A wee tip. Gates are great as streaky says. But if you’re working on a cpu and ram limited computer it’s best to go a bit old school and spend the time chopping and fading vocal tracks and the same goes for other tracks that have obvious gaps. If you chop on vocals make sure you can hear the breath into a line and out - you don’t want chopped breathing. Obviously there will be tracks where you want/need to remove a breath. But it’s a good rule of thumb. Gates are amazing - vocals. Snares. Etc but they can be cpu hungry. Another brilliant video from the master.
No wibbling on, no terrible songs to endure, just on the money advice from a genuine pro - Id recommend the Logic Pro x boot-camp its been a game changer for me
A great reminder that you don't need to spend the earth on fancy plugins and stock plugins can get you very far and to beware of clever marketing and fancy interfaces
Thanks for the tutorial Streaky, as a logic user myself it pleases me to see you use stock plug ins to such good effect. I like the idea of bussing the delay back through the reverb😊
“The midi pack!! Unbelievable MIDI PACK!! You need a melody?? I GOTCH YOU!” 😂. Love your channel Streaky and more than willing to watch that awful midi pack advertisement the thousandth time for your wisdom. 🙏🙏🙏
The gate is chopping the vocal badly on "give it up". automating the threshhold might be a good way to get that sorted :) 3:11 for instance. Also, apply the EQ before the Gate, so you can get more signal to noise before setting the threshold.
Thanks so much for this. Pearls of wisdom dropping all thru this. Much appreciated that you’re using the stock Logic plugins. Most of the Logic plugins sound pretty damn good, and they are budget friendly.
Best vocal chain (my version): good vocalist → good room → good mic that fits to vocalist and song → good preamp (preferably with good EQ) that also fits to vocalist and song → 1 or 2 compressors for transient control and stabilization of vocal performance → good AD converter.
"I want the absolute best of everything!" Thank you for your amazing contribution! Who would have thought of that amazing chain! The thing is, you learn so much more when not everything is perfect and you have to look for solutions... Give me an experienced pro sound engineer, a Focusrite USB mic with a Behringer SM58 clone and a singer with something to express... Chances for a legendary recording are exactly the same as with your "gearslutz generic wishlist" setup.
@@SoulFood99 I wrote "good", not "best". But... Yes, the best is the enemy of the good. I will be interested to see how a mix engineer suffers in trying to remove the harshness and resonances of a cheap mic capsule, while trying to preserve the vocal timbre. I've done this many times. I don't want any more pain, suffering, or a wasted time. Thank you, but at least I'd prefer a good microphone from my "gearslutz generic wishlist".
@@jenyamelnikoff3404 Hendrix sang into an SM57. I'm not saying good gear doesn't help, I'm just saying your comment was a bit dumb. Mostly because you were talking about a tracking signal chain in a comment about a mixing plugin signal chain. But even for tracking... I have never been in a recording session where tracking a dry vocal for a project required two outboard compressors just to get a safe signal into the AD. If not for live sound, I don't even get why you would use an EQ while tracking. It just complicates things and adds color before you know what color will be actually needed in the mix. And you end up fighting whatever you did while tracking. Not always, most of the time. But you do you, man!
You're generous with epithets and value judgments... Ok. Then I'll let myself do the same. You took my comment seriously. That's a bit dumb because it was a joke. I'm sorry, but I'm not to blame for your straight thinking. You used Hendricks as an example. That's a bit dumb, since we live in a different time when good mics are available for a reasonable price. The sound changed too. The approach of those years to recording and mixing is not in demand now. "I don't even get why you would use an EQ while tracking." The colour/tone is the reason. Many people want to get the desired sound in the session. To pay less attention to this at the mix stage. Have you ever thought about this? Why so many record engineers and producers prefer good channel strips and compressors for recording? For what? Maybe they are stupid ? No.They're looking for the tone, the character. For some, this is metaphysics. For people who understand hardware design, there is nothing metaphysical about it. Tubes, transformers, capacitors, VCA's e.t.c... All this adds its own color to the sound. Much of this cannot be reproduced in a digital domain. "I have never been in a recording session where tracking a dry vocal for a project required two outboard compressors just to get a safe signal into the AD." It's about tone, it's about character, note about safe signal. "It just complicates things and adds color before you know what color will be actually needed in the mix." Just have a good experience and trust your ears and your mind. Bye!
