Thanks for your update Samko, Every bit of information helps, gotta be patient. My local Toyota dealer has a row of unsold Tundra’s and Tacoma’s, Many people out there shopping new trucks are clueless about what’s going on.
@jeannegron1749 thank you. All of us are customers of an auto manufacture. All of us today are subject to the "shut up and take it" we deal with from all manufacturers. It's upsetting. And since I have a platform and a voice I choose to speak loudly on all of our behalf and give a place for others to be hear in the comments. Prices today are astronomical and monetary is tight and thr economy sucks. People are hurting and don't need to or are not able to deal with vehicles being down for 30 60 90 days.
Mine been sitting at the dealer for 2 weeks now with no update. Thanks for keeping up with the issue Toyota started to feel the heat since lots of their trucks are not selling
Worked 30 years in auto supplier plants. One thing to consider. Supplier plants are set up for bulk shipments to the next plant down the line normally using reusable containers. I seriously doubt if motors are shipped to the assembly plant 1 motor to a container. Somebody somewhere is making a lot of boxes suitable for shipping crate motors to dealers. That's just the first step.
The crate motors would be sent to a PDC or part’s distribution center and from there, shipped to individual dealers on an as needed basis. This process is part of the auto business and is often implemented. They would be packaged in either returnable or, in the case of most engines, in wooden or cardboard packaging.
I believe Toyota will have a proper fix,it’s their reputation on the line. This recall is a big deal to get it right,and have a proper fix. Toyota always seem to be tight lipped,right or wrong,but with this recall they better have it figured out,and don’t screw it up,this one is a huge deal! I’m assuming they are slow in giving out details because they want to make sure this time that the engine problem is without a doubt rectified. It would really suck to have a truck sitting in the lane way that you can’t use because of a defective engine,I would be pissed too!
If the short block part number changed in January, 2024 and the main bearing part number was superseded in April, 2024, wouldn’t that suggest that every Tundra V6 TT engine produced prior to 2024 could be defective?
Depending on how many trucks are affected it might be impossible to go the short block route to complete the work in a reasonable amount of time (think lemon law here). If a dealer has 8 trucks to repair your talking a few months minimum just to repair those. I personally would not be cool with a dealer tech taking apart the entire front end/engine with my truck parts laying all over the shop floor. I'm already hearing of trucks receiving allot of damage with this. Toyota's excuse saying "debris" in the motor is a hard sell for me. I'm thinking its a design issue that may have already been addressed. But the mighty Yota will do everything in their power to suppress that from coming out because it would show they failed in properly testing this engine. These new TNGA trucks are a step down from their legacy products IMO.
Thank you Jason! Glad you can relate to the pain of paying a very high price for a very unreliable, unpredictable or even dangerous truck. Hopefully the cost of a class action law suit, or the collective damage to their brand reputation, will allow Toyota to relate to our pain as well, and make it right.
@SP-du6ri so happy this is the news we are hearing. Glad toyota is stepping up and taking care of you guys. This engine swap is not a big deal or hard to do for the qualified techs. Should be good as gold after.
Recall is from 11/21 - 02/23. Recall notice issued in May, 2024. What changed in February, 2023 and what was Toyota doing between February, 2023 and May, 2024?
Toyota just updated their recall notice and advised that new engines will be installed in support of the recall. Although this is a GREAT plan, it is still a cluster. First, what about the early failures that received a short block? Do they get a new engine? Second, what about current failures that are waiting on parts? Do they get a new short block or a complete engine? Third, why is the recall limited to 22 & 23 when the part numbers for the short block changed in January, 2024 and the main bearing part number was superseded in April, 2024? Fourth: Why aren’t Hybrids included (I agree about motive power but it is the same engine. Right?). In my opinion, Toyota needs to come clean and provide details and specifics in order to have any hope of putting this behind them.
@jeffrice9299 just posted a video about this and mentioned some of this. Still alot of info to learn but atleast toyora is stepping up. First good toyota news I've been able to publish in a long time. I get just as many views from publishing good toyota news as I do publishing bad. And I'd much rather keep publishing good toyora news! Glad to finally see some!
