Commando really is my favorite survivor at the moment. I know his playstyle is just pew-pew, but that's all he needs. He's one of those survivors where it really feels like you have to _work_ for that good run, you know? He also teaches you a lot about good item management. The new DLC actually made his runs more consistent.
@@nobleradical2158 That's the exact opposite of how it is. Commando works with comparatively few builds compared to other survivors, that's why he requires careful item management. But if you manage your items well you can use cauldrons and printers to get a good build that he excels with
Personally I’d say mercenary underrated for eclipse and looping because slicing winds is way better than people think. Yeah you’re losing the s, but you’re getting a ranged ability that procs 8 times at a 1.0 coefficient. Maybe I’m crazy but I think it’s pretty darn good.
Engineer actually can cheese the mithrix fight by placing his turrets outside the arena, in most cases Mithrix will aggro on them but won't be able to hit them, giving you a free win.
@@b4ngfargl333 nah, voidling has mostly ranged attacks, some of which have a lot of tracking. And from my experiences, his arenas don't have much in the way of spots you can put a turret where it can hit and voidling can't hit back. Maybe one exists, but i have no idea where.
@@nogetmaerkeligt1st153 yeah I've a sneaking suspicion that a lot of people play the game as commando, unlock the rest and don't go back after learning a ton more about the game and mess up their previous bad runs and lack of knowledge with commando. (I did this at least for sure. Went back and quickly became such a fun character.)
big agree, few characters feel better than how it feels to slip and slide around on Commando even if he isn't top tier damage (and he still has solid proc coefficient so it doesn't take much to get the damage)
Nah, you right. I used to think he kinda sucked but when I started playing him to 100% the game I realised that after I figured out how to play with him, he was pretty fun. Weak in comparison, but fun still.
he is a very simple survivor so the people who like that kind of gameplay will gravitate toward him. nothing wrong with that. but u should lower the crayon consumption m8 ur family is worried
As a Bandit main myself, he is 100% the most satisfying survivor in the game imo. Theres nothing more fun than flying around one shotting everything with Desperado by stage 3 lmao
I know, I know but... unironically merc gets a pretty substantial dps increase when you use all the different animation canceling and tech he has. Can literally reliably instakill floating bosses like AWU. Aside from that, totally fair list cool vid
He is theoretically strong, but also plays the most different from everything else that anyone not specifically interested in the playstyle will probably never learn to play him that well. Getting the achievements for him was such a painful experience to me I actually uninstalled the game for several months, and succeeding to do a monsoon run I actually managed because I got the wisp boss item so I didnt need to use his abilities. I know the numbers mean he's strong but he will always be the only F tier survivor to me. At least commando is just boring o.O
@@InsaneToats ok definitely not true, but that's a discussion for another time 😅 Pretty much all his skills have valid use-cases, tbh I typically take slicing winds now
I started playing Commando recently because I wanted to stack Hella bleeds on things and I don't think he's as bad as I used to now. But holy fuck you're literally at the mercy of the RNGods if you don't get insane items you slowly get outscaled and it FeelsBadMan
@@mkman1 double rebar is fun, but you get burned out by like 5 runs imo, because you literally JUST hold R and M1 at the same time, for the whole run. I've yet to unlock his alt special for some double nailgun shenanigans, it looks fun tho. He's also the slowest survivor (i think) and you can't stop during his shift, so it can feel clunky, but also sometimes fun driving around for a bit.
@@plasmodius9449 yeah that is why I play him, when I just dont want to think and hopefully watch bleed stacks go up crazy high. I should try a double rebar run again, just that as you say, holding R down and m1 is strong but annoying. Once you get some attac speed rebar becomes absolutely nutty though.
I love merc because his base mobility doesnt make me want to cry so he's really fun, how good each character is doesn't really matter too much considering ror2 is just a game of surviving until you get enough items to carry you, the only thing that changes is how many items your character needs to function very well which is why the dlc characters are so good since they need very little.
Merc Main here. I agree with a lot of your sentiments, especially the Commando parts lol, but I feel one thing worth noting is that Merc is one of the least RNG-dependent survivors for killing Mithrix. Sure his damage isn’t great as the run progresses and he takes time to learn, but you can reliably rush TPs and get to the Mithrix fight with more consistency then any other survivor bc of s and low cooldowns.
Merc artificer loader and railgunner are all in the kill mithrix specialist group. All of them excel at just gunning it for mithrix and taking him down with relative ease ie skipping pillars and making the boss fight a joke.
also some of the items go from good to awesome such as the explosion boss item (forgot what its called) and dio's. or the void egg that summons voidlings.
Loader, Acrid, and Merc should be way higher IMO. For most video games mobility and range > everything else. This also applies to RoR2. Mobility and range can just compeltely prevent death and make you faster at clearing stages. I'm like 90% sure that the mobility on those characters is more impactful on stage clear time than Capitan's hack. Acrid's range and mobility prevents him from ever having to actually fight anything. Loader is fast and tanky; she is hard to one-shot and only has to be in for a few seconds to do dmg. Mercenary can just be invulnerable 24/7 completely preventing death. Alternativley, you can run slicing winds and have one of the best ranged abilities in the game.
Most fun for me is Huntress/Railgunner/Artificier. Huntress for her incredible mobility compared to other classes. Railgunner makes the fun builds even better and actually rewards your skill (fast aim). And lastly Artificier, my favorite, for how it's gameplay is totally different from other classes, she abandons ground movement in all it's forms due to casting time on spells and knockback, it's objectively better and easier to just fly all the time, has kit that is basically made for duplication and spamming in succession instead of shooting/ occasionally using abilities, like other classes. And has a certain skill cap, some abilities have a very close range, but are rewarding and positioning is very important (ice walls, stacking them).
Ice walls are *not* close range. In fact, they are the longest range ability she has. They instantly appear on any horizontal surface you have LoS on. And that's real handy
artificer is fun imo because 1. ENV suit. Even without surge, just a little bit of vertical mobility like a feather or two and you don't need to touch the ground much 2. You spend a lot of time sprinting, meaning you just generally get to move around fast and play somewhat like how an agile survivor would 3. All of her abilities are viable imo. Fire bolt has better damage on tanky targets while plasma bolt is easier to aim while flying high, ice spear can be used better against flying enemies and tanky targets while nano bomb can clear swaths of ground based enemies and is easier to aim while flying high, flamethrower trades off a get out of jail free card and reliable pillar skipping + earlier access to mobility for great damage making it a difficult decision imo. As you may or may not have been able to tell from this or from your own experiences, the ion themed stuff goes well together and the fire/ice themed stuff goes well together.
You just gained a sub lol. That explanation of mobility, damage, and healing was great, and the fact that you read the survivors out loud for anyone listening to audio is so useful for me who has videos on while playing lol
I started playing commando a LOT after survivors of the void dropped… he’s now my absolute favorite survivor in the game, and it’s not even close. He feels so good to play imo. I can’t even remember the last time I lost a run on him, even in eclipse. I feel like a lot of the new items helped out commando a lot more than some of the other survivors.
@@deeznuttes9340 I think you can definitely make a case that artificer is worse, and Rex is definitely worse in eclipse runs. And besides that, him being the worst doesn’t change the fact that he *feels* immaculate to play.
