyric. Bravo, sir.
Lorne is a DARLING SWEETIE and those cuts from much later Lorne cuts really deep. He was so light and dear in his early appearances. You could see him weighed down further along the harder the mission got for the team. That weight on such a sweetie as Lorne HURTS.
I'm excited for your introduction of Fred, I don't doubt you'll select the perfect dialogue snippets to break my heart, like you did with Westley.
Finally my favorite season of Angel and the overall best in my opinion.
Season 3 is pretty strong too...
Agree, S2 is my favorite too. And only considering up to episode 18, cause I'm not a fan of the later episodes, so that's saying a lot
@@josesarango3408 that's a shame I love Pylea
@@TheDJMysterE season 3 is great but it dips in enjoyment for me after Conner is nabbed plus the backhalf also is the beginning of the end for Cordelia as a character.
Season 2 is absolutely the best, I feel like the show was never as good as the timeframe between Darla’s return and Angel’s epiphany.
I think Lorne may be my fav Buffyverse character. Yep. It is truly a genuine pleasure to hang out with the Team Angel again, furthering your last sentence.
I watch the opening credits every time and never caught the background. The Manilow songs connection with Angel and Darla blew my mind too. Awesome review
It would have been nice to have Angel check in with Faith throughout season 2
I like to believe that he went to visit her, or at least called her, on a regular basis even if we didn't necessarily see it happen on screen.
Oh, damn! I never noticed the backgrounds being different for each character during the opening credits. Damn. I love these in depth analysis videos about Angel. Now that you've started season 2, the question comes to mind, what will you do after you go through all 5 seasons?
Omarr Guerrero we’ll probably all be 70 sooo ..........retirement??
@@inessaracherrak4238 probably. But worth the wait. 😁
I think it makes sense for Angel to be excited about his future humanity. First you are given the information, and then you take your time to process it. Cordy is a great influence to keep him grounded now, but she's also lighthearted and self-centered, and let's not forget Angel "likes them both". And there's the cycle: your mind keeps taking you up and down.
Can't comment anymore, gotta go.
Thank you so much, Ian!!!
Ahh yes, Andy Hallett
The story of how he got into the show just because Whedon saw him doing fantastic karaoke always gets to me. That one DVD commentary with the comparison between his and Alexis Denisof's acting chops, where Alexis has a _lot_ of formal training while Andy holds his own during his *first job*. The memories of Mark Lutz (the Groosalugg) on that tribute comic written by John frickin' Byrne , where he remembers his best friend and the day they met while in costume (back when Groo was going to be a blue-skinned demon), and how they mocked the "lowly humans" that passed by. That one video floating around youtube where Amy Acker talks about him fondly while in tears, or the one where he himself remembers his antics with a rented schoolbus when he was 13. He was taken from us far too soon, but he and his most well-known character, Krevlorneswath from the Deathwok clan, managed to make an impact on lots of people, in ways that most couldn't even dream of with a lifetime of opportunity.
I'm sorry, if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go cry in a corner somewhere.
Such wonderful memories.
Now do the Dance of Sadness.
The way Lorne takes the mic from Angel gives me life
editing is on point already within the first minute. Also, I miss Andy Hallet, Lorne is one of the best characters ever
I really appreciate your BUFFY & ANGEL commentaries. I'm watching each show & then watching your commentaries afterwards.
BTW, 'Judgment' only has one 'e.'
'Judgement' is a common misspelling.
Man, am I so glad I have my original dvds from the early 2000's. I know this episode is considered to be one of the weakest of the season premieres but I've always liked it. Sure, Angel galloping down the street on a horse with a freaking lance is a bit over the top but it's also kinda cool. I also really like the foreshadowing of the season in the little bits strewn throughout the episode. On top of that we get the introduction of two of my favorite characters on this show...Lorne and Merl..
Oh, and hi Faith. How's prison?
Well funny thing in a recent interview, David was asked what some of his favorite memories from Angel were and he said that scene. He basically said, it was completely insane and also super cool, to be riding a horse and jousting on a street in freaking LA
And of course he said every episode with Glenn Quin
As much as l've always loved both shows, you make me see more, and feel more, about the characters and the episodes, Ian. Bravo on the insight of this review! Thank you.
l'm so happy l have them all on disc without new formating!
It's been so long. Just seeing Lorne hit home how many of my favorite fictional characters are from Angel.
