For someone just embarking on the EOS M system and ML, this video has proven to be immensely helpful. Thank you so much for your amazing, hard work. Love it.
see, you get it! Most other channels test their shots on a static image and I felt like I was a crazy person when I tried to take it outside and none of my settings would work. Thank you for the real-world tests 👍
@@russo-filmmaking if you ever launch a class on going into detail to teach all of the tools you used in your Recreating Hollywood Film Look. Let us know. I'd buy it. What you did in the girl with the dragon tattoo car scene, not just with the color, but with the snow and reflections... It was fantastic. Very advanced for me. I want to learn that :)
Thanks for showing the indoor/outdoor tests with all the modes, definitely will check this video every time I test one of the presets. The tests really show which modes are the most stabile and usable. I was wondering why I was only getting 5 seconds of record time before aha.
thanks!! be sure to make a clean installation of the build, use a sandisk extreme pro card, don't erase single files in the card from your computer: use the low format function built in camera to erase all your files from the card. And follow the process I explain in the video 🙌
I have the same issue, less than 4 sec video. Scoured the internet but not much info on why this happens on EOS M. I followed as above. Done this many times on different Sandisk Ex Pro 170 MB/sec. When I start recording it wont last 4 sec before "Automatically stopping...." I tested the card using Davinci Resolve Speed test. It shows 92.5 MB/sec and all fine up to 6K Videos (green ticked) but no luck on MLV EOS M. May be someone here had the same issue and could advise me? Thanks
@@bosekaspathySometimes swichting the camera off and on again helps, sometimes when I switch presets, change bit depth or change resolution the display shows write speed in yellow or red even, but after changing the same setting back and forth, it somehow goes green and I can record continuously. Sometimes just opening the ML menu and then close it helps when things are glitchy. When I want to test a different ML build, I always uninstall Magic Lantern (can be done from Canon firmware update menu) and then do low level format (Canon menu -> Format card, tick box for low level format) and then install the new build.
Amazing comparison! This is extemely helpful. I think I'll be shooting a lot more in 4.8k 3x1 mode now instead of 5.2k. I thought that the 5.2k would be quite a bit sharper... but now knowing that this isn't the case, I would much prefer to be able to shoot in 12 and 14-bit. Also the comparison of the 1080p on the 3x1 mode to 3x3 is crazy! Huge improvement in 3x1. One major downside about the 3x1 mode is craaaaazy rolling shutter though. I think that is aguably the biggest benefit of the 3x3 1080 mode. You can pan pretty quickly and get handheld footage without everything looking like jello. I find that as soon as you try handheld shots on the 3x1 modes and have any major shaking, the rolling shutter makes everything look much too wobbly.
I agree rolling shutter on 1:3 it's a fact and more on 1:1 mod. I normally use monopod and tripod in my footage, and if I handheld I use stabilized lenses and I try to avoid fast pan shots or rare movement because I don't like shaking movements in my shots: this way to film (and finally this is my natural style) help me to avoid rolling shutter effects. I have various family travel videos in my channel, 100% filmed handheld mainly in 5K or 2.5k and no wobbly effects are present, but this is possible because I'm very careful whit my shootings.
Grazie tante Sergio. This crop mood build sure is spicing up the Magic lantern cine banquet. I just bought another 700d for my kit. The EOS M is rare here in my neck of the woods. My sandisk extreme pro cards just arrived . The regular sandisk extreme 90mbp/s v30 cards I have max out at 50 mbps write.. I`m looking forward to more of your fabulous content.
Thank you so much for making this. I have been pulling my hair out for the last 3 to 4 months, trying to get a grip on what exactly I should be using Crop Mood for, what the most stable settings are, and ones to stay away from. This just took out an immense amount of guess work. Thank you.
Some very helpful details. Crop Mood is definately an adjustment from previous builds and this video has made it a lot easier to get the most out of it. Thank you very very much Sergio.
Sure, if you like to shoot in 2.35:1 aspect ratio this preset gives you an excellent quality with a good crop factor. I'll try to shoot some video with this preset pushing on color grading and see if we can confirm that it's the best way to go
Thanks!! 5.2K 14bit works well if there is no much contrast in the image and light is very soft and probably you have to underexpose just a little bit in some cases. 5.2K 12bit is more versatile in more complicate light situations. I prefer to use 4.8K 12bit in brights environments and 14bit in low lights environments for filming without any worries
Havent watched it till the end but already want to thank you for showcasing all the modes and the pros and cons of them! This is so valuable for everyone coming in new or like me who has away and comes back to catch up! :)
Thank you!! I'm glad you think the video was helpful. Check this new video, it could be interesting if you want to get into the crop mood world and want to know the differences between these two amazing cameras (the 700d and the EOSM) with crop mood installed ruclips.net/video/efbaBspY77Q/видео.html
@@russo-filmmaking I have already made up my mind i want to go as small as possible after having a heavy blackmagic rig :) so eosm1 it is. Have now ordered Meikes 35mm f1.4 but obviously the canon 22mm f2 would be even better size wise. Im just not sure if its really to tiny to pull focus and I assume its focus by wire which never has been the best thing for manual focusing....
@@russo-filmmaking Do you have suggestions for neckstrap options? As i recall the eosm itself has some stupid non universal lugs and i'd rather 3d print if there are designs available than to search for second hand original straps
I’m sorry, honestly I can’t help because I don’t use it. So I didn’t any search for other options. If you have a cage, I know there are some neck straps with quick release connectors that you can attach to the cage
great video once again, and i have the exact same conclusions. This crop mood is just awesome, and on top of that with the liveview now i get way less out of focus :)
Thank you, Sergio - this has been incredibly useful, it has answered many questions and saved me a lot of time too. Beautifully made and presented video!
I just found your channel and it’s really interesting. I have held off picking an EOS M for a year now, because I think it’s a hassle to use, especially from what I see on RUclips. May I ask if you are always conscious of these settings, anytime you pick up the camera to shoot? Or it’s a set and forget about it case? I like the visuals of these ML+EOS M. A very informative video.
Thanks!! Once you have installed and configured the build, you do not have to repeat the operation every time you turn the camera off and turn on again. The same goes with your shooting settings: bit-depth, crop mood 3x1, 3x3 or 1:1, resolution, etc.... they will be the same of last time you turned off your camera. Each time you turn off the camera all the setting are preserved and they will be the same once you turn it back on
@@russo-filmmaking Thank you very much for the response. I have seen others turn this EOS M frenzy into rocket science, and that kinda scares people like me a way 😂.
@@cosmashono7665 Surely there is a learning curve, but once you understand how the camera works everything is very simple and it is a real pleasure to use it and film with it.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with this new mode. Do you think this new mode is definitely superior to the previous one? In the previous build I recorded music concert videos using the 2k recording option as it was more stable and could record more than 10 minutes continuously. Do you think crop mood could be a better and safer recording option?
you can get green continuous recording in 2.35:1 aspect ratio in 5.2k 10bit, 4.8k 12bit, 4.4k 14bit , 2.5k 12 and 14bit, 2.8k 12bit and in 16:9 aspect ratio 4.2K 14bit, all this modes don't have almost any aliasing or moire artifact and have fluid real time live view. Moreover you always have the possibility to shoot in 2k or 1080P 14bit . In my opinion the change to this new build is totally worth
Thank you for your videos Sergio!!! they are very very helpful!, for the 4.8K you need to change the aspect ratio to 2:1 , that is going to give you a resolution 1600x2400 , higher than 1600x2040 when you leave it at 2:35:1, frame rate will change to 23.30 instead of 23.976
Are you using the 170MB or 200MB version of the Sandisk Extreme Pro? I have two Sandisk Extreme Pro 64MB cards the0 170MB/s versions and it seems mine seems to be peaking at about 74MB/s while recording however you seem to be hitting a full 80MB/s consistently so you seem to be able to hit a bit higher on your exposures because it stops recording. I noticed you had mentioned that 2.35:1 aspect ratio in 5.2k 10bit should be GREEN recording and stable I seem to miss the mark just by a little because of my 74MB/s transfer speed. If I underexpose slightly it seems work or if I slightly reduce the resolution (*at the expense of more crop) it also works.
