Poland would never agree to such a reduction of the country's territory, especially Poland, is on the side of the winners here, a more realistic option is the return of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@@pmcshow44 When people don't take things seriously and do what would seem cool instead of what makes sense. Yes, ik that's the point of these but still shows it's impact
While I very much agree that if China were forcefully democratised after say WW2, they would be an unstable and a massive mess. But most people who suggest that, actually unknowingly don’t. They suggest putting the Kuomintang in power as sole government. Like in the video’s scenario. The Kuomintang were hardly democratic in that era. After Yuan Shikai tried to declare himself emperor all pretext of democracy was thrown out the window, and hardline military dictatorship took over in the following warlord era, and continued through the Japanese invasion, and the civil war. The Kuomintang didn’t drop the military dictatorship even when reduced to just Taiwan until 1987, when democracy was restored, specifically to prevent unrest and republican revolt. A unified China under the Kuomintang of Chiang Kai-shek would have been a brutal oppressive hell hole, worse than the atrocities that happened under Mao. They weren’t democratic, they were authoritarian nationalists and would have ruled as they did in Taiwan under Chiang Kai-shek, with an iron fist without mercy.
@@Danube-TVOr more pissed off that they loose all pre-war territories despite being victims in WW3. If Russia will not go revanchist route first, I can see Poles get into conflict with Ukrainians over Galicia, reminding them Volyn and etc.
Stalin gave away polish lands to northern Germany which then alligns itself with west anyways and after war Poland being victim again still gets eastern territories taken away somehow this guy really hates Poland cus just gave away their land for no real reason
@@ElfinHat96 sure, but in real life they got compensated with German territory. They kept silesia here which is nice i guess but I think the eastern borders are still a bit too harsh considering the massive Polish minority abroad. They'd at least want Lviv I reckon
ahh yes, what a realistic starting map thank you PH for going through such torture, through the last viewer border video premier i had to bleach my eyes
Damn I half expected you to let us vote on the peace deal of that third world war aswell, but I guess the world realized how bad our first arrangement was ahh
WW3 in this timeline would likely have conspiracy theorists who would believe that America secretly planned to start WW3, knowing they would be the only one to get off relatively scott free.
isn't that basically what happened? the US chose to prop up their hated chinese puppet state, the US chose to continue fighting the war and initiating the first strike with nuclear weapons, and the US ensured the only outcome of the war could be either total victory or total defeat
@@Kaiser_Polaris In the revolutionary war they didn't exist yet and little infrastructure damage happened. Very little damage during 1812 either. Compare this to Europe, Poland completely destroyed, so many dead, USSR completely destroyed, 1/8th of population dead, Yugoslavia, Germany, etc. etc. Although they rebuilt quite quickly, with the Soviet and Warsaw Pact policy of housing for all, the damage is still felt. Western Europe was relatively untouched.
@@minestar2247 I guess the success of D-day was just a rare probably then seeing as it was stormy and the general overlooking France that could've stopped it coincidentally decided that there's no way the Americans are going to invade in this weather and went to see his wife on her birthday which was also coincidentally on D-day.
Well Europe is just awful. Germany could become a great power like OTL economically especially with it being larger but it is currently much weaker state.
The after-scenarios are honestly my favorite part about the viewer polls, seeing the conclusion to us in the audience's truly perfect peace treaties is satisfying.
You do a great job of improvising what the viewers decide, no matter how crazy it is. It reminds me of when I was little and would just randomly ask my mom or grandparents "what if these two countries merged" or "what is this really, really minor political candidate like Peter Cooper in 1876 that won the election." Yes, I was a very early reader and loved looking at almanacs in history but I certainly had no concept of what all went into them. My family would come up with fun stories just like you did. And they really encouraged my love of history and storytelling.
6:53 Despite making it impossible to get a nuke to Paris with airplanes from such a gigantic distance from fighting, Paris is the place where communism was born it's both ldlotlc and incoherent, France also wouldn't follow blindly NATO plan and probably retain diplomatic ties with USSR to stop the war quickly and preferably gain something from it. The only viable targets would be closer to the fighting and be NATO bases in Germany and if an insane plan to attack a capital it would be London to be a blow to both Europe and USA, as Paris getting removed from the map would mean very little to NATO and even be secretly welcomed as it's centered around american domination and only France have it's own route they follow without american interference.
Legit. If not London then a more realistic target would be a port cities like Rotterdam, nuking France in this scenario did nothing to help the Soviets while blowing up continental Europe's biggest port would hamper NATO logistics massively.
@@scottthejatt he was German, but the Paris commune was one of the first examples of a working communist government, and that was when the Prussians got to france before declaring Germany.
