THE GREATEST Elite Dangerous community TOOL Shutting down!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Elite Dangerous Database - EDDB, is the largest 3rd party community tool made to enhance and help dealing with all manner of Elite Dangerous based gameplay features, mainly : where to find tools, ships, commodities and more! A grand collection of highly useful tools that without : the game itself becomes nearly UNPLAYABLE.
Here's my tribute to it's legacy!
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Thank you THEMROC o7!
Yes, Thank You!
Yes Thank you for all of your hard work and making the game playable for so many of us for so long.
And i would like to add the greatest of luck in your future endeavors @themroc o7.
thank you Themroc
God Speed and good luck in all that you do and thanks for all you have done THEMROC o7.
Frontier never deserved this great community,
and the community did not deserve the abusive behaviour by Frontier.
You deserve whatever you put up with
HuH? Abusive behavior? Like what? I'm genuinely curious what you're talking about. Apparently I'm out of the loop here.
@@baconoverlord7982 they publicly humiliated fans for asking questions numerous times on live streams.
They slandered the community when they said "threats were made towards us" when they themselves were threatening the fans!
They lied over and over...sure some people believed it and thought it would change but when it didn't...they lied and said they never lied because they never promised they would.
Shifting goalposts, slander/defamation, false advertisement etc...
"One COULD say". NO! One SHOULD say that Elite is categorically and unequivocally unplayable trash without 3rd party tools. Thank you IDDB for helping to make Elite a real game and providing hours of enjoyment that the developers failed, and still fail, to provide their customers.
True. Wait until all the fan boys forget when elite 2 is announced 😂. It'll be another empty game where you'll be logging out to main menu and desktop but who knows they may ask you to uninstall and reinstall on the next one. 😂
@@rogerchevez1827Frontier's pie-eyed white knights are the worst, most hopeless sycophants in all of gaming.
It sucks because other than Eve, which is way more involved, and Star Citizen, which is an out-and-out scam, Elite is still the best bang for you buck space sim, it feels like the entire genre has been abandoned by the industry
@@PoeMojoStudio I've played all three games you mention and yes EvE is involved as it strongly relies on your personal social skills and tolerance of interaction with other people to do enjoyable stuff for more than ten minutes.
I don't believe Star Citizen is a scam. I've got it, I've purchased two separate stand alone ships. I've spent as much real life money on Star Citizen as I like to at this point over a period of three years or so. I've actually got my money's worth based on the entertainment and experiences I've been able to have. It's phenomenal. When it works of course. It's exasperating when it breaks causing progress to be lost. That is patch dependent and no I don't believe it should be the case even though it's "Alpha".
If you haven't tried it, there are free sessions where you can rent ships for free, you just need to register an account on the website and voila. Now while I believe you can enjoy the game with the lowest price ships until the game is far far more stable and closer to launch it'll be nice to have if you purchase something along the lines of a Cutlass Black for some all around options within the combat and trading missions. Other ships can be purchased or rented for in game currency and that of course won't change when it's launched.
Elite Dangerous has been excellent value for money, however not all of it has been fun. If only 50% of the time was spent on 3rd party sites planning the session ahead then I would be very surprised. The lack of communication, foresight and bravery of FDEV has led to the slow spiral death of ED with the console decision speeding things up due to the loss of good will from potential any future customers with their other products.
Which leads me to their licenced Formula 1 game that was supposed to have a full twelve month of support. That was cancelled after only two months post launch. This tanked FDEV's share price to its lowest ever. When even the industry doesn't trust the company to support a licenced product to make a profit, why should the players have any faith especially with the past experiences of lack of communication and poor delivery of their Elite Dangerous product.
if u hate it that bad... why dont u go find a new game to play instead of campaigning to turn others away..
I don't know how FDEV have not realised this simple logic: why am I going to waste 1h+ just trying to find stuff to engage in the fun gameplay, when I can just go to another game and have fun immediately?
they are well aware. However they turned to Wringing as much short-medium term cash out of elite as they can Rather than Making Long term Significant improvements for the sake of the Game/community
Something about Braben having a vision of people just haphazardly jotting stuff down amidst a thousand sticky-notes like ye-olde days.
_The Gervais Principle_ in action.
@@GeneralArmchair he’s gone now too lol
Yet here you are.... kinda whining on here instead of playing another game and having fun immediately.....
Farewell Themroc, EDDB was a great tool and help it will be missed. Thank you for all of your massive efforts.
It's a travesty that FDev aren't picking up the running of this great site. Says everything we need to know about FDev and what they really think about the game
Spot on
Seriously? If FDev cared at all, this would all already be accessible in-game anyways. You think they're going to take on the responsibility of some privately owned website when they can't even put the same functionality in the base game? Nah. They'll let it die. They don't give a shit.
