Life is short, flip knives, fidget knives, do whatever you want. Support companies that have good warranties and if you are really worried about your knife failing carry a fixed blade. Good points all around and good for opening up discussion on the matter.
Why I agree if you fidget with one knife like crazy you can’t complain if certain things happen faster, lock bar travel, omegas what ever. I’ve had omegas break in 10 openings rat after getting them back from being replaced by BM I have others that have never broken and were used way way more. But you can get aftermarket omegas real cheap and they are slightly thicker and last a lot longer. And some other companies use really robust omegas for budget knives. So I think that’s more the argument, omegas shouldn’t break from hard use though there’s no stress on them. That all being said I love Benchmades
Myself, I think fidgeting is an important part of testing a folder to see how well the lock type holds up. I am sure, many of your Viewer's like to fidget. Not everyone needs their folders to constantly be cutting things. Some just like carrying their folders and having them for when they need them to do simple chores. Other's need them for heavy-duty cutting chores or for hunting, fishing, or other outdoors duties, like woodcrafting, whittling, or food prep. And, as a Reviewer, it's important to understand that People use knives for all sorts of tasks. And, it's the Reviewer's job to let everyone know what you feel about the knife your reviewing and to let everyone know if it can handle fidgeting and how well it will cut and carry as an EDC Folder and what tasks you feel the folder would be best at... That's my opinion. With that said, I totally agree with you on the wear issue. Especially, if your folder is a Liner-Lock or Frame-Lock without a hardened steel insert... But, most of the if other lock types available can handle fidgeting very well. I have never worn out a Tri-Ad Lock. And, yes I have broken Omega Springs, but they are easy to replace, so that's not an issue for me; Crossbar type Locks are among my favorites for fidgeting. A well made Plunge-Lock, rocks, too. The other one I need to mention is the Compression-Lock, I absolutely luv that one, too... Great Video! I absolutely loved seeing you, a Young Woman, making a Knife Video; I subscribed. :-) Happy New Year! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
Yeah people act like taking apart a knife is some massive undertaking. I never understand in knife reviews why they always mention the difficulty of taking it apart for cleaning, or how axis locks are difficult to disassemble, like the most complex folder in the world is still a relatively simple object. Maybe that's just the mechanic in me
There you go, bringing logic to the discussion. Thanks for the video on this obvious point. That said, I am on the low side on the fidget scale. If I break a spring, off to Benchmade. Easy peasy. I have plenty of knives, so a few weeks without one is no big deal. As a bonus, it will come back factory sharpened.
I can't carry a knife at work so that drastically decreases my knife fidgeting. However I really enjoy the sounds knives make and the feel of a lock engaging so I am truly a knife fidgeter. They're my tools and I'll enjoy em how I want. Great video, keep the information coming.
I appreciate a good audible “ting” as well. Do you have any favorite knives with this quality? I’m still pretty new to pocket knives and looking to try something new.
@@FreedomFox1 my Civivi Cormorant has a nice ting sound. Other Than that the best singing knives I own are all over $200 the best being the Herman Knives sting butt the cheapest at $250 would be the Maxace Babylon. Best bang for buck would have to be be kubey 0322. No ting but great sounds
@@BlazeBerger Thanks for all the great ideas. The new Civiv Cogent is supposed to have a good sound… is that the one you like, or is it the Kizer Cormorant?
@@BlazeBerger Thanks, good to know… I’ll probably grab the Cogent. One last question - do you think all-metal construction changes the sound of a knife?
Great thing about Benchmade is there warranty. Fidget away my friend Benchmade will take care of you when that spring breaks. I broke mine on my mini Griptilian and Benchmade said I can send it in and they can put a fresh edge on it and put a new spring in and clean it or they could just send me a sping. And they are not nearly as hard to maintain and disassembled as some people think they are there just not simple like liner locks. You are absolutely correct no matter how premium anything that you own is if you use it over and over and over and over again it's going to break. People need to quit bitching about their premium stuff breaking when they abused it. I thought this myself several times how many times a day do I sit here and open my Griptilian but I'm lucky mine is over two years old and it still locks up like a bank vault, no blade play left or right or up and down. Mine is in 20cv and I love it
I am a spyderco fan but to be honest the only lock that hasn’t developed play In any direction or wear after lots of opening closing and hard use are my triad lock cold steels, I have been using them for years and that’s the only lock I truly trust on a folder.
@@johnnyboy1586 same here I love my s35vn version even my old aus8 model is still rock solid, Spyderco ball bearing locks are solid also I forgot to mention I haven’t developed any play in mine after years of use, I think she needs to give the triad lock and ball bearing lock a try.
I agree, a knife is to cut stuff. Take it out of your pocket or whatever you hold it, open it, cut stuff, close it, put it back where you carry it. Done.