Yeah, a France that was forced to give up Indochina after the war would absolutely not align itself with the US and Britain. While the war in Asia is plausible, I can't say the same for the war he describes in Europe.
@@Aetherblade-z4oyou know being dominated by a foreign empire is not very nice, america (and the brits and french) have caused so much destruction and death not only for the world but for themselves, just look who gave lots of money and guns to the mujahideen (the soviets were also bad but they didn't cause as much conflict on the world)
Maybe but at the same time its not a garantee. After all if germany and austria would want to unite right now, i dont think anyone would really stop them but there just isnt really a big wish for it.
Yes and I don't understand why Germans should be given back land annexed after the war. The Monarchists and ex Nazi officials would be more than willing to fight the Soviets anyway. All NATO is doing by giving away the land is pissing off Denmark, the Netherlands and Poland.
@@board-qu9iu I am aware, i am just saying that considering they dont unite right now, shows that uniting just for the sake of being united is not enough of a reason by itself. In the 1920s there were massive economic benefits for austria to join while now most of these benefits are already available via the EU.
Honestly, i believe that germany would have been able to re-unify, and particularly with monarchies at it's head, it would have looked to retake silesia, given it's large German Population.
The blursed timeline. The world goes through 3 world wars, all involving Germany, and yet they come out of it almost the same territorially and governmentally.
I like to think nukes were dismantled in this timeline, since there is no opposing nuclear power, and Paris is a monument to their destructive power. I think the populace would be against nukes, though we might see nuclear reactors still pop up. In fact, since Uranium was only chosen because it had byproducts used in nukes, we may see Thorium used instead, culling the nuclear waste that could be created, and solving the energy crisis before it happens.
The populace would likely be against nukes, but america is now dominant and has a very powerful propoganda engine, considering how much power being the only nuclear power gives them, I imagine the US would use their nukes as leverage over everyone else.
There would be an American nuclear monopoly, period. With, possibly, civilian nuclear power graciously allowed to trusted subjects like Britain or France, but under strict control.
imo america would only allow itself to wield nuclear power - it would give massive scientific, military and economic advantages which would secure itself into the future and since it is so easy to tell if someone is developing nuclear technology, it would be easy to justify to the world that no-one else should be allowed to wield it due to the devastation caused (look at how much the nukes in japan convince people on the nuclear threat, let alone the complete destruction of a major european capital city like paris or berlin)
“A 5 minute conversation with the average voter is the strongest argument against democracy” -Winston Churchill Quite possibly the only good thing Churchill has ever said
@@socire721. Most countries are not democracies. 2. What are the other options? Tell me a system of government that does not opress its people but is as efficient as authoritarian systems. What options are there?
@@HWQFish 1. True 2. Democratic Socialism. Example:Cuba. And by Cuba i mean its political system, not the economic conditions (cuz of US embargo) for example in Cuba the people voted in favour of the world’s most progressive code. This is actual involvement of people in decision making. I believe AzureScapegoat has a good video on this system.
Given the absurd amount of specificity in the WW1 poll, why are there no options relating to Zionism? The Zionist mission to the San Remo Conference (the one that officially decided the borders in the Levant between Britain and France) had some... interesting ideas.
That was at the end of WW2, civilian centres had long been targeted before Hiroshima/Nagasaki. He's saying in this hypothetical WW3, that attack on Paris would've been the first targeted attack on civilians.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had significant military industry facilities located there, Kyoto was also on the short list, but was rejected for it's cultural and religious significance to the Japanese people. I don't think there are any military factories in or around Paris.
@@K9TheFirst1 you know that you have to man the industry? So it's naturally located close to urban areas. Using conventional bombs on them is totally legitimate military strategy. Using nukes (their power was known after testing) is not.
Could we maybe see a situation where capitalism and democracy is seen in the same light as communism (failed ideology) is today? That would be interesting
Interesting video. I've been bingeing your channel recently and I'm thankful for all the content. It's a fun thought experiment - but out of all times there could have been a WW3 between Soviet and the US - right after WW2 would have been the absolute worst for the communist bloc. It's unthinkable really, that an utterly spent Russia would wage an offensive war against the richest and mightiest alliance of all time - with nuclear weapons ready. The people mostly worshipped Stalin, and Russian morale was extraordinary in their existential struggle against the nazis - but for a territorial land-grab, I think the Russian people would be near the breaking point... They'd not perform very well in this war at all. But this is so difficult without knowing what the actual peace conference was like. (Having seen the catastrophe that was the Nazi invasion of Russia, I'm sure NATO wouldn't be so eager either 😅)
You're missing a critical event that happened in our world and would have been even more severe in this one: the Soviets uprooting what little industrial equipment that remained in eastern Europe and transporting it back to the USSR. A Soviet Union that was told it had to return to 1938 borders wouldn't stop there. They would rip up the rail lines just for the scrap metal. The Poland, Czechoslovakia, Baltic states, and Prussia created here would be plunged in to a catastrophic famine with no way to transport the meagre food they do produce. Stalin wanted to reduce Germany to a nation of subsistence farmers. His withdrawing army would guarantee it.
