The (Potential) Problem With Robert Downey Jr’s Doctor Doom
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- By now it's no secret that at SDCC 24 during Marvels Hall H Panel it was announced that former Iron Man star, Robert Downy Jr., would be taking over the iconic character Victor Von Doom. Though many MCU fans were excited, a lot were wondering how RDJ was going to lose the Tony Stark facade and become Dr. Doom. Some feel this is a cash grab by Marvel brass and the Russo Brothers, but other think this could be an interesting turn for a floundering MCU. Can Robert Downy Jr. pull off one of the most iconic villains in Marvel Comics history? Only time will tell.
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This casting isnt doing a character like Doom justice. He should be able to stand on his own and not a tony stark that went a darker path
agreed! but maybe it'll work! We'll see
I completely agree which is what bothers me on how people can’t see that as a problem
How do we know it's Tony Stark? I'm sure it's just Victor Von Doom played by RDJ, but it wouldn't matter because Doom's face is often covered by his mask.
Quick, Marvel! Walk it back. Give us:
Tom Hanks
Gary Oldman
Leonardo Dicaprio
Bryan Cranston
Daniel Day Lewis
The alternative is a backtrack, a cop out
Once they killed off stark the movies started to suck
My only problem is we’ll never see some amazing actors get the chance at playing doom.
They're gonna recast Doctor Doom post Battleworld. They're not keeping Downey for more then 3 movies.
Well now that Kang’s gone they’re gonna need a different villain if they wanna do the whole multiversal crossover concept. And Doom is the perfect character.
Wow. That’s a bit rude.
I do wish for Cillian Murphy as Doom
@@someguywithadog3239 "I have become Doom, destroyer of multiverses."
It is pure and absolute desperation
Yeah, it definitely seems miscalculated, but maybe it'll work! Who can say!
I don’t care if it’s desperate if they actually pull it off. I just hope they can break off from the safe monotonous formula and actually do the character justice.
"Till you're 90" also applies to RDJ
They all this money to bring RDJ and Russo Bros back but they can’t pay their VFX artists properly because of various reshoots 😂
I hate it when they reshoot everything lol Just cancel it if u have zero confidence in your damn films
@@The-only-Superman-that-matters exactly! Blade was announced back in late 2019 when I had started middle school at the time and what do they do? They do nothing with it. They lost directors twice. Why couldn't they just cancel it if they're losing directors and not working on it?
@@noobmaster69426bruh I was starting high school when infinity war dropped im in college now and a legal adult in a month 💀 shiz crazy bruh
Simple:
Henry Cavill -> "Wow, Superman!"
Ryan Reynolds -> "Wow, Deadpool!"
Tobey Maguire -> "Wow, Spider-Man!"
RDJ -> "Dr. Doom? Ugh, what?" 👀🤔
Can't see it -> Can't believe it -> Won't work. 🤷♂
Same. No matter how hard they try with this Doom character... we'll see the fawka as Stark!!!!
Can't unsee RDJ in that tacky, ugly, ill fitting costume.
Doom is doomed.
@@ShermThursbylol use your brain, that's obviously not going to be the costume they use for the movie
@@acecashman1237Probably some silly cgi exo-suit. God forbid the films use practical effects for costumes.
This boomer ass comment
Dr Doom is cursed to never have a good mainstream adaptation.
And Mr Fantastic 😂I don't like Pedro Pascal. The only good casting I like tho is the 2005 version Ioan Grufford
Yall acting like Robert Downey jr ain’t gonna eat this up, cope harder tbh
Don’t want to sound like a Downey, but I am pretty skeptical about Robert’s return to the MCU as Dr. Doom, it undermines the ending of Endgame a little bit.
COMEPLTELY agree. But maybe they'll find a unique angle on it?
I’m neutral on it depending on how it’s executed. Are they going to try something different, hire competent people and do the character justice? Or is this a desperate cash grab and they’re just gonna turn doom into an evil iron man?
Knowing Disney it’s probably the second, but there’s no sense in taking a stance until it’s out
Not really. He could wear prosthetics to the point where he's unrecognizable and just greatly acted, he could be a variant, he could be multiverse, doesn't have to touch Tony at all. Just like dp&wolverine did not change anything about Logan. People say it did, but it did not bc Logan was long dead and the movie long over before do showed up. So it could be so many different things
@@The_Infamous_Boogyman I once heard that there are movie stars and there are actors. Movie stars always play the same character in every movie they’re in (e.g Dwayne Johnson always plays Dwayne Johnson), whereas actors change to fit the role.