It has nothing to do with fdev. Some others in the community could pick it up though. How about you and Yamiks give it a go?
@@nuggytube
If people only can play your game to a point where a CM has to beg for people to freely operate tools to keep them going....
Yeah no, it very much has something to do with FDEV. Their very lingering amounts of success rest on the shoulders of these dataset and tool devs.
Wait, they THINK about the game at all!?
Could have fooled me!
The game is coming to it's end, Sadly. But I admit I stopped playing it a couple of years ago. It really was the community that kept the game going as a whole. I loved playing it for many years, but it just got boring and yes the endless grind didn't help one bit.
The reliance on third party software was the biggest reason as to why I quit Elite after only playing for few weeks.
Without EDDB i would have spent my first year doing simple stupid carrier missions or 2-3 jump trades to get past a Sidewinder/Hauler. With EDDB, i was able to figure out a 10 jump 2-way lucrative rare trade run. Thanks for your work and passion Themroc.
Same. I got Elite in trading and without EDDB, that grind would have taken FOREVER. Without EDDB, the only realistic way to Elite is via combat. Want to know where to get a specific good for a trade mission? Tough $hit because the game doesn't tell you what station or how far away it is. This loss will absolutely kill new players or anyone why hasn't already reached elite
I don't know if you'll see this, but thanks, Themroc. I appreciate all that you did, and will miss EDDB.
Back in 2014, I was 13 and I watched DaSquirrelNuts make a review of Elite's Beta. I was hooked and watched videos about it for the next 6 years. Even when I had the money to buy it after a summer job, I didn't have the hardware to run it. It required 4 cores, and all of my life I gamed on shitty 2 core laptops. In late 2020, I finally got a gaming PC capable of running this game, and snatched it while it was on Steam sales. My first 150 hours or so of playing the game were euphoric as I finally had what was out of touch for 6 years. Despite the grind and the shitty game design, I was happy. Soon after, I began to realize how the game had stagnated since 2019, how the storyline was abandoned, how many small faults of the game could easily be fixed if FDev wasn't money hungry. Infact, Fdev's greed started becoming impossible to ignore. I was, and still am, furious at them for how they took such a beautiful game with so much potential, and ran it into the ground, and I only ever got to enjoy it after it was too late. I found myself praying that the source code gets leaked so that the community could implement its own fixes, and other insane hopes like that. But in the last 3 years, I just resentfully watched the sun set on a game that I craved so much as a child but never got to enjoy until it's too late. It's like a part of my childhood went missing, and the last thing I have to hold onto is the pipe dream that Fdev would make it open source once they end support for it. Given David Braben's shakey history with honesty, this remains a pipe dream.
I really feel what you say. Amen to it. I'm a lot older than you but had the same experience with Frontier: Elite II. I had to work a crappy summer job and scrimp on my student grant to get enough money together to buy a 386 1MB RAM PC to buy and play it. It was a mind-blowing game. Like nothing else I'd ever come across. I was obsessed. Then came Frontier: First Encounters. David Braben Presents no less. It was portentous: bug-ridden. Unplayable. Woeful. I felt like I'd been mugged. Fast forward 25+ years and I feel exactly the same. David Braben and the truth, promises and delivery, seem like oil and water. I wish I had learned back in 1995.
Thank you for everything Themroc... You made the game playable
Another issue is not enough players in the game carrying the ED Market Connector. Most of the third party tools get their data from us when landing with the Connector running. A lot of market data at a lot of locations is months out of date. And lately, even the in-game market tool prices have been wrong.
FDev in response: "problem? No, no, no! This is just a great opportunity for you to EXPLORE.... The markets of 500 billion star systems!"
I'm just joking, of course.
They wouldn't even respond.
EDMC is another third-party tool that stopped being supported in January of this year. It still works, and will continue to work until it doesn't any more, but you're better off running EDDiscovery now for submitting your market data, but it's nowhere near as lightweight.
Yeah, tried to buy odyssey engineering materials last autumn to speed through the damn thing, but after a few weeks I gave up hitting the "update" button since there were little to no materials avaliable.
EDDB, Coriolis, spansh & roguey were the four most used things. Now without EDDB... yeah, gl finding those systems with the correct system states to find your correct USS sources. Maybe there's another tool for finding those but I don't know of any.
EDDB shutting down is another nail in the coffin for me to never return.
Who plays on PC without an upload tool?
More like there just aren't many players fullstop, so anywhere away from the busy systems can go weeks without a visitor.
@@4675636B Most people.
Holy fuck I can’t believe this is actually happening. EDDB has been absolutely vital for me because ED just doesn’t have the necessary tools.
This could quite possibly mark the true death of ED. I know INARA still exists but I always preferred EDDB. I mostly used it for market information as a trader but so much more as well.
