@@artvandelay94 they went for it because they really thought buying with an already uphill battle would get them in and give Ohtani a shot at a WS. He should have been traded. The angels have an even worse future than their already mediocre future pre-trade. Also Giolito is the most bipolar pitcher in baseball. Not worth it IMO unless he was under contract next year
imagine having arguably the two best players to ever play the game on your team and in their prime at the same time only to waste the opportunity. we will never see two players of this calibar on the same team ever again. It's a crime against baseball.
You put 9 guys out on the field. I'd rather have a good team than a good 2 players. Works in Little League but I don't think so much in MLB. Love those 2 guys but give me 9 good guys and I'll see where I finish after 162 games.
As a lifelong Angels fan, I couldn't have said it better. I think the only thing you left out was that while we picked up Giolito to "make a run for playoffs" our division rivals picked up Verlandser and Scherzer. It goes to show you what a half assed "all in" it really was to try and save face. It's never been harder to be an Angels fan man. Arte needs to sell the team, the front office needs to be gutted. Our entire pitching staff needs to go... The whole team just needs a complete restructure from the ground up.
You’re right, the owner needs to sell, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. GM needs to be fired. The Angels sort of remind me of the Yankees now. Yankees depend on 2 guys: Judge and Cole. But in baseball it takes a team.
Japanese culture is all about respect. The fact that the Angels GM threw him under the bus like that pretty much pulverized any opportunity to sign, and almost guarantees that he will never want to play for the Angels again.
@@SpectoRectoit wasn't stupid, but he chose to be a lifelong Angel knowing his ownership wasn't going to change. Don't feel too bad, he chose to stay there.
Had to watch this vid. Twice. Not an angel fan (Giants fan) but my son-in-law’s family has had season tickets to Angels games for 3generations. So I had a front row seat to watching this disaster through their eyes. As a baseball fan, I have a lot of empathy for the Angels fans. You are right Italk it’s a kick in the balls and an insult to any baseball fan watching this disaster. It is truly unbelievable. I also have a great deal of empathy for the Oakland A’s fans across the bay from me… Point being some owners should be tarred and feathered and ran out of town. They insult an entire city with their actions.
You can add John Angelos in that conversation. Despite the Orioles having their best season in a decade and having a great young talented core of players on the field, Angelos has to remind everyone that he is their owner and no fun can be had. Between suspending MASN broadcaster Kevin Brown to not committing on signing players long term, everyone in Baltimore wishes he'd sell the team already.
There's a good argument that not only did the angels have a worse season than Oakland but they had the worst trade deadline in mlb history as they literally gained nothing while losing a ton (from prospects, to the guys they traded for, to the greatest two way player in baseball) 😂.
Let us be honest here, Trout is no longer the best player in baseball (but he should be), Ohtani is great, but it's a shame these amazing players haven't had that single opportunity that every great player deserves and that is the post season. Trout is the Dan Marino of baseball, both of these guys need to request a trade or just find some way to get away from this organization. Can you imagine the ceiling that both of these guys would have with the Astros, Dodgers, Braves or any other team. Both guys deserve better, fans deserve to see these guys play in October.
Been an Angels fan for 21 years (since i was 2) and this team just breaks my heart over and over. And its 100% on Arte, he only wants to pay position players because they play every day instead of pitchers of pitch every 5th day. They have ruined this team for atleast another decade. Not to mention the angels had that whole Tyles Skaggs thing, that people seem to forget about sadly. The team is a joke, all any of us do is make fun of the team. And Shohei is a coward if he stays on the Angels because they have failed him. With that being said, my angels contract is up and i am now a free agent looking for a new team to break my heart
As a life long Dodgers fan it brings me nothing but giddiness and joy to see the Angels in this state As a life long baseball fan it brings me sadness and dread to see the wasted talents of these two once in a generation players (Otani and Trout) As a human being I can't look away and wonder how else could they possibly cock this up and even further
Is there even that big of a rivalry between the angels fans and dodger fans? I would figure it would more be like a Giants A's relationship where they're more or less chill and even supportive of one another sometimes.
The Angels organization as a whole is run terribly. They make bad business decisions and everytime they try to fix things things somehow get worse for them. The worst thing in life is knowing that the organization doesn’t care and yet Trout is so loyal even tho he knows he’ll never be a champion or be a contender. I feel sorry for the fans
Their farm system has been depleted by bad decisions for decades. Since Trout they have developed NOTHING of value. Their idea of a prospect is Jo Adell..?
This video felt almost personal. From a channel that - at least from my perspective - tries to keep a somewhat professional tone to every video, I've never heard iTalk sound so cold and angry before. It sounded like he was genuinely disgusted with how incompetent LAA's front office is. Really puts into perspective how badly they messed this up. Well deserved though, pretty much everyone I knew said before the deadline the Angels would be stupid not to trade Shohei for some prospects. This wasn't even hindsight - this was way before the deadline. Oh also, loved the dig at their name at the start.
I don’t feel bad for Trout. Ohtani yes since he’s has to stay due to the negotiation with the posting system, he can’t leave until after this season. Trout, I don’t feel bad for him for the sole reason he chose to stay. Wants to be remembered as an Angel for lifer and I can respect that but don’t feel bad. He chose to be in a toxic relationship with Arte and the Angels so that’s on him.
I would be too.....I'm just hoping ANY other team but the Dodgers! We would get highlights of hitting HR after HR on the 11pm news every night for them.
The world needs Mike Trout to win another MVP Hopefully 2019 wasn't his last one 🥺 A couple years ago I was happy Mike Trout signed that contract to be a Angel for Life because I called that Loyalty at it's finest but if the Angels keep letting him down it's best for Mike Trout to stand up and tell the Angels front office he wants to leave. I know Loyalty is a great thing to have but a team like the Angels seem to not value it.