I’ve literally never fidgeted with my knives. They’re tools, I don’t give a shit about “fidget factor” nor will I ever especially after this video! Perfect point to make, I want my knives to have a long life! 🤙🏻
All summed up your point is good for sure, many people do not consider that they wear out the material like that but after all I think you can still be lucky or unlucky... your stuff can fail after 10 times or it will never fail even if you fidget for ever. Take the boker Kalashnikov as an example... I think they soll 45% just for fidget and collection reasons cause they will always fire.
THANK YOU SOOOOO FUCKING MUCH FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!! I also flip mine around in my hand that is my fidget factor. Drives me a bit bat shit seeing people hammer on em for no reason! Lol!!! Have a crazy day in a good way! Keep crushing it!
Great points! But I buy my stuff to enjoy it. If it means I go through them more often, so be it...why buy it if you just look at it. Work with it, fidget with it, it's all the same, so long as you enjoy your purchase!
Fortunately open and closing a knife doesn’t fall under abuse and should be fully coved under warranty being that it is what the knife is designed to do. I’ve had a few omega springs break and upon disassembly to replace them, they all had developed rust on them causing weak points. It’s probably the biggest flaw in axis/bar lock knives since you can’t easily oil and protect the springs without disassembly. Some companies send them out with a bunch of grease on and around the springs but I don’t recall seeing it on any Benchmade knives. Luckily omega springs are very cheap and easy to keep spares or you can send it to Benchmade and they’ll take care of it no questions asked. I think frame and liner locks wearing quickly is a bigger concern but again should be fully covered by warranty since no company can say you abused the knife by simply opening and closing it. I have framelock knives I’ve had for years that have been opened and closing an inestimable amount of times and the lock hasn’t moved enough to raise any concern. Thin liner locks may move across the lock face quicker since there’s less contact but it still takes a lot to be noticeable on a quality folder. Button/plunge locks are another one that I’ve seen very little advancement of the lock over many openings but is also another easy warranty replacement. Personally I don’t “fidget” with my knives in an extreme way but I also never hesitate to give it a few extra flicks to enjoy and admire the workmanship. You only live once and life is short, they are material objects that will still be here when you’re gone, so cut, flick and do whatever you want with them to enjoy them.
I feel you on this I really only open and close when I first get it to break in . I have about 15 Benchmades and use them all not one broken spring yet .thx for sharing my opinion.
I broke an omega spring just with basic use in a couple months. I think it's just a hit or miss thing and some people get lemons. That said, I agree with your point overall.
I view the omega springs and frame lock inserts like brake pads on a car. Some people will wear them out much faster than others. The beauty is that they can be easily replaced. People shouldn’t stress over it and just use their shit. I like your points of view. Keep it up.
even on my favorite knives i only figet them at max 50 times a day (by that i mean 1 time means 1 open, one close), granted i have no axis lock or emerson opener knives yet, but i am planning on getting a 940 soon, i will keep your advice in mind, thank you!
Why don't you just get two. One for fidgeting, and one for just laying down and avoiding. And wash things when they're dirty instead of twice a week. I wish these were my biggest problems.
Clearly this is true. but i make sure i have enough knives to not wear out. for example i have several ganzos that i fidget with. great action. nothing to replace
Those axis lock types look cool and fun and most people buy them to fidget with them, but they don't look like their ment to last long whether you fidget or not. The triad lock on my 1 cold steel can last lifetimes and can open and close probably hundreds of thousands of times without breaking
Never broken an Omega spring, and I fidget like a kid with ADHD. I put in a little cutting work, semi-heavy use, and axis style locks are so much better than standard liners or frame locks for wear. But life is short, enjoy it while you can. Use it, play with it, hell, abuse it if you want. Get your money's worth and then rebuild it.
Let's say person A opens their knife 15 times a day, which I'd say is pretty frequent use for an EDC folder. In ten years, which I think is a decent life for a knife with springs, person A will have opened it 54,750 times. Now say person B opens their knife 50 times a day to fidget. The knife of person B, the fidgeter, will have the same mechanical wear after *just three years* that person A's knife had after ten years of frequent use! Either be person A or don't bitch about springs breaking.
I’ve got several Benchmade’s with axis locks and the oldest is 17 years old and I’ve never had a broken spring. But I only open them when I’m using them.
I’m not a fidgeter but I did wear a groove in the pivot pin on a CRKT from whipping it open instead of using the flipper tab…glad I learned that lesson before I started buying high end knives. Side note, that’s how you ruin zippos too(stupid human tricks lol)
My Benchmade 705( think Osborne 945, 3" blade) is about 26 years old. No blade play or spring issues.. Scratched and worn. Fidget all you want but don't expect never to have to replace a part. You can wear through the toughest knife. Put it untouched in a glass case to keep it pristine or use it. It's up to you.
Any knife is only designed to so many actuations before failure. And thar assumes regular maintenance and cleaning. Some are hundreds of times per day. The compression or liner lock interface will wear even with lubrication. Springs are only engineered to so many cycles.
I had my Para 3 LW for over two years and I will open and close it like over 50 times a day and it opens and closes better then when it was new. I would love a 940 or Bugout but not with those dumb springs.
axis locks are way more durable due to less friction, another important point is that you have to replace the whole handle scale if your frame lock is worn out, on the axis you only need to replace the bar. the only "weak" part on the axis are the springs, though i have my 940 for many years now and never had anything break.