Robert Downey Jr is an actor Oscar winner, so hopefully he’ll be able to give a performance completely distinct to iron man and the characters will feel nothing alike.
@@BananaWasTaken 100% my friend
Knowing the quality of writing nowadays Dr. Doom will turn out to be Tony Stark's secret twin brother...
Tony Starch
Agreed
It is pure desperation.
It doesn't seem like a strong move, but maybe it'll work?
So?
100% but the real hard core RDJ fans are too blinded by him being back to somehow acknowledge it but maybe I’m wrong that they can see that anyway
@@NerdstalgicWell it is kinda their first acknowledgment at how bad the MCU is gotten, so if you want to be a pure optimist about it you could argue that it shows that that they’re willing to change what they’re doing and make other necessary changes (such as hiring competent writers with a love for the material)
@@NerdstalgicRDJ could work, but ideally shouldn't. It's gonna dilute Iron Man's death and make Dr. Doom's character less unique no matter how different they write him.
could it work? yes
is it a desperation attempt? also yes
was this needed? definitely no
Bro superhero fatigue isn’t real. Fatigue from shit shows and quantity over quality entertainment is the problem.
The room temperature and sagging box office says different
@@NerdstalgicDidn’t deadpool and wolverine preform well at the box office?
And Guardians 3 also received positive reviews
@@BananaWasTaken Let's be honest here: if there's one Marvel character you can expect to perform well, even in a sea of poor showings elsewhere, it's Deadpool.
Yeah, the "fatigue" is an excuse made by disney so that it doesn't have to take responsibility for its shitty productions.
@@Nerdstalgic Guardians of the galaxy 3, Spider Man no way home, Deadpool and Wolverine, Into the spiderverse and across the spiderverse, and Invincible all show that people aren't tired of super hero media.
I love that last point- RDJ is out here pulling a Ric Flair (also known as a "Goldberg", a "Scrubs", or a "Phil Collins"). Just ride into the sunset, my guy, you had the perfect ending, don't ruin it.
Ric Flair and Goldberg catching strays in movie channels 😂😂
@@EliasRoy I see life through a wrestling lens lol
80 million man, try to say no to 80 million
I don’t blame him. Dude was getting paid ridiculous money for these films, and they’re probably paying him way more to come back. Get that bag bro, who cares if it all collapses you’ll be a billionaire soon
For 100+ million dollars? Yeah I’d ruin my legacy too.
Dr. Doom in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes is still the best non- comic version of the character so far. Really wish they kept that show going.
That show had the best version of everyone
03:56. The way in which he starts saying multiverse, and immediately pivots to 'universe', it's just a chef's kiss, as to how much their pants are on fire.
The censorship by YT is crazy. Face Green Smile?! WTF Susan 🤣😭💀
What made the movies up to End Game so great is we've been wanting a connected universe with super heroes and teaming up to fight a bigger threat. The MCU finally gave that to us. But then they also made every character an iron man clone with funny quips, only they weren't as good as the original. They should have ended it at End Game. This just smells of desperation
There were lots of movies pre endgame that sucked toast. Iron Man 3, Thor 2, several Hulks.
@@mikearchibald744only one of the hulk films counted, 2008, and that movie definitely wasn’t bad. It was better than anything else hulk related we got in the mcu lmao
@@oldylad Well I could list other marvel mvovies but I'm sure you'll agree there were pre endgame ones that sucked, which is my point. There's no doubt their odds slippped further after.
But it was hardly like that 'america' character ruined Multiverse of madness, it was just stupid through and through. She didnt help it though.
It seems like they should've treated him like Darth Vader. Get a great voice actor with a deep commanding sound, and a big tall guy to wear the suit.
^THIS! Just said this to a coworker while watching the video 😂 I was joking that the guy who played juggernaut in Deadpool 2 would have been perfect for the body double
@@Faintwolfpretty sure Ryan Reynolds played juggernaut.
@@Kharis-Ryan did the voice, not the physical movement.
@@FaintwolfEw. Dr Doom is never shown to be a giant WTF u on😂
bro you may be on to something...
Don’t get me wrong, RDJ is my favorite actor, but I feel like Marvel has become desperate and I’m pretty worried, considering they ditched the Kang storyline because Jonathan Majors got in trouble with the law and Quantumania flopped. I just hope they at least do the character justice because the previous live action adaptations of Dr Doom were underwhelming.
Speaking of underwhelming, so was Jonathan Majors’ Kang. Couldn’t stand his Planet of the Apes face too.
@@_davidboxing “planet of the apes face”💀👴🏻
unfairly fired, he didnt even do what he was accused of.
