A Fish in Winterfell // Catelyn Stark III // A Game of Thrones Podcast // Obsidian Nights
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2020
- Game of Thrones is completed But A Song of Ice and Fire is in full swing and on the Obsidian Nights Podcast, We go thru Chapter by Chapter doing Deep Dives into the Text! In Todays Episode, Catelyn III We are in the brain of Catelyn Stark as she picks up the pieces of what is now Winterfell without her daughters Arya and Sansa and her husband Eddard Stark! While she deals with her grief her son is attacked by someone who doesn't want him to wake up! Thanks for Watching!
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Robb: "Mother, he needs you! He's turning wild!"
Catelyn: "What's a Rickon??"
Also, Cats relationship with her sister is insane. They were together allll the time and Cat never once realized Lyssa was pregnant.
I'd also suggest that Jon is far more politically astute while he's at the wall.
Hahaha
Walys Flowers is the son of an Arch Maester and a Hightower girl. He's been sailing around on the shy maid.
😂😂
@@lanestapp2 The pregnancy aspect is, I think, avoided or overlooked by a large portion of the fandom. There is no way in hell you overlook something like that if you are close enough to have a secret language. Lysa would have been shattered. Cat also hangs Ned out to dry trusting Baelish when even SHE doesn't actually trust him. Shit doesn't add up.
On the other hand, has Sansa, even once, thought about Jeyne Poole since leaving KL? Maybe it's genetic, or some kind of avoidance reaction. Sansa also doesn't think about her own complicity in things that have happened, just like her mother.
I hope Jeyne spills everything to the North, and Sansa gets slapped with Exile. It won't be much longer until she can. I'd be curious what LF would do in that situation, since Sansa becomes useless to him other than as a Cat proxy.
I had such a great time just reviewing Cat as a character. She is flawed, she is smart, she trusts, she fails, she regrets, she loves, she hurts... so grey and so interesting. Looking so forward to seeing LSH in Winds. Thanks so much for inviting me on this cast, Lady Gray!!!
I think the sleeping for 4 days was foreshadowing for stoneheart being resurrected. I believe in the past people believed the spirit left the body 4 days after dying. When Cat wakes up on the 4th day she is a new person. Stoneheart was brought back on the 3rd day before her spirit left. Could be the same for Jon.
Bull's eye my Brada
Great take, hadn’t thought of this.
My Lady, you bless us with thy tea once more
Lady Gray always serves juice. 😉
@@opalrose3014 true dat
I feel like the Riverlands have a culture very close to nature because of their funeral practices. So it is possible that the Tully’s had some children of the forest blood but their ways were lost to them like the Targaryens knowledge on hatching dragons.
I really like the idea of the wolves howling to guide Bran's spirit back to them, and so to his body.
I know Preston Jacobs is often not taken seriously in this fandom, but in his genetics series (I think the last video) he does connect house Whent with magical bloodlines.
Yeah, like GRRM is basically stating that humans have been focused on the male side of blood and most fans been focused totally on the stark bloodline for the magical inheritance but ignoring the most likely influence of Catelyn
"I wonder if Cat has like some force sensitivity" and I suddenly flash back to Preston and his genetics videos. I think The Warg genes come from the Tully's too according to him! lolol
Lady Stoneheart is Catelyn raw. I love that. It's the truth. Like you both say, Catelyn has always had darkness and a potential for violence in her. Stoneheart is her with all of her polish, warmth, cultural values, and softness stripped away from her. We see a shade of that in this particular chapter with her willingness to go head to head against the assassin and how hyperfocused she can be in her grief. In her later chapters, she also doesn't shy away from violence or extreme measures.
I am wondering if all the times "music" and "singing" appears that is NOT connected to an instrument or human it is actually a "sign" of the Children of the Forest". Catelyn hearing the "music" in the howling could refer to the messages the Children are sending. Also I think it was Bridge 4 who theorised that the Children had put Catelyn in a trance to NOT leave Brans side because they knew the Catspaw was coming.
So the question is can the Children control people thru their music? It is not fully skin changing them but using them almost like puppets. The way the howling/music irritates Catelyn is reminiscent to a lesser degree of the anguish a host who has been skin changed. Then Summer licking the blood off her hands like --- jojen paste
Yo 😂 homegirl’s “restraining order” comment against Joe Magician
Forget Will and Jada; this is the REAL tea
You damn right
i've been consistently looking forward to these ever since you & quinn announced you were starting. you're great at keeping the discussion focused & every episode is really thought provoking. please keep up the great work, love this series!