I'm not a knife fidgeter. I have friends who play with their knives endlessly especially the OTFs. Then they complain when their OTF doesn't work as well as new or breaks after opening/closing thousands of times. Everything mechanical eventually breaks!
you convicned me to stop figeting with my knives. i bough a bugout about 4 months ago, and for the first month i opened and closed around 100-150 times a day. the omega springs failed 3 months into having it, i know fidget with it less but i know they will break again, and ill buy another set of omega springs. hopefully in the very far future.
I've owned a benchmade 940 for 20 years. Never had a omega spring break. I have around 10 other benchmade knives and never had a spring break. I can think of thing about benchmade I can complain about, but the spring isnt it.
Production knives are hit and miss. Omega springs broke on my bugout within a month. Sent it in, they “fixed it” broke the omega springs again within a month. Can’t rely on it unfortunately
I don't fidget with knives personally but as a reviewer myself I understand that most people actually solely buy knives to play with and I think that's fine. however I think there's alot of over complaining that goes on in this community on alot of things I've never found issue with personally materials, lock types ,blade steels everything under the sun basically..my take it just buy what you like enjoy it how you like and of you break it take responsibility and fix it accordingly Thanks for the video I hope you have a great new year 😀
I can understand your points. Unfortunately my griptillians omega spring broke within a month. Luckily their warranty was super painless for me. Granted I seem to always attract lemons lol
Why though? Why don't you allow yourself to fidget the knives, theres no reason to worry about wearing out a product with a lifetime warranty, such little material to replace so no real waste, and it's easy to do. Not to mention these knives aren't fragile whatsoever, that Emerson will outlive you, especially with a warranty replacement if it fails. Benchmade and Emerson both are companies that will warranty the lock on the knife. Even if its for a small fee, usually these companies take care of you once you buy into their product line. The warranty and the customer service for these knives are one of the main reasons they are worth the price. It's not like Benchmades are customs that have nice tolerances and impressive machining. It's a mass produced product, there are thousands of replacement locks and it won't cost you a much, if anything. You say enjoy your tools, and I agree, they help me get work done sure, but the only time I feel like I can say they really bring me joy is when I'm looking at them and appreciating what they are, and usually fidgeting with them goes along with that.
Any knife with an omega lock will fail with constant rapid cycling, open shut open and shut. Spyderco. Will not. Simply due to the fact that it is engineered with strong components, and not Springs that are thick as a human hair as the omega lock is 😉
Finally someone with some sense. It's extremely annoying to watch reviewers who just won't stop moving the knives around or can't stop fidgeting and just keep blurting out "sooooo smoooooth" the entire video(s), drop shut fetish and all that. But their knives still look new two years later. Because the only action their knives get is just the finger actions 🙄.
I don't fidget knives every day, probably open and close 40-50 times a day, on the few days I do fidget knives. With that being said, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on this. If you are so dense you can't understand how this happens, ya need to step away from the knife hobby and collect marbles, Cause = effect. So long you understand the risks and premature wear, carry on nothing to see here. P.S. - Don't forget, play stupid games, win stupid prizes is also in play.
Socom elite auto - now a button lock. 2 940s and a contego - all broken. Lol i hate it, I use my knives for very simple tasks so it's all from fidgeting. You are spot on. I will still carry my socom elite manual but I'm thinking of carrying a good cold steel at all times to rely on
Your points make sense. In my own experience - I’ve had my 940 for 20 years, literally since I was 17, dedicated only knife in my pocket for almost 10 years of that. Fidgeted a lot with that knife and never had one issue. Also beat the tar out of that knife and agree with everything you have to say about it. Proper knife maintenance and cleaning is going to be much better to preserve longevity.
I use some of my knives as an “adult fidget toy” (to replace my actual toys 🥴) realised the fact I would ruin locks etc so I just bought a couple of inexpensive Uber fidget friendly knives that I don’t mind if I ruin them. Keep my good users as users for tasks and my collection ones barley get opened. Just now and then to enjoy the aesthetic of them.
I fidget with my knives constantly. 🤷🏻♂️ I do think you make some good points for sure. I think people should be aware that it is a possibility of having an issue. I have a button lock that I've had for a couple years. I noticed when I took it apart the button where it locked up had some small dents in it. I am not worried about this specific knife really. Spartan blades had a really good warranty. It was interesting seeing the wear on the button though. I probably flipped the damn knife 10k times. 🤦🏻♂️
My Benchmade 790 frame lock has walked over through really hard use but it is as strong as ever IMO because 100% thick titanium lock against the steel. I have a brand new copy of the knife as well and it doesn't open as snappy. I prefer the feel of my really broken-in one.