@@jenyamelnikoff3404 Sorry man, had no idea it was a joke... It's a stressful time and it got the best of me, I guess. I see you are "a bit" more experienced that what I thought of you after your joke comment and everything you wrote is of course correct, as you know. It makes sense in the scenario you have described, sure. But this is so far removed from anything I would do in a recording situation when tracking vocals... In the case of... Let's say guitars... Getting the tone the artist wants while tracking is the goal. Play with different amps and mics and tweak the crappy EQ on the amp into oblivion! Use all the effect pedals you want. It's all part of the sound! It makes complete sense to use them while tracking! Vocal tracking? For me, it is the opposite. Let the singer hear him/herself, so that they have complete control over their performance. Capture their performance and then mix it. Like in the video we are commenting on, you know? It is a video about a plugin chain for vocals. The example is a relatively noisy performance, recorded in a dead room (not a " good room" as you wanted. The room is removed from the recording as much as possible). Streaky then shows how to manipulate the dry recording with a chain of plug ins. After it was recorded with, I am almost certain, no compression or EQ. And definitely no echo or delay.
That gate was way too aggressive. Maybe it would sound fine in the mix, but you can hear it chopping off parts of words. Personally I think it's better to just leave the headphone bleed. Either that or automate the volume each time the vocals stop. If you listen to so many of the most legendary songs, the isolated tracks are extremely noisy. It doesn't matter.
Is this true? as ive been told that a constant buildup of excess noise in the background (headphone bleed) can cause the mix to be muddy and unclear when the song is complete??
@@andrewgallagher1856 you can't hear headphone bleed anyway. There's a ton of huge albums with headphone bleed all over them and you can't hear it except in the soloed tracks.
That gate in the beginning sounded super crappy. SHE LITERALLY SINGS “..eeling me baby’ in stead of ‘feeling me baby’ after he’s done with the gate (!!) and then on subsequent words you clearly hear aggressive popping and the same background noises are even more pronounced when he’s done. TF is going on here? This is bs
Hey, this is so helpful, have always overdone the vocals, but this is perfect and so well presented for a slow coach like me to take in? Can't wait to try all this out, thank you so much.
I have a quicker way of getting the same results on my mixes. I just use the following two plugins. I use Dada (Endless Smile) to get that transparent reverb that is clear, airy and not overly reverby. Then, I use Center by Waves to filter out any excess punch, reverb or side chain noise in the vocals. Of course, that would be after getting the vocals to proper EQ, Panning and CLA EQing if necessary. If the vocals still needed to be more pronounced or encapsulated into it's own niche, I would use the plugin DC-10 that is usually used on drums but also has a track styling capability of sorts. But, at the exact point this reference on this video is at, I would just use Dada and Center. Done. Cheers, from New York City.
'Sorry to intrude, hit the like button down there...' Haha you're such a funny character Streaky proper British! You do make me laugh a lot! I appreciate your videos and how much you share for free also mate, you can feel your technical wisdom and no bullshit attitude! I got your mixing accelerator and Spotify mastering courses and they have helped me a lot already! Especially the organisation and routing for the starting mixing templates has helped a lot get a more professional sound! A note for others is what I've found a lot recently after many years is that so much to a good sound is of course quality source material but also just good.volume balancing, EQing and parallel compression sends makes a big difference! :)
I'm sorry but didn't anyone notice that he started editing the one that was already finished. He only played the dry one once at the very beginning. Around 1:00 mark he says "here it is bone dry", but he plays the "wet" one. It's still great to see your process and steps, but it helps more to hear you turn the dry track into this just to get the ear training.
i know some people use the stock Amp Designer in Logic to create a sort of tube preamp to use at the start of a vocal chain. I haven't tried that yet (I use Hornet Plugins' Valvola) but it sounds plausible.