@@12thMandalorian ikr? He wrongfully got in trouble, as in when Grace clearly started it, they convicted HIM instead of her. NY judicial system is either a joke or they’re racist to black ppl.
if only they thought the solution was hiring better writers and spending more time on the movies
It’s a crime that Madd Mikkelsen was in talks with Disney to play Dr. Doom, only for them to go with Downey. They threw out what was most people’s dream casting
He was in Dr Strange 1 bro bruh😂
@@The-only-Superman-that-matters I get what you mean, but that's not the point. He may have already played a character in another Marvel movie, but so did RDJ. The argument that he couldn't play Doom because he's already appeared as another character doesn't make any sense.
Why couldn't they just hire Cilian Murphy for that part? He would've ABSOLUTELY nailed it. Or maybe he'll indeed play Doom but in the future once the MCU has been rebooted
I was hoping that Deadpool & Wolverine would break the multiverse and introduce the X-Men to the MCU. Neither of those happened. Marvel is determined to drive this into the ground
Gotta love the M-She-U🥴🤣
Nah it makes sense that Deadpool & Logan are in a separate universe for now
Well... yeah cause that is literally what Secret Wars is for. People keep acting like it hasn't been known for ages that the phase after Avengers 6 is when we'll get the X-Men reboot.
@@goji253we'll be old, dead or be tired of the MsheU before that happens 😂The MCU X-Men should've happened after Endgame. Without the over thinking of how mutants go their X Gene(powers). They could've used Thanos' snap as a short cut😊
A friend said "RDJ is coming back as soon as he wins an Oscar" 😆
He was right.
The only way this doesn’t completely fumble is if DOOM is just using sorcery to appear like Earth-199999’s greatest hero and pull some strings.
There are so many things wrong with the MCU right now that should be an easy fix: focus on their characters and tell their stories the right way. RDJ shouldn't have been brought back as anyone but an Iron Man variant. Him as Doom makes absolutely no sense, no matter how you twist it.
Yeah, Agreed. Him as doom just on the face of it... really doesn't seem right.
He should've come back as Superior IronMan. I.E. Villain Tony Stark.
Honestly, you can’t say it doesn’t make sense yet because we haven’t heard the explanation.
It does feel a bit like a panic nostalgia choice but we’ll really have to wait and see before figuring out if it works and if it makes sense. Plenty of amazing creative decisions have been made out of desperation (and plenty of awful ones)
Once it comes out and we have the explanation I’d suggest we’re either going to be very happy or feel a little conned
@MrEwragg I don't think anything they come up with will convince me that a Tony Stark-looking variant of Doom will have been the better choice over a properly casted original Doom as the first MCU introduction to the character. But you're right-- maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But I doubt it.
@@TheGreatMattao I think that’s fair. What I would say though, is that it’s also very likely he will be the best screen adaptation of doom to date. It just so happens that the bench mark is very low
Last year, Guardians 3 reminded people why they loved the MCU in the first place and Deadpool & Wolverine is already breaking records, I don't understand why Marvel feels the need to be desperate right now.
It’s not the only reason but there is the fact that the man in charge of the beloved Guardians 3 did such a good job that he’s now in charge of their #1 competitor probably contributed.
Tbh the only memorable MCU projects post endgame have been guardians 3, loki , spiderman no way home, wandavision(besides the last episode), and deadpool & wolverine. although that is an upwards trajectory considering majority of those are semi recent
Bc almost everything after Endgame sucks, especially she hulk, and secret wars🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
GOTG3 is not really as successful as fans make out to be... It got lower box office with higher budget than GOTG2. (GOTG2 and GOTG3 release six years difference)
The announcement was before D&W release.
@@IVMZR I kind of hated Guardians of the galaxy, marvel does these cheap emotiional plot points to manufacture empathy rather than doing good storytelling and writing. The movies all now move like amusement park rides. I haven't seen Deadpool but kind of thought the other movies were stupid and he's basically just doing Ace Ventura. I liked Captain Marvel more than the deadpool movies, and it looks the same as the Flash and about three multiverse movies. But different strokes for different folks. Not sure I get all the talk, people DO know its a BUSINESS right? "Doing it for the money"...yeah no kidding, its a BUSINESS not a charity.
"New mask, same task" sums up why RDJ is the wrong choice!
It's NOT superhero fatigue. It's CRAPPY superhero movie fatigue
People complain when they bring something back but hate when it left, it’s part of life 😤
Dr.Doom would have been the right time to introduce "Cillian Murphy" into Marvel Universe... He would have perfectly embodied Doom as a charector !! 😅
Not a bad pick yeah
Why does Doom need to be played by a 60 year old?