I'm guilty of it. I have a Bailout on the way, and it's going to be difficult to keep my ADHD hands off of it during my downtime. The omega spring issue seems to be one of the more divisive topics right now, on top of all of the Benchmade hate. I bought my first Griptilian 15 years ago, and I've owned probably a dozen various models since, and I've never had an omega spring break. I think a lot of it is, a smaller percentage have had this actual issue, and some are just saying it happened. There's no middle ground, it seems like it either happens often, or never happens. Not trying to invalidate what some are experiencing, just doesn't add up to me. The same could be said for those who have had springs break, but won't admit it out of brand loyalty.
That’s why I don’t like the ‘wave’ on so many Emerson (& other) models and that’s why I DO like the slow roll of a Sebenza. One reason I like to fidget & flick a knife is right after I’ve disassembled, cleaned, & ‘tuned’ it having gotten it buttery smooth. I get it. It’s satisfying to do. The machinist in me understands the inevitable wear & tear which slows me down some but I admit to doing it. I’ve had three broken Benchmade omega springs one of which was on a Bugout that was mere days old so it’s not all excessive wear by me. Want to fidget on the cheap? Buy the budget stuff & have at it! Lots of options out there that won’t break your heart or you wallet when they quit.
I break omega springs. I jam crossbars. I have strong hands I guess? I love these knives though. Buying springs, taking apart my knife and carefully undoing the crossbar jam, its my joy. Polishing pivots. Polishing washers. Smoothing burrs off of edges. Its fun. Seriously though... Don't buy expensive knives with omega springs if you are gonna cry when they break.
This is why I love OTF'S. I beat the hell out of my knives. I have atleast 1 automatic AND otf from all the major brands. Been very hard on my microtech, protech, Benchmade, etc etc but I was sent a Kershaw Livewire OTF for free from one of our distributors so I decided to legitimately stress test the otf knife..... For this knifes price point you literally can't do better and honestly after testing adding another 100 bucks to its total would still be one hell of a deal. The knifes action actually got smoother over time as well as the double action actually started feeling truly broken in. Holds an edge for far too long, isn't "easy" to sharpen but isn't necessarily hard either..... I've had to run the action over 100k times by now and still run it easily hundreds of times daily..... I've had to send micro & protechs back to factory with a small fraction of use when compared to the kershaw. Had to send a brand new Benchmade Osborne 9400 automatic back to factory yesterday due to horrible QC. Blade was practically dull, the cerakote on the blade was actually defective and was flaking and the button to engage the automatic action was sticking and felt full of grit..... I don't know how the hell a knife in this state even leaves factory.
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Life is short, flip knives, fidget knives, do whatever you want. Support companies that have good warranties and if you are really worried about your knife failing carry a fixed blade. Good points all around and good for opening up discussion on the matter.
Guilty as charged! I Agree with you 100% - I keep Omega Springs on standby and enjoy the repair and cleaning opportunity.
Why I agree if you fidget with one knife like crazy you can’t complain if certain things happen faster, lock bar travel, omegas what ever. I’ve had omegas break in 10 openings rat after getting them back from being replaced by BM I have others that have never broken and were used way way more. But you can get aftermarket omegas real cheap and they are slightly thicker and last a lot longer. And some other companies use really robust omegas for budget knives. So I think that’s more the argument, omegas shouldn’t break from hard use though there’s no stress on them. That all being said I love Benchmades
Always appreciate your input dear friend!!!!!
I think the “constant opening/closeing review” comment was about metal complex. 😂
Myself, I think fidgeting is an important part of testing a folder to see how well the lock type holds up. I am sure, many of your Viewer's like to fidget. Not everyone needs their folders to constantly be cutting things. Some just like carrying their folders and having them for when they need them to do simple chores. Other's need them for heavy-duty cutting chores or for hunting, fishing, or other outdoors duties, like woodcrafting, whittling, or food prep. And, as a Reviewer, it's important to understand that People use knives for all sorts of tasks. And, it's the Reviewer's job to let everyone know what you feel about the knife your reviewing and to let everyone know if it can handle fidgeting and how well it will cut and carry as an EDC Folder and what tasks you feel the folder would be best at... That's my opinion.
With that said, I totally agree with you on the wear issue. Especially, if your folder is a Liner-Lock or Frame-Lock without a hardened steel insert... But, most of the if other lock types available can handle fidgeting very well. I have never worn out a Tri-Ad Lock. And, yes I have broken Omega Springs, but they are easy to replace, so that's not an issue for me; Crossbar type Locks are among my favorites for fidgeting. A well made Plunge-Lock, rocks, too. The other one I need to mention is the Compression-Lock, I absolutely luv that one, too...
Great Video! I absolutely loved seeing you, a Young Woman, making a Knife Video; I subscribed. :-) Happy New Year! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
Yeah people act like taking apart a knife is some massive undertaking. I never understand in knife reviews why they always mention the difficulty of taking it apart for cleaning, or how axis locks are difficult to disassemble, like the most complex folder in the world is still a relatively simple object. Maybe that's just the mechanic in me
I’m over 50. My Demkos are going to outlast whatever fidget-torture I can put them through in my remaining days on this planet.