RND: To be good, a survivor needs damage, mobility and healing. Also RND: Engi, a survivor who does not have 2 out of 3, is the best non-dlc survivor. ME: Sad plant noises for rex in this ranking, especially if you're talking about consistency. Not to mention the fact imo he is the single greatest survivor to take broken glass on, because you're not really losing anything anyway. bears > safer spaces for him, which feels kinda bad, but eh. Also me: 100% agree on rex being the worst in eclipse. That seemed just specifically made to not work for him >.>
Alright ill take the bait, you ARE playing mercenary wrong. Id rank mercenary as one of the few survivors that can excel without good items. Something a lot of people dont know, is that blinding dash makes you invulnerable even while chaining it. So a Merc can Dash>Dash>Evis>Dash and be completely safe. Meaning he can attack high priority enemies and escape without a scratch. Oh Did i mention there is a bug with merc/loader where any flying enemy, bosses included can be instantly killed if they fly into a wall. Mercs blinding dash can occasionally push even the allow worship unit, killing it instantly. I also use rising thunder to do high damage with bands and crowbar, Dash in> RisingT to apply bands/crowbar> dash straight down> Evis to stack on hits> and dash back out. Dont forget that blinding assault can stun enemies, so u can find a solo target, or stun a group, and get 2-3 free Rising thunders before they can react. Which gives you ample time to re-stun or run away. Its also a crazy good damage dealer that synergizes with itself, With enough Mags u can send most enemies straight to heaven, and with attack speed u can spam it so fast it can kill most heavy's before they can attack. Bezerkers pauldron is a must on on mercenary, and he has a clever way of getting it. it takes basically 2-3 Dashes to drop most small enemies, and lining up enemies to hit all of them makes it super easy. Not even taking on death items into account. And once he has bezerkers his basic attack passive lets him spam abilities way more often by resetting his cooldowns even faster. Another god tier green item is bandolier. Most survivors, cant go get the bandolier drop since it puts them in danger, and the risk outweighs the reward. Merc can use every 2 dashes>Evis and dash towards the bandolier to instantly reset his abilities, Late game Merc becomes an untouchable god, Blinding dash is deceptively strong crowd clearing move, with enough on hit/on death items u can kill bosses just from focusing down small enemies, which in turn drop bandoliers and boost damage, all cascading massive untouchable damage. On the topic of early game, his passive lets him out dps 75% of the survivors by letting him spam his abilities, and his passive can be applied to groups of enemies meaning he could get it all back in a single swing. There i said it, you are playing him wrong im sorry, please dont attack my family.
Tbh he did say that you're dumb if you only say he's wrong, I'd say you did a good job proving you are a merc main and give a bunch of reasons. Will literally any non-merc-main agree? Probably not, but you certainly exceeded "sword good, rnd bad" xD
We have a master gamer here boys. Who never die to malachite and other area dmg debuff effect; and never thought/realized he's being skill check / reaction check to it a tons lots more often by being closely around them all the time; and will always have ben's raincoat every game.
@Rill Focused assault, and slicing winds are a great meme build, its kinda like playing commando on steroids. On one hand two wisps is enough to make you fear for your life, but on the other u can kill god.
I know we give Commando a lot of gaffs - and rightfully so - but I don't think he's quite... bad... He's just underwhelming when you compare him to literally every other class in the game.
I mean it kinda makes sense that hes underwhelming since hes kinda the default character. Hes likely the survivor most people play first, so it makes sense to have basic abilities to ease people into the game, rather than the more complicated abilities of other survivors.
I'm a commando enjoyer admittedly. Yes he is very vanilla, but what I find fun about that is that instead of trying to find items that compliment him early on, I just take whatever and then try and find items that compliment the items I got early on and this leads to runs that feel very different each time compared to the other survivors imo. I think it's fair to say he sucks though, not gonna argue that.
yeah, you get outscaled almost no matter what you do. Zooming around with the slide is very fun and so is having three various ways to shoot someone in the face that I get to rotate between.
Really insignificant and not important to the topic, but that smallest detail of reading out the tierlist for people listening to audio only at 2:07 me smile lol, I have never seen any youtuber do that once. Sorry for rambling this much about it, but that's the smallest detail ever that made me happy for some reason.
lmao just finished grinding eclipse 8 on commando then you released this, I really think his utility is underrated. Truly hard to take damage if you're using it off cooldown
The joke about Artificers alt is why i use it over the flamethrower, I'd rather have that get out of jail free card if need be rather than a flamethrower that isnt that great in late game unless im able to find void corrupt battery cells or the gas tank
Mercenary is so fun, especially on wandering jellyfish bosses. Chaining your shift ability to get on top, and using your when he uses his aoe, it just looks so cool. But bandit is starting to catch up to him, bandit is hella fun
Can confirm as a fellow bandit, he is fun. First character I ever beat monsoon on, very reliably can rip apart beetle queens and stone titans. Wandering Vagrants suck tho, like where tf is their back?!
Merc is my absolute favorite survivor cause like yeah he ain't the best, but damn is he fun and engaging to play. The feeling of slicing through enemies while just barely having your cooldowns recharge in time to save your ass is just so exhilarating for me
“These characters are the best, because I like them and refuse to learn others” bruh at least Woolley doesn’t straight up lie in his tier lists. Engi has NO movement and NO healing “but bungus.” What about loaders highest mobility in game along with extremely high damage? Not to mention her barrier for defense which admittedly isn’t healing but like come on bro Rex has all three stats you talk about but he isn’t good I guess although captain is who also doesn’t have healing OR mobility. Why did you make a big deal about healing, mobility, and damage and then not show information to even back it up other then void boy?
Here is a cool little idea, maybe do some runs with those survivors you say you "can't think of a way to make them work" instead of just guessing, like why make a video about personal opinion that was formedwithout experience
That’s great but did you take into account he has absolute boatloads of experience and that his opinions are justified with i would say days of experience on each survivor making his opinions justifiable but also are you aware that these are his opinions so if you disagree you disagree and you don’t need to give him hate for what he stated is an opinion.
Commando has okay consistentcy. I think i see myself falling back to him whenever im having bad runs that day. Its just a such a simple basic kit that makes him so comfortable to play. Will say that the pain i feel when dont pick up a focus crystal, wax quail, or ukelele by stage 3 is astronomical.
Artificer is in dire need of a rework/redesign. M1 is just awful to use due to its gimmicky recharges and low damage M2 shouldn't be cast after charging to max Shift is fine, although its placement-system is terrible. I'd suggest making it as a projectile with expanding freeze-AOE on hit. That way you can at least hit fliers. The M2 frosty spear sacrifices too much of arti power, to consider using. R - flamethrower is total sh. It adds alot of damage, but it's worthless without mobility. The R-jump is nice mobility passive - 'floating' makes artificer too slow, which wasn't big deal before, but with new flying mobs this is a death sentence. I kinda like playing arti, but why would i ever, if Loader does exactly the same stuff (big combo hits) but so, so SO much better and safer? Acrid is my 'es numeros uno' favourite survivor. His mobility is great and i love DoT in general.. But yeah both poison and blight are too weak to carry him. It's more like a bonus damage. Would be nice if he had some buffs to it. Also acrid bite (m2) and other type of leap is just awful and shouldn't be used. My biggest problem with Rex is its shift inconsistency. It uses physics to push mobs away, the closer mobs are, the stronger the push. Sounds great on paper, but overall because of it it has "3 pushing modes": enemy on top of rex = strong push, enemy close = weak push, enemy still in cone but far = no push at all. It's just too inconsistent to be reliable. Commando shows that hopoo doesn't care about "balancing" all that much. His M2 piercing shot always was and still is terrible, just awful. And.. devs didn't bother to ever adress it. How did they "fix" it? By just giving him a much better M2. That was the fix to terrible ability, ignore it and make a MUCH better one to pick. I don't care if commando is "starting" survivor. He should be just as viable as rest.