Great - the download chain is a fab idea as it makes it possible to play around with parameters. Happy if you stick to Logic and their native plugins. Wondering if Group buss equalisation/compression, as you did a few days ago, would be good to do - perhaps for keys or drums?
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WOW I really learned a lot in this short video. I've used EQ, Reverb, Delay before but not really understanding to well just going by ear. You explained it really well. I had some vocal tracks with some heavy breathy in between vocals and I tried cutting some of the noise space but your technique of using the noise gate did the track, followed by EQ, Compression, Reverb and delay. I now have some clean up vocal tracks. I also learned to set up a BUS. Question if you have multiple vocal tracks lets say 2 leads to fatten up the sound, 3 for choruses, can you or should you use the same bus?
It´s sometimes fun, to do it the other way around. Sending the wet reverb signal to a (stereo-)delay. Nice for automation. BTW: What would happen, if you send back the reverb bus to the delay bus in your setting? Feedback, right? Should I try, or is it a bad idea, because my system would crash?
![How To Get Professional Vocals in Logic Pro X [With Only Stock Plug-Ins!]](/img/1.gif)
Hope you like this little tutorial in Logic, let me know what other tutorials you want to see and in what DAWS below...
Kick and snare transient vs body balance and how do you approach clipping if you use any
Streaky Logic Pro mastering chain (stock plugs)
Possibly Ableton live trying to work with vocals currently.
ok thanks
tutorial how to master please
i almost cried today because i couldnt mix vocals the way i wanted. this helped me get my foot in the door and save WEEKS of time. tysm! -James DH
A wee tip. Gates are great as streaky says. But if you’re working on a cpu and ram limited computer it’s best to go a bit old school and spend the time chopping and fading vocal tracks and the same goes for other tracks that have obvious gaps. If you chop on vocals make sure you can hear the breath into a line and out - you don’t want chopped breathing. Obviously there will be tracks where you want/need to remove a breath. But it’s a good rule of thumb. Gates are amazing - vocals. Snares. Etc but they can be cpu hungry. Another brilliant video from the master.
You should definitely do the next voice over for commentator in the next fifa game lol
😂😂😂🔥
Haha so true! :D
Make it happen!
Omg yes😂
hahaha that would be quality
No wibbling on, no terrible songs to endure, just on the money advice from a genuine pro - Id recommend the Logic Pro x boot-camp its been a game changer for me
A great reminder that you don't need to spend the earth on fancy plugins and stock plugins can get you very far and to beware of clever marketing and fancy interfaces
fancy interfaces make a difference lol
@@moremotionmoremotion how much of one
when you hold down control and than click on a track to solo it the other track that was in solo will no longer be in solo
Thanks for the tutorial Streaky, as a logic user myself it pleases me to see you use stock plug ins to such good effect. I like the idea of bussing the delay back through the reverb😊
“The midi pack!! Unbelievable MIDI PACK!! You need a melody?? I GOTCH YOU!” 😂. Love your channel Streaky and more than willing to watch that awful midi pack advertisement the thousandth time for your wisdom. 🙏🙏🙏
you got lucky, I had to watch amy schumer shouting about her period before the video
The gate is chopping the vocal badly on "give it up". automating the threshhold might be a good way to get that sorted :) 3:11 for instance. Also, apply the EQ before the Gate, so you can get more signal to noise before setting the threshold.
thought the same, also little bit deessing.
Even the F-sound on the very first word is being cut.
Can you please make another video title how to get professional sounding quality in Logic Pro X please brother 🙏
about the compression, you can also use a Eq dection compressor and HP the vocal for quicker response :)
Love the bus tip for sending delay to the Reverb, great explanation will check out your mix perfect vocals vid
It's refreshing to see someone so conservative on the reverb. Smart. Thank you.
