2021 Axis 500 grinding noise on deceleration. (One way bearing???)
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Well here is another HiSun, Axis, Massismo, Bennche, ect... Clutch issues. THis unit only has about 225 miles on it & is driven with care by an older couple. Just goes to show that no matter who drives one of these are how easy you are on one that still just break due to cheap metals & everything else that is built in china.
If you have any questions about motorcyles, atvs, utvs, leave a comment are you can find me on FB at Limitless Powersports service & repair are you can email me at limitlesspowersports78@gmail.com
Biggest problem to me is the lack of service dealers. Dealers who sale and work on these products. You did a great job and seem knowledgeable. You maybe be the only one in the country. Most guys I know won’t let these in their shop.
Yeah I do agree with you. I'm not a fan of working in them but it keeps my shop busy & I also enjoy making videos on them for everyone. Massimo just contacted me the other day asking if I would be a service & warranty center for them. So I told them sure since it will give me access to all the models they sell & it will make great content for everyone.. Then I can really pass specific information on to everyone.
Same machine, same year, same problem. Cleaned the weights, put it back together, no change. Replaced the one bearing, problem solved. Great video, good quality, good audio, clear explanation. Don't apologize for the length, if ya don't got an hour to learn how to do something, ya probably shouldn't be doin it.
love how you keep showing the old stuff - keep it going. we can FF if we need to. Love your vids man!
Great video I had the exact same sound I only went to the weights.Cleaned them off lightly greased them put it back together no more Noise.
Thank you
Glad to hear my video helped you out.
So glad you made this video! So helpful and while it was long it was so nice that nothing was edited out so we can follow along
Yeah I hate making super long videos but like you said a lot of my subscribers want every single detail. So I try to keep everything I can in the video. It's definitely helpful for those who are looking for a tutorial.
That's odd, mine makes that same sound, I've completely rebuilt the engine including the one way and I decided after riding it over a week camping trip that I would service everything on it and greased all the rollers and it started doing that, hmmm thanks for the heads up on the updated clutch I haven't seen them like that yet. Glad to see someone giving info out on the Chinese sxs when I first got my Massimo of course it developed problems, I got a service manual for it and boy it was very vague on everything so it's plan b , which is tear into it and figure it out for yourself, and yeah I love the wiring from the machine to the book it was like watching the pirate movie with Captain Jack where they say the pirate code is more like guidelines 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've been having the same problems with my BMS 600 and have been suspecting the one way clutch. Thanks for the video.
Which BMS model do you have and what were your findings on the one way bearing? Loncin engine?
Great video! Wasn’t expecting to hear my name mentioned in there lol.
So on that one way bearing. If you go to Motorcycle Doctors website he has the Tech tip section for the 500/700 Hisun’s. In there they had a bulletin talking about how the one way bearing spring gets stretched or something and the fix is to cut a few coils off and shorted the spring.
Not something I would mess with I’d rather just replace the bearing.
I gave up on the Chinese built one way bearings. Tried 3 different brands including one that was supposedly heavy duty heat treated etc etc they are all junk in my mind.
They either fail right from the get go and make a big CLUNK when you shut the engine off or on decel they make that noise or clunk.
I said to heck with it and bought a factory Yamaha OEM Rhino 660 bearing and it works great zero noises.
The old bearings were leaving chatter marks on the drum surface so I had to replace the drum all 3 times with the faulty bearings.
One thing to add is, I would highly suggest putting slug kits in the wet clutch every time you have one off it’s one of the best upgrades you can do to a Yamaha Rhino or these 500 and 700’s. It lowers the RPM slightly on takeoff and just puts more weight at the end of the shoes for more holding power against the drum so less slipage and you really notice it when you climb steep hills it’s night and day difference oil stays cleaner longer.
Just adds to the longevity of the wet clutch.
I also take it a step further, and put the shims in between the primary clutch to drop the belt for more low end gearing.
I have to give credit where it's due. Lol. You I saw the update on Motorcycle Dr. Website & I don't want to mess with the spring either lol. I do have a video on the slugs aslo. Everyone I have recommended that to has absolutely loved the results from adding them. I also have seen those chatter marks on the wet clutch. I will be doing the rino 660 oneway bear for now on myself when I service these units. I definitely appreciate the feed back & hope your comment will help others out.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 awesome ya I’m as cheap as anyone is with trying to save a buck on aftermarket Amazon/ebay parts but that one way bearing isn’t one area I’ll skimp any more.
So far my amazon (Vevor) wet clutch and drum are holding up but more long term testing is needed. I think the big thing is to soak the wet clutch for at least 8-12 hrs before install.
Where would you find the slug kits and the shims? Just on ebay or Amazon?
I have only found them on ebay. I don't know of anyone that carries them in stock.
