Personally what I always did when reaching 80 (and if possible, some stuff before that) was the following: - Reach friendly with the relevant factions so that I can get their respective tabards. Only exception would be the Sons of Hodir, with them you just do the K3 quest chain "They took our men!" and then turn in the "Relics of Ulduar" (Hoard on these, you can sell them for good money on the AH) -Spam random heroics and look for a Naxxramas group. Preferably 25m, there's more room for mistakes and the loot is higher ilvl. (If you are a Shaman or Frost Mage, ya better be ready to kite at Gluth) -Do wintergrasp when it is available. Lots of honor, gold and useful trinkets / gear can be obtained from doing it. -Get your professions leveled up. If you can learn the recipes from Ulduar, ToC, etc. then you can just passively make gold by crafting people gear. -Just focus on whatever the next raid tier is that's coming out Ps: I was commenting as I was watching the video, I love how good and well made this video is. Lots of useful information. Well done as always :)
Thanks man! And yes your recommendations definitely work too! Unfortunately not on all private servers, cause fully progressed ones tend to never run naxx which is a shame but on fresh ones this definitely could be super useful to people! You earned yourself a pin :)
Thanks bro. Just hit lvl 80 for the first time ever and get to experience end game for the first time ever and was kind of overwhelmed at first. Now I wrote myself a nice little checklist to go along to and it should be smooth sailing from now on.
As I newbie, I must say one big THANK to you, you made me all clear, ofcourse I had to play video a few times, but I got it what to do. Everyone explains another way, this looks like logical way to progress step by step, how the creators of the game imagined it (at least in my opinion). You are one great person ! :)
Lmfao, 4k GS DK on Sunwell and literally cant do anything to casters, maybe kill one If im lucky, casters are broken as all hell and DK's are only good in PVE.
@Lazare then man you dont know how to play a dk yet. Unholy is the worst spec to deal with right now on frosthold since they have so many cds like anti magic shield , zone , ghoul stun , gargoyle dps , death grip , strangulate , mind freeze to counter my mage , lock or priest. They do roughly similar damage now as they will do in Icc patch. I suggest to learn how to cc chain a caster becaude now they are easy kills for dks later it will get more balanced because of better gear for all classes
Hope is never relevant again I don't want they close the private server where I play on and lose my progression I hope blizzard never does any retail wotlk server
Look dudes. Blizzard literally can not stop private servers. There is NOTHING they can do about it. The cores have gotten so good people are now injecting custom models and assets from future expansions into vanilla. It won't be long until the source code is reverse engineered and we get Vanilla 2 with HD graphics that looks better than the retail version.
Hey Hmasterwheel, just wanted to say, keep up the good work, been watching your videos for years now, really big fan of your nostalgia videos! Keep it up, excellent content.
On my server is a bit different (Dalaran WoW).By the time you hit 80, you literally have enough gear to que for heroics due to the x1 xp rating which forces you to do many quests and dungeons with nice gear rewards. But the coolest things is nobody (the majority at least) cares about gear score as long as you've done your homework and know some tactics, people will get you into raids to help you attune and get some cool gear. So gear comes more naturally i guess and with lots of fun while making friends.Cheers
I really feel like hamster is watching me somehow because all the videos seem to come just in time when i need them or have been thinking about the topics 🧐 strange
Video was made for private servers, not in case blizzard releases wotlk classic, also servers got launched after this video, he made the video around the launch of warmane frostmourne which was a big success
as far as early gearing, you need to do WG every time it is up, regardless of faction i recommend queueing in the last 5min of WG being available, if ur alliance u will farm tons of honor but lose(1WG mark), if you are horde you get a free win(3 WG marks} these marks can be used to purchase your boots/trinkets/helm from WG vendor they are about the same as deadly gladiator pieces, and offer a lot of hit rating. the 10k+ honor you will get will buy you all your savage glad pieces and offset pieces. Also dont forget to do class runs in VoA each week.
This looks like Warmane (Paymane-Bugmane). Where u see fresh lvl 80s in greens and holding a Shadowmourne they bought from the online store, and half the content is bugged AF.
Yes it is Warmane Icercown, I chose it cause it was a good server for me to quickly gear up this character, I didn't want to sink in a boatload of time leveling up a character on a 1x server just for this one video
Firstly, which player/party/raid frame addon are you using? Been trying to find it for a while, but I can't! Would love the addon name + a profile to load, but mostly the addon name! Also, why was this created in 2020 when WOTLK is releasing now? Private Server?
