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A response to the detractors -Br.Ehsan.
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2022
- Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
“Do you know what backbiting is?” They said: “Allah and his messenger know best.” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “To mention your brother in a way he dislikes.” It was said: “What do you think if what I said about him is true?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,): “If what you say about him is true, it is backbiting. If it is not true, it is slander.”
-Sahih Muslim 2589.
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May Allah reward you for your good Adab while presenting your point of view.
At-ta’ssab Al-Madhaby - fanaticism - Blind Taqleed - Hizbiyyah & ‘Ilm-ul-Kalaam makes it difficult for ppl to be respectful and civilised.
Mocking ppl, running after views and trying to increase and or keep their fan base is what it’s CLEARLY all about with these individuals.
I wouldn’t waste anymore time with them if I were you as they ARE NOT interested in the TRUTH.
May Allaah bless you Shaykh, when will you come to us in SD in Cali
Abu Usamah, your comment 'not interested in the truth‘ is subjective and can be applied to you and the brother in the video, along with the rest of the comments about the fan base etc.
Aren't you going to mention to the brother, about how Muslims are leaving Islam and teenage pregnancies like you with the opposition?
Oh dear you have time for this, while our brothers are leaving islam impregnating sisters, selling drugs and so on.
(Taste of your own medicine)
Wdym ta’assub in following a madhab? Distinguish between Taqleed and Ta’assub in Taqleed lol. There’s centuries of Ijma’ of the obligation on Taqleed, it is the way of the Qadariyyah sects to be against Taqleed. And I am speaking in context of a laymen.
Salafis have no adab and are narrow minded.
It was the adab of the early scholars to accept and respect the difference of opinions unlike salafis who force their opinions down the throat of opinion. So yes salafis need to fix up first before inviting others towards adab and akhlaq
May Allah Guide Everyone!
Ameen
I am a graduate of a deobandi madrasah and I am a salafi Alhamdulillah. I know these deobandis inside out and they are some of the most ignorant two faced individuals you’ll ever come across.
Are you one of those who also ran away from debating them? Lol
@@abyrahman6610 lol akh I stayed there 8 years and every time they tried to throw one of their shubha at me I went into the books to find the answers, it forced me to do a lot of research Alhamdulillah . ولله الحمد the stories are so many I don’t know where to start but Alhamdulillah many accepted the correct aqeedah after we had very long discussions. The sincere ones actually do listen and try and understand, these two are clueless and I don’t think even the deobandis respect them. They’re not even on the level of a basic student of knowledge.
Plus the deobandis don’t really even study aqeedah at all. Where I studied They only started teaching tahawiyyah in the last few years and that’s taught within 6 weeks or so. Majority of them are actually clueless when it comes to aqeedah, at least in the UK. I’m sure usman and Abu Halwa are actually getting their ishkalaat from the internet and don’t read even the books of the people of Kalam
@@asharibasha you can make claims all day long! Where did you study?? Lets arrange a sit down with these Maulanas. Please don't be one of those Salafis who makes claims but then when the time comes, you make excuses like.."we don't discuss with jaahils"
@@abyrahman6610 bro all due respect to you I have dealt with serious Asharis and matureedis and these guys don’t even come close to serious students of knowledge. I am just making claims? If you respect those two then I am a graduate from a major deobandi institute but of course you won’t respect me now because I’m on the salafi aqeedah. Sitting with the likes of those guys is not beneficial for many reasons. Have you yourself actually studied aqeedah?
The Haqq shall prevail
JazakAllahu khair for exposing their duplicity, arrogance and absolute ignorance.
Don't waste time debating them, they do not intend to incline towards the truth.
hes the one who WANTED to debate them and then hes the one who BACKED OUT
Great Job ustadah. Salafi brothers please let’s get this video out to as many people as we can. This is help massively when it comes to haqq vs batil.
👍
I want to hear ur story how u became ex deobandi bro
@@ghulamqadiri638 why is that relevant to you lol, your a brealvi
@@exdeobandi5373 haha was general question bro
@@ghulamqadiri638 let’s just say allah guided me
Now matter how much knowledge you have, if you have bad manners then knowledge is nothing. Seriously when people resort such lows, it's a sad state. Keep up the good work brother.
If you don’t have manners, you don’t have knowledge. And an evidence is the embarrassing and emotional approach these Deobandi Sufis have shown. May Allah guide their blind followers to the Haqq
لَقَد أَسمَعتَ لَو نادَيتَ حَيّاً
وَلَكِن لا حَياةَ لِمَن تُنادي
وَلَئِنْ أَتَيْتَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ بِكُلِّ ءَايَةٍۢ مَّا تَبِعُواْ قِبْلَتَكَ ۚ وَمَآ أَنتَ بِتَابِعٍۢ قِبْلَتَهُمْ …."