Thank you themroc. Remember to follow the greens on your way out. o7
between EDDB shutting down, all the other critical missing features, odyssey being a mess, the plot is stagnant, no new ships since 3304, the engineering grind is still nuts, and the map gui update making things worse... im actually considering buying into star citizen now.
i fucking hated star citizen when i got into elite, i said its update pace was glacial, their budget to results ratio was shit, i considered it a scam and everyone who owns it a moron. case closed.
SC atleast has the excuse of being early on in the dev process of a massive game, but ED? they dont got no excuse for managing to bungle things so badly that a randomass website shutting down makes me want to uninstall their game.
i cant believe we needed an unknown hero to make FREE software for PAID software to make it functional in the first place. thank you, oh stranger.
@@quantum5661 Agreed! Since you are considering SC you may also want to check out Space Bourne 2. That game is made by one guy and its being called the best space sim right now. Check that out its quite entertaining.
@@quantum5661 Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous kickstarters were within a month of each other IIRC. SC haven't released much more than tech demos as such until now. Elite was released with many broken and missing features that you could usually work around, had paid updates that failed to deliver half of what was promised by the time they wanted to release another, and the Devs clearly don't give a shit about the community, some of whom are "real world" heros rescuing other players (Fuel Rats, Hull Seals).
Meanwhile, the developer of Spacebourne 2, practically single handed, has somehow created the basis of a single player game that has so many things Elite players have been asking for but ignored by FDev - salvage, spacewalks, jetpacks, surprisingly good AI for FPS combat, great looking terrain on planets, ship upgrades - and I've only played for a total of 50 minutes so far !
@@quantum5661 I did one far worse than you here, at the end of the Tritium craze and trading and with the carriers that made me a lot of money, I sorta found the fun of finding and doing these trade runs disappear over night, I ended up parking the game.
I went back in my space game collection, way back... My final destination?
Freelancer! It's physics are simpler yes, but with the HD mod it has provided and scritched the space itch even today, and that is before you start modding it.
ED was playable because community developers stepped up to do the work that FDev never bothered with. It's amazing ED lasted this long and I believe community tools like eddb, inara, and coriolis are the sole reason anyone bothered playing it.
If all 150000 players would have given THEMROC a dollar a year he could have at least go on a very well deserved long vacation right now. Thank you Sir.
This game is on the decay... It's so sad to see it go
Not a big enough money make for FDev. I swear it's like they were annoyed at the thought of even maintaining this game post Horizons
Not really, no.
@@PsyTechnical
Steamcharts don't lie.
@@InvadeNormandy yes they don't. Any they don't show any sign of the game dying. The numbers are quite literally higher then they were a good portion of the years before lol.
@@shabushabu5319 it feels that way, eh? Like look at the people behind Odyssey: is there _any_ familiar faces in those videos?
I loved the Tool. I started playing ED not long after launch. And once I found EDDB it allowed me to be in love with ED. Instead of just keeping to small bubbles of area's I knew, I could go out and explore. And that's my favorite part of the game. During Covid and working from home. I'd do very long runs just to look around.
Though I preferred INARA to EDDB, it's a very sad situation and quite a bad sign for a game
How is it a bad sign for the game lol. I literally can't see that. The fact that someone moves a bit somewhere else in his life in 9 years has nothing to do with the game.
@@cmdrHeliaxx Opportunity cost/value. The game/dev team is so long in the tooth that even the most "committed" of the fanbase are giving up on Elite Dangerous. He could of easily moved the management of the database over to someone else.
A game is only as good as its community. Sure if you just on yr stag, playing the game.. maybe, but its just another sign that ED is starting to lose its larger audience.
@@cmdrHeliaxx
Short sighted much? It means both the enthusiasm is gone and the fact no one is clamoring to take over the project or keep it rolling... And that the Devs simply don't care about the fan effort to do their own jobs for them. Nor offered a single half hearted effort to at least take on the code and database data.
IE: Dying games typically start to lose their wikis and tools, and fans start to not care to support what is being less supported by the people who launched it.
@@darrynrenton5693 Yes he culd have. But he literally even said himself that he didnt do that cuz his own reasons (basically the quality of the database didnt match his own standards). I don't really agree wit that decision but hey, it was HIS choice, and not anyone else's
@@darrynrenton5693 And Elite never had larger audience. Third party tools come and go. Of course you can't expect everyone to hang around for almost a decade. When Galactic mapping project ended, everyone was extremely passionate as well, and another project that replaced was on literally the next day. Elite's always been a niche thing, but these days the third party support is actually bigger than ever, even just steam numbers are totally fine, even higher than some of the years before and I'm meeting commanders in game again that stopped being active before.
mann, i havent played Elite Dangerous or watched any content in it for over a year now, but seeing this makes me sad. thanks EDDB
Rest in peace EDDB. You were great to have open on my browser when I was playing Elite Dangerous nearly every day (all but stopped now) to find stuff that I was looking for (trade routes, ships, modules).
