Does Toyota Have A Solution For The Tundra Engine Failures?
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- Does Toyota Have A Solution For The Tundra Engine Failures?
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The best solution for Tundra engine failures is don't buy a Tundra.
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Hope Ford is listening
I'm sure Toyota will fix this, but the length of time it's taken has shaken my confidence a bit.
@@0HOON0 That may require an entirely different process to tighten down the tolerances at the motor plant. More and more oems are cutting back on the tolerances as it reduces costs considerably. That is you have your optimum spec for a motor and deviations from that spec. The wider the deviation the cheaper it costs to build and the more oil it will burn lol. IMO, Toyota will build this motor to last past the warranty or around 125K miles. It won't be overbuilt like the 5.7 or 4.6 V8's that could go 300K-million miles. You want that you have to buy the older truck. Possibly the newer turbos that are assembled in Japan might have tighter specs. But the garbage made in Baja or San Antonio not so much. Don't hold your breath on that.
That is not an issue on my salary.
He's unfortunately wrong, he was wrong in saying it's fixed and wrong about years affected. Not to be rude to him but, did you see how disorganized this teardown was and how contaminated some parts will be where he has them laying around? This guy and the way he's doing it is one reason why they have multiple failures. I watched it yesterday. He also said something that made me sad for the guy that owns this Tundra. He said he was going to reuse all of the parts other than the short block, as if the parts are all unaffected. If you know ANYTHING about how engines work, when bearings fail, metal is everywhere. Anywhere that oil circulates there will be metal and damage.....every part that had oil (cam lobes/turbos/VVT solenoids etc.)....all should be replaced IMO.
Yep I dont believe there is a fix yet and thats ok. But Im so disgusted with how toyota is handling it! It should be a new crate motor installed. No tech (I dont care if its the best tech in the world) can make this engine back to what it was before the failure. Like you mentioned other parts are effected, metal shavings everywhere, and this is not being done in s sterile environment. Toyota really needs to step up. Plus the cost of a crate motor has to be cheaper than the bock and 25-35 hours of labor.
@@Jason-Samko Yeah my guess is we'll never know the reason why they are failing, they'll likely refresh some part or some design of the engine, whatever is causing it, and they won't make an announcement about it. Toyota spends gobs of money pretending like problems don't exist then quietly updating them over time.
@TheCarGuyOnline that is very true. I guess I'm just deing nieve hoping toyota would better than this with how much money they are charging and making. I guess it's too much to ask for ethics in the industy today.
Can’t agree more!
@@Jason-Samko probably due to shortage of parts. Crate engine may be cheaper than the labor, but if they have zero to spare, replacing bare minimum of parts is the only thing they can do (without affecting production too badly).
I agree they should be doing a full swap, but at the same time when the newly swapped engine has the same design issue, what does it matter in the end? Toyota needs to step up.
Yep, swap them out for the reliable 5.7 V8.
That would be amazing
The 5.7 V8 with the 10speed auto is what they should of went with
@@oliverramclam6009 agree
If only. Why couldn't this enormous development budget have been spent on improving the 5.7 instead.
They'll swap it for the turbo 4
He’s wrong, there are documented blown 2024 engines AS WELL AS 2 Lexus LX600 blown engines
Thays what my research was showing too. I was just hopeful that with him being a toyota tech, he had insider info we dont.
I was reading about all the symptoms…sounds a lot like tolerance issues.
@@jeremyguillory8304 I hope they get it sorted fast and get back on track.
@@Jason-Samko definitely! I’m about to get a new GX in a week!
@@Jason-Samko I’ll throw my guess as to what’s going on….when Toyota changed the front main bearing enclosure, they didn’t update the tolerance on the bearing. The new enclosure likely has different deflection characteristics so needs a different tolerance on the bearing manufacturering. If the tolerance hits just right on the housing and the bearing…you win a new engine. For those that are close, they just win a new engine later in life. Toyota has likely already identified the issue but it’s not fixable except by updating the bearing tolerance (pass/fail inspection). For the ones out in the wild…fix what breaks. I’ll be rolling the dice on a new GX and getting the extended warranty. If you hit 100k miles…the engine will likely never see an issue.
There's a video about a 24 with a failed engine at 7k miles. That aluminum girdle with cast iron caps is the problem due to the difference in thermal expansion between iron and aluminum.
Thank you for the update.
No one can blame that one on 10k mile oil changes.
The main crank bearing cradle needs to be redesigned
definitely a problem with something burning the bearings.
I am glad that i bought a 2021 Tundra. Like the 2022 Tundra, the recommended service interval for the 2021 Tundra is 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or every 12 months. Regardless of the service interval, I change the oil in my Tundra every six-months or 5,000 miles. Frequent oil changes are cheap and will prevent many of the problems faced by the generation three Tundra.
Agree 100% change it every 5k is the best way to ensure longevity
Enjoyed the news today. Learn something every time I watch.
Yeah it hasn’t been fixed. The 23’s and 24’s are having the same problem as they creep past that 30k mile mark. It’s a design flaw in the bearing caps. It takes about 30k miles for the thing to shred its crank bearings.
