Refreshed 2026 Toyota Tundra Coming - Insight from Chief Engineer
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2024
- We recently got a chance to hang out with Toyota and chief engineer Sheldon Brown. Publisher Tim Esterdahl talks about what he learned and shares what you can expect from a refreshed 2026 Toyota Tundra.
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There's beauty in simplicity. I have a computer at home, don't need it in my truck. Engineer it for simple maintenance, and reliability
Amen they have almost destroyed the Tundra engines going out oil leaks transmission issues turbo issues I had a new 2023 ordered canceled it when i found a low milage 21 If something dont change by 26 ill go to a GMC
GMC are having more problems than Toyotas. If something doesn’t change I’ll be buying old trucks till they’re burned up and we see something reliable come about. At these prices, we should be able to get a Toyota with their legendary reliability. There is a single truck in the class id want to own outside the warranty period not less one id expect to not have major issues within that period
Agreed. Drop the truck prices and focus the vehicle and let us bring our phones/computers ourselves.
Beautifully put. 10 year old Tundra with 115k. 23 year old Land Cruiser with 330k. Relatively simple and still run like new.
I think most truck people would eat the thousand dollar penalty in order to get a V8 come on let’s be realistic here
Modern truck prices are already ridiculously high but they think an extra thousand makes it too expensive. Putting an underpowered engine in a truck that will be hauling cargo/tools, and pulling a trailer up steep hills makes it a useless truck. A truck isn't the same as an SUV. Since it will be expected to work harder, it needs a large displacement naturally aspirated V6 or V8 engine to do that work, be reliable, and fuel efficient.
@@aerynlovell4754underpowered? lol. Having had an old 5.7 not sure that something with more power and torque both in regular and hybrid form doesn’t really make it underpowered to me.
@@joshtavenner3073 it’s about reliability and ease of servicing also, the v6 has marginally better Hp numbers and barely better fuel economy, all at 20k-30k more than 2nd gen
@joshtavenner3073 I was talking about the potential new motor with a smaller displacement and probably a turbocharged 4-cylinder. If a truck engine doesn't have enough displacement and horsepower/torque to move the truck in a naturally aspirated form, then the engine is underpowered, or the displacement is too small. The small displacement turbocharged engines are fine for a car, but in a heavy truck that is used for towing, the engine will overheat. You could say that the hybrid will give it a boost of power, and that's true, but it doesn't help fuel economy. The hybrid powertrain option will prioritize improvements in electric efficiency over the fuel economy. There are three main ways to increase an engine's power and that is displacement, RPM, and boost. the best mid-sized trucks can get for fuel economy in 2024 is 24-26 MPG. However, in Australia, the Ranger with a 6-cylinder diesel engine gets 28 MPG on the highway. In Florida LHT Performance, put a naturally aspirated V8 from a Silverado into a 2020 Colorado, and it gets 28-30 MPG on the highway. Car manufacturers want low MPG numbers to sell more hybrids.
oh bro if they put in a v8 and make me pay a gas guzzler tax id be happy af to buy one
February 15, 2024. Bought a new 2024 Tundra SR5 TRD Pro Sport. March 15,2024. Check engine malfunction came on, break system malfunction, pre collision system malfunction,vehicle stability control system malfunction,secondary collision system malfunction, all came on. Truck kept doing a long, slow start. Took it to the dealer. They first said issue came from a fuel injector, they replaced it. Turns out it didn't work. Then, they said found a piace of shaving metal that was left inside the motor head during assembly at factory manufacturer. Truck has been at the delaer for almost 30 days. They said they need to replace the engine. This is outrageous.
Trade it immediately after warranty expires
Don't worry, Toyota will apply the Kaisin philosophy and all will be well.😊
Wow! And they said this manufacturing problem ended with 2023 models!
I’ve seen several videos on yt about engine failures or other issues with 2024 models.
Other news….just hit 221k in my 2008 5.7L sequoia that runs like new. Haha.
Good luck bro!!!
you just got a lemon dude. check your state lemon laws and get out
Every year new Tundra comes out my 2019 increases in value
2026 Tundra refresh: "With our new Tundra models, you will now get functional driver seats that won't crack, center consoles that dont sqeak and rattle, and window seals that actually work! With these new, innovative changes, we are raising the MSRP by $3k."
What a joke.
They have already raised $2-3k on different trims from 2023 to 2024 without any changes. Good job Toyota!
Watching all the updates and eating popcorn while maintaining my 2007 Taco (4.0 V-6), 2002 Sequoia (4.7 V-8), 2009 LX570 (5.7 V-8) and 2014 GX460 (4.6 V-8) all stilling running and reliable. :) Naturally Inspiring and no turbo chargers or electric engines.
@@Frankieg671Sure and those aging relics (ex. 2014 GX with more life to give) will last forever without increasing maintenance costs or parts availabilty issues, and reliability will remain stellar indefinitely. Maintaining and insuring 4 vehicles instead of 1 or 2 is never cheap unless of course you have kids driving 2 then old vehicles might be better choice. But you are also paying absurd amount on fuel with those gas guzzlers. It is deliberately ignored 20% fuel premium paid continuously 😂😂😂😂😂
And engines blowing. Lol
The center console, the lack of remote start, and the infotainment turned me off. The interior of the tundra is to plastic and none truck for me. It’s like they tried to completely rethink how truck people like there trucks.