"إن الذين حقت عليهم كلمة ربك لا يؤمنون . ولو جاءتهم كل آية حتى يروا العذاب الأليم"
"قَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ يَنبُوعًا
أَوْ تَكُونَ لَكَ جَنَّةٌ مِّن نَّخِيلٍ وَعِنَبٍ فَتُفَجِّرَ الأَنْهَارَ خِلالَهَا تَفْجِيرًا
أَوْ تُسْقِطَ السَّمَاء كَمَا زَعَمْتَ عَلَيْنَا كِسَفًا أَوْ تَأْتِيَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْمَلائِكَةِ قَبِيلاً
أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَى فِي السَّمَاء وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّى تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إِلاَّ بَشَرًا رَّسُولا"
What do these verses have to do with the issue at hand.
Amazing advise, only if my Salafi's brothers took this advise the whole Muslim World would have been a better place and we could have avoided so much Fitnah, the Salafi are more in need of this advise than any other Muslims on the Planet.
Let's understand the difference between harshness in refuting the deviations in Islam and general harshness of behaviour.
Being hard on deviants and refuting them is not against aaddab and akhlaq. It was the way of salaf. Let's educate ourselves.
It was the adab of the early scholars to accept and respect the difference of opinions unlike salafis who force their opinions down the throat of people. So yes salafis need to fix up first before inviting others towards adab and akhlaq
@@abdullahibnmiah2986 it's utterly naive thinking that only salafis don't have adaab, Go to the meelad celebrations being conducted these days to see the aadaab and akhlaaq of so called fake sunnis and others. Only a moron can say that salafi scholars like Bilal philips, Tim humble, and so many else like them have no manners.
Secondly, the most important is the misconception that difference of opinion was tolerated per se... Only difference of opinion in fiqhi matters of furoo was tolerated, in the matters of aqeeda, tawheed and shirk, sunnah and biddah, salaf were very firm and also harsh sometimes. Read the books of salaf to know the facts. Seek knowledge first.
As Imam Bukhari Rahimahullah stated knowledge precedes action.
@@faizahmed8076 I have studied than you youtube students of the likes of Dawah man, Ehsan, Tim Humble so stay quiet 🤫
@@abdullahibnmiah2986 put in practice what you have studied also brother.
As for likes of Tim humble and Dr Bilal philips and their likes they have studied from Islamic university of medina... From the blessed land itself.
So thinking that they have no knowledge and adaab while you have doesn't reflect so positively on you. Anyway, it's a futile argument when someone is hell bent on following their desires opposed to the crystal clear deen of pious salaf.
Allah hu akabr
Allahumma Barik. Beautifully constructed response by Ustadh Ehsan to the detractors.
34:31 im not one to watch debates but this one was absolutely embarrassing for the detractors. Watched it back so many times after watching this video, "shaykh" asrar rashid made the detractors look utterly clueless & out of their depth. (May Allah Azawajal guide Asrar Rashid to Salafiyyah).
So glad that Ustadh Ehsan did not waste further time on these detractors after all this time, the way they (the detractors) have been behaving since over 2 months is nothing short of shameful. Allahu Mustaan.
Keep up the fantatsic work Ustadh Ehsan. We need more like you to (by the permission of Allah Subhana Wa Ta Aala) guide our lost "apna" brothers & sisters away from the beliefs of the detractors (who are large in numbers especially here in Yorkshire) & be guided upon Tawheed & Salafiyyah.
Your buddy Asrar Rashid wet his pants seeing the Ulema of Ahlusunnah wal Jama'ah there to confront him with the books of his scholars. Then he resorted to mockery just like you guys when couldn't find anything. Now the fact that you have bought it up here, shows how down you fall just for the sake of a debate.
Sheikh you should have mentioned when he said something about giving thalaq to his wife if he mocked
انا لست سلفيا لكن و الله جاوزتَهما في الأدب و العقل. الله يحفظك يا شيخ
Allahummah barik beautiful video addressing Abdul Haleem
Brother Ehsan I know are currently just a a student of knowledge but you come across utterly more knowledgeable both "Maulana 1" and "Maulana 2" and actually extremely well mannered and respectful. Believe me every last Muslim on this Earth (who is NOT a Deobandi) who has followed this back and forth knows you have humiliated the Halwa eating Chuckle Brothers. For those who will inevitably complain about me lightly mocking these two Maulanas: Watch the video they made almost an hour long with pathetic sound and audio where they mercilessly and without refrain attempted to mock and belittle brother Ehsan calling him "a weasel" "a failure" "a loser" and many other shocking insults.
Lol chuckle brothers
For forgiveness. Quran 13.11, 2.58, 71.10, 8.33, 11.52.
And their benefits, rizq, strength, driving away calamity, rise in rank etc.
Allahumma Barik
The difference between knowledge and ignorance 🌸
Mashallah many more to come
The brother's interaction with asrar Rashid was eye opening. You can see his expression and his eye movements that he did not know what was happening with him. His disrespect to asrar Rashid was quite surprising.
Compare this with the discussion of asrar Rashid with Sheikh Abdurrahman Hassan.
Truly thus deobandi brother do s not have adab and knowledge.
🤭🤭🤭😂😂😂
Salafiat is all based on refuting... Where is adab there?
