How the Angels Burnt $1 Billion

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @AndThatsBaseball
    @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +206

    I know this video is reaching a lot of new viewers, so if you liked it, I'd really appreciate if you left a like and subscribed to the channel! Subscribing is free, helps me out a ton, and if you hit the bell next to the subscribe button, you'll get notified every time I upload a new video 👍

    • @madmadmadworld9387
      @madmadmadworld9387 2 года назад +1

      16, i used to work at a liquor store across from gene autry hotel, when the players would stay and spring train at the local stadium, right next to the high school.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      @@madmadmadworld9387 Did you ever meet any big time players?

    • @madmadmadworld9387
      @madmadmadworld9387 2 года назад +4

      @@AndThatsBaseball i worked the register, yes, only guy i remember reggie jackson. remember eating in the bar at gene autry hotel with pops and watching the players, all polo'd out, sweaters on , get smashed and not get laid, they tried though. we would run through the dugouts and steal ..gloves , jackets..still have one angel jacket hanging in closet, very vintage looking.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      @@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes I apologize, I know I throw a lot of information out very quickly. It can be tough to pick everything up if you don’t already have a baseline understanding of Arte Moreno’s impact on baseball. Still glad you enjoyed the vid, though!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      @@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes yes, “the Los Angeles angels” is just “the the angels angels”

  • @LqdSanity79
    @LqdSanity79 2 года назад +770

    I'm a life-long Cardinals fan and a Pujols fan but I was glad we didn't resign him back in 2011. He simply wasn't worth the money. When I heard what they were paying him, and for how long, I remember thinking "Good, let someone else ruin their team. Glad it wasn't us." We paid $14 million for his prime years and and won two World Series. The Angels were paying him $25-$30 million for a fraction of the output. And now we have him back at $2.5 million and he just hit his 700th HR. Part of being a good GM is knowing when to let a good player go.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +79

      I think the cardinals only offered up to 7 years if I remember correctly. They definitely didn’t want to get sunk by a bad deal, and this situation has played out basically perfect for Cards fans. No bad memories of Albert for y’all.

    • @Capsule71420
      @Capsule71420 2 года назад +43

      Pujols single handedly finessed the Ångels.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +49

      @@Capsule71420 Angels finessed their fans

    • @SuperSmashBrosKing33
      @SuperSmashBrosKing33 2 года назад +3

      That’s cold

    • @LqdSanity79
      @LqdSanity79 2 года назад +26

      @@SuperSmashBrosKing33 Pujols was definitely worth $30 million his first ten years, and the Cards got him at the bargain price of $14 mill. He simply wasn't worth that much the next ten years. If I was in his shoes, I would have absolutely signed with the Angels. HE did the right thing, and so did the Cardinals. The Angels, however, overpaid and got burned in the end.

  • @cedricrebullar3698
    @cedricrebullar3698 2 года назад +416

    As a lifelong Angels fan, this is by far the best mini documentary I’ve ever watched.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +10

      That means a lot to me, thanks for the support!

    • @Caper1144
      @Caper1144 2 года назад +3

      BlueJays fan here. I totally forgot about the Vernon Wells trade. My god he sucked in Toronto for years. I remember thinking... "what are they thinking?" I was so glad the Jays got rid of him. Jays had a tighter budget then and I'd keep looking up his garbage contract every few weeks to remind myself how long I had to wait for for this monstrosity to expire. Still shocked Angels took him.

    • @VidaBlue317
      @VidaBlue317 2 года назад +2

      The Anaheim Angels of California, Los Angeles

    • @GymnasticsCoach83
      @GymnasticsCoach83 2 года назад +2

      @@VidaBlue317 LMAO yeah really haha. Might as well be. Still despise the name change YEARS later.

    • @MrJPar2
      @MrJPar2 2 года назад

      Wasteful contracts to bartolo colon, gary matthews jr., vernon wells, yes even the great albert pujols got too much, hamilton, david freese and now anthony rendon have sunk this franchise. Hopefully this irresponsible confused adult-child Moreno goes away and they FINALLY rebuild and Ohtani & Trout gets into the playoffs for us

  • @jkelly86
    @jkelly86 2 года назад +356

    I'm an Angels fan who had season tix 2004-2010, I was there for many great and horrifying moments during those years. The last 12 years have been simply abysmal and us Angels fans can't wait to move on from Arte. Hoping for brighter days ahead.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +19

      Hopefully the 2020s will be more like the 2000s than the 2010s

    • @calworthington4308
      @calworthington4308 2 года назад +2

      @@tonyjt0151bayarearep just switch to the giants while we suck. We’ll be back

    • @jkelly86
      @jkelly86 2 года назад +1

      @@tonyjt0151bayarearep I feel for the A’s fans, too. Lots of my friends are from the bay/grew up fans (great fans) and your owners are trash.

    • @encinobalboa
      @encinobalboa 2 года назад +13

      Arte has done nada except change the team name from Anaheim to Los Angeles.

    • @kylergoodson1961
      @kylergoodson1961 2 года назад +5

      @@tonyjt0151bayarearep you guys are making me feel better being a mariners fan. Believe me i feel your pain, can't believe we never won with Griffey

  • @ra3975
    @ra3975 2 года назад +362

    It feels so bad to be an Angels fan. It's like being married to someone that keeps relapsing into addiction or a compulsive liar.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +40

      That's the reason I discussed them instead of the Pirates or Rockies. Those teams are just hopeless, but the Angels always have a reason to watch at the beginning of the season, just to have the same problems as always a few months in.

