Thanks for your kind comments ! If you want to see DNG raw files , check out the link in the description :) - 14th november update : BM has updated Ursa Mini Pro firmware adding ISO 3200 and after some testing I think it handles low light better ! Also after this video I did a black shading calibration on my camera which removed these bluish tones in the shadow.
Thank you for doing this video. Just wanted to know about the lens adapter yu are using on the 18 35 sigma.. i heard it causes vignetted corners. But I'm glad I did not find any on video.. Thank yu.
@@Sanehuman6243 Didn't see any ! I'm using speedbooster ULTRA. Since the Sigma 18-35 is an EF-S lens you are probably going to see vigneting if you use the Speedbooster XL, which is meant to be used with full frame lenses.
i love your videos my friend! you have that rare talent not to irritate audience when you talk, and the videos are masterfully done! I , and many more i'm sure, would live to get more details about your raw files processing approach, your grading looks very very good! merci in advance! ;)
Sitting here, waiting for the next Mini Pro upgrade! We've seen releases in march for every models. Last one was in march 2017, so I hope we'll see the next one in march 2019! Great content!
I love your compositions. You can see the experience behind it. 2:32 I feel in love with this shot. Making something mundane into a film set where I expected a 1850s woman to come trough the gates with her umbrella. Respect. Doesn't matter what kind of camera you use ... if you know what you are doing every camera can make beautiful images.
Really good video, neat shots and all. You went the extra mile and that's going to pay off for sure. Even if you're not performing profound analysis, the presentation is worth it.
Alternate title: Slamming the Pocket 4K and Ursa Mini Pro against one another. In all seriousness, even two years later this video is extremely helpful. As someone who started with the 6K and took it back for the 4K, it's amazing to see how well it still holds up today in 2021. My Sigma FP and FX3 still cannot fully match the image quality the pocket 4K puts out.
@@christianj1584 more/affordable lens options (mft is a much more adaptable lens mount), more manageable file sizes for editing and storage, and filming in 4K RAW was not an option during the time I had the 6K. It was either 6K RAW or 4K ProRes. It’s hard to beat the image out of the 6K or 6K Pro though, they’re all fantastic cameras. Just depends on your use case and what you need your camera to do.
Love your work friend... You're the master of what you're doing... I have never experienced such a better tutorial or information oriented video so good that I can't resist watxhing over and over again... Keep up the good work brother...
I know this comparison is a little old now (with Mini Pro having a newer model out now), well not too much, but very well done. Thank you for the info and your observations! Very helpful.
Good to see a good review and more importantly he saved all his money on the cameras and not waste it on hair cuts and still wears hand me down tops from his older sailor brother !!! Great Vida though .. well done
I have two BMPCC4K's arriving on Monday. I am glad to hear they match well with the URSA. That is why I bought them. I have an URSA Mini 4.6k. I look forward to the portability of the pockets on gimbals, etc. I don't like doing the ND dance but it is what it is. My only hope is that after buying 2 BMPCC4k's they will not release in 6 mos. a Pro version with built in NDs like my Ursa experience. I also hope BRAW will be available on both in a reasonable time span between the two. If not, I may be using the pockets more until they release BRAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k. Your reviews, in my opinion are the best on RUclips at this time. Thank you for doing them.
Got them both on Monday. Putting them through the paces. So far, I'm pretty pleased. The footage looks good. I haven't done any 12 bit RAW comparisons with my Ursa Mini yet but will.
Please, if possible! Make a BMPCC 4k video of just footage. Your color grades are fantastic and I really wanna see more footage while I impatiently wait for mine to arrive haha.
I own the Ursa Mini Pro EF mount 4.6k. Its a great machine but its surely not a low light machine. Almost any competitor beats the URSA after sunset. Nevertheless the sensor IS upgradeable allowing for future upgrades. Thank you for the comparison.
The color science is different which is good. Not sure which one is better which is bad. The one thing I am sure about though, is this is a fantastic channel.
I subscribed after seeing your first video and can say I was one of the first 1000. I'm looking forward to seeing this channel grow with more great content! Keep it up!!
