WHY Won’t These 2024 Toyota Tundra Trucks Sell?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- These 2024 Toyota Tundra trucks just wont sell. How can Toyota get these Toyota Tundra options moving off the lot?
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Too expensive. $70k for a Tundra is laughable.
Not just for a Tundra but all trucks by all brands......
V8 hybrid I'd pay that 70k.. No V6TT for me
I guess I’ll be the person who tells him….the higher trim levels of EVERY truck is 70 plus
Yeah they are overpriced you can buy a HD truck for that price range the Chevy LT 2500HD you can find them between 70-76k.
One reason i wouldn’t get an i-force max is the storage under the back seats. You loose that space with the hybrid.
It is the cost. It is beyond what the consumer it willing to pay.
At $70k, with tax credits, I can get a Tesla. Or a bmw, mb, literally any luxury car. Yeah Tundra ain't a luxury car.
Yeah
Price point and 10% interest rates
I wouldn't brag about the sales of Tundras , they're very low compared to other truck brands and every truck brand is struggling to sale any trucks. The dealer's lots are full of inventory . Toyota isn't much of an exception. Each time I bring in our Rav4 for service I see a lot of Tundras on the lot with prices that people normally see at BMW or Mercedes dealers . Very few people are willing to pay these prices. I see some new low trim Tundras parked in the driveway of houses that are probably as expensive as the truck itself. People rather spend a chunk of money on a vehicle than on their homes to make it look nice.
@texastravelers210 im not arguing the fact that the big 3 sell way more half tons. They always have and probably always will. What I am saying, is this is the best we’ve seen Tundra sales in a very long time (2008), and Toyota doesn’t need the Tundra to make ends meet. They just want some market share. While the big 3 rely on half ton sales to survive, Toyota is the #1 auto manufacturer in the world because they sell a huge variety of vehicles. Keep that in mind.
Also, Toyota wants decent inventory on the lot. The covid days are over, and seeing 15-20 on the lot is back to normal. Are the prices insane, yes sir. Its now up to the regional team and Toyota lots to give the discounts necessary. The incentives are heading in the right direction also. Thanks for watching!
TRD Pro here in Toronto is $89,972.58 add another $1000 in dealer/admin BS fees and 13% sales tax and your looking at $102,798CAD Let that sink in for a minute.Insane.
I'll hang on to my 2014 Limited until the wheels fall off.
Feel like I got a steal at msrp 72k for my USA 24 TRD Pro !!
@@Sam-dq7ws Enjoy your truck, and don't believe when people say that we make way more than Americans, unless you're in a trade most people make $25hr.
@@louie4316 Agree and military cop here making about the same. Still love my new truck with only a little room for storage behind pass rear and center seat. My 2016 Platinum had little storage as well so no biggie and I enjoy the extra torque and seem-less transition from start/stop.
Massive gree on Toyotas part. It costs 16,500$ to make that truck
Think. For that kinda money you could completely replace the entire drivetrain in your truck at least 4 times.
Probably get you 1.5 million miles or more. 😂
I just bought my wife a used 2021 ram 1500 with 30k miles for $36k original msrp was $60k when new. $1k a month depreciation the first 2 years. I work too hard to burn all that money on a new Truck.
I'm looking to pickup a used 4runner after the redesign comes out. Hopefully the prices tank on the current gen so I can get a good deal.
Replace it with the I Force V8 5.7 and there would be none on the lots. Toyota made huge mistake eliminating the best engine ever for this hybrid nonsense.
True
Amen!
Absolutely brother!
Toyota screwed big :
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There won’t be any V8 left soon. Government emission law will end V8 and it is already happening
Toyota dropped the ball on the new Tundra.
Agree
And Tacoma
5.7 all day all the way
Great engine no doubt !
Yes
Toyota should have kept the 5.7 and gave The customer an option to either buy a Tundra with a tried and true 5.7 engine or their new twin Turbo V6 engine.
And not just push stuff on their customers. And Loyal Fan Base !
Still not remotely worth it. Now Yoda buyers will question everything they once trusted in Toyota. One of the largest marketing blunders of all time will come back to haunt Toyota.
4.7 all day, lol. 2014 tundra here. 250,000 miles. Still runs like a hoss.
Never understood the iforce max since day 1.