    • @daaaaabearss
      @daaaaabearss 2 года назад +13

      Hey, you leave Josh Hamilton out of this! 😂

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +7

      @@daaaaabearss mannnnnn 😭😭

    • @c.garcia3737
      @c.garcia3737 2 года назад +3

      I feel your pain stopped watching them because it hurts so bad

    • @randomkidonyoutube1617
      @randomkidonyoutube1617 2 года назад +2

      @@AndThatsBaseball PROFIT FIRST OWNERS

  • @iamshevanel
    @iamshevanel 2 года назад +140

    Still convinced this all started when Kendrys Morales broke his leg on a walk off grand slam (I unfortunately, was in attendance that afternoon) in May 2010. To me, that was the nail in the coffin for the momentum the Angels carried into 2010 , after the "deep" run in '09. Great work on this video! Subbed.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +20

      Morales injury is one of the most brutal things ever. Really derailed his career, glad he won a ring with KC tho.

    • @MrLogistician
      @MrLogistician 2 года назад +3

      That reminds me of the Pittsburgh pirates 2011 season. They were tied for 1st in the NL central and a blown call by Jerry Meals cost them the game in the 19th inning. Their entire season AND THEIR NEXT SEASON both were crap after that one bad call on that play.

    • @SnobbyRobotMultimedia
      @SnobbyRobotMultimedia 2 года назад +2

      Ultimately that moment should’ve been a clue that it was time to rebuild. The Angels had lost so much talent from that ‘09 team that couldn’t be replaced. The lack of depth in seasons after that is tied into trading talent to plug holes rather than starting over.

    • @daygloman
      @daygloman 2 года назад +1

      I was at that game as well. The whole stadium stopped when it happened!

    • @daygloman
      @daygloman 2 года назад

      @@MrLogistician Meals is a POS umpire. I've NEVER understood the attraction MLB has with him?

  • @Immaculate_deception
    @Immaculate_deception 2 года назад +42

    As an Anaheim resident born & raised - and longtime fan of the California & Anaheim Angels, Bravo, sir. Bravo.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +4

      It seems I’m now the people’s champion of Anaheim

  • @retro_retro_retro
    @retro_retro_retro 2 года назад +507

    This is going to be 23 minutes of greatness.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +15

      Lets goooooooo

    • @itsmealex8959
      @itsmealex8959 2 года назад +6

      I wish. It was oy 22:56 minutes of greatness ;(

    • @donlaney2837
      @donlaney2837 2 года назад +8

      I've promised 23 minutes of greatness before and I didn't deliver

  • @NamesSimba
    @NamesSimba 2 года назад +174

    Thank you for this video, I’m an angels fan and this is all on Arte Moreno. He’s the dark angel for this franchise and I can’t wait for him to sell the team.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +15

      I had this vid planned before he announced the sale, I’m so glad there’s a light at the end of this tunnel now

    • @NamesSimba
      @NamesSimba 2 года назад +13

      @@AndThatsBaseball I sure hope with a new owner the culture of the franchise is changed entirely for the better. I’ve known for years that Moreno cared more about the ticket sales and merchandise over the teams success. Some of these moves felt like it was him making these moves and not the GM. When Eppler lost out on Gerrit Cole in the 2019 offseason the rendon signing felt an act of desperation for his job. Every GM has felt like his puppet. Although I do some some light with a young up and coming rotation doing well, and emergence of a few young guys (ward and Rengifo). The team just needs to solidify a SS and add depth to the bullpen and position wise and hope things change for the better.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      @@NamesSimba couldn’t have said it better myself

    • @SuperCatacata
      @SuperCatacata 2 года назад +4

      @@NamesSimba Yeah, my whole life has been witness to this slowly dying franchise and it sucks.
      When I was a kid, people mentioned the Angels alongside the Dodgers, Giants, and A's as the big teams in California. Now the Angels are just an afterthought and only known for Trout and Ohtani. It's sad, and I hope they can turn it around.

    • @johnpineda8478
      @johnpineda8478 2 года назад +2

      A new owner isn't going to fix this many of the top free agents don't want to play for the angels most of them go to NY or Boston

  • @amazingkook143
    @amazingkook143 Год назад +65

    It looks like Arte Moreno is not selling the team, RIP Angels.

  • @HSB81898
    @HSB81898 Год назад +11

    I'm a lifelong angels fan and I never considered this perspective, but after watching your video it makes a ton of sense. I never understood why Arte wouldn't spend big money on reliable pitchers, the thing the angels have desperately needed since the Weaver/Wilson era. But you found the missing puzzle piece - reliable bullpen arms don't sell jerseys.

  • @DonOfChi
    @DonOfChi 2 года назад +32

    Being a Angels fan and seeing them win in 2002 gave me hope they could be a consistent winner. Now we are wasting Ohtani and Trout. Hopefully he sells the team to a person that cares about the sport instead of another Arte

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +8

      If every sports owner cared about their sport, leagues would be so much better

  • @mikayocc
    @mikayocc 2 года назад +12

    As an Angels fan and someone born/raised in OC, I thought I was dreaming when I woke up and the saw the news that Arte was selling. I pinched myself and slapped myself in the face just to make sure I wasn't dreaming. I still won't believe it until it actually happens, but I just really want Troutani in the playoffs. It PAINS me not to see 2 of the best living baseball players competing for a WS ring! Thank you for this video, and may the sale be completely SWIFTLY and to someone willing to spend $$$ to build a competitive team around Trout and Ohtani!!