Another excellent and practical test, thanks! Would love to see a test of the bmpcc4k's ability to tame a sunny day high contrast scene shot in raw, compared to the gh5s's ability to do same in its V-Log mode. And skin tone accuracy between the two. I was really set on the gh5s, but I'm more and more interested in the new pocket, in particular its supposed better dynamic range and color science vs the gh5 and gh5s.
And that's gonna be interesting. The old BMPCC not only has a better dynamic range, but also a cinematic look that is easier to create. But Blackmagic Design remains silent about this as it was then. See: The sensor (CIS 1910) dimensions are even larger compared to 6.5 µm x 6.5 µm (instead of 5.5 µm) and the read noise is also significantly better with 1.2 vs. 2 e-. In short: According to this data sheet, the Micro Cinema Camera should have even better dynamics than the URSA Mini 4,6K. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator from www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Im-Schatten-der-URSA---Blackmagic-Micro-Cinema-Camera.html What many don't know See: ( forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71816&start=300#p403935 ) : "Mathematically, though, there is only one way to measure DR from a sensor. Both the Fairchild sensor in the original Pocket (CIS1910F) and the 4.6K Fairchild sensor (LTN4625A) are listed on their specs pages as having greater than 88dB. 88dB is over 14.5 stops of dynamic range (88 / 6.02 = 14.62). Blackmagic list the original Pocket (and the Micro) at 13 stops, but list the 4.6K sensor at 15 stops. Now, you could say that the 4.6K sensor has more DR in general, as it does push the noise into smaller pixels, given the same viewing area. However, if you were to take an HD crop of the 4.6K sensor and compare it to the Pocket, the DR may be the same. (I haven't tested or seen a comparison myself, though). Mathematically, the sensor in it can do 14.6 stops. The math is taking the 20log(10) of the Full Well Capacity (30,000 electrons) divided by the Read Noise (1.2 electrons). So, for the sensor in the OG Pocket, it would be 20log(10)(30,000/1.2) which does work out to be about 88dB or 14.6 stops. The Sony IMX294 sensor in that 2nd link I posted is listed as having a full well capacity at 400ISO of 63700e with about 7.41e read noise. At 2400ISO the read noise drops to 1.75e and then the full well also drops to about 14800. Looking at the math: @400ISO=> 20log(10)(63700/7.41) = 78.7 dB or about 13.1 stops. @2400ISO=> 20log(10)(14800/1.75) = 78.5 dB or about 13.0 stops. So, I do think that there is going to be less dynamic range. That being said, the increase in resolution may make it so that the apparent dynamic range is greater. " I have the old BMPCC and a few days ago I held and tested the BMPCC4k for the first time in my hands. My decision: I stay with the original/old BMPCC! In conjunction with BM VA. as external LCD, I have all these new useful futures, like LUTS, Falsecolor etc. and the internal only serves for the menu. I can turn BM VA. and rotate as I want. The new BMPCC4k has the same image quality as GH5s (the two also have the same sensor). So you can compare it and the steps to cinematic look, did not differ like the steps of shooting a GH5s. Color Grading, LUTS, which can be found on the web for GH5s, will also allow the same look with recordings from the BMPCC4k. The old BMPCC has damn similar image quality as the Arri.
Automatisator Peace obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about. Dynamic range tests done by cinema5d show that the gh5 has between 9-10 stops of dynamic range. The pocket4k has at least 11.6 if not more. The old pocket is also a terrible choice today. It’s SD cards have been discontinued, Blackmagic no longer supports it, and to say that it has the same picture as an Alexa is totally inaccurate. It has 4 stops of DR less than the alexa
Automatisator Peace also arri uses completely different image pipeline which allows for this great dynamic range. Unfortunatly for us it is patented to Arri, so we won’t see it in BM camera’s I’m afraid...
Great review. For those with less budget, the pocket 'David' stands up to the Ursa mini Pro 'Goliath.' This gives newbs like me, hope. I think that is your point.
Superb quality of your videos and great sound. Do you have the equipment list for the gear you used to produce your videoes? It's a shame the BMPCC 4K only outputs 1080p via HDMI.