Dealer had an iforce max in the color i wanted. He asked me why i wasnt interested in an iforce max. I told him:
1) cost
2) complexity/reliability/durability
3) rear seat storage used by battery
4) weight, 400-500 pounds additional
5) doesnt improve fuel economy
Really interesting I hadn’t thought about losing storage space from the battery but that’s a really good point. Additional weight too would take away from some of the utility gained from extra power. I assume lots of people who consider the iforce max might get better bang for their buck in a 3/4 ton from another manufacturer
Same. The avg people dont haul 10k towing aniwaise. Most do gine with 5k or 6k. Soo all that imax crap dont even help us. Like make us a 6k towing tundra with 27mpg please. Haha
The rear seat storage is the main reason I didn't want it lol
@@davidianson1182that's my opinion on things. I'll drive a 3/4 V8 for the same price or less than the V6 half-tons.
Reduced stress on smaller engine going from a stop. Gives turbos time to kick on. Still a terrible design forced upon us by the EPA
I have a 2014 SR5 that I bought new. Todays Tundra is way over priced.
Your tundra will be running strong for years, and it came with tow hooks!
Agree. Had a 2015 SR5 and crashed it. Bought a 17 TRD off road double cab. That’s all I will ever need.
Plus, I’m a regular guy who will NOT spend rich people money on a vehicle.
Hold off, from buying.
I also bought a new 2014 SR5 5.7 V8. Had a 2000 SR5 4.7 and had 300000 miles on it and gave it to a son n law. Wish I'd kept it, it seemed the bed metal was better than my 14 and had less trips to get it repaired, nothing major but multiple small things. Looks like Toyota is following the Big 3 on the down hill side but Jack the prices up. Bottom line I can't afford a new one on retirement.
The I force max is totally useless. The only reason for a hybrid would be for better fuel milage. It doesn't do that. It's more expensive and only a bit more power.
The crazy thing is the top speed is exactly the same with the upgraded engines. I don’t understand why people pay extra for nothing. You can drive 100+ mph with the base SR engine.
@@user-tb7rn1il3qwho cares about top speed, it’s a truck. The reason for the hybrid is to boost the torque and towing capacity.
@@CR-fj3de I’m not going to be towing over 65 mph. The base engine is more than capable to do that. The trailer tires are not designed to go over 65 mph.
I didn't get the iforce max because I felt that having more electronics would cause more issues down the road. The SR5 is probably the best truck to buy maybe a limited if you want leather and the sunroof.
A few reasons why I think the Iforce max isn’t selling well. First, the fuel mileage isn’t all that great. Next, the batteries are stored under the back seat and they take up storage and precious payload. Plus, they aren’t worth the extra money for the hybrid.
Precisely. All of that added complexity with very little benefit of fuel mileage.
PRICE PRICE AND AGAIN....PRICE......also.....RELIABILITY.......
Prices are insane. A friend of mine bought a 2020 ford raptor a couple of years back and spent like 65k on it. Now that's the average truck price.
Those Raptors in Canada are well over 100000 now with taxes and fees
248k on 2006. Bullet proof motor. Not great at anything but good at everything. Also owned the precursor to the tundra. T100. Put 300k on it.
V8 for full size truck. V6 for midsize truck 4 banger compact truck. simple.
Ignorance
$50,000 plus trucks of any brand is ridiculous.
My next new Tundra will be a second gen, had a first and loved it for 325,000. Not ready to sell my soul to keep up with the broke Jones’s.
Wisdom!👊🏻
Good decision making.
Agree
I spent less on a GMC Sierra 2500 HD Duramax diesel and have a much better truck.
The answer is obvious. The dealers need to add more things like the $4000 pin stripe package. SOLD!!
Ha, i saw a bunch of worthless dealer add-ons on an SR5 in the showroom. You’re spot-on! It’s a total turn-off!👊🏻
Don’t forget the nitrogen filled tires for 500 bucks 🙄
Been looking for trd off road Tacomas. All the dealers have 4500$ dealer options. Pin strips and some bs protective wax. Not even PPE film...
Trd sports are going for over 55k by me. Totally insane
@@CoopaCoop I was working a cash deal on a non-hybrid Platinum TRD Off-Road. I offered them $71K out the door but they wouldn’t budge demanding instead $72.5K and requiring that I finance it through Toyota at 9% 🤣🤣🤣. I walked away.