    • @baxatakbaxatak2014
      @baxatakbaxatak2014 3 месяца назад

      It did not, in fact, happen. Sell the team, Arte.

  • @IvanYamilLopez
    @IvanYamilLopez 2 года назад +66

    Thank you for making me feel 23 minutes of pain. I wish your channel nothing but millions of subs.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +5

      Thanks! And I wish the Angels a new owner who supports the city of Anaheim, is willing to spend, and doesn’t let his ego block smart baseball decision makers from doing their jobs.

    • @nicksatwr4538
      @nicksatwr4538 2 года назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball it’s fine to only wnat to make money 99 percent of owners do the problem is he only cared about money and tryed to be his own gm

    • @nicksatwr4538
      @nicksatwr4538 2 года назад

      If he acc let his front office do ther job they would be ok but he drafts players he sighs guys when it shoudl he gm

    • @nicksatwr4538
      @nicksatwr4538 2 года назад

      And he refuses to spend over luxarry tax to make up for his mistakes

    • @nicksatwr4538
      @nicksatwr4538 2 года назад

      So it’s liek he won’t let his front office do job makes teribble sighing and then refuses to go above 270 millon to make up for it

  • @mjfanatic42
    @mjfanatic42 2 года назад +13

    lifelong angels fan here. you nailed every point us fans make. the worst thing that can happen now is moreno going back on his commitment to sell team. have a sub - hope you get more views.

  • @OCRay1
    @OCRay1 2 года назад +9

    Thank you! I’ve been saying since year 2 of his ownership how much Moreno has ruined the franchise, disrespected the fans and mistreated the employees including the players.
    SELL SELL SELL Moreno!!!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +3

      Most local fans were probably suspicious as soon as he changed the name of the team

  • @anewt72690
    @anewt72690 2 года назад +9

    The sprint to the finish on this was WILD. Like, I remember these things happening over the years, but condensed into 23 minutes shows just how much of a horrible cascade it's been. Amazing journalism.

  • @SolixTanaka
    @SolixTanaka 2 года назад +19

    Worth noting that Beltre's slash in Texas was monstrous .330/.383/.555 vs. a much more tepid .268/.323/.482 in Angels Stadium. Texas also had a much more potent offense to provide him protection in the lineup. It's really a mystery of whether he would be able to sustain the hitting numbers he was known for had he signed with the Angels, which played in a much more pitcher-friendly version of the park.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +11

      I think this is somewhat fair, but either way, he would’ve been a massive asset for the Angels. Fantastic defender and still a good hitter, even if not as great. As for the lineup protection, he was still a pretty damn good hitter as he approached 40 with a really weak rangers team around him.

    • @brucerorty4014
      @brucerorty4014 Год назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball The marine layer tamps down a lot of would-be home runs, turning them into long outs.

  • @EdSmith313
    @EdSmith313 2 года назад +6

    The usage of Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 starting at 13:49 was simply masterful in showing the Sisyphean tale of the Angels since the moment the Pujols and TV deals happened.

  • @wiildn
    @wiildn 2 года назад +35

    Been saying this for years... though baseball is a business, it is more than that. But to Arte, it was *only* a business. Ironically I believe Ohtani wouldn't be in Anaheim (maybe even the MLB) if it wasn't for him; I wholeheartedly believe Arte made the deal to bring him over from Japan because he knew he could market the rare "two-way player" AND the excitement of Japanese players in MLB (I think the Angels were one of, if not the only team that was going to let Ohtani try to both pitch and hit everyday). Somehow, this ended up working perfectly for both Moreno and the sport as a whole.
    While I love that he has brought great names and excitement to the team, it's just disappointing year-in and year-out. I can't wait for him to sell the team. Unfortunately it'll take a while for the Angels to rebuild and free up some payroll from bad contracts but it's a necessity at this point. Feel bad for Trout as he will likely never win a ring, but on the bright side he's set for life and gets to live in a beautiful area. Though I love Ohtani and he's the reason I got back into baseball, I hope he doesn't choose the same route as Trout and chooses to go to a club that plays more than 162 games a year.
    edit- Forgot to mention how amazing the video was! You explained stuff I've had my theories about with full-blown math and not to mention great visuals and graphics. I was totally thrown off when I went to subscribe and you only had 1.6k subs- I felt like I watched a video made by a multi-million dollar company. Props dude!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +7

      Man I hope the Angels can have a quick turnaround to win with Trout and Ohtani, even if the odds are against them.

    • @OmegaTyrant
      @OmegaTyrant 2 года назад +2

      I believe the Mariners were also interested in letting Ohtani hit and pitch, but the Angels won out in the end, partly because they had the better outlook at the time and Ohtani wanted to play with Trout. Oh how Ohtani chose the wrong team...

    • @wiildn
      @wiildn 2 года назад +8

      @@OmegaTyrant True that he definitely chose the losing team in comparison to the Mariners, but can't say whether or not he would be the same hitter if he went to Seattle. I didn't know about him wanting to play with Trout, which obviously makes sense, but I imagine that he has learned a ton from him- whether it be from raw mechanics or even just telling Shohei how to approach different pitchers.
      IMO having Ohtani starting as a Mariner would put huge pressure on him to live up to Ichiro's career- whereas with the Angels, he got to join a club with Pujols and Trout (2 of the best players ever) and was actually given time to develop into an MVP caliber player under a lot less pressure.