There you go, bringing logic to the discussion. Thanks for the video on this obvious point. That said, I am on the low side on the fidget scale. If I break a spring, off to Benchmade. Easy peasy. I have plenty of knives, so a few weeks without one is no big deal. As a bonus, it will come back factory sharpened.
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I can't carry a knife at work so that drastically decreases my knife fidgeting. However I really enjoy the sounds knives make and the feel of a lock engaging so I am truly a knife fidgeter. They're my tools and I'll enjoy em how I want. Great video, keep the information coming.
I appreciate a good audible “ting” as well. Do you have any favorite knives with this quality? I’m still pretty new to pocket knives and looking to try something new.
@@FreedomFox1 my Civivi Cormorant has a nice ting sound. Other Than that the best singing knives I own are all over $200 the best being the Herman Knives sting butt the cheapest at $250 would be the Maxace Babylon. Best bang for buck would have to be be kubey 0322. No ting but great sounds
@@BlazeBerger Thanks for all the great ideas. The new Civiv Cogent is supposed to have a good sound… is that the one you like, or is it the Kizer Cormorant?
@@FreedomFox1 that should say Cogent, sorry. The V1 Cormorant makes great sounds too but they are hard to find.
@@BlazeBerger Thanks, good to know… I’ll probably grab the Cogent. One last question - do you think all-metal construction changes the sound of a knife?
Great thing about Benchmade is there warranty. Fidget away my friend Benchmade will take care of you when that spring breaks. I broke mine on my mini Griptilian and Benchmade said I can send it in and they can put a fresh edge on it and put a new spring in and clean it or they could just send me a sping. And they are not nearly as hard to maintain and disassembled as some people think they are there just not simple like liner locks. You are absolutely correct no matter how premium anything that you own is if you use it over and over and over and over again it's going to break. People need to quit bitching about their premium stuff breaking when they abused it. I thought this myself several times how many times a day do I sit here and open my Griptilian but I'm lucky mine is over two years old and it still locks up like a bank vault, no blade play left or right or up and down. Mine is in 20cv and I love it
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@@ericasedc of course anytime. It's good content. And you really know your s***
I am a spyderco fan but to be honest the only lock that hasn’t developed play In any direction or wear after lots of opening closing and hard use are my triad lock cold steels, I have been using them for years and that’s the only lock I truly trust on a folder.
That's why I have the lawman👍
@@johnnyboy1586 same here I love my s35vn version even my old aus8 model is still rock solid, Spyderco ball bearing locks are solid also I forgot to mention I haven’t developed any play in mine after years of use, I think she needs to give the triad lock and ball bearing lock a try.
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I agree, a knife is to cut stuff. Take it out of your pocket or whatever you hold it, open it, cut stuff, close it, put it back where you carry it. Done.
Cheers to that G!
I’ve literally never fidgeted with my knives. They’re tools, I don’t give a shit about “fidget factor” nor will I ever especially after this video! Perfect point to make, I want my knives to have a long life! 🤙🏻
All summed up your point is good for sure, many people do not consider that they wear out the material like that but after all I think you can still be lucky or unlucky... your stuff can fail after 10 times or it will never fail even if you fidget for ever. Take the boker Kalashnikov as an example... I think they soll 45% just for fidget and collection reasons cause they will always fire.
THANK YOU SOOOOO FUCKING MUCH FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!! I also flip mine around in my hand that is my fidget factor. Drives me a bit bat shit seeing people hammer on em for no reason! Lol!!! Have a crazy day in a good way! Keep crushing it!
Great points! But I buy my stuff to enjoy it. If it means I go through them more often, so be it...why buy it if you just look at it. Work with it, fidget with it, it's all the same, so long as you enjoy your purchase!
Fortunately open and closing a knife doesn’t fall under abuse and should be fully coved under warranty being that it is what the knife is designed to do. I’ve had a few omega springs break and upon disassembly to replace them, they all had developed rust on them causing weak points. It’s probably the biggest flaw in axis/bar lock knives since you can’t easily oil and protect the springs without disassembly. Some companies send them out with a bunch of grease on and around the springs but I don’t recall seeing it on any Benchmade knives. Luckily omega springs are very cheap and easy to keep spares or you can send it to Benchmade and they’ll take care of it no questions asked.
I think frame and liner locks wearing quickly is a bigger concern but again should be fully covered by warranty since no company can say you abused the knife by simply opening and closing it. I have framelock knives I’ve had for years that have been opened and closing an inestimable amount of times and the lock hasn’t moved enough to raise any concern. Thin liner locks may move across the lock face quicker since there’s less contact but it still takes a lot to be noticeable on a quality folder. Button/plunge locks are another one that I’ve seen very little advancement of the lock over many openings but is also another easy warranty replacement.
Personally I don’t “fidget” with my knives in an extreme way but I also never hesitate to give it a few extra flicks to enjoy and admire the workmanship. You only live once and life is short, they are material objects that will still be here when you’re gone, so cut, flick and do whatever you want with them to enjoy them.