Thanks for your time and experience my 2021 Hisun sector 750 same sound ( 50 hrs) 250 miles, i replace the one way bearing and new band . The wet clutch and tambor in very good condition , the problem solve. Thanks again for you time .
That's great to hear.
Watching u helped me find a bad coil plug on my odes 2018 800 thanks
You are great. I can't thank you enough for posting this stuff. I'm a TOTAL novice when it comes to mechanical stuff. I'm wanting (needing) to change the fuel filter on this unit. I know this is a total dumb question but I'm still going to ask. Is it as simple as disconnecting the clamps on both sides or do I need to do the stuff you would do on cars like pull the fuse and let it stall out to empty the lines / pressure? I'm not finding any videos for Axis 500 fuel filter replacement.
You just loosen the clamps & take the fuel filter out. You might leak just a little bit of gas but there isn't any pressure behind it with the key off.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 Thank you!
I appreciate you making these videos and being very thorough on your explanations and details. I do have 1 question. I'd like to add weight to the clutch to make it engage sooner. I own a Massimo 500 2018 model. What weights would you suggest adding and do you have a company you prefer getting accessories like that through?
I would add sluggs to the wet clutch. That will held with faster & better engagement. It will also help with slipping. I don't have a specific company are size of weights to use. That is more of a buy some, install them. Take it for a drive & see how you like it. Then go up are down in weight if your looking for a little quicker are slower engagement
Awsome job i have a hisun 2021 colman 550 made same noise tore apart cleand all clutches greased lightly new belt good to go i put mine up on jacks then ran it in geer it was that noise but not as bad thanks agan.
My Massimo 700 does the same thing, but not every time I run it. I am new to the sxs world so I appreciate the videos on "how to ". I am considering slugging the wet clutch and using Dr Pulley sliders instead of the round weights. Do you have an opinion on the Dr.Pulley sliders ?? Thanks for all the videos !!
Thanks for keeping the video real,
Great video!! Let me 1st say I am not a mechanic but I do like to tinker on things and learn. So, with that being said, I have a couple questions. When you first took the cover off you put a 10mm bolt in the secondary clutch.....what is the purpose of that (again, I am clueless...lol). I'm assuming it holds something in place. Next question, you didn't show actually replacing the one way bearing, so is that fairly simple or is there another video I can watch to see you do that? Thanks again for helping amateurs like me out. We gotta learn somewhere...lol.
The 6Mx1.00 bolt with the 10mm head was to spread the secondary clutch apart to give the belt slack so I could take it off.
When it comes to the oneway bearing I should have multiple videos on how to replace it & the steps. I have a video that is just about the clutches also.
The first thing I did was to remove the weggie bar. Started feeling I was getting goosed when I attempted to enter the vehicle.
Yeah that goosed me pretty good 😆 🤣 😂
You are the man 🎉
Great video. I know now where to look. Mine makes the same noise.
Ok, I have a Massimo 700. Doesn't wanna shift when it's running. Shut it of shifts no problem. I can sometimes get it to shift running by moving shifter beck and forth real fast then it will release. I'm thinking could clutches be dirty and not releasing.
Yeah it definitely sounds like a clutch issue it could be a wet clutch issue you need to check on also. But it's definitely a clutch issue you need to watch a few of my videos and I talked about how to check your clutches clean your clutches what to look for why they won't shift and when you replace stuff how it should operate properly
I've had to replace that same bearing on several machines.
However, by the time that got to me, the other parts were damaged, and the machines would rev high before any movement.
Just a design flaw or bad quality parts.
I would say a little bit of both. If they would use the same design that is in the V twin 800 & 1000cc would of been better but that would include a separate transmission. With them trying to keep everything in side one case I guess this is the best theu could come up with. But if theu would just make high quality parts I think that would definitely help. A lot of the yamaha 660 parts do interchange but I also would say sometimes the failure is from operator error & neglect on services.
I appreciate the video I have an Axis 500 year 2022 with 85 hours. It is making this same noise. It started right after I brought it home. Can you give me a part number for the one way bearing and can you get it from Amazon. Thanks Tim
Hey Tim, here is a link to the oneway bearing on Amazon. But before you order I would pull it apart first & make sure that the spot the oneway bearing sits on the wet clutch is still smooth & that the wet clutch drum is smooth where the bearing touches. That way if you need the whole set you can order it all at once. Here is the link for the oneay bearing amzn.to/4aWwJ1V
Here is a link for the whole wet clutch kit. amzn.to/3vFSSBx
Hey Cyle , I replaced the one way bearing and greased the weights. That fixed the noise. The other problem was starting then going dead. After a lot of trial and error. It was the TPS Sensor.@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394
Yeah that's a dry clutch problem, you can over grease them and they'll make the same sound , and when the grease warms up it will quit , mine was quiet and I took the clutch apart and greased it , and yeah I put prolly too much in , and it makes that same sound till the grease warms up then is quiet until it cools off..... And yeah where is the screws, and cover for that clutch or did you just not show them or were they missing? Just curious
The updated version of the clutch doesn't have the screws & outter ring on it anymore. The grinding noise was the oneway bearing failing.
