Mcintosh Killer at UNDER Half the Price!? The Advance Paris A10 Classic is FIRE!!!
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Cheap audio man! I know you have communications with fosi... I'm not sure if you'd like this idea, but when building a home theater system, what might be nice is having a 3 channel amp like emotiva builds, but from fosi! I think that would be very exciting instead of doing 3 monoblocks or something. Have the receiver do all the surround speakers otherwise.
Btw it the bt20apro fucking pumps for the $$❤❤❤❤❤
The wireless digital input is for a bluetooth module (sold separately because.. bluetooth gets regularly upgraded... and you can then swap it) as an owner of it for the last 2 years.. it's really fantastic ! sounds really nice accurate but stil on the warm side I really love it! (yeah yeah it's taste)
I could not find a single Advance Paris on Ebay.
I got my A10. For anyone wondering, it sounds fantastic with Wharfedale Linton’s.
I have lintons and it's been driving me insane looking for a pairing. How would you describe the sound ?
I have an aversion to excessive treble. So it’s been hard to find an amp I like. The A10 is not harsh. Easy to listen to. It’s not clinical or transparent. But it’s not “tubey” either. Just good non-fatiguing sound signature. Hope that helps. I done looking now that I found the A10. Bought it through Just Audio. Free shipping and great customer service.
@@MrCambo5150 thanks for the reply, that could be perfect for my requirements. Do the vocals roll of nicely ? My ears are super sensitive to bright highs and treble and find anything on the nuetrual side of sound to be very fatiging. Do you have the lintons on stands ? Also do you have any DAC or phono with your set up ?
OK, so this episode is the "Value Audioman." I know that you're going to have people unsubscribe over this one, but as someone that used to subscribe to Audiophile magazine just to drool over every issue I appreciate where you're coming from. Keep up the good work.
Really, are audiophiles that sensitive that if you put one foot wrong, you're done? Yes they are
I was able to hear the The Advance Paris equipment at the Toronto Audiofest and I was very impressed.
Well, I pulled the trigger and have to wait till March, but my order's in and I'm more excited than Ive been in a long time about a new audio purchase like this. Thanks for bringing this bad boy to my attention.
Thanks for introducing the community to this great piece of gear!
Great review Randy! As an owner of both a McIntosh pre and power amp (separates) this sounds very intriguing to me! It looks great and by your estimation sounds great! This looks like it would be right up my alley if I was in the market for a new integrated amplifier. It would be one of the first on my list to check out! Hope you and your family have great New Year!
Beautiful box. Happy to hear it sounds as good as it looks.
This is LOVELY!! I will need to do a little more research, but more than likely, it WILL become part of a second vinyl system for me!! THANK YOU RANDY!!!
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Great review as always Randy! 2500 bucks is alot, but I get it. This thing might be worth it. Take care and keep up the good work cause me and the rest of the world love it❤️🇸🇪
Half the price of McIntosh ?? Wow ! Now I only need to save up for 10 years instead of 20
I listened to their integrated and mono amps at CAF a couple months ago and was pleasantly surprised. Great sound and a great look.
Great video, Randy! Thank you
Great review Randy, sounds like a great product at the right price!❤
Hey Randy
I am now listening to your review through my Advance Paris pre - power combo (x-preamp & xa-160).
They're driving the Monitor Audio Silver 300 7g's. I am very happy with the functionality of the preamp (similar to A10) and of course thw power of the XA160 (160watts per channel)
Pretty good value brand.
And they also have many many products, including monoblock amps etc.
It is nice that you covered European products. We have many of these here in Greece 😅😅
I'm wondering how would you compare the Rotel Ra-1592 Mark 2 to the Paris ~
That amp looks fantastic and it has a sweet mix of retro style and modern features/connectivity. From where I sit, the A10 is a no brainer if one has a 2.5K budget for their amp. I've owned a Yamaha A-S1200 for the last few years. My Yammie is a sweet amp, but I would love to audition one of these. Fortunately I bought my Yammie during COVID and scored it for 1.9K, or I'd really feel bad.
