FULL DEBATE: Ustadh Ehsan Arshad VS Ashari - Aqeeda Of Ibn Jarir Al Tabari
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2022
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#salafi
#ashari
#athari
#aqeeda
#creed
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I will download this video so that in case it will be removed I can re-upload it again.
@@orthodoxmuslim baarakallaahu feekum
@@hamzahdomeih7750 wa iyyakum
@@orthodoxmuslim Download as I may need to get it from you as effiminate asharis are not being men/ honest, Tawhid ties to safety Quran 24 :55, men are to protect nisa, Q 4 :34! Ashari error in Allah's Siffat tied to error in ghaib opens sufis misuse hadith of dreams, teach ghulu grave worship & get colonized while salafi lands lower graves and despite flaws are still safer!
Pushing cultism in name of 4 mathabs, sufi asharis are half shi'a mutazilas. Asharis talk on siffat without Quran, attacks belief in ghaib makes Din look incomplete at base, opens sufi talk on prophecy with priestly ideas of dreams leads to grave shirk & divide, when shahada's purpose is Tawhid & unity! other similarities :
Ways (some) sufis imitate she'a or hindu pagans : 1) Grave worship.
2) Mawlid aka she'a christmas made centuries later just like x-mas.
3) Saying Prophet peace and blessings on him is made from divine light...
4) Saying Allah created us due to the Prophet peace and blessings on him violating Quran 51 :56 - Allah created us to worship Him!
5) Sufis imitate hindus saying their good deeds will make them one with Allah who is everything.
sufis claim to do it in one life time, to the point some of them say their angels don't write their bad deeds, this was never said by Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him or the sahabas RAdiyallahu anhum and hindus with reincarnation claim to do it in many.
6) Some say the Prophet peace and blessings on him knew the unseen without restriction like she'as do with ahlul bayt violating Quran 6 :50 & 59!
7) Ghulu with imams: she'a say Quran corrupted/incomplete, sufis say Tafsir incomplete and gets inspiration in dreams to change din (violating Quran 5 :3) like those priests who say holy spirit is everywhere!
(When Allah is above the Arsh and pagan say Allah is everywhere to justify idolatry or creation worship like with Jesus or the hindus though in bible is says Allah is above the throne and in hindu scripture vedas it says Muhammad peace and blessings on him will come with light like Islam from Allah from above the heavens)
by opening up unlimited bida they divide the umma and weaken them intellectually with ext. taqlid
(many never move from Quran 21 :7 asking ahlul thikr to Quran 12 :108 learning clear proofs which is linked to Tawhid, which is done by Quran 9 :100 isnad/ahlul athar & salafi manhaj to sahabas Radiyallahu anhum and sahih hadiths, they just use names of imams w/o checking dalil... while taqlid over dalil is linked to shirk in Quran 9 :31. this prevents the individuals of the umma to be knowledge based individuals forming knowledge based communities as Islam teaches instead pushes cultism)...
also all the bida divided and makes ppl reunite on something else like secularism like with christians or sufi Uthmanis, salafis could of prevented that...
- First person given title Sufi was Jabir ibn Hiyyan who is Student of Baqir a shi'a in history - Sh. Ehsan Elahi Zahiir!
This just reminds me of Sheikh Uthman debating christians. The haqq and it's people are always consistent wherever you find them.
And that consistency builds, we have our pillars of Islam to guide community, 6 of iman for individuals, Fard al Ayn/individuals, then we have Ihsan and learning sciences of Islam, starting with Athari Tawhid to build the 5 pillars of Shari, din, life, mind, family and money, which other then din is fard ul Khaffaya/specialists!
Quran 2 :31 - And He (Allah), taught Adam the names...
And we have Manhaj or methods and priorities of dawa from individual to soceity to gain more then we lose every step we build. Example is Surah Luqman!
Asha’ari guy is like a christian trying to explain the Trinity in a logical way lol
Jumping from topic to topic. Emotional arguments. Forced laughter to pretend to be in control. Failed to prove his point. Then claims victory.