I was sad that Trout resigned with the Angels; and I grew up going to Angels games. (I was sadder still when Arte Moreno didn't sell the team.) I knew the current organization was a disaster and wouldn't really improve; though no one could have predicted their latest series of antics.
No point in being loyal to a team run by disconnected billionaires. No player should feel obligated to be "loyal" Trout shoulda left when he had the chance.
Trout is way past his prime. Can't stay on the field. And when he is on the field, he's pretty much average now. Doesn't steal anymore. He certainly isn't clutch. The last at bat in the WBC kinda sums up Trout. Always swings for the fences. And, more importantly, he's not a leader. His and Rendon's contract will hamstring this franchise for years to come.
@@Bugkiller08 Yes, Trout reminds me of Dale Murphy of the Atlanta Braves back in the 1980's. Murphy won 5 Golden Gloves, 4 Silver Slugger awards and was a seven time All-Star and put up tremendous numbers from around 1982 through 1987. Then the injury bug started hitting him and he went from future Hall of Famer, to just better than average and finally, just a shell of his former self. I'd like to think Trout could heal and get some measure of consistent playing time, probably mostly as a DH, but I have a feeling that's wishful thinking.
The worst part about this, it is way too late for them now to get prospects for either Trout/Ohtani They are going to be bad now for a LONG time because they also don't have a farm system They messed up BADLY, normally the kind where jobs are at stake, but because they have a terrible owner, this maybe the kind that could absolutely KILL this franchise going forward, we're talking them moving probably in the next 5-10 years, attendance should drop because of this, how could anyone support this team going forward is going to be the million dollar question.
I knew as soon as Moreno didn't sell the team that doom was on the horizon, and then when they didn't trade Ohtani that they were royally screwed. They bet it all on the craps table and came up snake eyes. They're really going to suck even more for even longer now
@@chrisuncleahmadlol but they literally made it worse, they traded most of the farm system and now won’t get anything for Ohtani. If they had traded him at least you had prospects to look for in the future but now you have nothing but a horrible team that happens to have Mike Trout in it
0:23 Albert Pujols would later say that the real reason why his numbers fell off so drastically with the Angels was because he absolutely despised playing for them. Had he stayed in St. Louis like what he said he wished he had, I legit think Pujols would've become the first person in the MLB to ever crack 800 home runs in a career.
@@goorioles1976 He said that the brief time where he was playing for the Dodgers was where his love for the game came back, plus he got Comeback Player of the Year when he finally returned to St. Louis. That can't be a coincidence.
@@smellyfly9469 And yet he became the third clean player to break 700 despite having all motivation sucked out of him for a decade and said lower half issues, and then the year he came back to the Cards those problems were all gone. He'd have broken 800 and people would finally have stopped treating steroid-enhanced numbers like Barry Bonds' home run tally as though they're legit.
As an angels fan this Lowkey brought a tear to my eye, flat out truth this franchise is lost there’s no guidance and no proper management. Moreno didn’t want to sell the team because Ohtani was bringing the fans and therefore the money was coming in so why sell. This franchise is set back at least 10 years, it’s embarrassing that Seattle and Baltimore got it together fast and they’re set for the next 10 years. So far the only players I see promising are Neto, O’hoppe, Schaneul, and Phillips because they’re young and learning but even I fear management will get rid of them before their potential comes in. Rendon robbed the team $245 million idk what they were thinking, because not getting Cole you think Rendon is the answer? Maybe this team needs to watch the documentaries of the 2002 team and learn some things from them on how it went right, majority of the 2002 team was from the farm system. The AL west got way more competitive that it used to be and it’s a shame Anaheim won’t be a part of that, $5 says Oakland build better than Anaheim
Angels bouta go through the curse of the great bambino 10x over because atleast the Red Sox's won with Ruth but the Angels have only lost 😂. "Curse of the great Unicorn".
I'm a Mariners fan and I do feel a little bad about how we wasted Felix who had little run support >.< We kept him much longer than we should have cause whenever he pitched a home game, they made lots of cash
I remember arguing with Angels fans a couple months ago; they said that this year was "different" and that they were world series contenders. I said that the Angels do this EVERY YEAR: fool fans into thinking they're serious then crapping the bed in the second half, getting 60-70 wins. Pathetic.
I mean they made the right moves. Getting Renfroe and urshela we’re good moves and rendon was coming off a mvp caliber year, anderson was coming off a good year too, not there fault imo
They’re just too injured lmao you can’t have 16 starters injured and win anything they have a pretty decent record for having 40% of their 40 man roster out
Baseball is the only sport i can think of where a team can have two of the best players in the history of the sport in their prime and not even be competitive😭
Its actually insane to me that when they got Trout as a compensation pick that they didnt immediately build a team around him. If they had they would be be beasts and possibly be in playoff contention every year. But they didnt. They had another opportunity when they signed Ohtani. Two absolute superstars on the same team but they yet again failed to build a team around them. If they had, they'd probably have at least a couple WS rings. The fact that theyve wasted two golden opportunities for a dynasty baffles me. Like you said its hard to build a winning baseball team but its a lot easier when you have two of the best players to ever play. I guess its an easy win most of the time as an Astros fan. Still sad to see.
Don’t understand how the angels saying that Ohtani’s camp declined the mri is a bad thing. They did the right thing and offered it to him. They literally can’t force him to do it. And it’s even worse to say nothing and let potential free agents think they were negligent and didn’t offer Ohtani a MRI.