@@humbalshah the Salaf As Salih refute the statement. They do not do character assassination unlike "Maulana Abdul haleem & Maulana uthman"
@@muheet602 i m talking about pseudo salafies... No Salaf e Saliheen....
Watch videos of shamsi, tim humble, abu musaad,, all the box head salafies...how they mock and refute others.
@@humbalshah
الحمدلله
It is because of ustad Muhammad Tim Humble, ustad Abu mussab, brother shamsi that we get to know who are the innovators and stay away from them. Especially the ones who play around with creedial beliefs.
May الله سبحانه وتعالى rectify them.
@@muheet602 🤭🤭🤭 may Allah have mercy on you.
These jokers are jahil even asrar rashid couldn't discuss with them, because of there ignorance.
Oh great intellectual, you used the wrong there.
@@bigboywasim Like anyone cares, my point still went across. Alhamdullilah your deobandi sect is getting exposed.
السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ ASSALAMU’ALAIKUM WARAHMATULLAHI WABARAKATUHU AKHI
I love you
Masha Allah you speak with adaab.
Can I just point out that many of the salafi (akhis) and scholars do not and are quick to call others kafirs. You are the one that approached the others and then accepted to speak/debate them but backed out. If you thought they were not knowledgeable then why did you approach him in the first place and accept the discussion. I think you got cold feet after it went on social media. If you think they are not telling the true then you should expose and if you cannot then remain silent.
May Allah guide us all
It could be why they start to insult is because they dont want to debate you. By insulting another daee or student of knowledge the debate wont go ahead.
Allah knows best
This brother ehsan was the one who stepped away from the debate at the last moment, not them.
I feel sorry 4 them; they delete comments that they dont agree with so far even my comments got deleted from them
same bro, they deleted my comments aswell lol
You need to get straight to the point brother, giving a naseeha when the point of contention is not adab but creed so get straight to the point of it. If there was any basic adaab than you wouldn't turn up with many salafis to the shaykh and more or less ambush him out of the blue and record a video and post it. Agreeing in the video to discuss than back out citing a silly reason saying you didn't read cover to cover hence you have misunderstood everything. If that was the case than you should be eve more confident in dissecting the arguments and the quotes taken "out of context".
Everyday you salafis post takfeer and disparaging scholars all over social media, once you get a harsh response in return, you go full naseeha mode. Lol.
If was so confident than this could have all ended once and for all in the debate. However this is a stain upon you till the day of Resurrection as you backed out after agreeing. Shows that your not really confident in defending your scholars strange creed.
Exactly i agree with you brother. If not these two, he should atleast sit with Maulana Yasir Al Hanafi
I'm not getting your point. You approached Maulana Haleem. He asked for a sit down/debate to which you declined on the premise he hasn't read the book cover to cover. Let's be honest, everyone quotes from books they haven't read cover to cover. You could read a chapter a sub-section to get the Intended message from the author. I do respect your approach on the video, you have shown some class and a level of maturity which is required when dealing with the religion.
@ahmad hanbal blah blah blah .. My point is still valid. Why approach someone then bottle it. Maulana Haleem and Usman have plenty of content online. You knew what your dealing with before the approach was made. No point in getting all academic with me when you and your cronies can't sit down and debate with people that can deal with you academically.
@ahmad hanbal When you are not capable to debate you run. Islam is aligned with basic reasoning. They are not philosophers but some of your beliefs are not aligned with it.
@@zedmundo He didn't *approach* on the street my Deobandi Halwa eating friend. They were walking back from the masjid. Watch the video of their almost 1 hour debate. Our brother Ehsan *realised* he *realised* he was dealing with an ignoramus who kept pointing to the sky to signify Allah yet kept denying he is sitting on a throne above his creation that befits his majesty. Imam Shafi said there is NO POINT, listen again carefully, the is NO POINT debating a jaahil miskeen fool like this old yellow teeth 60 year old Maulana Number 1 because NOBODY WINS.
@@zedmundo “blah blah blah”???You deobandis are all the same?? Didn’t any of your mothers teach you any adab?
@ahmad hanbal Didn't your father or mother teach you aadaab ... "Did you learn ilm from restaurant leaflet you rajul" You seem to forget your insults
Mashallah
How embarrassed and ashamed must they feel. I felt embarrassed for them. Allah musta'aan
Wait until you hear both the sides, you'll feel bad for yourself
Bruh watch the debate between Shaykh Haroun Kanj and the salafee guy.
Allahamdulillah for that video was recorded otherwise he would have denied everything you spoke to him.
For forgiveness. Quran 13.11, 2.58, 71.10, 8.33, 11.52.
And their benefits, rizq, strength, driving away haram, rise in rank etc.
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This hadith refutes Asharis who use materialism as standard and deny Allah is al Awwal.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) said, **"The word 'Ar-Rahm derives its name from Ar-Rahman (i.e., one of the names of Allah) and** ...
- Bukhari 5988, Adab.