That’s a good catch on your part to find the change in the document. It looks like they used the same date as the original document. Also, the bigger your channel gets, the more of those comments you will get. You seem to be doing a good job so expect more!
Thank you. Appreciate that. Yep this is my smaller second channel. Been doing my hunting channel for 10 years negative comments come with any youtube channel. Always have. It's the way people are these days. I didn't find thst change on the doc. I knew the letter from toyota was supposed to be mailed on the 15th so I've been all over the forums everyday waiting to see the letter . Thays where a forum member found and pointed out rhe change.
Toyota screwed me on my tranny cooler on my 20 SR5. Showed the tranny cooler on the window sticker as a component in the Tow Package. They actually REMOVED the tranny cooler in the ‘19-21 years, but left it on the window sticker on the ‘19-20 models. Now claim a puck designed to warm the atf at startup also serves as a tranny cooler. LMFAO. It cost me $2k to buy the kit and have the dealer install a real tranny cooler. Toyota has lost their way, and alienating their loyal customers. Need one more new car when wifey retires next year. Wanted a Highlander …they’ve gone to turbo as well. Honda Pilot, here I come!
It really is a shame how much bad publicity, exposure, action suits, and more that need to happen for Toyota and others to actually start moving in the direction of a legit fix. I remember when companies were customer first and wanted a fanbase. Now youre in a 70k truck paper weight waiting for Toyota to "keep looking" for a solution for you that doesn't cost them too much.
If you check Toyota press room for the orginal recall they updated it at 11AM CDT July 25th that they will replace the engines in the affected vehicles. "For all involved vehicles, Toyota and Lexus dealers will replace the engine with a new one at no cost to customers. Customers will be notified about this issue by late July 2024. "
@danielc3510 agree 100%. People are pissed! And understandably so! But sure would be nice to have a whole engine replaced that was assembled in the factory and ready to be installed rather that have your motor ripped apart completely and the reassembled in a uncontrolled environment of a dealer service center
Great question! And the biggest battle tundra owners face right now. The short block is just a bare bottom end of the engine. Means the whole motor had to be disassembled and then be put back together. A huge task in an un controlled environment. And of the ones this has been done to some are failing again shortly after. 1 poor guy had it blow up 3 times! A long block or crate motor is the whole engine assembly complete and ready to be dropped in and hooked up straight from the factory.
@@Jason-Samko Thanks for the explanation. Seems like the long block would be preferred by owners and Toyota technicians from the sounds of what you just said.
@StarInfinite00 agree 100. Even dealership management would prefer it. The last thing a dealership wants is half of its bays closed down buy gutted trucks for a month.
They won't replace all of them. They will all go in for inspection and if needed be replaced. But I'm betting it will be a relatively low number that need to be replaced. The hope is all get an extended warranty and any thst need replacing get a full crate motor.
Thanks for the video. Appreciate you. You do great work so these people are a joke. Toyota should get everybody loaner vehicle. Why they figure out what the hell they wanna do. They should just do the right thing and I don’t buy a new vehicle to have somebody tear my whole engine apart and rebuild it, that’s unacceptable
How about, major engine failures, should not happen on a brand new truck that costs 70 plus thousand dollars. Telling us these things do not happen overnight is complete and utter BS! Where was the quality control in the first place? DISCLAIMER, I do not even own a nee Tundra. Great work on behalf of the consumer, Sir!
I just sold my tundra for a GMC and man, that truck is amazing. Toyota, just like anything else it fell off and in a time where things are expensiv, people want reliability for what they're paying. Toyota was never the flashy or big feature company and it keps the cars affordable and basic. They dont have that anymore and their "dealers" are all pretty shady too. Its like a double edge sword at this point. Both customer service and its brand are just going down the gutter. The overflow everywhere else is forcing other brands to beat Toyota. My GMC with everything on it with MSRP was 67k with a lot more features than my tundra, oh and for them to compete they sold it to me for 51k fully loaded. Idk about you guys but other dealers are taking advantage and ive been a total fanboy cause of their reliability, but not anymore.