Typical behaviour of bid'ah merchants
He even resorted to blocking me on Twitter after many back and forths between the two of us, I exposed his arguments as well as made a thread on the outrageous things he said. To the point where Farid Responds got involved and backed what I said, exposing how much of a fraud this ashari really is.
@@ibmsulaymani Someone that lies about the deen of Allah ﷻ, will lie and behave arrogantly with everyone else as well. We'll see were his ash'ari beliefs get him in the long run
@Sahib Aqua?
@Sahib oh okay
@@ibmsulaymani was it regarding some claim that some salafi stole his work and published it
Not sticking to the topic is a consistent attribute of the people of kufr and bid'ah.
& then they lie about you with no proof, they make unIslamic claims and reply with unIslamic manners, they aren't real men or honest!
🔴 When Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) was asked of his opinion of the one who says i do not know whether Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens or on the earth,
Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) said:
He has disbelieved, because Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) says: “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne”, and His Throne is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) seven heavens.
He was then asked, what if he said that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Throne but he does not know whether the Throne is in the heavens or on the earth he said, he has disbelieved. because he has denied that He (subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens
[Quoted in Al-Uluww of Adh»Dhahabi, also in Sharh Aqeedah At»Tahawiyyah of Ibn Abi AI-lzz AI»Hanafi]
🔴 lmaam Malik (Rahimahullah) said when replying to the one who asked, ‘How did Allah make lstawaa? (Ascension above the Throne),
Al-lstawaa is Known, and its how is unknown, to have faith in it is obligatory, and to question it is an innovation.” Then he said to the questioner, “i do not think except that you are an innovator” and he ordered him to be expelled.
[Quoted in AI-Asmaa was Sifaat’ Page #.516]
🔴 Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said:
The belief that I am upon, and I saw Our Companions, the Ashab-ul- Hadith (People of hadith) - like Imaam Malik and Sufvan and others - to be upon is:
Affirming the testimony that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) and that Muhammad (Sal-Allahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) is the Messenger of Allah. And that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His Throne. above His heaven. He comes close to His creation howsoever He Wills, and He (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Descends to the lowest heaven howsoever He Wills.
[Quoted in ‘Awn aI-Ma’bood’ (13/41), and ibn Abu Ya’la reports it in ‘Tabaqaat aI»Hanaabilaa‘ (1/283) with a chain of narration linked back to lmaam Ash-Shafi’ee.)
Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said on another occasion:
“To Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) belong Names and Attributes that occur in His Book and His Prophet informed to the nation. It is not possible for anyone to refute (radd) them. So the one who contradicts this after the evidence has been established against him then he is a kafir (disbeliever), and as for before the establishment of the proof then he is excused due to ignorance, because the knowledge of that cannot be attained through the intellect. So we affirm these Attributes and we negate tashbeeh (likening Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) to creation) as Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) negated it by saying, ‘there is nothing like Him.”‘
[Quoted in ‘Siyar A’Iaam an-Nubalaa’ (10/80)]
🔴 lmaam Ahmad (Rahimahullah) was asked: “Allah is above the seventh heaven, above His Throne. distinct from his creation, and His Power and Knowledge are in every place?”
He (Rahimahullah) replied:
Yes. above the Throne and His Knowledge is in every place
(Quoted in Sharh Usool ilal‘tiqaad]
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To deny Allah is over His arsh is way of firaun (Quran 40 :37)
To say Allah's Siffat (Qabr or others) are parts is pagan Qaraish (Quran 53 :19)
To deny Allah's speech can be heard is of idolaters of Ibrahim. (Quran 21 :65)
To say Allah doesn't change rejects Allah's will & hadith intercession (Sahih Muslim, Kitab Iman).
Subhan Allah ! What the ashari had except to call us Wahhabis.
44:20, im an arab and this guy is a liar, no one uses istawat this way. another lie is him saying he isn't egyptian i am 100% sure he is egyptian, he is just hiding it for some reason, no one uses the word gada3 but an Egyptian, his whole dialect and accent is egyptian, this guy is a professional kathab.