I hope they refresh the main bearings.
Not everyone wants a turbo charged V6 or 4-cylinder displacement. Especially in a full-sized pickup. Not to mention the 5.7 iforce V8 is extremely reliable. Give us an option for V8 with an 8 or 10 speed transmission and you will drastically increase fuel economy. Many of us are not going to sweat a "$1000" difference to obtain a V8 displacement in a Tundra.
They could update to dual injection system and downsize displacement with the 5.7 architecture, just a smaller package with direct and port injection. Problem solved
@@drumdaynight17 Maybe they are trying to build a truck that they can sell in every Country.In some Countries a V8 is taxed to the point of being cost prohibitive. So while I find the loss of the V8 (seems like everybody is dropping them) I also understand that they need to try and keep all the governments off their backs.
guy that v6 cost them more way more to build think of all that bs on it .hence why my truck is a v8 checy simple simple and cheap to build
Shit I would take a 4.0L DOHC V8 with twin turbos. At least you wouldn't be in the boost EVERY SECOND of every drive.
@@tritchie6272They aren’t selling Tundras in Europe or anywhere else outside of the USA or Canada as far as I know. Europeans don’t want huge vehicles like the Tundra anyways.
The problem is most people can’t afford to change their vehicles every few years so that Toyota gets their act together. Especially when they charge the amount they are charging.
Yes Agree
Tow hooks should be standard. They aren't that expensive to put in.
I completely agree! Anyone can get stuck. I live in an area with long, snowy winters and slide- offs are common. Without tow hooks, where do you hook on to the front end to pull out of a ditch? Toyota has NO answer for this.
I guarantee you that removing tow hooks was a nickel n’ dime move from accounting.
@@Darkpill-2 they are too high on their horse after building such successful Tacoma, Tundra, and 4runners. I think their whole lineup with the exception of the new gx pales in comparison. Their mpg numbers are the only thing better than their predecessor
Don't forget the stand alone transmission cooler that isn't there.
@@paulmoss7940 that adds weight, extra complications and increasing mpg which proves the 6 banger is a terrible idea. Why didn't they just make a more fuel efficient V8?? They had 20 years to try to make one.
I feel like Toyota doesn't understand its truck customers anymore. The simplicity, honesty, reliability and serviceability of their trucks is what made people loyal. I knew so many careered mechanics and Toyota truck owners who would tell you that. Now, ask a mechanic or the owner of a $80,000 Turbo Hybrid 10-speed TRD Pro if they feel the same way.
Government regulations are a bitch.
I know this might sound like a bit of a joke to Toyota loyalists, but I think the modern version of what Toyota guys had is now the Ram Classic. You can buy one new, but it's old, simple and cheap.. No turbos, no direct injection, no cylinder deactivation, no hybrid system, just a basic, basic, V6 powered truck.
Our business has one as a beater work truck. With nearly 300k miles, it's still working hard. When it gives up catastrophically, we'll just replace it with the exact same truck. There's no need or desired to upgrade to anything, we'll just want another one to do exactly what the current does so well.
I agree to an extent, but unfortunately those vehicles don’t exist anywhere anymore. People want the latest and greatest with the most modern tech and if you don’t have it there’s only a small portion of the market who wants the old school basics. I wish you could get simpler, more basic and less expensive vehicles too.
No offense to those people but that sounds an awful lot like I hear from senior people in IT. And what it's really saying is they do not want to learn the new technology and methods because they were comfortable with the old ones. This always happens in waves. And it's happened multiple times before in just the auto industry. There's also the simple reality of these engines and the rest of the vehicle has to evolve. Emissions alone dictate keeping the 5.7L around wasn't possible.
@@PeakDecline Emissions regulations didn't dictate new turbo engines. The new line of turbocharged engines is the result of cost cutting and consolidation in engine line up. You could build a V8, a V6, a hybrid, and you'd still be able to comply with emissions regulations. However, that's more expensive than developing one hybrid turbocharged V6 that serves all demands.
Also, I don't agree at all about "new" technology. What you said just sounds like something my kids says when Apple makes another "new" iPhone. In reality, "new" tech rarely make any substantive gains. It's generally either rehashing tech from a decade ago, or it's just complexity and gimmickry for the sake of being novel. You could throw your money at it, but your life won't be happier by feeding your impulse.
Toyota offers many engines worldwide that are not offered in the U.S., including these new body on frame trucks. The Tundra and Sequoias are U.S. market vehicles. Updating the 5.7 and adding an 8 speed Auto, or turbocharging the 4.6 at lower PSI would've been a much more reliable idea.
The Tundra needs the sequoia front end on it. It would look so much better
There was a person on Reddit who did a swap, it looks awesome!
@@wesl.946 I’d like to see that…I bet it looks good…now. We gotta push Toyota for a v-8
Yes, the Tundra front grille should not be open on the bottom. Sequoia grille is closed which is better. Also, the Tundra steering wheel is disproportionately too fat on the bottom. New 4runner steering wheel is better. Seems like the earlier Tundra's details are not dialed-in properly.
@@briandejong4437 maybe they’ll fix it all on next refresh…..