Another sign of decline for Elite I think
I can see not having the entire galaxy searchable right off the bt. Once ANY player has scanned a system though it should be added to the in-universe GalNet database.
100% agreed, that's the most lore friendly way to do it
@@CosmicCustodian And it's basically, so far as I am aware, the way most third party tools work. Essentially, they work the way Universal Cartographics SHOULD. A place to share data and discoveries.
I would have never been able to get to where I got to in the game without EDDB. That is another nail in the coffin for Elite. 07 Themroc!
Gutted, absolutely gutted. The site was far handier than I'd previously thought.
"Just acceptable enough", the highest effort FDev have sometimes been bothered to achieve.
And also, Thank You Yamiks for this wonderful tribute to EDDB and Themroc! And of course, all your content :)
THEMROC I hope you see this. Thank you very much. I rarely play anymore and when I do it is for just a few days. I found your tools to be indispensable. As TheYamiks pointed out, Frontier should have given access to this info within the game a LONG time ago. You have done your part. I hope that your future endeavors are rewarding.
It's hard for anybody to keep enthusiasm going for the game when Frontier themselves basically gave up on it years ago. I haven't logged in since the Odyssey release shambles, and I was just a player. I can't imagine what it was like for those actively maintaining these essential tools that Frontier couldn't be arsed to implement in their own game. Thank you Themroc, and to all the others. I understand completely why you are doing this. RIP Elite Dangerous, and (hopefully) RIP Frontier in the not-too-distant future. Horrible company in every respect.
Although I don't run ED anymore, and so have no use for the EDDB; it's still pretty sad really.
I find it incredible at how over the years a developer (FDev) can be so persistantly oblivious and blind to the ED communities most basic needs and wishes for the game.
Their ignorance is only exceeded by their arrogance. ED is a poster child for how NOT to manage a project such as this.
Thanks Themroc for all your time and efforts over the years!
No one at F-Dev plays the game without dev cheats. They have NO idea what the game is like for the average pleb. They play a couple hours to test an update or new feature, never have to grind, never have to look for things all because they can just dev tools their way to what they want. F-Dev is deluded and their current financial woes show it.
@@snipersl270 nobody can be so oblivious. There is just someone up high, or a whole team culture, who is locked onto a certain arrogant attitude.
Yes the game they designed was a reasonable success, but much of that was the community making it happen in conflict with Frontiers efforts to ruin things.
Despite flaws they at least have to be congratulated on delivering a game, vs that other mob who are still selling JPEGs.
Honestly EDDB was the first third party tool I used. Hell thanks to it showing me where/how I could sell for the best prices, it got me out of my cobra mk3, THAT I HAD BEEN STUCK IN FOR A MONTH! Granted I was flying blind back then, with no third party tools what so ever. But still point is without EDDB, I honestly think I might have dropped the game ALOT earlier then I eventually wound up doing. (thank your odyssey) And never had the chance to have all the great experiences I did with the game, from buying the corvette, to winning a beluga ramming contest, to a recurring joke with a wheel chair with one of my closest friends that still lasts to this day. To name just a few. God speed EDDB thanks for all the memories you helped me create! o7
I haven't played Elite: Dangerous in a while - but when I first learned of and started using EDDB it was like the game opened up for me. I no longer felt like a lost child flapping around in a shallow pool. I could actually play. 3rd party tools overall let me build the ships I wanted, tinker with loadouts, figure out trade routes, figure out how to make engineering work, basically everything and EDDB was always at the center. Even when I started playing in VR I'd still alt-tab there to help me plan routes.
Truly this is the end of an era.
o7
Thank you themroc, for your perseverance, passions and talent. Thank you for having the dedication to keeping EDDB up and running for so long when faced with many obstacles and issues. Thank you for providing one of the most useful third-party tools available ED to players, and providing them with a bright light to navigate by in a featureless void.
Thank You THEMROC EDDB was crucial in my Elite experience.
The fact that I had no information and had to travel all willy-nilly to get said information was the main reason I stopped playing after ~75 hours. It just felt incredibly tedious, and somehow more clunky than X3, a game series I had put thousands of hours into at that point.
A big thank you to Themroc for holding the fort all these years. o7
I used EDDB religiously it was with me in the black. Can't imagine playing without it. I even used the market connector to help keep it up to date. Thank you for all the work you did on EDDB.
Was a good send off Yamiks... Thanks for keeping it real and seeing the giants in the community
I have never played a game with so much wasted potential where the Devs so very much held the player base in contempt. Wherever players gathered to make things interesting, FDEV was there to squash it. Thank you to THEMROC and others who made the game accessible and playable.