Don't forget Venture Bay Dailies in Grizzly Hills! If your class uses a relic slot (Shaman, Druid, Paladin, DK) and you are trying to get into heroics, this is a MUST since there is not another good way to improve that item slot. All you need to do is complete three quests (to get 30 Venture Coins) and then take over the little island until a vendor appears. Also, another option is "walk in" heroics. Unless the server is fresh, this typically requires you to join a guild and get them to help you. It also requires the players know what they are doing since they are under geared for the content (this is especially true if your server has heroics that are more difficult than the standard Wrath Heroics).
My greatest issue with the server you were playing on is that getting to 4.5k GS is painful, but it feels like I'm forced to queue randoms in order to buy new gear to get to 5k. And then, as a tank, I STILL need to get lucky as hell since getting 6.3k GS to even bother with NORMAL ICC is fucking horrific. That aside, great guide.
You need some markers for segments! I came here hoping to find info about why I should do the Battle for Undercity but, I'm not going to spend 30 minutes going through the video trying to find it.
This is great. But just for everyone that came here wanting too use this guide for classic wotlk good luck the devs will most likely nerf and not release crafted gear till it’s too late.
I remember wasting 4 hours on the Sons of Hodir rep on warmane , I bought my shoulder enchant and after that the quartermaster bugged , and I haven't seen him since then .
You completed the full quest line including the one dropping from the fire elementals near the frozen lake? Fyi Those enchants are bound to account. So, if you've got it working on one alt just buy them with that one.
@@herrmannnachnahme9456 When you reach the final quest from the quest-chain , "Forging an Allience" , you stop . Never turn it in and you will be good.
>get the two most important factions exalted for the enchants. the other ones are rather useless. >clear t7 in raidweek 1 >raidlog until wotlk is over or do pvp if you are interested in that.
Man i can't wait for WOTLK classic, playing tbc classic the raiding is great but admittedly it was nostalgia that made me think TBC was as good as WOTLK, but WOTLK is just so much better on many fronts... going to be great (private servers are not an option for me -- 400 ping) so the wait is long
Some notes: - Could have mentioned that the WG mob quests cant be done during combat (except killing of the enemy faction), and that if you are the holder of the castle there will spawn bigger mobs with extra drop rate on the quest items. Also; the quests are weekly, didnt hear you mentioning that, only that they were repeatable. - The sons of hodir enchants are BoA, so if you farm the reputation out on one you can send the enchants over to your other characters later. - Mages will start with bonus rep with Kirin Tor, and DKs will start with bonus rep with The Knights of the Ebon Blade - The quests to unlock Argent Crusade, KotEB, Sons of Hodir quartermasters are great to do while lvling from 77 to 80 aswell so it wont feel like a stretch to go do them after hitting 80 just for the quartermaster access.
Hi, what pc build do you recommend in-order to play to the highest settings of Wotlk(warmane) ? My budget is only $500 I have no idea about pc building or pc in general since I only play at local internet cafes and I’m more in mobile gaming since pandemic.. now that I have been bored of mobile gaming, I wanna go back to playing WoW private server. Sorry for my bad english.
I may try Classic wrath, but I need to know if the leveling is any better, with the help of the dungeon finder the grind shouldn't be as bad right? More low level quests as well for the easier grind?
It's an addon pack valled Elvui 3.3.5. It's very simple to setup, just download that, put it in the addon list, log into wow and use the in-game setup to sort stuff out. :)
Good god, why would private server players use a GS add-on? it was so toxic and broken, just twisting the score with stacking Stam gems as a caster, GG.
Oh yeah it sucks, you can buy 264 rings off of the auction house that have strength and stamina on it as a mage, but then you'll have a better gearscore so it makes 0 sense and the addon should have been made based on how beneficial it is to you, not just the item level. Unfortunately 95% of all pugs (at least on that server) use it, so you have to abide by their rules or make a pug yourself.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Ah I see, yeah unfortunately you kinda have to bite the bullet if the vast majority is using it I guess! Was just odd too see because I remember the backlash back in the day when it was on retail, didn't really rub me the right way haha!