I have no idea where you got the statement that stalin genuinely wanted to reduce germany to a nation of subsistence farmers when a lot of his post-war efforts were spent propping east germany up to be a powerful bulwark against the west
I vote on this peace Deal ,but damn are crowds stupid. Just look how you more or less had to make Stalin a Fan of free self determination. I think it would be more believable If Stalin just had a stroke for the entirety of the first peace Deal.
I don’t think people are stupid for this. They didn’t vote with the idea that they were going for a sustainable or safe option, people did that vote for an absurd and fun scenario to watch play out
@@austingole4861the entire ww2 peace deal looked Like an elaborate ass Pull for Russia and china, and the idea of ww3 aint really fu if you get deeper than the map painting stage
7:30 it would make sense for them to dislike the Soviets for nuking a civilian city, especially the biggest in Europe. but the nuke would actually do a pretty good job to make other nations stay the hell away from both sides.
of course America wins, they always do and i love at the end how all people from the USSR exepct Russians rise up like its a movie "and together they win against the evil communists"
this idea that everyone other than russia hated being in the USSR and would rise up immediately given the chance has always confounded me. the ukrainian SSR has, at least as far as history goes, definitely not been the most cooperative, and neither have the baltic SSRs given the USSR basically annexed them. but the vast majority of the USSR stayed in the union voluntarily from its foundation up until its dissolution, and even during that dissolution many of the post-soviet states were unsure as where to go next and many joined the newly formed russian sphere anyways, including but not limited to belarus, kazakhstan, and the many SSRs that ended up joining the russian federation. the USSR wasn't some hellstate from 1984, the citizens always had many issues with it and it did lack federal popular representation to a great degree but at no point did issues ever boil over close enough for the idea of total national separation to even be considered, and I highly doubt such an idea would stick when the USSR is actively being invaded by the very nations they've always feared
@@nyctomint I completly agree, and its more confusing when you discover that the Ukrainian SSR quickly built relations with the USSR and were considered the exemple of a good SSR, that stayed too with Ukraine aligning with Russia until of course the 2014 coup
@@sprintfoxy1240 yeah sure, Bolsheviks entered UNR, repressed it's population, created an artificial state that was completely under Moscow's control and even such formal existence of Ukrainian state made bolsheviks losing their minds.
I was thinking, these "viewer decided peace deals" videos are quite fun, but there's only so many events which it can be used for. So, why not do something for WW3? A late Cold War, 1980s/1990s WW3 sort of thing, after Détente went far better and there's less nukes to throw around. There's a bunch of video ideas from that: How the war happened, a REDFOR victory scenario, a BLUFOR victory scenario, and then viewer's voting on the peace deals of both outcomes, and then the videos of how these peace deals turn out.
To be honest we do have some earlier peace deals/treaties to cover that would be interesting. 1. An alternative end of the 30 years War. 2. An alternative colonization of the new world (not a singular treaty, but would be fun to have viewers vote on initial colonies in the new world). 3. An alternative end to the American Revolution (what lands do Spain and France gain, do the states unite or become separate nations)
OKAY OKAY EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MACARTHUR CHINA NUKES ARE DEFINETLY FROM "What if Macarthur became president in 1946?" But I am actually happy because I liked that video, so I am VERY happy!
There isn't much more of a second part to have when the US can just nuke anything that becomes a problem, and using nukes tactically has a precedent, and the Monarchies eventually go the way of GB.
I think that North Italy cut off from direct Soviet control could try to retain neutrality a key word could. This is because although the PCI had strong Stalinist links to first win the election for Italy and then stabilize the entirety of North Italy especially parts such as Piedmont and Venice they would have be viewed as more democratic and progressive, thus cutting their Stalinist ties in the process.
It sounds like North Italy did try for neutrality in this timeline. He says that they got pulled into the conflict after a riot escalated. Basically, North Italy cracked down too hard on anti-communist elements and got a target on their back for it.
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a amazing video it's like war games simulation next time do a AI makes an alternative Europe
Amazing video I shall vote in the next peoples vote
Poland would never agree to such a reduction of the country's territory, especially Poland, is on the side of the winners here, a more realistic option is the return of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
From the point where you said the viewers decided the peace deal, I can see how this would go wrong
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@@NibanoTransmontanoConcordo
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Nice pfp bro. Yes, all these videos are basically proof of the horrors of democracy
@@pmcshow44
When people don't take things seriously and do what would seem cool instead of what makes sense.