Usually I don’t like to make statements like a developer holding their fan base in true contempt, but with FDev it’s actually true. They blocked me on Twitter because I said that their management was incompetent with how they handled the system that ports console save files to PC (how it was limited time only, extremely buggy, even though people had the technology for cloud saves for years and we already use accounts for the game).
They blocked me, someone with no influence, someone with only five followers, an absolute nobody that no one cares about. They blocked an absolutely average person for throwing criticism at how they handle situations. On Twitter. One of the more toxic sites out there, my insult of calling them incompetent is actually polite compared to 90% of that site’s user base.
Now that’s just petty.
Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that it was the official @EliteDangerous account that blocked me, not FDev themselves or any individual member.
I didn't give a sh*t about elite for over a year now if not two years, and yet I still felt like I needed to come here and say my thanks to themroc, I think that speaks volumes for how important the tool was
Big thank you to THEMROC for providing a means for us to experience the potential of a game that held our imagination together!
Most games I play nowadays have some kind of third party tool whether a fandom wiki, a bunch of content creators making guides on how to do things, or to provide a concrete example, there is the No Man's Sky Assistant app for, you guessed it, No Man's Sky.
But when you provided 5 different websites specifically for working with Elite, holy hell that is a lot. Because you know on top of those there are the wikis and the content creators too.
I really do hate to see Elite die a slow, painful death like this. I put over 100 hours in in the earlier years, and still think the flight mechanics are the best of any space game I've ever played.
I will totally play a mod of ED that fixes all of the Frontier issues, and integrates INARA. Multiplayer would be nice, but not required. It would be cool if they could make ED an actual MMO tho. I should note I quit playing before Odyssey even beta'd.
Sorry to see it go, congrats for the service provided. Was a very useful tool indeed.
Don't understand why FDev doesn't pick it up.
Why would they? All the signs point to the game being shut down either this year or early next.
Incompetence and ego
Lets face it since the original kick-starter Frontier never delivered on any of their promises. It just got worse since they canned DB. They never gave a shit about the player base just how much money they can squeeze from them.
if elite cared for the game this wouldnt have happened
Man how is this not Frontier's fault ? They had the time to make a shitty DLC like Odissey and none of them thought about making something like EDDB in game, they laid down doing nothing since the community was there working instead of them. I just introduced a friend to Elite, now how the fuck am I supposed to help him find the stuff he'll need to play ? This thing is going to make the game absolutely unplayable for newcomers, it's like a damn tombstone.
Thank you Themroc! Eddb wasn’t just good, it was terrific! Thank you for everything over the years.
A good fitting farewell to Themroc would be to name a new station after him that, like Jameson Memorial in Shinrata Dezhra, has every ship and module inc AX tech at the other end of the bubble toward Robigo. 07 Themroc; Never Forgotten.
And imagine people trying to play the game without those tools , the devs couldnt even implement to make this something else than a physical and mind grind
This year really is either the end of elite dangerous or big changes are coming
Changes ? In ED ? 🤣
The game died officially when odyssey got released. And even before that it was just on life support.
@@WhiteFang103 Actually, there was a big change.
We have to pick between Horizon version, that's not updated anymore, or Oddyssey, and we know what a shitshow that thing is.
I’ll be surprised if it isn’t sunsetted this year. Like when even a single gameplay mechanic is taking *six months longer* to overhaul, you know the game is nearing the end of its life.
ONE human being sits and creates the most important tool necessary to play the game. The developers of the game couldn't be bothered to integrate this properly into the game, citing 'community interaction' as an excu- I mean reason... Absolute insanity. Why, WHY do people even continue to play this dead horse of a game. Haven't they been shafted enough??
It's almost like a abuser/victim Stockholm Syndrome relationship for those 'second life' gamers.
All I want is my Eagle, Diamondback and Krait modded into Starfield and I'll be more than happy. It'll be a GAME, not a torturous slog.
I have 2000 hrs on elite. I want to come back, but everytime I do, something changes to make me not.
The game is essentially not playable without EDDB. Not enough to be worth sinking time into.
FDev is not interested in taking over EDDB.
And EDDB's owner is not interested in letting FDev take it over.
I think these three statements alone say everything that needs to be said.
Just because you don't know how to play the game it doesn't mean it's unplayable...
The game is playable. And you can discover or accomplish things without the database. But the reality is that every CMDR references EDDB, there's a reason the page got so many hits every day.
Maybe you "know how to play the game" without EDDB. Wpw. Congrats. The rest of the real world enjoys having access to valuable tools which really should have been built into the game itself.
@@pwnmeisterage If you do still want to play, tools like INARA do exist.
I've been getting back into elite lately and this morning as part of finally unlocking the guardian shield booster I discovered that EDDB is no more when trying to find the commodity.
A genuine and heartfelt o7 to the creator, that webpage was an absolute godsend, thank you THEMROC for the effort to keep it running as long as you did.
Elite is dead, and uncaring/incompetent Devs killed it.