    • @tootspogsforever5590
      @tootspogsforever5590 2 года назад +2

      @@wiildn great analysis man😊

    • @Gemnist98
      @Gemnist98 2 года назад +4

      My bet? Shohei Ohtani will move and Mike Trout won’t.
      If the major contract extension is anything to go by, Trout values his team brand too much. That, and the money. Also the WAR inflation he gets by being on the team and the HOF’s love of a guy that sticks with one team forever.
      Ohtani, however, doesn’t care about any of that. He is incredibly frugal and also super self-confident. He doesn’t care about all the stuff baseball players usually seek. He just wants to win and collect all the records he can. And that will result in him moving to a more competitive team like the Astros or Yankees.

  • @Matt.gaming1
    @Matt.gaming1 2 года назад +12

    Unbelievable video. Really answered all of the mysteries behind what has really gone on with the franchise.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching!

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 4 месяца назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball @Matt.gaming1 I always wondered why the Angels spent so much but it never seemed to work out. This was a great answer to that as I'll 2nd it.

  • @Coldstonesteveaustin
    @Coldstonesteveaustin 2 года назад +37

    As bad as the last 20 years were for the angels I feel with the new ownership around the corner we have some hope

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +9

      It all depends on the new owner. If they're willing to spend and invest in the minor league system, development, and front office personnel, good things will happen.

    • @hubaldotorres4841
      @hubaldotorres4841 2 года назад +4

      @@AndThatsBaseball if Steve Ballmer purchased the Angels, Angels will be competing for the playoffs every year

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +3

      @@hubaldotorres4841 That would be an interesting one, would be 100x better than Arte

  • @dekafumo9233
    @dekafumo9233 2 года назад +15

    ive been a fan of the angels since i was 4 and always rooted for them, and realized when i was 12 how terrible arte is and now im about to be 20 and still a fan having hope for the team's success, now im in relief that he's selling the team and now i can see a brighter future for anaheim, i will call them anaheim angels till im dead

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      Glad that you finally have something to look forward to with this team now that he’s selling

  • @LOTUSELISE340R
    @LOTUSELISE340R 2 года назад +6

    Have always complained openly to my friends how one team can spend SOO much on so few players be so consistently terrible. This was fantastic. Excellent work!

  • @UnethicalCritic
    @UnethicalCritic Год назад +1

    Bro can we talk about the incredible music you’re putting on these baseball vids…. Huit Octobre 1971 is a deep cut mad respect

  • @TheoR39
    @TheoR39 2 года назад +13

    This video was insane. I think in a few years there will be a documentary about this, and it would be awesome if they gave you some credit for your work.

  • @Ethan_Coble
    @Ethan_Coble 2 года назад +5

    Wow... only 4.4k subs... This might be the single handed best documentary style analysis of any team over the past few decades and their ownership... As a lifelong Angels fan... Thank you for this video. Earned my sub!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      I was at 1.3 before this vid, 4.4 seems like a massive number to me right now. I’m grateful for all the new people this reached, and I’m glad you enjoyed!

  • @josephh7897
    @josephh7897 2 года назад +3

    Brilliantly made good sir. Unique, well articulated, and intriguing for all 23 minutes. Looking forward to more of what you produce.

  • @Dermenscha
    @Dermenscha 2 года назад +12

    I remember as a kid being so excited to go to Angels games throughout the 00s, the team wasn't always great, but there was a lot of ambiance and fun in the stadium. When I finally got back again in 2019, it was dismal, depressing, and I spent the entire game thinking "I could be watching this at home right now". Hoping the sale turns things around.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +5

      The 2000s angels felt like an actual ball club, the 2010s and early 2020s teams are a few stars playing with a bunch of minor leaguers.

  • @mickmebeify
    @mickmebeify 2 года назад +8

    Amazing review. It sucks to be an angels fan because it hurts yearly.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      I’m certainly rooting for you guys to turn it around

  • @kyleanderson512
    @kyleanderson512 2 года назад +7

    i really hope new ownership can turn this franchise around, us Angel fans are as loyal as they come and we deserve bettwr

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      I’m rooting for y’all!

    • @hubaldotorres4841
      @hubaldotorres4841 2 года назад +2

      Steve Ballmer buying the Angels will make sense but that’s just my idea 💡.

  • @spraynpray
    @spraynpray 2 года назад +4

    I've been complaining about the Angels free agent signings and telling Angels fans their ownership is killing their team. They've mostly been in agreement. When Moreno decided to sell, stories like these have been put together. You did a great job.
    They always have the one or two biggest names, and play .500 baseball.

  • @GymnasticsCoach83
    @GymnasticsCoach83 Год назад +4

    I came back to this video almost a year later, and can say...this video is still valid to this day as I type this--in fact, even more so than ever.

  • @digitalbobby42
    @digitalbobby42 2 года назад +5

    Angels 2002 Wild Card World Series Champions were a special combination of ball players that peaked at the right time. That kind of chemistry is very rare, I'm glad I got to see it!

    • @THE_BEAR_JEW
      @THE_BEAR_JEW 2 года назад +1

      Same I lived by the Crystal Cathedral just around the corner of Edison field during those years and I’m glad I got to enjoy the Angels and Ducks winning chips. Those were great times.