Hey mate, firstly thanks for the great video. No frills or tricks just a great overall comparison between the two, love your work! A friend and I ran some side-by-side comparisons between my pocket 4K and his Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K and noticed a really heavy push to yellow on the pocket (in raw both set to 5600 and tint on 10). Did you notice anything like that when doing your tests? Your images looked so much closer to neutral than ours.
hey really awesome video thank you so much for posting it. I have a question. Which camera did you use to film yourself ? and beautiful background office. top.
Thank you for the review. You've had this now for about a year. What updates has BM sent for the Ursa Mini Pro 4K that makes it a better camera today. I really need something with this form factor but can't afford the latest model. I can get this model now at B&H for $2995. Do you think that is a good price as compared to the price when it first came out? Would you still recommed this model paired up with the BMPCC 4K? Thanks in advance for your reply.
![Blackmagic Pocket 4K - Real World Footage & Review [ 4K ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-SiHbdTVHCU/mqdefault.jpg)
this channel will explode. your production value is 10/10
That Pocket 4k is something else, what an exciting time to be an aspiring filmmaker.
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@@art_means_artificialthis didn't age well
Thanks for your kind comments ! If you want to see DNG raw files , check out the link in the description :)
- 14th november update : BM has updated Ursa Mini Pro firmware adding ISO 3200 and after some testing I think it handles low light better ! Also after this video I did a black shading calibration on my camera which removed these bluish tones in the shadow.
Great video! I see you found a screen protector for the bmpcc 4k. Where did you find it and can you give me a link to it? Thanks!
Thank you for doing this video.
Just wanted to know about the lens adapter yu are using on the 18 35 sigma.. i heard it causes vignetted corners. But I'm glad I did not find any on video..
Thank yu.
@@ShutterRebel It was too big. Had to cut it so I don't recommend. I found that the Folix ones are generally very good (Amazon or eBay)
@@Sanehuman6243 Didn't see any ! I'm using speedbooster ULTRA. Since the Sigma 18-35 is an EF-S lens you are probably going to see vigneting if you use the Speedbooster XL, which is meant to be used with full frame lenses.
Zebra Zone Alright thanks!
You are the example of the very best channel style. Interesting, intelligent, helpfull, accurate. Go On \_(@_@)_/.
San Sone He is awesome.... thanks for the tip
This Guy is a best watch
yes you are were solid on the review.
Accurate comparison for using the cameras for a day?
This is no doubt one of my favorite channels!!!!! Even after two videos! Please make more videos, love your content!!
I've seen a lot of camera reviews.. Zebra Zone is the best! Best production values, format and concise, logical expert information! Subscribed! Bravo!
Dude! you are much more of an expert than a lot of people including me! Great pertinent comparison! Thanks!
this video just made me set on getting the BMPCC 4k. such an amazing camera for the price i couldn't believe the comparison
Excellent! Glad Mr. Zebra is making more content 💗
Please continue wearing the adorable sailor shirt in every video.
I agree!
He does.... sadly :p and don't miss his first video playing piano and looking at the camera, epic moment...
You're a man.
I was gonna say the same thing!
Nice comparison, thanks for this!
i love your videos my friend!
you have that rare talent not to irritate audience when you talk, and the videos are masterfully done!
I , and many more i'm sure, would live to get more details about your raw files processing approach, your grading looks very very good!
merci in advance! ;)
Amazing review. Explained in such detail with clear examples. To the point and not full of sponsor adds or begging for likes and subscribers. 10/10. 👌
Your reviews might be the best I’ve ever seen. Your B roll mixed in are fantastic. Everything is so intentional and useful. Incredible man.
Sitting here, waiting for the next Mini Pro upgrade! We've seen releases in march for every models. Last one was in march 2017, so I hope we'll see the next one in march 2019! Great content!
"I am very far from an expert"?? Dude, you're an expert! And a great one at that!
I’ve only watched two videos and BRO!!! Your videos feel like you have 10 million subscribers already!! I love the production value
Great video again man!
I love your compositions. You can see the experience behind it.