@user-yn4cn3el5q truck is gonna break when it wants to break. I thought toyota was the king or reliability but they took forever and let their consumer base suffer. I'm never going back to them solely because they handled it pretty bad and their service has gone with it as well. My tundra had broken parts in the first month.
@@mickeyyy007 it’s going to break because it’s designed to break outside of warranty. That’s what plan obsolescence is. Toyota doesn’t practice that. Let’s give Toyota a little bit of leniency since they really haven’t had any dials in the past 15 years except for this one meanwhile GM, Ford, Dodge. They’re always having stuff like this.
@wilyceyote agree. Everyone kept telling me "toyota doesn't do crate motors ". My attitude is I don't care what they used to do. Their trucks before we're not the crazy prices they are now and the tech was not advanced. Past is past on all counts. Today if one of these complex super expensive trucks has a motor go bad a crate motor is the o ly option.
Installing new long blocks that have newly designed and durable bottom ends is the ONLY solution that will satisfy existing and future V35 owners. However, I fear Toyota may cut corners and not replace all '22-23 long blocks, but instead will offer the 98% of owners who havn't experienced engine failure yet a 8 year / 150,000 mile warranty. What's horrible about that? Well a ton of those engines are going to experience crankshaft bearing failures at between 150,000 - 250,000 miles so their owners will have to pay $20,000+ out of pocket for a new engine or else junk their whole trucks. 150,000 - 250,000 miles is a poor life for a Toyota motor because normally well maintained Toyota engines will last 500,000-1,000,000 miles.
Seems everyone wants some honest information, but Toyota's being intentionally vague. What about all of the hybrids built during the same time? Seems Toyota hybrids weren't recalled, not b/c there weren't affected, but b/c the ev motor can move car off road if the engine seizes. Unless I read that wrong.
Toyota just recalled the lc300 (same engine as the tundra) Reason:A defect in the crankshaft alloy may lead to a loss of engine torque or a complete stop while driving, which increases the risk of an accident. Procedure:The local agent will notify owners of covered vehicles via Phone and mail to schedule an appointment to make the necessary repairs free of charge immediately Availability of spare parts
Thanks Jason. Great info.
Keep up the great work man. We appreciate it.
Thank you. Greatly appreciated
Thanks for your update Samko, Every bit of information helps, gotta be patient. My local Toyota dealer has a row of unsold Tundra’s and Tacoma’s, Many people out there shopping new trucks are clueless about what’s going on.
@@yardboy3955 welcome. And agree. My toyota dealer is the same. Lot is loaded
What you are doing is good and I support you. You have to bring the information to everyone so that Toyota can hear it.
@jeannegron1749 thank you. All of us are customers of an auto manufacture. All of us today are subject to the "shut up and take it" we deal with from all manufacturers. It's upsetting. And since I have a platform and a voice I choose to speak loudly on all of our behalf and give a place for others to be hear in the comments. Prices today are astronomical and monetary is tight and thr economy sucks. People are hurting and don't need to or are not able to deal with vehicles being down for 30 60 90 days.
Mine been sitting at the dealer for 2 weeks now with no update. Thanks for keeping up with the issue Toyota started to feel the heat since lots of their trucks are not selling
So sorry you have to deal with this
Worked 30 years in auto supplier plants. One thing to consider. Supplier plants are set up for bulk shipments to the next plant down the line normally using reusable containers. I seriously doubt if motors are shipped to the assembly plant 1 motor to a container. Somebody somewhere is making a lot of boxes suitable for shipping crate motors to dealers. That's just the first step.
@steven4315 I'm hoping the kick back on the resolution until end of the year is to figure out all of those logistics
The crate motors would be sent to a PDC or part’s distribution center and from there, shipped to individual dealers on an as needed basis. This process is part of the auto business and is often implemented. They would be packaged in either returnable or, in the case of most engines, in wooden or cardboard packaging.
@@Fireballsocal Agreed, that said this a large item and high volume. I'm guessing new crate motors are normally very low volume.