The creation get's its names based on Allah's Attributes, Allah's Attributes aren't based on creation as Allah is Al Awwal and His attributes were real before, asharis materialists act as if creation is first to deny Allah's Siffat and base it on creation when they were real before creation.
Where is the video link with your meeting with the moulana
ruclips.net/video/OAdE_TS0p5M/видео.html
superb vid by ustadh the 2 deo guys should stick to teaching alif ba to kids in the madrassa, they are way out of their depth on these aqeeda matters.
Discussion between Br.Ehsan and the servant of al-Haleem.
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then Y did U still link the video if U were going 2 private it anyway so far.
For forgiveness. Quran 13.11, 2.58, 71.10, 8.33, 11.52.
And their benefits, rizq, strength, driving away haram, rise in rank etc.
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This hadith refutes Asharis who use kalam as standard and deny Allah is al Awwal.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) said, **"The word 'Rahum derives its name from Ar-Rahman (i.e., one of the names of Allah) and** ...
- Bukhari 5988, Adab.
The creation get's its names based on Allah's Attributes, Allah's Attributes aren't based on creation as Allah is Al Awwal and His attributes were real before, asharis materialists act as if creation is first to deny Allah's Siffat and base it on creation when they were real before creation.
about 12:40 - 14:30 it's not Fazail-e-Amaal's, weekly thursday majaalis, Kharooj of (40/3/etc... days), fault; books don't change people. 15:38 "they dont practice what they preach" ; there humans 2 and they aren't the only ones that do that.
Ustadh Ehsan wiped the floor with Abdul Haleem, Abdul Haleem is absolutely clueless, Ustadh has sat with people who are much knowledgeable then these two Deobandis put together such as Shaykh Asrar Rashid
Asrar rashid is a barelvi heretic, a heretical sheikh yes, barelvism is a kufri shirk sect, the heretic barelvi asrar cannot be compared with abdul halim deobandi who have normally better islamic beleifs in tawhid and can be prayed behind, unlike barelvis your salah isnt accepted behind them nor can you have any islamic relations with them except that you give dawah or those normal awam from them who are still on fitrah who do not follow in their misguidances. May Allah give you the proper balance between people of truth and falsehood.
Is it.... strange.. Moulana Abdul Haleem stood his grounds....
@@humbalshah stood his ground? He was making excuse " it's cold, let me speak to Mawlana usman etc etc to ehsan face he was very sweet but when he teamed up with Mawlana 2 they started mocking the brother.
@@marsx2OFC you confront him near his home and you talk about Adab! And when a sitting is arranged it was Br. Ehsan who ran away for whatever reasons.
That's a strawman argument my brother
How come the discussion with ustadh and the deo molvi has been removed?
Haajee Imdaadullaah Muhaajir Makkee says,
“The speaking of Moosaa, alayhis-salaam, to Allaah did not occur in reality
(haqeeqi), rather it was the inner self of Moosaa speaking, and this is present in all
of mankind.” [Shamaa'im Imdaadiyyaah (pg. 59)]
This is clear negation of the words of the Qur'aan, as Allaah said himself,
".... and to Moosaa, Allah spoke directly." (Soorah Nisaa (4):164).
However the people of heresy, from amongst the Jahmiyyah, Mu'tazilah and
Asha'ariyyah distorted the words of this verse which altered its meaning, so that it
read, 'Moosaa (as) spoke to Allaah.'. So whilst affirming this practise of distortion
and believing it to be what is correct,
Maulana Anwar Shaah Kashmiri Hanafee said,
"According to me (ie I hold and believe) not only are there distortions in the
meanings of the Qur'aan but also in its wording." [Faidh al-Baaree (3/395)]
Here Maulana Anwar Shaah is saying the Qur'aan we have today with us is not
preserved and according to him there are distortions in it either by the way of
additions or omissions and by holding such beliefs his ideology conforms to the
beliefs of the Raafidhah Shee'ah.
The Hanafiyyah in general believe this, so for further statements consult 'Sharh
Aqaa'id Nisfiyyah [pg. 41-44]
Shaykh, they did behave with Shaykh Yunus like this or even worse. There are loads of text clips that Ismail Patel put up on his Facebook that showed this.
Even students of knowledge of deobandis today like Tariq Masood accepts athari creed but the downplay its importance.
what video is this a response to ?
Probably as a response to the deobandis
Very low volume
Regarding Istiwaa
Maulana Ashraf Alee Thanwee said in an explanation of a verse,
"This verse is an evidence that Allaah is not in a particular direction, (rather
everywhere)." [Tafseer al-Bayaan pg.36), and Maulana Shabeer Ahmad Uthmaanee
(the author of Fath al-Mulhim Sharh Saheeh Muslim) also said the same in his
notes to the Qur'aan (pg.22 note.7)]
Maulana Hussain Ahmad Madanee, another eminent deobandee scholar wrote in
refutation of the Aqeedah Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah, who he terms 'Wahabiyyah',
"The Wahabiyyah group take Istiwaa literally and establish a direction (for Allaah)
from the verse, "The most Merciful rose over his Throne." and other similar
verses, which necessitate a body for Allaah." (ash-Shihaab ath-Thaaqib (pg.64)]
In this defective understanding of the deobandee's, Imaam Maalik (rahimahullaah)
said when replying to the one who asked, ‘How did Allaah make Istawaa?