I sure hope toyota steps up and stands behind this. right now toyota is failing its customers with half azz fixes.
I knew these new smaller turbo motors were going to be junk but everyone has to have the newest thing out. Now they have buyers remorse.
Yup for the price increase you could customize a nice 21 tundra
I do not have buyers remorse. Ill take 0.9% of chances on a 22 tundra than buying somebody elses junk 😅
This has been tried before with similar problems....time for the new generation to discover that.
emissions rules. low tension/ friction rings cause oiling. The new ladder brace that replaced individual crankshaft bearing caps was not engineered and tested properly.
I hope toyota gets it sorted quick
Another great, informative video!!
And a scary and concerning issue for Toyota!
I test drove a ‘23 tundra before I settled on buying my Ram1500…. I am one of the few people that actually likes the looks of this new Tundra! However, the fit and finish wasn’t great (especially concerning as it was brand new) and a whole new redesign had me worried as well. Glad I opted out.
Lastly, I just did a quick Car Guru’s search and found (20) 2022 used Tundras for sale within 50 miles! All with around 30k miles! Those will collect some serious dust!
Plus I found another (25) used 2023s on Gurus as well! Them ain’t gonna move too fast either!
Yep agree the toyora quality is gone (not even talking about the motor issues). And this motor failure is going to rattle the whole brand for a bit. Biggest problem is toyotas lack of warranty handling with this. Nobody want to have a new truck with 7k miles and have to motor ripped apart and half azz put back together ad a ticking time bomb. Toyota should do a crate motor and extended warranty for all of these. Thats what gm did with the cracked blocks on the 2.7
Anyone who changes oil at 10K deserves what they get.
This. Turbos overheat oil so you need to change it more frequently than regular engines
I do not think the 10k oil change is the issue. My buddy changes the oil every 20 to 25k and he totaled his Toyata at 420,000 miles due to an accident. He uses Mobil 1 and no issues with his engine. I personally change the oil on my Tundra every 5k, but I did the oil change on my Odyssey every 7.5k. On my Suburban and my Prius I changed the oil every 10k. All of my cars did not burn oil or had any issues with the engines. I sold them at 120 - 125k miles and two of the cars are still driven since my friends bought them from me.
I dont think most people know that 10k oil changes is bad. Toyota recommends 10k and so do the dealers. Im not sure many people are aware of this and that they should be changing oil every 5k. The 10k oil change issue I feel falls on the manufactures and dealers for promoting it. And I also believe that even a used out of warranty vehicle that fails at 120k miles do to problems caused by 10k oil changes should be the responsibility of the manufacture for recommending this nonsense.
Completely unfair. The average person trusts Toyota to set the OCI correctly.
The government does not want the vehicles to last 10 years. They want gas cars gone for the "environment ".
“You ask for it! You got it! BendoverToyota”
"I love what you did to me! My truck is F!@#$d!"
I bought a used 2020 Platinum 4x4 Tundra,with 20,870 miles,February 16, 2023. 40k . I hadn't planned to buy another truck for several years, but no more 5.7s changed my mind. Higher trim than I wanted, but........
Well done. And now you have a reliable truck for decades
It’s called the 5.7 V8
V6 Tundra? Are you stranded? Need a tow? Let me know, I got a V8 SR5 TSS Offroad.
That was helpful, thank you. I have a '24 Tundra but only have 1200 miles on it. I usually don't let these internet things bother me but I really like the truck. I hope Toyota sees all these and does the right thing and makes an announcement of a fix!
Glad you enjoyed the video and sorry you have to feel this way about your new truck. I sure hope toyota gets behind it's customers and does the right think or nhtsa or other organization steps in and makes them do the right thing. Problems are OK and expected today. The solution is what makes or breaks a company. I would not even be talking about this because of the few failures. I. Talking about it to shed light on what toyota is doing with the half azz repairs. Hoping enough pressure will make toyota do the right thing. Again sorry you are worried about all this.
Same here buddy. This stuff is making me nervous.
@@rmb5858dont worry about it dude... chances are.. youll be fine
You’re not alone!
@@Jason-Samko Got me a nervous wreck, I'm gonna change the oil every 3 to 5000, I dont really use it for work or towing, I changed the oil already @ 1350 miles about 60.00 keeping my fingers crossed.
Gas turbo engines have never been known for reliability or longevity. In-line diesels they are great.
Agree
So far non blow up in Canada yet, but this winter when it was -40c out my TRD PRO 2022 have a oil leak onto the skid plate, so I take it to the dealer and they said the oil bypass the oil filter and they have 2 other at the dealer the same time. As a mechanic that should not happen, it should go back in the oil pan. I think the filter oring shink and so far no leak after they change my oil. I also heard that the engine leak oil at the back of one head.
Thats some cold temps! I agree you should not have to deal with any issues on a new truck. But hopefully yours was like you said just a broke oring and now fixed.
Yet these companies have the nerve to charge tens of thousands of dollars for their junk, they're basically charging the consumer the price for a new motor and transmission on top of what the cost of these vehicles should be to cover their asses!
Toyota had so much to say about this engine before it was released and now that is an epic fail they are silent as a rock. And it's pretty sad that you have to get an attorney to fight for your warranty when it didn't even make it to the first oil change.