Huntress main here, I feel as if huntress is always a hit or miss, vertical movement isn’t normally an issue since I play with the normal blink rather than phase blink. I personally feel as if where huntress truly shines is multiplayer. I run around a ~70% win rate on Huntress, and nearly every time it has been on multiplayer, she scales incredibly well with survivors like engineer, where the turrets allow for more distractions for the enemy, drawing agro away from her, which she needs, as she is incredibly squishy like you stated. If you loop as huntress, I nearly always get the most damage out of my party members purely because huntress triple shot with near full/full crit is easily one of the most broken survivors in the game. Unfortunately, most items are quite poor on her, so I would personally put her at the bottom/near bottom of A tier for looping, especially if you go to AoC if you’re looping.
I would maybe bump merc up to bottom of A tier (assuming you know the exposed transfer tech) but other than that good list. And yes I know I'm immediately proving your point about merc mains, shut up.
@@griffvideoman i'm a whirlwind guy. As for the tech, rill explained it very well, but it's worth noting that if you use merc's alternate utility with it you can have almost permanent uptime due to the way the ability works. I might upload a video later to show off how it works.
So many Commando enjoyers here like geez. I personally don't like him cuz his kit is pretty boring but that's just how I feel. Bandit and Railgunner main here. And it's not cuz they have good damage scaling it's simply because I like their play style and design. Very cool.
Merc for me is all about the ranged playstyle and the techs like the triple exposed tech where you r with slicing winds get to your third m1 and dash as your m1 goes off, you get 3 sequential exposed procs and with more than 3 enemies you get essentially 0 CD on your skills
i just realized the new glasses is a hidden buff for bandit, the crit passive always becomes useless within one loop but the removal of easy 100% crit increases its value
As a commando main I agree with your placement for him on the eclipse tierlist [eclipse to hard :(] but I'd argue that he's actually quite good at looping. Early game he does low damage with his primary fire but the low cooldown on both his secondaries means he can either burst down golems or insta kill wisps. plus his barrage inflicts stun so he can stall and avoid damage well. He also has a very strong trait on his movement ability being that he can attack while sliding allowing him to maintain speed and dps. (also 1.0 proc coefficient go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
Engineer carried me to my first few successful runs. Was using the mobile turret variant, and the things literally backwalked away from Mythrix and just bullied the guy. That was hilarious to watch.
It is honestly criminal how much you underrate commando so much. He's not anywhere near that bad. He isn't the best survivor but he's honestly one of my top 3 and is super fun for me so I completely disagree but I don't play eclipse so idk there
I adore pure melee acrid, good damage w the bite, the healing from m1 and m2, and the geeling of just beginning a sprint and flinging yourself on any airborne enemies it's just -chefs kiss- weird thing tho I thought he was a horse at first, idk why I think he kinda sounds like one when he jumps
I love playing E8 and I think your eclipse tier list is pretty good, but I do think you’re underrating commando. His M1 is (arguably) the best in the game Like you mentioned, commando has damage and mobility. He’s missing healing but healing doesn’t really matter on E8 because damage is permanent anyways, it’s much more about playing careful and not getting hit, which commando is good at. Also totally go ranged build on merc
As someone who likes rex, when Eclipse came around, you have no idea how much it hurt to read the later effects because its just WHY. Why completely fillet one of your survivors like a fish to be conpletely irrelevant. It hurts so much, Rex easily belongs in C tier for elcipse 8 runs.
if you summon it on yourself and stand in the exact center, when it hits you get launched SUPER high into the air. NEED to be in 1-shot protection range to pull it off though
Gonna be the odd one out here and defend REX. The main criteria here for "good survivor" are mobility, damage, and healing, and REX is competent with all three (plus an AWU instakill). They have a high-damaging secondary _and_ a damage-amplifying debuff built into their primary; they have two powerful healing abilities by default (three if you count their alt utility); and the utility's aerial knockback provides exceptional potential for vertical mobility, which takes very few movement items to reach absurd distances (sprint during startup for best results). REX does exist without OSP, but more often than not, that ends up being the default anyway, not to mention the abundance of enemies who can completely bypass that protection. As for Eclipse 8, yes the self-damage counts for permadamage, but that still gets offset by how REX's health consumption works: it scales off of current health, not maximum health, so the permadamage becomes less of an issue the lower your health already is. just use tougher times smh
As far as commando goes, I find he works REALLY well early game (at least it bumps his damage by a lot for when it’s needed) if you can get an essence of heresy
Artificer is all around S for me because nobody can hit her when she's floating 5 stories above. And also because no, one execution after 5 second charge-up and with 15 seconds of cooldown on railgunner is *not* making artificer redundant. Just freakin stack backup mags and syringes, and you can execute *anything* in *any* quantities with spears. They also do a ton of damage in general.
Most people think artificial was nerd in this update, but she was actually buffed. Yeah, she is not the only person with the execute mechanic but now she can use her ion surge, combined with another item that starts with the letter H and is in the red tier to basically annihilate anything also becomes easier to do this things to void fuel cell because it allows more height and combining that red item will allow you to basically do as much damage as captains utility
rndThursday: Commando is bad. Me a Warthunder player: Sounds like a skill issue to me. (Nice vid btw. Glad YT recommended me some stuff I actually care about.)
As engi, I ranked every boss in the game without moving. All I had to do was get the mushroom that heals when standing still, and just stand with my turrets.
"REX sucks because self-damage triggers Safer Spaces" That's why you don't take Safer Spaces on REX. You settle for Tougher Times which can more consistently block your self-damage.
I started the game fairly recently, but so far, i can say that Bandit is my favorite, but then again, he is the only hero I have that isn't commando or huntress, so far
Two things about the captain that don't think you talked about. One he is dog s*** in the void losing most visibilities and in an expansion steamed around void, that hurts. And if you have Mom's credit card you can hack multi shots and one go. Slightly better than trying to chance
I like all the characters, but I agree with most thoughts on Commando. Which is sad, because from a gameplay pov, he is fun af. So I guess kudos to being a stepping stone, commando 🥴
Imo bandit is ridiculously good, his only downside is no healing at the start but leech seed invalidates that with the absolutely stonking amounts of damage, I beat eclipse 8 as him and it was relatively easy (granted I did this a while ago so I managed to dps-check mythrix in phase 3 due to the damage and procs for days - in my experience bandit procs really well) in other words, bandit is good.
I used to main Arti until SOTV came out, then I switched to Railgunner with a side of Hunt. I didn't really understand why I wasn't having a great time with Arti until I realised that Rail is just a better Arti: -Arti's M1 was always a weakspot for her while Rail's is annoying at times but way more useful both early and late is more runs -Arti's M2 was her main dmg but the Nano Bomb always felt sluggish to me so I'd stick with spear which is way under dps compared to either of Rail's M2s assuming you're hitting the weakspots (I usually run the HH44 over the M99 just so I can clear a bit easier earlier) -Arti's Utility is probably the only point I'd give over Rail just because of how strong that ice wall is while Rail's Concussion bombs are great mobility only being able to use 1 instantly without items weakens it imo (slow field feels too cramped to justify taking it while sacrificing mobility). Haven't tried it yet, but Strides of Heresy on Rail might be a good pickup but would hinder vertical movement height with the Concussion. But we can compare Arti's Utility to Rail's Special Cryocharge, which would need to pierce 4 enemies before dealing less dmg but can continue piercing to proc the freezing effect which makes it better imo -Arti's Special is her mobility (not taking flamethrower as range feels too short, especially with SOTV and the new flying enemies, and too limiting for her mobility with a restrictive use case in combat) which is good and all but requires movespeed to be able to effective, however I'd say it is still better than the Concussion bombs as a get-out-of-jail-free mobility, while Rail's Special Supercharge is one of the highest single-hit dmging skills in the game (exceptions being Captain's DIABLO Strike and a stacked up Bandit's Desparado) and Cryofreeze which deals half Supercharge while applying freezing and not putting the rest of your skills on cooldown Sad days for Arti mains; I still like her design and kit a lot more than the other survivors
Commando is bae The list makes sense and even if the placements have no bias (it feels like it) your wording does lmao It's fine though, it's understandable why peeps would think he's not good. He IS very basic and needs a lot of items to feel REALLY strong. Usually you gotta loop, but when he gets there, it feels amaaaaaazing
Bandit is bottom tier for looping. One of, if not the worst survivor for scaling. His ability to constantly crit is his only form of damage first loop, and actually does really good damage, but ends up being his downfall because if you give every survivor in the game 100% crit as well, they all do so much more damage than Bandit. Bandit NEEDS his crit to do well, other survivors don’t. So once you reach the point where everyone has crit, Bandit falls off hard.