Cillian Murphy could’ve played Doom perfectly
Murphy is white not romani
@@nalday2534 So is Downey 😭 Marvel dgaf about the actor being the same race as Doom
Cillian Murphy Fits perfect into the role,... He has great personality and a deep voice that would make him the best!!
Marvel missed there shot,...😣
@@nalday2534You know that Stan Lee's parents were Romanian, right? Romani is a variation of white, much like how Slavic is.
@@theserpent8667 And Downey isn't that. He doesn't look like that. So exactly, what will he face racial persecution for since it's one of the primary things that defines Doom as a character?
3:22 superhero fatigue isn't real. If they changed things up people would love it. That's what invincible did
That show fell off hard after season 2 tho
I was really confused by this casting choice. I mean, wouldn’t they want a villain like Dr. Doom to be a reappearing threat throughout the films? Doom’s got everything: genius-level intellect, armored suits that give any of Iron Man’s designs a run for their money, wealth, sorcery skills that credibly rival Dr. Strange’s, full control over his own country and all the diplomatic immunity that comes with it, and a compelling tragic backstory.
I feel he would’ve worked a whole lot better as the “next Thanos” and the new overarching villain of the MCU. Unlike Kang, I can actually see Doom as being able to go toe to toe with, and perhaps even defeat, heavy hitters like Scarlet Witch, Thor, and Captain Marvel. I think he’d also work a whole lot better as being the “David Xanatos” type of villain who prioritizes intelligence and “backup plans for their backup plans” over physical might but is still MORE THAN capable of throwing down against any opponent when he needs to. Doom would be practically unstoppable if it wasn’t for his grudge against Mr. Fantastic that’s Eobard Thawne levels of pettiness. Though his petty grudge against Reed has always made sense of course; Doom’s a narcissist incapable of admitting to having made a mistake, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the very personal matter of trying to find a way to communicate with his beloved mother.
While I'm curious about this, from a story-building perspective I'm pretty shocked they didn't just recast Kang and keep moving. Characters get recast in long-running series all the time. If you're worried about how different the actor is, make up some shit about how the multiverse reincarnated him because of timeline energy flux blabbity-blah. Most people wouldn't even blink. It's a problem fixable in a writer's room over an afternoon.
Exactly!
Majors had a contract that only he could play Kang.
I am hoping against all hope that it is some kind of a trojan horse. Doom enters the MCU using Tony Stark's appearance knowing full well that it would disarm some of the strongest Avengers.
It took me a few minutes to process that this wasn’t Marvel trolling like they usually do. Honestly, a better and even PERFECT idea to bring him and other actors back would be to bring the Supreme Intelligence back! The Supreme Intelligence takes the appearance of whoever the viewer admires meaning they can be played by anyone! I don’t care that Carol killed them. We’re in the Multiverse era; they can have their own variant. Maybe they know they’re doing and it’s not desperate. We have two more years to figure it out
He died a hero and also lived long enough to see himself become a villain.
This is such a crime against art! Doom is the best comicbook villain and Disney is using him as stunt casting, a cheap ploy to win back audiences. 😮💨😮💨😮💨
2:04 Hmm, I think even before the firing of Johnathan the MCU has been in a free fall. I don’t think Kang the character or actor would’ve helped with all the failed shows and films that came before and after him. There’s a big disconnect of fans from those projects and where this is heading imo.
I don’t think the character or the performance were all that enthralling. Even if the domestic violence stuff never came out, I think marvel would still have done away with the kang storyline.
Deadpool and wolverine proves "superhero fatigue" is not real, what is real is "bad superhero film fatigue", that we have had way too much
The exact same thing that’s happening to Star Wars. And the same thing happened to the Witcher.
I don’t even know why it’s happening. Are all the writers bad? Is it bad directors? Do the higher ups constantly change and meddle in the project making it a mess? Are the films just extremely rushed? Or do Disney just demand that they try and do the ‘safe’ thing rather than create something original because they think it’ll make more money? And if it is bad writers/directors who’s decision is it to hire these people and why do they keep doing it? Nepotism?
You’d think the idea of ‘good film = better for company’ would be simple, but at some stage they keep messing everything up and I have absolutely no clue why.