Yes, ik that's the point of these but still shows it's impact
"After the coup, Stalin was removed from life."
The wheeze that escaped from me was incredible. Excellent writing
He quoted "history matters" style
I don’t understand why people think that if China was democratic it somehow becomes west-aligned and is peaceful and stable
"Democracy is relative"
- some random dictator
Same reason people thought a democratic Iraq would somehow be a U.S. ally
While I very much agree that if China were forcefully democratised after say WW2, they would be an unstable and a massive mess.
But most people who suggest that, actually unknowingly don’t.
They suggest putting the Kuomintang in power as sole government.
Like in the video’s scenario.
The Kuomintang were hardly democratic in that era.
After Yuan Shikai tried to declare himself emperor all pretext of democracy was thrown out the window, and hardline military dictatorship took over in the following warlord era, and continued through the Japanese invasion, and the civil war.
The Kuomintang didn’t drop the military dictatorship even when reduced to just Taiwan until 1987, when democracy was restored, specifically to prevent unrest and republican revolt.
A unified China under the Kuomintang of Chiang Kai-shek would have been a brutal oppressive hell hole, worse than the atrocities that happened under Mao.
They weren’t democratic, they were authoritarian nationalists and would have ruled as they did in Taiwan under Chiang Kai-shek, with an iron fist without mercy.
Some places should never have full democracies, including China and the middle east, because it just causes more problems than solutions
@@A.R._Ironstarhardly worse. No communizing the fields and bird shooting, no famine. And ruling all of china spells faster democratization
Possible History viewers trying not to give land to Poland and piss Russia off challenge impossible
Honestly, I will bet my kneecaps that they'll pull out Intermarium. There's just no way they won't do that.
bUt RuSsA aTaKk UkKRaiN hoW CuLd yOU fAvOuR tHeM !!!1!!
@@user-cmcumm not funny
@@Danube-TVOr more pissed off that they loose all pre-war territories despite being victims in WW3. If Russia will not go revanchist route first, I can see Poles get into conflict with Ukrainians over Galicia, reminding them Volyn and etc.
Possible history viewers that vote usually are delusional or trolling or going for the underdog that favours them
Poland got shafted harder than in the real timeline which is impressive
All of them do
Stalin gave away polish lands to northern Germany which then alligns itself with west anyways and after war Poland being victim again still gets eastern territories taken away somehow this guy really hates Poland cus just gave away their land for no real reason
Small Poland Booki
Tho Poland retained some territories that are currently in Belarus
@@ElfinHat96 sure, but in real life they got compensated with German territory. They kept silesia here which is nice i guess but I think the eastern borders are still a bit too harsh considering the massive Polish minority abroad. They'd at least want Lviv I reckon
"After a coup, Stalin is removed from..."
Power?
"Life."
Same thing, really, in his Soviet Union.
Not really. Gorbachev lived.
sotrue @@lesbaguette4381
@@lesbaguette4381That wasn't Stalin's Soviet Union though.
@@DarthAwesome117 Right! Thought that said 'the' rather than 'his'.
sadly@@lesbaguette4381
ahh yes, what a realistic starting map
thank you PH for going through such torture, through the last viewer border video premier i had to bleach my eyes
what do you mean? That video was Beautiful!
What's worst is the outcome, I feel like screaming my lungs out because of that
@@minestar2247fr
The map of Europe before WW2 looks like that the hoi4 AI did the peace deal, but the player with a mod
changed it a little bit to doesnt look horrific
Lesson learned:Never let youtube viewers be politician
Or redditor
Damn I half expected you to let us vote on the peace deal of that third world war aswell, but I guess the world realized how bad our first arrangement was ahh
These videos make me think democracy is a mistake, Including forcefully westernising the rest of the world, even irl
WW3 in this timeline would likely have conspiracy theorists who would believe that America secretly planned to start WW3, knowing they would be the only one to get off relatively scott free.
isn't that basically what happened? the US chose to prop up their hated chinese puppet state, the US chose to continue fighting the war and initiating the first strike with nuclear weapons, and the US ensured the only outcome of the war could be either total victory or total defeat
Yeah, they could claim that America strong-armed the WW2 negotiations to ensure that the communists started WW3.
That’s the US in every war. They only fight war on home soil if it’s against themselves or a weak foreign power (like Mexico or Canada)
@@socire72didn't they fight the British empire in the revolutionary war and the war of 1812
@@Kaiser_Polaris In the revolutionary war they didn't exist yet and little infrastructure damage happened. Very little damage during 1812 either. Compare this to Europe, Poland completely destroyed, so many dead, USSR completely destroyed, 1/8th of population dead, Yugoslavia, Germany, etc. etc.