No EDDB no EDO ... anyway I gave up already 1 year ago as I was fed up with the emptiness of that dust box. the lack f ship interior, the lack of lively planets and city the lack of gameplay and above all enough of that USELESS GRIND!!!! thank to the EDDB creator and shame on FDEV
EDDB is probably the only thing that kept me from quitting the game when I was absolutely sick of the bs frontier likes to get away with. I was unaware of the 2017 strike, but the 3rd party developers should have made frontier pay (and by that, I mean actual money, millions a year to fund them) to keep their game playable since they aren't bothered to do it themselves. I'd be completely down in solidarity if they ever wanted to do this.
It's becoming very apparent that the game is nearly dead. I finally bought Odyssey on sale and played it for an hour or two and got bored. So sad. EDDB was the only way you could do any sort of exploration or trading in the game. Wanna find a new mining spot without EDDB? Not gonna happen unless you have hundreds of hours to explore and take notes on your own. Community tools are a necessity to enjoy this enormous game world.
Are there other sites that offer accurate information regarding the availability of modules at all? Players having to go from station to station to seek out modules is absurd.
Even though i haven't played ED in 3 years,i wouldn't have played as long as i did without EDDB,so RIP EDDB & thank you Themroc o7
Very sad to see the tool go. I stopped playing after a 1100 hours two years ago. Am frustrated with the Devs. Deprecation of VR support, low performance and buggy gameplay. And relentless grind. The closing of the game could be the best thing for this community.
THANK YOU Themroc - that was quite some job you did that evolved into a foudational pillar for the community and the game ! And one last time ... o7
The fact that Fdev hasn't implemented even half of the functions of half of the 3rd party tools into the game is just absurd. I can't tell if they're just lazy or just have zero respect for the player base (or maybe some combo)
Especially now that they stopped having to develop for console and players limited by having to use a controller.
If it wasn't for the community, this game would have died before they even released Horizons.
Someone somwhere is telling people they used pen and paper to take notes when playing the original Elite and walk 15 miles in the snow to reach their computer.
Up hill. In the rain. With 40 pounds of cotton bags on their back. And they did it all without a single complaint and still made it to Triple Elite in their first week.
Thanks for shaming me grandma...
Thank you THEMROC, without players like you who dedicated a lot of time to make such things Elite wouldn't of been the game it used to be. Frontier does not keep Elite alive, the community content sites do, and this is the writing on the wall for Elite, its time is coming to an end. Playing now withough THEMROC's site is going to be hilarious.
Frontier just doesn't care anymore. I have now officially given up on Elite Dangerous.
You can tell that Elite devs simply don't give a shit when they can't even lazily offer one extended hand to bring on anyone on board to integrate this as a feature in their game proper using that database set. That and the API silence... Even microsoft owned minecraft weren't boneheaded enough to freeze out modding teams for too long.
The 3 day strike being "successful" in under a day, due to the CM to realize how well and truly screwed they were without the fan support and tools... Only to then give a wishy washy bare minimum agreement? Yeah no. I don't blame anyone if they just shuttered every last project and let Frontier reap the years of resting on their wilted laurels.
AND it has another ominous implication, in that simply there is no faith in the game to even try to ask for donations to continue the tool, nor no one felt even compelled to continue struggling uphill to help absolute ingrates with their dead neglected space game.
Thank you for everything Themroc! For the information that was available on that site, I preferred it over Inara. That being said I will not be surprised if in the future Inara and/or some of the other sites shutdown in similar fashion. I do not believe EDDB would have ever been shutdown if Odyssey on release was a success and the player numbers increased. I'm thinking the views on EDDB may have gone down due to people leaving ELITE. I mean console players got screwed over. Less visits to the site means less ad revenue to be made. Given the amount of work to maintain data accuracy on the site I dont blame Themroc. I blame Fdev outright for the state of Elite and the situation seems to be getting worse. A crying shame!
You only realize just how many people relied on this as a shortcut until it went down and all the links, tools, etc. in so many videos don't work now. Sad that he won't consider selling it... downright odd, really. I wonder if he was gathering data or something on there.
Thanks you THEMROC, you got me so far in the Galaxy, it wont be the same with out EDDB. I use to pretend my tablet was my ships navigations computer when accessing his site.
I am getting more and more worried about ED´s future.
Thanks Themroc.
Commenting for the algorithm. Haven't played ED since they told us console peasants to pound sand.
Themroc is an unsung Hero, I hope this pushes Elite into the retirement home, much as I have loved it, it's time for it to go
Game needs a tab in the crockpit where people can document their finds like public notepads detailing where they found stuff.
I guess this is what happens when you wait 7 years to release major updates, ignore community feedback, and attempt to gaslight said community while stringing them along with desired features.
RIP EDDB. Thank you Themroc.