One retro advantage for my A-S, the silver faceplate and yellowish glowing VU meters are the ticket if ya wanna be authentically 70s 😄
I don't know some could argue your Yamaha is a better AMP in terms of quality and longevity/sound. Yea this looks very nostalgic but are you splitting hairs. No offense but not every thing the cheap audio man recommends comes out as better.
@@Ed-sh8jt Ya, I have no interest in parting with my Yamaha, but if this was out when I was buying it would have gotten a very hard look. I scored a great deal on my Yamaha, the full 3K MSRP for it would have been too much if I was aware of this as an option at the time I was buying. My last Yamaha (an A700) lasted me for 35 years, so I doubt I will be in the market for amps again in my lifetime 😆
Room looks great.
Love the Chris Cornell album in the back.
Also the Warthog filmage. 👍
Amp seems a winner too lol.
I bought it. love the meters. love the dad remote. love the power. oh yeah...and it sounds great
Randy, you are Da-Bomb when it comes to unearthing hi-value high-end audio products at a wide range of prices! As compelling as the A10 is, the all-in-ones on the AP website are even more so, which explains why most of this product type are sold out. The next Eversolo with high quality amplification...?
It really is a beautiful amp. Advance Paris is a renowned French company. All their products have this special look. BTW, it is currently on sale in Germany for 1500 Euros, including taxes.
Do you have a link
@@BoRerunn the last time I checked it was offered at Hifi Schluderbacher
@@etron1967 I found it on Amazon Germany but can't buy it or ship it
@@BoRerunnOnline sales will ship in olny France.. that is what their website said.
As tubes burn-in they generally warm over time, which is why many like tube amplication.
Report back after using it a few months
loved the episode 6 reference, caught it right as i noticed the helmet...this is the way
I saw this gear at Capital and it sounded great. It looks awesome too, in my opinion
Great review!
How did it sound with the Lintons? Thank you dor the content!
Wow. Finally a company gets it. And thank you for this video.
Heard this amp at CAF. Was a very nice addition (wish I could remember the speakers they were hooked to because it sounded fantastic)
It was the PMC transmission line loudspeakers. Fantastic combo- very engaging and smooth sounding
Current definitely brings speakers to life.. NAD / Hafler / HK were always big on high current. Good looking integrated in the video.
I using advance paris preamp and monoblocks…
Sounds great
Best value for money
Loved the video…first thing I thought myself was Randy cleaned up his office and it must’ve made a difference because your positive attitude was through the roof….😊
It has really put me in a better mood
Greetings from rainy Scotland Cheapaudioman. Loving your channel.
I have a couple of questions, much obliged in advance.... I'm about to pull the trigger on the A10, it's £2000 in the UK so more or less $2500. I usually listen in very low light, so the question is do all the front lights, including the white around the volume control, on/off button etc, dim or just the VU meters and valves?
You get the amp for a general average of 1500€ here in Germany. If you look around you might reach a grand . For that price it looks cool and sounds great
Be sure to pick up your amp in Paducah! Easy hop from Paris via I-57 and also accessible by riverboat. Great downtown riverfront scene. And the food!!!
Hey randy i got a question. If a int amp such as this doesnt have a low pass filter to subs how could i integrate one correctly. Not use the sub outs on the advance Paris and use the Bluesound node or another source with low pass out of that instead?
So should i be shopping for a source with a low pass? Is it worth it? Or just integrate a sub how it is? thanks. Tyler
I am actually taking delivery of a McIntosh MA5300 today. Bias would never let me like the A10 as much as the amp I have wanted for decades.
Me to.
@@Harrisongrey19, trash?? Ha ha ha, you have no idea what you are talking about, come down to earth and listen to this amplifier - it is absolutely outstanding! If you can't hear it, you're not an audiophile, just a wannabe, period!
The MA-5300 is a direct coupled design amplifier from McIntosh. It doesn't have the autoformers like a traditional McIntosh amplifier. I owned the predecessor, the MA-5200 for a short while. To my ears, it lacked fullness that my Cambride Audio CXA-80 at the time featured. I ended up selling the MA-5200 within a few months of purchase. Since that time, I've only used autoformer-based amps from McIntosh - 4 total to be exact. I've appreciated the flexibility in selecting my own pre-amp to pair with the McIntosh power amplifier. The down-sides? The autoformer-based McIntosh amplifiers can weight 90 - 130 Lbs., or more. Once you get them in place, you don't tend to move them very often.