Very well said and very solid points.
I have an IMPORTANT CONFESSION to make. I first doubted that was exagerated, that only a few cases existed here an there.
I WAS WRONG.
Here's what made me changed my mind on this. I have a 2000 Tundra SR5, with 350k kilometers (around 218k miles). I brought my truck to the dealer for servicing (minor stuff - this truck is REALLY reliable). I saw in the background inside the garage a late model Tundra with the Cab removed. I talked with my technical advisor and I asked her if it was a 2022 or 2023 with the v6 twin turbo with the main bearing issue. She said yes, spot on. And she brought me in the garage showing me the truck completely apart, pieces all over the place. And I had a talk with the mechanics. They showed me the main bearing, it was completly gone. Most of these trucks have low milage. What I've been told is that owners are really pissed, as a lot of these truck are company trucks and are left without replacement vehicule. Also they told me is as Toyota stopped production of this engine until they "figured" that out, they also stopped sending the parts to fix the trucks. But in the mean time, since no parts are coming, the trucks, with and an "S" at the end, were and still piling up at the dealership waiting for parts to come to get this thing "fixed". The mechanics told me that there are more cases than we might think and they really doubts this is some debris caused by a manufacturing problem in all the manufactures at the same time.
Bottom line I apologize sincerely for having doubted you all.
Apology 100% accepted. Apology was not needed. As we all felt that way in the beginning until it started to become a reality more and more. Sure wish toyota would take care of these tundra owners that are left out to dry right now. And what upsets me more is other channels that downplay this and defend toyota on it. This is a bad situation. Why wouldn't toyota atleast give tundra owners rentals in the meantime. Wouldn't help fleet trucks mich but would help the average joe.
Toyota is now Kia.
Kia has better customer service. When this happened to the Theta II they replaced the engines completely.
This engine has been in service (lexus) and has been reliable. The problem has come from the latest refresh and is affecting the main rod bearings. The failures started in the re-designed Tundra and is now showing up in the Sequoia and Lexus models that are using the same refreshed version of this engine. With the new GX550 sharing this power train… will the problem persist?? Our 22 Tundra failed witching the first year. Toyota did buy the vehicle back and we purchased a 24 model. I hope they have a fix in place soon. They did tell us that the problem is a top priority for Toyotas engineer teams that work on the Tundra. I also agree that they should be swapping crate motors not replacing short blocks. After out short block replacement, the engine failed again within two weeks. That’s when we asked for re-purchase. Surely a crate motor replacement would be cheaper than the 30k+ cost of a short block replacement??? Idk.. we love this truck so I hope Toyota gets a permanent fix quickly. It’s unlike Toyota to allow a problem like this to continue
Greatly appreciate this comment and so sorry you had to go thru this experience. I hope that 2024 last you many years and many miles. Thank you again for sharing this information.
“People in RUclips comments know way more than we do.” 😳😆😂🤣🤪
There are some brilliant people in the comment sections of my videos that really know what they are talking about. I rely on them to correct me when I'm wrong, help me when I need it and answer other people's questions when I'm not available or miss it.
I'm a contract engineer, not working on this issue but I've seen it and looked into it, largely because I'm considering a new Tundra. Toyota thinks they have the issue figured out and are working through it, but that and "fixed" are two completely different things. New engines do fail, typically 1 out of every 3-4k engines are expected to fail within their first 10k miles, just the nature of manufacturing. '22's were failing at a rate of under 1 in 1000, '23's are close to industry average but still elevated. Toyota had to play a lot of catch up with these new engines, problems Ford and GM worked through 10-15 years ago they are just now seeing. Automotive technology is changing at a pace we haven't seen since the 1960's, and Toyota's strategy of reliability through extended product cycles doesn't work in that environment.
Absolutely fantastic comment and great info. Appreciate this.
If you are an engineer....did you learn physics? These "new" engines are not capable period. Not for the long haul. Not for towing. Nothing. Except expensive turbo repair bills.
No replacement for displacement.
My dealership in Ocala, which normally has very few new trucks, has dozens of brand new Tundras sitting around. This says there is an obvious problem!!
I sure hope toyota comes to its senses pretty quick
“Coulda had a V8”
😂 like the commercial
Its so hard to find the truth, because people comments are 50% false, so, it's dangerous to believe all this
It's not hard to figure out where Toyota stands on this engine failure issue. It's been in production for about 5 years total and 3 years in the Tundra and all years have failures. Hope does not make problems go away, engineering could if Toyota acknowledges the issue and chooses to fix it. So far they have not!
@@wayneanderson991 I just hope people research before buying. I'd be pissed if I shelled out $80k and it blows up before it first oil change. These guys all bought with confidence in the brand and Toyota is going to try to screw them.
Here is all you need to know: there is a problem and Toyota is telling you what the cause is.....who is lying?
Not sure about this 76 failed engine number, my dealership has done 7 of these engines by itself and their are 1,277 dealerships in the USA, one of these failures was a 24 model.
Oh my goshhh 7!? Man i hope one of the salesmen at my dealership tries to get me to trade my 2020 5.7 in LOL . Like dude ….you’d have to give me the new tundra …pay me a lot for my 5.7 AND toss in 5 year extended warranty no charge .
