Sonic 2 Beta & Knuckles - All 10 get tested!
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2021
- What happens if you try to attach any of the Sonic 2 betas to the Sonic & Knuckles cartridge? We find that out today and the results are mixed...
Other prototypes and ROM hacks connecting to Sonic & Knuckles: • Prototypes & Knuckles
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3:57 RUclips autocaptions go "wow" right after you do that impressive stunt, can we just appreciate that beauty?
I also noticed "oh" and at the end when the continue jingle plays, [Applause]. Thanks, captions; very wholesome.
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@@markcox7433 yEs
Before Beta Prototypes: Give Sonic 1 stages
Every Beta: crashes or plays a sound
Beta 7: Can I offer you a special stage in this trying time?
Good job for spoiling it. Wait or did you. yup but your Knuckles
Yes
I kinda feel a creepypasta could be developed from the reset-loop DAC noise.
now I have this type of nightmares
@@SirWindZ80 nightmares
Another blue sphere challenge?! I can't wait to get on it 🥳 awesome video!
Completing another stage in Max Speed ey? You demon :p
U need dat blindfold looool
😵!!!
ur like jetpacks liam neeson yno
JP yo who is dis
BSD yo is me innit blu neeson wenever u upload blue sphere I be dere redy eeven do you probs dun no me I be uploading the same stage in flawless max speed bruv every time
JP oh no brav
BSD yo I be blue neeson bruv I find u innit
@@dannyantoun4176 I sincerely hope that I am not coming across like that lol
0:06 so they made the final title sequence in 3 days
Nice one☝️nice seeing the old consoles still being used. We used to have the master system growing up. No idea what’s happened to it now. I enjoy watching the blue sphere levels. Was impressed to see BSD The Blue Sphere Channel complete this in Max Speed! I think I will stick to trying the regular speed myself:p Great Video Thanks for sharing.
I wonder why the Pre-Beta has a beeping sound instead of a buzz. It would be interesting to edit the serial number of the earlier protos and see what's the noise. (My theory is that the beeping noise occurs because nothing properly works. A lot of things can be reused for Lock-On Technology, but not code itself. The patch ROM on the S&K cartridge contains all the extra assets needed as well as the entire Sonic 2 code. What I assume is occuring here is that the Knuckles in Sonic 2 code, when patching itself, tries to load all the reusable assets (Like graphics, level layouts, etc.) but fails due to the prototypes not having the same stuff in the same place, and ending up loading garbage data and failing. For the pre-Beta, it fails almost completely and emits this beep. And as the versions go on, the buzzing is probably getting slower as it manages to load more assets before encountering garbage data and resetting. Beta 8 is probably silent because it's almost identical to the final, and is only failing to load in a few places, I don't know.)
Sonic 3 1103 Prototype & Knuckles
Additionally, try the Sonic 3c 0408 build and the Sonic 3c 0517 build.
Those two sonic 3c builds would just boot up sonic & knuckles alone.
@@SyntaxTsundere The Sonic 3C Build They were redone in Sonic & Knuckles.
0:54 inside joke :)
This was interesting to watch. Too bad I missed out this stage, and something I need to include on my red sphere run.
Gosh, I certainly didn't expect only one of them to work. Nice job on the video though.
You surely have to do all the Sonic 3 betas, it’d also be interesting to see what Sonic 3 Complete would do
I expect S3C to just trigger S3K stuff
Sonic 3 Complete & Knuckles?
That’s what I’m guessing but it’s always worth a shot
@@clonefighter1996 probably not. I’d imagine it’s a different offset, therefore the game would crash in a similar matter to September 14th-beta 8.
The game would load sonic and knuckles from what I know every game over 2md will just load sak so between a crash or sak
1. Interesting...
2. That’s what it looks like when you get a random special stage instead of locking-on Sonic 1?
3. It feels weird not hearing his voice a single time in a video
0:47 BSOD screen sound but in genesis sound
2:25 I don't know why but dead silence gives me the creeps and an eerie vibe.
Great work.
