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It still has to be noted that the Soviets were already bogged down in several guerilla wars. Many of these groups also had knowledge of this operation. Assistance that unfortunately never arrived
An invasion of the Soviet Union might not have been successful, would have cost potentially millions of Allied lives, and would have prevented Japan from surrendering in 1945. Preventing Japan from surrendering would cause an invasion of Kyushu, which would have killed over 1 million Japanese and close to 120 thousand Americans. Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Considering we have an actual name (the Lost Generation) for the number of missing young people between the start of WW1 and the end of WW2, I'm really scared to think about the demographical changes globally from a third World War right before birth rates globally could recover, especially since this war would no doubt require more manpower on all sides combined than WWII.
16:20 Why wouldn't the Baltics be included in this? The Forest Brothers were promised support by the allies with their governments being in exile. Lithuania also would have had some serious concerns given the nuclear weapons used in Lithuania minor
Probably because of the fact that, unlike the Polish and German governments, the Baltic ones were still in exile and also whether the plea from such minor nations mattered compared to Poland and Germany
There are so many mistakes in this video that I cant even mentioned all , especially mistake by omission 1) The guerila forces in eastern Europe and the total hatred of eastern europeans for all that was soviet and comunist much higher than in the west , a Red Scare on steroids even before 1939 4 milion allies troops in Europe US was untouched by the war except for Pearl Harbour US alone had produce 3 times or airplanes than the Soviets The obiective of operațional untinkable was to push the soviets back in their borders not to attack Moscow
Theodore Roosevelt: I’m an American stud, and you’re the British Elmer Fudd! You should be ashamed of your military honor! Winston Churchill: I was saving the planet from an Axis of Darkness, while you were back home opening National Parks! Yes!
Do a What if with Napoleon winning Waterloo, and actually conducting a successful campaign against the allies. I really want more What Ifs with Napoleon. What if Napoleon intervened in Spain rather than Russia? What if Napoleon's Marshalls were successful in Spain?
Omg i love Alternate History omg if this was an actual series you made making it sound like it happend and animated I would die happy! Please make more of these alternate history plans!
So, if Scenario B were to happen, would Operation Downfall go through? Or would the US wait till they had nukes 3 and 4? I wanna see a video about that
Imagine having fought against the allies and soviets for years just for the allies to show up (Probaly Patton) and go "Well! Sorry guys! We fought the wrong enemy! How about we show them soviets what for together? :D"
I think option 2 would have been the most likely, except 1 bomb on each war. If they planned them to hit on the same day, the effect would be much the same. The threat of more landing would have both willing to talk favorable terms to the allies.
"Okay, we need a name for the operation to invade and betray the Soviet Union" "But sir, we fought together with them for so long now, this plan is unthinkable!" ""Unthinkable", I like it! "
My reaction to this video, as a german person living in the former Russian-occupied area of Germany: "Oh god, oh no. Thats gonna leave a lot of double-ruined cities"
14:17 - 15:37 No, no and no. What do you think the people that inhabited these areas has to say to that? The people from these nations would arise against this terror attack. To make speculated devastating attacks, you have to hit Mosco or Leningrad or actually strategic places that are only within the USSR and not the areas that were re-captured by USSR. This is just insane to even think that the already oppressed nations would happily give consent or celebrate to be destroyed. I wonder what the western area would have a say about that. Most of the allies would likely just disassemble because they don't want to be part of mass-genocide this scale.
Not really, by the end point of the war, the Soviets were crippled, exhausted from 4 years of constant fighting and heavy losses, their economy was essentially destroyed, its people of the verge of starvation and it's troops longed to go home, pile on the fact the soviet airforce leaned heavily upon lend leased high-octane fuel, the army also relied on lend leased trucks, boots, rations and materials to make high quality explosives and would be subjected to a strangulation via blockade, I can see Operation Unthinkable succeeding and the Soviet Union actually collapsing.