@@4arocker I would have bought separates if I could, and may at some point in the future. For me, this was a giant step up from my Yamaha AS801, which originally cost about the same as the sales tax on the MA5300. I am happy with it right now.
@@mrk8212 - Quite a few of us have been in audio for a long time. When it came to the McIntosh power amps, I've bought used each time. They last. One can get a used McIntosh power amplifier with autoformers for the $3,000 - $4,000 range. Just use a cheaper pre-amplifier in the begging until you can afford the preamplifier that you want. This ensures you can buy your way into some great gear. Even some DACs in the under-$500 range feature preamplifier capabilities.
I’m always looking for that 70’s warmth with modern clarity, seems like a winner! Thanks
Does it have a loudness button, or is that the sound you heard
I love the idea of this amplier, I like it's power rating, but will it hold up over time? I think those push switches are gonna break, I need actual manual swiches for each function & control of volume.
I want to upgrade mine desktop/listening room dac/amp. Is Advance Paris A10 good candidate? Got a great deal on A10 Classic ( $1500), I use a LG C3 as desktop monitor so hdmi arc/audio in is verry useful.
I have the top model preamp by Advance Paris x-p1200. As a preamp it is good or at least i have nothing to compare it with. But as a DAC.....no, no, no, it is far below even the average level DACs. I don't recommend it.
I bought the A12, it's very good in all aspects. Wonderful!
I have this amp and it's fantastic. Looks great sounds great. Loads of inputs plus HDMI ARC
Have you been tempted to go for a separate DAC as an upgrade? The DAC in the A10 is over ten years old…
I am running balanced in from a media player so not tested the DAC.@@Kerwonderful
@@chrissinclair3136 ah ok, thanks for the reply. Glad you like the amp. It looks absolutely killer to me.
Advance Paris is some Awesome Stuff
I wish you would have compared the internal DAC to the SU-1 which I know lies within a totally different price category but nonetheless
I just picked up this amp and I love it. You mentioned the loudness switch. I don’t really see a big difference whether it’s on or off compared to past units. I was also curious how this amp would sound with klipsch forte 4’s.
Wow! This amp has really peaked my interest. All I can wish for now is that some of the
other audio reviewers that I "trust" could get their hands on one of these beauties and offer
their take. Yes, it does have a look... agreed. I'd be really interested in the inner construction
but that's me... most will not care. I've always loved the Yamaha's whereby speakers can be
A, B, or AB. This amp (according to their website) offers just that. (Nice!!). They also offer a
model down (cheaper) that also looks pretty. Gonna be watching for more reviews.
Thank you ... most intriguing review in a long long time.
. The interior pictures come up easily with a google image search. I LQQKed and maybe you'll reply back with the same observation I made abut this Advance Paris A10 Classic.
Thanks, had a look. Inner construction looks busy and a bit odd. Now, I am not an electrical engineer
so keep that in mind. The toroid transformer is mounted on its side - never seen that before and it is awfully close to one of the heat sinks. Other than that it is really hard to determine what quality capacitors etc
that they use. I do not like the inner layout on this amp but the A12 is another story - looks much better but again, I'd like a real engineer to look at these amps. Yes, the view meters are a nice touch but in no way give
better sound or indicate quality construction. Now, if you want to talk about quality construction take a look at the 2 Kinki integrated(s) or ANY Hegel. Did I mention Schiit?? Now, they make some very good audio
"stuff" at very good price points.
@@TriAmpHiFi
@@charlesclifton1006
. Well, you certainly did your homework. Usually what we want to see in a classic Type A/B amplifier is that big copper doughnut and beer can sized filter capacitors. Old school. For an extreme comparison, DuckDuckGo search a "Bryston 28B³ Mono Block Power Amp".
In the picture of the Advance Paris A10 Classic, there seems to be missing those terrific "caps". Their importance comes into play, for example, in repetitive
rhythmic low frequency beats. Every time that kick drum hits, there is a higher power demand than for, let's say cymbals. It's those caps that give us a bank of instantaneous reserve, which moves woofers.
