️🔥 Billie Eilish VOCAL CHAIN PLUGINS Exposed! (Part 1)
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Yes ... I see many times the best thing is to have two compressors in a vocal chain, one more "loose" for power and control and the more active - the second one that gives you that surgical approach at the end so you "fine tune" the vocals to the mix. It's counterintuitive because you would think that it's too much or you will lost the dynamics (that is left ...) but it works like a charm. Great video Mr. Streaky. 👍👍
I use 3
I like an 1176 first to tame initial peaks then a La2a farther down the chain to smooth and add some girth to the entire vocal track ;)
seems like alot of high end studios have it going thru analog then to the daw. so if you only are working with plugings youd probably wanna compress and raise dynamics then eq and compress again :)
@@Heffxstudio It's the best approach ... I don't work with computer daw at all, just at the end for mastering or for extra sample manipulation. It's best do to as much as you can outside the "cold, un- alive, sterile" computer environment. :)) For vocals especially you want to first have something analog or high end digital (before you go to computer daw...) to warm things up and give it some character ...
billie is super lucky to have an amazing producer in her corner from the start. finding the right engineers is most of the battle when it comes to the over all direction you want to go. to be able to find someone that fits at 14 gave her a massive advantage over the people that have to either do it them selves or pay someone. something tells me without finneas, there would be no billie eilish.
fr tho. I wish I had an older brother that can produce lol. Even though I produce my own stuff, having someone who works with you and can provide a new perspective all the time is super valuable. One of the hardest things for me is knowing when the song is done because I can get too focused on every small imperfection. When you work with someone else it doesn't happen as much.
@@jnthnofficial i feel you, im sitting on 2000 "unfinished" songs. can find plenty of producers that make beats, but when it comes to the comping, mixing and mastering, 90% of them suck. finneas had been sound engineering for a decade before we heard anything from billie, not to mention his education is in audio. as much as i want to sit here and give billie props, shes just a product of her brothers life long work. her raw vocal is still far better than most, but i cant help but feel that if it wasnt for finneas already spending 10 years on his craft, the chances of billie becoming billie are slim to non. you can have finneas without billie, but you cant have billie without finneas, it sounds completely different.
@@taylorcliff6609 I totally agree with you, I started producing in 1994 (actually it was before that in 80's as a real kid) but I mean when I first got a Computer (PC) for the task with Cubase, and let me say I was only 13 then. 41 now. Everyone told me I was doing the wrong thing, apperently I was right haha. Whilst I am not famous, dont really care for it.. I just like making people tracks shine I litterally am in this for the love, although I do get paid quite well.. but I mean its all about the side projects too where you help someone with talent but no money its a careful balance -that usually equates to collaboration and a split if something does come in. I have met countless people over the years that can do a handful of things but not the comping etc.. as you mentioned. The only thing I cant do is "sing" but Im fine with pretty much everything else, been doing it long enough. I hope you finish your songs, just have about 3 on rotation and check back with them every couple of days, if not producing yourself use your phone to record the idea on Piano/Guitar and sing.. if no instrument just find some intrumentals you like on youtube and write.. If wanted a producer to help you will find a great one for yourself, just keep listening to peoples work; my jobs have only been through word of mouth; bearly touch the online world but I have been advised that I should.. thus why here on and off now on RUclips. I dont have online presence. technically do have a soundcloud - somoene was pushing me to upload some tracks.. nothing significent there though and uploaded those years ago, as bearly touch social media apart from a bit of YT.. but maybe oneday I will.. again just not all that fussed. Good luck with your music both of you; as in other person being @Jnthn
@@InsertPlaySmile i am a vocalist / song writer but at this point rather than spending money on getting things mixed and mastered for release i rather just sell my songs and reference tracks. i live in a country of 4m people and the music industry here just doesnt really exist so world of mouth, sadly, revolves entirely around numbers and whether you on radio, no one cares about anything that's independent. my close circle of friends don't even listen to my work, they simply just don't care enough. very confusing time to be making music where i live, i don't think ill ever see a single cent from the last 15 years of work.