When the horizontal pixel count is 1280 (with 16:9 UHD, 12-bits, 2.18 crop) and the magic 3X (1x3) is applied upon export from the MLV app, we get 3840x2160 video upon import to Resolve. Works perfectly! I think this by far is the optimal solution.
EOS M shooters are used to croping in camera something almost never done by those using other cameras. The letterbox look which I've seen demanded is almost always applied when editing. You want the maximum sized image for editing. The loss of resolution using 16:9 UHD compared to 4.8k is made up for by not needing to scale to 1080p or 2160p, despite being popular here, is something to be avoided!
If you export it as prores or other codecs different from DNG yes you will get a 3840x2160 file ready to work in Davinci. If you export DNG from MLV to Davinci than you have to desqueeze it in Davinci
Edited ChatGPT: Up-scaling a video image can result in blurriness, distortion, and a loss of sharpness, especially if the scaling factor is high. This is because the software or algorithm used to upscale the image has to create new pixels, which may not accurately represent the original image. Down-scaling a video image can lead to a loss of detail, especially if the scaling factor is significant. Fractional scaling (less than 1.0 scaling) can result in a loss of detail and clarity, especially if the scaling factor is very small. The effect on video image quality will depend on the scaling factor. If the scaling factor is close to 1.0, the impact on image quality may be minimal. However, if the scaling factor is much smaller, the image may appear blurry, and there may be a loss of detail and clarity. In conclusion, the effects of scaling on video image quality depend on the scaling factor and the algorithm used for scaling.
@@S.Mullen Sure when you upscale you loose quality. But if you upscale in the correct way and you make your color correction using CDNG files you can get great results if your final delivery is for RUclips. Moreover the quality you can get with Topaz AI for example, it's amazing, a lot better than the super scale function that we have in Davinci.
Ciao, grazie tanto per le tue parole. Ho usato un signa 18-35mm sulla Canon EOS M, en un sigma 17-50mm sulla BMPCC 4K con la quale riprendevo lo schermo della EOS M in interni..... Per riprendere los schermo della eos M in esterni ho usato un cellulare e purtroppo quelle immagini sono brutte perché non ho pensato a coprire los schermo della EOS M dai riflessi.
Thank you for this video so much! it helped me understand all of this better than ever . please do more videos like this, and may I ask what lengths did you use?
thanks a lot for showing us the noise level difference regarding bit depth. 12 bit really seems to be the sweetspot for getting longer recording times. I've noticed you changed the aperture by using the scroll wheel. How did you enable that? I've been using the arrow buttons through the "customized button option" but scroll wheel is so such smoother!
Thanks!! what I do is to set in "customized button option" left and right wheel for aperture. Then when you want to change the aperture, you have to click and hold for about a second the right wheel and after that, quickly scroll the wheel. After some second the function is disable and if you scroll the wheel you change the shutter. So each time you want to change the aperture you have again to hold for a second or just a little bit the left wheel to activate again the function, and then scroll the wheel.
I'm so new that I don't even know how you get all that info on the liveview... (audio, temp, shutter, iso, etc). Regardless thank you for all the information on ML!
Sergio I love your content, you are an extraordinary kind person to share all this knowledge with the world. So thank you. I have just ordered a Canon EOS M. Just one question has come to mind as I have only seen very short clips (all fantastic quality), how difficult will it be to make an hour long film using this system?
Thank you!! If your question is about whether you can film 1 hour continuously without stop recording, the answer is yes, you can, by configuring the camera with a certain resolution, color depth, and specific settings. The ambient temperature also influences to ensure the camera doesn't overheat. However, honestly, filming continuously in RAW for an hour is not the best decision, nor is this camera the most suitable for it, because one hour of continuous RAW recording, it’s equivalent to an huge file of approximately 150-180 GB. I'm sure no one wants that. If you are asking if you can film a 1 hour project like for example a documentary or a future film, yes you can film it because finally the 1 hour project is the results of the edition of a lot of short clips. For long continuously shots (more than 10 minutes continuously recordings) I suggest to use the native eosM 8bit video (not ML), mainly because of the big files generated through ML.
What does crop factor 1.61, 1.73 or 2.01 mean? Relative to a full frame or relative to the aps-c camera sensor? Is the whole sensor used for video or only small part of it... that will give less pixels by the end of the day?
The crop factor is relative to a full frame, it means if you use a 50mm lens in a aps-c sensor it will be approximately equivalent to a 80mm full frame lens (50 x1.6). Depending of the resolution you choose in your canon eos M this crop factor can reach more than x 3
You are a great fan of cinema, generous for sharing this valuable knowledge for those of us who are learning to use this camera. To film outdoors while walking and so that I can see live in real time and with a sandisk extreme pro 170mbs, what do you recommend? And how many minutes could you film continuously without raising the temperature or cutting off the reading?
thanks!! As far I didn't try to film more than 5 minutes. Normally my I film from a few seconds to maximum a few minutes, and I didn't had any issue: I will make some test as soon as possible on longer recording time. Temperature rise quickly and I think it's not recommended to exceed 54 degrees. I get always around 40-50 degree but here the ambient temperature is warm, 26 degree in interiors and more than 30 degree outside. A genuine Sandisk Pro Extreme SD card 170mb is a perfect Sd card for the Canon EOS M.
Thank you so much Sergio this video helped me understand how crop mood worked :) I just had a question about crop factors, what settings would you use if you wanted to film in 4:3?
I would use 2 options: 1) set crop mood to 3x3 1080p 16:9 14bit, then after refresh with the menu button, in raw tab select under aspect ratio 4:3 and under resolution rotating the wheel select 1152x1160. With this method you'll get 4:3 continuous recording, and you have to set kill global draw to off because otherwise you will not be able to see correctly the 4:3 framing. 2) this second method is the one I prefer because has more quality and less aliasing: use the setting for 1x3 4.2k 16:9 14bit that I explained in the video (leave kill global draw to on) and then in post-production crop sideways the image to get 4:3 aspect ratio. You'll get continuos recording, no aliasing, more quality
Fantastic video! 4.8k, 12b, 23.97 works great. Questions: 4/18 or 4/19 release? What Canon settings did you need to make? How to enable CAE and CAF? How to get arrows to control ISO and Aperture?