Personally my favorite thing to do as the bandit and why they are my personal favorite is To what I call pistol Pogo where you use his dash while in air so it launches you up a bit more and then you take out a weekend I mean using your pistol and if it insta kills it really charges your pistol and your dash and you dash again jumping up higher again and then you continue the processing how high you can get just make sure not to use your dash if there's no more enemies around else you'll fall as an addition to this if you have an enemy which you can get weakened in a few shots of the shotgun you can try and do those mid-air dad a little bit of flair.
Loader is the best character in the game, the way shield works in the game makes you practically invincible, you don’t need to focus damage as she hits like a truck, she can fly across the entire map in 5 seconds off rip.
My top 3 are *Loader, Acrid and Mercenary.* So as you can tell I like melee survivors. I have to disagree with your statements on Acrid, the dude can do way more than just plink away at a foe from a distance. Acrid is more than capable of getting up in an enemies face and dealing big damage with their M1, due to the strong regen effect applied on the final hit and contagion can render an entire group of enemies within 1-shotting range if you use it right, additionally he has innate synergy with marked-for-death as most of his attacks inflict poison. His jump attack is also incredibly versatile because its a great mobility tool that scales with movement speed which allows for literal rocket jumping, has a good chance to stun any foe you jump into and it inflicts poison and deals good damage! His ranged M2 can literally snipe far away enemies if you’re a good shot and inflict poison after the fact if you miss. It just takes a couple of good items to really make him strong.
I feel as though artificer being S teir is perfect due to the fact that her nano spear, which freezes, can freeze mithrix, so just a few of the extra mags for multuple spears and mithrix cant do much
I tried playing mercenary again for once the other day. Hadn't played him for a long time, just basically enough to get all his unlocks. I was just astounded by how little damage he does. I was playing with artifact of vengeance and my umbra and myself couldn't even kill each other. It's such a shame because he'd have such a fun kit if he actually did any damage. Its nuts how there are some survivors that kill bosses from stage one in less than 10 seconds and some basically take over a minute.
You have to use his expose to do damage, he can absolutely do damage with the cool down reduction and bonus damage, it’s just harder than pressing m1 on other characters
"Survivors of the void made artificer just a worse survivor" Yea honestly gotta agree. But I'll still play my flying carpet bombing magic woman... hopoo pls buff :') Oh right, also let's not forget you used to be able to scrap the microbots for free, allowing for like 5+ red stacks if you got lucky enough to find a printer. Captain is simply goated.
I feel like polylute actually gave her more viability, being able to spread out her mega damage helps while waiting for cooldowns, and just having gas canister in the game soft buffing her m1 gives her a little more when you're struggling for those band drops
quick someone say something dumb
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Something dumb 😎
Rex is a better survivor than Captain 🙂
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safer spaces is the best item in the entire game
uh, using mods to unlock everything is ok?
"mult is the only ranged survivor that starts with armor"
REX moment
who?
Why are you bringing dinosaurs into this? The only thing close to that is Acrid and he doesn't start with armor.
what does metal gear rex have to do with this??? this is risk of rain 2
I LOVE REX MY LOVE FOR REX CANNOT BE SILENCED THEY CANNOT STOP THE REX MAIN FAMILY
There’s also Mercenary, Loader and Acrid. Guess you can stop playing them aswell rnd.
Survivor smash or pass tier list when?
smash all YES
Pass all except Mul-T
next vid - controversial take alert
Huntr-
Pass all except Rex
Oh boy, thank you I really didn’t want a healthy sleep schedule tonight
2am gang
i gotcha
I don't think 20 minutes is gonna harm much your sleep schedule
@@gflow3643 5:10am gang
Bruh I am SO fucked up rn and I gotta be up in 4 hours hahahahahahaha
Commando really is my favorite survivor at the moment. I know his playstyle is just pew-pew, but that's all he needs. He's one of those survivors where it really feels like you have to _work_ for that good run, you know? He also teaches you a lot about good item management. The new DLC actually made his runs more consistent.
yeah that's why i love commando too. I still like loader more because of how fun she is just getting around stages lol
Yeah commando is way underrated in this tier list. Especially for looping. He has the most consistent proc chain application tool of any survivor
he just works with literally any build. That's what makes him consistent for me.
@@nobleradical2158 That's the exact opposite of how it is. Commando works with comparatively few builds compared to other survivors, that's why he requires careful item management. But if you manage your items well you can use cauldrons and printers to get a good build that he excels with
Most of the characters force you to play in this weird playstyle i feel, while with commando everything just makes sense.
Personally I’d say mercenary underrated for eclipse and looping because slicing winds is way better than people think. Yeah you’re losing the s, but you’re getting a ranged ability that procs 8 times at a 1.0 coefficient. Maybe I’m crazy but I think it’s pretty darn good.
You're not crazy. It's very very strong
Also expose is busted
all expose abilities are good and work well with each other
@@mitchell9959 ya literally 0 cooldown against a group
No you’re totally right. Especially if you get a lysate cell it’s completely busted
Engineer actually can cheese the mithrix fight by placing his turrets outside the arena, in most cases Mithrix will aggro on them but won't be able to hit them, giving you a free win.
lets go didn't even know about this
Imma use this tactic
Can you do this on voiding somehow?
@@b4ngfargl333 nah, voidling has mostly ranged attacks, some of which have a lot of tracking. And from my experiences, his arenas don't have much in the way of spots you can put a turret where it can hit and voidling can't hit back. Maybe one exists, but i have no idea where.
Unless you get too chill and don't dodge a shockwave quick enough in his 3rd phase, and then he just procs something like polylute on you💀
As Commando main, i feel attacked, I would also say hes the most FUN survivor too, whereas engi is bungus tier on the fun tier.
I mean I get the most consistent games when I play him too
@@nogetmaerkeligt1st153 yeah I've a sneaking suspicion that a lot of people play the game as commando, unlock the rest and don't go back after learning a ton more about the game and mess up their previous bad runs and lack of knowledge with commando. (I did this at least for sure. Went back and quickly became such a fun character.)
big agree, few characters feel better than how it feels to slip and slide around on Commando even if he isn't top tier damage (and he still has solid proc coefficient so it doesn't take much to get the damage)
@@kona7043 nah i found captain just better commando, tried commando again and early game was so fucking painful it hurts
that’s just my opinion
Can't complain about some people just wanting to hold down lmb and nothing else entire run, die and go again, right?
> mains commando and acrid
> refuses to elaborate
> leaves... the arts & crafts store, holding twelve gluesticks
ive come back to find ur sin
ACRID FOREVER
@@rndThursdaylocal dog commit arson
The more commando I play, the more I like him. He's probably in my top 3. Idk maybe I ate too many crayons.