Mashallah may Allah SWT reward our ustadh Ehsan Arshad, he is our imam at Islam dewsbury
May Allah preserve br Ehsan,represented Ahlussunnah so perfectly that the Ash'ari started desperately copyright striking and claiming it was "edited"
The CREED of Sunnah is the Creed of the Great Asharea may Allah protect them
@@mollysteel142
Really?
The Asha’ariyah came out in the 4th century, why did they clash with the Salaf and the the earlier Hanabila ?
Abu Hasan Al Ashari was a Mu’tazila for first 40 years of his life later on came back from this and started to follow Abdullah Ibn Kullab, same one imam Ahmad called an innovator (some Say Abu Hasan repented) but the Asha’ariyah took on the same Aqeedah as the Kullabiyah. Go use ur logic with maths, these issues clearly go above ur head.
@@user-br1qk6mt6k Ibn Kaṯīr said in Bidāyah wa-n-Nihāyah that he was a Muʿtaziliyy and later repented on the minbar.
@@chiggen_wings5703 bring the Arabic quote for this, page and volume included, Bcuz that’s bogus. And let’s say for argument sakes it’s true, key word is ‘he repented’, so what’s ur point lol
@@user-br1qk6mt6k
وقد كان الأشعري معتزليا فتاب منه بالبصرة فوق المنبر، ثم أظهر فضائح المعتزلة وقبائحهم
When someone does not want to quote Evidence. This is a sign of the People of Opinion.
MasyaAllah.. Utter destruction.. complete anihilation really..
Can you give time stamps .
What an emotional ash'ari.
Adam Davidson / Abu Malik al Rumi better not remove this video 😡
Masha Allah
I am shocked with this ashari voice and behavior. He sounds arrogant. He had nothing with him
Because asharis have no proof against Salafi / ahl hadith . So they use Greek philosophy and they want us to fall for it . Imagine trusting Aristotle over the proof from Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the salaf.
Ehsan is very very arrogant
@@saqibimran9342 Allah ask you to be just in the Quran so I hope you are
Does anyone know if ustadh Ehsan has his own RUclips channel, I would like to hear more from him insha'Allah
This channel contains some audio clips of his. ruclips.net/channel/UC_gISAfwOD0wSlcGWkl6-Ng
@@ibmsulaymani jazakAllah khair akh
@@ibmsulaymani Jazak Allahu Khayr I know the Salaf had different Aqida then Ashari & Ehsan points out the salaf refuted mutazila different then later Khulab Asharis w/o kalam which is a big point & this doesn't get into how Sh. Ashari himself repented in al ibanah! We don't need Kalam we have Qiyas!
His videos are posted on islam Dewsbury but they have not been posting at the minute. But that’s where you’ll find his videos usually
Wow never have i ever been so frustrated by someones way of speaking (Minhaji)
Ehsan asks name its Mohibudin, who says lets talk on Tabari on istiwa.
asking about an exchange on twitter...
Mohibidin say we say Istiwa isn't physical acc. to Tabari, its not sitting and climbing like in gospels but istiwa mulk & sultan. Its not understood like you, tabari says its Mulk!
Ehsan says we are talking Quran 2 :29 and ala in other verses! I want to ask what do you think we mean by Istiwa.
mOhibidin says which group, your ppl have drive bys that you deny there are groups.
Ehsan says Ibn Taymiyyah
Mohibidin say Ibn Taymiyyah has belief of christians like physical istiwa.
Ehsan says can you quote Ibn taymiyyah
Mohibidin, you are Wahabis and I am not going to quote that he follows gospels.
**Ehsan says Let the record show you can't quote ibn Taymiyah**
Imam Tabari is some meanings is Istiwa is Ulu, etc. quoted Rabea
10 :00 - Some say Allah did Istiwa som say it was the smoke! Tabari ascribes this to Allah. He doesn't mention mulk or sultan! After mentioning different meanings says Allah elevated over the arsh! And created the 7 heavens with His Ability!