Thanks. Continuous Auto Focus doesn't work with this build (it works with Danne built even if it's very bad and I would never use it), with the crop mood only the half shutter auto focus works very well. Sorry but I don't understand what you mean with CAE, I don't know what it is. You have to use the last build which is 4/19. Regarding other answers very soon I'll post a video on how crop mood works with HDMI monitors, how half-shutter AF works, how to customize the buttons and other interesting things, Stay tuned
@@russo-filmmaking Thank you for such a quick reply! (1) Everytime I try to use 4/19 it reports "Detection error, doesn't look like a 100D" 4/18 works fine. (2) Looks like you can boot ML directly in Video mode. Nice. (3) Seems during boot of ML the Canon gui is correctly set! True? (4) "C" = Continuous So we have OTF "One touch AF" but not the more desirable OTAF/AE. Thus, Aperture must be dialed in. (5) No EZ way to adjust ISO. (6) No Histogram, yet I've seen in a demo! But, maybe these come with the 4/19 release? (7) Curious--if the horizontal pixel count is 1280 (in 16:9 UHD) when the magic 3x is applied don't we get 3840x2160 which is what we want. (8) I don't think these are Crop settings, aren't they Binning settings? THANK YOU!
@@russo-filmmaking I shot a card full of 16/0 uhd and found a focus issue. At home when I half-press shutter I see a white box that turns green upon focus, When I was in the field, that didn't happen even tho I didn't change anything. Any ideas?
Also, I noticed that at times the camera was using AF! Even said "AF." Also I read that AF will be used if one turns off "... Hacks." Have you tried this?
Hello, thanks for your posts! I’m taking the plunge into Magic Lantern tomorrow or Thursday. I just bought an EOS M and SD cards. Is the Crop Mood the latest version? Is there a previous version I should start with? On the Magic Lantern website the version is from 2018. Thanks in advance!
The last magic lantern version is the crop mood. The last crop mood version was release this month on may 9th. Here is the link bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR0vf7VAGxkz5IzrEmPBMcI5P4zpmv8MQ0l4puPK85rveKcr1ZJBB2ziErI you have to download the following file magiclantern-crop_mood.2023May09.EOSM202
796p from this camera is sharper than 1080p from mine, although aliasing is bad. Also why does the panning cause so much flicker on things like the poles in the foreground at 14:53 ? The one on the right jiggles like crazy. The moire comparison is crazy again. Very big differences that make you think twice about the settings and the gear you select.
I think that what you noticed is not flicker , the clip was shot a 23.98 FPS with the slow shutter 1/50. Probably it happened because of the low shutter speed (like when you shoot on film) and my distracted and not smooth pan
Hi, I normally use 4.8k 12bit 2.35:1 aspect ratio or 4.2k 14bit 16:9. And with these mode 90% of rec is green and sometime when light it's to high can get some orange. I also made some test filming 5.2k 12bit in bright ambient getting orange all the time for more than 3 minutes , and I didn't had any dropped frames, only beautiful images. Green is very secure, and orange works as well, it's more risky but you can use it for some minutes without any problem. The best thing we can do it's try and test for ourself and choose the better mode that works for us🙌
Thanks!! this is the link, bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR1JV0kB9wVc703dFseBsjL7VNOrbw5SgFNznGSIfsMJB00gjOxV5LwKslk you have to download the one for the EOS M which is named "magiclantern-crop_mood.2023Apr18.EOSM202"
Here is the link bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR0vf7VAGxkz5IzrEmPBMcI5P4zpmv8MQ0l4puPK85rveKcr1ZJBB2ziErI you have to download the following file magiclantern-crop_mood.2023May09.EOSM202
@@russo-filmmaking THANKS A LOT SERGIO! I will try this now. Is it possible to get clean 14 bit HDMI out from EOS-M camera for recording on Ninja V or Shogan?
@@russo-filmmaking I mean, I want to do external recording on Atomos Shogan screen. It records direct on SSD with clean HDMI from camera. Feelworld is just moniter, dosn't record in it self. Is it possible?
Antes del crop mood de Bilal había la versión de Danne que funcionaba muy bien, y era la mejor disponible. Pero en muchos modos e resoluciones no permitía ver las imágenes en tiempo real durante la filmación. Y muchas resoluciones no funcionaban bien. Además había problemas usando ciertos modos con los monitores externos. Crop mood ha solucionado todo eso, facilitando además la filmación en camera lenta. Ahora Danne empesó a trabajar sobre el crop mood de Bilal y hay una nueva versión del crop mood con modificaciones de Danne. La última versión es de febrero pero todavía sigue trabajando en ella. Es la versión que actualmente estoy usando. A nivel de calidad y estabilidad no aporta nada, pero Danne a echo modificaciones que facilitan el setting de todos los parámetros y una mejor distribución del menú, anexando algunos prestes bastantes útiles con ralacion a ciertos aspect ratio.
@@russo-filmmaking Gracias por responder :) . he estado probando la version que me has dicho, y he notado que con la version original de Bilal tengo mejor rendimiento... he hecho un deep format y todo lo necesario, pero creo que me quedo con la original de Bilal. Un saludo!
I was just wondering how you find the magic zoom option? Or better still how you work towards focusing? My box is very jittery 2:35:1 mode with magic zoom. Many thanks
Very soon I'll post a video in which I'm testing HDMI monitor, half-shutter AF, how I set the camera for all the modes (including the magic zoom option, and how I use it), and how I customize the buttons. Stay tuned!!
This is great thank you. I have one problem, even when I set the fps to 25p, it still delivers the footage at 29.97. Also, do you have a recommendation for a fast card? I was looking at SanDisk extreme pro 200mbps (not sure of the write speed of this card, which I more important I guess)
Stick with 23.976 FPS, It's the standard for filmmaking. It's the most stable frame rate. In my last video I talk on how to set the native canon menu and what SD card to use. Check it: if you are starting now with the EOS M, it'll give you a solid guideline on how to set your camera correctly in order to work perfectly with crop mood.
Thanks for this informative video. I have never shot with mirrorless cameras. My experience is with higher end cinema cameras. I also teach Cinematography. I have watched some impressive EOS M / ML videos by skilled cinematographers including you. But I am bit confused by the actual resolution of this crop mood. It seems always losing horizontal resolution although it is named as 3K, 4K etc. What is the maximum horizontal resolution we can get and how long we can record the video. Could you please explain it a bit more. Thanks.
In the video I show all the different modes and what they means at 2:30: 1:1 which read all the horizontal and vertical lines. For example we can use 2.5K 2.35:1 aspect ratio which resolution is 2520x1072 or we can use 3k 2:39:1 aspect ratio which resolution is 3072x1284. The only problem with 1:1 mode is the crop factor. Then we have a lot of choices with the 1x3 mode, known as anamorphic mode, which read all the lines of our image and bin three columns to one. It has a better crop factor. For example 5.2k anamorphic mode, 2.35:1 aspect ratio, has a crop factor x1.6 and has a resolution of 1736 x 2214: then in post you have to desqueeze the image multiply the horizontal resolution by 3. So 1,736x3= 5,208 letting the vertical resolution the same 2,214 ( for this reason its name is 5.2K, 5208x2214). Quality is excellent and the 1x3 mode is my preferred mode as far. All my video in the channel are filmed in anamorphic mode 4.2K for 16:9 aspect ratio, 4.8K for 2.35:1 aspect ratio and 4.6k for 2.20:1 aspect ratio.
Thank you so much for your explanation.@@russo-filmmaking. Quite clear and precise explanation. I am quite used to shooting with Super 35 (APS C) which was the standard film format before full frame invasion. But all these choices are a welcome. Please allow me to ask two more questions. 1) Does the binning introduce moiré? 2) By your experience watching all the original footage without YT compression, do you think the resolution is good for a 2K film output for projection? Thanks agin for your valuable input.