Thanks a lot. But will axis lock last longer than any other type of locking mechanism? And what about back lock longevity?
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I feel you on this I really only open and close when I first get it to break in . I have about 15 Benchmades and use them all not one broken spring yet .thx for sharing my opinion.
I broke an omega spring just with basic use in a couple months. I think it's just a hit or miss thing and some people get lemons. That said, I agree with your point overall.
I view the omega springs and frame lock inserts like brake pads on a car. Some people will wear them out much faster than others. The beauty is that they can be easily replaced. People shouldn’t stress over it and just use their shit.
I like your points of view. Keep it up.
even on my favorite knives i only figet them at max 50 times a day (by that i mean 1 time means 1 open, one close), granted i have no axis lock or emerson opener knives yet, but i am planning on getting a 940 soon, i will keep your advice in mind, thank you!
Why don't you just get two. One for fidgeting, and one for just laying down and avoiding. And wash things when they're dirty instead of twice a week. I wish these were my biggest problems.
Clearly this is true. but i make sure i have enough knives to not wear out. for example i have several ganzos that i fidget with. great action. nothing to replace
You have a solid point but we couldn’t ride in the car together because I’d drive you nuts 😂
Lol. She would probably leave you on the side of the road.
I don't have what's called "mechanical sympathy". And I'm at peace with it. Freedom Fidgeter here. That said: Use your shit, indeed. Great insight.
You have a solid point for sure
First view here. Jarad sent me.
Great work and topic depth! BTW, fidgeting? There are "therapies" for that. 😁 ...or buy a balisong 👍🗡️
Those axis lock types look cool and fun and most people buy them to fidget with them, but they don't look like their ment to last long whether you fidget or not.
The triad lock on my 1 cold steel can last lifetimes and can open and close probably hundreds of thousands of times without breaking
Absolutely! Things with friction from mechanical movements, they wear out and get weak.
Never broken an Omega spring, and I fidget like a kid with ADHD. I put in a little cutting work, semi-heavy use, and axis style locks are so much better than standard liners or frame locks for wear. But life is short, enjoy it while you can. Use it, play with it, hell, abuse it if you want. Get your money's worth and then rebuild it.
Haha I was just thinking about this and I saw you video pop up!
Oooh great minds think alike!
You’re exactly right. Thanks for consistently being the best EDC channel!
Wow thank you!
Let's say person A opens their knife 15 times a day, which I'd say is pretty frequent use for an EDC folder. In ten years, which I think is a decent life for a knife with springs, person A will have opened it 54,750 times. Now say person B opens their knife 50 times a day to fidget. The knife of person B, the fidgeter, will have the same mechanical wear after *just three years* that person A's knife had after ten years of frequent use! Either be person A or don't bitch about springs breaking.
Haha! Yes!
I’ve got several Benchmade’s with axis locks and the oldest is 17 years old and I’ve never had a broken spring. But I only open them when I’m using them.
@@Hunter-mu7sp there ya go!
I’m not a fidgeter but I did wear a groove in the pivot pin on a CRKT from whipping it open instead of using the flipper tab…glad I learned that lesson before I started buying high end knives. Side note, that’s how you ruin zippos too(stupid human tricks lol)
My Benchmade 705( think Osborne 945, 3" blade) is about 26 years old. No blade play or spring issues.. Scratched and worn. Fidget all you want but don't expect never to have to replace a part. You can wear through the toughest knife. Put it untouched in a glass case to keep it pristine or use it. It's up to you.
Truth is they fidget and open closes it. Spring warms up which makes it brittle. I fidget a lot at first just to break it in. But that’s my 2 cents
Take a clothes hanger for instance. Wiggle it back and forth eventually it breaks. Same concept applies here.
Any knife is only designed to so many actuations before failure. And thar assumes regular maintenance and cleaning. Some are hundreds of times per day. The compression or liner lock interface will wear even with lubrication. Springs are only engineered to so many cycles.
Fidgeting is why a person really needs at least a hundred knives. You have to spread that wear around.
I had my Para 3 LW for over two years and I will open and close it like over 50 times a day and it opens and closes better then when it was new. I would love a 940 or Bugout but not with those dumb springs.
Nice video I was not thinking of that. I mostly own frame locks and wonder if they're just better in general for longevity than my axis/bar/lockbacks.
axis locks are way more durable due to less friction, another important point is that you have to replace the whole handle scale if your frame lock is worn out, on the axis you only need to replace the bar.
the only "weak" part on the axis are the springs, though i have my 940 for many years now and never had anything break.
I've been watching your new videos, but I stumbled onto this old one and I can't believe how long your hair used to be! Wow!
Nice video. 30 years ago everyone owned a Zippo lighter for similar needs. But please ... wash them drawers!
I carried an OG Benchmade 710 for 15 years and the springs never failed. It is over 25 years old now and no failure.
What if I buy knives specifically to fidget with them? Is it ok then?
I'm not a knife fidgeter. I have friends who play with their knives endlessly especially the OTFs. Then they complain when their OTF doesn't work as well as new or breaks after opening/closing thousands of times. Everything mechanical eventually breaks!