@@BananaWasTaken yeah it's hard to say why it's happening, especially for us that are outside of hollywood. but i think it's that movies are making more money than eve, and the huge success of a few have caused a gold rush for executives / investors who want to repeat that success. the problem is they don't understand why it was successful in the first place - because they don't actually like they movies, they just like the money they make.
they attribute it to things like branding, marketing, famous actors. they cannot see quality, and don't think it's an important part of success. they aren't trying to make good movies, they are trying to make profitable movies. marketing has such a big impact on the success of the movies that they most likely blame marketing for the failure of a movie rather than the quality.
i honestly dont see it changing any time soon. when the person in charge of the whole production only cares about making money, it's never going to result in something great.
the only time it turns out great is when they're trying to do something that's never been done before - iron man was an attempt at making an unknown character popular and launching a series of connected movies, and avengers were trying to tie together a big team of super heroes into one. now that both have been done, they don't need to prove anything, they just want to repeat it. the first star wars movies were great because they were trying to be groundbreaking. the rest were mediocre because they were trying to recapture the success of the originals. they focus so much on trying to make them success and appealing to a wide group, that it ends up being appealing to no one.
whenever you focus on success instead of execution, you get something mediocre.
Man do you guys even watch the video? He said this point about Deadpool and Wolverine already.
@@BananaWasTaken I think it's about risk. Movies, especially superhero movies have such bloated budgets they HAVE to make a profit or the studio is in trouble. This makes the studios risk averse, and forces writers and directors to play it safe, ironically leading to bad and/or boring movies filled with nostalgia bait that fewer and fewer people are interested in seeing.
@@hititwithit oh yeah that makes a lot of sense
I hope they make Doom stays in his mask because i hate it when you give a character a cool helmet or mask they just never put it on. Doom is a very serious character god I hope they don't make him do quirky one liners
I want to live in the timeline where the MCU & DCU are actually LIKE the comics, i.e. different actors and directors doing their own versions of the characters, some getting multiple movies to do bigger stories, but most just being one-shots where different people get their chance to tell their versions of the stories.
Yes! And not every threat / villain has to be "world ending". It's not like after you save the world/ universe smaller threats just don't exist. The best storylines focus on character development, not on the scale of the villain's threat.
To me it only works if there’s a logical, exciting story reason for them to look the same. We’ve seen variants of all sorts at this point, but I need Doom to use this to his ADVANTAGE
My favourite part is when Dr Doom starts rapping
I want to see doom in action but he got to nail it on point
Good to see that the greatest filmmakers of our time are in the comments section here. This is unbelieveable. The opinions of these peopl are highly valuable I'm sure...
(RDJ leaves the MCU)
Disney: "It was good while it lasted"
(RDJ wins the Oscar)
Disney: "Would you like to come back?"
I think you're also leaving out the fact that the movies aren't making as much money, haha
@@Nerdstalgic Knowing that Disney uses anything to capitalize on their stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they brought him back because of his Oscar win
At least, that's why I believe they ensured Chloe Zhao and Nomadland's victory, considering the movie is from Fox and that Disney just acquired it
I don't think it's about winning him Oscar
They should've been calling Julian McMahon. This is just to cash in!
My theory is that Downey is just a stand-in/variant, the real Doom will appear in Secret Wars (someone they probably haven't casted yet, maybe Cillian Murphy idk.)
PLEASE let this be right! 😩
I really wanted it to be Cillian Murphy. I think he could have done a magnificent Doom.
This is definitely done out of desperation (to gain traction etc.), however it can still be executed well.
There are so many ways they can approach this casting, they just need to not do any bad ones.
And depending how they adapt Doom, RDJ is very much capable to play him.
Because we literally have zero info, we have basically no idea how they’ll do it.
One I wouldn’t mind is if as a baby of a child, bla bla bla, gets kidnapped or family caught in accident, and he gets adopted. Therefore while technically a variant of Tony, is really just Victor but with extra steps. And could be used to make the stakes clear to the audience who may not know much about him. Everyone knows how smart Stark is so imagine fighting him.
Thanos took many films to build up. If done like this, Doom would also have been ‘built up’, as in, we know what kind of threat he can posses (as an audience not knowledgable with the comics).
One of the most important, maybe the most important one, is that they need the acting and writing direction to be far removed from Tony Stark. At most, the only familiar element should be his intelligence and also possibly anxiety from external threats.