That's crazy. But even more reason toyota needs to get on this and make it right
@@Jason-Samko the 76 number is just the documented numbers from the owners that uses the tundraforums that self- reported it.. not the actual numbers of failures from the continent.
@lespaulguitarist92 true. But also only confirmed facts I have to go on.
I almost leased a loaded Tundra trd pro at 9 percent, so happy i went with my 23 limited cummins ❤
Love the ram Cummins. Best truck I ever owned.
I have a 23 tundra. Change the oil frequently. Mine has used a quart every 1200 miles. Could this be the issue? 10000 mile oil changes not good. I change my oil between 3000 to 4000 miles.
Ditch before people figure it out.
Not sure if this issue will burn oil that fast. But I would definely get it in the dealer asap if buring that much oil. That would be 8 quarts low if you went the recommended 10k miles. Thats not good.
Got a 2016 4Runner doesn't burn any
Trade it for a Titan as soon as possible
76 out of over 600,000 units sold have a problem. GM would be proud of that ratio
Gm had a cracked engine block recall for 12 2.7 motors. They not only did a recall on it at that low of a number they also gave customers a new crate motor and an extended warranty. Toyota should go to gm's school of customer service.
@@Jason-Samko are u seriously implying that GM and Fords engine problems are on the same level as Toyotas? Look up the class action lawsuit on the "lifter issue" on all newer GM V8s.....look at the sheer number and tell me with a straight face that Toyota even comes close...Also this is a brand new engine...GM 6.2 and 5.3 has been around since 2011. You kind of act like Tundra problems are just as bad as the domestics.
@@Jason-Samko tell me you have an axe to grind without telling me you have an axe to grind.
@@EasyMoneySG you should maybe watch a few of my videos before you make any assumptions about me and if I have any bias. Heck, just got to my channel and look at the titles of my videos.
Obviously, Toyota is doing a big cover up. They're not discussing the solution because they don't have it yet.
I'm protected from this issue, because the thing is so ugly I could never drop money on it.😊
You sir earned a sub
Thank you. Glad ypu enjoyed the video
It's not 76 Tundras that have failed, it's 76 REPORTED to ONE Tundra Forum. Only a tiny percentage of 3rd Gen Tundra owners are on the forum. We're probably looking at closer to thousands of engine failures across the TTV6 engine family.
I'm betting it's a design flaw or they would've had it fixed, but as they have done in the past, Toyota will deny, deny, deny there's a problem, hoping these engines make it past the warranty period. $35,000 to fix out of warranty.
Good point
toyota tundra forum has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 76 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice. Definitely something happening at 2022 model.
Also majority close to fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models.
Also detuned SR variant had three cases
There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Now for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner
In these high performance turbo-engines I would change the oil every 5000km not 5000mi (so just over 3000mi)
Highlighted your comment on the other video in this video. Great information. Thank you
WOW THANK GOD.. i was about to get one last month.. but my wife would NOT LET ME.. thank you wify😅😅😅..
TACOMA HERE I COME
It's worth waiting a bit to see how they pan out just to be safe.
Imagine how many there will be at 100k miles!
I doubt if many of them make it to 100k
I have a 2022 new short block not good to deal with
Sucks you have to go thru all this. It should not be this way.
Easy solution. Install the 5.7 with an 8 or 10 speed transmission.
In a prefect world we could have that
Nissan Frontier- made in Tennessee 3.8L NA V6 engine with ZF 9-speed auto rules
Frontier is a great truck
What oil viscosity are they using?
0W-20. Perhaps that's part of the issue?
@@rmb5858 OE's are running too thin of oil for me. Toyota in particular.
@@robertjackson7590 I agree but would running a 5W or 10W-30 rather than the 0W-20 hurt?
@@rmb5858 As long as you don't need the lower temperature protection the 10W-30 would be better. More stable temp, film strength, viscosity and better cooling capabilities plus it will absorb temp spikes like the blowby in the ring pack and recover far better.
It gives a larger margin for error should an engine have a little more boost than the rest. Engines that are in the same family you'll find some are lemons and some are indestructable. Whether all the clearances are on the loose side or the tight side or a perfect combination of both I don't know, but the engineers a trying there best to run the thinnest oil created and that will find the weak point.
I would suggest some destructive testing and run a thinner oil, up the load, boost and oil temperature until I found the first weak point fail. That would tell us a lot.
I was told my 2010 MDX was going to be an oil burner with stuck rings. I never trusted the petroleum base oil and 10W-20 thin oil. I've used a Group IV Synthetic 10W-30 and I'm at 290K miles with no oil consumption problem. It absorbs the temp spike at the ring pack and survives as mentiones above. HIH
New engine with a better lubrication process to the front end of the engine is the only fix. watch The death of a legend.
As a diehard Toyota guy since my 2009 Tacoma and 2 tundras I can’t believe I’m about to say this.
I’d buy a 3.5 400hp/500ft lb 3.5 ecoboost right now instead , if I was in the market for a TTV6. Heck from what I’m hearing the reg 3.5 eco is faster than even the 437/583 hybrid tundra, much less the powerboost . That’s crazy .