Spot on! Well explained!
Thank you for the advice I'm about to buy a benchmade osborne.
you convicned me to stop figeting with my knives. i bough a bugout about 4 months ago, and for the first month i opened and closed around 100-150 times a day. the omega springs failed 3 months into having it, i know fidget with it less but i know they will break again, and ill buy another set of omega springs. hopefully in the very far future.
I've owned a benchmade 940 for 20 years. Never had a omega spring break. I have around 10 other benchmade knives and never had a spring break. I can think of thing about benchmade I can complain about, but the spring isnt it.
Not a problem that's why they have warranties. Why torture yourself trying not to fidget? Enjoy your knives the way you choose to.
I haven't broken an omega spring yet but I don't usally flick it open a ton usally I use the thumb stud on my 940
Mhm!
Totally agree but Benchmades do have a lifetime warranty. Thankfully Microtech and Pro-Tech do too
Production knives are hit and miss. Omega springs broke on my bugout within a month. Sent it in, they “fixed it” broke the omega springs again within a month. Can’t rely on it unfortunately
HELL YESSSSS BOUT TIME SOMEONE DID THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!
I don't fidget with knives personally but as a reviewer myself I understand that most people actually solely buy knives to play with and I think that's fine. however I think there's alot of over complaining that goes on in this community on alot of things I've never found issue with personally materials, lock types ,blade steels everything under the sun basically..my take it just buy what you like enjoy it how you like and of you break it take responsibility and fix it accordingly
Thanks for the video I hope you have a great new year 😀
I can understand your points. Unfortunately my griptillians omega spring broke within a month. Luckily their warranty was super painless for me. Granted I seem to always attract lemons lol
Well said. I was thinking about this very thing a few days ago. Everything wears out eventually, It just makes common sense.
Why though? Why don't you allow yourself to fidget the knives, theres no reason to worry about wearing out a product with a lifetime warranty, such little material to replace so no real waste, and it's easy to do. Not to mention these knives aren't fragile whatsoever, that Emerson will outlive you, especially with a warranty replacement if it fails. Benchmade and Emerson both are companies that will warranty the lock on the knife. Even if its for a small fee, usually these companies take care of you once you buy into their product line. The warranty and the customer service for these knives are one of the main reasons they are worth the price. It's not like Benchmades are customs that have nice tolerances and impressive machining. It's a mass produced product, there are thousands of replacement locks and it won't cost you a much, if anything. You say enjoy your tools, and I agree, they help me get work done sure, but the only time I feel like I can say they really bring me joy is when I'm looking at them and appreciating what they are, and usually fidgeting with them goes along with that.
Guilty as hell! But I can change! Will fidget with my izula2 only from now on! Lol!
Any knife with an omega lock will fail with constant rapid cycling, open shut open and shut. Spyderco. Will not. Simply due to the fact that it is engineered with strong components, and not Springs that are thick as a human hair as the omega lock is 😉
Wow, i came back to this, RUclips recommended Old-school Dreadlocked Erica!
Love it!
Take care
Graham
So old!
Also, so cool!
Shows your evolution, be proud of who you are and where you've come from!
Take care ❤
Graham
So I finally have a good reason to own too many knives, so I can spread my fidgeting :D longevity saved!
I am not a figider and that is why I bought the Native LW.
I've broken two axis lock springs this year
That why i sway towards fix blade lol!
Finally someone with some sense. It's extremely annoying to watch reviewers who just won't stop moving the knives around or can't stop fidgeting and just keep blurting out "sooooo smoooooth" the entire video(s), drop shut fetish and all that. But their knives still look new two years later. Because the only action their knives get is just the finger actions 🙄.
I agree with you about the knives but I think not washing your clothes is crazy but it's your thang do what you want.
Makes sense, I go days without even opening my knife. Alan R
I don't fidget knives every day, probably open and close 40-50 times a day, on the few days I do fidget knives. With that being said, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on this. If you are so dense you can't understand how this happens, ya need to step away from the knife hobby and collect marbles, Cause = effect. So long you understand the risks and premature wear, carry on nothing to see here.
P.S. - Don't forget, play stupid games, win stupid prizes is also in play.
I fidget to relieve anxiety. That’s why I have a knife budget lol.
Yes! I agree. I fidget with my CS knives, never had an issue.
I get both sides, whatever gets the job done and makes you happy.
If you dont want your lock to wear, or have a chance of failing, get a fixed blade knife. But the Fidget Factor of a fixed blade is exactly Zero.
Good observation! Will be moving smarter going forward with my edc. Thanks!
Socom elite auto - now a button lock.
2 940s and a contego - all broken. Lol i hate it, I use my knives for very simple tasks so it's all from fidgeting. You are spot on. I will still carry my socom elite manual but I'm thinking of carrying a good cold steel at all times to rely on
I agree bout the jeans, I go days ands without washing. Alan R
Your points make sense. In my own experience - I’ve had my 940 for 20 years, literally since I was 17, dedicated only knife in my pocket for almost 10 years of that. Fidgeted a lot with that knife and never had one issue. Also beat the tar out of that knife and agree with everything you have to say about it. Proper knife maintenance and cleaning is going to be much better to preserve longevity.