Doctor Doom is my favourite Marvel villain and such a complex character with a fantastic rivalry with Reed Richards (pun intended). Though I LOVE RDJ, and the man as Iron was the catalyst for starting the MCU in the beginning as a phenomenal actor, but nevertheless I do worry if this casting will affect how they adapt Doom since his rivalry with Reed and Latverian/Romani heritage, which are both quintessential aspects of his character. Regardless, Im willing to give this a chance and Im excited to see Doctor Doom return to the big screen again, but Im still very adamant about this casting. They could explore a solid story about Tony being his worst enemy and the biggest threat to the multiverse; since the MCU started with RDJ, it feels rather poetic that it would end with him. I do think they can touch on good themes surrounding the power of our choices, as Doom could reflect the juxtaposition of Tony's entire character arc in the MCU since Tony learned humility and what it means to make sacrifices for others because of his experience in Afghanistan and friendship with the Avengers, Doom on the other started out with nothing as a Romani peasant and lost his whole family and had to learn to fend for himself mastering both science and magic and liberating the people of his country and becoming the ruler of Latveria for the better, thus creating this god-complex in Doom and establishing an underlying sense of resentment for others if they disagree with his perspective as shown with his immense pettiness against Reed Richards fueling their iconic rivalry, so there is room for them to explore the parallels between the two. But the problem with that is that no matter how you choose to see Doom as his own character in the MCU despite being played by RDJ, you are still going to look at Doctor Doom and think of Iron Man, which is so disheartening since Doom has hardly anything to do with Iron Man as his own origin, motivation and complex and burning hatred for Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four are what makes Doom one of the most influential villains in fiction. I feel mixed about the casting since they're hyping up this movie by bringing back RDJ. Not to mention, there were better choices out there to play Doom and indeed allow the character to be their own individual villain to truly make a name for themselves, not to mention actually cast a European actor to better portray and tap into Doom's Romani heritage (some of my fan castings included Rufus Sewell, Dominic Rains, Nikolaj Costa Waldu etc...) all without the need of being tied down to a previous MCU character that completed their arc. But like I said, I'm always happy to be proven wrong since RDJ will surely do a great job. Still, since the character has been done terribly in all of his live-action appearances, and this will be the 4th time they will see the character, a lot is riding on them to truly nail Doctor Doom for a whole new generation.
Guess Harvey Dent was right: *"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"*
We just need grounded and simple movies now.......that are fun to watch........
We just know Hollywood too well. Bringing Robert Downey Jr in as Doom shows they have no faith in the script. If they did, they'd confidently hire a less famous but still competent actor to save on the budget. The solution is to rework the script, which takes time. But no no no LINE MUST GO UP FILMING MUST START IMMEDIATELY MOVIE MUST RELEASE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
I still blame AVI ARAD for the failure of the 2005s FANTASTIC FOUR
Yeah, that movie was just... not good
@@Nerdstalgic Is because of him that Borderlands tanked
Me too! Who is Avi Arad?...
I blame him for everything since Gambit's terrible plastic trenchcoat on the '92 figure
@@Chrismw81 😂😂
The Problem is that Marvel ONLY Hired Downey for HIS face and voice, NOT for his acting talent.
IF for the whole film, and that is a BIG IF, Robert Stays under the mask, then it will probably be A decent/good movie.
But when the trailer Drops And first thing we see is Doom Unmasking himself, then its a clear sign to NOT watch the movie.
_I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude._
For those who need to make more sense of this. There is a show call the Sympathizer that just came out where RDJ plays multiple characters. I think hes actually being nominated for an Emmy for this show. Im not saying its a good excuse but Im guessing this is how Marvel is inspired by this idea.
I think Downey can give us a fresh take.
When have the Russo brothers ever let us down, they did a fantastic job ever since Winter Soldier till Endgame. (Infinity War had the best plot twist in the whole MCU till this day cannot be unmatched )
People criticised Robert Pattinson as Batman and were blown away by his acting skills and interpretation of the complex character
Downey this year just won an Oscar showing us what his capable of outside of fictional movies(Oppenheimer) Robert has a range of acting skills which have never been explored, Dr Doom is that perfect chance for him to show us exactly what he can bring
Whichever way us fans may feel I’m confident that in 2026 we will truly be amazed when he appears on the big screen.
Doom's personality is something that can't be easily replicated without coming off as cartoonish and it needs to be played seriously, which I do think RDJ has the talent, especially if you see his older movies in which he was a villain, but to say that he will give a "fresh take" is an insult to Doom.
Doom doesn't need a "fresh take". Doom is Doom!
I'm not really worried about whether or not RDJ can play Doom, I'm confident he's got the skills for it. My concern is that the MCU's writing has been overwhelmingly hit-or-miss lately, with few real hits. After the last phase I just dropped the MCU because I didn't feel engaged by it anymore. Bringing RDJ back in general screams desperation and that doesn't give me confidence that the writing will improve.