@@edmal5870 yeah good for you for walking away. Bring your business somewhere else! They wouldn't budge because they didn't want you to buy in cash. Wanted someone to come in and take that 9%..
My credit union is offering 2% for domestic and 3% for foreign. Toyota can shove that 9% up their a$$.
70K for a full size truck without a V8. Forget about it. I'll keep my 4runner
I have a 2000 Tundra that I bought new. However, I just could not bring myself to purchase the turbo six cylinder engine. Abandoning the V-8 engine is a mistake. No matter what you do to boost a small engine to get more power, you are just shorting the life of the engine. I have made a very good living selling internal engines parts. I have almost 400,000 miles on my Tundra. Fewer moving parts with proper maintenance will make the engine last longer. This is why my second Tundra is a 2021.
Right there with you. Have a 2020 Platinum, no desire for TTV6. Ridiculous price for these trucks, mine was out the door for less than $50k just 4 years ago, that truck is like $75k now…
There’s 2 less pistons, 2 less conrods, 8 less valves in a V6 🤷♂️
@@Jay-me7gw
Good for you *being sarcasiç* your so smart
@@stephenc893 Not sure why you think I was being sarcastic. Did I say something that wasnt true?
With $25 for burger, fries and drink, life is too expensive and not practical to spend 70K + for a truck unless you have disposable income which is a difficult commodity these days. The Elephant in the room the current Brandon administration creating the inflation.
Absolutely agree
Lol. I died laughing before I even finished reading the first sentence... prices are high for sure and all depends on your location.. Lucky the Fed is holding them interest rates high.. My portfolio took a hit whenever the market crashed in 21-22.I had money and bought the dip. I used some profits from gains in 2023 an paid off my 2019 1794 Tundra I got in summer 2020. Sleepy Joe doing a good job from the disaster he supposedly stole . 15k profits from Ethereum last weekend. I'm thinking about adding a EV to my fleet. Toyota could've sold me a V8 hybrid Tundra thou.
@@Antares_451 You typed all that just to brag about your stock portfolio. Wow. No one cares.
Such a lie....keep your bull💩 Trump 💩 out of here
I remember hearing about years ago the new Tundra was going to be a game changer, but that felt short to meeting expectations. I am keeping my amazing 2019 SR5 XP.. Cheers mates..
The first 4x4 off road vehicle with NO TOWHOOKS lol
Same here. Wife's retirement truck after 20 years as a Forestry firefighter she has like 30 thousand on it and has taken care of it probably loves that more than me Lol!!!
As the great Arnold Schwarzenegger once said, “you don’t know how much is enough until you know how much is too much”.
The consumer is saying, “too much”.
The funny thing is that extra straw on the camel’s back happens just as abruptly with price. That “few” extra thousand can make you fold your arms and walk away.
Arnold lost me with his 20 year secret and freemason vax push as well as masks, You know that grandpa skipped the juice that killed Cedric Mcmillan.
Agree!!!
I was working a cash deal on a non-hybrid Platinum TRD Off-Road. I offered them $71K out the door but they wouldn’t budge demanding instead $72.5K and requiring that I finance it through Toyota at 9% 🤣🤣🤣. I walked away.
I just received another recall! You got to be kidding me! I already had the ECU software update, the temp (until a real fix is approved) shield on the fuel line for fire risk, loose nuts on the rear axle. Panoramic rearview mirror software update. Tonneau cover could blow off recall. Today’s recall 4/18/24 the transmission software needs updating, risk of moving in neutral. I paid $62.3K 😢😢😢
Ah yes, i had that fixed a few weeks back. I did get the recall in the mail the other day. That recall was issued in Feb
I'll never buy a new Tundra, because they screwed up the drivetrain with that Ford Turbo V6 crap! I'll keep my V8 forever!
I know no one here will believe me, but I am going to share this anyway. I was in the market for a tundra did a lot of research and saw a lot were sitting! I got a Tundra 2024, Limited, Super Crew, iforce, 5inch bed, TRD Off road 4x4. It was listed at 67k and I got it for 58.8k before taxes and fees!!!! If you ever wanted a tundra now is the time. They are hurting paying those floor fees. Also do not settle. This was my dream truck and I got exactly how I always wanted it. Best of luck.