Although they rebuilt quite quickly, with the Soviet and Warsaw Pact policy of housing for all, the damage is still felt. Western Europe was relatively untouched.
You should continue this, it would be interesting to see how the damage plays out in the decades after
@@senkler everything is impossible to predict, all is probabilities anyway
@@minestar2247 I guess the success of D-day was just a rare probably then seeing as it was stormy and the general overlooking France that could've stopped it coincidentally decided that there's no way the Americans are going to invade in this weather and went to see his wife on her birthday which was also coincidentally on D-day.
@@mksushi5754 exactly
Well Europe is just awful. Germany could become a great power like OTL economically especially with it being larger but it is currently much weaker state.
PH is not good with sociology. The West no doubt has collective PTSD from the world wars.
"Stalin was removed from life"
I am on the floor with this one.
Stalin was on the floor with this one too.
"I DON'T WANT PEACE! I WANT PROBLEMS! ALWAYS!"
Me, one of the psychopathic maniacs who voted on the last video's peace deal
The after-scenarios are honestly my favorite part about the viewer polls, seeing the conclusion to us in the audience's truly perfect peace treaties is satisfying.
You do a great job of improvising what the viewers decide, no matter how crazy it is. It reminds me of when I was little and would just randomly ask my mom or grandparents "what if these two countries merged" or "what is this really, really minor political candidate like Peter Cooper in 1876 that won the election." Yes, I was a very early reader and loved looking at almanacs in history but I certainly had no concept of what all went into them. My family would come up with fun stories just like you did. And they really encouraged my love of history and storytelling.
6:53 Despite making it impossible to get a nuke to Paris with airplanes from such a gigantic distance from fighting, Paris is the place where communism was born it's both ldlotlc and incoherent, France also wouldn't follow blindly NATO plan and probably retain diplomatic ties with USSR to stop the war quickly and preferably gain something from it. The only viable targets would be closer to the fighting and be NATO bases in Germany and if an insane plan to attack a capital it would be London to be a blow to both Europe and USA, as Paris getting removed from the map would mean very little to NATO and even be secretly welcomed as it's centered around american domination and only France have it's own route they follow without american interference.
You do realize France is anti-communist regardless of some radicals within. Also it's not even the birth place of communism or the only one
Legit. If not London then a more realistic target would be a port cities like Rotterdam, nuking France in this scenario did nothing to help the Soviets while blowing up continental Europe's biggest port would hamper NATO logistics massively.
How strange, i didnt know Marx was from Paris?
@@scottthejatt he was German, but the Paris commune was one of the first examples of a working communist government, and that was when the Prussians got to france before declaring Germany.
Yeah, a France that was forced to give up Indochina after the war would absolutely not align itself with the US and Britain. While the war in Asia is plausible, I can't say the same for the war he describes in Europe.
France : gets a nuke dropped on Paris
Also France, doesn't get any reparation or return...
Well it’s France so I see no issue😊
Himmler survived in this timeline and lived to organize that part of the reorganization deal.
Possibly for the best. We saw from WW1 and its aftermath how "helpful" French reparations can be for securing a lasting peace.
Maybe France will turn into a Facist.
14 seconds(by far the most realistic ww3 senario)
hello@Quited408
The former Axis:
"Where we really that bad?"
China:
1984
India and Indonesia:
Hell.
Paris:
Got a makeover.
"Paris: Got a makeover."
I already like the timeline, you don't have to sell it to me.
This scenario... TNO : Thousand week American Empire.
sounds like the 21st century
@@socire72like America is bad or something or just America dominates the world?
@@Aetherblade-z4o both. Although US crimes are not as bad as Nazi Germany of course.
@@Aetherblade-z4oyou know being dominated by a foreign empire is not very nice, america (and the brits and french) have caused so much destruction and death not only for the world but for themselves, just look who gave lots of money and guns to the mujahideen (the soviets were also bad but they didn't cause as much conflict on the world)
@@eduardcardenas9736No. The Soviets aren't as bad. They are worse.
I love these viewer videos, it’s so fun to take part in them!
11:43 quite impressive they managed to have a civil war with only 2 and a half people dying
Either that or a half person died? idk what that entail either
@@RegularRhombicDodecahedronhe got sliced in half, whaddya expect
@@RegularRhombicDodecahedron of course! It's basic maths..
Germany would definitely reunite, I don't see how they would remain separate.
Maybe but at the same time its not a garantee. After all if germany and austria would want to unite right now, i dont think anyone would really stop them but there just isnt really a big wish for it.