He's like an empty, plain white canvas for you to demolish on
Fricking poetry
Nah, you right. I used to think he kinda sucked but when I started playing him to 100% the game I realised that after I figured out how to play with him, he was pretty fun. Weak in comparison, but fun still.
personally top 5 for sure, mando gets slept on
No such thing as too many crayons
he is a very simple survivor so the people who like that kind of gameplay will gravitate toward him. nothing wrong with that.
but u should lower the crayon consumption m8 ur family is worried
The anti woolie tier list
good. woolie is arrogant and full of himself
As a Bandit main myself, he is 100% the most satisfying survivor in the game imo. Theres nothing more fun than flying around one shotting everything with Desperado by stage 3 lmao
I know, I know but... unironically merc gets a pretty substantial dps increase when you use all the different animation canceling and tech he has. Can literally reliably instakill floating bosses like AWU. Aside from that, totally fair list cool vid
He is theoretically strong, but also plays the most different from everything else that anyone not specifically interested in the playstyle will probably never learn to play him that well. Getting the achievements for him was such a painful experience to me I actually uninstalled the game for several months, and succeeding to do a monsoon run I actually managed because I got the wisp boss item so I didnt need to use his abilities. I know the numbers mean he's strong but he will always be the only F tier survivor to me. At least commando is just boring o.O
nerd
@@ainumahtar Lucky for you his best side ability is the easiest to get, rising thunder.
The other ones are for memes builds really.
@@InsaneToats ok definitely not true, but that's a discussion for another time 😅
Pretty much all his skills have valid use-cases, tbh I typically take slicing winds now
@@kabkabkab yeh
I started playing Commando recently because I wanted to stack Hella bleeds on things and I don't think he's as bad as I used to now. But holy fuck you're literally at the mercy of the RNGods if you don't get insane items you slowly get outscaled and it FeelsBadMan
Yeah nothings changed for commando. Feels terrible to play unless you get a perfect run
If I want to stack mad bleeds I go multi. Nails go BRRRRR
@@ainumahtar Something just feels bad about playing MUL-T for me I dunno
@@mkman1 double rebar is fun, but you get burned out by like 5 runs imo, because you literally JUST hold R and M1 at the same time, for the whole run. I've yet to unlock his alt special for some double nailgun shenanigans, it looks fun tho. He's also the slowest survivor (i think) and you can't stop during his shift, so it can feel clunky, but also sometimes fun driving around for a bit.
@@plasmodius9449 yeah that is why I play him, when I just dont want to think and hopefully watch bleed stacks go up crazy high. I should try a double rebar run again, just that as you say, holding R down and m1 is strong but annoying. Once you get some attac speed rebar becomes absolutely nutty though.
I love merc because his base mobility doesnt make me want to cry so he's really fun, how good each character is doesn't really matter too much considering ror2 is just a game of surviving until you get enough items to carry you, the only thing that changes is how many items your character needs to function very well which is why the dlc characters are so good since they need very little.
Merc Main here. I agree with a lot of your sentiments, especially the Commando parts lol, but I feel one thing worth noting is that Merc is one of the least RNG-dependent survivors for killing Mithrix.
Sure his damage isn’t great as the run progresses and he takes time to learn, but you can reliably rush TPs and get to the Mithrix fight with more consistency then any other survivor bc of s and low cooldowns.
Merc artificer loader and railgunner are all in the kill mithrix specialist group. All of them excel at just gunning it for mithrix and taking him down with relative ease ie skipping pillars and making the boss fight a joke.
Do you play melee or ranged? I'm trying to beat eclipse with everyone but I have no idea how to play mercenary. Ranged seems safer but feels awkward
@@kirbyjinet302 what is skipping pillars?
@@Kenzo-vg5ik going to mithrix arena with enough height to reach instead doing 4 pillars.
Something I discovered on my own, but y'all might already know: power saw is agile, you can sprint while using it
o true actually lmao. powersaw op
Very
The reason why i love Engineer so much is because he can make a use of an items that will be otherwise pretty garbage for rest of the survivors
One single item ^^ But wungus turns that around again
also some of the items go from good to awesome such as the explosion boss item (forgot what its called) and dio's. or the void egg that summons voidlings.
yeah but engi is just stand still beside ur turrets and win but idk man
wungus nerfed engi :(
Fungus is useful if you use pick your items artifact 🤓
"welcome to the salty spitoon how tough are ya"
"i beat eclipse 8"
"yea so?"
"as REX"
"uh...right this way sir."
Loader, Acrid, and Merc should be way higher IMO. For most video games mobility and range > everything else. This also applies to RoR2. Mobility and range can just compeltely prevent death and make you faster at clearing stages. I'm like 90% sure that the mobility on those characters is more impactful on stage clear time than Capitan's hack. Acrid's range and mobility prevents him from ever having to actually fight anything. Loader is fast and tanky; she is hard to one-shot and only has to be in for a few seconds to do dmg. Mercenary can just be invulnerable 24/7 completely preventing death. Alternativley, you can run slicing winds and have one of the best ranged abilities in the game.
Merc does piss damage , loader is objectively worse than railgunner
Most fun for me is Huntress/Railgunner/Artificier. Huntress for her incredible mobility compared to other classes. Railgunner makes the fun builds even better and actually rewards your skill (fast aim).
And lastly Artificier, my favorite, for how it's gameplay is totally different from other classes, she abandons ground movement in all it's forms due to casting time on spells and knockback, it's objectively better and easier to just fly all the time, has kit that is basically made for duplication and spamming in succession instead of shooting/ occasionally using abilities, like other classes. And has a certain skill cap, some abilities have a very close range, but are rewarding and positioning is very important (ice walls, stacking them).
Ice walls are *not* close range. In fact, they are the longest range ability she has. They instantly appear on any horizontal surface you have LoS on. And that's real handy
artificer is fun imo because 1. ENV suit. Even without surge, just a little bit of vertical mobility like a feather or two and you don't need to touch the ground much
2. You spend a lot of time sprinting, meaning you just generally get to move around fast and play somewhat like how an agile survivor would
3. All of her abilities are viable imo. Fire bolt has better damage on tanky targets while plasma bolt is easier to aim while flying high, ice spear can be used better against flying enemies and tanky targets while nano bomb can clear swaths of ground based enemies and is easier to aim while flying high, flamethrower trades off a get out of jail free card and reliable pillar skipping + earlier access to mobility for great damage making it a difficult decision imo. As you may or may not have been able to tell from this or from your own experiences, the ion themed stuff goes well together and the fire/ice themed stuff goes well together.
You just gained a sub lol. That explanation of mobility, damage, and healing was great, and the fact that you read the survivors out loud for anyone listening to audio is so useful for me who has videos on while playing lol
thank you kind sir
I started playing commando a LOT after survivors of the void dropped… he’s now my absolute favorite survivor in the game, and it’s not even close. He feels so good to play imo. I can’t even remember the last time I lost a run on him, even in eclipse. I feel like a lot of the new items helped out commando a lot more than some of the other survivors.
too bad he's still unironically the worst survivor
@@deeznuttes9340 I think you can definitely make a case that artificer is worse, and Rex is definitely worse in eclipse runs. And besides that, him being the worst doesn’t change the fact that he *feels* immaculate to play.
RND: To be good, a survivor needs damage, mobility and healing.
Also RND: Engi, a survivor who does not have 2 out of 3, is the best non-dlc survivor.
ME: Sad plant noises for rex in this ranking, especially if you're talking about consistency. Not to mention the fact imo he is the single greatest survivor to take broken glass on, because you're not really losing anything anyway. bears > safer spaces for him, which feels kinda bad, but eh.
Also me: 100% agree on rex being the worst in eclipse. That seemed just specifically made to not work for him >.>
Engi is f tier no cap
Engi ain't shit compared to loader and captain
@@eee2214 yes cap engi is GOATed with the sauce and the best damage dealer in the game
@@darkloaf1033 loader is typing captain is typing rail gunner is typing corrupted void fiend is typing huntress is typing
@@eee2214 captain: better with engi anyway (especially with his healing beacons)
as for everyone else, I can smell you from here dont worry
Seeing people complain that railgunner is bad has been hilarious.