@@taylorcliff6609 I see what you mean, I also agree to a point that no one cares, becuase I seen that attitude from people in power in the industry too..I always think there is an audience for everyone too, but it depends how far a person wants to go with it; or how easy is it from a logistic point of view. Then I guess really all you can do is make it for the love of it.. (not far off what Im doing at least with my own personal music) Some artists over the years go through the same thing, with non interest from friends and/or others too and only after people have been and gone are they recognised.. such a shame when that happens. Keep the music real
6:00 1st EQ
7:00 1st Compressor
7:51 Reverb
9:12 2nd EQ
10:10 2nd Compressor/Limiter
You forgot the delay brother☹️
8:35
this is pretty much what I do already, always surprised that I know more than I think
Exactly the video I needed at the moment. Thank you Streaky!
Everything's great, but you are going to ruin your neck man, you're leaning, instead of sitting upright. I am off-topic, but please look after yourself ☮
This is NOT the actual vocal chain. This is a recreation for Logic Pro X based on the types of plugins he might use in order. He's not using stock plugins. It's good that you've gone through and explained how someone could use stock plugins in a similar way. The commentary on it is good.
This is just a demo piece of Apple. Is it exposed if it's something every Logic Pro X user gets for free??
I was going to ask about this.
Clickbait crap.
eq part
streaky : "...adding a lil bit warmth to vocal..."
me, watching 5-7 db boost : "👀 "
"You wouldn't normally put a reverb on the channel"
Actually, I feel a lot of modern pop, dance & other highly-produced genres would, for vocals and many other sounds.
The whole point is to then have a compressor / distortion / what-have-you lift up the reverb tails at the end of vocal when applied after the 'verb.
Doing this with sends would than require you to send the reverb & vocal channel back to a new channel, which is needless extra work.
Send/bus fetishism feels like an artifact of people who began working decades ago.
Working in Logic just as Phineas. Full dedication bruh.❤
this session looks "too perfect" tbh. I feel like logic replaced any non stock plugins and "prettied" up the session for marketing purposes. Could be 100% wrong but that's what it looks like
I agree but it’s a good place to be when you’re doing a session
Exactly. Why are we perpetuating Apple’s marketing myth that this is what they recorded? Especially as an engineer with so much experience. Those raw vox don’t sound raw at all.
@J nah. That’s an easy thing to think that makes the equipment manufacturers more money. After you’ve recorded sound for awhile, you realize that the sound of your room is way more of a factor than the mic / pre-amp brand / model.
Better equipment is more sensitive. Lol. I remember how “bad” I thought my first condenser mic sounded, because it picked up every little thing in the room. Turns out the room sound sucked, and the mic was just doing its job.
@August Black sounds right, and a good point. I haven’t removed all the plugins and listened. The “dry” vocals in the video didn’t sound very dry.
You know, to your point, if that’s accurate, getting her vocals from noisy to the allegedly “dry” we heard in the video would be a great tutorial.
I agree with August Black. The raw vocals in this session sound pretty bad. Lots of spill, click, and very lifeless. Much like an AT2020, which was supposedly used to record it. Is it unbelievable that stock plugins could do this? Check out Latch by Disclosure, almost all Logic Plugins, but great performances.
Bro. Those vox without effects are clean as hell. It's not normal. 😂😂😂
Best thing I LOVE about session reveals is when pros/reviewers/producers/engineers (me included) say things like: “NORMALLY You’re Not Supposed To Do XYZ or put this effect here”, but YET, in the session -> ALLL The Rules have been BROKEN! And THAT’s why the songs sound so dope! 😈👌🏽
absolutely amazing video! thank you so much for that
feeling a lot more control over vocals after this
hope to see some more like these videos
An often overlooked feature about Logic Pro X is that it comes with the full project file of "Colors" by Beck, and now Billie Eilish's "Ocean Eyes". A nice analysis, but hardly an exposure.
Will be fo some that haven’t bothered to open it !
Damn colors has crazy production wish I had logic just to see that
Noticed this browsin around at the apple store 😂
@@Streaky_com yep that’s meeee. I had no idea it even existed. How do you get it?
It’s more of the fact this man chose to sit down and explain step by step certain things a beginner wouldn’t know. This is cool to watch
I keep returning to this production for inspiration and direction. One thing I'm curious to see someone like Streaky break down is the specific reverb settings (thinking filter). I really think that reverb is what gives this production it's unique style. I noticed that Finneas has the filter begin at 170 ish hertz and break around 7k hertz. It ramps up rather quickly too. I've also seen on some of his other productions that he has saved specific reverb that he has made with space designer. I think this would be worth looking into and has made me consider spending quite a bit of time here to find my own reverb settings for productions. Glad space designer gives you this much control.