@briandejong4437 There are many aspects of the Tundra's design that look disproportionate. It was a mistake to unify the Tacoma and Tundra under one platform.
There's a much bigger problem for the Toyota Tundra that a refresh won't fix. Platform sharing can save costs, but platform sharing can also water down the products or create product overlap. Ultimately, you end up with a full line of products that aren't that compelling.
That's a good point, the platform sharing might be an explanation for what might be mounting troubles. Toyota offers more trucks and SUVs than anyone else, which you'd think would be a good thing. But I can't help but feel all their products are just mediocre, nothing really being best in class.
Huh... That argument works so well with all brands ROFL
@@JIPlatium It does, but Toyota has way more trucks on one chassis than anyone. There's so many now, I'm losing count.
I think there's going to be 7 or 8 trucks and SUVs on their TNGA truck platform. That's just here in the US. Kinda bonkers. So far, none of their redesigns are selling that well. I fear the same will be true for the new Taco and 4Runner.
@@eugenem5244 lmao toyota was always like that. Just average
I am glad that I went old school with a 2021 Tundra.
I used to have a 2019 Platinum Tundra. I drove it for over 3 years and never really grew to love the truck. Yeah, I liked it. It was solid. It had a few warranty issues, but it still just felt like a brand new 10 year old truck.
- I grew up a GM fan and for almost a decade had planned to buy a Sierra. The lack of interior space and ludicrous pricing made me pass on them.
- Growing up to hate Ford, I swore of the F-150. Doing my diligence I shopped the F-150, and then I realized why it was/is the #1 selling truck. It struck all the right notes. Interior space, V8, options, etc. The price was more than I wanted to pay, as all trucks are, but at least I could ALMOST justify it compared to the competition.
- When I checked out the new Tundra in 2022, I was appalled. The truck was physically longer, but the interior space was much more cramped. It felt like a larger Tacoma, not a compliment either. The screen sticking up over the dash, I will NEVER buy a vehicle with that. Make the infotainment system fit in the dash. This is just a stupid and asinine design concept. I do miss having a back window that rolled down. My dogs LOVED it. The Toyota dealership where I live is much better than the competition too.
Why Toyota still doesn't offer auto 4WD in the Tundra, I don't know. My 2019 Tundra 4WD system was capped at 55mph. Sometimes, when it rains, I want to drive in 4WD Auto and not have to worry about the details of turns, speed, etc. I did like the adjustable headlamps. I wish I still had them...
- I liked the Nissan Titan, but the bed had no volume. The back seats were super thin, so driving long distances with 3 kids and 3 dogs wasn't going to be pleasant. I think it is a good looking truck, and I liked the powertrain. The truck, overall, just wasn't at the level of the rest.
- I ended up buying a Ram 1500 Laramie 4WD. I swore I would never buy one as they were subpar products..... 2 years into ownership, it has been fantastic. It is comfortable, the power is smooth and linear, the seats are good all around, the 4WD system has an AUTO setting, it has a payload about 500lbs more than the Tundra it replaced while riding MUCH better. The infotainment system is fantastic, while being integrated into the dash. I didn't realize it until recently, but the Ram is what I had hoped the Tundra would be, or at least have offered as a version.
I hope to have my Ram for a long, long time. I don't hate turbo engines. I have driven numerous of them for many, many years. In fact, I love the feel of a turbo when it kicks in. Turbo lag is easy to get around when you know your vehicle. The flexibility and "tinkering" you can do with them is awesome. I trust Toyota when it comes to engines, so that wasn't the big thing. It was the rest of the truck. If Toyota wants me back, they have much work to do.
I enjoyed reading your comment and you did a nice job of clearly articulating your points. Good luck with the Ram, they make some nice trucks.
Curious what you mean by saying your 4x4 system was capped at 55? I’ve owned 2 tundras and 07 and now a 2020 and have driven both 70-80 for extended periods of time in 4wd and it was never a problem. But I do agree there’s no real wow to owning a Tundra it’s just they’re reliable. I looked at them all in 2020 when I updated my 07 and long term reliability was just too important to me so I got another Tundra
I really enjoyed reading your comments.
I agree with your impressions of the new Tundra interior. I have a 2nd Gen Tacoma and had never sat in a new Gen Tundra. I was at a large dealership that had one inside and after sitting inside one I couldn’t believe how cramped it was for a full size truck. I was rather disappointed that going to a Tundra from a Tacoma wasn’t really more than a tall step into a slightly larger Tacoma in the front seat.
@@kross1261
The owners manual of my Tundra stated that 4wd High was limited to 55mph. I didn't ever test it, nor drive with it on the interstate.
I did use it at least once a month on a gravel road, muddy field, etc. I would seek one out to engage the system if I hadn't used it in a while.
Being that it was full time 4wd, I refused to bind it up going around the turns on pavement.
Had I been in a snowy/icy situation, I would have done that, but living in SE Tennessee, we didn't have that occur during my ownership.
All that being said, the rear end would hook up MUCH better than I had ever anticipated, even with slick roads and worn out OEM tires.
@@seanvandergriff7161 interesting I wasn’t aware of that. I’ve been pretty hard on my Tundras I hope they continue to hold up. But when I do update my truck I’ll look at the other offerings especially the Ram I’ve owned 6 of them I believe. Back when I’d buy a new truck every couple years. I think they make the nicest overall truck right now. I hope yours will serve you well.