(Ascension above the Throne)’,
“Al-Istiwaa is Known, and its how is unknown, to have faith in it is obligatory, and
to question it is an innovation.” Then he said to the questioner, “I do not think
except that you are an innovator,” and he ordered him to be expelled."
[The sanad of this narration is good. See Mukhtasar al-Uluww of Imaam alAlbaanee and al-Asmaa was Sifaat (pg.516) of Baihaqee, Aqeedatus-Salaf Wa
Ashaabul-Hadeeth (pg's.17-18), also a supporting narration from Umm Salamah
with a similar meaning in Aqeedatus-Salaf Wa Ashaabul-Hadeeth (pg.16),
Laalikaa'ee in Shrah Usool al-Ei'tiqaad, Fath ul-Baaree (13/406), Imaam Dhahabee
in al-Uluww (pg.65) and Ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisee in Kitaab al-Uluww (no.82).]
A prominent Hanafee scholar, counted amongst the mujtahid of his madhhab
Allaamah Nisfeee Hanafee said, says in his book ‘Tafseer Madaarik at-Tanzeel wa
Haqaiq at-Ta’weel’ (2/56),
“We translate thuma Istiwaa to mean Istawlaa (conquer) that Allaah conquered
the Arsh … and so Allaah subhaanahu wa ta’aala conquered the whole of the
creation.” And he says to take the meaning of Arsh as Throne and Istiwaa to mean establishment is baatil like it is the Aqeedah of the Mushabihhah Sect (those who
liken the creation with Allaah)
Regarding this we bring the words of the great Muhaddith Imaam Ibn Khuzaimah,
author of ‘Saheeh Ibn Khuzaimah’ and student of the great Imaam of Hadeeth,
Imaam Bukhaari.
Imaam Haakim mentions in ‘Ma'arifah Uloom Al-Hadeeth’ that Imaam Abu Bakr
Ibn Khuzaimah said:
“The one who does not proclaim Allaah subhaanahu wa ta’aala is above His Arsh,
then he commits kufr with Allaah and he must be given the instruction to repent.
If he repents it is better otherwise his neck should be cut and it should be thrown
on piles of rubbish so that the Muslims and disbelievers are not troubled by the
smell of the body (his condition will be an advice). No Muslim can be his inheritor
because it is the saying of the Messenger of Allaah sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam
that the Muslim can not be the inheritor of the kaafir.”
[Ma'arifah Uloom al-Hadeeth (pg. 84), Aqeedatus-Salaf Wa Ashaabul-Hadeeth (pg's
20-21) of Imaam Saboonee.
Y is it upsidedown 52:01 even 53:15
Camera flipped
@@sahilk8616 O
Mockery is from the way of pagans, esp. w/o evidence.
to act this way shows knowledge didn't benefit this person!
he prayed at a masjid to speak to an imam who misreps Sunnis on Jalas.
ppl say he ran away but he wanted to speak to him... and accepted his excuse when they wanted to leave, why double standards.
sh. Yunus joewanpuri followed ibn Taymiyyah in end of his life.
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His students say this is the position of deoband who became Salafi.
There are many Athari Hanafis.
Jahmis says we liken Allah, but we explain our view ppl see we are balanced!
Do deoband learn from Fadail Amal to retrain tongues?
Casual Muslims see these imams don't practice what they preech?
Ask your elders is mockery good manners?
Recording was done without them knowing until afterwards.
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Ppl will see how you conducted yourself in person, mannerful.
But when with friends asks different.
Brother Ehsan goes over hadith do you know what's backbiting etc.
hadith says don't speak of your brother, and you say they are your brother so why call them box head etc.
Where is the goodness & benefit esp. when you claim to be an imam.
He was asked if you read books, and then you cut & paste. Why?
He admitted he did it and it's wrong!
If he doesnt read and study how will he understand what we say.
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He has mutual respect with other deonbands and Asharis.
speaking to this imam he just repeated the same points!
and your entire video was nothing with ilm, just insults, what benefit?
Ehsan spoke to Adnan Rashid and called each other jahil.
Ehsan spoke to an ashari who sopposedly did a takrij on Abu Dawud.
Ehsan speaks to others, many more knowledgable to get closer to truth not to mock.
to say Ehsan runs makes no sense. read the book and critique with knowledge.
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Do these guys go to Medina University and study Tawhid Siffat, then go home and deny what you are taught?
He spoke with this person and his friend on Nuzul saying it's Rahma, he is also a big debator in Pakistan's Caleefa.
Truth isn't by back & forth but in books of the salaf.
Ehsan had another sitting with a Sr. who diciplined one of them.
Ehsan doesn't bully people. but you call guys shrek (a cartoon watched by a grown guy?)
says a person mentioned you guys have shambles.
just name calling... you expose yourself. Awwam who don't know Arabic watch you.
goes over hadith truthful is seen as treacherous and ruwaibida will speak.