(Even imam Tahawi says Allah Rose).
mOhib responds salafis aren't one groups, they disagree on attributes, had a drive by... says this is christianity w/o the child.
20 :00 - says Tabari says some ppl say istiwa doesn't mean Ulu.
say Asharis believe in ulu, it can be a ceo in the basement!
It's not moving.
Ehsan says you sound Arab, but you are not, because it would be musabih.
Ehsan says 3 points, you say Ulu Iltifah doesn't have to be physical, wheres evidence?
Ule Ale is above it! Tabari didn't mention mulk and sultan!
You say Majaz but where's evidence!
Tabari has given example, fulan istiwa ala sariri. Ulu itifah!
30 :30 - What is Maana mufhim?
Iqbal tatbi? ilzam?
if you say itstiwa tatbir, then its after creation of heavens and EArth.
Allah is always the Lord! Is Allah attaining new attributes to greco khulabi?
(Also Surah Haqqa :19 says the 8 angels carry Allah's Throne & Allah is above it or above the Ashari interpretation as well, so are 8 angels = to Allah's sultan acc. to the ignorant khulabis)
Imam Tabari in surah 20 :5, Ar Rahman Ala Arsh Istiwa! Istiwa Alayhe...
It doesn't make sense to say Allah didn't conquer the Throne/mulk before!
Tabari, Allah is with you, means Allah sees you, and Allah is over the Throne!
Surah 58 :7 - what does Tabari say, Allah is with them and Allah is over His Arsh!
You are claiming w/o evidence ( ever since he slandered Ibn Taymiyyah)
40 :00 - Ehsan says :
Can you say Ulu itifah and Istiwa Alaa.
be precise with context!
can you bring example of majaz meaning of uli itifah with Istiwa ila or Ala Istiwa.
mohib says words ulu and iftifah in Arabic can be used to not mean physical movement!
rafaa talib aala thumalahi, student was raised above his classmates, his status is hired!
its in the dictionary!
they say physical nuzul, haraqa, intiqad, zawal... etc.
50 :00 - claims Ibn Taymiyyah is Wahabi.
we say Allah always had tatbir, we don't claim creatures need to be around Allah for Him to be Khalaq like ibn Taymiyah!
says this discussion is only because of Ibn Taymiyyah and Wahabiyah!
we need months to understand Tabari! When he discusses, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him sitting next to Allah! fabrication attributed to Mujahid!
No issue of the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him on the arsh!
says this is from christians, large discussion of Jesus sitting next to God to rule mankind!
Says Imam Tabari is just mentioning this believe, some say Allah sat on the Arsh, with a space for the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him!
Ehsan says you don't answer the points, you didn't respond to me bringing up the ayat of Imam Tabari!
We don't need ibn Taymiyah or ibn Abd. Wahab. If we jsut speak f salaf, they dont' speak of jism etc.
1 :00 :30 - Trust me you wouldn't stand a chance if we quote just Salaf.
every ashari is different! they all say only they have knowledge!
Asrar Rashid, says he doesn't bring your arguments, they are weak.
Tabari explains his creed, Allah is above w/o mulk and sultan!
He also wrote Sirar & Sunna tabsir alamu din where he destroyed Jahmi kkhulabis.
He said Firaun in Q 40 :37, Tabari said Firaun is saying Musa us lying Allah is above the throne!
the cab driver with an Ashari imam doesn't know teh AShari creeed ( but he knows the Quran and its Athari)
Bayjuri says be aware, majority believe Allah is over the Arsh!
you just repeat things. did salaf say, Aqidah Darimi, Aqidah Raziyayn, Usul us Sunnah, Shar Sunna lala Ka'ee, Muzani Shar Sunnah!
Mohib closing statement, we don't need to get into discussion ( or dalil apparenty) I don't believe Wahabis have academic, we see tampering and twisting ( quoting isn't twisting), and you have no evidence you mistranslate!