It would take a long time to rebuild French, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, and Belgium's forces to anywhere near the capable of facing an enemy. Let alone the soviet juggernaut of post ww2. Allied tanks were having trouble against german armour, soviet armour had experienced even more rapid improvement over german on the eastern front. The allies had the naval and strategic bombing forces hands down. But would have struggled in a ground war. Yes, the soviets needed material aid in the war especially after having to relocate or scorch their own manufacturing bases. But they were now scourering the conquerored territory for strategic rescources and had established their own manufacturing base well into their own territory. Soviet infantry had more automatic weaponry and had plenty of artillery of all calibres and decent close air support, although the western allies would have been able to severely hamper that. The newer tank designs might have helped, but by may 45 only a couple hundred pershings and a dozen centurion tanks and againts IS2s and 3s.
This “what if” questions are a reason why I’ve stopped watching kurzgesagt couple of years ago. They moved away from scientifically proven topics to purely theoretical what ifs and thats very repulsive to watch. Please don’t turn this channel into that.
You should make a "what if"where the modern day United States invade the Russian Federation, document and predict how such a war would progress and keep in mind the Russian's nukes cant even launch from their firing points so dont include nucleae warfare
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Gimme brain 🧠 😋
Please make a vid on the weapons of the 1965 war
It suddenly became Operation Thinkable.
Alternate History Hub was right, he's infected the rest of youtube with the genre, what has he done and how can we thank him?
?
He once said in the previous video that he "brought the curse of Alternate History onto other RUclips History Channels"
Wonder how it feels to be the Prometheus of a genre like that
Soldier: YAY FINALLY WW2 IS OVER NO MORE SUFFERING
Churchill:get ready guys we are going to invade the USSR
Surrendered German Soldier: Good luck with that, Winston.
Truman : "War's over! Now there shall be peace!"
Churchill and Stalin: "Yes... Peace"
stalin wanted peace, churchill having paronia that the soviet union was out to get him
Oversimpliefied reference?
Nice
It feels surreal that the same art style, channel, and good ol' voice are now teaching me alt history! Wow!
It still has to be noted that the Soviets were already bogged down in several guerilla wars. Many of these groups also had knowledge of this operation. Assistance that unfortunately never arrived
An invasion of the Soviet Union might not have been successful, would have cost potentially millions of Allied lives, and would have prevented Japan from surrendering in 1945. Preventing Japan from surrendering would cause an invasion of Kyushu, which would have killed over 1 million Japanese and close to 120 thousand Americans. Is the juice worth the squeeze?
This would have been a intersting alternate history scenerio.
Would make a solid fps or rts game premise
@@Godzilla00Xyess, someone needs to make an RTS out of this
An alt history "a suprise to be sure. But a welcome one" -some old guy
Alternate History??? By the Armchair Historian!?!?? How generous
Damn, Winston! Wtf is this? You really need to go to church and chill, jeez...
i see what you did there
What a time to be alive
Make "the what if?" a series please
Agreed and approved.
no, but it'll be good to see 2 per year
Will we get a video on operation downfall aka the planned invasion of Japan in 1945?
No we aren’t shut up now
no shut up
no now shut up
no now shut up
no now shut up
Considering we have an actual name (the Lost Generation) for the number of missing young people between the start of WW1 and the end of WW2, I'm really scared to think about the demographical changes globally from a third World War right before birth rates globally could recover, especially since this war would no doubt require more manpower on all sides combined than WWII.
Imagine the poor Poles if this actually happened.
"THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME IN 6 YEARS WE'VE BEEN INVADED. PLEASE. STOP."
My guy is getting into alternate history now? Let’s goooo!
I really like this. There’s not a lot of quality RUclips channels that do alternate history in this way
It really is a thought if this operation really happened. Even if the UK and the other Allies attacked the Soviet Union, would the populous agree?
"Operation Unthinkable" aka Churchill's last attempt to avoid getting his ass clapped by Clement Attley in the 1946 UK General Elections.
Lol
Churchill is a war criminal…
It's a shame Clement let party politics bring him down which fucked the UK's socialist movements going forward
Get out
get out
This is unthinkable....
Say that again?