This has GOT to be the most pathetic handling of a trade deadline we've ever witnessed in all of pro sports! Not only do they lose Ohtani for nothing but then to also trade your top prospects away for guys that you end up cutting a few weeks later for nothing in return is reaching legendary levels of failure! Just think about the swing of the number of top prospects they COULD/SHOULD have right now compared to gaining none and even losing many of your own... Crazy ineptitude
Everyone talking about how the Angels are wasting the potential of the two superstar players but the superstar players took their money 🤧🤧🤧 everyone makes their decisions and lives with the consequences
So despite being 2 of the top 5 baseball players on the planet, they should decline to be paid for their talent bc some clown on the internet doesn’t understand economics? Okay 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
@@richardtherichard26 people are like bitching and moaning that Otani and Trout's careers are being wasted when your dumbass doesn't understand that either of them could've gotten their paychecks anywhere else. Be smarter bud
Selling prospects with a weak farm system with a team that could maybe make a wild card spot with a few upgrades was an absurdly dumb decision in the first place. If they had a super good farm system, the all-in push would make sense even if it blows up because you still have a farm system for a quick reload in a couple years. By not trading Ohtani and instead buying at the deadline, the Angels are pretty much doomed to be a bottom-feeder for the rest of the decade.
I think they feel they've already brought up their best prospects and have their catcher, SS and 1st baseman for the next six years in O'Hoppe, Neto and Schanuel. They have Trout and an all-star caliber third baseman if Rendon ever comes back to form. They still have lots of pitching prospects, but don't seem to be doing a good job of developing consistency with them, and maybe have brought them all up too fast. The pressure to win now will be off next year, so they might not be in as bad shape as people seem to think.
Rendon's contract is why they're shit. They can't sign anybody cause they have damn near $40 million tied up on a guy who had 1 good postseason. As a Rangers fan, I marvel in their failure but as a baseball fan, it hurts to know that Rendon is being paid over $1 million a season MORE than Trout. Let that fucking sink in
The only person that thinks Arte Moreno is a good owner is Arte Moreno. A few years ago, many pointed at Mike Scioscia as the root of the problem with this team, but since he left, things have not improved and in many ways have gotten worse. As for Trout, one of the jokes is that he chose to stay because he would have Octobers free to pursue other interests. During the last NFL playoffs, he was spotted at the Eagles vs. 49ers game that determined which team would go to the Super Bowl. As soon as I saw that, I knew social media would have a field day because the jokes practically wrote themselves.
You really have to put it on team brasses considering you have those two guys on the field at least in the last couple 3 or so seasons where shohei was coming in to his own. It's a lot easier building a team when you have those two filling up with middle of the lineup. But again, I'd really look back and either the management drafted horribly or traded away prospects for fixers. Also after giving albert that deal and josh that deal, they just didnt learn any better. Considering all the deals people gave out to players 30+, the majority of those deals do end up costing the franchise too much in money and lost opportunities. The teams that consistently win must develop from within. I guess it's just too bad that the Angels will just keep struggling for years to come until Rendon is off the books. Trading Trout is definitely the best move here as it'll give them some tanking time and replenish the farm system, cause there's no way anyone's taking rendon off their books.
When they said that they didn't MRI Ohtani's arm the month prior, that's when I knew this team was a bigger joke than we thought. Medical professionals on the team didn't think "hey, you're not a medical expert, let's get this looked at. You might feel fine now but this might be worse under the surface". I hurt my back at work and didn't think I needed an MRI, my job forced me to get one and it turns out I herniated my back so bad I fractured a disc. But I felt fine, my MRI said I was fucked up.
What they said was that Ohtani wasn't flagging any elbow problems, just some cramping in his fingers. There elbow came out of the blue and there had been no obvious need for an MRI.
For me, the most devastatingly disappointing FA signing was (still is) Anthony Rendon. He has done NOTHING, except to cash his fat paychecks. He still has several years left on his contract. He will need to have monster seasons in 2024, 2025, and 2026 to justify his monster contract. Ohtani is as good as gone. Hopefully, Trout will be healthy next year, and the Angels will build the team like the Braves did back in the 1990's. Assembling a good pitching staff is the key.
Oh no, not just “some” top prospects. All of them. Ky Bush, Edgar Quero, Jeremiah Jackson, Coleman Crow, Mason Albright, Landon Marceaux… you will hear some of these names in the MLB in a couple years, and they won’t be Angels. Probably for the best though, knowing our reputation for developing players. In retrospect, this turned an already bad decision into one of the worst decisions in MLB general management history (though it’s likely more Arte’s fault than Perry’s)
If I were Shohei Otani, I'd file for free agency as soon as the World Series has concluded and never look back. There are absolutely no signs of progress with the Angels organization.
Angels Top 10 Prospects as of 9/4/23 1. Nolan Schanuel 2. Caden Dana 3. Nelson Rada 4. Albert Rios 5. Kyren Paris 6. Denzer Guzman 7. Ben Joyce 8. Barrett Kent 9. Jack Kochanowicz 10. Adrian Palaencia
Yet another RUclipsr, who doesn’t look into the root of the problem. I admit Otani has not been the issue, but Trout has definitely been part of the problem the past few seasons
Angels owner needs to sell, he ruin the team for literally 2 decades now. He literally got to go and get the fuck out of Anaheim and stay back in Arizona.
Been an Angels fan my whole life and I can confidently say this is worst organization in all sports, not baseball, EVERY SINGLE SPORT! Terrible franchise.
This seasons was not that bad, they were decent at start winning and then they got hurt and hurt and it was not stopping. The injuries is the major reason the team is not on the post season spot.
Also, let's not forget, it didn't help having a manager who was not qualified for the job. His mismanagement has cost the team numerous wins. He should have been fired weeks ago.