I LOVE elite dangerous, but I think I'd be ignoring reality if I wouldn't accept the fact that this game is on its final stages of it's life cycle.
Thank you Themroc!!
Tools like EDDB made the game possible to play. If 3rd party player tools go away and Fdev doesn't care to replace them with an in game tool, the game won't last long at all.
Even if they added an in game tool that let you view station markets remotely but only updated the last time a player visited, it would help a lot.
Even EVE Online would let you view remotely and sometimes purchase items remotely in game.
If they want to keep "realism" in the game, then explain it as station inventory databases are updated using drones that travel via FSD or something.
Ships in game already communicate across star systems faster than light, otherwise radio and chat transmissions would take minutes or hours not nearly instantaneous.
I stopped playing Elite a few years back, but I still remember EDDB being an absolutely vital part of the experience. Good on Themroc for keeping it up and running for so long, but totally understandable that he needs/wants to move on. Bit of a shame there's nobody he can hand the reins off to, but it is what it is, and it ultimately means I'll probably never go back to Elite (I had actually been considering it).
Am I being strange that after checking a few of those 3rd party database sites I couldn't get used to any single one and for the past 5-6 years have been playing the game 'blind' (meaning 'with only the tools provided by the game itself')..?
if your strange than what am i bcoz i not only knew they were there but refused to use the others and only used EDDB coz it was THE BEST. the rest of those sites are meh and not easy to use.
I wish a studio with the care for their community like Coffee Stain had made ED. I just started playing again, and it feels like the game and community are slowly falling apart.
I'm guessing it all boils down to "Hey Frontier! Pay Da Man What He Deserves for What He Created"
I could totally imaging, in game, logging onto the "innernet" - (Tim & Eric nod) - on my data pad, and checking the community's collective, shared, and live - updated with ticks - galaxy map, where EVERYTHING is cataloged/charted whenever a CMDR discovers it. Would be amazing.
At the very least, you think we could get an app or something...
Nice message, though, Yamiks!
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Ethically speaking, Fdev owes Themroc a boatload of money; they wouldn't have been able to keep selling their garbage without him making it functional.
The beginning of the end for ED? I'll probably never back a Kickstarter again, considering how Frontier handled this project and treated many loyal customers.
The thing the devs forgot is in such a big world, you need direction to explore. Trading should have been the prime tool for discovery, and asking NPCs if not players WHERE goods are moved. From that point you could choose to select unknown destinations, or look back on your previous contacts to see if going the long distance would be more worth it. Players should have been able to share partial or full information from what they discovered.
If the devs wanted to still encourage personal exploration, tying the live economy system to the value or fresh data would have incentivised travelling to old and new locations to connect them to the database, the fresher the data the more valuable. NPCs should also have regularly maintained the data network among the most central locations, while places more on the wayside could be very sporadic, but frequent enough to tell there IS stuff out there.
Thank you EDDB
For helping me in finding rare mining sites that basically no people go to. Looks like my mining journey will become significantly harder than before.
I have been on the other side as well doing similar projects for a game/sim that has a lack of features the likes of eddb, inara or any 3rd party tools. For the ones involved it's mostly a thankless job even if you get constant motivation etc. from people that use your stuff. It sucks the life out of you. I totaly get it.
The game simply never grew into what was promised and what people hoped.
I would say that the problem isn't just about hosting the server, which is just one minuscule need. It needs to be understood the amount of effort needed to ensuring that the tool works. Themroc mentioned in a discord channel that it takes a lot of time to clean and make sure that the data is usable for the tool to work. As a person who works in the line of research myself, cleaning unstructured, noisy, data takes a lot of time and could equal to a full time job. The equal cost of maintaining EDDB is beyond the infrastructure cost of the tool, but to also cover personnel month and associated cost. To be fair, this isn't something that a company a size of Fdev could make a whim decision to allocate budget to cover all of this cost, as we only saw the notice of EDDB shutting down in about several days to a week notice. We, the Elite community especially us who use EDDB, should've cared more to tool owners.
It speaks volumes when all the damn Third Party Tool maintainers turn off the lights for not even 24 hours, that Elite Dangerous goes from a sprawling flight sim to a slow-motion display of Aisling Duval re-enacting the car crash that killed Princess Diana of Wales, only for FDEV to beg and plead the 3rd Party maintainers to turn the damn lights on.
And at this point? Yeah, these tools more or less are fucking lights - For maintaining MIRAI Group, my faction in the Empire, using stuff like EDDB and INARA was *INVALUABLE*. It alerted us to our neighbors, the force projection and alliances those neighbors had, communicating with other CMDRs to make alliances, being made aware of local resources - hell, our home system is apparently a fucking FSD Booster haven since you can get all the shit you need for FSD Booster synthesis here.