    • @SmoothCriminal12
      @SmoothCriminal12 2 года назад

      I dont see a ton of people talk about how deadly that bullpen was during that run. K-Rod, Percival and Donnelly were unbelievable. And they needed them with how inexperienced their starters were.

  • @ryanc473
    @ryanc473 Год назад +4

    Apparently Arte is no longer selling...
    That makes me very sad as a lifelong angel's fan...
    Very sad indeed...

  • @NWOWCW4Life1
    @NWOWCW4Life1 2 года назад +9

    Knew a little with the UTree video but man, this delved into more.
    Not a baseball guy but for this and cause I like documentary videos like these, I gotta do a sub. You’ve earned this one indeed.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Tree’s vid was def an inspiration, he’s actually the person who sent me the link to the old press conference that I used throughout the video, but I think actually adding up the money separates my point from his. I’m glad people think of his vid when they see this, but I’m also glad people don’t think I’m copying him or something. Thanks for watching and subbing!

    • @NWOWCW4Life1
      @NWOWCW4Life1 2 года назад +1

      @@AndThatsBaseball Oh that’s awesome

  • @JoeWayne84
    @JoeWayne84 2 года назад +9

    Holy shit he broke his leg on a walk off grand slam … went from the best day of his life to the worst day of his life instantly.. man that’s so crazy

  • @schwanimal
    @schwanimal 2 года назад +5

    The title of this video pissed me off immensely but the comments made me watch it, and it's actually a great recap of the last 20ish Angel years.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Then both of my goals have been met. This shit should piss off any angels fans and baseball fans in general

    • @schwanimal
      @schwanimal 2 года назад +2

      @@AndThatsBaseball I've watched the last 30 years of Angels baseball, already there, dude. 🤣

  • @AndyCastroLH22
    @AndyCastroLH22 7 месяцев назад +2

    I remember being a kid , turning on the angels game to enjoy it vs the rangers , then I saw Napoli in a rangers jersey , that was my first sports heartbreak, my favorite player traded and me not knowing because I didn’t keep up with trades or anything outside of watching

  • @dontknowdocare
    @dontknowdocare 2 года назад +6

    Well edited and put together video. I got pointed to this by a fellow Angels fan, I hope the algorithm picks you up one day! Great work!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Love all the angels fans for supporting this vid!

  • @geck0milk
    @geck0milk 2 года назад +1

    I don't like baseball, so you making me watch an entire video about it is truly impressive. Kudos to you sir.

  • @Uncannyguitar
    @Uncannyguitar 2 года назад +7

    Your channel is amazing man. You're gonna be up there in subscribers and influence with channels like baseball doesn't exist and foolish baseball in no time. It's so great to see amazing baseball content creators popping up left and right.
    Keep it up.

  • @melioda9554
    @melioda9554 2 года назад +2

    The fact alone you have Marvin Gayes "I Want You" playing in the background is hilarious and earned me subscribing!

  • @myplane150
    @myplane150 2 года назад +8

    Very well done video. Well researched and nicely presented. How about a series of the best or worst stretches financially for each team. If that is too much, could you do a video of the McCourt days with the Dodgers for this huge Dodger fan? That would be really interesting to see. Thanks, and again, well done...☺

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      I appreciate the suggestions, but I’m def gonna try to find some more positive stories in the near future. Don’t want my channel to be all doom and gloom. Thanks for watching!

  • @getTheSchmack
    @getTheSchmack 2 года назад +2

    Love the Kendrick Playing in the background. Subscribed keep it up! Great vid also I never caught onto this

  • @petuniasevan
    @petuniasevan Год назад +5

    I don't hate Arte Moreno. Hating someone takes personal knowledge. I wouldn't know him from Adam on the street.
    I DESPISE Arte Moreno. For all he's done to destroy the Angels, their fans' hopes, the careers of star players, and the fact that he WILL NOT SELL like he said he would. Go to hell, Arte.

  • @rubal7577
    @rubal7577 Год назад +1

    im just here to say your background music choice is top tier lmaooo best one ive ever seen

  • @vjekobasic7059
    @vjekobasic7059 2 года назад +4

    Very impressed by the quality of the video, keep up the good work!

  • @thegamingpigeon3216
    @thegamingpigeon3216 Год назад +3

    Also something you didn't mention: MORENO pushed for his gm to acquire Vernon Wells because he personally liked him.

    • @qshot9848
      @qshot9848 Год назад

      And that’s the terrifying thing to look at. Before Minasian, he may have been waaayyy more hands on than what we may ever truly know especially with Eppler and Dipoto who may have been GM in Name Only while he forced them to cater to his wants, kinda like a certain former NFL Team Owner…..

  • @peganawanopeganawano1803
    @peganawanopeganawano1803 2 года назад +3

    i don’t like videos like these as an angels fan but it’s a great video, i like how you acknowledge this is largely arte and higher ups’ fault

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Thanks, a lot needs to change for this team to turn around.

  • @nickcole1800
    @nickcole1800 2 года назад +11

    I love this educational baseball video. I always wondered why the Angels were so bad even with their big signings. You gained a subscriber!

  • @respect386
    @respect386 2 года назад +3

    This video is absolutely incredible. Excellent job with this analysis. Subscribed!

  • @hillcaps
    @hillcaps 2 года назад +1

    This video just popped up on my recommended feed and im glad it did. Beautifully edited and researched, can’t to watch more of your vids!