50 :00 -
these ppl now say we mock now...
they asked did you spread recording of me... but they gave persmission to record.
He couldn't respond to Tabari and Tirmidhi.
re: Words like julus etc. are mentioned. ibn Kathir in Taha says how tabarani has a good hadith. says when Allah sits on Kursi speaking to scholars. Isnad Jayyed.
Ehsan says this hadith is weak.
says video will come.
Says maybe I will speak if I have time.
Our din teaches have high character.
Ehsan says I forgive you as you will bear sins of speaking bad of Abu Mussab and shamsi etc.
I'm 45, since a child i'v been seeing these salafis, go around calling people mushriks, and bidati, and that their salah is not accepted, ouf imams such as imam abu hanifa rahimahullah is insulted, but now when our ulama start responding, they go around crying and complaining.
Thats BS and you know it.
@@sfwn9756 shut up. One of my uncle is a salafi initially, he wasn't in to deen, we studying in madrasa from 1980, all our brothers and sisters, 12 siblings, all studied in madrasa, people would call us stupid for not studying uni. Our own relatives would call us mad for not buying house on mortgage. They would scoff at us for wearing trousers above ankles. Then suddenly, after the year 2000, he becomes religious but falls in wrong group, and starts saying our salah is not accepted etc.
Our dad passed away in 2015 with both index finger raised in tashahhud, my maternal uncle was shocked to see this because he thought his salah wasn't accepted, and that his aqeeda wasn't correct. My father was doing dawah work from the early 70s in England alhamdu lillah.
absolute rubbish, can you show me any salafi books or websites that say hanafi salah is not valid or where Imam Abu Hanifa(rahimullah) is insulted? Seems the issue is with the 1 so-called salafi person you knew? Thats like me saying all deo's are alcoholics cos I knew one that used to drink!
@@YTadam787 dont act so innocent
@@jamalkhalil77 Thats your own experience. You cant label whole group cos of one person. Thats idiocy. Youre not an idiot now, are you?
To the Halwa eaters.
Since they won't allow my comment under their video.
1) You can't get a letter from any Deobandi organisation to show you represent them.
2) You don't have a big RUclips following so how are you making that a condition for your opponents 🤣
3) Everyone who watches you is trolling you and watching you for entertainment, not because they agree with you (you know that's the case, that's why you restrict comments to deceive your few followers)
4) Instead of making videos, read a book from cover to cover
5) You threw Shaykh Yunus (your teachers teacher) under the bus in your initial conversation with Ustaadh Ehsan
6) In your own words, come back down to earth, go to a Sufi Saint and clean your heart. You are a disgrace to your senior ulamaa who make baraa from you
Salafi's always have something to complain about or hate someone over, i remember about 10 years ago Salafi's were complaining about people wearing Kufi's and saying it was bidah, and even taking it off peoples head if they were wearing it, now i guess public enemy number 1 is anyone who eats Halwa, Salafi thinking and logic is truly a mystery to the rest of the Ummah.
The great Pseudo Salafi, racist and no respect for food.
Absolutely spot on. They deleted my comment too. LOL I did say I would tell their Deobandi Shaykh al-Islām Taqi Usmani who sits on various Saudi and Emirati Finance boards and BELIEVE ME would hit both "Maulana 1" and "Maulana 2" over the head with a saucepan at the same time for their racism to Arabs and calling Saudis "Wahabis" and so on. Believe me they're lucky they're a nothing nobody failure of a channel like Bro Hajji that may pass 20K subs by 2030 because if the Saudi Ulema like Shaykh Salih Al Fawzan (RA) and others got wind of the situation suddenly that $3 Billion Dollar Cash and Oil credit facility will end and the Halwa eating Maulanas families back home in Pakistan may suddenly find eating and heating their homes quite difficult. Like I said, LITTLE DO THEY KNOW, LITTLE DO THEY KNOW.
It was the adab of the early scholars to accept and respect the difference of opinions unlike salafis who force their opinions down the throat of opinion. So yes salafis need to fix up first before inviting others towards adab and akhlaq
@@abdullahibnmiah2986 you will find you are completely wrong. If they didn't debate and just let everyone do/say whatever they want, then why are there so many books on Jarh wa tadeel? Why did the imaams debate deviant sect? Why did Imaam Abu Hanifa debate? Why did Imaam Ahmed end up in prison? Why did Allah reveal Ayaat in the Quraan to back Umar RA opinion about what to do with the prisoners of war? Why did the salaf get in to Mubahalaa's? I could carry on but that should be enough to prove you are talking without knowledge, and just raw emotions
Is he going to accept the debate challenge? Or just run. Maulana Usman Iqbal is ready for the debate
He went to them, they got abusive and they called it off see the WhatsApp text messages akhi. 😒
On a more important note, why are your Protein Shaykhs deleting our messages on their video? Insincerity?
@@authenticfiqh4235 - you are LYING. Their video explains that such discussions should be held on a mutually agreed date in a location agreeable to both sides with Cameras from both sides - NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AT NIGHT-TIME!!