It's basically a confession that you just can't aim.
thats why i ranked her the highest. cuz im an aim god B)
"every time you use an ability that hurts yourself, safer spaces blocks it"
then just don't pick up the water bear smh
how freaking dare u !
Alright ill take the bait, you ARE playing mercenary wrong.
Id rank mercenary as one of the few survivors that can excel without good items. Something a lot of people dont know, is that blinding dash makes you invulnerable even while chaining it. So a Merc can Dash>Dash>Evis>Dash and be completely safe. Meaning he can attack high priority enemies and escape without a scratch. Oh Did i mention there is a bug with merc/loader where any flying enemy, bosses included can be instantly killed if they fly into a wall. Mercs blinding dash can occasionally push even the allow worship unit, killing it instantly.
I also use rising thunder to do high damage with bands and crowbar, Dash in> RisingT to apply bands/crowbar> dash straight down> Evis to stack on hits> and dash back out. Dont forget that blinding assault can stun enemies, so u can find a solo target, or stun a group, and get 2-3 free Rising thunders before they can react. Which gives you ample time to re-stun or run away. Its also a crazy good damage dealer that synergizes with itself, With enough Mags u can send most enemies straight to heaven, and with attack speed u can spam it so fast it can kill most heavy's before they can attack.
Bezerkers pauldron is a must on on mercenary, and he has a clever way of getting it. it takes basically 2-3 Dashes to drop most small enemies, and lining up enemies to hit all of them makes it super easy. Not even taking on death items into account. And once he has bezerkers his basic attack passive lets him spam abilities way more often by resetting his cooldowns even faster.
Another god tier green item is bandolier. Most survivors, cant go get the bandolier drop since it puts them in danger, and the risk outweighs the reward. Merc can use every 2 dashes>Evis and dash towards the bandolier to instantly reset his abilities, Late game Merc becomes an untouchable god, Blinding dash is deceptively strong crowd clearing move, with enough on hit/on death items u can kill bosses just from focusing down small enemies, which in turn drop bandoliers and boost damage, all cascading massive untouchable damage.
On the topic of early game, his passive lets him out dps 75% of the survivors by letting him spam his abilities, and his passive can be applied to groups of enemies meaning he could get it all back in a single swing.
There i said it, you are playing him wrong im sorry, please dont attack my family.
*merc main intensifies*
Tbh he did say that you're dumb if you only say he's wrong, I'd say you did a good job proving you are a merc main and give a bunch of reasons. Will literally any non-merc-main agree? Probably not, but you certainly exceeded "sword good, rnd bad" xD
We have a master gamer here boys. Who never die to malachite and other area dmg debuff effect; and never thought/realized he's being skill check / reaction check to it a tons lots more often by being closely around them all the time; and will always have ben's raincoat every game.
While everyone else was partying, this guy studied the blade lmao
@Rill Focused assault, and slicing winds are a great meme build, its kinda like playing commando on steroids. On one hand two wisps is enough to make you fear for your life, but on the other u can kill god.
I know we give Commando a lot of gaffs - and rightfully so - but I don't think he's quite... bad... He's just underwhelming when you compare him to literally every other class in the game.
I mean it kinda makes sense that hes underwhelming since hes kinda the default character. Hes likely the survivor most people play first, so it makes sense to have basic abilities to ease people into the game, rather than the more complicated abilities of other survivors.
Commando below artificer is WILD.
??? It’s really not
I'm a commando enjoyer admittedly. Yes he is very vanilla, but what I find fun about that is that instead of trying to find items that compliment him early on, I just take whatever and then try and find items that compliment the items I got early on and this leads to runs that feel very different each time compared to the other survivors imo. I think it's fair to say he sucks though, not gonna argue that.
yeah, you get outscaled almost no matter what you do. Zooming around with the slide is very fun and so is having three various ways to shoot someone in the face that I get to rotate between.
Really insignificant and not important to the topic, but that smallest detail of reading out the tierlist for people listening to audio only at 2:07 me smile lol, I have never seen any youtuber do that once. Sorry for rambling this much about it, but that's the smallest detail ever that made me happy for some reason.
lmao just finished grinding eclipse 8 on commando then you released this, I really think his utility is underrated. Truly hard to take damage if you're using it off cooldown
Nice job on the eclipse 8 man
@@budzee313 ty :)
9:18 Huntress mains when they actually have to aim
The joke about Artificers alt is why i use it over the flamethrower, I'd rather have that get out of jail free card if need be rather than a flamethrower that isnt that great in late game unless im able to find void corrupt battery cells or the gas tank
Seeing Captain in B Tier just hurts my feelings
Best survivor?
Commando.
Why?
Soldier's Syringe.
But that's an item???
y e s
all you need to win with commando is some crit, a pred instincts, and a ukulele/atg. perforators make him dummy strong too.
As a commando main, i will keep quiet for now...
Mercenary is so fun, especially on wandering jellyfish bosses. Chaining your shift ability to get on top, and using your when he uses his aoe, it just looks so cool. But bandit is starting to catch up to him, bandit is hella fun
Can confirm as a fellow bandit, he is fun. First character I ever beat monsoon on, very reliably can rip apart beetle queens and stone titans. Wandering Vagrants suck tho, like where tf is their back?!
@@thearmedbanditI just stand under them. Idk why it works
Was just searching a tier list yesterday for SoTV dlc, your doing gods work 🙏
Merc is my absolute favorite survivor cause like yeah he ain't the best, but damn is he fun and engaging to play. The feeling of slicing through enemies while just barely having your cooldowns recharge in time to save your ass is just so exhilarating for me
“These characters are the best, because I like them and refuse to learn others” bruh at least Woolley doesn’t straight up lie in his tier lists. Engi has NO movement and NO healing “but bungus.” What about loaders highest mobility in game along with extremely high damage? Not to mention her barrier for defense which admittedly isn’t healing but like come on bro Rex has all three stats you talk about but he isn’t good I guess although captain is who also doesn’t have healing OR mobility. Why did you make a big deal about healing, mobility, and damage and then not show information to even back it up other then void boy?
Here is a cool little idea, maybe do some runs with those survivors you say you "can't think of a way to make them work" instead of just guessing, like why make a video about personal opinion that was formedwithout experience
my reply will be made shortly >:(
@@rndThursday lmao
@@rndThursday oh no, we've been here before
That’s great but did you take into account he has absolute boatloads of experience and that his opinions are justified with i would say days of experience on each survivor making his opinions justifiable but also are you aware that these are his opinions so if you disagree you disagree and you don’t need to give him hate for what he stated is an opinion.
@@Phantom-jt3xc check pinned comment of his equipment tierlist
Did so much damage to mithrix as rail gunner on eclipse it skipped his last phase.
that's an interaction with kjaro's not high damage
Commando has okay consistentcy. I think i see myself falling back to him whenever im having bad runs that day. Its just a such a simple basic kit that makes him so comfortable to play. Will say that the pain i feel when dont pick up a focus crystal, wax quail, or ukelele by stage 3 is astronomical.
3:15 "I mean what survivor can do this?"
Captain, for one. Arguably Rex as well.
Artificer is in dire need of a rework/redesign.
M1 is just awful to use due to its gimmicky recharges and low damage
M2 shouldn't be cast after charging to max
Shift is fine, although its placement-system is terrible. I'd suggest making it as a projectile with expanding freeze-AOE on hit. That way you can at least hit fliers. The M2 frosty spear sacrifices too much of arti power, to consider using.
R - flamethrower is total sh. It adds alot of damage, but it's worthless without mobility. The R-jump is nice mobility
passive - 'floating' makes artificer too slow, which wasn't big deal before, but with new flying mobs this is a death sentence.