I remember when reliable Toyota full sized trucks first came to America in 1993. It was a good 30 years while it lasted.
Had a 2013 with 160K flawless miles. Sold for a 2021 to get the last V8. So far outstanding.
This current Tundra needs a lot of updates and improvements!
The Sequioa and Tundra both should have been way better.
This was a great video. One of your best. I love the analysis and forward looking discussions. Focus on how to make things better is always refreshing.
Please bring the front bench seat with a 6.5ft bed
Along with 2.4w or 7.3w inverters like ford power post. Super disappointed Toyota didn’t offer that the first time with the tundra.
I agree on the bench seat, it would be great if you had the choice of a bench or bucket seats on all trims!
Bingo
Sheldon of all people knows better than to release a Tundra without tow hooks. He is all about offroading/overlanding and very well acquainted with that community. I just cant understand how that happened...
He wasn't in charge of the Tundra when it was launched and engineers fought the Toyota safety team on them.
Go Tim. Go Tim. LOVE ^^this^^ about your videos! You do the REAL stuff we all want. You highlighting my tire/alignment situation I’m confident helped with getting things fixed!
INFOTAINMENT sucks! Not user friendly at all. Needs a Home button and a “radio” button.
LOVE this about Toyota and they keep making things better.
I really appreciate the way you get right to the topic in your videos. So many youtubers play 2 to three minute intros and three to four minutes of sponsored ads. It's nice to see a quick. clean start.
The only changes needed on the Tundra is getting rid of that FULGY Fu Manchu "handlebar" grill - and doing something like the 4th Gen Tacoma or even better - the 6th Gen 4Runner.
It's almost like the designers at Toyota hate 'Full Size Truck' segment customers...and hired blind designers. The 3rd Gen Sequoia is built on the same line as the Tundra...but even that front-end looks remarkably better.
Agreed, hate it. And the lack of a V8 option.
@@wesl.946 That is why I got a low mileage 2021 Tundra before it was too late to get a Toyota truck with a solid V8 engine. I will never sell that truck.
I love my trd off road grill. ugliness is something very subjective.
@@blinkguy4ever Guess we will see if the ugliness is "subjective" with the planned 2026 Tundra refresh.
If the front end changes...then most people thought it was ugly, shrug.
Great vid! I really enjoy my 2024 Tundra. I hope we can stay away from GPF for a while longer. A little facelift, inside and out, is all it needs to keep it current IMO. Stay safe.
Very logical analysis - well done Tim!
Yesterday I picked up a 2024 TRD OR Limited in Crewmax. I read the posts, seen the videos and of all the issues people have been having. Fingers crossed that this one doesn’t have any the issues.
Good luck!
The 2022 redesign failed on so many levels. The best description of them in my opinion is "cheap". If you go back, the biggest complaint on the forums for the last gen Tundras was the gas mileage. They made an effort to help that, but didnt gain a lot.
At least they listened to feedback on the front end and fixed it for Sequoia and Tacoma. That giant grille looks terrible. I was close to buying a TRD Pro when they came out. I saw the plastic front end in person and immediately was turned off. It looked so cheap. I never felt this way about the previous generation. Then i saw the rattles, the seats breaking, the weather stripping, the panels not lining up, the rusting shock bolts, the lack of tow hooks, the lack of bumper steps. These trucks just scream cheap, but their price doesnt reflect that.
Bring the V8 back!
Great insight and analysis into what we could expect on the 2026 Tundra Tim. Hoping Toyota really listens to their customers and makes multiple improvements.
GREAT video Tim (like the format btw).
Wish list 😊
1. Bumper change will be very welcome (tow hooks, better approach/departure, bash plate improvement, steel bumpers, over all aesthetics etc.)
2. Moldings, better part alignment/fitment issues a must
3. Technology, screen size…don’t care much
4. This one may seem petty but…subscription based options like navigation, remote start etc. is a deal breaker for me if I have to pay extra after a few months
Just some of my thoughts from a guy who has owned many Toyota trucks. To the haters, I don’t care what you think, keep your comments to yourself.
Thanks again Tim, that was fun
I recently watched a video from the CarCareNut about the Tacoma, it looks like Toyota is moving to quick disconnect fittings for the cooling system, which he said were very prone to leaking when they tried implementing them in the Camry a while back, which is why they reverted back to the hose/clamp connecting in the Camry after the leaking issues.
I am sure it helps with manufacturing, but could you try to find out if they did anything different with these to fix the issues they had in the Camry?
Maybe they should put a fucking V-8 engine back in it …..that might help sales..😅
Do we think they will make any updates/improvements to mpg? I know that’s been a major complaint that mpg is marginally better than prior gen with v8.
The big question I have, knowing how much info you have on the trucks, is would you buy one right now or wait for the fixes/upgrades? I was looking thru the website and even the SR5 version comes equipped quite nicely.
I think an even bigger issue with the wireless charger is that camera bumps (like on the iPhone) don't allow the phone to make good contact with the charger. Mine would never stay charging even when I was not moving. They need to redesign it with some kind of recessed notch on the top to accommodate the bump out so the rest of the phone sits flat.