@@Maheel_Perera Moire and Aliasing is introduced when you shoot in 3X3 mode and only in certain situations. In 1x3 or 1:1 I never had problem with aliasing or moire. If you handle the cDNg files from ML in the correct way into Davinci Resolve, resolution for 2K film output for projection is at the same level of other superior cinema cameras. The only problem is that you have a more limited dynamic range, about only 11 stops, nothing that you can't handle lighting in the right way.
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks again. A professional who is familiar with the pro workflow and concerns. Your replies contained all the information I wanted to know. Dynamic Range is not a problem as my work does not involve run and gun/ vlog work. Thank you Sergio. 🖕
@@russo-filmmaking The thing is watching other youtubers, the process of shooting with this camera seems to be a bit more dificult but you make it look easier. Well, let's see if we can find any good bargain 🤞🏻
For sharper footage 1x1 crop mood mode and 2.5K, 2.8K or 3k resolutions at 12bit are the best choice. The only problem that you have to take in count with 1x1 mode is the crop factor which is in some case more than x3, and the rolling shutter, so you are going to need wide angle lens 10-12-15mm for wide shots.
@@anandpianolover I was using a lot in the past 2.5K (with Dane build when Crop mood didn't exist) and I was using the canon kit lens canon15-45 F/3.5-6.3, because of internal stabilization. It works well with light because aperture in no so fast. With low light you have to rise the iso generating some noise, that you can eliminate in post; and stabilization works very well. There are cheap primes lenses like 7artisans with a good aperture like the 12mm F2.8 M-mount (no stabilization) or some C-lenses too. The lens depends of what you are going to film and your personal taste. I prefer to shoot in 1x3 4.8K for example using 25 or 35 or 50mm lenses for a shallow depth of field, that you can't achieve with wide lenses.
all the preset 3x3 and 1x3, 10-12bit excluding 5.2k, and HFR, with the correct exposure of the image. You can also get a long time recording in 14bit depending of resolution and lighitng.
Hi, first be sure to set your resolution project with the correct aspect ratio which is 2.35:1, so in this case (4.8k) you have to set the Davinci Project resolution to 4800x2040. Because when you film in 4.8K your resolution is 1600x2040 where you have to multiplay 1600x3= 4800. After that selecting the clip or various clips at the same time in your media pool or your timeline, go to your inspector tab, select retiming and scaling, then scaling, and from the pop menu select stretch. Your clip (or clips) now will have the correct aspect ratio. In case of 4.8k I suggest you to set the project with 1600x 680 ( where 680 is 2040/3), then use the stretching method I explain above, and make your editing and color. Finally when the project is ready before to export it, change your project setting to 4800x2040 and export it super-scaling tx3 (for better quality). Working on a lower resolution (but with the correct aspect ratio) It will help you during the editing process if you don't have a powerful pc or Mac
@@russo-filmmaking This is a Great explanation about how to work and de-squeeze the footage Sergio, thanks for clarify all this, nobody in RUclips care or want to explain this details, you should do a Video, even if it is short explaining all this aspect ratios and how to de-squeeze them, I am sure it will have a lot of viewers. One question I have for you is, I have an anamorphic scope 2x, how can I use it with eos m ML crop mood in 1x3 4.8k or 5.2k? you need it to be 4:3 or 3:2 apect ration, and I do not see it it crop mood , only in Raw video, but If I select 4:3 in Raw video, because of crop mood, the video at the end is still 1600x2040, the 4:3 aspect ratio selected in raw video has no effect at all, or it is not possible?
Hello Sergio! Thank you for your videos! I've noticed that when I convert MLV files to MLV App (settings: Codec - CinemaDNG Uncompressed, Default Naming Scheme) my computer's processor heats up to 95 degrees. If you use the DUAL ISO function when shooting, then the heating of the CPU is 58-60 degrees. (But the processing time is greatly increased). With envelopes in PRORES, the temperature reaches almost 100 degrees. Do you have the same? And one more question (this is related to the volume of files). You showed very well that in CROP MODE you can use 12 bit instead of 14 bit for shooting, the difference is not so great. So the question is, can you share your experience of optimal preparation of MLV Files in MLV App for subsequent work in the Davinchi Resove program? Thanks a lot!
thanks: I only export I cDNG uncompressed (quick but heavy files) or cDNG lossless (a little slower but smaller files), almost no quality difference between the two methods. I don't know the temperature of my laptop when I export the file, but it seems ok (I use a MacBook M1 Pro). I don't like to use prores or other compressed codecs. When I export cDNG I don't make any preparation in ML ( I only turn on focus dots map): cDNG is a Raw file and it contains all the information a quality you need to make your adjustment in Davinci Resolve.
Hello, first of all thanks for your video, very usefull content there! I do have a question regarding the 4.2K 16/9, what pixel map do u use with MLV to get rid of the dots? Ive been testing tghe maps from Bilal, but itt just doesnt do the tricks for me. Any idea to come around that problem? Thx in advance!
there is not a map for 4.2K 16:9, I mentioned it to Bilal and probably he will release a map for this preset. A work around that work very well is to set color smooth to 3x3
@@russo-filmmaking Ah okay so you're editing on MLV then save it to a video format of your choice. No DNG direct to Davinci! Sounds good, let's see if they update the pixelmap at some point! Thank u for ur answer! Good evening to u.
@@GratouLaFifouille I export DNG Lossless Raw from MLV to Davinci Resolve where I make my editing and color correction. In my Channel there are various videos regarding my workflow with EOS DNG files in Davinci Resolve. In MLV you have to enable RAW correction and into it, in the Croma Smooth tab you have to select 3x3. Then export it as DNG file
This is brill - newbie here so very grateful - I have installed magic lantern but crop mood install confuses me re installation - should crop mood install separately from magic lantern or should it overwrite before installing from sd card ? There are no install videos that I can see on RUclips , any links or tutorials I would be grateful for Thanks again !
You have to format your SD card in a PC or Mac as exFAT, then you have to copy in it the last crop mood built. It's a little complicate to explain here.
Hi great video. I just got the eos m and crop mood is malfunctioning. I can't record in 1080. And when I get there my video doesn't look good. Full grain full of red and blue pixel. Like 90s camera quality An idea ? THANKS
14 and 12 bit definitively ! So (sorry Im new in video) for anamorphic you shoot with normal lens and crop in post prod to have a standard aspect ratio ? So we could shoot anamorphic 1080 in 57 fps ? No 60 fps is my biggest drawback even if Im gonna buy my first camera/EOS M cause I want to shoot music videos and wildlife but 57 fps anamorphic would be as good ! Your shots when you explain look outstanding ! But I can notice a very small green edge do you know what it is ?
Yes you shoot with regular lenses in 1x3 mod and then in post you stretch the image. If you shoot in 3x3 mode and want a wide aspect image you have to select 2.35:1 aspect ratio in your settings. In this case you don't need to stretch the image. when you shoot in 57 HFR the aspect ratio is 2.35.1 and in post you don't need to de-squeeze. Only in 1x3 mode you have to de-desqueeze. I don't know what do you mean for green edge, I don't see it. Monitor, cell phones, iPad, TV and in general all the display can make the image different, it depends on how the display is calibrated.