Only just discovered this channel. Absolute gold.
Thanks so much for this. Pearls of wisdom dropping all thru this. Much appreciated that you’re using the stock Logic plugins. Most of the Logic plugins sound pretty damn good, and they are budget friendly.
Best vocal chain (my version):
good vocalist → good room → good mic that fits to vocalist and song → good preamp (preferably with good EQ) that also fits to vocalist and song → 1 or 2 compressors for transient control and stabilization of vocal performance → good AD converter.
"I want the absolute best of everything!" Thank you for your amazing contribution! Who would have thought of that amazing chain!
The thing is, you learn so much more when not everything is perfect and you have to look for solutions...
Give me an experienced pro sound engineer, a Focusrite USB mic with a Behringer SM58 clone and a singer with something to express... Chances for a legendary recording are exactly the same as with your "gearslutz generic wishlist" setup.
@@SoulFood99 I wrote "good", not "best". But... Yes, the best is the enemy of the good.
I will be interested to see how a mix engineer suffers in trying to remove the harshness and resonances of a cheap mic capsule, while trying to preserve the vocal timbre.
I've done this many times. I don't want any more pain, suffering, or a wasted time. Thank you, but at least I'd prefer a good microphone from my "gearslutz generic wishlist".
@@jenyamelnikoff3404 Hendrix sang into an SM57. I'm not saying good gear doesn't help, I'm just saying your comment was a bit dumb.
Mostly because you were talking about a tracking signal chain in a comment about a mixing plugin signal chain. But even for tracking... I have never been in a recording session where tracking a dry vocal for a project required two outboard compressors just to get a safe signal into the AD. If not for live sound, I don't even get why you would use an EQ while tracking. It just complicates things and adds color before you know what color will be actually needed in the mix. And you end up fighting whatever you did while tracking. Not always, most of the time.
But you do you, man!
You're generous with epithets and value judgments... Ok. Then I'll let myself do the same.
You took my comment seriously. That's a bit dumb because it was a joke. I'm sorry, but I'm not to blame for your straight thinking.
You used Hendricks as an example. That's a bit dumb, since we live in a different time when good mics are available for a reasonable price. The sound changed too. The approach of those years to recording and mixing is not in demand now.
"I don't even get why you would use an EQ while tracking." The colour/tone is the reason.
Many people want to get the desired sound in the session. To pay less attention to this at the mix stage. Have you ever thought about this?
Why so many record engineers and producers prefer good channel strips and compressors for recording? For what? Maybe they are stupid ? No.They're looking for the tone, the character. For some, this is metaphysics. For people who understand hardware design, there is nothing metaphysical about it. Tubes, transformers, capacitors, VCA's e.t.c... All this adds its own color to the sound. Much of this cannot be reproduced in a digital domain.
"I have never been in a recording session where tracking a dry vocal for a project required two outboard compressors just to get a safe signal into the AD."
It's about tone, it's about character, note about safe signal.
"It just complicates things and adds color before you know what color will be actually needed in the mix." Just have a good experience and trust your ears and your mind.
Bye!
@@jenyamelnikoff3404 Sorry man, had no idea it was a joke... It's a stressful time and it got the best of me, I guess.
I see you are "a bit" more experienced that what I thought of you after your joke comment and everything you wrote is of course correct, as you know.
It makes sense in the scenario you have described, sure. But this is so far removed from anything I would do in a recording situation when tracking vocals... In the case of... Let's say guitars... Getting the tone the artist wants while tracking is the goal. Play with different amps and mics and tweak the crappy EQ on the amp into oblivion! Use all the effect pedals you want. It's all part of the sound! It makes complete sense to use them while tracking!
Vocal tracking? For me, it is the opposite. Let the singer hear him/herself, so that they have complete control over their performance. Capture their performance and then mix it.