2:32 I feel in love with this shot. Making something mundane into a film set where I expected a 1850s woman to come trough the gates with her umbrella.
Respect. Doesn't matter what kind of camera you use ... if you know what you are doing every camera can make beautiful images.
i fall in love with your channel! keep making good quality video sir!
Really good video, neat shots and all. You went the extra mile and that's going to pay off for sure. Even if you're not performing profound analysis, the presentation is worth it.
Alternate title: Slamming the Pocket 4K and Ursa Mini Pro against one another.
In all seriousness, even two years later this video is extremely helpful. As someone who started with the 6K and took it back for the 4K, it's amazing to see how well it still holds up today in 2021. My Sigma FP and FX3 still cannot fully match the image quality the pocket 4K puts out.
@@christianj1584 more/affordable lens options (mft is a much more adaptable lens mount), more manageable file sizes for editing and storage, and filming in 4K RAW was not an option during the time I had the 6K. It was either 6K RAW or 4K ProRes. It’s hard to beat the image out of the 6K or 6K Pro though, they’re all fantastic cameras. Just depends on your use case and what you need your camera to do.
Amazing review dude. You basically answered almost all of my questions between the 2 cameras. Thank you!
Love your work friend... You're the master of what you're doing...
I have never experienced such a better tutorial or information oriented video so good that I can't resist watxhing over and over again... Keep up the good work brother...
Fav new channel !!!... Your game is dope !!!... Love the setup and the pacing...keep smashing it mate !!
Thank you so much ! Means a lot to me.
I know this comparison is a little old now (with Mini Pro having a newer model out now), well not too much, but very well done. Thank you for the info and your observations! Very helpful.
Good to see a good review and more importantly he saved all his money on the cameras and not waste it on hair cuts and still wears hand me down tops from his older sailor brother !!!
Great Vida though .. well done
Quality of your content is amazing.
You done a great job mate
Great job on this video! Exactly what I was looking for. Well done on the production too. Thanks!
your videos are so high-quality love it! :)
I almost know next to nothing about these sort of camera stuffs, still I watched the whole thing cause it's so well made.
holy fucking shit that shot at 0:34 is beautiful
Incredible video, in-depth, to the point, beautiful sample footage. You deserve a lot more subscribers. Keep it up!
I have two BMPCC4K's arriving on Monday. I am glad to hear they match well with the URSA. That is why I bought them. I have an URSA Mini 4.6k. I look forward to the portability of the pockets on gimbals, etc. I don't like doing the ND dance but it is what it is. My only hope is that after buying 2 BMPCC4k's they will not release in 6 mos. a Pro version with built in NDs like my Ursa experience. I also hope BRAW will be available on both in a reasonable time span between the two. If not, I may be using the pockets more until they release BRAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k. Your reviews, in my opinion are the best on RUclips at this time. Thank you for doing them.
Thank you ! I think all these cameras are made to last and won't be replaced that fast...
Got them both on Monday. Putting them through the paces. So far, I'm pretty pleased. The footage looks good. I haven't done any 12 bit RAW comparisons with my Ursa Mini yet but will.
Please, if possible! Make a BMPCC 4k video of just footage. Your color grades are fantastic and I really wanna see more footage while I impatiently wait for mine to arrive haha.
I own the Ursa Mini Pro EF mount 4.6k. Its a great machine but its surely not a low light machine. Almost any competitor beats the URSA after sunset. Nevertheless the sensor IS upgradeable allowing for future upgrades. Thank you for the comparison.
Your production quality is absolutely amazing !
Extremely well done comparison. Nicely shot, well paced, and some very interesting comparison footage. Great work!
Brilliant review & comparison... well presented and clean layout of information! Keep up the great work + keep doing more review run downs like this !
The color science is different which is good.
Not sure which one is better which is bad.
The one thing I am sure about though, is this is a fantastic channel.
Your channel is top notch
I just found a hidden treasure in RUclips! Your channel is going blow up!
I subscribed after seeing your first video and can say I was one of the first 1000.
I'm looking forward to seeing this channel grow with more great content! Keep it up!!