All trucks from all the manufacturers are expensive. Even more so than the Tundra. I have a 2024 Platinim iForce Max. I love it. Great for towing and everyday driving. Gets roughly the same gas mileage as my 2019 Tacoma. Yes, I agree that the mileage isn't any different from the regular iForce. The hybrid also takes the initial stress off the turbos, which should benefit their longevity without issues. The battery has a 10yr warranty. Around yr 7, maybe it will be time to downsize to a Highlander or something!
All the brands have priced their trucks $15-$20,000 too high. 2 years ago I bought a GMC Sierra for 47,000. Now that same dealer wants 65,000 for the exact same truck
Tacoma TRD SPORTS are going for over 55k. Freaking insane
As a guy with a long ago paid for, but still perfectly functional 2007 Tundra I have to ask myself if it’s worth $65-$70K to get into a new Tundra with the options I want, or find something else in that price range I would rather drive. I can keep my old truck, I planned to anyway, so what else is out there for that kind of money I’d rather drive?
A lot of things as it turns out. An iForce Max Tundra in a Limited 4X4 with TRD Off-Road and a few other options 9:45 isn’t a $67K truck. Take $7K off of that and we might e getting closer.
I can answer the question in just a few words...they have over priced their value to most consumers!
My next tundra will be a 2020-2021 TRD PRO
I paid 58k for my 20 TRD Pro new in 20, and I thought long and hard at that price before I pulled the trigger. Looking at today's prices, it was a bargain. I'm still loving my truck.
Trying to understand the allure of the TRD Pro. If you're mainly on road. Which is the vast majority if tundras an SR5 will ride more comfortably.
I've come to the same conclusion. The issue is good luck finding one.
Better off a platinum and add shocks because unlike 2024 Pro's the 2.5 gens didn't even have power folding mirror's.
@@JBSmoke1 You’ll be happy to know that’s what dealers are asking for ‘21 TRD Pro’s w/ 50k miles on them, so they are holding their value👍🏻. Have priced them literally all over the country (lunar rock color) and they’re running anywhere from $53K to $62. It’s absurd - I’m in the habit now of just walking away. For that price I’ll p/u a new one in lesser trim.
PRICE!! I bought my 2015 Crewmax SR5 TRD for $40,000 new. I’m not willing to pay $70k plus for a 1/2 ton 4x4 with trim options I don’t need or want and a Powertrain that in my opinion isn’t proven.
Agree on the ad naseum dealer options - they’re ridiculous!! You raise another great point about the pwr train - 0 discussion out there on transmission reliability. 🤔
I’m always thankful of people who buy new cars and sell them at 100k ish km. Without them I wouldn’t have bought my 2012 Mitsubishi outlander at 120k for $8k CAD years ago it’s now 200k. And I just bought a 2017 tundra with 139k for 29k CAD.
I recently purchased a 2024 1794 TRD off road non- hybrid, didn’t even consider the I-Force Max.
May I ask what you paid out the door?
I was working a cash deal on a non-hybrid Platinum TRD Off-Road. I offered them $71K out the door but they wouldn’t budge demanding instead $72.5K and requiring that I finance it through Toyota at 9% 🤣🤣🤣. I walked away.
@@edmal5870 I traded in my 2015 Land Cruiser and I’m in Idaho with 6 percent sales tax. I gave them $22k and the LC out the door. Sticker was $70 ish with tax that’s almost $75k .
@@edmal5870 here in Idaho we have 6 percent sales tax. So factor that in. I traded my 2015 Land Cruiser and gave them $22k. Sticker was $70,000 ish . On the Tundra. It’s a 1794 TRD.
The Tundra itself has never been a runaway sales leader. (Ford, Chevrolet, and GMC sold many times more trucks despite Toyota's perceived quality.) 196,000 in 2007 is the most Tundras that were ever sold in this country in one year; even counting what was sold in other countries Toyota still sells a fraction of what the other manufacturers are able to move. While high prices can be said for all other manufacturers, I can assure you I won't buy a vehicle that cost as much as my first house. I don't care how good it is.
U hit all the point!!! Nice video and 100% on point!
Thin oil, green mandates kill longevity. Most are unwilling to go 5w30 until soot in tailpipe! At a little over 30,000 miles on stealership maint. Schedule. Sucky dissatisfied with post 2016 toyotacozzzz! Nuff said???