Tabari says in ayatul Kursi, Ulu, ala Qudratihi. Says you understand and force read it into text and fabricating (darimi's book) is made up, Usul Sunnah has issues in the chain. says hanabilah we don't know where it came from, raad jahmiyah.
If we look at book of Muzani its aqidah Ashairah!
says Ilm Aqida and ilm Kalam is 2 different things. ( yea Islam is complete w/o it).
1 :10 :00 - laymen has no mathhab, when we ask laymen id we ask does Allah have an eye or a million ( ashari strawman imposing their own ignorance) they will say its scientology! and then says this straw man is Wahabiya...
says Jahmiya and Mutazila try to cancel it out. its disbelief as is other side.
Mutawali shafi, Abu ishaq etc.
says you mistranslate, issue is you twist scholars, thats why I used dictionary, it could mean what you say but not really!
Says Allah is bigger then everything...
says Ibn taymiyyah says Gospel is tampered via tawil and not wording...
says we say words come out of Allah!
says Imam Bagawai as tafsir for Quran 20 :5, repeated it.
Tabari in aqidah book, says al Maa;ni, not siffat Ayn... Maan'i as not physical,
says Humaidi says repeat the verse and goes after!
imam mutawali, al ghunya, if ppl stop tampering with these verses, we will stop using tawil!
1 :20 :00 - Q & A!
mohib said i studied since 98 as a teen.
Ehsan is asked about literal Physical meaning of Istiwa acc. to Tabari.
says Its an action, Over it. Allah elevated!
In Sari Sunna, Allah is above the Arsh! whoever says other then this is astray!
We dont need to say tatbir or istilah, they give meanings (which is real tampering).
They ask is Allah physical, we don't say Allah is like anything in this world, but we say Allah exists!
Ehsan is asked to Respond to Ulu being power in Tafsir Kursi.
Tabari says Aliyul Atheem.
ppl of bahar they said He is Most Highest and they rejected Allah is High in a place, they say He is in every place, this is Hururiyah, meaning is He is Most high over His creation in Highness in place over His creation! creation is beneath Him just as Allah is over the Arsh!
Imam Tahawi contain creation but not Allah.
Allah is outside creation and not contained!
1 :30 :00 - acuses tawil of Allah has 2 Right Hands, we say Allah has 2 Right Hands truly!
Had can mean separation.
Solomon Taymi, Bhukari has a book Khalq af al al Ibad, If I am asked where is Allah before Rising over the Throne, I say La Adree.
mohib says like the torat, Ehsan says Tabi'in said the toerat and its fitrah to say Allah is over the Throne!
Ehsan , there are scholars who can bring these works! Rashid Saedan, saleh Sindi, Sultan ubairri.
Works like Khalq Adila Tawhid Rububiya wa siffat, Tamim ibn Abdul Aziz!
Raad sayat al Asri by Dr. Mahmud Kudayl!
says Mohib says I tampered the words but he gives no place I did it!
he didn't address the evidences in tabari!
general beleif, are they going to make tawil or believe it!
Khulabi Aqida is derived from aristotle.
Show ayat to the laymen and you see they agree with the Athari!
He said Wahabis say Allah is biggest? why not cite.
Jahmiyah say Allah is everywhere, Tabari refutes this!
Tabari states we believe in meanings and hadith as they are!
Tabari says we affirm Siffat but not as creation who are deficient, but as perfect!
Sarih Sunna of Tabari, speaks on Siffat and Kalam of Allah.
Asri mentions Tabari as not a mufawidah!
He says Mohib says repeat verse and be silent, Ehsa says yes the problem is you make tawil, we take it on its apparent meaning!
We see Khulabis ppl have stereotypes, distort and speculate but no evidence!
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
What poor mannerisms from this misguided individual. And they say Salafis have poor manners, he makes the ghulaat from us look like they are the Zuhaad of the Tab’in.