Great video, I really liked Yigrette her view on Catelyn. Catelyn is also one of my faves.
She's not one of my faves, though she gets a *lot* of undeserved sh*t from a *lot* of channels.
Thx. I enjoyed being part of a conversation that was just about Cat the character and not about whether or not we like her.
Ygritte Targaryen I like all The characters And plots. There are a few negative video’s about Cat, so with my last reread I was more sceptic And felt like there was something wrong with het. But actually I liked her as much as before. I really think your positive way of viewing her was really fresh, thank you!
I don't even like Cat she's flawed as all of the characters. But man do people blame her for everything
Always assumed Cats pre-occupation with protecting Bran was being influenced by Bloodraven, especially the way she "literally" wakes up one morning and all is good, she's done as much as she can for Bran and decides to head to Kings Landing.
I feel like this *could* have something to do with it, and the theory isn't without merit, though a mother's preoccupation with protecting her sick child (and staying with him to the point that she's not eating and neglecting her other children), is completely believable and natural on its own. Bloodraven doesn't have to have *anything* to do with it.
Love the excuses people come up with to cover for her obvious favoritism.
@@RizztrainingOrder They might lie (and so they *should* haha), but most parents have a favourite child. Cersei's was Joffrey (just adding one clear example from the books, though obviously real-life is what I'm generally referring to).
Keep it up GrayArea!! Love the deep dives and your ability to talk us through every detail!
If we were in ASOIAF I would swear my steel to your service milady🗡️
I had a hard time with the "mother" losing all of her children and being stricken with grief...... When she clearly abandoned her youngest most vulnerable child...... Especially when he is an heir to winterfell and all the other heirs are in possible jeopardy.... As the last true born Stark he should have been protected.
I can't disagree with you too much, though it is a *very* common - albeit tragic - circumstance in real life, in which one child dies or is close to death, and any other, living children are ignored and essentially neglected. This also happens with severely disabled children, whose siblings are neglected. It sucks, though it's not rare, and you can't hate Cat *too* much for it.
@@made-line7627 Rickon wasn't disabled or ill unless you assume his warging or wildness was perceived as mental illness
Yeah...made little sense.
@@made-line7627 I agree mothers can focus on sick child and neglect others but she wasn't focusing on bran anymore. She left to go to kings landing and even after meeting up with Rob she had many chances to go home or make arrangements for the little ones. She was to focused on Rob winning so they could get the girls back she didn't consider bran and rickon.
He wasn’t her most vulnerable though. Bran was clearly her most vulnerable child. She’s supposed to be a regular woman with four kids, she can’t be there for everything. It wouldn’t have been emotionally realistic for her to be there for Rickon when her other son is comatose, most parents would prioritise the sick child over the healthy.
Still missing the hype of GoT every now and then. I remember watching all of grey area and other RUclips reviews about GoT, but as Kristoffer Hivju said, "Great things ends, even game of thrones".
I just hope that GRRM will come up to the conclusion with the final book.
Also hoping that you're all safe and healthy specially this trying times of the covid19 pandemic, oh.. We can actually correlate this pandemic to winter, trying and difficult time for all of us.
As a writer, I can honestly tell that George simply is not interested in completing HIS work anymore, and that truly saddens me. You have to understand, once you begin to write a series that is planned to span on for several novels, you have to make it your goal for it to be finished, one way, or the other.
The series of novels I have begun to write, all of them have their planned endings and I am invested in each new series I begin, it is unacceptable for me to simply begin to write a new series, while leaving the other one behind, because I know that by doing that, I will let down all of those men and women who have decided to invest their precious time on this earth in reading the worlds of fiction I have created.
George, this is an advice from a beginning, young, and still learning writer: If you do not have it in you to complete your work, then pass on the torch to someone you might see fit to do so, before it becomes too late...
Hey! Love your podcast. Your guest at one point wonders what happens to Wylas Flowers. Order of the Greenhand bring up in a theory video how they believe that Haldon Halfmaester who travels on the Shy Maid with Faegon is actually Wylas Flowers. The theory is more complex but they had some evidence and stipulations to back it up
It's funny how Catelyn tells Ned that Robert isn't the same man he was when they were kids, yet she acts as if Petyr and Lysa are the same as they were when she was a kid! Drives me nuts!