I inquired over a year ago about a capstone that is at a local dealership, at the time they wanted 5000 over retail. That same exact truck is still on the lot and now it is discounted pretty heavily. 6k or so…
I travel for work. There are Toyota dealerships just absolutely jam packed with Tundras. They are to expensive and have 2 many recalls. I have a 2021 limited Nightshade edition. I rarely if ever see the last generation tundras for sale
I ended up making that mistake but I love my tundra. Only one in the Chicagoland area for at least 6 months. But got destroyed cause now they are adding better packages with the hybrids now. For example I got the limited hybrid with the panoramic roof and that’s about it. No panoramic view camera just basic. I’m seeing allot more hybrids coming way better equipped than my truck did. But either way I love my truck. Just wish I got a better deal
jmo.. if the tundra had a 6.0L V8... these things would be flyin off the lot... people do not buy trucks for gas mileage as we know.... and tech has gone to far especially with the batteries .... jmo
Tundra Dude hi from loyal Toyota owner. I currently have 2015 Tundra TRXPRO and 2017 Sequoia Platinum. Hers where Toyota f****** used. The I use the iforce name to try to make us think it’s going to be like 5.7 L lower horsepower but bulletproof engine. Also this new engine is not made for towing. My service tech said there are a lot of the trucks coming back with shot transmissions. Unheard of in my 2 DINOSAURS as the smart as reviewers stated. I wrote Toyota a letter on the Sequoia and how to make them better, ie softer suspension, more sound insulation, better infotainment and bla bla. They wrote me back. I said we have already made our decision for the new car and we’re not taking any at this time even though this was my fifth Sequoia and second tundra I can tell you I am shopping for the same car with lower mileage I refuse to buy the new stuff. Something about that motor gave you confidence it was never going to leave you stranded!
The entire point of a hybrid should be better fuel economy, add in you lose under seat storage, and you have a huge design miss
Yes, and I’m not convinced Toyota fully researches their customer base - you see it in their continual little miscues on their production models, eg. lack of tow hooks, etc
They turned the Tundra into a F150 Platinumkingchrome, they should have used the Lexus 5.0 engine and kept it simple with an 8speed and not that many electronics and gizmos, oh and the Sequoia's front end.
You are absolutely correct. Dealers should drop the price for iForceMax to the same as or below those without the hybrid batteries. Once they get them off the lot, they shouldn't order them anymore. Toyota should consider bringing back V8 as the cheaper alternative. I'm pretty sure it will continue to sell very well.
The problem isn’t toyota, its the emission standards from the government. Thats why the v8 is gone and being phased out elsewhere
Truth, can’t blame Toyota, but how does GM & Ford continue to crank V8’s out in their trucks?
@bobbyb.1743 from my understanding, it has to do with an emissions number the manufacturer has to hit as a company. Offsetting the internal combustion emission numbers with PHEV and BEV.
@@TundraDude34 V8 Turbo hybrid would've been sweet.
@@bobbyb.1743Their V8s, at least in half tons, will be gone soon. The RAM 1500 V8 is gone. Ford will drop the 5.0 for 2026. The next Gen GM trucks in 2027 will have a 2.7t and 2.7t hybrid.
The pricing where I am wasn't to bad between the I-Force and I-Force Max until Toyota figure out how to put the battery under the hood of the I-Force Max I won't be purchasing one I don't care for my battery being under my rear seat.
I know they aren't in everyone's price range and the numbers don't quite make sense, but I suspect (and yes it's a gambled guess) but knowing a bit about V6 turbos, where the I-Force Max benefits the buyer is in the longevity. My suspicion and why I made that bet myself by buying one was that you're going to see less strain, especially when it comes to towing on those hybrid engines. Note: I come from a family of gamblers 🤣 its a risk but its one I don't mind rolling the dice on.
Yup, since spending on new best to get what you want !!
My 21 sr5 4x4 22k miles is still at the dealership for a coolant leak, saw maybe like 10 new tundras lined up for sale
It's the price of course... no one can afford mortgages, groceries, rent, beer, whatever. I'm not paying a second mortgage for some wheels that can be destroyed as soon as I roll it off the lot. Maybe Toyota should launch a BASIC truck for $32K-$37K... AND I MEAN BASIC!!! With a freakin' V8!! No turbos. If they hybridize a BASIC truck then make it get better mileage in 2W mode and more power in 4WH and 4WL modes. That's just common sense man...