@@theChaosKeit was a huge support during the 1920s within Austria to join Germany but they were prevented by treaty
Yes and I don't understand why Germans should be given back land annexed after the war. The Monarchists and ex Nazi officials would be more than willing to fight the Soviets anyway. All NATO is doing by giving away the land is pissing off Denmark, the Netherlands and Poland.
Wouldn't the existence of the UN incentivize them to remain separate, united in confederation?
@@board-qu9iu I am aware, i am just saying that considering they dont unite right now, shows that uniting just for the sake of being united is not enough of a reason by itself.
In the 1920s there were massive economic benefits for austria to join while now most of these benefits are already available via the EU.
This is an incredibly fascinating scenario. I love it, Czechoslovakia even survived.
Probably not, and not for long
i kinda don't get why czechoslovakia starts with crippled czech borders but yeah
It's because most of the ethnically German Sudetenland was split between Austria and Saxony as per the viewer vote.
@@DakuHonooGerman sudetenland population got integrated into the surrounding German states.
as a Pole this is a nightmare
Honestly Stalin wouldn’t give Danzig and Silesian shit away to monarchies
u sure? he seemed pretty confident in giving Finland a bit of Karelia in exchange for southern lands
@@derevianne1108worthless lands for actually developed land. what are you talking about?
@@DreerKarler fair point
@@derevianne1108 Stalin only cooperates with non communist countries when it benefits him. Stalin would also not give up manchuria for no reason.
Honestly, i believe that germany would have been able to re-unify, and particularly with monarchies at it's head, it would have looked to retake silesia, given it's large German Population.
The blursed timeline. The world goes through 3 world wars, all involving Germany, and yet they come out of it almost the same territorially and governmentally.
I doubt that that German population would still exist.
I like to think nukes were dismantled in this timeline, since there is no opposing nuclear power, and Paris is a monument to their destructive power.
I think the populace would be against nukes, though we might see nuclear reactors still pop up. In fact, since Uranium was only chosen because it had byproducts used in nukes, we may see Thorium used instead, culling the nuclear waste that could be created, and solving the energy crisis before it happens.
The populace would likely be against nukes, but america is now dominant and has a very powerful propoganda engine, considering how much power being the only nuclear power gives them, I imagine the US would use their nukes as leverage over everyone else.
There would be an American nuclear monopoly, period. With, possibly, civilian nuclear power graciously allowed to trusted subjects like Britain or France, but under strict control.
Ergo, _the_ worst timeline.
imo america would only allow itself to wield nuclear power - it would give massive scientific, military and economic advantages which would secure itself into the future and since it is so easy to tell if someone is developing nuclear technology, it would be easy to justify to the world that no-one else should be allowed to wield it due to the devastation caused (look at how much the nukes in japan convince people on the nuclear threat, let alone the complete destruction of a major european capital city like paris or berlin)
I think it'd be neat to do a poll for a scenario in which the losers in OTL were victorious (i.e. Central Powers victory, Axis victory)
WHAT IF EVERYTHING WENT PERFECT FOR THE BRITISH EMPIRE
I guess they could gain theyre colonial claims
like cpngo
I mean... It kind of already did... They controlled like 25% of the world at one point.
It did
Mosquito coast ?
yes i love these alternate viewer scenarios
This is why we need democracy! Imagine in the future the internet votes for border changes, what could go wrong?
“A 5 minute conversation with the average voter is the strongest argument against democracy”
-Winston Churchill
Quite possibly the only good thing Churchill has ever said
@@socire721. Most countries are not democracies. 2. What are the other options? Tell me a system of government that does not opress its people but is as efficient as authoritarian systems. What options are there?
@@HWQFish 1. True
2. Democratic Socialism. Example:Cuba. And by Cuba i mean its political system, not the economic conditions (cuz of US embargo) for example in Cuba the people voted in favour of the world’s most progressive code. This is actual involvement of people in decision making.
I believe AzureScapegoat has a good video on this system.
Did nobody realize that this is @rewriting-history???
@@malachiriehl1053 impossible
Here’s an idea: you could do these vote/script ideas for alternate outcomes of the wars, like a central powers or axis powers victory.
7:05 i see this as an absolute win
When I voted in this poll I did try to keep the East and west separated. But clearlother people love chaos too much.
YES! The sequel! Love these videos man😊😊😊😊😊
yeah all the videos on the channel are good..... except for this one.
As an American, I see this as an absolute win.
Ditto.
11:43. '2.5 Deaths.'
I love these video series, viewers voting, then you explaining what happens.
I’m glad you used operation unthinkable but I would like to see your interpretation of operation unthinkable in an alternative version of our timeline
Given the absurd amount of specificity in the WW1 poll, why are there no options relating to Zionism? The Zionist mission to the San Remo Conference (the one that officially decided the borders in the Levant between Britain and France) had some... interesting ideas.