Human flaws
Awesome grey this is addictive thanks
I think Summer licked the blood from Catelyn's hands simply because he's bonded with Bran, and he knows she's Bran's mother. It could be in her scent, maybe relatives have a similar smell. Or it could be as simple as Summer running in and seeing Catelyn fighting to protect his young master, and in his mind that cemented her place as a part of 'his pack'. He wasn't just saving Bran, or he would have ignored her completely and only checked on him. But that's just what I got out of it.
Love your podcasts Gray Area, I always look forward to your content.
I feel for Catelyn Stark as she grieved for Bran and the safety of her family, she made some mistakes and I hate how she treated Jon (Ned could've stood up for Jon and told Cat that she couldn't treat him like that, if he can stand up for Ashara Dayne then he couldve stood up for his nephew), but other than that she seemed like a decent woman. She made some rash decisions but that's how mother's would act when they feel like their family in danger and in later books she tried to warn Robb and she gave him good advise, it was Robb who chose not to listen and I don't get Catelyn crap for releasing Jaime to get her daughter's in return. I would've done the same in her position.
Thank you. So many people seem to hate Catelyn more than Cercie.
Like Tywin was a monster that actively neglected his children and traumatized Tyrion but Cats the evil lady became she was mean to Jon, and made some dumb decisions, Like WHAT?!?
Wisdom Manari' no one likes Cersei. Catelyn was ok. But as a person who had a stepmother who made me feel alone in a house that had lived my whole life and she met me in that house, I was their before her... just can’t like Catelyn.
Yeah, I think it's pretty shit that Ned was *such* a pussy that he couldn't even stand up for Jon. Obviously it was a sore point between the two, though as you said, he stood-up-for and put his foot down for Ashara Dayne, so grow some f*cking balls and be like "Cat, I love you. You're my lady and the mother of my trueborn children, whom I love with all my heart. But Jon is *also* my son, and he is just a child, a child who loves his siblings as they love him. Take your anger out on me, not him. I brought him here. He did not bring himself. You will treat him as you would treat any other child."
Yadda yadda.
@@made-line7627 yes!!! This is the one thing I didn't like about Ned, the way he stood back and let Catelyn treat Jon that way when Jon is just a child who didn't choose his parents and shouldn't have to pay the price.
@@wisdommanari6701 yeah lol and I don't get how some people lime Cersei more than Catelyn, Cersei is a Mad woman who just hates anyone for no real reason and seeks vengeance on them for no good reason, Catelyn as mean as it was to treat Jon that way is just a woman who hated seeing the daily reminder of what she was told was her husband's affair.
Absolutly the best channel out here. If I need my opinion on anything GOT this channel is where I go. Keep rockin
The relationship the Stark kids have to their dire wolves seems to parallel the relationship the Targaryen kids develop with their dire wolves... As the relationship grows, kid/animal tend to lean on each other and support each other... like they share life energy somehow. Bran, tho, really is in a coma... a coma dream... He's in Bran's body... and in his dream... but he given all that he lost, he needs a reason to live. Until the coma dream comes to completion... he's living for the sake of his dire wolf... it's like the will of the wolf is keeping him alive until he finds a more compelling reason. In his coma dream it's spelled out... why he has to live... because "Winter is coming"... and then he names his dire wolf "Summer"... in order to oppose the great other.... whom I think is named "Winter" simply because of the juxtaposition. It seems to me that "Winter" is terrible horrible creature that Bran gets a glimpse of in his dream - perhaps the "nameless other".
I’ll never be first lol. But I’m damn sure hype!!! Love your content @grayarea!!!
Thank you!!
hi ladies loved you both together i was just going to say her mom is a whent ....haronhold has so many old nan stories lol i believe wallis flowers is haldon half master and cat doesn't trust the riverrun maester they are new and and when she asked who tansy was he replied a women who fixed shoes and she said no her name was violet so i think she is suspicious of all but not sure was not of lewin except he was with her and rob ever since she left the south
Ah well I see that this is another Cat video. This'll be fun.
So, cat sent sir Roderick to talk to the Master at Arms. Little finger has the goldclokes intercept him and bring him to the brothel he wasn't trying to go see Littlefinger she was brought to him
Loving your Obsidian Nights series! Another awesome video! Great content ❤️
Catelyn Stark is to Lady Stoneheart as Harvey Dent is to Two Face
Thank you Gray, you always leave me intrigued!!!