IMO they butchered the remodel of the Tundra and Sequoia- and not necessarily because they ditched the 5.7. The Tacoma seems pretty good but still low payload and they shrunk the gas tank.
Great video Tim.
Excellent review and information. I love the 3.4 tt. Have there been issues with Japan made engines in the LX600?
Not that I've heard of.
To me the biggest issues you pointed out. It needs tow hooks and a real steel bumper again. The addressing quality issues like vibrations, trim gaps etc should have never taken a refresh to address to me that’s compromising there brand quality continuing with sending a failed product out. Also the broken plastic piece on the drivers seat is a quality issue they need to address. For now I’m keeping my 21. At the moment I’m leaning towards a heavy duty Ford for my next truck if I don’t see some of those issues resolved.
I’ve owned Toyota my entire life,and back in the 80,s and 90,s they were very dependable and affordable,now they cost twice what a house did back in the 70s ,and some of their products like Tacoma are made in Mexico where they pay their employees around 3 dollars per hour,now their junk and I wouldn’t spend my hard earned money on one if they discounted it 50% ,because they are plagued with problems and probably always will be in the future.
They need to make a Tundra that fleet and commercial owners want. I see F-150, Silverado, or even a Ram work trucks all over the place and it makes me want to get one. I hardly see Tundras anywhere.
The bed is too narrow to be practical for a work truck. I'm a carpenter and many sheet goods are OVER 48 inches wide and WON'T fit in the Tundra. They went from one of the largest beds in the segment to by far the smallest. They don't care about work trucks. They are just making SUV's that sort of look like trucks. By the way, I'm a Toyota fanboy and I've had Toyota trucks for my work since 1998. Not any longer. I have no choice but to deal with the poor quality of the domestic trucks now.
@@jonathangray1353 2018 Tundra bed fits plywood/drywall just fine between the wheel wells
@@davidsdean For regular plywood, it does fit. However, cabinet grade hardwood plywood and MDF as well as some other specialty sheet goods no longer fit as they are up to 49" wide. Furthermore, the overall bed width has been reduced by 8" as well making a much smaller cargo area than it used to be and than any other full sized truck.
I had a 22 then a 23 and now a 24 and the 24 is far the best as for the phone charging between the 23 and 24 i needed to upgrade my phone what a difference in charging and android hook up so much better at over 7k now i have absolutely no issues whats so ever with this truck powerful smooth dependable
Tim, has Toyota fixed or are they planning on fixing the terrible road noise of the Tundra? My 22 Tundra has terrible road noise above 55-65 mph.
Give us a damn diesel Toyota!
Not going to happen. They'd have to borrow one from Hino and that'd have to be a 2500 series engine and up.
@LoneWolfSparty that's what we're looking for, but the American standard for emissions is meant to destroy vehicles
@LoneWolfSparty you dreaming , toyota makes diesel engine, all over Europe and South Africa are diesel engines, I used to have a van 30 years ago , toyata diesel in there was driving that in austria
@@Kraxi95 not in North America they don't.
I'm all for elevation and yes, the previous generation Tundra needed some addressing in key areas. BUT, after having driven a 2023 Tundra 1794 for a week, after also having driven many variants of the previous-gen Tundra, some things continue to mystify me on the new truck. Yes, it is quick in HybridMax trim and is overall smooth-ish(a Powerboost is smoother tho). But I was absolutely shocked by the amount of structure shock/vibration when on less-than-smooth pavement. Wind noise and road rumble seemed to be higher than the old truck as well.
I'm just saying, if Ford, Chevy, GMC, or Ram brought out the 2022-current truck, there would be mass chaos and immediate hate. Toyota seems to have gotten a waiver on the true criticism of the truck and trading solely on their "dependability" hallmark.
The reason why the Gen II Tundra received such a cult-like following was because it was earned. Not only did that 2007 model quantum-leap the 2006 it replaced, it creamed what the domestics were putting out at the time in terms of space, power, refinement, quality, features, etc(ironically, current head of Ford Farley was the Toyota guru at the time and knew Toyota had a slim window to catch Ford, Chevy, and Dodge off guard with their trucks). Even with a C-channel frame, that truck was outstanding against the equally brand new 2007 Silverado and the Dodge and Ford trucks. So good that nobody cared that Toyota didnt update for 15 years because the cab was still about as big as the Big 3 and not all truck buyers want rolling computers. But they do want top quality.
The current truck is just lacking and the sooner we come to terms with it, the faster Toyota addresses it.
Well put! My sentiments exactly. I cross shopped pickups recently and it was quite an eye opener.
I don’t think Toyota got a pass with the tundra. It’s been destroyed in looks and functionality all over the internet. The feedback was loud since the beginning l
I like when Toyota does this because I usually work on their construction updates at their San Antonio plant where I’m from and they hire Union workers for their projects
Nice. Take pictures!😅
@@1diggers1if he likes staying employed he won't. No photography allowed inside the plant without permission.
They should also augment the hybrid system to be more efficient and offer an inverter/generator system like the Ford F150 Powerboost. Also grill from the Sequoia, get rid of the subscription BS, and offer incentives so the average person can actually afford it. None of these will happen but it would be nice.