Elite is well on its' way to shitting the bed. I tried to give it a second chance, and even after the thargoid situation, I felt that if it weren't for keeping a pulse on the AXI discord's status updates, I wouldn't know what's going on, and even then, I can't tell clearly where the fuck the war is at strategically. All I know is some systems are fucked more than others, and some are just peachy.
I don't know what to say other than as absurd as it is, I'm looking forward to fucking Underspace, because at least it being a Freelancer spiritual successor, gives me a fucking excuse to give a damn. Whereas with Elite, I don't. I didn't grow up with Elite. I grew up with Freelancer. I grew up with Ace Combat. I grew up with Halo. I've seen them have low points throughout their history. And I knew they had potential to get out of them. But FDEV is so stuck in their ways, that I don't think they have the potential to do so.
I don't understand the people who still stick around with this, outside of the statement that there's nothing else - because that is just it - there is nothing else. And it's a fucking farce.
If Elite Dangerous is the best we can do as a fucking industry and community to produce a fucking space sim worth a damn, then good fucking god, I'd sooner play No Man's Sky, because at least even if it's not really a space sim, at least Hello Games gives a fucking damn.
But.. that being said... On behalf of MIRAI Group Elite Division personnel, o7 to THEMROC. Your service to the community is invaluable, and It has been an honor to help contribute to EDDB's success alongside the countless other CMDRs who contributed to the database. At the end of the day, your work, and the work of the community once again, much like what I have seen in Second Life, much like what I have seen in nearly every game and online platform - is what keeps these games and the sort alive. It is us, the community, that drives success. Elite would be nothing without us.
And honestly.. that's what pains me the most about Elite. The community deserves better.
I am pissed about this however I think seeing what F-dev has been doing.. I say ALL third party tools should shutdown and force people to look for something else to play no matter how hard it hurts. Someone needs to teach these gaming companies a lesson they forgot. I didn't realize how important 3rd party tools were until I tried by accident using my bookmark only for it to take me to the Shutdown page.
just when I thought about wanting to drop another couple thousand hours or so again into the game... this happens... even if I didn't use EDDB as much as I needed to, it still says a lot about someone who has put in so much as a 3rd party community tool dev. The fact Frontier devs themselves haven't even taken lengths into improving QoL on this level is staggering. Lately, all I ever see is paintjobs, a push to fight Thargoids (which I have no desire to do...) and a lot of curious wonderment as to where the state of Elite: Dangerous is, and what it's actually going to become.
Is the game dead? I can't really say or not... but I'll tell you this much. After 2,500+ hours, and all that's been said and done... I think it's time I go and try out No Man's Sky instead...
Omg you're gonna have a blast!
Cartoonist graphics aside, it's massive! Bigger than elite and every planet has something to study, name, feed, ride and tame as a pet!
Build a base EXACTLY how you want it!!!
Cross play with ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS!!!
New update comes out? Go to old save games and re save to update them and NOT LOSE THOSE SAVES!!!
EDDB made Elite playable for me. I haven't played in awhile, but was considering getting back into the cockpit... but without EDDB I doubt I will. Sure there are other sites but some info was only available on EDDB. So thanks to the creator of this service, I appreciated your efforts.
Dang! This is the end of an era : (
Without EDDB I wouldn't have played Elite Dangerous for as long as I did.
It made the game tolerable for me.
Man! I hadn't realized how blind we are without 3rd party tools!
It's reallyt a slap in the face to the whole community that after all these years, and now KNOWING that their original idea of having to visit each system personally to get information is a complete failure, that Fdev hasn't added the tools into the game to make these sites obsolete. I can understand that the original idea was needing to visit the system was a way to be more immersive, and even if they wanted to continue to use the " purchase Data" function after adding in more robust data/information/commerce/etc features into the game to facilitate the roleplay aspect of obtaining that info, I think it's VERY obvious that the Devs have essentially taken advantage of these community members to add functionality that Fdev should have been doing themselves so they could focus their efforts on making skins and other bullshit instead. I think the 3rd party tools sites should go on a real week long strike AGAIn to push home the idea that it's time for FDEV to get off their lazy asses and get to overhauling this aspect of the game after they are done with the engineering overhaul that is likely coming out soon.
Farewell Themroc O7 and God speed.
o7 thank you for your service and support to ED community , EDDB did a big help to me and my friends , EDDB tool did make us become real "Elite" player , thank you very much from the buttom of my heart ❤❤
Seeing as Elite is on the way out, it has been great flying commanders. See you beyond the stars o7
Bullshit
There's one thing that bothered me about how Elite handles things like "exploration".
I took a new player friend with me scanning planets for some cash to help them and found out that even though they're the one doing the scanning, they can't get paid for it if they're doing it from YOUR ship. This basically means that they also do not get credit for even being in that system, even if they're on your crew. It makes no sense that the game registers it all to your ship and not the player itself.
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