Really like her POV chapters towards the end, in the rain traveling to the Twins, reflecting on her fears, her paying attention to Grey Wind when Rob was distracted.
Your theory about the howling is very interesting, Gray! I like the idea that Bran is lost from his body and needs to be called back. Also, I doubt the glass candles were burning during GoT because the dragons were not yet born. ALSO ALSO I did message you on Twitter Gray, did you get it? I'm PinkLemonBrett :)
Cat's intuition is Brad's echoe's through tha weirwood's I'm just saying .Loved it grey like always juiced once again mi lady.
Living for this podcast right now! Get it girl!
I absolutely Wanna get on your podcast :) you rock
Loved this conversation. Brilliant chapter. And the artwork throughout, phenomenal. Ever think of doing a GOT - ASOIAF universal art video?
You raise a good question right at the beginning Gray; why did Ned take his steward with him? Is
n't a steward's
Isn't a steward's job to look after things in the Lord's absence. Wouldn't Poole had been serving better by staying at Winterfell and keeping the household in order, especially considering Cat's mental state.
He took him to set up his household in Kingslanding
The magic of the Riverlands is simple. It’s where the North meets the South. That melding and mixing might explain Kat’s intuition.
Excellently done... and i love you
Loving this!
Does anyone know how Oswald Whent & Catelyn's mother are related? From what I could find, it says Shella Whent(who apparently married to her brother?) had four sons and one daughter, who was the daughter the tourney at Harrenhall was thrown for
I can't see the Lord of house Tully marrying an off branch of any house so does that mean Minisa is that daughter the tourney was had for!!??
Minisa was a cousin to the main branch so likely niece to Shella Whent
It's my pet theory that Lady Whent, and possibly the Darrys, are hiding out on the god's-eye, possibly waiting for fAegon or Danny
the catspaw was a nod to catelyns death
Totally agree w your guest. Lady SHs end will close Catelyn s Arc. Catelyn s story its not done yet.
I loved this discussion !
I love this podcasts!
If Catelyn was controlled by the 3 Eyed Raven that means Lady Stoneheart (Death) is controlled by the Night King. Even-though we do not see him yet there is a preview of his motives.
Wonderful content and insights as usual! Your voice is soothing and pleasant, and you must be from Philly (or somewhere near there) by the way you say water, lol, don’t change it tho I LOVE it!!!
This sounds like a podcast. I literally feel like I am listening to the radio. 😁 Nice!
I love this, gems where drop in this video
WTF, why did I miss the notification for this 🔔🤔😭
23:12 Jayne Westerling’s family*
Thx.. That was me talking to fast
I feel like Arya does have a lot of cat in her , when someone wrongs them, they both seek vengeance and doesn’t let anything or anyone get in there way. I think Arya has her moms spirit
Lady Gray bringing us the JUICE
I have a theory that Cat is gonna pass on the flame of life to one of the Stark children, it would be a really interesting way to end her story - giving herself for her family
3:26 that is LITERALLY called figuratively... they FIGURATIVELY go right into the lions mouth.
One interesting thing about House Went is that Cat's blood guarded the tower of joy, for the Son she couldn't stand.
Summer licking cats hand is foreshadowing to the aftermath of the red wedding when he drags her out of the river
I could be wrong.. but as I recall 9th grade biology lmao in most DNA traits to be passed down there are dominant and recessive alleles which contribute to your personal traits and as I remember the mechanics I see magic as being a recessive trait because it isn’t very prevalent around Westeros so to give the trait of magic you would need to pass the recessive allele from both father and mother to the child and in the case of the stark children they all possess magical traits which means the parents at least posses one allele of the recessive magic trait to be able to pass it along so catelyn does have the magic gene in her DNA which could be the reason she is able to tap into a hyper sensitive almost magic like sense of danger.. but again I could be totally wrong 😂
I didn’t do biology at school so I might be way off hear but if you look at blood raven albino so recessive gene and look at how much magic that dude could do... awnser is a lot !
Also magic bloodlines on both his mother and fathers side
So.... People that say everything is Cats fault are kinda reductionist in their logic and they forget that the inciting incident really was her sister whom She loves and trusts sending a letter saying her husband was killed by the Lannisters.
They ignore the fact that Lewin convince Jon to join the wall.
They take autonomy and agency from all the other characters. Things like Ned Telling Cercie he knew about the incest, Robb breaking the oath to marry a Frey.