As an angels fan seeing this vid is like getting punched in the face after already getting our balls kicked, backs stabbed, hearts broken, and dreams destroyed
They seriously need a new voice in the ownership and Arte Moreno has been the biggest problem for the club for 20+ years! He’s done absolutely nothing but wasting 2 generational talents and continue to hold the team back. He’s got to sell the team at this point
Pujos was a .328 hitter his first 11 years for the Cardinals, then is a .250 hitter his last ten years with the Angels. It was weird to watch. If I were Trout I would entertain the thought of joining Harper in Philly, close to where he grew up in NJ. I know that Harper tried to pitch the offer to MLB to get the trade, but it didn't happen. Ohtani probably would be best in Seattle. This way they are on winning teams that will see the post season.
Why would Bryce Harper contact the mlb to try and get a trade going? 1hes not a gm 2 you wouldn’t call the mlb for that… that’s completely made up lmfaooooo
If I was an MLB free agent and the Angels offered me huge contract I would run like hell and request an exorcism. I have never seen. A team have such scary luck with free agents.
Man, That is a historic level of incompetence running rampant in the Angels front office. They have one of the worst owners in sports to boot. It's really pathetic how they've wasted having two of the greatest players ever on their roster.
As a buccos fan it honestly makes me feel better about my team even tho it’s a joke we haven’t fired the hitting coach n manager. At least we getting better tho!
“The Los Anaheim Angeles California Angels of America” 💀💀
I heard that and thought I had a stroke for a second lol
That's a t-shirt idea right there lol😂
“… of the outfield”
Almost dropped my blunt 😂 Good one 👌🏾
They're not in LA. Your name makes more sense.
I still can’t believe they gave up their #2 and #3 prospects for Lucas Giolito just to get rid of him a month later. There is no justifying that
They went for it and it didn’t pay off. Better to get rid of him that pay him more money
To give up your #2 and 3 prospects for a rental in Giolito is crazy though.
@@mike_svoeuy116bush is at max a number 3 starter Quero is the only player of any value
@@artvandelay94 they went for it because they really thought buying with an already uphill battle would get them in and give Ohtani a shot at a WS. He should have been traded. The angels have an even worse future than their already mediocre future pre-trade. Also Giolito is the most bipolar pitcher in baseball. Not worth it IMO unless he was under contract next year
Their ass anyways, but for nothing is still a lose for the angels. You have to know the angels have one of the worst farm system.
imagine having arguably the two best players to ever play the game on your team and in their prime at the same time only to waste the opportunity. we will never see two players of this calibar on the same team ever again. It's a crime against baseball.
Idk about ever but yeah
Bruh y’all act like they both have been fully healthy for five strait seasons lmao
You put 9 guys out on the field. I'd rather have a good team than a good 2 players. Works in Little League but I don't think so much in MLB. Love those 2 guys but give me 9 good guys and I'll see where I finish after 162 games.
They are good but to say that they are both the "best" to ever play the game is just stupid.
I would take mookie and freddie as a 1,2 punch any day. They stay healthy and rake!!
As a lifelong Angels fan, I couldn't have said it better. I think the only thing you left out was that while we picked up Giolito to "make a run for playoffs" our division rivals picked up Verlandser and Scherzer. It goes to show you what a half assed "all in" it really was to try and save face. It's never been harder to be an Angels fan man. Arte needs to sell the team, the front office needs to be gutted. Our entire pitching staff needs to go... The whole team just needs a complete restructure from the ground up.
That GM should be fired yesterday.
@@mdillinger2010sell the team.
He'll seattle traded its closer and won a team record 21 games in August
And to make it worse, the mariners decided they were going to be good and are now leading the division
You’re right, the owner needs to sell, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. GM needs to be fired. The Angels sort of remind me of the Yankees now. Yankees depend on 2 guys: Judge and Cole. But in baseball it takes a team.
Japanese culture is all about respect. The fact that the Angels GM threw him under the bus like that pretty much pulverized any opportunity to sign, and almost guarantees that he will never want to play for the Angels again.
I feel so bad for angels fans, Mike trout, and Shohei Ohtani 😭
They really a new owner one that run the Angels to new heights yet it’s been dreadful
I don’t feel bad for trout, that contact was a stupid decision
@@SpectoRectono it wasn't
@@SpectoRectoit wasn't stupid, but he chose to be a lifelong Angel knowing his ownership wasn't going to change. Don't feel too bad, he chose to stay there.
At this stage we just don't give a F anymore. I mean Arte clearly don't give a F, why should we?
Notice how Trout and Ohtani made the finals of the WBC. They found immediate success the moment they got away from the Angels.
Lol
As an Angels fan, this year compounded my hurt even more.
Dude we’re worse than the A’s we regally are without trout
Remember when the angels drafted only pitchers but they have the worst pitching development? Wonder how that's going
Had to watch this vid. Twice. Not an angel fan (Giants fan) but my son-in-law’s family has had season tickets to Angels games for 3generations. So I had a front row seat to watching this disaster through their eyes. As a baseball fan, I have a lot of empathy for the Angels fans. You are right Italk it’s a kick in the balls and an insult to any baseball fan watching this disaster. It is truly unbelievable.
I also have a great deal of empathy for the Oakland A’s fans across the bay from me… Point being some owners should be tarred and feathered and ran out of town. They insult an entire city with their actions.
You can add John Angelos in that conversation. Despite the Orioles having their best season in a decade and having a great young talented core of players on the field, Angelos has to remind everyone that he is their owner and no fun can be had. Between suspending MASN broadcaster Kevin Brown to not committing on signing players long term, everyone in Baltimore wishes he'd sell the team already.
There's a good argument that not only did the angels have a worse season than Oakland but they had the worst trade deadline in mlb history as they literally gained nothing while losing a ton (from prospects, to the guys they traded for, to the greatest two way player in baseball) 😂.