Like in the video we are commenting on, you know? It is a video about a plugin chain for vocals. The example is a relatively noisy performance, recorded in a dead room (not a " good room" as you wanted. The room is removed from the recording as much as possible).
Streaky then shows how to manipulate the dry recording with a chain of plug ins.
After it was recorded with, I am almost certain, no compression or EQ. And definitely no echo or delay.
Would love to see you do this with fabfilter plugins 👍
Def!!
Yeah please do this mate!
I waaait
That gate was way too aggressive. Maybe it would sound fine in the mix, but you can hear it chopping off parts of words. Personally I think it's better to just leave the headphone bleed. Either that or automate the volume each time the vocals stop. If you listen to so many of the most legendary songs, the isolated tracks are extremely noisy. It doesn't matter.
Is this true? as ive been told that a constant buildup of excess noise in the background (headphone bleed) can cause the mix to be muddy and unclear when the song is complete??
Having a gate is good. But i agree it is too aggressive. There is a way to smooth out and make sure it doesn’t cut off the words.
@@andrewgallagher1856 you can't hear headphone bleed anyway. There's a ton of huge albums with headphone bleed all over them and you can't hear it except in the soloed tracks.
He addresses it in the video dude, and then goes on to explaining how it's only a starting point to "get you out of jail".
That gate in the beginning sounded super crappy. SHE LITERALLY SINGS
“..eeling me baby’ in stead of ‘feeling me baby’ after he’s done with the gate (!!) and then on subsequent words you clearly hear aggressive popping and the same background noises are even more pronounced when he’s done.
TF is going on here?
This is bs
Hey, this is so helpful, have always overdone the vocals, but this is perfect and so well presented for a slow coach like me to take in? Can't wait to try all this out, thank you so much.
You helped me make my first track using logic, also shit sound so damn kleeen, god bless broo❤️
Wow super amazing sound
I have a quicker way of getting the same results on my mixes. I just use the following two plugins. I use Dada (Endless Smile) to get that transparent reverb that is clear, airy and not overly reverby. Then, I use Center by Waves to filter out any excess punch, reverb or side chain noise in the vocals. Of course, that would be after getting the vocals to proper EQ, Panning and CLA EQing if necessary. If the vocals still needed to be more pronounced or encapsulated into it's own niche, I would use the plugin DC-10 that is usually used on drums but also has a track styling capability of sorts. But, at the exact point this reference on this video is at, I would just use Dada and Center. Done. Cheers, from New York City.
Thank you so much! And God bless you!
it's my first time with logic .. thank you ... i will show you my results.😁
LOVING IT!!! I could take my recordings to the next level...perfect! THANK YOU
Big fan of your video’s, keep it up!
Always with dope tutorials ! 💯 👌
Thank you Champ I needed this 🐐
cool vid mate
Love the new exciting graphics/video editing!
Great stuff keep the videos coming sir
Great info, thank you kind sir!
thank you bro, awsome
Thank you for these tutorials Streaky , really great advice/ information much appreciated
Nice video. Thanks so much dude.
I like this a lot! So thank you very much!!! :)
Thank you so much learned lots of new things. AMAZING
Amazing stuff mate really amazing.
'Sorry to intrude, hit the like button down there...' Haha you're such a funny character Streaky proper British! You do make me laugh a lot! I appreciate your videos and how much you share for free also mate, you can feel your technical wisdom and no bullshit attitude! I got your mixing accelerator and Spotify mastering courses and they have helped me a lot already! Especially the organisation and routing for the starting mixing templates has helped a lot get a more professional sound!
A note for others is what I've found a lot recently after many years is that so much to a good sound is of course quality source material but also just good.volume balancing, EQing and parallel compression sends makes a big difference! :)
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I'm sorry but didn't anyone notice that he started editing the one that was already finished. He only played the dry one once at the very beginning. Around 1:00 mark he says "here it is bone dry", but he plays the "wet" one. It's still great to see your process and steps, but it helps more to hear you turn the dry track into this just to get the ear training.