@@koinu2741 "sir, the operation is unthinkable"
What would happen if Britain attacked but the USA said "not what we signed up for, neutral" and began withdrawing from Europe?
that wouldn't happen, by late 44 the americans were calling the shots
This just shows that how important it was to remove churchill
Who remembers when a lot of people believed that Russia had more soldiers than any nation had ammo
Alternate history hub is spreading his sphere of influence lmao
Former waffen SS volunteers fought in Korea and Indochina
GLORIOUS
Finally Griffin is diving off the deck into the depths of alternate history. My creative self is literally creaming itself fr 🎉
16:20 Why wouldn't the Baltics be included in this? The Forest Brothers were promised support by the allies with their governments being in exile. Lithuania also would have had some serious concerns given the nuclear weapons used in Lithuania minor
Probably because of the fact that, unlike the Polish and German governments, the Baltic ones were still in exile and also whether the plea from such minor nations mattered compared to Poland and Germany
It would be cool a space race video.
The War to start another war🪖
You think you’ll do a video about Operation Armageddon, an idea by the Irish military to invade Northern Ireland due to The Troubles?
There are so many mistakes in this video that I cant even mentioned all , especially mistake by omission
1) The guerila forces in eastern Europe and the total hatred of eastern europeans for all that was soviet and comunist much higher than in the west , a Red Scare on steroids even before 1939
4 milion allies troops in Europe
US was untouched by the war except for Pearl Harbour
US alone had produce 3 times or airplanes than the Soviets
The obiective of operațional untinkable was to push the soviets back in their borders not to attack Moscow
Theodore Roosevelt: I’m an American stud, and you’re the British Elmer Fudd! You should be ashamed of your military honor!
Winston Churchill: I was saving the planet from an Axis of Darkness, while you were back home opening National Parks! Yes!
Do a What if with Napoleon winning Waterloo, and actually conducting a successful campaign against the allies. I really want more What Ifs with Napoleon. What if Napoleon intervened in Spain rather than Russia? What if Napoleon's Marshalls were successful in Spain?
2:16 DAMN, that goes so hard man
Omg i love Alternate History omg if this was an actual series you made making it sound like it happend and animated I would die happy! Please make more of these alternate history plans!
1 hour squad! Or 20 min too
Early crowd where y'all at?
So, if Scenario B were to happen, would Operation Downfall go through? Or would the US wait till they had nukes 3 and 4? I wanna see a video about that
it suddenly became operation delectable
I hope that these scenarios maintain the same quality, or perhaps surpass the Alt history giants in realism and entertainment!
Imagine having fought against the allies and soviets for years just for the allies to show up (Probaly Patton) and go
"Well! Sorry guys! We fought the wrong enemy! How about we show them soviets what for together? :D"
Amazing as ever
Dammm arm chair historian being lit as usual ❤
I think option 2 would have been the most likely, except 1 bomb on each war. If they planned them to hit on the same day, the effect would be much the same. The threat of more landing would have both willing to talk favorable terms to the allies.
This deserves its own series.
I love the new alt history content. Also the videos comparing 1944 American and German squads and stimulating combat between them
This enraged adolfs father who punished him severely.
YO PEAK GOT UPLOADED
Alternate history! :D
Proud to be this early to sit on the armchair
The Armchair Historian’s _What If?_ is quite the competitor for Marvel.
It would be unthinkable for both side
14:07: “Increase speed, drop down and reverse direction!”
"Okay, we need a name for the operation to invade and betray the Soviet Union"
"But sir, we fought together with them for so long now, this plan is unthinkable!"
""Unthinkable", I like it! "
Love the video
Great topic
My reaction to this video, as a german person living in the former Russian-occupied area of Germany:
"Oh god, oh no. Thats gonna leave a lot of double-ruined cities"
1971 indo-pakistan war (Ussr sent nuclear submarines to the US pacific coast)
A what if on Soviet Union stabilizing itself in Afghanistan would be nice, the possibility of War on Terror being avoided would be a good spin.
>Operation Unthinkable
>im thinking about it
Please make a video about the battle for Budapest
would love to have a battlefield game set in a alternate 1945 centered around operation unthinkable.
It will good to see about Operation Downfall in Pacific War.
The Third Scenario was the one predicted in 1984.
dude took a step in cody's territory LMAO
I like this method you’re doing. Can you do more what if videos?