I love Lorne! Andy Hallett was a wonderful actor and so sad he's gone.
Another amazing video as always. Happy to have the Angel guide back. It's still my favourite show to this day.
Also very happy that you mentioned the intro. It's one of the best intros of all time. That Darling Violetta score.
I never realised that was the mom from "One Day at a Time".
I really liked how you picked up on the way that Lorne's song at the beginning parallels Angel's journey. I particularly think that it parallels the arc of the season pretty well.
Oh, that intro was sexy af
Also totally love hearing Ian finally talk about Lorne
I so rate season 2 of Angel, though its split into two separate halves, both are fantastic. Of all the episodes, are you now or have you ever been is my favourite Angel episode, it is engine that propels Angel forward. A great review by the way (as always).
This isn't my first viewing of your buffy and angel guide. But I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for all the time and work you javelin put in them 🙏 I love binge watching these ❤️ 😍 💖
I loved all the parallels pointed out with the music selections here. I had never been made aware of that. I can't wait to hear more from you on Lorne now too. Yay!
Season 2 is my favorite season of Angel! And the next episode is one of my favorites! I'm so excited!
all4 has the entirety of Buffy and Angel in their original 4 by 3 ratios and I'm very grateful that I got to see it the way it was meant to be
5:08 Lorne's "Angel could you not murder the art of music as we know it" look is great.
Hi - I just wanted to let you know that i absolutely love your video essays! They are so well-written and well- thought out, and the editing is absolutely superb. I love buffy, but never really thought about the depths of characterization and philosophy that was written into these episodes. Your videos have taught me so much, a few of them have actually made me cry, and have actually inspired me in my writing. I don't comment much, but I just wanted to let you know how much your videos are appreciated.
Unfortunately by the time I got into Angel: The Series, Andy Hallett had already passed away. I was extremely saddened to learn that, as from his very first appearance, Lorne was by far my favorite character of the Buffyverse, rivaled only by Spike. I always felt like he, and the show, are hideously underappreciated. I honestly wasn't sure if anyone would recognize me the first time I cosplayed him at a convention.
But almost immediately, Buffy and Angel fans were popping up everywhere. And then something really beautiful began to happen. Other fans started sharing stories with me about Andy Hallett. People who had been lucky enough to have met him shared with me stories of how kind he was. That he was always so warm and welcoming to fans, always happy to meet them and take pictures with them.
A woman who had the chance to meet him not long before he passed shared her story about his last appearance at a convention. We teared up together as she spoke of just how excited he was to meet the fans and that he tried to talk for a little bit with every person who came to see him. She said she shared a wonderful conversation with him just about little things how she will always remember that.
Lorne has since become a regular cosplay of mine at several West Coast conventions and every time, I meet wonderful people who are full of love and memories of this wonderful actor and fantastic character. I never got to meet him but in small ways I feel like I get to know him just a little from all the stories other fans have shared.
Really looking forward to the rest of the guide!
OH MANDY
Well you came and you gave without TAK-ING
@@PassionoftheNerd BUT I SET YOU AWAY OH MANDY
Lorne was always my favourite character. We miss you Andy 😔
great video as always. RIP Andy Hallett, he's such a bright spot in the show
Yaaaas! I had a horrible day at work and seeing this pop up in my notifications was such a joy, I love Angel season 2 and I know you're guide for it will be outstanding as ever!
Feels like I've been waiting forever for another Angel guide! Definitely worth the wait! Thank you for a very well done and insightful video!
Can't wait for the rest of these, this was by far my favorite season of Angel. These episode guides you do are fantastic.
3:48 I only just realised that's foreshadowing Lorne's fate as much as it is Angel's
The Barry Manilow and Chopin tie-in gave me goosebumps. I just love how the writers don't feel the need to go "look at what we did, how good we are" they just respect our intelligence, and trust us to find these things if we care enough. Amazing.
I've seen most of ur links before you said them. But this episode. The link between music and the series. It got me. I'm a music major too. It shook me. Keep at it cant wait for the next video!
The various words replacing champion cracked me up so hard, oh my God.
Love this series of videos, dude! You’re doing such a great job.
That point about why they had Angel sing Manilow is so cool
Excellent video. I’ve loved them all so far. You have a fantastic speaking voice. As a side job you would make a great audiobook narrator. You probably have all the necessary equipment already.