I'm no EE either, so perhaps there is a topology at work here I don't recognize but since we are hobbyists, it's worth noting. Perhaps someone else could chime in and tell us why this Advance Paris A10 Classic has been "Decapitated".
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happy owner of a Classic 10 since 2021… I am really happy with it… using it with a wiim pro plus and Qobuz…. couple goal
Can wiim power on a10 via 12V trigger?
I need your advice please. I just purchased a Project carbon debut evo, I need some recommendations on what pre amp and speakers I should go with? Cheap and mid range for the money. Please respond, thank you
How much do you want to spend on each? That is the first thing and then go from there.
@@spaminatord no more than $350 speakers and $400 for pre amp
@blakestuart4748 you could get an ifi zen phono. I have one and they have excellent reviews for the preamp. For speakers I would go back through some of cheap audio man's reviews. Sometimes you can get ridiculous deals. For example, emotiva bookshelves, Jamon, klipsch. There are many under that. With the ifi zen phono it is 199. So you could take 100 or 200 from there and add to your speaker budget. You can def have a killer system for that price range
Enjoyed the review, but you finished with ‘maybe it’s all in my head’. Maybe tongue in cheek I know, but it’s havin that thought which often stops me from upgrading further. (I run Kef ls50 metas from a Cyrus One amp.)
Quick Q: if you’re using an external dac, does that mean your signal is going through two dacs?
No to your question. You put the external DAC output to an analog input on the amp.
Cleaned up office, new year and is that a new Submariner? Looks great
That’s a nice looking amp! I have a McIntosh MC7300. It came out about 1991. I got it in 2012 restored for $2000. The main advantage of a Mac is that you can still get parts for them, and they pretty much last forever, and they keep going up in value. I probably can’t afford a Mac today, so if I didn’t already have one, I would probably get one of those that you just reviewed. Will you be able to get parts for it 30 years from now? I doubt it, but I’ll be dead by then.
Very awesome, very! Price not too outta control at all. They should go for the home run and sell this thing with JUST the power amp section, charge half the price ; )
Excellent review
I love the analog meters.
I got an old 1991 Kenwood amp this week, love the A-B switch for comparing speakers.
is there a control/switch on VU meters from Power level to line level?
So you mentioned the large knob on the front, and I would have assumed it was for volume. Is this a multi-function knob, and can the volume be controlled by this knob? Or can volume only be controlled via the remote? Also, would you consider the DAC to be better than what's offered in the new Marantz CD 60 CD player? From what I've heard, the A-10 uses a Sabre DAC, though I'm not sure which one. Shame about the low quality phono stage, as from what I can see, it's for moving magnet, and probably only accepts high output moving coil cartridges. I have a Gold Note PS 10 phono stage, so I will no doubt be using it.
Yeah I was wondering that too when he mentioned the large knob where's the volume knob I would think he would have mentioned that?
@@Rocket9944I've ordered one, and I live in Canada. Apparently Advance Paris are supposed to have these restocked by late March sometime. Can't wait! I spoke with my dealer, and he says he's quite confident the large knob is a multi-function that also controls volume. I was thinking of getting the Advance Paris Connect 250, but it has all the bells and whistles, including a built in CD player (of which I already own two), a DAC, and streaming capability. These are things I don't really need, and at nearly double the price, I think I will be very happy with the A-10.
Great video on a unique product. I had no idea it existed. What is the consensus of the brand Advance Paris?
This has caught my fancy. I was leaning toward shopping for Mcintosh used on Ebay and finding a MA5300 or MAC6700/7200 and spending way to much money until I saw this. I need your kind recommendation on to pull the trigger on this or not? The reviews have been stellar but no one has actually put the MAC side by side and compared them. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Also if I decide to buy. Is Audio Solutions in Indianapolis a reputable dealer?
Forgot to add that this would be pushing my Klipshchorns with Volti upgrades
A very interesting and affordable integrated / at the price, not out of range at all. And to be able to switch to class A bias? An amazing product! Definitely looking at the website and just may buy it.
