Tuning Box VS stage 1 remap
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2019
- Here is a real world dyno results from a tuning box compared to a proper custom stage 1 remap by us SA Tuning, watch the video and wait to see what the tuning box makes compared to a remap and stock figures!! With our new device #truetune you actually get our custom sofytware written to the ECU, the figures you see on our website are figures that have been achieved on the Dyno, not made up figures like all the tuning box sites. Check out #truetune at www.satuning.co.uk/truetune and see what your car could gain!
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I've had remaps and tuning boxes. The remaps I've had were from Dreamscience, EDS and RS tuning. The tuning box I had was DTUK. All of them have been great. It literally comes down to how much development is put into the tune/map for that car. I'm a fan of both.
dude the music is so loud i cant hear you
Good video. Music is a bit annoying though. Here's my tuppence worth - I've had 5 tuning boxes on 7 cars. All the tuning boxes were the same make as I liked it. I've had 2 cars with remaps. The results in this video are quite surprising to me and don't tally with my own personal experience though. 4 of the tuning boxes were fitted to Vauxhall/Saab/Fiat/Alfa 1.9 & 2.0 diesels. All essentially the same engine. I have, at the moment, a Saab with a remap. I decided to try a remap instead of a tuning box as I had a dpf issue & the remapped guy did a deal with map, dpf & egr plus carbon clean all at once. I've probably covered over 150k miles in cars with either a map or a box, and from my experience the differences between these two methods don't warrant the extra expense of a remap. Yes, the ecu remap is maybe slightly more linear in its power delivery, but not enough to make me want to pay 2.5 times the cost. The tuning boxes I use are 'digital' and have 4 pre determined 'maps' that you can then adjust. You can also get an on/off switch added for extra cost, which I always do. I can attest to these tuning boxes working and definitely giving extra power and torque. Easily done by just doing 2 runs - box on & box off. I have never had any warni g lights on any car with a tuning box. Ironically, I had an engine management light come on with my 2nd remapped car. The guy said it was a piece of duff code. He fixed it and it's not been a problem in over 26k miles now. The tuning box in this video was either gubbed, turned down or turned off. If you ask me, it's a promo for getting work. He blatantly showed the make of the tuning box thereby putting people right off it. Like others have said, you can get many a duff map just like a duff box.
Well said dougie boy ;)
I just bought a gts race chip and app for £315 after kickbacks so I will basically pay out £29 A month for 12 months plus get £35 cashback within a week or two ... I know it's only tweaking the pressure rail but if it does the job idgaf as long as it saves me petrol over the duration plus I also got 1 new free install if I change car ...
a tuning company telling us a Powerbox is not what we need. WOW. you ain't gonna see a drug dealer telling you not to buy drugs and buy something else.. is the same as the Powerbox companies tells us to stop remaping our cars and use powerboxes :)
correct 100%
Well they test and compare on a live dyno unlike the powerbox companies👀 so i wonder who we should believe?🤔🤣
Powerboxes are totally rubbish guys... You can't tune a vehicle with an "out of the shelf" product.. Factors like: ambient temperature, distance from sea level,gas quality, condition of the engine etc will affect the performance of an engine. Talking from own experience,i spent some amount of money to buy a "tuned chip" for my OBD1 engine and gain was 0. Then i did an ecu remap alone using an EPROM programmer and ProTuner and later installed a piggy back ECU too,best spend money ever.... If u have a professional garage near your area,go there,forget about those scams...
I did alittle check myself. Dyno ran my stock 08 focus st, it got 218bhp. Installed the top price £300+ tdi tuning box, did the run in process as instructed by tdi tuning. Did a Dyno run again and got 253 bhp, against the claimed 280 bhp ! Did a remap using a commonly used kess software for £200 and got 276bhp on the dyno
Mathew Wade hi there, yes we see this all the time, Alientech kess you mention is the hardware to enable you to read and write to the ecu the software put on it must have come from somewhere else as the Kess does not modify the software it just reads and writes it. Kind regards SA Tuning
Wait... so a person working for the tuning company, reccomends their own product, over someone else's? Who would have thought 🤣😂
I put a blue spark box on my mazda 6 2.2 180hp diesel and made a massive difference. It knocked a second off my 0-60 times and a very big noticed difference in throttle response.