Crazy times in the truck world right now
I knew I should have bought that new tundra. The 5.7 last over a million miles just a gas guzzler
Yep kinda wishing I bought one just to hold and flip it in 5 years. Would of made a killing 😂
My opinion...the fix is 3UR FE 5.7. That may cure 99% of all Tundra problems.
It won't pass the upcoming emissions standards without a redesign/rework. That's why it's not offered.
@@LoneWolfSparty Having destroyed engines is more efficient than one that emits a bit more. All these green whackos we have like here in Canada...they cry about the environment and then set forests on fire.
@@LoneWolfSparty Apparently replacing an engine way before it should is more efficient. Very convoluted
@@mikefoehr235 the thing is, it's not every engine that's getting a short block (despite what RUclips would tell you). Regardless, they want to find out what the issue is. And people forget that the 5.7 had similar issues and had some that got short block replacements when it first was released as well.
I’ll just keep my 2021 v6 Tacoma Sport
Smart choice and a solid truck that will last decades
They’re probably not gonna tell anybody ever. What they’re gonna do is quietly do a customer relations service campaign to handle these on a case-by-case basis unless the NHTSA forces them to do a recall
And that doesn't instill much confidence in the thousands that own these vehicles. Ford is the same way. Half ass warranty repairs and stranded customers.
Thank you for this video. As a 2023 Tundra owner, I am nervous. It's easy to get hyped up about stuff and get overly concerned about things but this is disconcerting. It's just plain sad. I sold a 2013 5.7 Tundra with 155K on it to finance my 2023 Tundra. I drove a 1989 Toyota Tercel to hell and back and a 2000 Tacoma (3.4 V6) to hell and back (twice) with nary an issue. Historically, my loyalty to Toyota was like a deer hunter's loyalty to his Model '94 30-30. I think those days are over. It's sad to say that I can say the same for Honda. These 2 manufacturers are legion for their reliability for the past 3 generations and sadly, I think their glory days have come to an end. They are becoming like Crysler K cars.
Well said. Toyora just issued a recall for your 23. They don't know the remedy yet but will have by July and notify you. Hopefully the info they release soon will help ease the concern
@@Jason-Samko Thanks. Mine came out of TX in the second 1/2 of 2023 so maybe, I will not be affected. I got the recent recall about the issue in the transmission failing to fully disengage when shifting into neutral from drive. These recalls really tick me off. They call you up and tell you that "we'll do it free of charge" and all that stuff, just bring it in. The dealership is 45 minutes away and it takes me 3 hours (round trip) to go up there. Hey Toyota! Who's compensating me for MY time? How 'bout reimbursing me 3 hours of lost wages and $25.00 for the gas I burned to bring a truck back to you that should have been right in the first place?
@yz8096 yep recalls are very annoying to deal with. Imagine if you had a ford. They average 1 recall a month for the last 3 years
Yeah, trust me the checks in the mail!
Yep I don't believe they have a fix yet. But even of they did I bet they are gonna go about fixing this problem the wrong way. The solution is simple. Find the problem, engineer a fix. Then offer free crate engine replacement to anyone that needs it.
It's sad. I have owned many Toyotas. They were all excellent. I bought an 01 Tundra new never had a problem.
Yeo sad times in the auto industry right now. Nothing made like it used to be
PUT THE ROCK SOLID V8 BACK IN THEM!!!
I have a 2024 date on door is september 2023 changed oil at 900 miles and just changed again at 2600 hope I got any debis out I tow with it also Now the waiting game
Good job on the oil changes. Get any of that debris that's in there out. And statistically you should have nothing to worry about
I must ask aren’t this the same engines that are being used in the sequoias? So how are they only breaking on tundras more than on sequoias?I have 20,000 miles on my sequoia with zero issues.
It is the same motor. And hopefully we don't see the problems. But a sequoia is not used the same way a truck is in many situations. Towing, hauling off roading etc. Time will tell though. And hopefully toyota gets this sorted. But we are seeing failures in the lexus vehicles with this motor as well.
Could it be that some of these people are really, REALLY, driving these engines hard?
I off-road my sequoia quite often. At least once per month. Mud, hills, dirt. Shoot I even drive it through winter braking ice 🧊. But I guess only time will tell.
@@rmb5858 recently I saw a clip of a RUclipsr where his just died on the highway and he wasn’t driving it crazy. It was lifted with huge tires. I don’t know I just find it odd, but still is a small amount that’s breaking so hopefully 🤞 the rest will be just fine.
It's the Toyota Corp. the largest automobile maker in the entire world, if I was the one to decide the solution for this little turbo V6 it would be trash it. Reconfigure all factory implements and put the very best V8 engine the industry has ever seen the 3UR-FE back and then Toyota would again dominate the truck world as never before!
Yes they are and I agree. However our gov mandated v8s go away for more fuel efficient small turbos. Sad times
Main bearing failure on 3.5TT is so painful to watch, reliability nightmare. No reliability means no Toyota
I sure hope toyota tells us the problem and the fix soon. So that people that own these vehicles can get a little closure and info.