Like people say that her taking Tyrion started the war but Robert was still Alive, Tywin hell even Jamie (who was in the city with the King) could have petitioned the king for his release. They don't talk about Jamie tossing bran out of the window. Granted Seizing Tyrion was a public action.
She loves and trusts... A crazy sister. Family love and all, everyone can and should be able to see and admit the crazy.
@@orphanedhanyou oh I agree but if we had intelligent or intuitive characters, our story couldn't happen
Hey so real talk, Do People truly think that Robb could have Taken the twins by intimidation or force and still have an army large enough to fight the war?
I've seen a few people say that Cat was dumb for Negotiating with the Freys because they're their Bannermen but The Tullys haven't been treating the freys very well. Walder Frey has said that they have been disrespecting him and his family wanting nothing to do with them. And this goes back even before the trident.
If you treat people like crap shouldn't expect things from when you need a favor. I feel like the show did the Freys a disservice. they are not cheap they have are very wealthy, they are one of the most powerful houses in the Riverland they do have negotiating power they gave Rob 4,000 men and still had plenty of men left to hold the twins.
We saw Robb negotiating with his Lord's before they left for war. Even Renly talked about his followers wanting wealth or glory or a new castle. Hell Ned only married Cat herself to get the Tully army for his war.
Someone please enlighten me.
great great podcast ( i don't recall many things you say here)
Haha, this comment is great 👏🏻
Catlyn is crazy like her sister. Just a lower level of crazy.
Naah
Agreed, she admitted she didn't even know Ned let alone love him at the beginning but is extremely hurt, heartbroken, and jealous that Ned fathered a bastard?! Her real self that was there all along emerged in the form of Stoneheart,
@@RizztrainingOrder To be honeslt it did seem Hella disrespect to appear to bring your love child home to young wife. He held the "bastard" before his actual first born son.
@Sarcastic Sid in a certain light it could be seen as hella honorable
@@RizztrainingOrder Not to a Tully...
I can't wait to get home so I can watch it.
Juice time!!!
GA!!!
She is not a stark by blood but she incubated the blood of a stark in her body five times! She bore five stark children.. could in some small way Kat retain some of the magic of their blood ?
Blood of my blood style?
Lady kat still thought little finger was 🐱 whipped
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Sansa and her upset tummy must have inherited a little of that Cat intuition!
Tasha hmmm. My next research project!
I feel like Gray is slowly warming up to Catelyn in these re-reads but can't acknowledge it 😂
Gray Lady returns
I love you, Gray♡♡♡♡
See Demeter’s rage in the Homeric Hymn, a mother goddess whose maiden goddess daughter is kidnapped after Zeus gives permission for the marriage without Demeter or daughter’s knowledge. Then, when she learns the truth, she finds a little mortal boy to care for, plans to make him an immortal surrogate son, and her plans are dashed. What does she do? Starts the process of Killing the whole world by sitting alone in her temple in grief and making the whole world wilt until Zeus bring back her baby girl. What will Stoneheart do if her daughters are restored to her? I do not know. But we’re in the phase of killing the whole world due to maternal grief and rage right now.
Still not sold on Joffrey being the one who hired the assassin. Although he it's the Prince of the Seven kingdoms. He is still a boy. Where does he get these contacts to hire contract killers? Also besides being a sociopath what reason does he have to have Bran killed? Feel like this was another secret ploy of Littlefinger
It’s confirmed on the World of Ice and Fire app. But he did it because he overheard Robert saying it would be a mercy. Tyrion figures it out in a Storm of Swords
@@GrayArea Tyrion was drunk and his logic was piss poor. Joffrey wanted to kill Summer. He didn't care about Bran as he was dying quietly. In fact, The Hound offered to kill bran and Joffrey denied him.
We never see The Prince in text wanting Roberts approval. It's a hearsay from Cersei from and we know she's a liar.
It was probably Mance Rayder. We know Wildings kill children as a mercy and he even says that he had a bag of silver with him when he came to Winterfel.
Forget calling Gray "My Lady" she is now my "Grace".
"Lady Grey" FTW
Rob is hot headed like his father...Brandon.
Rob being Brandon bastard Theory it makes no sense time wise, and it's just more Catelyn hate.
"And when Brandon was murdered and Father told me I must wed his brother, I did so gladly, though I never saw Ned’s face until our wedding day. I gave my MAIDENHOOD to this solemn stranger and sent him off to his war and his king and the woman who bore him his bastard, because I always did my duty."