But salafis don't like this idea!!!
@@authenticfiqh4235What? Are you for real Bruh? It was obvious Ehsan Zahir was the one who stepped back at the last moment even after everything being arranged.
The real Mujassimah
Zakaria khandelvi writes in his book (fazaail A’maal - vol 2 , Fazaail hajj , page 88, Urdu version ) :
“Moosa bin Muhammad says that once an Ajmee (a non-Arab) was performing Tawaaf; He was a good and religious man. During Tawaaf, he heard the sound of the anklets of a beautiful woman . He began to stare at the woman. From the Yemeni Corner a hand emerged and slapped the man as a result of which his eye came out and from the wall of the House of Allaah came a voice saying, “You make Tawaaf of our house and look at our women. This slap was in return for that look. If you repeat such behaviour again, we will punish you harder.”
Have you read the full book to comment?
Incorrect translation.
@@bigboywasim you translate it for us then
Ibn Battah رحمه الله stated:
And the Jahmī negate all of these Attributes and rejects them, by rejecting the text of the revelation and the correct Sunnah. And he claims that Allāh does not become angry or pleased and that He does not love or hate. By negating the Attributes and rejecting them he verily wants to the reject the One who is described with them. And Allāh - the Exalted - verily belied the Jahmī and humiliated him, and He kept him away from the oath of guidance and driven him away.
والجهمي يدفع هذه صفات كلها، وينكرها، ويردّ نصّ التنزيل، وصحيح السنة، ويزعم أن الله تعالى لا يغضب، ولا يرضى، ولا يحب، ولا يكره، وإنما يريد بدفع الصفات وإنكارها، جحد الموصوف بها، والله تعالى قد أكذب الجهمي وأخزاه، وباعده من طريق الهداية وأقصاه.
الإبانة الكبرى
Maulana Khaleel Ahmad Saharanpooree further said,
“In aqeedah we follow Abul-Hasan al-Ash’aree and Abu Mansoor Mautureedee
and in the tareeqah of the Soofiyyah we follow the Naqshbandiyyah, Chistiyyah,
Qaadirayyah and the Seharwardiyyah.” [al-Muhannad A’la Mufannad (p.13-14),
there are many similar statements from other deobandee scholar affirming also
affirming this, see also Ulama Deoband's Ka Maslak (pg.59) of Qaaree Muhammad
Tayyib, Fataawaa Raheemiyyah of Muftee Laajpooree, Taareekh Dawat WaAzeemat of Maulana Abul Hasan Alee Nadwee,, Ikhtilaaf-e-Ummat Aur Siraat-eMustaqeem of Maulana Yoosuf Ludhiyaanwee and many more.]
Low voice
This is what you call adhab.
Islam productions needs watch and learn.
This isnt the streets, if you wana behave like a animal , join the tiktok pranking niche not the islamic field .
It's brilliant trying to take the morale high ground after you offer a challenge and then retract, in fairness there wasnt much else you could have done? Was it not in your best interest that you continued with the debate considering you had the upper hand on the basis that you have studied those books and they have merely picked from it? It makes zero sense if you know prior to the debate, your opponents weakness and yet you have backed down. I'm sure those handful of followers around you will accept your justification but the wider consequences for the salafi movement will be far more damaging!
lol hilarious, after the discussion its obvious that the molvi has little knowledge and is way out of his league. These molvis spend a few years in a local daruloom, call themselves alim and can't string a sentence of english together, never mind in arabic!
@@YTadam787Then why did he accept the conditions put forward before finally retracting? How many times did he watch the video before retracting lol
So are you going to accept the debate invitation and address the issues?
the 2 deos should address the vids that have exposed their lies and misquotes before any debate.
He said he will not engage with them. I agree as the 2 Deobandis are duplicitous, aren't educated and they are only there to be abusive than seek truth.
@@kylemunroe2133 sounds more like cop-out. If he records everything as they said they would allow, then it can be dealt with very easily. If they try and chop and change things then we'll know, if not then we'll also know.
Accusations don't mean anything, he's like x or y so I won't do it or whatever isn't worth the time of day. That's why I asked the question, let's get to the bottom of this and done.
So to sum up you ran from the debate. We don’t need a 1 hour video for that. Just say I haven’t got knowledge to debate them and I apologise.
@@YSE21 they've got no knowledge, he reads a single quote and hasn't even gone through the book
Now they dont wanna peice. DEOBANDITS refuted
Why don't these deobandi shaitan ever look at their schloars mistakes. Asraf ali thanvi wrote in his book nashr at-tayyib pg 5-6.. he say prophet( swaws) was created from Allah( swbt) noor... so basically he's making Allah( swbt) and prophet( swaws) twins in noor...
Imadadullah mahajir makki he said concerning the verse.. verily am your lord take your shoes off surah( ta-ha) he said the sound that came from mount Toor from the innerself musa( alysalaam) and this present in all of humans.. shamaa'im imdaadiyyah pg 59...