I kinda like playing arti, but why would i ever, if Loader does exactly the same stuff (big combo hits) but so, so SO much better and safer?
Acrid is my 'es numeros uno' favourite survivor. His mobility is great and i love DoT in general.. But yeah both poison and blight are too weak to carry him. It's more like a bonus damage. Would be nice if he had some buffs to it. Also acrid bite (m2) and other type of leap is just awful and shouldn't be used.
My biggest problem with Rex is its shift inconsistency. It uses physics to push mobs away, the closer mobs are, the stronger the push. Sounds great on paper, but overall because of it it has "3 pushing modes": enemy on top of rex = strong push, enemy close = weak push, enemy still in cone but far = no push at all. It's just too inconsistent to be reliable.
Commando shows that hopoo doesn't care about "balancing" all that much. His M2 piercing shot always was and still is terrible, just awful. And.. devs didn't bother to ever adress it. How did they "fix" it? By just giving him a much better M2. That was the fix to terrible ability, ignore it and make a MUCH better one to pick. I don't care if commando is "starting" survivor. He should be just as viable as rest.
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loader is OP, arti isnt underpowered
I love Merc and Loader just for mobility. Merc makes you Raiden and Loader makes you Spiderman.
With this list I'm beginning to understand why you get so many doubters
doubters never prosper
Thank you so much for representing the audio listeners
Huntress main here, I feel as if huntress is always a hit or miss, vertical movement isn’t normally an issue since I play with the normal blink rather than phase blink. I personally feel as if where huntress truly shines is multiplayer. I run around a ~70% win rate on Huntress, and nearly every time it has been on multiplayer, she scales incredibly well with survivors like engineer, where the turrets allow for more distractions for the enemy, drawing agro away from her, which she needs, as she is incredibly squishy like you stated. If you loop as huntress, I nearly always get the most damage out of my party members purely because huntress triple shot with near full/full crit is easily one of the most broken survivors in the game. Unfortunately, most items are quite poor on her, so I would personally put her at the bottom/near bottom of A tier for looping, especially if you go to AoC if you’re looping.
Drizzle Daniels: Railgunner, Loader, Engineer, Void Fiend
Rainstorm Ryans: Mul-T, Bandit, Captain
Monsoon Michaels: Huntress, Mercenary, Artificer, Acrid, Commando, Rex
I would maybe bump merc up to bottom of A tier (assuming you know the exposed transfer tech) but other than that good list. And yes I know I'm immediately proving your point about merc mains, shut up.
What is expose transfer? i main merc and have no idea.
yeah, what is this "exposed transfer" tech you speak of? Also whirlwind or rising thunder? I have always been a whirlwind fan.
@@griffvideoman i'm a whirlwind guy. As for the tech, rill explained it very well, but it's worth noting that if you use merc's alternate utility with it you can have almost permanent uptime due to the way the ability works. I might upload a video later to show off how it works.
@@wonderface7131 I would be interested in seeing that
@@grotty9850 Sure, I'm busy today so give me a while.
So many Commando enjoyers here like geez. I personally don't like him cuz his kit is pretty boring but that's just how I feel. Bandit and Railgunner main here. And it's not cuz they have good damage scaling it's simply because I like their play style and design. Very cool.
^
Smartest person in the comments right here, the commando defenders are mind numbing to listen to
Can you please make a survivor feet tier list? It's for research purposes
I need this 😩
Merc for me is all about the ranged playstyle and the techs like the triple exposed tech where you r with slicing winds get to your third m1 and dash as your m1 goes off, you get 3 sequential exposed procs and with more than 3 enemies you get essentially 0 CD on your skills
i just realized the new glasses is a hidden buff for bandit, the crit passive always becomes useless within one loop but the removal of easy 100% crit increases its value
now ur really in the matrix
captain has one movement abilty. you can skip pillers on moon with the meme strike.
As a commando main I agree with your placement for him on the eclipse tierlist [eclipse to hard :(] but I'd argue that he's actually quite good at looping. Early game he does low damage with his primary fire but the low cooldown on both his secondaries means he can either burst down golems or insta kill wisps. plus his barrage inflicts stun so he can stall and avoid damage well. He also has a very strong trait on his movement ability being that he can attack while sliding allowing him to maintain speed and dps. (also 1.0 proc coefficient go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
oh right forgot to mention but he also has the best alt skin
Engineer carried me to my first few successful runs. Was using the mobile turret variant, and the things literally backwalked away from Mythrix and just bullied the guy. That was hilarious to watch.
It is honestly criminal how much you underrate commando so much. He's not anywhere near that bad.
He isn't the best survivor but he's honestly one of my top 3 and is super fun for me so I completely disagree but I don't play eclipse so idk there
its okay i might not think commando is good but
you are my favourite youtuber and this is the first video ive watched from you
Commando was buffed and he’s actually really quite good no
I adore pure melee acrid, good damage w the bite, the healing from m1 and m2, and the geeling of just beginning a sprint and flinging yourself on any airborne enemies it's just -chefs kiss-
weird thing tho I thought he was a horse at first, idk why I think he kinda sounds like one when he jumps
I love playing E8 and I think your eclipse tier list is pretty good, but I do think you’re underrating commando. His M1 is (arguably) the best in the game
Like you mentioned, commando has damage and mobility. He’s missing healing but healing doesn’t really matter on E8 because damage is permanent anyways, it’s much more about playing careful and not getting hit, which commando is good at.
Also totally go ranged build on merc
As someone who likes rex, when Eclipse came around, you have no idea how much it hurt to read the later effects because its just WHY.
Why completely fillet one of your survivors like a fish to be conpletely irrelevant. It hurts so much, Rex easily belongs in C tier for elcipse 8 runs.
can someone explain to me how Captain’s nuke skips Mithrix pillars?
if you summon it on yourself and stand in the exact center, when it hits you get launched SUPER high into the air. NEED to be in 1-shot protection range to pull it off though
you go to one of the tall buildings and sit in the middle of ur nuke. it'll propel you all the way up to mithrix
after seeing a stunt like that If I was mithrix id just give up right there
The spot is at the top of the soul/lunar pod building
Gonna be the odd one out here and defend REX. The main criteria here for "good survivor" are mobility, damage, and healing, and REX is competent with all three (plus an AWU instakill). They have a high-damaging secondary _and_ a damage-amplifying debuff built into their primary; they have two powerful healing abilities by default (three if you count their alt utility); and the utility's aerial knockback provides exceptional potential for vertical mobility, which takes very few movement items to reach absurd distances (sprint during startup for best results). REX does exist without OSP, but more often than not, that ends up being the default anyway, not to mention the abundance of enemies who can completely bypass that protection. As for Eclipse 8, yes the self-damage counts for permadamage, but that still gets offset by how REX's health consumption works: it scales off of current health, not maximum health, so the permadamage becomes less of an issue the lower your health already is.
just use tougher times smh
As far as commando goes, I find he works REALLY well early game (at least it bumps his damage by a lot for when it’s needed) if you can get an essence of heresy
Artificer is all around S for me because nobody can hit her when she's floating 5 stories above. And also because no, one execution after 5 second charge-up and with 15 seconds of cooldown on railgunner is *not* making artificer redundant. Just freakin stack backup mags and syringes, and you can execute *anything* in *any* quantities with spears. They also do a ton of damage in general.
Most people think artificial was nerd in this update, but she was actually buffed. Yeah, she is not the only person with the execute mechanic but now she can use her ion surge, combined with another item that starts with the letter H and is in the red tier to basically annihilate anything also becomes easier to do this things to void fuel cell because it allows more height and combining that red item will allow you to basically do as much damage as captains utility
rndThursday: Commando is bad.