@@HamsterWheelGaming trust me i know i play on dala wow and ur videos are helpful not dissin at all but mad ppl will see this guide when and if wolk retail comes around
I mean its okay to buy from the AH but jesus christ man at least buy the items that fit your class don't buy spirit items for a bloody mage. Also Skill n Stats > Gearscore
So I should not get an item that even without its spirit is a huge upgrade for me? And spirit does nothing for mages? Spirit increases crit cause Molten Armor increases its critical strike chance the more spirit you have. Hell even certain items on tier sets have spirit...
@@HamsterWheelGaming i mean if you absolutely cant find an item upgrade sure go for the spirit one but besides that you wanna go for crit rating stat over spirit.
Late to the party but usually engineering and jewelcrafting/blacksmithing. Engineering & Tailoring is viable for pvp with that extra burst. Tanks can go for mining. But in the end all professions are relatively similar.
Personally what I always did when reaching 80 (and if possible, some stuff before that) was the following:
- Reach friendly with the relevant factions so that I can get their respective tabards. Only exception would be the Sons of Hodir, with them you just do the K3 quest chain "They took our men!" and then turn in the "Relics of Ulduar" (Hoard on these, you can sell them for good money on the AH)
-Spam random heroics and look for a Naxxramas group. Preferably 25m, there's more room for mistakes and the loot is higher ilvl. (If you are a Shaman or Frost Mage, ya better be ready to kite at Gluth)
-Do wintergrasp when it is available. Lots of honor, gold and useful trinkets / gear can be obtained from doing it.
-Get your professions leveled up. If you can learn the recipes from Ulduar, ToC, etc. then you can just passively make gold by crafting people gear.
-Just focus on whatever the next raid tier is that's coming out
Ps: I was commenting as I was watching the video, I love how good and well made this video is. Lots of useful information. Well done as always :)
Thanks man! And yes your recommendations definitely work too! Unfortunately not on all private servers, cause fully progressed ones tend to never run naxx which is a shame but on fresh ones this definitely could be super useful to people! You earned yourself a pin :)
@@HamsterWheelGaming Thank you Hamster
Don't you do the tabard thing asap before 80
Thanks bro. Just hit lvl 80 for the first time ever and get to experience end game for the first time ever and was kind of overwhelmed at first.
Now I wrote myself a nice little checklist to go along to and it should be smooth sailing from now on.
As I newbie, I must say one big THANK to you, you made me all clear, ofcourse I had to play video a few times, but I got it what to do. Everyone explains another way, this looks like logical way to progress step by step, how the creators of the game imagined it (at least in my opinion). You are one great person ! :)
Thanks for the kind words, glad I could help you out!
Guess i'll come back to this Video in about 2-3 years
Lol well the idea is that these videos are timeless, so cya in a few years!
@@HamsterWheelGaming Actually helping me on a 3.3.5 Server where I just got lv.80.
Thank you man! :D
Come on back! You called it.
how he called it when everyone and their mother guessed they would release TBC and WOTLK classic
@kushpaladin i didnt call anything here but i did call the fact that they would go up to cataclysm at least.
Step 1: Delete all Casters
Step 2: Buy Ret or Dk with Lolmourne
Lol admittedly the best way on Warmeme
If uve got 150 euros extra why not buy it?
Lmfao, 4k GS DK on Sunwell and literally cant do anything to casters, maybe kill one If im lucky, casters are broken as all hell and DK's are only good in PVE.
@@Lazarx3 uhhhhhhhhhh that's too unusual
@Lazare then man you dont know how to play a dk yet. Unholy is the worst spec to deal with right now on frosthold since they have so many cds like anti magic shield , zone , ghoul stun , gargoyle dps , death grip , strangulate , mind freeze to counter my mage , lock or priest. They do roughly similar damage now as they will do in Icc patch. I suggest to learn how to cc chain a caster becaude now they are easy kills for dks later it will get more balanced because of better gear for all classes
Make it into a series ! How to gear up for every expansion !!
We can all agree on this
Can't wait for this to become relevant again.
You can play with many players in the dedicated server Warmane :D
Hope is never relevant again I don't want they close the private server where I play on and lose my progression I hope blizzard never does any retail wotlk server
@@depredator16 they most likley will
@@Polishbuilderuk big sad :(
Look dudes. Blizzard literally can not stop private servers. There is NOTHING they can do about it. The cores have gotten so good people are now injecting custom models and assets from future expansions into vanilla. It won't be long until the source code is reverse engineered and we get Vanilla 2 with HD graphics that looks better than the retail version.