I believe Toyota will have a proper fix,it’s their reputation on the line. This recall is a big deal to get it right,and have a proper fix. Toyota always seem to be tight lipped,right or wrong,but with this recall they better have it figured out,and don’t screw it up,this one is a huge deal! I’m assuming they are slow in giving out details because they want to make sure this time that the engine problem is without a doubt rectified. It would really suck to have a truck sitting in the lane way that you can’t use because of a defective engine,I would be pissed too!
Agree on all points
Oh, don't worry 'bout teh haters. You're doing good work.
Thank you
If the short block part number changed in January, 2024 and the main bearing part number was superseded in April, 2024, wouldn’t that suggest that every Tundra V6 TT engine produced prior to 2024 could be defective?
In my mind yes.
Depending on how many trucks are affected it might be impossible to go the short block route to complete the work in a reasonable amount of time (think lemon law here). If a dealer has 8 trucks to repair your talking a few months minimum just to repair those. I personally would not be cool with a dealer tech taking apart the entire front end/engine with my truck parts laying all over the shop floor. I'm already hearing of trucks receiving allot of damage with this.
Toyota's excuse saying "debris" in the motor is a hard sell for me. I'm thinking its a design issue that may have already been addressed. But the mighty Yota will do everything in their power to suppress that from coming out because it would show they failed in properly testing this engine. These new TNGA trucks are a step down from their legacy products IMO.
Agree on every single point you made
Thank you Jason!
Glad you can relate to the pain of paying a very high price for a very unreliable, unpredictable or even dangerous truck.
Hopefully the cost of a class action law suit, or the collective damage to their brand reputation, will allow Toyota to relate to our pain as well, and make it right.
I own one, honestly it sucks but a brand new engine is also nice. If the rollout is good then ill have no issues. Love the truck overall
@SP-du6ri so happy this is the news we are hearing. Glad toyota is stepping up and taking care of you guys. This engine swap is not a big deal or hard to do for the qualified techs. Should be good as gold after.
Recall is from 11/21 - 02/23. Recall notice issued in May, 2024. What changed in February, 2023 and what was Toyota doing between February, 2023 and May, 2024?
@jeffrice9299 toyota knew about this since March 22. So I'm assuming they saw this coming
Toyota just updated their recall notice and advised that new engines will be installed in support of the recall. Although this is a GREAT plan, it is still a cluster. First, what about the early failures that received a short block? Do they get a new engine? Second, what about current failures that are waiting on parts? Do they get a new short block or a complete engine? Third, why is the recall limited to 22 & 23 when the part numbers for the short block changed in January, 2024 and the main bearing part number was superseded in April, 2024? Fourth: Why aren’t Hybrids included (I agree about motive power but it is the same engine. Right?). In my opinion, Toyota needs to come clean and provide details and specifics in order to have any hope of putting this behind them.
@jeffrice9299 just posted a video about this and mentioned some of this. Still alot of info to learn but atleast toyora is stepping up. First good toyota news I've been able to publish in a long time. I get just as many views from publishing good toyota news as I do publishing bad. And I'd much rather keep publishing good toyora news! Glad to finally see some!
Appreciate you brother!
@@bobbyb.1743 thanks
That’s a good catch on your part to find the change in the document. It looks like they used the same date as the original document. Also, the bigger your channel gets, the more of those comments you will get. You seem to be doing a good job so expect more!
Thank you. Appreciate that. Yep this is my smaller second channel. Been doing my hunting channel for 10 years negative comments come with any youtube channel. Always have. It's the way people are these days. I didn't find thst change on the doc. I knew the letter from toyota was supposed to be mailed on the 15th so I've been all over the forums everyday waiting to see the letter . Thays where a forum member found and pointed out rhe change.
@@Jason-Samko What is your hunting channel?
@@duggydo @SamkoTradBow
Toyota screwed me on my tranny cooler on my 20 SR5. Showed the tranny cooler on the window sticker as a component in the Tow Package. They actually REMOVED the tranny cooler in the ‘19-21 years, but left it on the window sticker on the ‘19-20 models. Now claim a puck designed to warm the atf at startup also serves as a tranny cooler. LMFAO. It cost me $2k to buy the kit and have the dealer install a real tranny cooler. Toyota has lost their way, and alienating their loyal customers. Need one more new car when wifey retires next year. Wanted a Highlander …they’ve gone to turbo as well. Honda Pilot, here I come!