@@THETRIVIALTHINGSGiven the previous live action doom adaptations we’ve seen a good take probably would be ‘fresh’ 😂
no matter how good he'll play dr doom I still won't take him seriously
Honestly i am hoping you are right.
"Doom is no man's second choice"
-And that's why this is bad.
I don't think it is superhero fatigue as much as craptastic story fatigue.
Are we running out of actors?
Yes
Actors? No.
Ideas? Yes.
Thank you for voicing your concerns. I’m also worried about this story arc. I have the 94 movie on RUclips. I don’t care that there are still fans who don’t acknowledge that movie. It had the best Doctor Doom by far and most of the Fantastic Four looked really good too. The only one who I would cling to from the 2000s version is Michael Chicklis as The Thing who I thought did a better job of capturing his emotions in the role. This is a very desperate journey Marvel is on right now. Also as much as I like RDJ, I need to see them do something really different with him before I trust their desiccation to him right now. Given the fact that it’s so hard not to see him as Iron Man. If they give us a decent different story then I’ll give it a chance for now but otherwise I’m gonna bail out and go back to the Marvel cartoons where I know they have better stories.
yes rdj as DR DOOM makes no sense but i think the bigger problem is the amount of plot holes they have created since end game theres so many post credit scenes that make absolutely no sense as to why , who or what.
Well idk at this point. It contradicts the ending of endgame meaning that the “canon” ending never mattered. But I also blame Disney on trying to force this “multiverse” saga on us wayyyyyy too much
As much as I want to be excited, this REEKS of Desperation
I thought we were gonna get Doctor Doom
Not Doctor Downy Jr.
"RD Jr. isn‘t the type of actor to embody Doom" Well, you say that, but you have seen his range as an actor, right? If directed well, I have a lot of faith that he would be able to portray a character like Doom very well, in fact, I suspect his portrayal of Doom just might have the potential of being so incredibly unlike Stark that it‘d be very easy to tell the two apart
Robert Downey jr. was originally suppose to play dr.Doom in one of the earlier fantastic 4 movies, but didnt get the role, then later managed to get the now iconic role as Iron Man.
Robert Downey jr. owe his career and health to Marvel and Iron Man, since he was at a pretty bad spot in his life before he got the role, so i can see why he would still like to be in those movies, and he is a skilled actor, so i have no doubt that he can pull it off.
However, i do feel like this is a cynical cash grab from the big wigs, and not an honest show of love from the actor to the studio that he owes so much to.
I will sit on the fence until the movie is out, but i will not partake in any hype or hate.
I find it odd how the host pronounces the RUSSO surname. Instead of the usual RUsso, he goes with ruSSO.
Dunno, sounds weird
This casting could have been perfect if it was never announced. If we just watched the movie and eventually see him revealed as Doom that would have been absolutely insane. But now we know for sure who it is, it’s abit meh
Especially after this oversaturated multiverse saga.
But still, if I have to put my trust in anyone to do the best job it would be the Russo brother.
Cilian Murphy, Mads Mikelson, Dan Stevens, Jon Hamm, Rami Malek, Hugh Laurie, and so many more could have played this character to perfection.
No doubt that RDJ will play the crap out of any character he takes on, but it would've been nice to give someone else the spotlight, instead of returning the it to him just after 5 years.
Robert Downey is 60 and is well-known for his joky/witty characters. I'm sure with the narrative/timeline they write it could be an interesting story, but I'm also pretty sure that I will be left feeling like I didn't get a "real" Dr. Doom portrayal, which will be disappointing. All of those actors you listed would've been much better options for me as well.
You Either Die A Hero Or Live Long Enough To See Yourself Becomes A Villain Lol RDJ Did Both
RDJ Is The Face Of MCU
That whole case is completely ridiculous.
*I said before, I say it again, and I'll say it even after the film, this is the worst decision Marvel made*
Ben Affleck sucked as Batman
Also a terrible person
If they don’t show his face 90% of the time, then I don’t think it will be all that bad. I just wish some other actor could have gotten a chance.
So many actors who can play live action doom. Rdj gives me worry that this will be worst than kang
SAME, he's a GREAT actor. He's just not... what Doom requires.
@@Nerdstalgic Cillian Murphy dude,... He would have been the best for doom !! 😖
I don't care what anyone says, the FF (2005) was a great film and Dr. Doom looked great. Its a new trend watche, recycling actors to play other superheros. Hugh Jackman is coming back as Apocalypse, why not? 🙄 Its all about money and playing it safe, i understand. Why not find a brilliant actor unknown or uo and coming actor to play Dr. Doom. Rdj is brilliant,but he must be bored because he defo doesn't need the money?? Why else would he do it. They should have rdj comeback as Tony as Doom, or come back as Tony in someway.