Me a Warthunder player: Sounds like a skill issue to me.
(Nice vid btw. Glad YT recommended me some stuff I actually care about.)
My go to way to build engineer is spider turrets + rushing visions. Those little things walking around shooting needlers just feels so strong!
As engi, I ranked every boss in the game without moving. All I had to do was get the mushroom that heals when standing still, and just stand with my turrets.
"REX sucks because self-damage triggers Safer Spaces"
That's why you don't take Safer Spaces on REX. You settle for Tougher Times which can more consistently block your self-damage.
I started the game fairly recently, but so far, i can say that Bandit is my favorite, but then again, he is the only hero I have that isn't commando or huntress, so far
11:10 The Captain has Agile attacks for the most part. The Artificer also charges her normal moves during sprint too.
Two things about the captain that don't think you talked about. One he is dog s*** in the void losing most visibilities and in an expansion steamed around void, that hurts. And if you have Mom's credit card you can hack multi shots and one go. Slightly better than trying to chance
i’m glad someone else has good opinions of engineer
I’m not a girl or a boy but I still liked this video :) good stuff
Hey man. Been playing since it came out on ps4 all I can say is welcome to the community man. I hope you enjoy it for the long run.
Engineer mains when they don't get bungus round 1: "this game is over. I have to restart"
I like all the characters, but I agree with most thoughts on Commando. Which is sad, because from a gameplay pov, he is fun af. So I guess kudos to being a stepping stone, commando 🥴
My favorite survivor is bandit so I’m glad you got placed 3rd, 5th, and then 4th respectively
Imo bandit is ridiculously good, his only downside is no healing at the start but leech seed invalidates that with the absolutely stonking amounts of damage, I beat eclipse 8 as him and it was relatively easy (granted I did this a while ago so I managed to dps-check mythrix in phase 3 due to the damage and procs for days - in my experience bandit procs really well) in other words, bandit is good.
bandit do a good amount of damage challenge (impossible)
Appreciate the readout for the “background noisers” out there
ive gotchu fam
I used to main Arti until SOTV came out, then I switched to Railgunner with a side of Hunt. I didn't really understand why I wasn't having a great time with Arti until I realised that Rail is just a better Arti:
-Arti's M1 was always a weakspot for her while Rail's is annoying at times but way more useful both early and late is more runs
-Arti's M2 was her main dmg but the Nano Bomb always felt sluggish to me so I'd stick with spear which is way under dps compared to either of Rail's M2s assuming you're hitting the weakspots (I usually run the HH44 over the M99 just so I can clear a bit easier earlier)
-Arti's Utility is probably the only point I'd give over Rail just because of how strong that ice wall is while Rail's Concussion bombs are great mobility only being able to use 1 instantly without items weakens it imo (slow field feels too cramped to justify taking it while sacrificing mobility). Haven't tried it yet, but Strides of Heresy on Rail might be a good pickup but would hinder vertical movement height with the Concussion. But we can compare Arti's Utility to Rail's Special Cryocharge, which would need to pierce 4 enemies before dealing less dmg but can continue piercing to proc the freezing effect which makes it better imo
-Arti's Special is her mobility (not taking flamethrower as range feels too short, especially with SOTV and the new flying enemies, and too limiting for her mobility with a restrictive use case in combat) which is good and all but requires movespeed to be able to effective, however I'd say it is still better than the Concussion bombs as a get-out-of-jail-free mobility, while Rail's Special Supercharge is one of the highest single-hit dmging skills in the game (exceptions being Captain's DIABLO Strike and a stacked up Bandit's Desparado) and Cryofreeze which deals half Supercharge while applying freezing and not putting the rest of your skills on cooldown
Sad days for Arti mains; I still like her design and kit a lot more than the other survivors
Commando is bae
The list makes sense and even if the placements have no bias (it feels like it) your wording does lmao
It's fine though, it's understandable why peeps would think he's not good. He IS very basic and needs a lot of items to feel REALLY strong. Usually you gotta loop, but when he gets there, it feels amaaaaaazing
Mercenary with Safer Spaces and Oddly Shaped Opal is a sign for me that this run will be a god run.
Bandit is bottom tier for looping. One of, if not the worst survivor for scaling. His ability to constantly crit is his only form of damage first loop, and actually does really good damage, but ends up being his downfall because if you give every survivor in the game 100% crit as well, they all do so much more damage than Bandit. Bandit NEEDS his crit to do well, other survivors don’t. So once you reach the point where everyone has crit, Bandit falls off hard.
i might disagree but goddamN do i love the name
@@rndThursday :)
Been waiting for this video, can’t wait to watch
We have very similar tastes. I essentially agree with nearly all of this (the exception is that I don't enjoy melee and up-close characters).
Commando is my favorite. He’s a bit basic with his simple loadout but he makes every run challenging. It’s fun.
Personally my favorite thing to do as the bandit and why they are my personal favorite is To what I call pistol Pogo where you use his dash while in air so it launches you up a bit more and then you take out a weekend I mean using your pistol and if it insta kills it really charges your pistol and your dash and you dash again jumping up higher again and then you continue the processing how high you can get just make sure not to use your dash if there's no more enemies around else you'll fall as an addition to this if you have an enemy which you can get weakened in a few shots of the shotgun you can try and do those mid-air dad a little bit of flair.
Loader is the best character in the game, the way shield works in the game makes you practically invincible, you don’t need to focus damage as she hits like a truck, she can fly across the entire map in 5 seconds off rip.
My top 3 are *Loader, Acrid and Mercenary.* So as you can tell I like melee survivors.
I have to disagree with your statements on Acrid, the dude can do way more than just plink away at a foe from a distance.
Acrid is more than capable of getting up in an enemies face and dealing big damage with their M1, due to the strong regen effect applied on the final hit and contagion can render an entire group of enemies within 1-shotting range if you use it right, additionally he has innate synergy with marked-for-death as most of his attacks inflict poison. His jump attack is also incredibly versatile because its a great mobility tool that scales with movement speed which allows for literal rocket jumping, has a good chance to stun any foe you jump into and it inflicts poison and deals good damage!
His ranged M2 can literally snipe far away enemies if you’re a good shot and inflict poison after the fact if you miss.
It just takes a couple of good items to really make him strong.
i kinda like the characters near the bottom especially commando because hard = fun
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I feel as though artificer being S teir is perfect due to the fact that her nano spear, which freezes, can freeze mithrix, so just a few of the extra mags for multuple spears and mithrix cant do much
I tried playing mercenary again for once the other day. Hadn't played him for a long time, just basically enough to get all his unlocks. I was just astounded by how little damage he does. I was playing with artifact of vengeance and my umbra and myself couldn't even kill each other. It's such a shame because he'd have such a fun kit if he actually did any damage. Its nuts how there are some survivors that kill bosses from stage one in less than 10 seconds and some basically take over a minute.
You have to use his expose to do damage, he can absolutely do damage with the cool down reduction and bonus damage, it’s just harder than pressing m1 on other characters
@@gazza1922 I mean, I do. His kit is built to encourage you to cycle through all his abilities and use expose. He still does shit damage.
"Survivors of the void made artificer just a worse survivor"
Yea honestly gotta agree. But I'll still play my flying carpet bombing magic woman... hopoo pls buff :')
Oh right, also let's not forget you used to be able to scrap the microbots for free, allowing for like 5+ red stacks if you got lucky enough to find a printer. Captain is simply goated.
I feel like polylute actually gave her more viability, being able to spread out her mega damage helps while waiting for cooldowns, and just having gas canister in the game soft buffing her m1 gives her a little more when you're struggling for those band drops
👏 this 👏
"Bandit's M1 isn't that good" *cries in 1000% damage from behind*