To add to my comment, I'm thinking the weights might be the issue because once mine gets good and warmed up it stops making the chattering noise, anyway I know what to do now and thanks again!
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I don't have any dealerships near me. The closest one is North Carolina and I'm just trying to figure out the part number for the C. B t built that's it
Thanks for sharing! Great video
Have a quick question.. I'm trying to take the outside clutch cover to check the belt and wet clutch but two of the bolts will not back out They just spin forward and spend back but will not come out have you ran across this problem before
It's a huge problem with the CVT cover & the fan cover on the other side. It's the metal nut inserts that are spinning in the plastic. You're going to have to break them loose
Mine has 13 miles and makes a "grinding sound" when in High at approx. 20-30 MPH or whining sound on the passenger side. Shift bar was way out of adjustment and when I would attempt to put the vehicle Low it would kick back into High. I think I have the shifting problem.
You need to adjust the shift linkage in the neutral position. Then make sure it shifts smoothly into all gears & then make sure the lights on the dash light up according to the gear your in. That's a very common problem.
I have an access 500. I'm trying to figure out what the part number is for the CBT built if you would know what the part number is on Amazon.
A cvt doesn't give engine braking at idle or off cause the belt hangs loose on the primaty clutch when assembled corectly so second one is to provide decelloration drag?
Correct when your at idle. But when you let off the gas the primary clutch doesn't just magically open all the way back up & the secondary clutch doesn't just close back up. It's takes time for the clutches to slow down & the centrifugal force to be let back off the clutches. Once you get back down to a certain rpm range then the belt will hang loose. All of that can also change when you change the weights, springs & helix on the clutches. Also if you have slugs in your wet clutch ect..
Awesome !!! I've been waiting on this one, mine does the exact same thing, and thanks for the videos on these things, you'd think as many of these things are out there there would be more videos
Ours from Lowes has made that same exact noise since new. We just drive it.
I would definitely be careful driving it with that same noise. If the one-way bearing comes apart the particles can go inside of your motor and cause a catastrophic motor failure
Also if you do replace a one-way bearing get the bearing for a Yamaha 660 Rhino it's way better.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 Been driving it like that since day one for 3 years. No big deal.
Hey I have one of those side by sides, and I have and issue it starts just good, but it has no power I can’t go faster than 8 miles/h and have no idea where to start, any help?
Do you have the seatbelt plugged in?
i have a hisun axis 600 and something broke in trans have you seen any issues in the trans i pulled both clutches and turn the back wheels and feel trans shaft skip
Are you sure it's a 600? I haven't seen a 600. Only a 500 & 700 but besides that are you sure it's the transmission & not the rear diff? I know they have had some issue with the middle drive gear breaking. It's could be the middle drive comp are the side wimble gear. What does it do when you put it in gear & try to drive it? Does it do the same thing in all gears ate just a certain gear?
Where is the grease for the rollers and cover with all the screws to hold it on.
There was an update to the primary clutches for some modles where they no longer grease are use the outer plate. This was due to some if the weights getting hung up & the slider plate getting jammed up too.
I have an 2020 axis 500 and it won’t start it cranks but nothing I watched your video about the solenoid could be the issue but I did swapped it but nothing any help sir
Did you make sure you have spark & fuel? So do you hear your fuel pump kick on? Also check cam timing & vavle clearances.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394make sure you got compression
What would happen if you put one way bearing in backwards
The clutch would constantly be engaged & you wouldn't be able to shift it onto gear & it could case major failure if you do get it into gear & case the oneway bearing to break & get debris into the motor
Which video was it? Having same issues
Not sure what you're referring to. Did I comment on your FB post & refer you to my RUclips channel?
How can I make my 2015 Hison quieter
When you say make it quieter do you mean the engine noise or how loud the motor is out of the exhaust? I've seen people add another Muffler to the end of the exhaust before. And also if you're just talking about how loud the sound of the engine is when it runs in between you and the passenger you can take acoustic heat sound barrier and start lining the inside of the housing
Thanks!
Thank you for my First super thanks. I really appreciate it.
What a Pos to work on. I will never take one ibto my shop
Lol I can totally agree. You definitely get what you pay for but it makes great content for my channel & really helps to get information out to other owners that are having issues. Also there is no other shop around for 100s of miles that will touch on.
Primary clutch cant make that sound.
so it’s 500
Don't buy one they're trash