RedHotSonic being awfully quiet since this dropped
Using the old tool I mentioned in that tweet, I think I got the Beta 7 Blue Sphere stage in everything except Nick Arcade, Simon Wai, and the August 21 prototype. Must be an oddity with the tool I guess
It sounds like the tool is ignoring the very last digit of the serial number? That would make sense if so because then the serial number would match across all of them except for the first three. But it shouldn't ignore it in theory.
Well, the tool is the Sonic & Knuckles Lock-On ROM Creator if you want to go more in-depth with it. It doesn't run under Windows 10, so you'd need a Windows XP virtual machine or something to run it.
0:39 Me when I’m in school in the middle of the night with nobody here and the lights went out walking in the building on my own.
When I saw that Special stage. I wanted to give it a go.
For those who have Blue Spheres Forever game from back then. The code will NOT work (I've tried many attempts to make sure.) You have to remake it in the editor to do it. Just have to find the level in a level generator online to recreate it. I already have and it was decent.
Sonic & Knuckles on a slightly edited sonic 2 or sonic 3 rom. Talking just a few bytes or chunks shifted, maybe edited object layouts. How would that work?
It wouldn't change anything, most of the actual code for S3&K and KiS2 is actually inside the S&K cartridge. The only thing actually taken from the top cartridge in both games is art and music data. Changing the level design in the Sonic 2 cart would change nothing since it's loading the modified level layouts from the S&K cartridge
@@evdestroy5304 Are we absolutely sure the level chunk data is loaded from the UPMEM chip here? Because as far as i'm aware the actual chunk array data is still loaded from the top game in both S2 and S3 cases.
@@SyntaxTsundere I believe so yes, most of the actual sonic 2 rom is stored on the s&k rom in its own chip
@@SyntaxTsundereyeah but theres level design changes to s3 and s2 when locked on so it'd probably just overwrite it
The first time I saw this i was thinking that Beta 8 Plays Knuckles in Sonic 2 lol.
Lucky number 7 it is. 7 chaos emeralds get you Super Sonic, and Beta #7 gets you that special prize.
Just needed to tell ya that you can press up on the dpad to start the level early
bro this dude is amazing at special stages
1:04 That sound gave me VHS vibes for some reason
ya
Will you try the sonic 3 prototype on it too?
Epic speed run
@Command64 r/woosh
@Command64 oh well sometimes the worst jokes somehow make people laugh somehow
I think the after the constant ear grading sounds, the buzz is the game failing to apply the patch, and trying again, and it gets slower because it manages to patch more data sucessfully before it runs into another error. Just a guess though
I wonder why the Pre-Beta has a beeping sound instead of a buzz. It would be interesting to edit the serial number of the earlier protos and see what's the noise. (My theory is that the beeping noise occurs because nothing properly works. A lot of things can be reused for Lock-On Technology, but not code itself. The patch ROM on the S&K cartridge contains all the extra assets needed as well as the entire Sonic 2 code. What I assume is occuring here is that the Knuckles in Sonic 2 code, when patching itself, tries to load all the reusable assets (Like graphics, level layouts, etc.) but fails due to the prototypes not having the same stuff in the same place, and ending up loading garbage data and failing. For the pre-Beta, it fails almost completely and emits this beep. And as the versions go on, the buzzing is probably getting slower as the assets are slowly starting to get where they are in the final. Beta 8 is probably silent because it's almost identical to the final, and is only failing to load in a few places, I don't know.
@@Roebloz Not a bad theory.
2:22 RUclips autocaptions are worried what's happening after the Knuckles' patch fails...
What happend if you change the prototypes serials to the sonic 2 serial?
I wonder if Beta 8 is _just_ identical enough to the REV00 final build for the patch to "succeed", only for it to hang when it actually attempts to run the game. (because it patched the wrong locations)
That’d require quite the disassembly of the prototype to figure out.
@@SyntaxTsundere You seem to have the knowledge of doing that.
@@J.S.06 I... kinda don’t to be honest. I know my way around disassembles to a degree, sure, but that’s nothing compared to what a full disassembly project would be like.
jet pack tails is basically rhs but with no voiceoover
What about Sonic 3 Betas and Knuckles?