Awesome video, and I am also happy that you have finally some collaboration, so you wil get more money.
This sounds like the perfect timeline. Paris gone? The USSR gone? MacArthur does the funny thing? Sign me up
Good job Possible History!
No, he didn't even try
I would like to see this continue, great work!
I have been looking forward for this
we did it again
another successful negotiation
Love your videos!🧡🧡
13:19 hungary romania looks like something the viewers voted on ngl
What if everything went right for the third French Republic (or the second empire)
Poland not having sea access in the end hurts
Being landlocked never stopped the Swiss from prospering, and Austria's doing good today. It's not a death sentence for the Polish.
“Stalin, was removed from life” also nuclear war without MAD is really cool, and for some strange reason I still want communist Spain
Finally! I got to vote on this one it was super cool!
Man I'm proud to say I voted for this mess.
most capable PH viewer:
Im proud of Greater Yugoslavia and monarchism in Europe
Honestly I try to create as much chaos as possible to make the video about what would happen more interesting
Love your content man! Idea: What if franz ferdinand survives and became Emperor?
7:13 but their nukes in Japan were targeted at civilians with no problems. And irl nothing followed.
That was at the end of WW2, civilian centres had long been targeted before Hiroshima/Nagasaki. He's saying in this hypothetical WW3, that attack on Paris would've been the first targeted attack on civilians.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had significant military industry facilities located there, Kyoto was also on the short list, but was rejected for it's cultural and religious significance to the Japanese people.
I don't think there are any military factories in or around Paris.
@@K9TheFirst1 you know that you have to man the industry? So it's naturally located close to urban areas. Using conventional bombs on them is totally legitimate military strategy. Using nukes (their power was known after testing) is not.
Japan was a power people hated as they started the war they got nuked in.
France was part of a defensive alliance that got attacked
Could we maybe see a situation where capitalism and democracy is seen in the same light as communism (failed ideology) is today? That would be interesting
he had a video "how Soviets could have won the cold war", this is pretty much it
This is gonna be magical
0:44 "before the war" Kresy were taken during the war, not before the war
Before they were in the war ofc
Woo! Good video. Took a while.
Frankly speaking, Poland should lose less land because Poland's borders were created when the Soviets resettled the population.
Interesting video. I've been bingeing your channel recently and I'm thankful for all the content.
It's a fun thought experiment - but out of all times there could have been a WW3 between Soviet and the US - right after WW2 would have been the absolute worst for the communist bloc. It's unthinkable really, that an utterly spent Russia would wage an offensive war against the richest and mightiest alliance of all time - with nuclear weapons ready.
The people mostly worshipped Stalin, and Russian morale was extraordinary in their existential struggle against the nazis - but for a territorial land-grab, I think the Russian people would be near the breaking point... They'd not perform very well in this war at all.
But this is so difficult without knowing what the actual peace conference was like.
(Having seen the catastrophe that was the Nazi invasion of Russia, I'm sure NATO wouldn't be so eager either 😅)
"realising he wouldnt win in a long war and desperate to secure a peace deal" ah yes, so stalin-like
"Stalin was removed from life"
That got me
“After time, Stalin was removed from life”😂😂😂
This series is so good you should go further back.
I want to deal in the 7 years war!
good video been waiting for a while
I hope this WWI poll comes out just as cursed as the WWII poll did
You're missing a critical event that happened in our world and would have been even more severe in this one: the Soviets uprooting what little industrial equipment that remained in eastern Europe and transporting it back to the USSR. A Soviet Union that was told it had to return to 1938 borders wouldn't stop there. They would rip up the rail lines just for the scrap metal. The Poland, Czechoslovakia, Baltic states, and Prussia created here would be plunged in to a catastrophic famine with no way to transport the meagre food they do produce. Stalin wanted to reduce Germany to a nation of subsistence farmers. His withdrawing army would guarantee it.
I have no idea where you got the statement that stalin genuinely wanted to reduce germany to a nation of subsistence farmers when a lot of his post-war efforts were spent propping east germany up to be a powerful bulwark against the west
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I vote on this peace Deal ,but damn are crowds stupid. Just look how you more or less had to make Stalin a Fan of free self determination.
I think it would be more believable If Stalin just had a stroke for the entirety of the first peace Deal.