Does the long block include new turbos?
@tomglpn good question and I don't know.
Those 2 turbos cost more than 5.7 V8.
@@zelenizub2036 crazy
It really is a shame how much bad publicity, exposure, action suits, and more that need to happen for Toyota and others to actually start moving in the direction of a legit fix. I remember when companies were customer first and wanted a fanbase. Now youre in a 70k truck paper weight waiting for Toyota to "keep looking" for a solution for you that doesn't cost them too much.
agree 100% Hoping toyota realizes this and is about to make some big changes and do the right thing here quicker
If you check Toyota press room for the orginal recall they updated it at 11AM CDT July 25th that they will replace the engines in the affected vehicles.
"For all involved vehicles, Toyota and Lexus dealers will replace the engine with a new one at no cost to customers.
Customers will be notified about this issue by late July 2024. "
Thanks. Just published a video about this an hour and a half ago
I’d be irritated to have the engine replaced in a new truck
@danielc3510 agree 100%. People are pissed! And understandably so! But sure would be nice to have a whole engine replaced that was assembled in the factory and ready to be installed rather that have your motor ripped apart completely and the reassembled in a uncontrolled environment of a dealer service center
Better a new engine than a tear down! Have you seen how it's torn out. It's a mess!
@@alphaomega750 It sure is.
Truth. The entire debacle is a hot garbage mess
Irritated? I would be irate
What's the difference between short and long blocks??? I'm assuming Toyota will replace the whole engine with a non-defected one from the factory?
Long blocks generally include cylinder heads, timing equipment, etc.
Great question! And the biggest battle tundra owners face right now. The short block is just a bare bottom end of the engine. Means the whole motor had to be disassembled and then be put back together. A huge task in an un controlled environment. And of the ones this has been done to some are failing again shortly after. 1 poor guy had it blow up 3 times!
A long block or crate motor is the whole engine assembly complete and ready to be dropped in and hooked up straight from the factory.
@@Jason-Samkowho says they won’t fail again. Did they fix the issue
@@Jason-Samko Thanks for the explanation. Seems like the long block would be preferred by owners and Toyota technicians from the sounds of what you just said.
@StarInfinite00 agree 100. Even dealership management would prefer it. The last thing a dealership wants is half of its bays closed down buy gutted trucks for a month.
From what I heard Toyota doesn’t do long blocks!!
I worked for Toyota for 6 years
Im Hoping with all these videos and the spot light we can change that.
Replacing that many engines will most likely limit new truck production.
They won't replace all of them. They will all go in for inspection and if needed be replaced. But I'm betting it will be a relatively low number that need to be replaced.
The hope is all get an extended warranty and any thst need replacing get a full crate motor.
Well said Jason
@@greywolfgarage5630 thank you
heard today at the dealer recall remedy comes out 7/26/24 . we shall see
@JayMak1963 I will be watching tonight at midnight and every hour after to see. When I can find it I will post it
Thanks for the video. Appreciate you. You do great work so these people are a joke. Toyota should get everybody loaner vehicle. Why they figure out what the hell they wanna do. They should just do the right thing and I don’t buy a new vehicle to have somebody tear my whole engine apart and rebuild it, that’s unacceptable
@@dominica2765 agree 100%
How about, major engine failures, should not happen on a brand new truck that costs 70 plus thousand dollars. Telling us these things do not happen overnight is complete and utter BS! Where was the quality control in the first place? DISCLAIMER, I do not even own a nee Tundra.
Great work on behalf of the consumer, Sir!