@@russo-filmmaking Its really thin but only the shoots of you explaining, I see it cause Im too closed to a 4K LED monitor but Its barely not noticeable, Its the edge of sharp subject not the edge of the frame. You can see it in the first shot of the video at the first seconds and 17:00 look the right and left edge of the shirt, as well as with the logo of your tee shirt
Hi! Please help, I installed it as you said, also selected the modes (crop_rec, and all the mlv modes), but I dont have the raw and crop options on the movie settings. Any idea what could it be?
To help you with your question I need to know what version of crop mood have you installed ? the Aug19 2023 Bilal Crop Mood ? or the Crop Mood modified by Danne Feb19 2024 version?
@@russo-filmmaking actually I had to install an older version, from 2023. I was able to make the raw and crop option appear, but maximum I can film is 1724x1024. Don't know why. And also it films 3-4s and then automatically stops. Any idea what could it be?
What performance do you refer? if you are talking about mb/sec and you get more than 75mb/sec you are ok. Depending of mode, resolution and bit depth I use, I'm in the range 75-80 mb /sec
Hi thanks!! I'm waiting my 700d, I bought one about a few weeks ago.I 'll make a test comparison between these two cameras, but as far people say that the image quality is the same
Hola, con este nuevo build puedes filmar in 5.2K, 4.8k, 2.8k hasta 12-14bit y teniendo tu preview durante la filmación en tiempo real y grabación continua. Puedes filmar en 2.5K 14bit en grabación continua. Puedes usar un monitor externo con todos los modes sin preocupación de pink frames. Todo esto no era posible antes en los builds anteriores. En general este build acerca mas la canon eos M a camera de faja superior almenos por lo que esta relacionado a su forma de operar.
If you are using a slightly slower SD card (less then 100MB/s) then make sure to set your Access Mode to SDR50 in SD Overclock menu. I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s which runs fine, but didn't work at the default SDR104 setting.
@@JoaoSilva22222 2.5k is 1:1, and it’s the best mod to avoid aliasing and moire. The counter part is that it has bad roller shutter. But if you use a weighted rig when you film handheld , or a tripod , and your camera movement are not crazy you will not have any problem.
Hi Sergio. In 4.8k, 14bit, 1x3, I get continuous recording only if keep aspect ration to 5:1. Only then it shows at the bottom that continuous recording is okay at 62 MB/s. If i keep the aspect ratio at 2.35:1, data rate at the bottom shoots up to 130 MB/s and it says expect 38 to 44 frames at 80MB/s. I wonder if keeping the aspect ratio at 5:1 is the correct way. What do you suggest? Thank you.
Hi, actually I shoot 4.8K 14bit 2.35:1 when I'm in interiors and I can get continuous recording as long as the temperature of the camera allows me. When I reach 51 degree I stop it. In exterior I use 4.8k 12bit 2.35:1 and if you don't overexpose you can get continuous recording too (always being aware that the temperature not to exceed 51 degrees). You can also shoot outside 4.8k 14bit 2.35:1 if light is not too harsh
@@barryofori yes, sorry I was a little distracted. Here is the link for Danne Build for 5d and there is two version depending of the firmware that you are using: if you look at the zip file names they have a version on the end bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magic-lantern_dannephoto_git/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR2IFtFHyJgZCi5-Ht-2O-KQaJj58Wl7unQ9TYqN7-fIh5d0mQUpR3mHPDA
Brother, Can you help share the ML build link please? Plus I recently purchased a C-Mount zoom lens, and tried a 3x crop with 1080p mode. However, the record button doesn’t work. I thought something wrong with the camera and powered down and on again. Still the same record button doesn’t work issue. But when I change to Canon 50mm f/1.8 in 3x corp with 1080p mode then the record button works. Ah it worked I thought. Again once I change back to the C-Mount zoom lens, surprisingly still the record button doesn’t function at all. Feeling quite strange to understand how come for a normal lens the 3x is working and not for C-Mount zoom lens. Am I doing anything wrong here?
Here is the link bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR0vf7VAGxkz5IzrEmPBMcI5P4zpmv8MQ0l4puPK85rveKcr1ZJBB2ziErI you have to download the following file magiclantern-crop_mood.2023May09.EOSM202 Honestly I don't know why your c-mount zoom doesn't work. I own only a c-mount lens and it works properly. Try to ask in the FB group, I'm sure someone could ask your question
@@russo-filmmaking I own the Extreme Pro 95MB/s yet, I understand that's the actual reading speed, not the writing speed. Both the 170 and the 95 say they have writing speeds of up to 90MB/s. So I guess that would be the same regardless.
@@chermanaquino8009 if you use crop mood and SanDisk Extreme pro 95MB try to set SDR50 under SD Overlock 240Hz tab to better the performance. I talk about this at the minute 7:50 in my second video about crop mood, this one ruclips.net/video/2fmlfWhF3UM/видео.html
Absolutely yes, it's a very stable built. But first, if you are not familiar with the crop mood, do all the tests to learn more about the options that are best suited to your needs and to have a complete and safe control over the EOS M. If you want a 16:9 aspect ratio try the (3X3) 1080P or UHD 12 or 14bit options and (1x3) 4.2k 16:9 12-14bit option
If I want to shoot some pictures, what I do, it's when I turn on the camera I press and hold the set button. This will bypass the crop mood magic lantern hack, and I select manual photo mode other than movie mode. Now you will be able to use the camera in its native way. To return to the crop mood: I turn off the camera and I turn on again this time without pressing the set button, and obviously I switch from photo mode to movie mode.
I having a hard time with the external monitor. I got it to work with the crop mood, but none of the information at the top and bottom displays, and when I go to the menu it’s super zoomed in so I can’t read it. Can you help me?
@@Theclevercadaver under the display tab,"HDMI output". I let it turned ioff, but you can try with the options availables and see if you can solve the problem. Be sure to have "global draw on all modes". Also try your monitor with kill global draw on and kill global draw off. And finally check your resolution ( if you set a resolution different from the crop mood presets, probably it could be the problem)
Hallo Sergio. What Memory card are you using and what write speeds do you get when running the benchmark and do you run the test in Photo or Movie mode ? Asking since i can barely get any settings to become green...
I used for 14 months a Sandisk Extreme Pro 170MB/s 256Gb, it dead just a few days ago after filming my short film. Now I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 200MB/s 256G: Last time I ran a benchmark was about 3 month ago with Danne Build and I only remember that I get around 75MB/s in movie mode. Green depends in which mode do you film and bit depth. I can shoot 4.8k 14 bit or 5.2K 12bit continuos if lighting is well exposed with no very bright areas
@@russo-filmmaking All of a sudden the 240option doesn't do anything so I have to use the 192 option now.. Maybe my card is breaking down. I'm using bilals build btw.
probably You can use the touchscreen instead of the set button. But I suggest you to buy a cheap replacement for the button interface on Aliexpress and there is quite a bit of content on how to replace that interface in the EOS M mlvr raw facebook group
@@russo-filmmaking thank you for answering. I ordered from Aliexpress and will repair it as soon as it arrives. I found a repair video on RUclips for key replacement.
I get the "Movie Recording Stopped Automatically" right when i press the record button no matter what the exposure is. Ive tried 3 different SD cards. If anyone could help that would be amazing. Thank you
I have an external mic that I connect directly to the camera when I film , and connect it to my Mac when I grab my voice over. I don’t have an external audio recorder ( external mic and external audio recorder are different gears)
if you export in cinemaDNG from MLV to Davinci Resolve, you have to de-squeeze the footage in Davinci Resolve, You can do that easily, setting the correct aspect ratio in your project and then stretching your clips in the Retiming and scaling tab under the inspector. If you export your clip from MLV as prores, MLV automatically will stretch your clip.