Shut up
100% agree, Oakland will be good before the angels
@@joshuacaranci5967 Might be Vegas in a couple years :(
they just lost the series to A's lmao
@Ryouski 🥺true. I stand with As fans though, never have disliked the team even though we are rivals
Angels are a walking L
Not the best analogy considering walking is miles better than whatever the Angels are doing right now
Let us be honest here, Trout is no longer the best player in baseball (but he should be), Ohtani is great, but it's a shame these amazing players haven't had that single opportunity that every great player deserves and that is the post season. Trout is the Dan Marino of baseball, both of these guys need to request a trade or just find some way to get away from this organization. Can you imagine the ceiling that both of these guys would have with the Astros, Dodgers, Braves or any other team. Both guys deserve better, fans deserve to see these guys play in October.
Mookie Betts has been better than Trout for a while.
Imagine Ohtani playing in a band box like Wrigley. He'd hit 10 to 12 homers a month easy.
Well, at least Dan Marino actually made the Super Bowl.
@@Gemnist98 and hopefully so do Trout and Ohtani one day (WS not SB, lol), these guys deserve better from the organization.
@@Gemnist98 Yes, but it's a shame he'll be remembered by more people for "Ace Venture" movie than being a NFL player
Been an Angels fan for 21 years (since i was 2) and this team just breaks my heart over and over. And its 100% on Arte, he only wants to pay position players because they play every day instead of pitchers of pitch every 5th day. They have ruined this team for atleast another decade. Not to mention the angels had that whole Tyles Skaggs thing, that people seem to forget about sadly. The team is a joke, all any of us do is make fun of the team. And Shohei is a coward if he stays on the Angels because they have failed him. With that being said, my angels contract is up and i am now a free agent looking for a new team to break my heart
The Orioles welcome you with open arms
Well, the Mets are probably a year or two away from contending, if you want to have some hope for the near future.
Rockies fan here, you can come to our failure of a team. We have a bunch of promising young guys so who knows where the Rox will be in a couple years.
Lol@2. Like you even remember being at 4 let alone 2
@nickr3441 first game I went to I was 3 against the pirates. My parents got me started at an early age
They're not even in LA county. They should be called the orange county angels of Anaheim.
Shameless teams deserve shameful results
We were the ANAHEIM ANGELS for decades. Mr. Autry and D'land were good custodians of this team when compared to Moreno.
The Angels are that guy at work who will buy lotto tickets every payday but can't afford to fill up their own gas tank.
As a life long Dodgers fan it brings me nothing but giddiness and joy to see the Angels in this state
As a life long baseball fan it brings me sadness and dread to see the wasted talents of these two once in a generation players (Otani and Trout)
As a human being I can't look away and wonder how else could they possibly cock this up and even further
Shut up
no empathy on my part for trout after that extension but ohtani deserves better
@@leomendoza450 true true he knew what he was getting into. He just wants to get paid. You can't help but wonder what he'd be like in October though
Is there even that big of a rivalry between the angels fans and dodger fans? I would figure it would more be like a Giants A's relationship where they're more or less chill and even supportive of one another sometimes.
@@leomendoza450he's going to the dodgers now
The Angels organization as a whole is run terribly. They make bad business decisions and everytime they try to fix things things somehow get worse for them. The worst thing in life is knowing that the organization doesn’t care and yet Trout is so loyal even tho he knows he’ll never be a champion or be a contender. I feel sorry for the fans
Sounds just like the current Yankees
The only merit they have is to be in a wealthy region, so they are wealthy too. Bad business, bad results, not even a decent stadium
@@elbori4365the Yankees are having a bad season; the Angels are having a bad fifteen seasons.
Their farm system has been depleted by bad decisions for decades. Since Trout they have developed NOTHING of value. Their idea of a prospect is Jo Adell..?
@@kendallevans4079 from the front office to the farm system, one word seems to describe the Los Angeles Angels: shambles.
This video felt almost personal. From a channel that - at least from my perspective - tries to keep a somewhat professional tone to every video, I've never heard iTalk sound so cold and angry before. It sounded like he was genuinely disgusted with how incompetent LAA's front office is. Really puts into perspective how badly they messed this up.
Well deserved though, pretty much everyone I knew said before the deadline the Angels would be stupid not to trade Shohei for some prospects. This wasn't even hindsight - this was way before the deadline.
Oh also, loved the dig at their name at the start.
I don’t feel bad for Trout. Ohtani yes since he’s has to stay due to the negotiation with the posting system, he can’t leave until after this season. Trout, I don’t feel bad for him for the sole reason he chose to stay. Wants to be remembered as an Angel for lifer and I can respect that but don’t feel bad. He chose to be in a toxic relationship with Arte and the Angels so that’s on him.
If I'm an Angels fan I'm saying my goodbyes to Ohtani. I'll genuinely be shocked if he decides to stay in that dumpster fire.
I would be too.....I'm just hoping ANY other team but the Dodgers! We would get highlights of hitting HR after HR on the 11pm news every night for them.
As an angels fan I wish I wasn’t one
The world needs Mike Trout to win another MVP Hopefully 2019 wasn't his last one 🥺
A couple years ago I was happy Mike Trout signed that contract to be a Angel for Life because I called that Loyalty at it's finest but if the Angels keep letting him down it's best for Mike Trout to stand up and tell the Angels front office he wants to leave. I know Loyalty is a great thing to have but a team like the Angels seem to not value it.
i wish he could stay healthy, if he was playing full seasons then he’d 100% be in mvp conversations every year
I was sad that Trout resigned with the Angels; and I grew up going to Angels games. (I was sadder still when Arte Moreno didn't sell the team.) I knew the current organization was a disaster and wouldn't really improve; though no one could have predicted their latest series of antics.
No point in being loyal to a team run by disconnected billionaires. No player should feel obligated to be "loyal" Trout shoulda left when he had the chance.