Damn I needed this video even more than needing a haircut thanks man :D
No problem bro!
As always very helpful and great content. Thank you
You're welcome Lew!
Hey Hmasterwheel, just wanted to say, keep up the good work, been watching your videos for years now, really big fan of your nostalgia videos! Keep it up, excellent content.
Thanks dude appreciate the kind words!
On my server is a bit different (Dalaran WoW).By the time you hit 80, you literally have enough gear to que for heroics due to the x1 xp rating which forces you to do many quests and dungeons with nice gear rewards. But the coolest things is nobody (the majority at least) cares about gear score as long as you've done your homework and know some tactics, people will get you into raids to help you attune and get some cool gear. So gear comes more naturally i guess and with lots of fun while making friends.Cheers
i have always very much enjoyed your videos. tyvm for doing them. Cheers!
You should definitely make those TBC gearing up guides you used to do but for wrath ofcourse
From what I know, its FOS and POS for pre-raid.
if its open . Those are opened preety late.
I really feel like hamster is watching me somehow because all the videos seem to come just in time when i need them or have been thinking about the topics 🧐 strange
I have spies everywhere
Sssst! Keep quiet boys, before Vaulty and Asmongold get wind of this.
Great video just in time! I am 2.8 gear in warmame so far
remember guys, we were here before wotlk servers come out and the video blows up =)
Video was made for private servers, not in case blizzard releases wotlk classic, also servers got launched after this video, he made the video around the launch of warmane frostmourne which was a big success
You’ll be waiting a long time bro
as far as early gearing, you need to do WG every time it is up, regardless of faction i recommend queueing in the last 5min of WG being available, if ur alliance u will farm tons of honor but lose(1WG mark), if you are horde you get a free win(3 WG marks} these marks can be used to purchase your boots/trinkets/helm from WG vendor they are about the same as deadly gladiator pieces, and offer a lot of hit rating. the 10k+ honor you will get will buy you all your savage glad pieces and offset pieces. Also dont forget to do class runs in VoA each week.
Definitely a fan of your content even though I had to stop WoW forever
Joust every morning to your coffee :D
Took me so long to get my jousting tiger. But so worth
can you share or link your addons pls they are so clean
This looks like Warmane (Paymane-Bugmane). Where u see fresh lvl 80s in greens and holding a Shadowmourne they bought from the online store, and half the content is bugged AF.
Yes it is Warmane Icercown, I chose it cause it was a good server for me to quickly gear up this character, I didn't want to sink in a boatload of time leveling up a character on a 1x server just for this one video
@@HamsterWheelGaming Ye all good mate. Sunwell imo is a better option, not so pay 2 win like warmane
@@johndoe-qo8cy oh yeah definitely
john doe how’s the population?
@@rohankulkarni8314 Approx 5-6k.
On servers with at least patch 3.2 you just Spam ToC 5 normal for ilvl 200 epics and heroic after for a lot of 219 epics and skip all the rest
Beautiful 2020 content
Wholesome 2020
Firstly, which player/party/raid frame addon are you using? Been trying to find it for a while, but I can't! Would love the addon name + a profile to load, but mostly the addon name!
Also, why was this created in 2020 when WOTLK is releasing now? Private Server?
Super awesome 👍 thanks :)
Great video I didn’t know about the tabard 😅
thanks i got in to heroics becuse of this vid thanks keep up the good work
You're welcome!
Don't forget Venture Bay Dailies in Grizzly Hills! If your class uses a relic slot (Shaman, Druid, Paladin, DK) and you are trying to get into heroics, this is a MUST since there is not another good way to improve that item slot. All you need to do is complete three quests (to get 30 Venture Coins) and then take over the little island until a vendor appears.
Also, another option is "walk in" heroics. Unless the server is fresh, this typically requires you to join a guild and get them to help you. It also requires the players know what they are doing since they are under geared for the content (this is especially true if your server has heroics that are more difficult than the standard Wrath Heroics).