Toyota is totally ruining their reputation with these turbo engines in the Tundra/Sequoia and Lexus SUVs.
Sure is a bummer the reliability and longevity is not there anymore. Hopefully these motors end up getting tweaked and work good for them
EXACTLY why TINyota should’ve never replaced the V6 with a four cylinder turbo that will be under extreme stress with long term use and eventually hand grenade 😳
Time will tell and you could very well be right
I think you meant the V8 to V6.. we are talking about the tundra here.
@@lespaulguitarist92 No, I was referring to the Tacoma V6 to 4 cylinder swap over but comparing the tundra debacle to what Toyota is doing with the new Tacoma platform
I'm in the market to buy a 23 or 24 Tundra and I'm having second thoughts, concerning the engine. Does anybody have an opinion?
Are u stupid.. u would be dumb to buy it… after what u just listened too
I have a 24 with 5k on it and so far, so good. Now, I drive my truck very conservatively. I am praying to God that I don't experience the issues described in these videos.
@@rmb5858 I'm on the fence now and I hate it. I've been shopping a 23 or 24 Tundra and have always been a big Toyota fan.
All we can do is give you information. What you do with that info is up to you. I personally will not buy another toyota anytime soon. And 6 months ago I had 4 new toyotas in the drive way. Now only one a 23 4 runner.
would not buy it right now... in a few years when they address this issue, maybe. If you have to buy now, try another brand.
They should’ve left the design of that engine the same as they have in Lexus LS which has been out for six years with the TT 3.4 and no issues like this
Wrong. The problems started with the LS 😂
@@beexiong2995 nope…. But i’ll give you a chance to prove it to me. The only change in six years it’s been done to the LS engine was in the second year 2019 when they redesigned the pistons to reduce piston noise when cold start up.
@@jonathanratliff4780 they have documented engine failures for the LS going back to when it was Introduced. Those who know were not happy that the tundra got that motor now.
If I'm not mistaken, the tundra engine is assembled in the U.S. unlike the lexus engine, which is built in Japan. That could be a difference for the failure rates between the lexus and the toyota
This is a huge problem. Even putting in a crate engine you have to disassemble the front, lift the cab up and out of the way, unplug a million harnesses, then lift the motor out. You have a hundred different guys doing this around the country with variations in how they do it thus variations in the quality of the job done. Then, when it's done, you have a Tundra that forever has a blemish on its record which affects resale value. When Toyota says they have a "fix," I believe they're referring to their manufacturing process. Motors being built now are getting a thorough washing to eliminate the shavings from the block and other components, but this doesn't affect the engines already built and in vehicles. Installing a freshly built crate motor is the best thing that can be done at this point. Short block replacement is better than nothing but falls short of a proper fix IMHO.
Agree 100%
Toyota does not sell crate engines for any of their vehicles according to a tech I talked to . Only sell short blocks. Ford and Chevy do sell crate engines. One guy said the cost to rebuild one of these engines with a short block is close to $29,000 installed, labor is half of the cost. You can get a Ford or Chevy crate engine installed for half that price.
Come on Toyota, step up to the plate and do the right thing. Toyota should extend the warranty on all the new new Tundra’s engines to at least 150,000 miles to make the consumer confident in their product.
Agree 100%. Gm has 12 cracked blocks from bad casting in the 2023 2.7 and immediately issued a statement that any 2.7 that goes down gets a new crate motor and extended warranty. Toyota is bottom of the barrel when it comes to customer service. 100% unacceptable. And the fact that toyora customers don't have a way to scream it from the roof tops is the reason I made these videos. I hope these videos and the videos other channels make slap some sense into toyota and their "hide it and bury it" mentally.
The semi-permanent fix for the Tundra quality issue is the Nissan Titan or Frontier pro4x
Both great trucks
i’m a toyota HQ employee in plano and i’m staying away from turbos on trucks and SUVs.
Seems Toyota Japan is also skipping them
Why? Turbos have been around decades ..
@@itsallminor6133 They're great for performance cars and diesel towing rigs. Daily drivers that need to last 250k with mediocre maintenance, not so much.
Many, if not all of new design engines in the last couple of years incorporate a "variable" flow oil pump.
I didn't know that. Thank you
It’s fixed until the warranty runs out
😂😂
They don’t want to put a replacement engine back because those have the same failure or bad design. Which means definitely means that Toyota didn’t fix the issue. And it is crazy that the mass production is still going on. These trucks with this failed engine are still pushed into the market. They cannot stop this. It’s crazy. They have so many smart engineers, and even though they cannot change or stop the production. Probably because they got a lot of those bad parts in stock.
The only parts Toyota has ever stocked that I’ve ever heard of is a back up on semi conductors their production system is fabled for just in time they don’t stock anything
@@jonathanratliff4780 I would not agree. Because I have a 2024 Toyota 4Runner that is built with stock components that come from huge warehouse stocks. For So many years this vehicle has been built.
Or another example, I have a 2008 Toyota RAV4 and I still can get original factory components directly from Toyota like original factory headlights, not Taiwanese or aftermarket, but original, and many many other things that they are not discontinued. They exist in huge stocks, stored by Toyota.