Trout is way past his prime. Can't stay on the field. And when he is on the field, he's pretty much average now. Doesn't steal anymore. He certainly isn't clutch. The last at bat in the WBC kinda sums up Trout. Always swings for the fences. And, more importantly, he's not a leader. His and Rendon's contract will hamstring this franchise for years to come.
@@Bugkiller08 Yes, Trout reminds me of Dale Murphy of the Atlanta Braves back in the 1980's. Murphy won 5 Golden Gloves, 4 Silver Slugger awards and was a seven time All-Star and put up tremendous numbers from around 1982 through 1987. Then the injury bug started hitting him and he went from future Hall of Famer, to just better than average and finally, just a shell of his former self.
I'd like to think Trout could heal and get some measure of consistent playing time, probably mostly as a DH, but I have a feeling that's wishful thinking.
The worst part about this, it is way too late for them now to get prospects for either Trout/Ohtani
They are going to be bad now for a LONG time because they also don't have a farm system
They messed up BADLY, normally the kind where jobs are at stake, but because they have a terrible owner, this maybe the kind that could absolutely KILL this franchise going forward, we're talking them moving probably in the next 5-10 years, attendance should drop because of this, how could anyone support this team going forward is going to be the million dollar question.
When the A's move to Vegas move the Angels to Oakland. The Los Angeles Angels of Alameda.
the Los Oakland Angeles Californian Angels of Anaheim
As an Angels fan every bit of this is true
I knew as soon as Moreno didn't sell the team that doom was on the horizon, and then when they didn't trade Ohtani that they were royally screwed. They bet it all on the craps table and came up snake eyes. They're really going to suck even more for even longer now
Trading Ohtani for random prospects would have basically surrendering the next 5 years
@@chrisuncleahmadlol but they literally made it worse, they traded most of the farm system and now won’t get anything for Ohtani. If they had traded him at least you had prospects to look for in the future but now you have nothing but a horrible team that happens to have Mike Trout in it
@chrisuncleahmad but it would've been something to build on, but now they'll be no Ohtani PLUS no prospects to build off of.
Doing what they’re doing now is sacrificing their next 10
@@robwebster1098 look at the Mets. Sure they have some prospects but have no semblance of a pitching staff after getting rid of Verlander AND Scherzer
0:23 Albert Pujols would later say that the real reason why his numbers fell off so drastically with the Angels was because he absolutely despised playing for them. Had he stayed in St. Louis like what he said he wished he had, I legit think Pujols would've become the first person in the MLB to ever crack 800 home runs in a career.
Link?
@@goorioles1976 He said that the brief time where he was playing for the Dodgers was where his love for the game came back, plus he got Comeback Player of the Year when he finally returned to St. Louis. That can't be a coincidence.
ok, that's a reach lol
Albert had lower half issues lmao he wasn’t going to hit 800 even if he played every game in Mexico City
@@smellyfly9469 And yet he became the third clean player to break 700 despite having all motivation sucked out of him for a decade and said lower half issues, and then the year he came back to the Cards those problems were all gone. He'd have broken 800 and people would finally have stopped treating steroid-enhanced numbers like Barry Bonds' home run tally as though they're legit.
It seems impossible to be this bad with these two amazing players,but here we are.
Not really. In the NBA maybe, but in baseball, you need depth. It's not like Ohtani can hit AND pi..oh wait. Damn.
As an angels fan this Lowkey brought a tear to my eye, flat out truth this franchise is lost there’s no guidance and no proper management. Moreno didn’t want to sell the team because Ohtani was bringing the fans and therefore the money was coming in so why sell. This franchise is set back at least 10 years, it’s embarrassing that Seattle and Baltimore got it together fast and they’re set for the next 10 years. So far the only players I see promising are Neto, O’hoppe, Schaneul, and Phillips because they’re young and learning but even I fear management will get rid of them before their potential comes in. Rendon robbed the team $245 million idk what they were thinking, because not getting Cole you think Rendon is the answer? Maybe this team needs to watch the documentaries of the 2002 team and learn some things from them on how it went right, majority of the 2002 team was from the farm system. The AL west got way more competitive that it used to be and it’s a shame Anaheim won’t be a part of that, $5 says Oakland build better than Anaheim
that intro tho...
the Los *Anaheim* Angeles *California* Angles *of America*
The Rendon debacle is as "Angels" as it gets!
Honestly bro, as an angels fan it’s sad that we’re wasting players like Mike and Otani… we really are the clippers of the mlb
Angels bouta go through the curse of the great bambino 10x over because atleast the Red Sox's won with Ruth but the Angels have only lost 😂.
"Curse of the great Unicorn".
Curse of the Rising San?
Also ironic that the Angels last victory was the year before the Red Sox broke the Bambino curse
I'm a Mariners fan and I do feel a little bad about how we wasted Felix who had little run support >.<
We kept him much longer than we should have cause whenever he pitched a home game, they made lots of cash
You know your team is bad when it's the punchline to a joke! 😂😂
Imagine being two of the best players in the last two decades, and never having been to a playoff game
I remember arguing with Angels fans a couple months ago; they said that this year was "different" and that they were world series contenders. I said that the Angels do this EVERY YEAR: fool fans into thinking they're serious then crapping the bed in the second half, getting 60-70 wins. Pathetic.
I mean they made the right moves. Getting Renfroe and urshela we’re good moves and rendon was coming off a mvp caliber year, anderson was coming off a good year too, not there fault imo
They’re just too injured lmao you can’t have 16 starters injured and win anything they have a pretty decent record for having 40% of their 40 man roster out
Baseball is the only sport i can think of where a team can have two of the best players in the history of the sport in their prime and not even be competitive😭
Why do you say that?
The Angels ENTIRE front office needs to be released ASAP !!