A Clash of Kings Chapter 45
Remember that Brandon traveled from the Riverlands to Kingslanding, Then he was imprisoned. Then Rickard was summoned to court to ransom him. Then they were all executed. This is all before Aerys sent the Raven Demanding Ned's and Roberts head, and Ned even left the Vale.
Brandon went by horse from River Run so it took him at least a few weeks To get there. If Rickard took a boat from white harbor he's still looking at another three week's because of travel time from Winterfel. So then they are held and executed. Thats a least a month to a month and a half right there. Ned then traveled across the Vale to the sisters and was held there for a time (Remember that) at least a few days then he went on to the North by land NOT by boat so it took him weeks to get home.
Remember how long it took for Rob to muster his forces? It took weeks just for the Ravens to reach all of the castles in the North. And THEN they had to assemble at Winterfel AND THEN they made their way down south. That's bare minimum another four to six weeks right there. Also remember that the forces don't come in all at once it staggers quite a bit. It took Roberts party a month to head from Kingslanding to the North, an Army would me much much Slower than that.
By the time they make their way down to river run you would absolutely be hitting the twelve to sixteen weeks time frame. She would definitely be showing. Like we know how Hoster Tully deals with unwanted bastards. It boggles my mind that people think that Catelyn could have gotten away with carry a bastard when Her sister couldn't.
I know people bring up lady Dustin but what they forget is that the Dustin are beneath the Starks in Rank. Brandon could bang half the country side because he was the heir to the Lord paramount. But the Tullys are Equal to the Starks. Yes they're recent to the Position of Lord's Paramount but it doesn't change the fact that they are equals in the Fuedal society. That's a massive difference.
Also I know people read into "Follies of love" line Cat has when she is confronting Rob about his marriage but let's be honest she's talking about her Siezing Tyrion because of her love of her son Bran.
The second rat story seems like a preview of Nymeria with Cat(lyn) in her mouth.
She didn't care about the girls or Ned or her three old sun she just think about Bran Bran Bran like she had no one. else
Crazy how her grief caused the war of the five kings
Ever thought about doing vids on The KIngKiller Chronicles.
Walys Flowers is the Half Maester.
Lemme pick my oat milk latte.
I really enjoy your videos and guests, but the sound is really off
Weird. It sounds completely normal to me. Maybe it's the device you're using?
Catlyn could have been told in a dream a prince of lannister did it.
@GrayArea
I would have liked for Robb to get at least one POV chapter. We see Catelyn as a strong woman and one of Robb's best war advisors because that is how Catelyn sees herself and we only get her thoughts on the matter. As a result, we are inclined to take her side when she and Robb have their disagreements, and we see Robb as a sexist idiot who should swallow his pride and listen to his mother. Giving Robb a POV would have allowed us to hear his side of the story, and would have given us a different prespective on Catelyn's advice.
westerling, not poole....
Didn't Theon eat a gray rat while imprisoned by the Bolton's?
He probably ate many rats.
Maybe I should compliment you the way this lady did, last time I tried you chewed me out.
Whet?
Nah, Mance sent the 🐱🐾
And as to Summer licking her hand, I think it could very well just be Summer doing it of his own accord. Animals are very perceptive, and direwolves are supposed to be *very* intelligent, so him being a canine licking the hand of a scared, sad human, isn't odd.
All the Stark children are wargs... those that are Starks.
Catelyn carried 4 Stark children Rob-Brandon Arya/Bran/Rickon- Ned
Bran is a latent skin changer so could it be that when he was in the womb he left some of his essence behind in Catelyn. They say that there is an osmosis effect with skin changing. Bran could be controlling her like Hodor.
Nerds!
Great discussion, but I'm gonna need your homegirl to back up off the mic.. Shit. I had to keep changing the volume
I didn't know I can left comments in YT, I love that there are people arguing the books like the tv series had never happen, I hate D&D so much, I also have simpaty for Cat Tully and shes a bridge for a lot of whats going to happen latter, also I'm very drunk and english is not my first language, be kind
Baffles me that you didn't know you can comment in RUclips.
Plus, no need to hate D&D, just let them fade into the nothingness
Catelyn always made the worst choice in a situation and was as Batshit crazy as her Sister.
No wonder people dislike her chapters.
Are any of our POV characters better
Robb didn't marry Jeyne Poole! U slipping in your old age Lady Gray! I KNOW the Glass Candles started burning when Daenerys Dragons were born and the magic grows stronger as they grow.