@@MTG9878 agree 100%
Just read they are replacing a 100k motors with crate engines, be nice
Correct. Just published a video on that about an hour ago. Glad toyota is stepping up
I just sold my tundra for a GMC and man, that truck is amazing. Toyota, just like anything else it fell off and in a time where things are expensiv, people want reliability for what they're paying. Toyota was never the flashy or big feature company and it keps the cars affordable and basic. They dont have that anymore and their "dealers" are all pretty shady too. Its like a double edge sword at this point. Both customer service and its brand are just going down the gutter. The overflow everywhere else is forcing other brands to beat Toyota. My GMC with everything on it with MSRP was 67k with a lot more features than my tundra, oh and for them to compete they sold it to me for 51k fully loaded. Idk about you guys but other dealers are taking advantage and ive been a total fanboy cause of their reliability, but not anymore.
Agree 100% And congrats on your amazing new truck!
Planned obsolescence lolol have fun
@user-yn4cn3el5q truck is gonna break when it wants to break. I thought toyota was the king or reliability but they took forever and let their consumer base suffer. I'm never going back to them solely because they handled it pretty bad and their service has gone with it as well. My tundra had broken parts in the first month.
@mickeyyy007 yep tpyora dropped the ball and fell short in many ways
@@mickeyyy007 it’s going to break because it’s designed to break outside of warranty. That’s what plan obsolescence is. Toyota doesn’t practice that. Let’s give Toyota a little bit of leniency since they really haven’t had any dials in the past 15 years except for this one meanwhile GM, Ford, Dodge. They’re always having stuff like this.
Toyota should’ve did that in the first place replace the whole engine that would’ve been cheaper in the long run
@wilyceyote agree. Everyone kept telling me "toyota doesn't do crate motors ". My attitude is I don't care what they used to do. Their trucks before we're not the crazy prices they are now and the tech was not advanced. Past is past on all counts. Today if one of these complex super expensive trucks has a motor go bad a crate motor is the o ly option.
Installing new long blocks that have newly designed and durable bottom ends is the ONLY solution that will satisfy existing and future V35 owners. However, I fear Toyota may cut corners and not replace all '22-23 long blocks, but instead will offer the 98% of owners who havn't experienced engine failure yet a 8 year / 150,000 mile warranty. What's horrible about that? Well a ton of those engines are going to experience crankshaft bearing failures at between 150,000 - 250,000 miles so their owners will have to pay $20,000+ out of pocket for a new engine or else junk their whole trucks. 150,000 - 250,000 miles is a poor life for a Toyota motor because normally well maintained Toyota engines will last 500,000-1,000,000 miles.
I think you are spot on with what toyota will do and offer.
Something suspicious about you not posting the link.
@@AndyALK sound like you didn't watch the video
Toyota needs to replace the whole engine in their tundra and give 100,000 mile warranty because it’s the bearings that are bad
agree. Thats what we are hoping will happen
Seems everyone wants some honest information, but Toyota's being intentionally vague. What about all of the hybrids built during the same time? Seems Toyota hybrids weren't recalled, not b/c there weren't affected, but b/c the ev motor can move car off road if the engine seizes. Unless I read that wrong.
@ryandoyle4344 you are spot on.
My Tundra is from April 2023...not in the timeline recalls.
Am I ok then?
Should be according to toyota. And hopefully if you ever do have an issue they will take care of it right for you
Toyota just recalled the lc300 (same engine as the tundra)
Reason:A defect in the crankshaft alloy may lead to a loss of engine torque or a complete stop while driving, which increases the risk of an accident.
Procedure:The local agent will notify owners of covered vehicles via Phone and mail to schedule an appointment to make the necessary repairs free of charge immediately Availability of spare parts
@al3zoof12 crazy. But I expected and expect more will be added. Hopefully toyota has the fix in the form of new crate motors ready to go soon.
I wouldnt buy a 6cyl turbo tundra or 4cyl turbo tacoma that is the actual problem with these new motors, turbo sucks for longevity
This tundra generation is tainted forever, even the engine.
Maybe. But as history has shown with all manufacturers the public forgets really fast
That is so true Jason. For me, it’s more important what happens after the mistake is identified. It is called Customer Satisfaction.
@@jeffrice9299 Agree 100% All trucks suck today. Its how the company takes care of us when the problems happen that really matters.
As I stated before I owned many Toyotas Toyota is a joke and they treat There customers like shit
Trucks are junk.
Agree. I rather drive Ford. No recalls for Ford