My greatest issue with the server you were playing on is that getting to 4.5k GS is painful, but it feels like I'm forced to queue randoms in order to buy new gear to get to 5k. And then, as a tank, I STILL need to get lucky as hell since getting 6.3k GS to even bother with NORMAL ICC is fucking horrific.
That aside, great guide.
You need some markers for segments! I came here hoping to find info about why I should do the Battle for Undercity but, I'm not going to spend 30 minutes going through the video trying to find it.
Winter Grasp. Where Open PvP was great.
Oh yeah I love that zone, super fun!
This is great. But just for everyone that came here wanting too use this guide for classic wotlk good luck the devs will most likely nerf and not release crafted gear till it’s too late.
Would you suggest warmane for wotlk or is there other alternatives that are better?
Great video thank you
Thank you for the video, Mr. Wheel
I remember wasting 4 hours on the Sons of Hodir rep on warmane , I bought my shoulder enchant and after that the quartermaster bugged , and I haven't seen him since then .
You completed the full quest line including the one dropping from the fire elementals near the frozen lake?
Fyi Those enchants are bound to account. So, if you've got it working on one alt just buy them with that one.
@@herrmannnachnahme9456 When you reach the final quest from the quest-chain , "Forging an Allience" , you stop . Never turn it in and you will be good.
Awesome vid! What addon do you use for need/greed etc?
When current blizzard is so crap we decide to erase the past 12 years
thank you mister
you didnt mention craftables and how helpful being in a guild is, but overall, great guide
>get the two most important factions exalted for the enchants. the other ones are rather useless.
>clear t7 in raidweek 1
>raidlog until wotlk is over or do pvp if you are interested in that.
make cataclysm please
Very nice . keep it up man Tanks
What add-ons and ElvUI settings are you using? I like how clean and organized your UI looks and I can't get mine to look as good as yours.
This will become VERY relevant soon heh
Why is that? Noob here
Man i can't wait for WOTLK classic, playing tbc classic the raiding is great but admittedly it was nostalgia that made me think TBC was as good as WOTLK, but WOTLK is just so much better on many fronts... going to be great (private servers are not an option for me -- 400 ping) so the wait is long
Some notes:
- Could have mentioned that the WG mob quests cant be done during combat (except killing of the enemy faction), and that if you are the holder of the castle there will spawn bigger mobs with extra drop rate on the quest items. Also; the quests are weekly, didnt hear you mentioning that, only that they were repeatable.
- The sons of hodir enchants are BoA, so if you farm the reputation out on one you can send the enchants over to your other characters later.
- Mages will start with bonus rep with Kirin Tor, and DKs will start with bonus rep with The Knights of the Ebon Blade
- The quests to unlock Argent Crusade, KotEB, Sons of Hodir quartermasters are great to do while lvling from 77 to 80 aswell so it wont feel like a stretch to go do them after hitting 80 just for the quartermaster access.
Where did you get elvui for warmane?
Mr Wheel, will we see the "Gearing for Dungeoneering" for the healers? I find those videos really fun and super informative!
Absolutely! Planning to release the first healer episode in a day or two :)
@@HamsterWheelGaming Thats awesome, looking forward to it
rep belt is not worth it, simply in the time you complete other more important tabards and runs you'll have the 40 badges for the true bis belt.
This one, aged well :D
Good video
Why is RUclips saying this is a 3year old Video?... Surely, that can't be true?...
Hi, Hamsterwheel! I have one question: what addon that make you all window dark?
Hey dude, it's a UI pack called ElvUI
@9:55 not true, there is a tabard. you probably don't need it though with how many dailies you can do
MOAR LIKE THIS UR GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. you could hit all the warmane users + worlk servers. FOREVER
You should name this, things you already do at max level.
Heh nice got recommended this The day before wotlk
Moving onto white mane since tbc classic is gonna kill kharazan
Hi, what pc build do you recommend in-order to play to the highest settings of Wotlk(warmane) ?
My budget is only $500
I have no idea about pc building or pc in general since I only play at local internet cafes and I’m more in mobile gaming since pandemic.. now that I have been bored of mobile gaming, I wanna go back to playing WoW private server.
Sorry for my bad english.
did you get a pc?
nice gl
What is your elvui UI scale set at? I use the default but yours look more open and less compact like mine is and I like yours better.
Helpful for me on Warmane IC
What add-ons are you using? The windows look nice and clean.