I haven’t listened to this song but it sounds good and cool to see how it’s created.
Definitely a nice 👍🏾 video thanks 🙏
you can tell her voice sounds younger, too!
That “take 37” BREATH !!!! bruh!!! That was genius!! 🥺🔥
Incredible content Streaky, thanks so much for your honest and easily digestible tutorials like this - this gives me so much hope and inspiration that by doing the right things in the right way you can truly learn to master this craft without it being top secret voodoo witchcraft!
this information is so valuable. thank u streaky
in all their tutorials and track breakdowns they never get close enough to the mixer for you to see the vocal chain
Fantastic video. He get's right into the good stuff and his explanations are vivid and clear. Looking forward to more.
Interesting and helpful video, looking forward to part 2.
I love reverb on the channel to give a track vibe. Reverb on a send will keep the vocal super present and is key in a dense mix but this song doesn’t need that. Very interesting breakdown!
There you go...this is how i like it ...make more vid...
bro you so f....ing good!!! damn is years that i follow you! top top top
Great video 👌
I learnt something today.
Been sending my efx bus(es) separately to the mix bus. Will try efx bussed to their respective sub group; or as an insert as per this vocal.
Never realised how good the At2020 can sound dry
Sure but it's because of Billie's voice. She can make any mic sound good.
had one for 10 years, it's surprisingly good for the money if you can get the placement right
@@blashuvec no your wrong , yes a good vocal performance can override and make us not care too much about the quality of the sonics of a vocal, but the shitty sounding frequencys that are coming from that microphone will remain. And in this case the at2020 sounds fairly balanced not too much mud or shrill highs that usually come with cheap microphones especially ones that are $100 never the less I’m impressed
@@Anonymous-dh4fl Shawn Everett recorded Brittany Howard on the album Sound and Colour using weird radioshack mics that Brittany brought to the session and they sounded shitty but her performance was so good it didn't matter. Won a Grammy too. I'm not saying you should only use cheap mics cuz that would be dumb but my point is the perfomance and the music that you capture is what makes it sound great regardless of what mics you used whether high quality or not.
@@Anonymous-dh4fl if the singer is much more comfortable with using cheap mics and it will help them perform an amazing performance and be in the moment then i'd rather solve the "problems" that it may have than use an expensive mic but have a not so good performance. although it wouldn't hurt to use a tube mic if it's possible.. but I don't rly care
Version on Spotify is much brighter anyway, some stereo widening and they changed some reverbs on the clap and changed the kick. Maybe you could explain some opposing choices. On the Vocal Texture bus? First the cut highs with a shelving Console EQ but after that 'they' boost the highs with a shelving channel EQ? Why not just leave it then?
This is pretty close to the premaster if I'd have to guess. Widening and eq sweetening is often left for mastering as they might have better sounding eqs, experience and monitoring than mixing engineers do.
it cant be comfortable leaning over like that too see the screen all day surely
this aint no exposing.. she shares the logic files freely
I’ve got to put something I’m looking for viewers 🤷🏻♂️
Haha even your videos are LOUD! Thanks Streaky, I appreciate your job here.
On simply words the artist here is the engineering
Does this dude's neck not hurt after hours of looking down
I'm kind of doing the same thing with Cubase, using stock plugins and the quality is unreal. Every day less and less 3prt plugs
Yes I kinda been using more native stuff than 3rd party stuff.
I do stick to the Steven Slate stuff for mixdowns.
Granted the Cubase stock plugs are better sounding than the Ableton stuff
Thanks for this. I can't help but think how todays artist just seem to copy each other. When you started with the vocals playback, Billie sounds like Lana Del Ray? So many layers of vocals and effects these days, then they can't re-produce the recorded parts, when they play live. So many acts today who are making millions, use pre-recorded backing vocals and instruments. I was watching a live concert video of Dua Lipa, it was a festival, she had two female dancers with her, the song starts and all of a sudden these vocals come through the mix, but no one on stage is singing. Proper performing live musicians are a dying race. Next thing when we go to a festival, the acts don't perform live, they'll use holograms??