  • @karsonmapes
    @karsonmapes 2 года назад +3

    wow this was super eye opening, i knew they had a myriad of bad contracts but I guess I wasn’t keeping score. when you run through all of them over the years it is quite astonishing

  • @christianhanson700
    @christianhanson700 2 года назад +2

    This is the most accurate video I have ever seen. Finally explaining what true fans of the team have thought for years. Such a disgrace to the city.

  • @kevinw.5149
    @kevinw.5149 2 года назад +8

    Having the 2 best players on your team and sucking this bad should be a crime, no surprises the FBI were onto him.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +6

      Absolutely mind boggling to have two guys who are this good and not even threaten for a third wild card spot

  • @MrJPar2
    @MrJPar2 2 года назад +1

    youtubers can save the world from corrupt media. this video is a godsent

  • @rileymartin7193
    @rileymartin7193 2 года назад +6

    Coming from an angels fan, it's awful. To make matters worse, he doesn't even show up to games anymore. He hasn't gone to a single home game all year

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +3

      Hey, that last part seems like a good thing to me. The more distance he puts between himself and the team, the better for the fans.

    • @solitude7566
      @solitude7566 2 года назад

      I remember reading years ago that he was having a lot of negative responses from fans (I wonder why!) so it's not surprising. He has probably been thinking of selling the team for some time now.

  • @stulog
    @stulog 2 года назад +2

    As a Mariners' fan, I didn't conciously realize how many players/personel we've gotten from there Angels over the last decade or so

  • @curtiswilliams236
    @curtiswilliams236 2 года назад +5

    As a lifelong Angels 😇 fan this video hurts. But it's the truth. I'm just glad I was able to see us win a World Series in 2002. But yeah Arte is a terrible owner. Well researched and well produced video. I hope you get many more followers it's well deserved.

  • @Bupman2
    @Bupman2 Год назад +2

    Holy Jon Bois! This is a great video! Love the soundtrack as well

  • @jamesweldon8118
    @jamesweldon8118 2 года назад +9

    Your channel is gonna blow up with bangers like this

  • @commandershepard4471
    @commandershepard4471 2 года назад +1

    Buddy, that algorithm hit hard today cause I’m gonna binge these vids tonight.

  • @gothenmosph5151
    @gothenmosph5151 2 года назад +3

    Gotta say that as a Cardinals fan there was a lot of schadenfreude I've been able to enjoy over these years after they signed Pujols. Of course it turned out to be great for the Cardinals but I still enjoyed seeing them struggle. Pujols has done amazing work for the Cardinals this year and it makes me wonder what he thinks about his days in Anaheim.
    Eventually I got over it and now it's just sad. Trout has been to three playoff games his whole career, THREE. It's just a travesty at this point. Then you add Ohtani into the mix and it's so hard to imagine how they still suck so badly with their payroll. I hope their new owner gets them to the playoffs because Trout isn't getting any younger and Ohtani is only under contract one more year.

  • @stevenschmidt4441
    @stevenschmidt4441 Год назад +1

    im a mets fan and that morales slam mistake broke my frucking heart man. my second favorite team is the angels i pray every year for a mets vs angels world series!

  • @LordBurger
    @LordBurger 2 года назад +3

    love the style tribute to jon bois. need more of this style from yt

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      Easily my biggest inspiration. Some of my vids are actual rip offs of him, I feel like this one is more of my own style but still with clear influence.

    • @LordBurger
      @LordBurger 2 года назад +1

      @@AndThatsBaseball this definitely is your own video and should be treated that way. and thats a great thing too 💪

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed!

  • @kaushiknair3850
    @kaushiknair3850 2 года назад +1

    excellent video bro, i was hooked the entire time. great research and storytelling

  • @marbury77
    @marbury77 2 года назад +7

    This video was awesome! Needs a part two maybe on how the angels can get back to winning on the field again! Great stuff. Long time angels fan here.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      A couple years from now, if they've turned it around, I'll def look back and evaluate how things changed.

    • @tagchristopher
      @tagchristopher 2 года назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball it all started when Lacob bought the Angels 😊🫡

    • @ra3975
      @ra3975 2 года назад

      I don't see the angels even begin to rebuild until they trade Trout and Ohtani. Yes Arte screwed them so bad they need to trade the best 2 players of our generation to start to be competitive again. I'm crying inside.

  • @georgetsoutis4204
    @georgetsoutis4204 2 года назад +2

    As an SF Giants fan this was the best 23 minute video I’ve seen in while. Thank You Arte Moreno 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @solitude7566
      @solitude7566 2 года назад

      LoL hey why don't you go pick on Dodger fans or something. That's right you can't 😁

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Man you guys have won 3x since 2002 and you’re still hating on the angels? That’s diabolical, I’m here for it

    • @osamabeenhadhoes5187
      @osamabeenhadhoes5187 2 года назад

      giants fans pela

  • @AngelRodriguezFritoLay
    @AngelRodriguezFritoLay Год назад +5

    Wasted the two greatest players of this generation

  • @volt734
    @volt734 2 года назад +4

    I don't watch Baseball but I watch a decent amount of baseball content on RUclips and this was great, some of the editing reminded me of Jon Bois and chart party which was cool. Really hope you take off, you have the quality of video deserving of it

  • @winstonkostrzewa1585
    @winstonkostrzewa1585 2 года назад +1

    Dope video. Glad folks look into baseball stuff like this. Keep ‘em coming

  • @mkl5448
    @mkl5448 2 года назад +3

    If there was any better example of how little the fans mean in this whole project, this would be it. The owners use the fans to line their pockets, doesn't matter what the sport, that is professional sports in a nutshell. And that is the exact reason I don't watch, buy merchandise, or any tickets.