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks for the reply! I have some Super 16 lenses so I like to shoot with a 3x crop, but in 16x9, is 1:1 1440p the highest resolution I can do that in?
did you tried 1x3 4.2K or 1X3 UHD 16:9 aspect ratio, both are amazing even if crop factor is only about 2x: give then a try, probably they can work. In 1:1 mode 1440P is the only option.
Hi, first be sure to set your resolution project with the correct aspect ratio which is 2.35:1, so in this case (4.8k) you have to set the Davinci Project resolution to 4800x2040. Because when you film in 4.8K your resolution is 1600x2040 where you have to multiplay 1600x3= 4800. After that selecting the clip or various clips at the same time in your media pool or your timeline, go to your inspector tab, select retiming and scaling, then scaling, and from the pop menu select stretch. Your clip (or clips) now will have the correct aspect ratio. In case of 4.8k I suggest you to set the project with 1600x 680 ( where 680 is 2040/3), then use the stretching method I explain above, and make your editing and color. Finally when the project is ready before to export it, change your project setting to 4800x2040 and export it super-scaling tx3 (for better quality). Working on a lower resolution (but with the correct aspect ratio) It will help you during the editing process if you don't have a powerful pc or Mac
@@russo-filmmaking Shouldn't the movie export be 1920x1080 or 3840x2160? All these other resolutions are not video formats. Really only need 1920x1080 since 4k tvs will do the upscale with hardware. Only interested in 4k because almost every tv now is 4k and they are dirt cheap--like $250.
@@S.Mullen I come from Italian cinematography, when about 20 years ago I filmed different project in 35mm and 16mm. So I film almost all the time in 2.35:1 which is my prefer aspect ratio. Movies or a lot of cinematographic TV series are mainly filmed in 2.35:1 or 2.39:1. You can easily work in 1920x1080 or 3840x2160 Ultra HD using 1x3 4.2k 16:9 which I explained in the video or 3x3 1080P mode . This are the correct modes in order to export in 16:9 aspect ratio from Davinci, which is the format that you like.
check if in your raw tab bit-depth is set to lossless. If not you have to set it to lossless and never touch it again. You have to set your bit depth only from the crop mood tab
@@russo-filmmaking thanks for your reply. I checked and it was on 14 bit lossless. So strange it worked like a week ago. But everything is green and the after 7sec it hangs and i have to pull out the battery
For someone just embarking on the EOS M system and ML, this video has proven to be immensely helpful. Thank you so much for your amazing, hard work. Love it.
You're very welcome! Thanks!!
see, you get it! Most other channels test their shots on a static image and I felt like I was a crazy person when I tried to take it outside and none of my settings would work. Thank you for the real-world tests 👍
I'm glad the video was helpful
@@russo-filmmaking if you ever launch a class on going into detail to teach all of the tools you used in your Recreating Hollywood Film Look. Let us know. I'd buy it. What you did in the girl with the dragon tattoo car scene, not just with the color, but with the snow and reflections... It was fantastic. Very advanced for me. I want to learn that :)
Thanks for showing the indoor/outdoor tests with all the modes, definitely will check this video every time I test one of the presets. The tests really show which modes are the most stabile and usable. I was wondering why I was only getting 5 seconds of record time before aha.
thanks!! be sure to make a clean installation of the build, use a sandisk extreme pro card, don't erase single files in the card from your computer: use the low format function built in camera to erase all your files from the card. And follow the process I explain in the video 🙌
Thank you very much for that comment. I did a deep format of the card; and I can record 3:28min.
@@vladimirvalse Where is the deep format option?
I have the same issue, less than 4 sec video. Scoured the internet but not much info on why this happens on EOS M. I followed as above. Done this many times on different Sandisk Ex Pro 170 MB/sec. When I start recording it wont last 4 sec before "Automatically stopping...." I tested the card using Davinci Resolve Speed test. It shows 92.5 MB/sec and all fine up to 6K Videos (green ticked) but no luck on MLV EOS M. May be someone here had the same issue and could advise me? Thanks
@@bosekaspathySometimes swichting the camera off and on again helps, sometimes when I switch presets, change bit depth or change resolution the display shows write speed in yellow or red even, but after changing the same setting back and forth, it somehow goes green and I can record continuously. Sometimes just opening the ML menu and then close it helps when things are glitchy.
When I want to test a different ML build, I always uninstall Magic Lantern (can be done from Canon firmware update menu) and then do low level format (Canon menu -> Format card, tick box for low level format) and then install the new build.
Amazing comparison! This is extemely helpful. I think I'll be shooting a lot more in 4.8k 3x1 mode now instead of 5.2k. I thought that the 5.2k would be quite a bit sharper... but now knowing that this isn't the case, I would much prefer to be able to shoot in 12 and 14-bit. Also the comparison of the 1080p on the 3x1 mode to 3x3 is crazy! Huge improvement in 3x1. One major downside about the 3x1 mode is craaaaazy rolling shutter though. I think that is aguably the biggest benefit of the 3x3 1080 mode. You can pan pretty quickly and get handheld footage without everything looking like jello. I find that as soon as you try handheld shots on the 3x1 modes and have any major shaking, the rolling shutter makes everything look much too wobbly.
I agree rolling shutter on 1:3 it's a fact and more on 1:1 mod. I normally use monopod and tripod in my footage, and if I handheld I use stabilized lenses and I try to avoid fast pan shots or rare movement because I don't like shaking movements in my shots: this way to film (and finally this is my natural style) help me to avoid rolling shutter effects. I have various family travel videos in my channel, 100% filmed handheld mainly in 5K or 2.5k and no wobbly effects are present, but this is possible because I'm very careful whit my shootings.
@@russo-filmmaking what lens do you suggest with IS?
i bought sd extreme pro 200mb/s 10class (writing 90mbps) but i have only 2 seconds with 1 mode in ur test what can be my problem? :0@@russo-filmmaking
Grazie tante Sergio. This crop mood build sure is spicing up the Magic lantern cine banquet. I just bought another 700d for my kit. The EOS M is rare here in my neck of the woods. My sandisk extreme pro cards just arrived . The regular sandisk extreme 90mbp/s v30 cards I have max out at 50 mbps write.. I`m looking forward to more of your fabulous content.
Thank you!!
simply incredible. im so proud of this community
Thanks and yes the EOS M community is incredible.
Thank you so much for making this. I have been pulling my hair out for the last 3 to 4 months, trying to get a grip on what exactly I should be using Crop Mood for, what the most stable settings are, and ones to stay away from. This just took out an immense amount of guess work. Thank you.
Thank you!! check my other videos on top mood for more tips including my last video on how to expose
Some very helpful details. Crop Mood is definately an adjustment from previous builds and this video has made it a lot easier to get the most out of it. Thank you very very much Sergio.
Thank you for watching !!!
Thanks! 4.8 12-bit seems to be the sweet middle then :) Very detailed and absolutely perfect combined with bilals and coles videos
Sure, if you like to shoot in 2.35:1 aspect ratio this preset gives you an excellent quality with a good crop factor. I'll try to shoot some video with this preset pushing on color grading and see if we can confirm that it's the best way to go
@@russo-filmmaking i only want cinema wide format so it's perfect :)
Thank you, I needed it all summed up. Just tell me the best settings and I'll never need to change them again.