Everyone be like « here is the EXACT chain of said artist » without ever mentioning that it was recorded thru a pultec multiband compressor lol. Without any effect of the chain it sound already perfect
Hi streaky, thanks for this video. Whats the purpose of checking out finneas vocal chain in this session if you say in the beginning of this video, that this project is obviously going to a mix engineer? That actualy means that the final product went through a total different chain, or am i wrong?
I don't know but I can point out that the vocal chain and how an engineer uses that chain are different things.
You are 100% correct. I'm sure those mix engineers all use these crappy logic plug-ins as well. Pointless video.
But you didnt show BUS 6...WHY?
Good tricks!!!! I will try them...
Wow, amazing streaky how you improved your video quality. Infinitely better that old ones with such a excess of light brightness.
Audio as usual top content ✅
PD. Why you’ve changed your table from Kurutxa?
Thanks I haven’t this is the Atmos end of the room when I turn around the mastering section is there with the desk kii speakers and kit etc
4:24 - yeah, this is true if you don't put any care into the process. Cross-fading and fading in and out can be your friend here. Hearing vocal breaths a lot is becoming a little cliched I think.
It's one of those things where everyone is doing it now because it sounds more "authentic". But then because everyone is doing it, it no longer seems unique or interesting.
Dear God, the Desperation in the Title.
Haha you should have seen the other titles I had lined up !!!
This is amazing. How on earth did you get access to this - and also permission to dissect it in public like this?
I’ve been waiting for this kind of video coz I’m a fan of Billies vocal production and good thing you did this. Hopefully the 2nd part comes out before ww3. Lol kidding..
🤞🏻
This is a tad to click-bait-y for you Streaky.
And I held back
@@Streaky_com 😂
I was always curious about his vocal chain for her
The way her vocals sound I thought she records direct to cassette tape
Awesome video ! Could you please give advise on what monitors you would buy for mixing and mastering. I'm torn between the barefoot footprint 01 and hedd type 20
Both are great I would lean towards the Hedd but it’s a tweeter thing….the footprint are nice in the right space
@@Streaky_com hello!
What about between the neumann kh310 and the type20 ?
@@Streaky_com thank you so much for the reply and advice 🙏. I am also leaning toward the hedd mainly because I love ribbon theaters and am used to my adam a7x top end sound
Great stuff man. Your a phenomenal musically inclined producer and I think your style is nice and varied but yet balanced and that shows from your perspective and commentary on billies techs choices and I’d love to hear some of your work I will delve deep I think.
Great work
I heard Finneas say in an interview that the vocals were recorded on a Audio Technica AT2020 - Budget mic!!
no big deal dude... you can use a SM 58 and it will sound great
Have you found the screen coming from below / you looking down towards it, is better for posture, than a big screen straight in front of your eyes?
It’s better for the sound and that’s my priority 👍
Fantastic analysis. I teach mostly and just wondering if it is possible to purchase something like this as a 'preset' Download please?
hey! love your video! it's awesome! but, i notice that your screen is pretty low than your eye/head. from the video i can see your neck and back is not a 'healthy' angle for long time work. i'm not doctor, but i've been a neck problem due to long time not correct sitting and working way to the screen and suffer a pretty bad problem. so, just wanna share with you and health is the base of everything. cheers! \m/
My second favorite Audio Clickbait Claim, after "Like the Pros do":
EXPOSED! (cringe.)
never understood why twice the time EQ and compressor.i mean why not fix it in one ? just to have more plugins to display ? xmm..
apple released i for free not you
Nice!
The mix was done in PT
This is amazing ! Thank you Streaky for letting us see things like this.
Do you think this Logic session made it to the final release? Or do you think they did a mix with 3rd party plugins? To be honest I also opened the session and it sounded not so good to my ears... Production is nice though.
I think yes it went to a mix engineer but this is the production
@@Streaky_com thanks streaky
This is really gonna help me tackle vocals for a certain remix I’m doing
This is Great! No de-esser?
Part 2
That was amazing. More please! This is really helpful. Especially your visual explanations what is going on. This is gold! Thank you!
Billie Eilish Is Mystery because her singing is absolutely some of the worst I’ve ever heard
ok, makes a lot of sense, specially for this song. But what about the live shows? she does a very great job there.