Overpriced and with Bidenomicks high interest rates, it's out of my price range. I live by the mountains and in the winter, no tow hooks sucks and no easy access from both sides to the bed.
Just purchased a Platinum with the Iforce not Max. They’re running great deals and good interest rates. The power in the regular has way more power than I need. The towing and payload is a little higher on the regular motor. The storage and longevity of a hybrid battery kept me away.
the battery taking up all the back seat storage is the biggest negative to me
Toyota has reduced the number of options for each trim and added more cost. They have very few colors options now and the colors are not what most customers want. To get a TRD Pro that cost so much in a color they choose for you is ridiculous. You should get a better option for color and customization at that price. The dealership doesn’t get to order a Tundra that you want. You have to take what they send and still pay a crazy high markup. The way these auto makers are operating is a sure direction to a market crash.
Agree to disagree, every Pro will sell and this is a great truck but no way paying over msrp like many did.
Bring back the 5.7 and get rid of the 6 cylinder turbo.
I’m still driving my 2015 1794 beautiful sunset bronze color , just hit 94,000 miles . Never getting rid of it, unless someone offers me the right price
Resale value when your in the $65,000 plus range sucks!!!!! bank loans will be a joke, the party is over, except for guys that are on a power trip, more plastic then ever, the dealer has you by the balls, for tech problems, car dealers are raping people because sales suck! used truck market is exploding 2022 to 2010, I have a 2018 1794, with 26,000 mles, you could not give a new tundra in trade, Toyota got caught up in the bling game, you compete with realibility and realistic pricing, Gm trucks great paint jobs, great styling, MOTOR FAILURES !all becoming trailer queens!!! GIVE ME A BULLET PROOF 5.7 AND KILLER TRANSMISSION, SORRY FOR THE RANT, MY SON JUST GOT SCREWED BY JEEP DEALER IN ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS NJ FOR OVER $2,200. AND DID NOT DO THE WORK ON BILL. VERIFIED BY CERTIFIED MECHANIC .
Well as an owner of a 23 1794 HV OR I can say while I love the truck, and it tows very well, I am somewhat worried about the engine failures, have had some interior fit and finish rattles, my trailer backup assist doesn't work properly, and generally, I expect more in that dept. from Toyota. For the price of these trucks Toyota needs to do better. I think these issues which are well publicized give people pause at the price point.
I know a guy who bought a new Ford Bronco Raptor for 105k. Makes my 65k 2023 Tundra Platinum look like the deal of the century.
Exactly and Land cruisers were 80-100k years ago, Tundra is a bargain.
I wont have interest in buying the Tundra till they bring back the V8.
You said it! If the extra investment got you 10 more miles a gallon, it’s a justifiable. A little extra torque, or shaving .5 seconds off 0-60 isn’t a reason to drop 3k.
Pitifull mpg, overpriced. I been in the market for a TRD Pro. It’s overpriced by 30%. I refuse to buy it. Take it out the lot and you loose another 20-30% of value. Thanks, but no thanks. Get real on prices.
$25k discount will save it from being doomed
The reliability not known! Turbo engine means high pressure how long will engine last? Repairs down the road? Real work trucks really don't need all the bells and whistles.
Funny how people say work trucks don't need bells and whistles. I've been in construction for 30yrs and i prefer to drive a fully loaded truck not the crappy base model. Who the f cares what someone eles prefers to buy and drive!
Im a 2012 Tundra owner and I love it! I was very suprised when Toyota went to the v6 twin turbo 🤔. I truly hope and believe Toyota will see they will see the error in their ways and go back to the iconic 5.7 motor. STOP THESE WOKE CHANGES.......WE WANT WHAT WE HAVE TRUSTED IN THE PAST!!!!
Unfortunately, that wont happen. EPA standards are pushing the manufacturers this direction. Also, the Tundra is selling better than it has in many, many years. I think realistically, Toyota needs to stay the path, and make these things as reliable as possible. Recalls and TSBs now, mean better engines as the generation matures.
Abolish the EPA and all this goes away. Until then they are going to force their BS into every part of our life and it's not going to get better. Some politicians are heavily invested in green tech and they will force it on us through regulations.
I’ll just keep my 2018 fully loaded Nissan titan. V8, great warranty and zero issues
Solid truck
Love my 18 P4X Titan as well. Not a single issue with mine. Love that VK56.