Bro this is so comprehensive. Thank you. Just gonna shoot on 5.2 14bit all the way in 1x3. Thanks.
Thanks!! 5.2K 14bit works well if there is no much contrast in the image and light is very soft and probably you have to underexpose just a little bit in some cases. 5.2K 12bit is more versatile in more complicate light situations. I prefer to use 4.8K 12bit in brights environments and 14bit in low lights environments for filming without any worries
Now this is the a deep dive I needed fora new user! Thanks
@@kenadhitya thanks you! I’m glad the video was helpful
Havent watched it till the end but already want to thank you for showcasing all the modes and the pros and cons of them! This is so valuable for everyone coming in new or like me who has away and comes back to catch up! :)
Thank you!! I'm glad you think the video was helpful. Check this new video, it could be interesting if you want to get into the crop mood world and want to know the differences between these two amazing cameras (the 700d and the EOSM) with crop mood installed ruclips.net/video/efbaBspY77Q/видео.html
@@russo-filmmaking I have already made up my mind i want to go as small as possible after having a heavy blackmagic rig :) so eosm1 it is. Have now ordered Meikes 35mm f1.4 but obviously the canon 22mm f2 would be even better size wise. Im just not sure if its really to tiny to pull focus and I assume its focus by wire which never has been the best thing for manual focusing....
@@sarcasticfpv3862 Meike are great. I bought a few lenses (12, 16, 25, and 50mm)for my BMPCC 4K and I love them.
@@russo-filmmaking Do you have suggestions for neckstrap options? As i recall the eosm itself has some stupid non universal lugs and i'd rather 3d print if there are designs available than to search for second hand original straps
I’m sorry, honestly I can’t help because I don’t use it. So I didn’t any search for other options. If you have a cage, I know there are some neck straps with quick release connectors that you can attach to the cage
Great overview! Many thanks! Finally took time to try new build 👍👍👍
Thanks!! I'm glad it was of your interest
Thanx for going through all this trouble
thank!!
Thanks for the overview, very good example's to get a good understanding of what Crop Mood can do.
Thanks!! I'm glad to help
Wonderful!
Thanks!!
greetings from brazil, we love your content!
Thank you!!
Very nice to share your test and experiment.
thanks!!
Great video Sergio! Thanks for posting. I'm so excited to try out this new ML build :)
thanks, you have to try it!! absolutely worth it
Your video is very elaborate and detailed. Thank you!
thanks for your words!!
Amazing video, very informative.
Tanks !!! I’m glad it was helpful
Excellent Instruction Sergio! Please keep up the great work!
Thanks!!
great video once again, and i have the exact same conclusions. This crop mood is just awesome, and on top of that with the liveview now i get way less out of focus :)
thanks!! until now crop mood is leaving me quite impressed
excelente video Sergio, gracias por compartir tus conocimientos!
Me da gusto que te gusto el video. Gracias!!
Thank you, Sergio - this has been incredibly useful, it has answered many questions and saved me a lot of time too. Beautifully made and presented video!
Thanks you!!
I just found your channel and it’s really interesting. I have held off picking an EOS M for a year now, because I think it’s a hassle to use, especially from what I see on RUclips. May I ask if you are always conscious of these settings, anytime you pick up the camera to shoot? Or it’s a set and forget about it case? I like the visuals of these ML+EOS M. A very informative video.
Thanks!! Once you have installed and configured the build, you do not have to repeat the operation every time you turn the camera off and turn on again. The same goes with your shooting settings: bit-depth, crop mood 3x1, 3x3 or 1:1, resolution, etc.... they will be the same of last time you turned off your camera. Each time you turn off the camera all the setting are preserved and they will be the same once you turn it back on
@@russo-filmmaking Thank you very much for the response. I have seen others turn this EOS M frenzy into rocket science, and that kinda scares people like me a way 😂.
@@cosmashono7665 Surely there is a learning curve, but once you understand how the camera works everything is very simple and it is a real pleasure to use it and film with it.
Good work showcasing different modes. Liked and subbed.
thanks !! I'm glad you liked it
Suscrito!
Buenisimos video!
oh muchas gracias!!
Thank you for sharing your experiences with this new mode.
Do you think this new mode is definitely superior to the previous one?
In the previous build I recorded music concert videos using the 2k recording option as it was more stable and could record more than 10 minutes continuously. Do you think crop mood could be a better and safer recording option?
you can get green continuous recording in 2.35:1 aspect ratio in 5.2k 10bit, 4.8k 12bit, 4.4k 14bit , 2.5k 12 and 14bit, 2.8k 12bit and in 16:9 aspect ratio 4.2K 14bit, all this modes don't have almost any aliasing or moire artifact and have fluid real time live view. Moreover you always have the possibility to shoot in 2k or 1080P 14bit . In my opinion the change to this new build is totally worth
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks Sergio! I'll run some tests.
Great video! Very helpful
Thanks!!
Great work, thanks!
Thank you!!
Grazie mille Sergio! Very detailed and informative.
Prego!! thanks for watching
Thank you for your videos Sergio!!! they are very very helpful!, for the 4.8K you need to change the aspect ratio to 2:1 , that is going to give you a resolution 1600x2400 , higher than 1600x2040 when you leave it at 2:35:1, frame rate will change to 23.30 instead of 23.976
I don't use presets with a frame rate different from 23.97 /24 because it can cause problems when syncing audio.
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Parabéms
Thanks man!!
Are you using the 170MB or 200MB version of the Sandisk Extreme Pro? I have two Sandisk Extreme Pro 64MB cards the0 170MB/s versions and it seems mine seems to be peaking at about 74MB/s while recording however you seem to be hitting a full 80MB/s consistently so you seem to be able to hit a bit higher on your exposures because it stops recording. I noticed you had mentioned that 2.35:1 aspect ratio in 5.2k 10bit should be GREEN recording and stable I seem to miss the mark just by a little because of my 74MB/s transfer speed. If I underexpose slightly it seems work or if I slightly reduce the resolution (*at the expense of more crop) it also works.
Hi, In the tutorial I used the 170MB Sd card, but I also use without problems the 200MB version.
@@russo-filmmaking I wonder why I'm getting ever so slightly less for write speeds 🤔
When the horizontal pixel count is 1280 (with 16:9 UHD, 12-bits, 2.18 crop) and the magic 3X (1x3) is applied upon export from the MLV app, we get 3840x2160 video upon import to Resolve. Works perfectly! I think this by far is the optimal solution.
EOS M shooters are used to croping in camera something almost never done by those using other cameras. The letterbox look which I've seen demanded is almost always applied when editing. You want the maximum sized image for editing. The loss of resolution using 16:9 UHD compared to 4.8k is made up for by not needing to scale to 1080p or 2160p, despite being popular here, is something to be avoided!
If you export it as prores or other codecs different from DNG yes you will get a 3840x2160 file ready to work in Davinci. If you export DNG from MLV to Davinci than you have to desqueeze it in Davinci
@serrus71 That's an important point. I always use Prores 4444 to keep the 12 bit data stream.
Edited ChatGPT: Up-scaling a video image can result in blurriness, distortion, and a loss of sharpness, especially if the scaling factor is high. This is because the software or algorithm used to upscale the image has to create new pixels, which may not accurately represent the original image.
Down-scaling a video image can lead to a loss of detail, especially if the scaling factor is significant.