But on the new vehicles, I think Toyota or their subcontractors rivet those parts every day, all day long.
I don't think 10K oil change intervals have anything to do with this Toyota bearing issue. It's looks to be either the cradle not clamping the crank evenly or lubrication to the front main and front crank area is insufficient. Toyota needs to come clean on the issue.
Agree toyora needs to spill the beans as to why and what the fix is
If its only on the first main bearing , i would think its an oil starvation issue, not a bearing issue. All these manufacturers using thin oil trying to get mpg out of less resistance, also less resistance in oil rings on the pistons etc...i think is the problem. Audi 2L tsfi suffers from this to the point of burning oil. This is all from to EPA standards which cant be met.
Very well could be right
It’s so bad had to buy GM….blows up around 90k.
If Toyota knew what was wrong, they would explain it and how they fixed it.
Maybe they should require 5000 mile oil changes with a synthetic oil?
I don't know.
My next vehicle will probably have the Camry hybrid drive train in an SUV or the Crown.
No turbos. No GDI without port injection. No sleazy mechanical CVT. No drive belts. You get a high volume proven drive train with efficiency tuned Atkinson cycle engine.
Love that you know exactly what you want. Wish all manufacturers would require 5k oil changes. But they won't as it would cost them so much in free oil changes for new cars
Toyota knows what the cause of the failures are at this point I'm quite sure. They will never admit to a engineering design issue though. I have worked for a very large global company before and the business model is to get the product out the door , get paid for said product and worry about correcting the ( known ) problems later as they arise. It's all about the dollars and cents. He who has the money has the power! Large scale global companies have a failure or spoilage percentage that they are comfortable dealing with in regards to monetary expenditures. The 3.4L V6 failure rate falls well within Toyota's acceptable range base on the totality of their business. Large corporations move very slowly with fixes to problems that are not significant to the overall bottom line.
Great breakdown I respect you my friend you are intelligent and “in the know” unlike a lot of commenters who thinks life is so simple lol
There's a new Toyota CEO at the helm too....I;m a bit worried about this company's future direction if this is any indication.
Agree 100%
I test drove one this weekend and even I could tell as a non mechanic that it is not a quality vehicle. Nice looking I guess cuz it’s new but not for me
its sad times for toyota right now. But again its self inflicted. they could make this right if they wanted to. but dont want to part with the money.
I hate the new look of tundras, the 2021 looks the best to me
@@tedbell4416yeah bro they are so nice when new, but reality would set quickly. I find it boring to look at, guess I'm just bias toward the look of my gladiator. i test drove out of curiosity, glad i did. that thing smelled like something was burning at times, and it was not the parking brake
@@Jason-Samko buddy of mine bought one like three months ago, 2x4, who buys a 2x4 lol
Why do people say "cuz". ?
Cost of the short block VS the long block BIG difference in price, Its Cheaper for Toyota to go with a short block and pay a Tech to do it Believe it or not. What would they do with the blown unit after the swap, Toyota doesn't want it the factory doesn't want it plus there's good working parts all over the motor. I hate that for the Tecs they loose money on the warranty stuff.
I have a vested interest I own a 2023 Limited Tundra 🙏
Personally I'm not worried about what toyota does with the blown one or what it cost them to do. A crate engine is the right and only thing in my opinion. If it was my truck and anything less I'd fight with lemon laws, attorneys and scream it from the roof tops on how shafted I got from toyota. Unacceptable way for them to handle a blown motor on a new truck.
@@Jason-Samko I 100% agree i have one in my Driveway I’m just hoping for the best. Just pointing out the facts how companies work no matter who they are. I’ve been a Toyota fan boy for well over 30years.
@goldgulfcoastdesignericsho8628 it is for you and people in the same situation that I chose to make this second video on this. I'm really hoping enough of this content from me and other content creators gets ou there that toyota changes and chooses to take better care of its customers. I'm very disgusted at toyota about this. I don't own a tundra. But 6 months a go I owned 4 new toyotas. Down to just 1 23 4 runner now. Loved toyota. But very disgusted with them and what they are doing ro their customers.
What happens once warranty is up they are ticking timebombs
Toyota should be replacing with a new crate motor and offering an extended warranty to each that this happens to. Anything less is criminal and I hope nhtsa goes after them for it
Great job thanks for the video. Hope you’re well. You buy a brand new truck and look at what they did to it to try to fix it. I wouldn’t want that truck. I used to deal with a lot of Toyotas nonsense because your stuff was reliable. It’s no longer reliable and it’s over price crap as far as I’m concerned, the new stuff
The new 4 turbo has the same bottom end design. Just saying
Wonder how the 4 turbo will do in the real world. But regardless toyota really needs to step up and fix these trucks right.
I thought it was just the electric tailgate stopping working. The electric parking brake stopping working. And the dash knobs breaking off. You mean its the motor stopping working too? 😂
Sad times for toyora owners right now. And toyota is just kicking them while they are down
Wasn’t there a health drink commercial whose slogan was: “I should have had a V8…”? 🤔
😂😂 yep. That commercial ran for like 20 years too
The fact that Toyota is only offering a short block is wild. Way too much to go on for installer error.