I wouldn’t expect all the incremental fix or improvements to come without a premium. The scheme of the commercial strategy is that by first not offering some common sense things, it increases the perceived value and need for them thus making them a premium level option. Never sell below what the market is willing to pay and it’s too bad the world (world world, not just USA) has too many extreme rich who’s willing to pay.
My complaint is no more 8ft beds im sick of 5ft beds.
You can still get an 8' bed though.
You can still get an eight foot bed the problem is there is no regular cab, the eight foot bed is only available in the crew cab and is as long as a school bus and looks ridiculous.
Toy trucks not work trucks.
I love my Nissan Titan XD, big back seat with 61/2’ box and old school V8. I don’t know what I would get next. I don’t like Ford, Chevy or Dodge, I had all 3 previously.
CM 6.5ft bed is the way! Id love to see a CM 8.1 though
I’m so glad I made the decision to take one of the last build allocations the dealer had for a 21 Pro, 40k miles later it feels and looks new, even if it’s an older platform.
How about full length running boards to the bed?
Some type of easy tailgate access like the Ford, GM and Ram?
I hope we get new front and rear bumper designs. The front and rear of the Tacoma looks better IMO. I’m sure all the other QC issues will be taken care of
Guess I’ll hold onto my ‘21 cement gray TRD 4x4 with the 5.7
4 wheel auto, 4 corner air ride, and metal bumpers in the front w/ tow hooks
It's engineering/design, casting, fabrication & machining, then assembly. The former two can be a QA/QC issue. Those are the factors with the main bearing issues that need to be run down and hopefully corrected via a better design, better materials perhaps or better QA/QC validation and tolerances.
@Tim I have the 2024 Toyota tundra platinum lots of wind noise on the driver side. They can’t seem to fix it. With you experience, what do you think?😢
I remember this was an issue when they first came out, I'm surprised they're still having problems Three model years later
I also have a 2024 and there's no fix because they keep using the same cheap and defective window seals. I've had them replaced 3 times, and still no fix. TOYOTA knows about this, but they refuse to do anything about it in the form of a recall or TSB. It looks like you're going to have to trade your Platinum in for a 2026 if you want a fix.
Seems to me to be a continual issue and I know they are aware of it. I'm not sure why it hasn't been fixed by now. It has to be more complex of a fix than what it seems.
I opened the door of a pre-owned 2023 Capstone that was on the lot of a Ram dealer. The single, thin weather-stripping seems to be the issue. On the forums, owners say it is really bad in crosswind situations at highway speed.
@@hellkitty1014 Yeah, I've documented the wind noise and I mentioned it in this video as well. It is a known issue for sure.
The door panel rattling is new.
Do you ever watch the you tuber , The Car Car Nut? He is a toyota tech. I think you would like him. VERY detailed and knowledgeable. I'm pretty sure he brings up some of these issues. The bearing issue was bad parts supplier. Im almost positive. He talks about the waste gate fix too. It should be fixed according to him. He has zero issues pointing out common toyota issues.
I don’t have to watch him, I know him.
Hey Tim, to my understanding it already has gas particulate filters. It’s in the exhaust system. Check with your Toyota connections but I believe it’s already here in America 🇺🇸. Thank you for all the great videos 👍
Tundra needs a front end makeover taking queues from the 4Runner, tow hooks, auto 4wd, and multi function tailgate for starters and setting aside quality issues.
In three years the famed reliability tradition of Toyota trucks will be a memory.
One issue I wish they would adopt from the Tacoma playbook is to add storage compartments in the side of the beds. My 2018 TRD Sport has 2 of them (one on each side) and I can put my tie down straps in there. The Tundras to my knowledge do not have any compartments in the bed at all.
Thanks for the information Tim. I should be ready to retire my highly reliable '08 in another two years.
I really hope they update the tailgate to have auto-up, auto-down, and a release button on both sides like the Tacoma. The Pre-wired switches plus the 2400 watt, or higher, inverter option should be part of the upgrade just to compete with itself and competitors.
…and stay simple and cost less. Gotcha. 😉
Being in engineering, cost only plays on last years crap, updates & features cost money!
I saw two seperate new Tundras being flat bed towed in my small town this past week. One was a Pro that was really kitted out with some big $ stuff on it. Being that they have only been out for a year or so that’s not a good sign. I had been hearing about issues with them but you always wonder if it’s just stuff getting amplified by social media and YT but man it makes my decision to buy a new 5th gen 4Runner last December versus waiting for the 6th gen. I can appreciate progress and have owned a handful of turbo charged cars and TD trucks but I think more so for Toyotas I think a lot of us just want the turn the key and go, not worry about reliability issues. My 18 Silverado has been flawless and am planning on replacing it likely in ‘28 but the way things are going it’s going to be interesting to see what my options are by then. Would prefer an NA V8, relatively simple truck for doing truck stuff, towing/hauling stuff for our farm. I don’t see trucks as enthusiast vehicles, more like tools. It kind of dismays me to see how much tech, complicated systems they are putting on/into trucks and the related costs.
do you think they will do a “pro power” for the refresh?