Did everyone forget that Robert Downey Jr. can actually ACT, like, pretty good? And has a little bit of range? Tony Stark wasn't cast as Doom, RDJ was.
Honestly if he keeps the mask on the whole time it might not even matter. They just don’t have to tie him into Tony stark
I can't wait to see him as Doom. He fits the character well and is a peak actor
what was working in the past? STORYTELLING, TIME, CARE, LOVE, GOING THE LOOONG WAY.
So we are just going to completely overlook the fact that all they said is- “one ONE of the people who COULD play Dr Doom?
I think the original MCU worked because there weren’t so many people critiquing the MCU as the MCU was happening, and because we didn’t have a standard to be met like we do now after Infinity War & Endgame.
At the beginning of the video, the clip says “you can’t win,” and that’s how Marvel must be feeling right about now, with everyone criticizing things before they even happen. Before the announcement, I’d heard over & over that they shouldn’t have gotten rid of RDJ or Chris Evans, now they bring back RDJ & again the fans are complaining about that.
They can’t please everyone, and they should focus on making something good, but they also need to pay attention or social media might bury the movie before it even releases.
They can’t win.
you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain guess bro did both
I'm afraid best thing about Dr. Doom becoming an oneliner in a future Deadpool movie
Dropping a video to say you think RDJ cant act is absolutely wild.
I'm not feeling RDJ as Doom, not gonna lie. Doom is supposed to be menacing, terrifying even, way more than other Marvel villains. Juggernault, Taskmaster, Kingpin and even Hydra are just "tuesday" for the Avengers and F4. But Doom? When his name comes up, EVERYONE gets serious. He's almost like Darkseid from DC in that regard, and I don't think RDJ can deliver such "aura".
Would love to be proven wrong tho.
Thought they made it pretty clear that the multiverse allows for a VVD that looks like stark without being stark
It's a firework display that spells out "we're out of ideas"
I'll be frank: if this is not Victor Von Doom, if this is not Dr. Doom the way the character is meant to be portrayed, I'm never watching another Marvel project again. I'll give up, plain and simple.
Nobody cares
I'm worried they'll rush Doctor Doom's build up and completely throw away what we had already invested in the Kang storyline. Kang was the easiest character to recast and they didn't do it
I think they were looking for an excuse to make a u-turn on the character either way.
The controversy was just a very convenient excuse
I disagree that this undercuts Endgame. By that logic it’s already been undercut by Chris Evans showing up in Deadpool and Wolverine. It’s the multiverse, he’s a different character🤷♂️
Chris Evans’ return was a cameo for shits and giggles. I mean… didn’t he get instantly killed off? They’re trying to sell RDJ’s version of Doom as something as big as Thanos was for the Infinity Saga.
I'm shocked that Multiverse of Madness came before an adaptation of Triumph and Torment.
This could've been the perfect introduction for DOOM.
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Dr. Doom is always a physically imposing character in the comics and is anything but lighthearted about how he does things. Robert Downey is 60 and is usually a joky/witty character. Maybe it can be an interesting storyline, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to feel like I didn't get the "real" Dr. Doom as a cost of this narrative choice. Which is disappointing. They could've gone with a young new actor, but they are playing it safe to not mess with the IP and it's going to result in another "could have been great" scenario.
all the people that could’ve got that role instead of RDJ
David Alpay - FROM TV Series
Penn Badgley - Margin Call (Movie)
Jared Padalecki - Supernatural TV Series
Rupert Friend - Hitman Agent 47 (Movie)
Jamie Campbell - Stranger Things
In a universe where Stark couldn't rid himself of the name 'Tony Stank' that Rodey gave him at the end of Civil War; Victor Von Doom was born!
I'll be cringing in my seat when Robert Downey jr adresses his fellow Latverian citizens with a thick New York accent. What a shitshow.
Okay, I have a theory.
What if by saying "we are discovering the possibilities of multiverse, so there's one man who could play Victor Von Doom" they meant that RDJ is going to be one of the variants of Dr. Doom? Like he's just one person who could play him, but not the main one? And the main actor for this role is still a secret?
Well, I guess we'll see.
I’ve never heard someone outright doubt RDJs ability to pull off a character. This is a dude that played a dude disguised as another dude. 😂
Peter Parker gonna be devastated when he sees Doctor Doom in the future 😂😭😭