Yaaaaaay. It might actually be slightly unhealthy how much I love this series.
This is the first and last time we see Angel wearing the claddagh ring, an acknowledgment of his desire to be human with Buffy
See? All of that hard work paid off! Brilliant vid!
a demon karaoke bar is literally the best concept in television history
Finally it's here! I'm a new follower and I LOVE your work on this channel! Angel is one of my favorite series
I remember falling in love with Lorne immediately when I saw him. Best character ever.
Yes Ian.. love this show love your work.. Lorne is a great character love him from now until the end.. can't wait for ep 2 it's one of the best in the run..
Something I never noticed until just now while rewatching buffy in Angel's opening theme song near the beginning the shot of the woman standing in the street is from Buffy 3x01 Anne
YES SEASON 2 GUIDE IS HERE
For the comments toward the end of the video. It could be the reality of release. So this episode came out months after the end of the first season. Before the era of streaming you had limited options to get caught up. So this episode restates things as a refresher and a way to bring in new viewers. Here are the characters, who they are, and where we might be going. Additionally we a shown a world that isn't black and white. LA has it's mix of good/bad demons/humans and it's own society. It's a quick rundown of season 1 without the growing pains.
Most importantly I think it's an opener that doesn't require knowledge of Buffy(helps) but you can get the gist of folks like Darla.
8:24 Great quick use of the "goodnight folks" clip! :D
Lorne might be my favorite fictional character of all time. Just as season 1 is painful to watch because of the tragedy that befell Glenn Quinn, pretty much all of the rest of the run of Angel has plenty of sorrow to go along with the joy. RIP Andy Hallett. What a talent.
Krevlornswath "Lorne" of the Deathwok Clan. BEST NAME EVER!
Well the whole keeping score bit actually makes sense as a season 2 opener - since you can see they've ended up making a scoreboard of sorts and that would have had an effect on Angel as well, and he began potentially thinking 'we are almost there' and it's less about helping people, and suddenly about adding another tag on the completed objective.
It's a reopener of Angel's eyes that he sees that he became blinded by the potential reward, and forgot about what the job was all about - saving lives and souls.
Oy my goodness, that intro was spot on!
Looking forward to your take on Darla's coming shapter in Angel. Drusilla may be the favorite of the two, and I understand why, but I developed a soft spot for Darla after being brought back.
One thing to remember is that, when Angel season 2 started, DVDs were a thing, but they and their players were expensive, and Blockbuster didn't rent them yet. Also, when you consider how much Angel season 1 changed it's goals from the original idea of a procedural, I think it makes a certain amount of sense for this episode to kind of restate things.
Lorne is literally the reason I kept watching Angel. He was such a different sort of take on the "Buffyverse" demons that I was completely bought into the matter.
Immediately clicked! Love this series 🥰❤😍
glad that i listen your advice and watching right version of shows
I’ve never clicked a notification so fast
I love Lorne. He's my favorite character on the show.
Fantastic work as always, Ian. Also, piss off with that opening music switch lol.
Love it. Love it. Love it. - Every. Single. Episode.
I feel soo blessed 😅 I have the classic DVD‘s in the classic format 😇
I know it might be a bit late, but the B roll behind the cast is color coded, which adds a lot more depth to the opening:
Gunn - Orange: humor, energy, balance, warmth, enthusiasm, vibrant, expansive, flamboyant
Angel - Blue: faith, spirituality, contentment, loyalty, fulfillment peace, tranquility, calm, stability, harmony, unity, trust, truth, confidence, conservatism, security, cleanliness, order, sky, water, cold, technology, depression
Cordelia - Green: healing, soothing, perseverance, tenacity, self-awareness, proud, unchanging nature, environment, healthy, good luck, renewal, youth, vigor, spring, generosity, fertility, jealousy, inexperience, envy
Wesley - Yellow: wisdom, knowledge, relaxation, joy, happiness, optimism, idealism, imagination, hope, sunshine, summer, dishonesty, cowardice, betrayal, jealousy, covetousness, deceit, illness, hazard
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it.
A lot of good directors use colors in this way to emphasize certain aspects of the characters main traits, and while not everything in that list is valid, I thought it was a neat thing to point out.
Love the video can’t wait til the next!!! Ah this season are gonna be crazy
Can't wait for the guide on Are you Now or Have you ever been. 🤞🏼