I had to watch this in 2 parts, and the content is not only excellent but very interesting. I have read that the wastegate issue on the Tundra required the body to come off to access for the replacement or repair. I also read that it was a supplier issue, and then that the fix was programming. Do you know which is true? I was also wondering if Toyota/Lexus might do an off-road package with the LX 600, which, while probably pricey, would probably sell well. Since you seem to have your ear pretty well to the ground, I was wondering if perhaps you had heard or otherwise come across information? Thanks for the channel. It was a really good presentation, I enjoyed the split screen presentation, especially to theorize on tow hook placement.
As an owner of 3 Tundras over the years, I can say with full confidence that Toyota needs to start treating the Tundra like the big dog of the lineup. They favor Tacoma and you can tell. They 1000% need to bring all these changes to Tundra! Trailhunter needs to be even better on Tundra than it is on Taco and 4Runner. #FreeTheTundra
I hope they redo the look of the front end. I have a 2015 Tacoma TRD SPORT and would like to get into a bigger truck but the current Tundra is just ugly in my opinion. Would love to see a version like Tacoma Trailhunter , that’s a great looking truck.
I would like to see a back button on the steering wheel so that when you're in your contacts or apps, you're not taking you're eyes off the road trying to hit the little square in the bottom left hand corner.
Love my 2018.
Please, PLEASE keep it. Still a great looking truck and it could be the last vehicle you buy!
Me too. Last of the big boys with a transmission cooler.
Well I'm ready for a trailhunter tundra. My 22tundra has been fine besides the recalls and growing pains of a new model. I'm at 46k now. Anyways, I'll be getting a new tacoma to hold me over until I can get the tundra I want. Recovery points is my major complaint. I knew all the other issue's you mentioned were gonna get fixed. Oh, one more complaint, almost forgot, the damn squeaking brakes. Still no fix. So frustrating and it all started under 5k.
I am now getting that rattle in the rear window but warranty has expired.
Interior changes I don't have any besides what you had mentioned.
Thank you for another great video and will you be getting a trailhunter tacoma or 4runner or even the tundra?
I’m reviewing them all. Not sure what to do right now with that.
I have 2024 Platinum 4000 miles so far perfect I hope will stay that way.
I have also 2016 SR5 TRD good simple truck but new Platinum it’s in different level.
Great video.
Overdue and needed, at Toyota. These have not been great trucks, and owners tend to quietly trade out early, so what they learned from the later iterations hopefully helps the big ones improve.
What do you mean owners "tend to quietly trade out early". What does that even mean? Where did you get these numbers? What is "early"? You mean a couple guys on your tube sold their new Tundra? I am not following what your mean
I see it a lot of people around have traded the newer tundras for f150s and GM twins. Most trucks have less than 3k.
@@brandontierney9489 High # of nice used '22/'23 Tundras sitting on lots here also
Tons of pre-owned 22-23 Tundras on lots in our areas. But the 20-21 Tundras are tough to come by, especially in TRD trim.
Put the Sequoia or Tacoma grille design on the Tundra and up the Hp.
Great video Tim well spoken if you know what I mean 👍👍
GREAT VIDEO And THANKS 4 ALL Ur Info & Data :)) !!!!!! ONE Of The BIGGEST " TURN - OFF " for ME When, I Went SHOPPING for a TUNDRA ( There WAS a LOT ) Was HOW They CHANGE ( MADE ) The FUEL DOOR With NO LOCKING SYSTEM :(( WTH ???
Well finally! The video we’re all waiting for…”Make Tundra great again”. ❤ We’re all ears and Tim don’t let them mess up the refresh, better late then never.
Paying extra for tow hooks on a truck is like paying a subscription fee for heated seats on your BMW
Trail hunter please. Would love to see TNGA-F’s with a 2.4L and 3.4L Max Prime (PHEV). And for Pete’s sake, change the Tundra face to be closer to the Sequoia or Taco.
Learned to wait for the mid-cycle refresh… Had a 2007 Tundra I bought new.
I don't know how to tell toyota this but that new engine makes a lot of low end torque and should have a cast iron block. For the same reason they made the 4.7L engine cast iron versus it's counter parts, the 4.0L and 4.3L which had aluminum blocks. A cast iron block will dampen vibration better and allow you to have higher torque on the main bearing cap screws.
Abolish the EPA
There are 76 TTV6 engine failures REPORTED to ONE Tundra Forum. Only a tiny percentage of 3rd Gen Tundra owners are on the forum. We're probably looking at closer to thousands of engine failures across the TTV6 engine family.
I'm betting it's a design flaw or they would've had it fixed, but as they have done in the past, Toyota will deny, deny, deny there's a problem, hoping these engines make it past the warranty period. $35,000 to fix out of warranty.
Truck buyers don't want a V6. The front end is ugly, the tailgate is ugly. It is way overstylized. Thank Kevin Hunter for all these lines etc on the vehicles. I'll keep my bullet proof good looking 2019 Trd all day. And yes I've driven 4 different new Tundras in different trims.. they all felt like cheap junk. This 'styling' works on a grocery getter like the Sequoia. Personally I don't like the new 4Runner either as it is too overstylized, it doesn't look like a vehicle you will see with a roof top ten in the mountains of Colorado. Honestly the 5th gen was pushing looking too over styled, but it pulls it off. I saw a really cool lifted Sequoia in Colorado this week to give an idea what a new 4Runner might look like, yes it looked cool, would anyone want to take it offroading? hell no, its a Costco mommy look cool vehicle. There is no way Tundra sold 15k in March, that number has to be skewed by rental car companies, every Toyota lot I pass has rows of Tundras collecting dust, used ones dropping prices big time.