Agree 100% and what I'm so pissed about
That's what they're always offered. Toyota doesn't have long blocks available for warranty -- they never have. And if you're organized and clean, you shouldn't have a problem with reassembly. Note: if you DO need extra parts to be replaced, you can get them (if not backordered), but you've got to use the internal Toyota warranty app to provide pictures.
Edit: it should be noted that this engine has had a couple of issues from the get go; engine blocks not being completely cleaned after the machining process from the US engine plant, which in turn leaves metal shavings in oil passages. The electronic wastegates were an issue due to bad parts from a parts supplier (this was rectified). It's my understanding that the fix that the tech was referring to was something that was currently undergoing testing at the engineering center in Michigan. They've got engines from Japan and the US.
@LoneWolfSparty that's unacceptable from toyota. Doesn't matter what they think is OK policy. If I had a bran new truck with 7k miles and the motor blew. I'd be getting a new crate motor or they would buy the truck back or I'd do everything in my power to sue and make sure the whole world knew about how I was taken advantage of. Disgusting.
@@LoneWolfSpartythat doesn’t make it right (that they’ve always done this). Dealer techs HATE warranty work due to their perception that pay isn’t as good and will cut every corner possible. This is a lose lose for the customer stuck in the middle.
@@Jason-Samko because of how the Toyota production system works, they don't have extra long blocks available. If they sent one to dealerships, that's one less vehicle that they'd be able to build, since they do not keep excess inventory around.
No crate engines. Busy stuffing them in new trucks to get them on lots to cause more misery but more sales.
Probably thicker oil and 5k mi change interval, everything Toyota isn’t going to do. They’re just going to extend warranty 10 years down the line after most cars are beyond the said warranty. Subaru did this. Shame.
Interesting thought. That would make me want to sell it asap personally
@@Jason-Samko I wanted to sell my Subaru, but new ones were just too expensive. And at least I have a known problem versus a fresh set of unknowns, like CVT issues.
Toyota is doing the kind of fix that Hyundai would do.
Unexceptable. Should be a crate motor. This is bad customer service
Crate motors aren't available due to Toyota unable to resolve engine failure issue...
This is a red flag and I’d wait a few years and see how things go with Tundra and Tacoma Turbo motors before buying any new truck.
Agree. My vest luck with trucks has always been a few years into the new vehicles cycle
For the life of me I don’t understand why Toyota didn’t hybridize the 5.7 and add a 10 speed. They could have easily added 3 mpg and their hybrid systems are the most reliable in the industry. It could have easily been a 430hp 450lb of torque bulletproof setup.
Took the thoughts right outta my head !. Could’ve used a little aluminum here and there and shaved 200-300 lbs and do exactly what you said and that would’ve been a knock out the ballpark
Seems like every manufacturer is having quality issues.
very much so. Sign of the times and bad suppliers, bad workers, bad quality control.
Lexus has had these engines since 2018 I believe and are now, seemingly starting to have issues. Sounds like it's a 3rd party source issue.
And I have a bridge for sale.
I love Toyota, yet they raised so many red flags with this latest generation, that I won’t give them the time or opportunity to use my money as their QC. Don’t get me started on the dealers.
@kevinjordan6242 idk what you're trying to say. This engine isn't a new platform and is not just in the tundra. But now there is problems and the lions share of the problem is with the tundra, so I want to know I'd there's a supplier who deals with certain models. Dodge had similar issues with the old 5.9 Cummins depending upon what factory they came from. Does Toyota and Lexus use one factory? My guess is probably not.
Very well could be different suppliers or even just a new supplier. Or even the supplier had a new supplier. I hope they get it sorted quick but my biggest problem is with how toyora is handling the warranty part on brand new trucks. It's horrible.
Smh I own a 2023 tundra I’m getting paranoid 🤦🏾♂️
Remeber that it's only like .04% of them that have issues. And this video is not about the motor issue as much as how toyota is handling them. But odds are very high you won't have a problem
The Tacomas aren't doing that great either. There's a lot of transmissions problems. And among other issues with them as well
Anybody remember the Mercedes compressor? Mercedes diesel disaster. I’m sure they have all found their way to junk yards by now. The Mercedes compressor engine almost sunk Mercedes.
There won’t be many short block shortages after this news gets spread around. They’ll have plenty sitting around the factory parking lot
😂😂just have the dealer rip one out of a stock truck that's been on the lot 200 days
Toyota can keep their trucks and I'll keep my sanity.
The solution is v8!
Easy fix, Bring back the V-8! Problem solved.
It's pretty sad that you have to sue a auto manufacturer for them to honor their warranty
Agree 100%
Better get the extended warranty on the new Tundra. Funny use to buy Toyota because I didn’t need the extended warranty 😂
Even with the extended warranty if they just keep replacing the block every 15k miles it's gonna get tiring. Toyora needs to solve it, replace with a new fixed crate motor, then do an extended warranty. Anything less is criminal
Ford sells F150 5 times more than toyota tundras. The 3.5 ecoboost has a great reliability record too lol
But it didn't when it first came out. Both the 2.y and 3.5 ecoboost were a mess for 3 yeara
@@Jason-Samko I know just being sarcastic. They still have problems