Another excellent and practical test, thanks! Would love to see a test of the bmpcc4k's ability to tame a sunny day high contrast scene shot in raw, compared to the gh5s's ability to do same in its V-Log mode. And skin tone accuracy between the two. I was really set on the gh5s, but I'm more and more interested in the new pocket, in particular its supposed better dynamic range and color science vs the gh5 and gh5s.
Excellent work! Will be following what you do.
This channel deserves more subs really professional video
man the blackmagic is beautiful! and looks like an amazing tool!
thanks for sharing this great content with us!
loved watching this!
Thank you very much for your informative and visually teasing review! A pleasure to look and learn. Well done!!
Congratulations, you just earned a new subscriber.
Keep up the good work !
Thanks and welcome !
Great work, nice to see more content coming. You guys definitely convinced me to purchase this little one.
Very good review on the cameras, really maked my mind about buying the pocket now, cheers from Brazil, love the work
Love your reviews. Very simple and easy to understand also really dedicated !!!
I must say that you background song choice is superb!
Hell yeah subscribed! Great video dude!
Great comparison! Really made me contemplate my next camera investment.
Dynamic range tests and cinematic grading against the older BMPCC please :)
And that's gonna be interesting. The old BMPCC not only has a better dynamic range, but also a cinematic look that is easier to create. But Blackmagic Design remains silent about this as it was then. See:
The sensor (CIS 1910) dimensions are even larger compared to 6.5 µm x 6.5 µm (instead of 5.5 µm) and the read noise is also significantly better with 1.2 vs. 2 e-. In short: According to this data sheet, the Micro Cinema Camera should have even better dynamics than the URSA Mini 4,6K.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator from www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Im-Schatten-der-URSA---Blackmagic-Micro-Cinema-Camera.html
What many don't know See: ( forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71816&start=300#p403935 ) :
"Mathematically, though, there is only one way to measure DR from a sensor.
Both the Fairchild sensor in the original Pocket (CIS1910F) and the 4.6K Fairchild sensor (LTN4625A) are listed on their specs pages as having greater than 88dB. 88dB is over 14.5 stops of dynamic range (88 / 6.02 = 14.62).
Blackmagic list the original Pocket (and the Micro) at 13 stops, but list the 4.6K sensor at 15 stops.
Now, you could say that the 4.6K sensor has more DR in general, as it does push the noise into smaller pixels, given the same viewing area. However, if you were to take an HD crop of the 4.6K sensor and compare it to the Pocket, the DR may be the same. (I haven't tested or seen a comparison myself, though).
Mathematically, the sensor in it can do 14.6 stops.
The math is taking the 20log(10) of the Full Well Capacity (30,000 electrons) divided by the Read Noise (1.2 electrons).
So, for the sensor in the OG Pocket, it would be 20log(10)(30,000/1.2) which does work out to be about 88dB or 14.6 stops.
The Sony IMX294 sensor in that 2nd link I posted is listed as having a full well capacity at 400ISO of 63700e with about 7.41e read noise. At 2400ISO the read noise drops to 1.75e and then the full well also drops to about 14800. Looking at the math:
@400ISO=> 20log(10)(63700/7.41) = 78.7 dB or about 13.1 stops.
@2400ISO=> 20log(10)(14800/1.75) = 78.5 dB or about 13.0 stops.
So, I do think that there is going to be less dynamic range. That being said, the increase in resolution may make it so that the apparent dynamic range is greater.
"
I have the old BMPCC and a few days ago I held and tested the BMPCC4k for the first time in my hands. My decision: I stay with the original/old BMPCC!
In conjunction with BM VA. as external LCD, I have all these new useful futures, like LUTS, Falsecolor etc. and the internal only serves for the menu. I can turn BM VA. and rotate as I want.
The new BMPCC4k has the same image quality as GH5s (the two also have the same sensor). So you can compare it and the steps to cinematic look, did not differ like the steps of shooting a GH5s. Color Grading, LUTS, which can be found on the web for GH5s, will also allow the same look with recordings from the BMPCC4k.
The old BMPCC has damn similar image quality as the Arri.