Its actually insane to me that when they got Trout as a compensation pick that they didnt immediately build a team around him. If they had they would be be beasts and possibly be in playoff contention every year. But they didnt. They had another opportunity when they signed Ohtani. Two absolute superstars on the same team but they yet again failed to build a team around them. If they had, they'd probably have at least a couple WS rings. The fact that theyve wasted two golden opportunities for a dynasty baffles me. Like you said its hard to build a winning baseball team but its a lot easier when you have two of the best players to ever play. I guess its an easy win most of the time as an Astros fan. Still sad to see.
I think there needs to be a deep dive on how Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez seem to be attached at the hip. They're always traded together.
I Think they just want to make things as confusing as possible for the Jomboy refguess crew
they’re gonna sign together in free agency this winter lmfao
the opening line lmfao
In other news, the sky is blue
L.A.'s little brother curse. Angels, Clippers, Chargers. 1 Championship between the 3, nada in over 20 years.
That’s not the angels general manager… that’s Brendan Frazier playing a general manager
Elaborate
Don’t understand how the angels saying that Ohtani’s camp declined the mri is a bad thing. They did the right thing and offered it to him. They literally can’t force him to do it. And it’s even worse to say nothing and let potential free agents think they were negligent and didn’t offer Ohtani a MRI.
Instead of offering they should have forced him to have the MRI as part of team orders.
@@exia0616you can’t force a player to do shit lmao
This has GOT to be the most pathetic handling of a trade deadline we've ever witnessed in all of pro sports! Not only do they lose Ohtani for nothing but then to also trade your top prospects away for guys that you end up cutting a few weeks later for nothing in return is reaching legendary levels of failure! Just think about the swing of the number of top prospects they COULD/SHOULD have right now compared to gaining none and even losing many of your own... Crazy ineptitude
Everyone talking about how the Angels are wasting the potential of the two superstar players but the superstar players took their money 🤧🤧🤧 everyone makes their decisions and lives with the consequences
So despite being 2 of the top 5 baseball players on the planet, they should decline to be paid for their talent bc some clown on the internet doesn’t understand economics? Okay 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
@@richardtherichard26 people are like bitching and moaning that Otani and Trout's careers are being wasted when your dumbass doesn't understand that either of them could've gotten their paychecks anywhere else. Be smarter bud
that opening line of naming the team had me roaring in laughter
Selling prospects with a weak farm system with a team that could maybe make a wild card spot with a few upgrades was an absurdly dumb decision in the first place. If they had a super good farm system, the all-in push would make sense even if it blows up because you still have a farm system for a quick reload in a couple years. By not trading Ohtani and instead buying at the deadline, the Angels are pretty much doomed to be a bottom-feeder for the rest of the decade.
Our farm system is weak because we brought them up to MLB level
I think they feel they've already brought up their best prospects and have their catcher, SS and 1st baseman for the next six years in O'Hoppe, Neto and Schanuel. They have Trout and an all-star caliber third baseman if Rendon ever comes back to form. They still have lots of pitching prospects, but don't seem to be doing a good job of developing consistency with them, and maybe have brought them all up too fast. The pressure to win now will be off next year, so they might not be in as bad shape as people seem to think.
Rendon's contract is why they're shit. They can't sign anybody cause they have damn near $40 million tied up on a guy who had 1 good postseason. As a Rangers fan, I marvel in their failure but as a baseball fan, it hurts to know that Rendon is being paid over $1 million a season MORE than Trout. Let that fucking sink in
The oldhead baseball mentality is what sinks franchises.
They should learn from the NBA and trade when the trading is hot.
The only person that thinks Arte Moreno is a good owner is Arte Moreno. A few years ago, many pointed at Mike Scioscia as the root of the problem with this team, but since he left, things have not improved and in many ways have gotten worse. As for Trout, one of the jokes is that he chose to stay because he would have Octobers free to pursue other interests. During the last NFL playoffs, he was spotted at the Eagles vs. 49ers game that determined which team would go to the Super Bowl. As soon as I saw that, I knew social media would have a field day because the jokes practically wrote themselves.
You really have to put it on team brasses considering you have those two guys on the field at least in the last couple 3 or so seasons where shohei was coming in to his own. It's a lot easier building a team when you have those two filling up with middle of the lineup. But again, I'd really look back and either the management drafted horribly or traded away prospects for fixers. Also after giving albert that deal and josh that deal, they just didnt learn any better. Considering all the deals people gave out to players 30+, the majority of those deals do end up costing the franchise too much in money and lost opportunities. The teams that consistently win must develop from within. I guess it's just too bad that the Angels will just keep struggling for years to come until Rendon is off the books. Trading Trout is definitely the best move here as it'll give them some tanking time and replenish the farm system, cause there's no way anyone's taking rendon off their books.
They went for it this year but it was too late, 21 off season would have been the time to add pitching and high on base guys
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When they said that they didn't MRI Ohtani's arm the month prior, that's when I knew this team was a bigger joke than we thought. Medical professionals on the team didn't think "hey, you're not a medical expert, let's get this looked at. You might feel fine now but this might be worse under the surface".
I hurt my back at work and didn't think I needed an MRI, my job forced me to get one and it turns out I herniated my back so bad I fractured a disc. But I felt fine, my MRI said I was fucked up.
You retard his representation denied a MRI lmao
What they said was that Ohtani wasn't flagging any elbow problems, just some cramping in his fingers. There elbow came out of the blue and there had been no obvious need for an MRI.
For me, the most devastatingly disappointing FA signing was (still is) Anthony Rendon. He has done NOTHING, except to cash his fat paychecks. He still has several years left on his contract. He will need to have monster seasons in 2024, 2025, and 2026 to justify his monster contract. Ohtani is as good as gone. Hopefully, Trout will be healthy next year, and the Angels will build the team like the Braves did back in the 1990's. Assembling a good pitching staff is the key.