Does SHC2020 hacks work on real hardware that the video i wanna see
Same
The diagonal blue spheres hurt my brain
@JetPackTails what if you modify the serial number in the rom, what would happen next?
Can you try sonic 3 beta and sonic 3 complete?
Does the restarting speed vary if put into different region console types?
Nope. I also tried with the Japanese Sonic & Knuckles. The results match.
Wait, in that case what would happen if you try attaching it to the current Sonic 3 Prototypes?
How about the sonic 3 November 1993 prototype? What would happen then?
Its kinda weird that there is still some beta’s that are out there and able to collect.
Also, 0:51 i think this also happens because knuckles probably doesn’t exist in the game yet. But im not really sure.
No because knuckles isn’t on the ROM of sonic 2 either and idrk how the lock on technology works to affect the cartridge but im guessing the patch is trying to overwrite memory that doesn’t exist or conflicts with existing memory which corrupts the game on startup or something like that
@@MicklePickle ah ok
Very interesting, somone said you could lock-on ''Sonic The Lost Worlds'' with ''Sonic & Knuckles'' but it is false as i've tried it myself. The only thing that loads is the title screen with Knuckles, once you go into the first zone being ''Dust Hill Zone'' the game corrupts and sends you back to the SEGA logo screen.
You mean this one? info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_-_The_Lost_Worlds
@@JetPackTails That's the one! I would love to see you review this game someday over on your main channel. It's honestly a beautiful game, different zones, music is a little different but it has plenty of dick moves and some enemies even respawn (probably a glitch) but it does not crash except sometimes if you jump on Rexon badnik in Rock Zone ported over from Hill Top. One of my personal favourites.
@@Oysterblade84 and it’s level design is leagues better than sonic delta 40mb
@@littlemacisunderrated412 Agreed. I can't even play Sonic Delta 40mb because it doesn't allow save states through the Mega EverDrive X7 and it doesn't save through battery back-up.
@@Oysterblade84 and I can’t play it because I use sega’s official emulator on steam, you know, support the developers, blah blah. Anyways because rom hacks are technically mods and not hacks, there’s no support for mappers. I had to find an alternate version that didn’t have the s3&k levels.
But yeah, the levels kinda annoyed me in a lot of places.
Can you play sonic Mania Genesis Rom on Sega Genesis console??
Before Beta Prototypes: I don't even wanna give u a special stage challenge
Every Beta: IM NOT GIVING YOU YOUR SONIC 2 PROTOTYPE & KNUCKLES
Beta 7: may I offer you a special stage challenge?
Every Beta (replying to Beta 7): N O
Beta 7 (replying to Every other beta): sorry I have to
Nice
next Sonic 3 beta???
I never thought all of them were cartriges
I wonder if you can force it to load..
I PLAYED THIS BEFORE
scary noises...
Rom hacks & knuckles?
What about beta 8
What about the s&k prototype?
@Johny Łodyga there is a s&k prototype
In my opinion it’s more interesting than the sonic 3 one
@Johny Łodyga just did some more research
So it originally was going to be sonic 3 special edition, but was scrapped for the lock on idea
Kids,dont watch this at night
Who else thought this was redhotsonic
i think it goes to the special stage cuz sonic 2 is built off of sonic 1
Sound Like!! A Vcr! And Static Noise
hi RHS/JPT
Hi. Sonic 2 (2013) ROM .bin even exist?
no it doesn’t
Wait..... Oooooooh how about sonic 3 prototype
I'ma take a guess and say that both games have NO idea what you're trying to do
Makes me wonder if the crashing in Betas 3 (assuming CENSOR is Beta 3) thru 6 is being caused by the decompression routines being thrown off by the misplaced data
1:04 VHS
Let me save you some time: Either it doesn't work or it loads blue sphere
WHY NO SOUND?
Sorry the sound is back
Also why isn't your mic on in this one!?
Wait... he didn’t do Beta 8!!!
He do Beta 8
And it fails to load..... Completely silente.
0:14 and 0:22
Hi
Sonic. exe
Hoi
Use the sonic 1 prototype and use it and uhh do some tech stuff and real hardware test and uhh test if sonic and knuckles on ds and test hardware stufff
(I don’t know what I’m saying)
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