I love your vids!! one of the best channels for all my music needs! my music has soared since following you so thank you!
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That was amazing. You learn something new every day. I have Subscribed to your channel now.
well presented ,thanks a lot
Thank you Streaky…Logic user here…love your content
Amazing. Thank you
Love the channel and your tips are brilliant just a quick message to say thanks for sharing any knowledge and looking forward to more new content 🙂
i know some people use the stock Amp Designer in Logic to create a sort of tube preamp to use at the start of a vocal chain. I haven't tried that yet (I use Hornet Plugins' Valvola) but it sounds plausible.
yoooooooo you're the best for this thank you- you just saved me hahah
Very cool tips. Thanks
Thank you so much for another great tutorial!
Haha this vocal was used in You’ll Be There - Drinks On Me!!
This tutorial was a game changer, thanks so much man
Nice thanks Streaky for another good advice.
Thank you for making such a wonderful content ❤️
Very helpful! Thanks
OH THIS IS GODLY !!
great job and as a American I can understand you!
love what u doing my guy
dw i gave u the thumb up n looking forward to more content :)
Thanks for your help ☺
Great - the download chain is a fab idea as it makes it possible to play around with parameters.
Happy if you stick to Logic and their native plugins. Wondering if Group buss equalisation/compression, as you did a few days ago, would be good to do - perhaps for keys or drums?
More and more appreciate your content mister steaky 🙏👌🤘👍
You made my morning ❤
Great lesson! Thanks!
AYE MAN I LIKE YOU YOUR MY FAVORITE TEACHER PRODUCER (GATES GET YOU OUTTA JAIL) 🤣AHHHHHH Producer joke I love em BTW I just found you cuz I wanted to expand my knowledge on the mixing of the vocals. im deff going to remember you and you have my follow! and notifications on!!!!! YOU ARE DOING GREAT KEEP UP THE GOOD WORKKK you will see me some day thanks to you!!!
great vid. more logic ones please!!
loved this i smashed that like button right when u interrupted lol def will be watching more
gr8 video - I am a fan!👍
LIKED SUBS bc you explained so clearly to us❤️ Thankyou!!!
i don't normally comment on videos but this is was super helpful. thank you so much
Subscribed! Learned a lot!
Nice job! Thanks for sharing.
Great!!
Nice and Simple Video
I like this, thanks for simplifying
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The dehrtey nastey lower end off off the reverb hahahaha
Old school is good nice video
Thanks a lot for your very useful guidance. 🙏
WOW I really learned a lot in this short video. I've used EQ, Reverb, Delay before but not really understanding to well just going by ear. You explained it really well. I had some vocal tracks with some heavy breathy in between vocals and I tried cutting some of the noise space but your technique of using the noise gate did the track, followed by EQ, Compression, Reverb and delay. I now have some clean up vocal tracks. I also learned to set up a BUS.
Question if you have multiple vocal tracks lets say 2 leads to fatten up the sound, 3 for choruses, can you or should you use the same bus?
This was definitely a life saver 💪🏽
you mix your own music? what’s ya ig
Thank you!
😂😂😂😂accurate example of what my vocals be sounding like
Duro como se oye ese vocal chain con musica hiphop
Most excellent
It´s sometimes fun, to do it the other way around. Sending the wet reverb signal to a (stereo-)delay. Nice for automation.
BTW: What would happen, if you send back the reverb bus to the delay bus in your setting? Feedback, right? Should I try, or is it a bad idea, because my system would crash?
You are the Best
the dry vocals didn't really sound dry to me. They sounded compressed already.
very helpful. Thanks!
Legend
Hey the link to the template just leads to the website
nice video I liked it its so informative.
very helpful..thanks allot
Life saver
What a guy 💪🏾
Brilliant insight !!!
where is the download link?
send the DLY also to REV. I'll try that. Thanks!