14:17 - 15:37
No, no and no. What do you think the people that inhabited these areas has to say to that? The people from these nations would arise against this terror attack.
To make speculated devastating attacks, you have to hit Mosco or Leningrad or actually strategic places that are only within the USSR and not the areas that were re-captured by USSR.
This is just insane to even think that the already oppressed nations would happily give consent or celebrate to be destroyed.
I wonder what the western area would have a say about that. Most of the allies would likely just disassemble because they don't want to be part of mass-genocide this scale.
Russia then: *conquers Eastern Europe & Germany*
Russia now: Oh No. I CaN'T rEtAkE kUrSk fRoM uKrAiNiAns
When the allies realized who was the real enemy after the war which was communism who do you think had the last laugh in the end?
Ah, yes, Communism is worse than Nazis. If you want to act like a clown, at least wear the appropriate makeup.
@@guerra467 I mean, it is. One killed hundreds of millions of more people and has done much much worse to the world than Nazism ever did.
@@guerra467 Well it is. Communism has killed over 100 million people so you cant change that fact. Seethe and cope commie.
"We fought the wrong enemy"-Geogre S Patton
goerge s patton was a racist
Happy job on 2mil!!!!!!! been here since 1mil.
Make this a series please
This is far too optimistic for the allies. The soviets had a massive superiority in in troops, tanks. artillery and so on.
Not really, by the end point of the war, the Soviets were crippled, exhausted from 4 years of constant fighting and heavy losses, their economy was essentially destroyed, its people of the verge of starvation and it's troops longed to go home, pile on the fact the soviet airforce leaned heavily upon lend leased high-octane fuel, the army also relied on lend leased trucks, boots, rations and materials to make high quality explosives and would be subjected to a strangulation via blockade, I can see Operation Unthinkable succeeding and the Soviet Union actually collapsing.
@@thegrandnope7143 Allies also had total air superiority and were able to hit targets far behind the Soviet lines thus crippling Soviet war effory
I think you understand the ability of the P51D Mustang to dominate the skies over Russia.
Nice vid
🔥
This still remains one of the most unthinkable operations of all time
only a war monger named churchill would come up with it
My favorite alternate history scenario.
I would love to see more what ifs. But no more of those than the real history videos
Bruh they can’t do that to the Soviets 💀
I love that you guys are doing alt-history.
It would take a long time to rebuild French, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, and Belgium's forces to anywhere near the capable of facing an enemy. Let alone the soviet juggernaut of post ww2. Allied tanks were having trouble against german armour, soviet armour had experienced even more rapid improvement over german on the eastern front. The allies had the naval and strategic bombing forces hands down. But would have struggled in a ground war. Yes, the soviets needed material aid in the war especially after having to relocate or scorch their own manufacturing bases. But they were now scourering the conquerored territory for strategic rescources and had established their own manufacturing base well into their own territory. Soviet infantry had more automatic weaponry and had plenty of artillery of all calibres and decent close air support, although the western allies would have been able to severely hamper that. The newer tank designs might have helped, but by may 45 only a couple hundred pershings and a dozen centurion tanks and againts IS2s and 3s.
Umm did alt history hub make you do this?
Uh oh, pivot to alt history
This “what if” questions are a reason why I’ve stopped watching kurzgesagt couple of years ago. They moved away from scientifically proven topics to purely theoretical what ifs and thats very repulsive to watch. Please don’t turn this channel into that.
What if the moon landings actually happened?
You should make a "what if"where the modern day United States invade the Russian Federation, document and predict how such a war would progress and keep in mind the Russian's nukes cant even launch from their firing points so dont include nucleae warfare
Denmark in ww2 Plz
Just wow 😲
the second option was most likely.
One minute team reporting in
Armchair historian doing alt history what a time to alive
Cool to see alt-history from this channel.
Cool
That bastrad Churchill was really a bastrad
Man WW2 is soooo boring nowadays I honestly cant wait for the 3rd one
your gonna regret that i can guarantee
Nothing ever happens chud moment
This gonna be good
Here before the tankie horde arrives
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