  • @MrRen610
    @MrRen610 2 года назад +1

    I have been waiting for a video just like this one for awhile and you hit it out of the park!

  • @raimarulightning
    @raimarulightning 2 года назад +6

    This is why, if you love something, you should never, ever sell it to a businessman.
    They ruin everything

  • @peterbristol5604
    @peterbristol5604 2 года назад +1

    Your breaking my heart, sincerely a die hard Oakland athletics fan

  • @foxtrot64
    @foxtrot64 Год назад +3

    As a lifelong Angels fan, I can honestly say that Arte Moreno is the worst thing to ever happen to the Angels.

  • @brianchu3317
    @brianchu3317 2 года назад +2

    As a baseball fan I’ve always been perplexed by the Angels subpar performances even with the best players on the planet. Something just didn’t jive with the team… chemistry or whatever you want to call it. The bad free agent signings contributed greatly to this mess, of course, and your video really nailed it. I think the next owner needs to tear the team down and rebuild from scratch even it it means trading away Trout and Ohtani for baskets of prospects as the current team makeup just won’t hack it. They should pull a San Diego or Baltimore. I really think the core loyal fans will stick with this approach.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      The more I’ve thought about it, the more I think trout and Ohtani are just too good to trade. They should be able to contend, and a good front office with 100% support from their owner could make that a reality. They make an insane amount of revenue, sign some more big names but also invest in the pitching staff and lineup depth and minor league development. They not only need to build a complete 26 man roster, but also a complete 40 man roster.

    • @brianchu3317
      @brianchu3317 2 года назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball Ohtani is a great player and what he’s done these past two years is amazing. But I hear rumblings that he wants to move on to a contending team. Also, people forget that the team that has him must implement a 6 man pitching rotation. I don’t know if this is what a rebuilding team wants to be tied down to. It’s one thing if the team can develop its own talent but something else if they want to sign elite free agent pitchers like the Verlanders and DeGroms. These pitchers are competitive and want to pitch as often as possible and are used to the standard 5 man rotation. It would be hard to convince these pitchers to pitch every 6 days.

    • @CampVogel
      @CampVogel 2 года назад +1

      @@brianchu3317 You can implement a 6 man rotation without using it the same way as the standard 5. If the Angels get two great pitchers like DeGrom and Verlander (or Ohtani is traded to a contending team with a couple of guys similar to them), they can still pitch every 5th day.
      Mark those two as #1 & #2 with Ohtani as #3, begin with the normal rotation of 5 and then you just need to use a 6th guy as a spot starter to give that extra day to Ohtani before his 2nd start. It would create a few anomalies, like the #5 having 8 days between his first two starts, but he's just your #5 anyway. Off-days in the schedule can make it easier to skip the much weaker #4-6, and the only time #1-2 would need to wait the same 6 days as Ohtani is if the team has 21 games without an off day.

    • @brianchu3317
      @brianchu3317 2 года назад

      @@CampVogel Ok, you should map this out onto the Angel’s 2023 schedule (which has come out) and see how it’ll work. You can do the scenario with Ohtani as a number 2. Assume Angels signed DeGrom as the number 1. Remember pitchers are very sensitive to their routines. Giving someone an extra day off doesn’t necessarily result in good performance. You can keep going and try Ohtani as a number 3. The other two “spot” starters better be flexible! It’s hard to implement.

  • @sweetheartholly99
    @sweetheartholly99 2 года назад +4

    My heart hurts, but every word of this video is true.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +3

      I really do feel for angels fans, hoping for a brighter future

  • @Yeldineyintun
    @Yeldineyintun Год назад +2

    Wonderful video

  • @risboturbide9396
    @risboturbide9396 2 года назад +5

    Even Joe Maddon wasn't able to bring some life to this team. Amazing. And sad.

  • @JawaPenguin16
    @JawaPenguin16 2 года назад +2

    Im a new fan to this sport and this video helped me understand the Angels situation. What a MESS!

  • @dosaa6062
    @dosaa6062 2 года назад +3

    awesome video! thank you for exposing this menace

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      I’m glad I could let at least a few people know what an awful guy he is

  • @cpta03
    @cpta03 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video. The math was interesting but gave me a headache. I’m not an Angels fan , but I have been puzzled by their free agent signings. You’ve answered a lot of my questions. Unfortunately, baseball is a business and many businesses spend more money on marketing than product development.

  • @LoveLawWill
    @LoveLawWill 2 года назад +3

    The thing about Arte is that this is exactly what the business plan was. Spend money to make money, spend money on the brand and the image, then sell the franchise for 10 times what you bought it for. This is the blueprint for team ownership. How does it always happen? We keep blindly supporting these nut job billionaires because of our loyalty to the brand, uh, I mean, team. How many comments say "As a life-long Angels/Cardinals/whichever team fan..."?
    I asked a drug dealer once when he was gonna stop selling drugs. The answer: when people stop buying them.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +3

      It’s so tough to tell sports fans to stop supporting their teams. It’s an inherently emotional industry, and people like Arte take advantage of that.