My assumption is that when they went viral after ocean eyes she started singing lessons with major references and improved 400% . Now she can be considered a very good singer. And we all know it’s not only about the technical part of it, artists are a full package, and currently she fits well for the moment.
DEAR GOD THANK YOU FOR THIS
What about those noises and pops ? ... wouldn`t they clean them up first ?
She's super not talented
Streaky looking Buff 💪
What's interesting is the delay is affecting the reverb too. Using series of effects like this can often produce unique and interesting tonal qualities when applied carefully. Sometimes running a reverb into a delay/saturation etc. or vice versa makes it all happen...
Any idea what mic they used? From memory a Neumann TLM 103?
Hi Streaky - thanks for this video! I have looked at this demo in Logic before (although I am mostly in Studio One these days), and wondered at the use of multiple EQs and compressors. Great POV on this. One unrelated question -- I really like your video monitor, the angle, the vertical positioning. I'd love to have something like that. Can you give me info on this?
It’s just a normal curved screen with a desk bracket nothing fancy
Looks like the vocal chain I use watching Professor Streakys vids...mehhh...👀😂🔥🔥
a 7db cut is a drastic one... and that's why people say that there's no thumb rule to it... if it sounds good nothing really matters...
Where did you get those stems?
Great video, although your posture and the screen positioning is giving me back ache. Id reconsider rethinking about the positioning of your screen so your not leaning over. Could have massive consequences in the future
Sorry but there's no way that verse vocals comp track has Space designer and delay directly on it, instead of external, I just don't believe that
much love!!! amazing video G 💜💜💜🎧🎧🎧
This is probably not correct no? Just commercial for logic so they have recreated with just their plugins?
gain looks super low and waveform is tiny on the vocals. Does this not cause problems when mixing or is it okay?
Bille Eilish vocals sound like theres no processing going on at all. whenever i hear her songsi think "i could fix and polish those vocals to make them sound good"
logic replaced the plugins with stock plugins btw, so not completely his vocal chain but the same idea kind of
You Sit are a Sir. Excuse me Sir but that Sir is fire Sir. I thank you Sir the internet needs more Sirs like you my dear Sir!
Exposing? The Ocean Eyes multitrack came with Logic as a demo a long time ago. Nonetheless, thanks for walking us through it. 🙂
Isn’t this just the demo thrown in free with Logic?
@@devianthousend I was wondering 'how on Earth did anyone get a Billie Eilish session?? Apple must have paid big bucks for that. Guess Ableton 11 and Studio One are doing better than expected.
Defo they will have paid big for this…
Yeah it is we are lucky to get it for free to analyse
@@Streaky_com It's great to see your analysis.
streaky- where did you get that monitor desk mount??????
Could be made a little better with 30 to 70 ms pre delay.. what do you think streaky ?
Sounds good to me
@@Streaky_com it helps giving that most sort after depth in the track . Pre delay is quite often less over looked concept. Latency between the dry and wet reverb signal . I recently learned about it and it is drastically improving my mixes. Also a great respect to you for making this contents available for noobies like me. You are one of my role models in mixing . Would love to meet you in person if I am reaching anywhere with my music .
Also can you please make a video on gain staging , where to use . Which all channels or elements should be gain staged to get the digital sweet spot of 18dbfs or 0 vu . Or is it just a myth in this current digital era as nee softwares or vst are not any more modelled on old VU algorithms .
Even stripped of her plugins her voice is a marvel. We DO NOT have any hope to sound that good😂
Wow,this is a great video🤩
why not noise gate or remove room / mic noise completely instead of debating on letting it fade into the beat or cutting it harshly?
Excellent insightful video about a top notch production - many thanks Streaky.
Also, talking of 'fades', that's a rather nifty haircut you've got there (I'm jealous as I'm rapidly turning into a bald egg...).
Anyway, if possible, let's have more of these videos where you analyze other top producers' work in such clarity Streaky, cheers.
Haha thanks I’m hanging on too
7:22 I'm still new to mixing. I thought you were supposed to level match?
Streaky save your neck and place your screen at eye level. Your neck and back will thank you later.
Can you make 1 that is recorded with the Neumann TLM 103?
Does that low monitor not give you neck ache?
Exposing?!! This is almost the first thing you get in Logic??!