I do home theater exclusively so I plan to buy a 7ch amp (OSD or Outlaw) that does 130wpc all channels driven.
They both are less than half the price of this featured amplifier.
Cool story.
I recently bought the Avance Paris A 10 Classic and to make it complete the x9 cd planet with tubes in the end stage Sounds great with my Infinity Kappa Renaissance Classic 90 and the Infinity Kappa 7 3 way. Nice detailed sound stage wich is huge. I already am addicted to it. Also nice with the Eversolo DMP 6 dac I hooked on.
I have the A10 with the Q Acoustic Concept 50 a really great set
Where is it made? It looks fantastic!
There's a great channel called Alpha Audio and they have recorded, very long session comparing the A10 to other amps around the same price. Also the A12, which is the one I ended up buying and no regrets. It really is something else, they do have some great products.
I used to own an advance acoustic (the old brand name of advance Paris) maa405. Loved it for its sound quality but it was always humming. Not on the channels but the massive power transformer. Listening at very low levels wasn’t much pleasure. Normal and high levels was pure pleasure. And that is the difference to a McIntosh. You get what you pay for. Never experienced humming on a Mc. I also had the chance to listen to this bad boy here. It’s better than what I used to own, it’s really cool looking and I enjoyed listening to it and watched the uv meters with a big smile on my face. You get something awesome here but it just looks a little like a McIntosh. It isn’t one. A Mc is a Mc. But the A10 is still worth every penny.
By the way… in Europe that thing is sold way cheaper… a price around 1.7k is not unusual. Plus shipping it should be still a bargain for you guys in the US. 😅
you forgot to say.... Was A10 humming too at low volume?
@@michelerallo9982 I heard it at the shop. There was noise around anyway. There was some noticeable humming. Way less than with the MA but it was there. I would say in a quiet private environment it might pop up at an acceptable level. Not sure but it’s my guess.
Is the black front faceplate metal or plastic?
Thanks for your review. It would be nice if you had some benchmark data. Unfortunately some fancy vernacular doesn’t replace technical analysis!
I have read up on this amplifier and they said when it is played loud it does looses its nice sound.
That is nice!
Thanks!
Welcome! You’re the best!!!
Adcom just released a preamp-amp bundle for just over $2500, offering 200 W/ch of class AB power into 8 ohms. It should compete head to head with the Advance Paris A-10.
My 1988 Adcom amp and receiver are still sounding amazing. Just got a new Technics SL-1210GR and it sounds great!
Nice! It has a large toroidal transformer, and it uses two JJ brand ECC81 tubes. Pretty substantial heat sinks, as you would expect. Internal DAC is an AK4490 chip according to a print review?
. Hi Neil. It appears as though there is nearly nothing in capacitance though. A unique design maybe but they claim class A/B.
@@TriAmpHiFi you're right - the caps that seem to be in the power supply section are fairly slim, and there aren't very many of them. Randy mentioned a Class A bias switch on the back?
@@NeilBlanchard
. Interesting 🤯
So i did a little quick research, and for$2500, i think I'll stick with my Yamaha AS1200. Looked at some photos of the internals and immediately noticed the lack of power capacitors. Weight is a measly 32 lbs, vs Yamaha's 48.5 lbs. This leads me to believe, although it may sound good, it is cheaply made and using parts that shouldn't be used in a unit for this price range. I feel there selling point on this will be the VU meters and tube preamp stage. 😢 i was so excited, but I'm glad i researched this and i think I'll keep shopping for a second system. But thanks for your review Randy.
Yamaha is analogue only, this has a DAC.
@@jgolig The comparison should be against the Yamaha N-R2000A
LOL! That opening! I get it that this is a review comparing to a McIntosh because that's what it resembles, but the HDMI Arc input makes this a 2.1 channel A/V receiver, and in that case have a look at the new Marantz Stereo 70s which John Darko just reviewed. I think it's $1200 US, but it is a seriously compelling contenter.
If I buy one of these, and I don't like it, can I send it back? I'm old school. I have two stereo systems and each one is powered by an Adcom GFA-555. They are 200 watts per channel. Are those junk now? Just askin for an honest opinion.