Instead of being a keyboard warrior, you should go talk to them and figure things out.
Salafi talking about adab is generally an oxymoron. Even in your attempt toshow some your smugness seeps through, you even tried to cover it.
just go check the adab of these 2 molvis and compare, there's a vid thats compiled their disgusting manners. Its about time the senior more respected deo elders call these 2 out and warn against them for the fitna and community tensions they are causing.
Bottom line is, are you ready for a debate or not??? Stop waffling
Ask your deobandi "Maulana" to read the books of th Salaf first. In order to debate, seeking knowledge is the key.
@@muheet602 we can all say the same thing!
ruclips.net/video/RhFFIok7r_0/видео.html
debate for what ? فول و تميس؟
ruclips.net/video/IyeAGv5eKtE/видео.html
Please respond
25:22..... This is what Salafis have been doing their entire life! LMAO
Are you speaking with proof or just from your backside...
@@Spark12429 you know I'm right!
@@abyrahman6610 give me evidence to say your wright... don't praise yourself speak with evidence .. you what the consequences of lying upon people specially on other Muslim... quick question how come you never replied to my comments on them 2 jahil deobandi videos...that you praised them so much...
@@Spark12429 how many Ashari books have you read in totality? LMAO
@@abyrahman6610 Tell me what's the difference between asharis and athari aqeeda...
I would have preferred if you addressed the issues raised in their videos instead of ranting about the people who made them for an hour.
Did abdul haleem help you write that?
@@asifahmad4748 did I touch a nerve? You seem hurt
@@saj5297 The two part video showed who's nerves were touched. It even sorted your English out.
Jahmism is kuffr and Maturidism is kuffr
They lied so much in their videos, they said sheikh ehsaan came all the way from dewsbury to Bradford just to meet Abdul haleem, but they didn't mention how sheikh ehsaan was in Bradford to teach a class. But like always when I pointed it out they deleted my comment
You salafi people mock other people who follow hanafi school of thought. Who instigates? You think you are only true muslim. How fool you are! Have you been taught to criticize other muslim? Be like Yasir qadi who never criticizes other muslim. Don't try to misguide youth. Your words are not followed by yourself.
@ahmad hanbal We do what abu hanifa did. Abu Hanifa followed quran and Sunnah. What is the problem following him as we are lay man. Even Imam Nawawi followed safi mahajab.
Brother. How many of the books of Shia or the Ashaeerah books have you read cover to cover. Rather isn't it the case that you use references from other Scholars works or teachings?
So let's not be pretentious please. It seems you are just point scoring and trying to save face. Allahu 'alam.
What a misinformed and petty comment.
Pretty silly to say this akhi, in addition to the fact that the brother abdul haleem even accepted it as wrong. But specially to clarify matters like the matters Abdul Haleem and the other man with him are trying to accuse scholars of, certainly it needs proper clarification and reading to understand
If you brothers think it's a silly and petty thing to say, then it shows that you yourself have not done research and hence will not be able to appreciate my comment.
@@themonotheist714 No because your qiyas is not correct.
@@ExposingAhlulBidah I'm stating a fact, not performing Istimbaat. So your terminology isn't correct with this.regard.
Lmao this ehsan acting giving off the fake 'holier than thou' impression. This guy is known for his vile antics and filthy behaviour on twitter. Furthermore he's been refuted so many times and posts random quotes he misunderstands. He even contradicted and refuted his entire creed concerning uluw in one of the debates!
Let me correct that for ya, he responds to vile and filthy behaviour with a lesser tone of aggression as they deserve, he refutes you guys silly and you have no response, and the debate he had with the Ash'ari was an amazing example of how they fail when they speak to him directly. Get your facts right johnny boy!
@@sarni786 let me fix that for you Johnny boy! When you use rude and vile language and then lecture others about speaking with good manners, that's hypocrisy son! Hes been refuted so many times and uses dumb memes to display his jahmite hulooli belief - in the debate with the Ashari he was asked 'is direction created?' he responded by saying 'yes' and said he doesn't believe Allah is in creation (as this is a jahmite hulooli belief). He said he believes Allah is ba'inun min khalqihi (seperate and distinct from His creation)!!! THIS REFUTED THE WHOLE ARGUMENT MR EHSAN WAD PORTRAYING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEBATE because he doesn't believe Allah is literally 'above the Throne' as this is hulool as locations and directions are created AS ADMITTED BY EHSAN HIMSELF. It's contradictory, hypocritical and infact a sign of kufr to spread a jahmite hulooli belief which is kufr by ijma and to claim 'this is the way of the salaf'. You salafis need to make up and smell the coffee and investigate what Allah's uluw actually entails and it is NOT uluw hissī as you people are trying to impose onto the muslims
@@sarni786 very true well said, the Deobandi Akabirs books are full of misguidance and filth
He isn’t giving fake “holier than thou” impressions. Everybody who knows Ehsan personally (including myself) knows his personality. Stop slandering him and do something beneficial with your time.
Bro please don’t cough in your hand, cough on your sleeve
40.00 @fazaldaad