Or stalin dies before the negotiations, and a different soviet premier does the negotitiations
I don’t think people are stupid for this. They didn’t vote with the idea that they were going for a sustainable or safe option, people did that vote for an absurd and fun scenario to watch play out
@@austingole4861the entire ww2 peace deal looked Like an elaborate ass Pull for Russia and china, and the idea of ww3 aint really fu if you get deeper than the map painting stage
7:30 it would make sense for them to dislike the Soviets for nuking a civilian city, especially the biggest in Europe. but the nuke would actually do a pretty good job to make other nations stay the hell away from both sides.
of course America wins, they always do and i love at the end how all people from the USSR exepct Russians rise up like its a movie "and together they win against the evil communists"
this idea that everyone other than russia hated being in the USSR and would rise up immediately given the chance has always confounded me. the ukrainian SSR has, at least as far as history goes, definitely not been the most cooperative, and neither have the baltic SSRs given the USSR basically annexed them. but the vast majority of the USSR stayed in the union voluntarily from its foundation up until its dissolution, and even during that dissolution many of the post-soviet states were unsure as where to go next and many joined the newly formed russian sphere anyways, including but not limited to belarus, kazakhstan, and the many SSRs that ended up joining the russian federation. the USSR wasn't some hellstate from 1984, the citizens always had many issues with it and it did lack federal popular representation to a great degree but at no point did issues ever boil over close enough for the idea of total national separation to even be considered, and I highly doubt such an idea would stick when the USSR is actively being invaded by the very nations they've always feared
@@nyctomint I completly agree, and its more confusing when you discover that the Ukrainian SSR quickly built relations with the USSR and were considered the exemple of a good SSR, that stayed too with Ukraine aligning with Russia until of course the 2014 coup
@@sprintfoxy1240 yeah sure, Bolsheviks entered UNR, repressed it's population, created an artificial state that was completely under Moscow's control and even such formal existence of Ukrainian state made bolsheviks losing their minds.
@@sprintfoxy1240If by coup, you mean Ukrainian citizens not particularly enjoying getting shot for protesting. Then sure, it was a coup.
been waiting for this
I have never wanted to die so much because of a map in my entire life until now.
For the form i tried to give the Germany as much land as possible
I was thinking, these "viewer decided peace deals" videos are quite fun, but there's only so many events which it can be used for.
So, why not do something for WW3? A late Cold War, 1980s/1990s WW3 sort of thing, after Détente went far better and there's less nukes to throw around. There's a bunch of video ideas from that: How the war happened, a REDFOR victory scenario, a BLUFOR victory scenario, and then viewer's voting on the peace deals of both outcomes, and then the videos of how these peace deals turn out.
To be honest we do have some earlier peace deals/treaties to cover that would be interesting.
1. An alternative end of the 30 years War.
2. An alternative colonization of the new world (not a singular treaty, but would be fun to have viewers vote on initial colonies in the new world).
3. An alternative end to the American Revolution (what lands do Spain and France gain, do the states unite or become separate nations)
Nice Idea for a what if: What If an Native American Confederation was succesful in defending itself and persisted.
Okay yeah, I see this as an absolute win.
My heart goes out to the 2.5 people killed in the Chinese civil war 💔
11:43
I feel bad for the half a person that died
F halfman, you will missed
OKAY OKAY EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MACARTHUR CHINA NUKES ARE DEFINETLY FROM "What if Macarthur became president in 1946?" But I am actually happy because I liked that video, so I am VERY happy!
Really interesting video
he should make a separate video on what would happen in India and Indonesia
I know it's a minor mistake but the implications of you colouring the island of Föhr between 5:01 and 5:02 makes it seem like Czechoslovakia owns it
It is
Good Job
I can’t wait for the WW1 video. That’s gonna be spicy.
"Stalin was removed from life" is fucking hilarious
I want to see a second part of this alternate world!
There isn't much more of a second part to have when the US can just nuke anything that becomes a problem, and using nukes tactically has a precedent, and the Monarchies eventually go the way of GB.
I think that North Italy cut off from direct Soviet control could try to retain neutrality a key word could.
This is because although the PCI had strong Stalinist links to first win the election for Italy and then stabilize the entirety of North Italy especially parts such as Piedmont and Venice they would have be viewed as more democratic and progressive, thus cutting their Stalinist ties in the process.
It sounds like North Italy did try for neutrality in this timeline. He says that they got pulled into the conflict after a riot escalated. Basically, North Italy cracked down too hard on anti-communist elements and got a target on their back for it.
Stalin was removed from life
Now we have to vote on the results of the 30 years war.
After a coup Stalin was removed from life 😂
I think it would be cool if you ranked how much we ruined each timeline
Once again, a American W.
US, UK, Japan, and Yugoslavia: I see no problem here
at a war thunder player i love the sponsorship lol, good job!
Alternate title:WW3 speedrun
I guess it could be worse…
Also, Pax Americana!
How is this our fault *whispers to self* “well it’s kind a obvious” *says out loud* you guys keep inviting us back. 😊