After looking at their site, I’m more interested in the X-A160 EVO power amp at 2k. Has the same Class A Bias ability. Already invested in separates, now if I could only go listen to one.
When they’re gonna put that many inputs why can’t they do a second phono stage?
The new space looks dope! This amp could use some room correction smarts, imo. The competition is fierce in this price point.
If it sounds good then it doesn't matter
@allwayzactive4599 No matter how good the amp sounds, it's the room that makes or breaks it. Many products in this price range have Dirac or something similar to help compensate for the room, and this doesn't.
When a company sends you something like this, do you have to send it back?
AHH it has tubes a now go for me. Went that route years ago and didn't really care for it. It's a beautiful unit I will say.
I visited AP's website and they make two integrated without the tube preamp stage (one with the meters and the other without).
I'm curious, and maybe you can answer this for me. If the A-10 has blue Vu meters, how come your thumbnail depicts white VU meters? From what I understand, only blue VU meters are available with the A10.
There are no short cuts for quality equipment. You get what you pay for generally. You just need to know what it is you want.
1750$ here in Sweden, might be an even better bargain!
Compere this amp to Vincent?
Don’t need or want a cheap DAC incorporated to any amp
Source is King in resolution so a stand alone reference DAC with a Fosi integrated with sub out will stomp it 🎉😊🎶
I love what you do. Thank you for pointing me at the Wiim Mini. Have been running it with an Allo Shanti power source (built nearby in Bangalore, India) last 18 months. Am always thrilled to bits with your suggestion.
Advance Paris A10 Classic
Preis CHF 1'613.00 in Switzerland
Thanks for the video!
A few other brands come to mind for possible comparisons in this price range: Vincent, Parasound , and Belles.
I think you just sold a bunch of these. I'll definitely be looking up more info on it. It's gorgeous and has all the features and connections I'm looking for.
Finally one of the few that can run in Class A while some Arcam amps are only up to about 8 Watts in Class A as well as the Aegir and maybe some Rega amps because the hotter it gets the better it sounds and has plenty of power for normal listening. The synergy will sometimes be a bit more depending on not easy to drive speakers though. Reliability is a concern though, this is not the biggest name.
I have some emotiva gear that’s pretty powerful. I love my setup Bobby
I saw your review while looking for an amp. I was at that point looking into the Choko Emei and the Unison Research Unico Primo. After seeing your review I decided to buy the Advance Paris A10 blind (no possibility to listen to it). I got it from Amazon Germany for 1524 euro (under 1500 dollars). I am absolutely blown away by this amp. Huge improvement over my Rotel, which I always thought was a very good and reliable amp. Huge soundstage, great improvement in the bass, much easier on the ears (far less listening fatigue), sweet midrange and highs, excellent instrument separation. One thing I noticed, as well, is that it made me want to listen to and enjoy CDs after a very long time (I was listening almost exclusively to vinyl before). This thing SINGS (running it on high bias mode), and it has a ton more connectivity than the other two amps I was considering, and a ton of power for my KEF LS 50s. So, thank you very much. I have never bought a component based on a single review before this, but this little monster deserves very high praise. And Advance Paris owes you😊
Which Rotel model did you have?
Rotel RA1062 @@pedroaraujo6300
Make a review of the emotiva xpa Dr series,i didn't find much reviews about that
This or Decware's integrated amp?
..ya great looking amp. I was also thinking about to add it to avr with pre-out for better stereo (+2 main chanels), my dealer told me, that they have many returnings of this, doesn't last to long, so?! But I still like it, THX for any feedback of the owners if I can ask🙏 Maby dealer just prefer others amps., I dont know😅 great video👍also funny😂
cuold you elaborate on Lintons with this beast pls
I own a A10 Classic. I ve been listening this amp for 2 years with jbl l100 Classic. Great great Amp. Warm sound for sure, and can easily drive lot of speakers. Very beautiful too. But please, mcintosh is on another level. Go listen both. You will understand what i said. For the money anyway i personally raccomand it
He does compare it to his own Macintosh. I love Mac but they are amongst the many that stopped delivering value for money
Hey Randy, Thank you for posting.
What's it worth as a used piece of gear?