Automatisator Peace obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about. Dynamic range tests done by cinema5d show that the gh5 has between 9-10 stops of dynamic range. The pocket4k has at least 11.6 if not more. The old pocket is also a terrible choice today. It’s SD cards have been discontinued, Blackmagic no longer supports it, and to say that it has the same picture as an Alexa is totally inaccurate. It has 4 stops of DR less than the alexa
Automatisator Peace also arri uses completely different image pipeline which allows for this great dynamic range. Unfortunatly for us it is patented to Arri, so we won’t see it in BM camera’s I’m afraid...
Je découvre tes videos de très bonnes qualité, j'ai hâte de voir la suite.
Fantastic, thorough review mate, much appreciated.
i was looking for more video but looks like you just upload 2 only, haha
i still waiting for more man !
Content quality like this video is not a quick job...
Very good production quality and relevant content. Good job! :)
Really great comparison!
I love your videos, great value content! Keep the good work
Awesome video! Honestly, the Pocket 4K is everything I could ever want in a camera!
Great review. For those with less budget, the pocket 'David' stands up to the Ursa mini Pro 'Goliath.' This gives newbs like me, hope. I think that is your point.
thanks for the great video brother. You are such a humble person with great experience in cameras.
The Pocket 4k is such an amazing camera!
Nice comparison dude, thanks a lot.
But when you hit your BMP with your Ursa, my heart aches everytime lmao
The BMPCC 4k got revenge at 4:46. :))
Nice to see another video from you!
I really digging your NO BS style!
His reviews are fun and informative. Also his English is more elegant than 99% of Americans!
Oh thank you ! Actually I think my accent has room for improvement haha
Really love the images from both cameras... Wonderful review.
Thank you !
Really like thesound effects at 0:56 .
wow!!! i love your background music
Definitely the best BMPCC 4k review on youtube. Also, what is the music that you used for the video?
Why aren't you verified yet? Where is the recognition you deserve?
Félicitations pour ce superbe travail.
Another great video! FYI I believe you can record to SSD on the URSA mini pro, but you have to get a separate module and it's obviously not via USB-C
Very nice, clean and detailed. Very good production too : ) How come you don't have more subscribers?
Helpful as always!
Top notch review, keep it up!
Awesome video and productions!!
I believe you will have millions of subs very soon.
Wow man, you got a taste for color grading and music! - that's my reason for sub
C'est tres propre ce que tu fais mec. Bravo
Clean and efficient review, well done !
BEST NEW CHANNEL EVER
Superb quality of your videos and great sound.
Do you have the equipment list for the gear you used to produce your videoes?
It's a shame the BMPCC 4K only outputs 1080p via HDMI.
Hey mate, firstly thanks for the great video. No frills or tricks just a great overall comparison between the two, love your work!
A friend and I ran some side-by-side comparisons between my pocket 4K and his Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K and noticed a really heavy push to yellow on the pocket (in raw both set to 5600 and tint on 10).
Did you notice anything like that when doing your tests? Your images looked so much closer to neutral than ours.
Haircut status: Mom
Outfit: also mom
Great video review thanks. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the new G2 vs the newer Pocket 4k and 6k.
hey really awesome video thank you so much for posting it. I have a question. Which camera did you use to film yourself ? and beautiful background office. top.
Damn this was a good ass review!
U r welcum bby
Subbed! :) Really great channel, watched 3 videos! In love with this channel! :)
Géniale ta vidéo mec. Maintenant je dois je veux la bmpcc!
Décidément ;) Merci !
Dam I didn't know about the mini . Good job .
Thank you.
Thank you for the review. You've had this now for about a year. What updates has BM sent for the Ursa Mini Pro 4K that makes it a better camera today. I really need something with this form factor but can't afford the latest model. I can get this model now at B&H for $2995. Do you think that is a good price as compared to the price when it first came out? Would you still recommed this model paired up with the BMPCC 4K? Thanks in advance for your reply.
Simple, smart elegant presentation.
it's my home :D Chantilly ! Bienvenue !
Once again, like the previous video, it's fabulous!
Thanks a lot Jalu !
Love your videos. ❤️