Ha! But wait!! I am not a fidget factor freak!! Honest!! Maybe thats part of why i prefer fixed blades lately! Too funny! You nailed it!!
love the video...you are telling the truth.
I use some of my knives as an “adult fidget toy” (to replace my actual toys 🥴) realised the fact I would ruin locks etc so I just bought a couple of inexpensive Uber fidget friendly knives that I don’t mind if I ruin them. Keep my good users as users for tasks and my collection ones barley get opened. Just now and then to enjoy the aesthetic of them.
You do raise some good points there!
I fidget with my knives constantly. 🤷🏻♂️ I do think you make some good points for sure. I think people should be aware that it is a possibility of having an issue. I have a button lock that I've had for a couple years. I noticed when I took it apart the button where it locked up had some small dents in it. I am not worried about this specific knife really. Spartan blades had a really good warranty. It was interesting seeing the wear on the button though. I probably flipped the damn knife 10k times. 🤦🏻♂️
Well, good lubrication on the lock faces and buying 4 springs for $8 on Amazon literally negates this entire problem.
Yes!!! I stopped fidgeting months ago, but omg, Omg!! I do that while reviewing knives! 🤦🏼♂️
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My Benchmade 790 frame lock has walked over through really hard use but it is as strong as ever IMO because 100% thick titanium lock against the steel. I have a brand new copy of the knife as well and it doesn't open as snappy. I prefer the feel of my really broken-in one.
remember people she isn't saying "don't fidget," it's more like "don't fidget and then complain about your knife's performance"
I'm guilty of it. I have a Bailout on the way, and it's going to be difficult to keep my ADHD hands off of it during my downtime. The omega spring issue seems to be one of the more divisive topics right now, on top of all of the Benchmade hate. I bought my first Griptilian 15 years ago, and I've owned probably a dozen various models since, and I've never had an omega spring break. I think a lot of it is, a smaller percentage have had this actual issue, and some are just saying it happened. There's no middle ground, it seems like it either happens often, or never happens. Not trying to invalidate what some are experiencing, just doesn't add up to me. The same could be said for those who have had springs break, but won't admit it out of brand loyalty.
Check out dem locks tho!
Good point on the lock mechanism too.
Haha love the shout out E! You made some very valid points and this video has inspired me to fidget… less! 😁 love ya sis! Great content per usual 🤙🏻
Love ya sista!!! Thanks for the inspo!🤣🥰
My fidgeting is flipping my knife and rubbing my thumb up and down the scales. Mostly on case knives.
That’s why I don’t like the ‘wave’ on so many Emerson (& other) models and that’s why I DO like the slow roll of a Sebenza. One reason I like to fidget & flick a knife is right after I’ve disassembled, cleaned, & ‘tuned’ it having gotten it buttery smooth. I get it. It’s satisfying to do. The machinist in me understands the inevitable wear & tear which slows me down some but I admit to doing it. I’ve had three broken Benchmade omega springs one of which was on a Bugout that was mere days old so it’s not all excessive wear by me.
Want to fidget on the cheap? Buy the budget stuff & have at it! Lots of options out there that won’t break your heart or you wallet when they quit.
Those springs were engaged twice to open and close so double your number!!
How dare you use logic to explain how I broke my own knife
*cries in broken omega spring*
this makes sense to me.
I break omega springs. I jam crossbars. I have strong hands I guess? I love these knives though. Buying springs, taking apart my knife and carefully undoing the crossbar jam, its my joy. Polishing pivots. Polishing washers. Smoothing burrs off of edges. Its fun. Seriously though... Don't buy expensive knives with omega springs if you are gonna cry when they break.
Aha I enjoy your videos 👍🏼
That's why those locks were made. To open and close more times then the average lock , and obviously for one hand closing
This is why I love OTF'S. I beat the hell out of my knives. I have atleast 1 automatic AND otf from all the major brands. Been very hard on my microtech, protech, Benchmade, etc etc but I was sent a Kershaw Livewire OTF for free from one of our distributors so I decided to legitimately stress test the otf knife..... For this knifes price point you literally can't do better and honestly after testing adding another 100 bucks to its total would still be one hell of a deal. The knifes action actually got smoother over time as well as the double action actually started feeling truly broken in. Holds an edge for far too long, isn't "easy" to sharpen but isn't necessarily hard either..... I've had to run the action over 100k times by now and still run it easily hundreds of times daily..... I've had to send micro & protechs back to factory with a small fraction of use when compared to the kershaw. Had to send a brand new Benchmade Osborne 9400 automatic back to factory yesterday due to horrible QC. Blade was practically dull, the cerakote on the blade was actually defective and was flaking and the button to engage the automatic action was sticking and felt full of grit..... I don't know how the hell a knife in this state even leaves factory.