ElvUI
6:31 REAL NIGGAZ FOR LIFE
what server are you playing on? It seems to be well populated
I may try Classic wrath, but I need to know if the leveling is any better, with the help of the dungeon finder the grind shouldn't be as bad right? More low level quests as well for the easier grind?
u can dungeon level all the way
Mr Wheel, Do you have a guide/Video for your wrath ui that you are using here?
It's an addon pack valled Elvui 3.3.5. It's very simple to setup, just download that, put it in the addon list, log into wow and use the in-game setup to sort stuff out. :)
I really want a gearing up your clothie/healer for wotlk 😭😭
Nice vid
Thanks!
i cant find any quests in the flying ship?
what tthe addon show u AH/map like tthis its so beauuty any1 ggive me name of this addon plz
ElvUI
Me, a casual, seeing how NOT to get cucked almost instantly by almost every player.
Ah yes, this videos is the reason i rolled my mage a troll..... year on and i regret not goin undead :( XD
Which addon is that for the health bars and the groups looks awsome please name or link smth thums up
ElvUI
With emblems of frost, you wanna buy tier 10 gear first, not random ilvl 264 gear
Which patch? launch patch or ICC patch, those are very different games.
oooh God! I LLLLOVE WotLK, but gear score is such a stupid thing.
I think joining a guild helps a tonne
Playing right now on Warmane.
is there any link to ur elvui profile?
How do people get stuff in raids? I see everytime that someone loot all the stuff and I have no chance to roll for anything :(
What add on makes your ui text & text bubbles look like that?
Elvui
what about gems, enchants ETC, ETC...
What server is this?
commenting because i also want to know
warmane icecrown
Yeah Warmane Icecrown, it was a good server for me to gear this character up
Oh Shit! here we go again...
Good god, why would private server players use a GS add-on? it was so toxic and broken, just twisting the score with stacking Stam gems as a caster, GG.
Oh yeah it sucks, you can buy 264 rings off of the auction house that have strength and stamina on it as a mage, but then you'll have a better gearscore so it makes 0 sense and the addon should have been made based on how beneficial it is to you, not just the item level. Unfortunately 95% of all pugs (at least on that server) use it, so you have to abide by their rules or make a pug yourself.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Ah I see, yeah unfortunately you kinda have to bite the bullet if the vast majority is using it I guess!
Was just odd too see because I remember the backlash back in the day when it was on retail, didn't really rub me the right way haha!
why spamming dunjons when i can only do one dayly and get 2 eot and the other dunjons i cant get nothing
Do one on classic maybe ? :D
Fuk classic ffs, wotlk>>>classic anyday everyday
is that ttw mage with bule gear ? :D
I tought u will teach me what to do when i am 6.1k gearscore hunter.. Im bored as fu.. But btw good video for fresh 80ties
Why are u playing frost? Ffb or arcane must do more damage
hows this guy making a guide for wolk in 2020 he tried to beat everyone to the punch XD
Cause it's still relevant for many people who play on private servers...
@@HamsterWheelGaming trust me i know i play on dala wow and ur videos are helpful not dissin at all but mad ppl will see this guide when and if wolk retail comes around
Did you quit classic ?
What server you play wolk ?
dalaran wow is a good one, have to finish naxx bosses before uld, then toc, icc ruby
I am shocked there is literally no decent guide since the wotlk classic came out
Really?
I mean its okay to buy from the AH but jesus christ man at least buy the items that fit your class don't buy spirit items for a bloody mage.
Also Skill n Stats > Gearscore
So I should not get an item that even without its spirit is a huge upgrade for me? And spirit does nothing for mages? Spirit increases crit cause Molten Armor increases its critical strike chance the more spirit you have. Hell even certain items on tier sets have spirit...
@@HamsterWheelGaming i mean if you absolutely cant find an item upgrade sure go for the spirit one but besides that you wanna go for crit rating stat over spirit.
@@martianceo6861 I know, but at this gear level you really dont have much of a choice and you'll have to settle for suboptimal gear for the time being
What is the best professions for dk
Late to the party but usually engineering and jewelcrafting/blacksmithing. Engineering & Tailoring is viable for pvp with that extra burst. Tanks can go for mining.
But in the end all professions are relatively similar.
3.2K GS for Heroics? well, if I have that GS why doing Heroics in the first place