  • @b.a2102
    @b.a2102 2 года назад +1

    First video I’ve seen of yours but incredibly well done!

  • @tbird8166
    @tbird8166 Год назад +3

    As a giants fan I noticed in your graph that in terms of ratio of money spent to burnt, the giants are pretty bad in this era yet I notice a lot of it comes around the start of their WS wins. Are they contracts that were good in the short term but they paid for after 2014 or was it a bunch of poor pieces we didn’t really use.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +2

      Zito single handedly skewed their numbers a bunch but I’d have to go back and check the data to see which other bad deals they signed

    • @tbird8166
      @tbird8166 Год назад +2

      @@AndThatsBaseballyeah I’m looking at it and it’s almost entirely Zito with second place Cueto not even being half. I’m just even more impressed with that dynasty after looking at these numbers since whatever we bought we overpaid for. The championships were pretty much entirely homegrown.

  • @Sacksalot
    @Sacksalot 2 года назад +1

    Only 3.7K subs? I’m here for the ride as of today. This is quality content

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Dawg I was at 1.3 when this video dropped I’m loving this 😂

    • @Sacksalot
      @Sacksalot 2 года назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball Much deserved! Keep the videos coming! This content is right up my alley, along with any baseball fan who likes taking a look behind the curtain

  • @matt.mapati116
    @matt.mapati116 2 года назад +6

    Love the vid man, you and Urinating tree cover all the Angels problems are spot on. Trout and Ohtani deserve better.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      Tree’s vid is so good and it definitely inspired this one. It’s just crazy how much more has happened in the year since his vid came out

    • @matt.mapati116
      @matt.mapati116 2 года назад +1

      @@AndThatsBaseball for real

  • @sonicflash5090
    @sonicflash5090 2 года назад +1

    Dang what a bad break (no pun intended) for Kendry I remember that walk off injury. Crazy how much time he missed

  • @JoshMeadows
    @JoshMeadows 2 года назад +3

    you’re just gonna blow up one day man I thought you had 100 K plus subs when I saw a video a few weeks ago you’re on the way man don’t give up

  • @thunderstruck560
    @thunderstruck560 2 года назад +2

    I always love finding new baseballtubers. This is great work and I'm excited to see more!

  • @UncommonSense83
    @UncommonSense83 2 года назад +3

    Only thing missing from this was the curse of Nick Adenhart

  • @joshs_stocks
    @joshs_stocks 2 года назад +1

    I did my Senior Honors Thesis on this topic a year and a half ago, pretty fascinating

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      I’m sure your paper is great, but that’s from before the FBI got involved, so it’s not even peak absurdity of this team lmaooo

  • @j3r1659
    @j3r1659 2 года назад +3

    Great video. As a long time A's fan (except for this year lol) I've always bashed the Angels. They never have good pitching or value it, they have too much talent to be that bad.
    Now I know why. Great video

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed!

    • @solitude7566
      @solitude7566 2 года назад +1

      You are right. Starting pitching has been a huge problem the last number of years (not as much this year). The entire fanbase knows it and wants something done about and then Moreno will do something idiotic like overpaying Rendon or Upton. This has been going on for the past 10 years.

  • @aaronware8880
    @aaronware8880 Год назад +2

    More and more I am starting to completely respect the old GM Bill Stoneman. He never made crazy moves. It didn't matter what player it was

  • @coachs8635
    @coachs8635 2 года назад +7

    As someone who worked in this organization I’m very excited for everyone to see how poorly the high ups have been running this team.

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +3

      I didn’t even talk about how poorly they treat their minor leaguers, I can only imagine how they treated their non-player employees.

    • @coachs8635
      @coachs8635 2 года назад +3

      @@AndThatsBaseball historically one of the smallest front offices in American sports. A lot of over worked people with high turn over

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Classic. Why would they spend on their front office? Nobody buys a front office jersey.

    • @coachs8635
      @coachs8635 2 года назад +2

      @@AndThatsBaseball that’s why the marketing never changes they don’t hire good people

    • @coachs8635
      @coachs8635 2 года назад +3

      I’d also like to mention that the angels likely along with all teams has been lying about their attendance records for over a decade

  • @forzendikar9908
    @forzendikar9908 Год назад +1

    Returning fan to the game, great video. I learned a lot!

  • @justinmarzan5080
    @justinmarzan5080 2 года назад +9

    As an angels fan for all my life and growing up in the vladdy era this has always been an arte issue. Dipoto, Eppler, minisian, in a sense have never really been true GM’s. And now look at dipoto and eppler contending for a WC spot and one contending for a division title while we become memes of the baseball world. It hit the final straw for me when dipoto was able to sign Robbie ray, who yes hasn’t been CY young Robbie ray from last season but is better than everyone else not named Ohtani. And eppler singing mad max a top 5 starter in the game, yes I get it he’s up there in his late 30’s but still throwing as good as when he was in his late 20’s. Tell me how minisian wasn’t able to sign them while our former GM’s did 🤔

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +2

      I doubt perry was allowed to spend on a long term contract for one of those guys. I don’t think he’s a great gm, but he’s also in an awful position to succeed right now.

  • @cub6533
    @cub6533 2 года назад +1

    I’m liking and subbing just based on the fact that there’s not 30 seconds of adds every few minutes

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  2 года назад +1

      Thanks, but to be fair, I’d add a sponsor if I could lol