@ATL Who me?
I've been looking at getting a bluespark, would you recommend them? I've looked at the people who come to your house and mao your car but I'm sure that would just be the equivalent of a permanent tuning box.
@@jasondonavich2758 remaps are simply better, they offer more power and better power delivery. The tuning box is slightly more practical as you can install yourself quickly and remove anytime and sell. Therefore the box can be worth it beacuse you recoup much of the already small cost to buy if you decide to sell it.
Well my 500 Abarth did 133bhp 155ftlbs stock then a TMC tuning box and got 166bhp and 180ftlbs.
Soooo much better with being able to plug and play, could then take it off years later to sell when the car was sold. Win win for the tuning box
Di you have the dyno printout for that? Also you can remove a remap in most cases in under 5 mins too years later and then sell the car so it’s a win win for a remap too!!
@@MaxtuneOfficial I did keep it and it's probably somewhere. It's the TMC box which are very popular.
With a tuning box you can remove it yourself where as a remap you may need to drive for miles to get back to the company which is less convenient
Drone UK this is why we have #truetune you can remove the remap yourself whenever or where ever you need too as many times as you like and re apply the remap! Genuinely a win win! Cheers 👍
@@MaxtuneOfficial how much is the true tune?
@@colinparks619 A lot!! For what is a dressed up more user friendly Kess.
Definitely tuning box faulty!!!!
0.5bhp no chance.
I prefer remap anyway but I had many cars with tuning box before and the acceleration was really different.
You can see one of my videos
Passat B6 2.0tdi 170bhp with tuning box installed which I bought from Poland for 40 pounds.
With tuning box
from 0-62miles in 7.2second.
That's not bad for 40 pounds.
Yeah, pretty easy to leave it turned off (as you can do with TDI box and still have it fully connected) then do your demonstration Dyno run, to be believable it needs to be reviewed by independent comparison tests on performance and outcome based on the cost of each method. I have just bought a TDI tuning box that I can turn on or off while fully connected, can remove with no trace, can set a timer on for warming up my motor before initiating the tuning box. I have seven setting options I can change at any time with Bluetooth connection on my phone, can turn off and on with my phone and I can also guarantee a remarkable, very noticeable difference in both power and torque, even on the lowest of the seven settings. I may or may not have the same results I’de get for a re-map, but that’s understandable, the tuning box has to be conservatively tuned, so the customer dose not have problems when they install it at home. So for this and considering, they don’t have the Luxury of maximising the final results of the tune, without in-house diagnostics, they loose the advantage to test and tweak the outcome. Why did I go tuning box. I can’t turn of a re-map and the research I’ve done, seems every company re-maps based on the individual opinion and all say the way they do it is the best way, and to be fair, same goes for tuning chip and box companies.
Martin my cls 224 bhp v6 320 cdi doing 7sec till 100.
And bmw 530d e60 the same 7 sec..and u can do 2.0 be like 3.0 d for 40£ really)))?
I lost some weight and cleaned up my trunk. Knocked a second or so off my 0-100 kph time /s
Had a fuel pressure sensor issue after having one of the bluespark boxes on mine. Safe to say it's long gone
I have the same box it's from tdi tuning, The instructions are to run the car for 10 miles in each mode, there are 7 modes. This allows the car ecu to adapt to the box software. The instruction sheet that comes with the box is very clear on this.
Nick Smith the box was fitted to the car 10 months before it came to us so it had about 10 months to adapt in the highest setting before it was run on the dyno in the highest settings, we then removed the box the only time it had been off the car since purchase and ran it stock and then our stage 1, so we would assume that 10 months for the ecu to adapt would have been plenty! Cheers
Got a tdi tuning box on my seat Leon and what a difference 👍 have to make do when you lease for 3 years
A.J.T hi there, that’s why we made #truetune so you can have a proper remap and you can return your car to stock when ever you want like when you give it back to the lease company or need to go to the dealer, there is no more any need to be forced to have a tuning box with #truetune. Kind regards SA Tuning
Does it have a flash count? Will it avoid dealer warranty? A lot of people get these because of warranty, no one wants their 40-60k new car blowing up because they drive like a cunt and abuse the car (not because re map brings any more danger to the engine) would love a remap from you or Revo but due to warranty I am looking to get a tuning box instead.