Nissan trucks are very good. So are their vans, even though I think they've discontinued the vans. I had a buddy get 500k on his high top van and it didn't leak a drop of anything. I don't think Nissan cars are very good anymore, but the trucks still are.
@@Barneyrubble241 the cars are good too. But they really chose poorly on the timing of the cvt release. Needed more time to mature.
$20k off would save it. But after TFL breaking theirs doing absolutely nothing was a big turn off.
i'm very happy with my 2016 platinum with the 5.7. i bought it used and haven't looked back. the previous generation is holding high resale numbers around here. i have no interest in small displacement forced induction engines.
Well said! I think the storage problem is number 1. You would have to have a lockable tonneau for golfing , shooting, etc. I also feel like people worry too much about fuel economy. To me, if a pickup truck gets 15 - 16 MPG in town and 18 to 20 MPG on the road it's good. I look at it like groceries, it's different cost at every checkout. That just my thought's as everyone has a different need when buying these pricey vehicles. 🙂
Who wants to give up the valuable real estate under the back seat and like you mention the price is way out there. 🤦
Totally agree. We use this in-cab space in ours all the time, so it would be seriously missed if it wasn't there to use anymore to the point where we would not choose this configuration alone for this reason. Added price is another deal-breaker at this high price-level and would suspect that payload would be compromised due to the battery weight. We just looked at a '24 limited 6.5' bed that had 1350 lbs of payload, which is 200lbs less than what we have now in our 1/2 ton.
The Iforce max hybrid is expensive, and I believe I can knock it down for thousands of dollars. But, now that I watch you explain the difference, I would pick the Iforce Limited with the TRD package.
Tundra buyers have always viewed that as a 20 plus truck and expect 500,000 or more miles out of it and that was back when they were in the $40,000 range.. if Toyota seriously wants to sell trucks again.. go back to giving the customer the freedom to choose a 4.7 or 5.7 with simple analog gauges inside. Skip all the Star Wars electronics that are going to fail... get the truck back down in price and customers will return.. or stay the course with this built to fail truck and all its complications that are going to continue to turn away sales
When it comes to hybrid the f-150 gives you so much more than just a faster 0-60 time.
Toyota dealership called me yesterday because i purchased a 2019 from them brand new and they are wanting me to trade it in for something newer. Although I was respectful, I let the salesman have it. The amount of money they are asking for these trucks are flat out ridiculous.
Why would anyone pay msrp for a vehicle? Everyone else is discounting $`10,000-$20,000 dollars. Yes, your resale is lower but when you factor in how much less you paid and financed the discounted trucks end up being cheaper over the long run.
I can't bring my self to get a new truck. My 08 TRD is doing well still. Yes my paint don't look as shiny no more and a few dents and a squeaky door but damn these prices.
Maybe driving down the road and towing your boat in a remote location and then having the engine seize has something to do with it.
You said it perfectly. Just bought 2024 TRD. Already busting the bank to get SR5 TRD. No way in hell am I paying 75k for a truck before taxes, fees, insurance etc
I'm hearing some serious quality problems and some engine failures.. there are some unhappy people..
They don't sell because buying a new truck at current prices UNLESS you have already paid off your land and home AND maxed out your retirement investments is (unless you really are wealthy) is a terrible financial choice. Money makes freedom usable and the economy is always full of dangers. I prefer to admire new trucks from my paid-off home enjoying my zero debt life.
Personal trucks are TOYS. Buying used is the wise choice because the new buyer eats many costs which add NOTHING to the vehicle value like sales taxes, "doc fees", property taxes and other BS that totals to real money.
Toyotas are so good why buy a new one? For that money I'd buy a pristine FJ-40 and a beater or two for fun in the dirt.
Over $50K for an SR5??? Thats nuts! I'll be driving my 2016 SR5 5.7 V8 for as long as I can. The new Tundra is ugly, has a smaller fuel tank, larger turning circle, cheap plastic interior, poor quality control, squeaks and rattles, and of course no V8 engine option! Thow in the grotesque pricing and I have no idea why anyone is buying them.
When my 2016 silverado went off warranty in 2020, I bought my 2020 TRD Pro and haven't regret it for a minute. I knew the 5.7 was bullet proof. Fuel economy isn't good but I can live with that due to its reliability. I'll be driving it until the wheels fall off.