و الله المستعان
From my own experiences, I used to follow Sufi orders over 20 years ago who are supposed to be calm and spiritual but I found many people with seriously poor manners calling out other Muslims and then I went with some Salafis who I originally hated and called them wahabis and extremes Najdis or whatever but they are some of the most nicest and well mannered brothers I have come across even though there are some salafi brothers with very poor manners. I'm not here to say who is on the correct path or who isn't but I'm a firm believer in correcting oneself instead of insulting each other by calling people misguided or deviant because only Allah (swt) knows what is in our hearts
@@brothersman524 alot of sufis go from zuhud to making the haram halal and just don't care... very arrogant, what can you say about a sect like this except its fake!
sufi dajjal nazim said his angel doesn't write his bad deeds, Awuthubillah!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 I think there are some nice brothers who follow the Sufi path so I don't like to bad mouth like that even though I may not agree with their ways in the same way that they don't agree with mine. As for Shaykh Nazim, no comment. My focus to correct myself first - how to respect other people without name-calling, having good manners and character, praying on time, doing dhikr, read Quran daily and try your best to understand the meanings. read Seerah, do as much duroods, fasting, praying tahajjud, payig zakah and so on. When I see brothers name-calling each other, it truly saddens me; I've been name-called many times but people who do this to fellow muslims are insecure and immature, and have hatred in their hearts. I love all my Muslim brothers for the sake of Allah (swt) whether they are Barelwi/Sufi, Deobandi or Salafi/Wahabi
@@brothersman524 I agree not all are like that, sadly imams of bida got more knowledge & employ more trickery to turn others from truth, so it's good to lead with good character & know it so we can clarify truth, push aside nonsense & leave if needed to reflect. Focus on selves & ummah to grow & rewards!
@@brothersman524 There's hadith of bankrupt if one names call wrongly they lose good deeds to the person or get the other's sin. It's no good to say "Wahabi", Al Wahab is an excl. name of Allah, we don't say Allahi right? Secret aqida is another fitna! Sadly Barveli do shirk & liken creation to Allah, view this, as for deobandis :
**Sufi Preacher Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi Says Prophet Muhammad Share In Divine Attributes Of Allah**
- By The Creed and Methodology of As-Salaf As-Saalih
**What Has Mufti Menk Taught You About Islam?**
- By Nasir Al Hanbali!
Bismillah!
Ehsan that was a super combo
As an Arab and I have bachelorette in Arabic language,these Egyptian is just talking he doesn't know what he saying يدخل ويخرج في الكلام ويدعي أشياء كثيرة لا يستدل عليها ،فقط لانه يعرف كلمتين من اللغة العربية فهذا عنده دليل لا حول ولا قوه الا بالله 🤦🏻♂️
The Asha’ari guy is all over the place, it feels like a christian trying to explain the trinity in a logical way.
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استوت الاسعار إلى السماء 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bro I can't believe he said that 😂😂
Is Minhaji claiming he's a White American? The guy is obviously Egyptian.
Nah bro I’ve seen his picture, he doesn’t look Egyptian at all, he’s definitely White American. Though from what I know he moved to Egypt when he was very young and thus picked up their dialect.
@@ibmsulaymani wait where did you see his picture
@@kororoko9746 twitter
@@nasirabdiwahid2942 which exact post
He's obviously another Hamza Yusuf copycat...!
name of Ashari please
Eshan said at-tarbiyy said in explaining when explaining soorah taahaa ayah 5 and at-tabariyys statement as ^ala and this means he rose over it this cannot mean other than the physical aboveness according to him.
Allah said in the 91st verse of Al-Mu’minun:
Which means.
There was never a god with Him. Had there been, then every god would have taken what it created and some of them would have ˆala (dominated) ˆala (over ) others.>>
Likewise the messenger of الله said
God existed eternally and nothing else existed. Al bukhariyy
Indeed God exists without a place. Aboo manSoor baghdadiyy said [The people of Ahlu s-Sunnah] have unanimously agreed on the fact that Allah is not contained in a place. In farqul baynal firaq.
Allah is above the seven heavens, over the throne.
Not the same context as he said in the debate