Agreed mate, tuning boxes are definitely the way to go if you have a new car or lease with warranty remaining! Have tried TDI tuning boxes and they definitely make a difference
I got it back. With powerbox + 38hp. , and with chip tuning 0.5hp. astra j 1.7 125hp.
Thanks Gents, you put me off tuning boxes for sure!
I second that,but i won't pay £400 plus with no dyno included before after.
Am I right in thinking after a tuning box has been fitted then taken off some of it stays on the ecu? As my tuning box developed a fault so I took it off but it still feels faster than it did standard.
Robcatist hi there, unfortunately no the ECU will have no knowledge of the tuning box being in place unfortunately it seems like the placebo affect has taken hold with the tuning box fitted but really it’s not been making it any quicker when fitted, cheers!!
OMG?? a dyno tune is better than a tuning box?? you are a genius mate!! lol... we know this, something is wrong or not connected right on that box.. a tune box is just a generic tune so they make power but just not as fitted to your own car as a custom tune... like buying kmart pants and expecting tailored..
I would have to stick with a tuning box. As I am on lease. Ford ecosport 140bhp stock. Had a tuning box put on and dyno, it made 164bhp and +40% tourqre increase. So not all of them are useless.
What box?
What box ?
The guy could of had the box turned down to eco mode for fuel economy he should have checked the box to see if it was turned up to max first
You've proved a point that A certain tuning box doesn't work well for that specific car. Yes Stage 1 will always be better than a chip tune, but not all tuning chips are useless. For example, I've got a TDI-Tuning box in my Mercedes A200 (Also 163bhp stock), and it claims 201bhp when its in. I've never done a dyno run or tested it, but I can 100% feel a massive difference with it in. The difference in acceleration from 2nd to 4th gear is massive. It did also go from 7.9 second 0-60 to 6.9 so it took a full second off it. Chip tuning is the better option for new cars as it keeps the warranty in the vehicle, as I have removed my box on 2 occasions when taking it to the Merc garage, and they didn't notice a thing :)
You literally just made our point about the video “yes a stage 1 will always be better than a chip tune” feeling a difference is not an indication you have achieved the figures quoted that that car is actually fulfilling its potential. The truetune can revert a car back to stock “original” easily and freely whenever and wherever the user wishes including going into a dealership for warranty work for example.
he just said it took a second off his 0-60
Hi where you based, I want my insignia 170 HP tuning
Hi Chris if you could message us with your registration and postcode via our social media or website we can provide the details of your nearest authorised SA Tuning dealer. Many thanks!
Do you guys have a number I can call. I need something for my 2019 impala. Please.
Put me right off a tuning box. Will wait and get a remap done properly.
Sheep.
Do you know what I think your results are correct SA Tuning. I have had exactly the same £400 tuning box fitted to my 2.0L BMW petrol hybrid which "claimed" to be 305bhp on setting 7. I had the car professionally remapped today and the difference is like night n day in terms of it now struggles for grip [ok its damp today] in second and 3rd gear. Your tests I reckon are accurate in terms of forget the tuning box and just get your vehicle mapped - the results are way better. Keep up the vids. Great
Wonder how my astra 1.9cdti running a dtuk tuning box pulls on my mates astra 1.9cdti with a stage 1 map, when I'm apparently only getting 0.5bhp over standard🤔🥱. Kind of baffled here 🙄
Don’t worry out being baffled it’s either your friends car has an issue I.e. boost leak or similar or he can’t drive, the remap he has is rubbish or not remapped, not all remaps are equal but we guarantee a dtuk box will not beat our stage 1.👍
I’ve had tdi tuning and chip express tuning box on my 2014 e350cdi, tested 0-100mph, had zero gains, no improvements at all
Then went to amd tuning and had remap, with printout that stated i now had 300hp, improvement from 252hp(stock)
Then went to do same test on the same road, and had no improvement in acceleration 0-100mph
Explain that one!?