Oh no, not just “some” top prospects. All of them. Ky Bush, Edgar Quero, Jeremiah Jackson, Coleman Crow, Mason Albright, Landon Marceaux… you will hear some of these names in the MLB in a couple years, and they won’t be Angels. Probably for the best though, knowing our reputation for developing players. In retrospect, this turned an already bad decision into one of the worst decisions in MLB general management history (though it’s likely more Arte’s fault than Perry’s)
The Angels are like the Los Angeles San Diego Chargers just one championship appearance and have not returned ever since one and done franchise
If I were Shohei Otani, I'd file for free agency as soon as the World Series has concluded and never look back. There are absolutely no signs of progress with the Angels organization.
The Angels have the Mariners in their division and yet the Angels are still somehow more pathetic
The Mariners are 1st 🥇 in the west right now
It’s ok they’ll choke in the last ten games
Let those superstars go. Give them a shot to play for a WS ring. Would love to see either one of them on the Astro's lineup next year! Go Astros!
For sure!
Mfs really think Quero and Bush were gonna be lights out players
And the sad thing is Mike trout could be forgotten about and viewed as overrated by the next generation. It’s a scary thought
Angels Top 10 Prospects as of 9/4/23
1. Nolan Schanuel
2. Caden Dana
3. Nelson Rada
4. Albert Rios
5. Kyren Paris
6. Denzer Guzman
7. Ben Joyce
8. Barrett Kent
9. Jack Kochanowicz
10. Adrian Palaencia
How long did it take you to do that intro? That was impressive 😂
Shohei and Trout HAVE to leave this off-season. They would be stupid not to. Period.
Well considering trout is under contract until 2030, I don’t think he’s going anywhere…
Yet another RUclipsr, who doesn’t look into the root of the problem. I admit Otani has not been the issue, but Trout has definitely been part of the problem the past few seasons
Trouts' past his prime, now
Angels owner needs to sell, he ruin the team for literally 2 decades now. He literally got to go and get the fuck out of Anaheim and stay back in Arizona.
Ohtani would have seen the playoffs 2 times if he signed with the Padres but there was no DH and thats where he wanted to go originally
I wouldn’t say everyone loves someone, it’s a bit of an oversight and generalization!
Feel bad for Trout...Low motivation around no chance to be something in the league other than a Franchise star
God, when you say it all at once like this it's like a freakin' Greek tragedy😟
Astros, Rangers, Mariners: No no no, keep doing what you're doing! It's worked wonders for us.
:)
Been an Angels fan my whole life and I can confidently say this is worst organization in all sports, not baseball, EVERY SINGLE SPORT! Terrible franchise.
This seasons was not that bad, they were decent at start winning and then they got hurt and hurt and it was not stopping. The injuries is the major reason the team is not on the post season spot.
Also, let's not forget, it didn't help having a manager who was not qualified for the job. His mismanagement has cost the team numerous wins. He should have been fired weeks ago.
As an angels fan seeing this vid is like getting punched in the face after already getting our balls kicked, backs stabbed, hearts broken, and dreams destroyed
I think you covered the list of maladies very well.
Ohtani and Trout deserves to be in a WS Team.
bro idk why but something about this mans videos are so good and i always watch each video
Even with Ohtani having an MVP season, Angels are going to miss the playoffs. At this point, it’s 100% an organizational problem.
They seriously need a new voice in the ownership and Arte Moreno has been the biggest problem for the club for 20+ years! He’s done absolutely nothing but wasting 2 generational talents and continue to hold the team back. He’s got to sell the team at this point
Like a new owner is going to magically fix their bullpen
@@chrisuncleahmada new owner would hopefully do more than just sign old free agents
The Man of steel music in the background 🔥
Artie wants to sell tickets, not win baseball games.
Bad investment, he’s just as dumb as Jerry Jones from the cowboys
7:28 have you ever watched Destroy Build Destroy on cartoon network 😂
That one throw-back uni looks like a worker at In N Out😂😅
It’s the city connect uniform. It gets inspiration from the surfer/socal lifestyle, so you in-n-out isn’t far off the mark.
It’s really hard to pick a worse front office. It’s funny because they spend money but they’re just not very good at doing it.
their amount of time spent together doesn't mean much because of injuries and pitching injuries to Ohtani
Pujos was a .328 hitter his first 11 years for the Cardinals, then is a .250 hitter his last ten years with the Angels. It was weird to watch. If I were Trout I would entertain the thought of joining Harper in Philly, close to where he grew up in NJ. I know that Harper tried to pitch the offer to MLB to get the trade, but it didn't happen. Ohtani probably would be best in Seattle. This way they are on winning teams that will see the post season.
Albert had hip issues lmao and he was 32 Wtf are you on about
@@smellyfly9469 well then, he should have just done the twist.
Why would Bryce Harper contact the mlb to try and get a trade going? 1hes not a gm 2 you wouldn’t call the mlb for that… that’s completely made up lmfaooooo
Well...at least they still have their number one prospect??
If I was an MLB free agent and the Angels offered me huge contract I would run like hell and request an exorcism. I have never seen. A team have such scary luck with free agents.
As a fan of the Los Anehiem Angles of Legolas I approve of your intro.
Don't think I didn't catch the ZSJL music in the background. Especially "At The Speed of Force."
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Probably your best video yet
Man, That is a historic level of incompetence running rampant in the Angels front office. They have one of the worst owners in sports to boot. It's really pathetic how they've wasted having two of the greatest players ever on their roster.
the brightest stage those two legends ever been together is the final AB of the 2023 WBC final sadly.
Automatically subbing to the channel after the first 5 seconds of the video
As a buccos fan it honestly makes me feel better about my team even tho it’s a joke we haven’t fired the hitting coach n manager. At least we getting better tho!