I wish they came out with the Trailhunter model from the beginning. On tundra, sequoia s.
Refreshed with a 5.7 without any cam tower issues!!
It used to be that Toyotas were a higher quality vehicle. You paid a slight premium, but they lasted a long time and you were rewarded later because the vehicle retained its value better than the other brands.
Now they are apparently of similar quality to the other brands. I think the long term resell values will be similar to the other brands as well.
Why is that? Maybe its the made in Mexico thing? Maybe it's the engineering being done in the US? They have cut corners and the consumer is expected to just suck it up.
So maybe I'll look at Toyotas in 2026. Hopefully they'll fix their mistakes by then.
Tow hooks!
The biggest two issues with the 3rd gen Tundra is one the price being too damn high and two it’s not a V8.
So question: do the dealerships have fixes for the weather stripping and rattling consoles? Or do we just have to live with it
I haven't heard of any dealership fixes.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I did learn today that the problem has been solved. Was the weather stripping
@@davida7284 thanks for the update!
I love my 2007 tundra. Last year I was either going to buy a new one or invest a decent amount into refreshing mine. After looking at everything I went with refreshing mine. I am so glad I did. I don't want a gas truck that isn't a v8. The technology in toyota is less than impressive. If you can't do that very well you might as well make it simple and they didn't do either of those well in the new tundra. I will keep my 2007 but I am strongly considering buying a lower mileage 2019-2021 so I won't ever need to suffer with a turbo/hybrid/v6.
Really should consider taking the Porsche approach to mid-cycle refreshes. Change the engine mid-cycle, change the body every generation. Don’t change both at the same time. This would have given them more time to refine the engine.
Fire everyone responsible for 2022 fiasco.
Move development to Japan. Redesign the whole thing from scratch. Let engineers make decisions. Not marketing team.
Then manufacture it in Japan.
I do enjoy my tundra but they could have designed something’s differently. I have my list as I’m sure other owners have theirs. More importantly what really has bugged me is the quality control.
I didn’t notice it till the first wash but the paint has a lot of “dust” under the paint. Something I wouldn’t expect from any manufacturer with million dollar facilities.
They offer full-time 4WD in the 4Runner Limited and Tacoma Limited. I wish they offered full-time 4WD in the Tundra Limited, too.
Any word on if they're going to bring the X-Runner back?
I would like to buy my first Toyota, but would like to see the following changes before I commit:
1. The "mustache" trim around the grill that extends all the way down over the bumper looks silly and over accentuates the nose of the truck. Mustaches look great on Sam Elliott and Tom Selleck, but not Tundra's. Make it look like the front of the Sequioa please!
2. Seats, like many other vehicles these days, are way too hard. I'm the original owner of a 2013 Sierra if anyone in the auto industry wants to be reminded of what a happy-medium firmness, comfortable truck seat is, that one would actually want to ride around in for any length of time. God help any of us who may have back issues who try to get along with the current seats.
3. All the reports of mysterious wind noise, window and door rattling still happening after three years/three kicks at the can is ridiculous. We can come up with all this software, screens, sensors, cameras, and all the rest of the overkill, not worth the price technology on today's vehicles, but the basics of auto design and building seem to have escaped us.
Toyota should never have released a product that was less powerful and less capable than a F150. No amount of excuses will suffice.
Hybrid Tundra has more horsepower and torque then the Ford Powerboost. 437 horsepower and 583 ft/lbs of torque, pretty good numbers don’t you think.
@@vitkobylka6432 Still less capable, the Powerboost is a far smoother running engine and I do believe it's a little quicker too
Absolutely love the trail hunter concept. But no snorkel on the tundra.
2017 TRD Pro owner here. Has it been a love-affair? No. Will I throw down on a new one though? Absolutely not. I'm not sure I wouldn't be trading one experience for a similar experience at a ridiculous price point. A couple quality control issues notwithstanding, my biggest complaint has been and remains to be the complete loss of power I randomly experience without warning or codes to suggest the cause. One day, I'm going to get t-boned as I move to accelerate through an intersection, no exaggeration. Additionally, the ABS will often chatter violently under slippery conditions, leaving me with very limited braking; Or even when I'm spinning up the wheels a bit in a sandy lot. No warning lights. No codes. I joke with my wife about what might be worse: The likelihood of an accident, or the cost of replacing the vehicle. I find it disconcerting that she's somehow more content to have me roll dice 🤔 If I was convicted, and determined to jump, I'm not even sure what I'd consider. At the price point of the new TRD Pro, there are options elsewhere. Better perhaps? Experience has taught me quality and cost rarely exist separately, and never exist (genuine value) together. A 2024 Land Cruiser J70 would be a consideration...God FORBID a diesel of Japanese manufacture was permitted to be sold in the US. Incidentally, if our gas-powered options in the US are to require particulate filters, and modern diesels already include them, I'd love to know why a vehicle that emits water vapor (following DEF treatment) fundamentally cannot be imported and offered for sale. Begrudgingly, I'll remain in what I currently drive.