R_ P_ easy to explain you did not come to us for a start where would have diagnosed an issue with the car if there is one, 350’s are notorious for boost leaks and turbo actuators being faulty, also the tune may not have Ben great like the Tuning box, hard to say without seeing the car but there is something not ok there I.E the tune the box or you have a mechanical issue!! Explanation done! Cheers
SA Tuning where are you based, and how much you charge for remap
Tdi tuning box’s are not cheap either worth it though you could definitely feel the 0.5hp on the butt dyno 😂
dropped himself in it when he said he had the tuning box on setting 7 max power but pointed at number 1 which would not really change anything apart from better fuel economy
becka becks if you look a bit closer the box is upside down so the max setting 7 is on the left and 1 would be on the right hand side, so not dropped myself in it at all! Cheers
Truth is there are very good and very bad tuning box’s out there. There are also very good and very bad remappers out there. I have personally seen good and bad results with box’s and remaps. It works both ways. Some of the box’s are actually fake as there’s nowt inside. Just always be sure to go with known good’s. One thing I like about the good box’s is you can switch them on or off at any time.
fitted a tuning box to my pickup truck , 1 of them that mess with rail pressure expensive agritune , made specific for my truck apparently . .. engine blew up after 2 week of it being fitted , will never fit 1 again . remap for me ,
@ATL not at all . my pocket will argue that
been there done that and got the Tshirt
I had a blue spark tuning box on my insignia same engine, and kept going in to limp mode wlvery very very and utterly dangerous as you can barely drive the damn thingb
Great, but kiss goodbye to your dmf flywheel and clutch without upgrades after the tune up.
Meh, total crap. Stock clutch and flywheel on a car will handle that extra power no problems.
@@jimftr dmf flywheels don't handle it, do your research, do you even know what one is!!!!!
@@yammydodger1988 Yes I do know what a dual mass flywheel is, and I'm not sure why you seem to think a basic remap is going to kill one, or any other components for that matter. These parts are designed to handle a fair bit more than the stock power, I'm pretty sure you already know that.
@@jimftr standard flywheels can handle the uprated torque but dmf flywheels have always been an issue when it comes to even a basic remap, especially on diesel Vauxhalls, they were designed purely to reduce vibration through the gearbox, terrible design and a big risk when increasing torque.
love this video, can't believe people are getting sucked into buying them
like the video... I noticed that your TeamViewer "non commercial use only" licence might be used for commercial use?! !!!!! Naughty naughty!
That's some kind of nonsense 😂
Ur results r pretty much the same as mine but I did get 6hp more from mine and the same in fb on my kia 1.4crdi it was good value at £400 🤣 tuning box is a total waste of money I did get my money back and tried another brand I'd say the main one and it was no better so that went back to people like wasting money on tuning parts that do nothing I myself have spent ££££££££ and my advice to anyone who wants to tune there car if the place ur using don't have the rolling road for remapping go somewhere else 👍 map a car a leave it there everything else is £££££ for not much return in power 🤷♂️
Surely the ecu needs time to relearn, between box and remap, otherwise it wont know if its coming or going lol
Hi there the ecu does not need to relearn anything as the signals are falsified from the Tuning box the ecu has nothing to relearn as it thinks everything has been under normal parameters and the an ecu will relearn any trims after 2 dyno runs anyway so this has no effect on the outcome whatsoever at all, kind regards SA Tuning
My car only 112bhp
I had both many remaps and also a couple of tuning boxes.
They both work!
Either the tuning box isn't working as should do or
This guy is talking shite
19 people have a tuning box fitted lol
That engine sounds fucked as it is 😆
Damn man shut that damn music ! It’s annoying !!
I smell bullshit.
i smell a very rude and ignorant person.
Thanks. Very professional attitude.
Absolutely not a problem!
That's some shit tuning box. I've got one that added 9% HP and 16% torque. And yes, I dynod it. Nowhere near a remap of course but this video is misleading.
How can it be misleading if we’re are just showing this tuning box and what it achieved (or didn’t in this case), some might make
More but this one didn’t not misleading its a fact! 🤷♂️
@@MaxtuneOfficial You at one point said something that strongly implied tuning boxes aren't worthwhile.
This guys bitter....he’s done a few videos now. Clearly losing money.
Not in the slightest this comment is quite funny as a no asked for your opinion or assumptions and B it’s the best year we have had so far even with COVID 19 so you could not have been more wrong even if you tried! 👍👍
SA Tuning ok mate. All the best.
Tuning Boxes are scam!