Lol 1794 with off-road pack still a unicorn in TEXAS!? BYE BYE TOYOTA! GOT MY F150 LIKE I WANTED NO ISSUES....
I have a 2024 trd pro, $80k..put in top $6k on lift and tires bf at 35'.. loved.....but still have few details, like the delay when accelerate and mpg is like 15 with the new 35' and lift kid level. and by the way....I erase the fake v8 engine sound...
Manufactures need to go back to Base truck…and then let people pick option ALL options. Like u should be able to buy a TRD with just the suspension options..roll up wimdows so forth..like back in the 70s u just clicked 440-6 pack and they dropped it in the car if u wanted a slant 6 u got that same car. At the end of the day..manufactures say hey you want this engine…with more power then u also have to get all this other stuff….need to let people buy ONLY what they want without the bundling…your basicaly saying here is the base truck 45k if u want this one option its 65k…if unwant another option 75k…..instead of saying 50k for the 2 options u want..
I just want a nice cheap work truck. Not some mutant BMW wannabe electronic monster. I want something I can fix minor problems, not some 10 to 15 k repair job from the dealer. Just saw a new tacoma have a software repair and it cost 7k. That is robbery any way you slice it. Also, never want a turbo in any kind of truck. Thats just asking for trouble.
Toyota's tremendous fail putting a hybrid in a pickup that doesn't get significantly better gas mileage. People who want the extra horse power don’t want a hybrid. People who want a hybrid do so for the gas mileage. I was considering a Tundra Hybrid but the gas mileage was a complete fail.
55k is too much for a half ton, these prices are just stupid.
People's wages have stagnated, but cost of living gas skyrocketed. No one with half a brain will buy such an expensive vehicle.
Even TUNDRA SR 4X4 ( base model ) ARE 50K OUT THE DOOR ! Maybe less if you can get them down ! LOLOLOL
They got problems with those engines. One guy didn’t even make it to the first oil change and lost the motor on a 2024 model. Another guy I heard about has 2022 Tundra and is on his 3rd engine. Not good !
Too expensive when my 55k truck now costs 75ish, but I’m not even thinking about it as my 20 is paid for!
It's worth 15k less than you paid....
Get rid of the V-6...No good. I have a 2009 with a 4.7 v-8 with 211k .. I can out perform the v-6 anytime
First off, love your channel. Much like you, I’m a Toyota fanboy. It actually pisses me off that someone like you, who probably loves Tundras more than anyone on the planet, is priced out of the Tundra they really want. But that’s the way of the world now. 2nd, I’m not an engineer but it seems to me as far as longevity goes that the Iforce max might be the way to go. Especially if you tow. There’s no arguing that these 6 cylinder turbos put out more power but it doesn’t tow like the V8. The engine works much harder to do the same amount of towing. So actually the battery may help extend life of the 6 banger since it wouldn’t have to work as hard at low RPMs than the regular. Just a thought. Anyway, always enjoy your channel.
I paid $45.000 for my 2021 SR5 Cewmax when I bought it Brand New. Granted, this was before the car market went absolutely insane.
Should have bought new in 2021 but went used and now bought new 24 Pro, really bugged me being a 2nd owner -uggggg
Cause Tin' tower err, Toyota ... put a motorcycle engines in trucks, and sold em for 2x what they were worth. Lost the brand.
I think Toyota should give us an option with tuned for power or fuel economy, surely this should be possible with a re-flash of the computer. Then we select the economy or sport. Now there’s basically no difference.
Way to expensive that’s why. All vehicle manufacturers are ripping people off for junk products
I Really Want A 1794 Edition Tundra. Might Have To Settle For A Used 2023 However Dealership Is Still Charging 64K. Hopefully I Can Wait For The End Of The Year And Get A Deal. But At The Same Time Still 14K Over What I Want To Pay 🤣
Who cares about a good deal on an Iforce Max. People are getting smarter and saying no government coerced battery vehicles. Buy a V8 from the big three before they are outlawed.
It’s really simple - bought a 2016 limited new for $43k. Same truck now is in the $60k’s - not even close to worth it. Prices need to come down about 30%.
Twin turbo plus hybrid
How much complexity does one need
These are going to be risky used buys
Plus of course the starting price is too high even for the non hybrid so the vehicle is over capitalized already