Fractional scaling (less than 1.0 scaling) can result in a loss of detail and clarity, especially if the scaling factor is very small. The effect on video image quality will depend on the scaling factor. If the scaling factor is close to 1.0, the impact on image quality may be minimal. However, if the scaling factor is much smaller, the image may appear blurry, and there may be a loss of detail and clarity.
In conclusion, the effects of scaling on video image quality depend on the scaling factor and the algorithm used for scaling.
@@S.Mullen Sure when you upscale you loose quality. But if you upscale in the correct way and you make your color correction using CDNG files you can get great results if your final delivery is for RUclips. Moreover the quality you can get with Topaz AI for example, it's amazing, a lot better than the super scale function that we have in Davinci.
Many Thanks, Sergio!! 🙏🏾
Thanks man!!
Grazie molte Sergio, è un video chiaro e molto esplicativo! Che lente hai usato per girare i video di prova?
Ciao, grazie tanto per le tue parole. Ho usato un signa 18-35mm sulla Canon EOS M, en un sigma 17-50mm sulla BMPCC 4K con la quale riprendevo lo schermo della EOS M in interni..... Per riprendere los schermo della eos M in esterni ho usato un cellulare e purtroppo quelle immagini sono brutte perché non ho pensato a coprire los schermo della EOS M dai riflessi.
Thank you for this video so much! it helped me understand all of this better than ever . please do more videos like this, and may I ask what lengths did you use?
Glad it was helpful!
thanks a lot for showing us the noise level difference regarding bit depth. 12 bit really seems to be the sweetspot for getting longer recording times.
I've noticed you changed the aperture by using the scroll wheel. How did you enable that?
I've been using the arrow buttons through the "customized button option" but scroll wheel is so such smoother!
Thanks!! what I do is to set in "customized button option" left and right wheel for aperture. Then when you want to change the aperture, you have to click and hold for about a second the right wheel and after that, quickly scroll the wheel. After some second the function is disable and if you scroll the wheel you change the shutter. So each time you want to change the aperture you have again to hold for a second or just a little bit the left wheel to activate again the function, and then scroll the wheel.
@@russo-filmmaking appreciate your help, thanks again Sergio!
@@sertaysakizoglu5553 you are welcome
I'm so new that I don't even know how you get all that info on the liveview... (audio, temp, shutter, iso, etc). Regardless thank you for all the information on ML!
Thank you!!
Sergio I love your content, you are an extraordinary kind person to share all this knowledge with the world. So thank you. I have just ordered a Canon EOS M. Just one question has come to mind as I have only seen very short clips (all fantastic quality), how difficult will it be to make an hour long film using this system?
Thank you!! If your question is about whether you can film 1 hour continuously without stop recording, the answer is yes, you can, by configuring the camera with a certain resolution, color depth, and specific settings. The ambient temperature also influences to ensure the camera doesn't overheat. However, honestly, filming continuously in RAW for an hour is not the best decision, nor is this camera the most suitable for it, because one hour of continuous RAW recording, it’s equivalent to an huge file of approximately 150-180 GB. I'm sure no one wants that. If you are asking if you can film a 1 hour project like for example a documentary or a future film, yes you can film it because finally the 1 hour project is the results of the edition of a lot of short clips. For long continuously shots (more than 10 minutes continuously recordings) I suggest to use the native eosM 8bit video (not ML), mainly because of the big files generated through ML.
What does crop factor 1.61, 1.73 or 2.01 mean? Relative to a full frame or relative to the aps-c camera sensor? Is the whole sensor used for video or only small part of it... that will give less pixels by the end of the day?
The crop factor is relative to a full frame, it means if you use a 50mm lens in a aps-c sensor it will be approximately equivalent to a 80mm full frame lens (50 x1.6). Depending of the resolution you choose in your canon eos M this crop factor can reach more than x 3
You are a great fan of cinema, generous for sharing this valuable knowledge for those of us who are learning to use this camera. To film outdoors while walking and so that I can see live in real time and with a sandisk extreme pro 170mbs, what do you recommend? And how many minutes could you film continuously without raising the temperature or cutting off the reading?
thanks!! As far I didn't try to film more than 5 minutes. Normally my I film from a few seconds to maximum a few minutes, and I didn't had any issue: I will make some test as soon as possible on longer recording time. Temperature rise quickly and I think it's not recommended to exceed 54 degrees. I get always around 40-50 degree but here the ambient temperature is warm, 26 degree in interiors and more than 30 degree outside. A genuine Sandisk Pro Extreme SD card 170mb is a perfect Sd card for the Canon EOS M.
Thank you so much Sergio this video helped me understand how crop mood worked :) I just had a question about crop factors, what settings would you use if you wanted to film in 4:3?
I would use 2 options: 1) set crop mood to 3x3 1080p 16:9 14bit, then after refresh with the menu button, in raw tab select under aspect ratio 4:3 and under resolution rotating the wheel select 1152x1160. With this method you'll get 4:3 continuous recording, and you have to set kill global draw to off because otherwise you will not be able to see correctly the 4:3 framing. 2) this second method is the one I prefer because has more quality and less aliasing: use the setting for 1x3 4.2k 16:9 14bit that I explained in the video (leave kill global draw to on) and then in post-production crop sideways the image to get 4:3 aspect ratio. You'll get continuos recording, no aliasing, more quality
@@russo-filmmaking thank you!
Fantastic video! 4.8k, 12b, 23.97 works great. Questions: 4/18 or 4/19 release? What Canon settings did you need to make? How to enable CAE and CAF? How to get arrows to control ISO and Aperture?
Thanks. Continuous Auto Focus doesn't work with this build (it works with Danne built even if it's very bad and I would never use it), with the crop mood only the half shutter auto focus works very well. Sorry but I don't understand what you mean with CAE, I don't know what it is. You have to use the last build which is 4/19. Regarding other answers very soon I'll post a video on how crop mood works with HDMI monitors, how half-shutter AF works, how to customize the buttons and other interesting things, Stay tuned
@@russo-filmmaking Thank you for such a quick reply! (1) Everytime I try to use 4/19 it reports "Detection error, doesn't look like a 100D" 4/18 works fine. (2) Looks like you can boot ML directly in Video mode. Nice. (3) Seems during boot of ML the Canon gui is correctly set! True? (4) "C" = Continuous So we have OTF "One touch AF" but not the more desirable OTAF/AE. Thus, Aperture must be dialed in. (5) No EZ way to adjust ISO. (6) No Histogram, yet I've seen in a demo! But, maybe these come with the 4/19 release? (7) Curious--if the horizontal pixel count is 1280 (in 16:9 UHD) when the magic 3x is applied don't we get 3840x2160 which is what we want. (8) I don't think these are Crop settings, aren't they Binning settings? THANK YOU!
@@russo-filmmaking I shot a card full of 16/0 uhd and found a focus issue. At home when I half-press shutter I see a white box that turns green upon focus, When I was in the field, that didn't happen even tho I didn't change anything. Any ideas?
Also, I noticed that at times the camera was using AF! Even said "AF." Also I read that AF will be used if one turns off "... Hacks." Have you tried this?
@@S.Mullen Hi, what lens did you used during your home and outdoor tests?
Would be interesting to see similar Mode video for 5D. I noticed the picture quality is not all that good compared to the EOS M...
I hope someone that own these two cameras can do a comparison
Dziękuję za tutorial😀 Pozdrawiam!
thank you for watching !
Better and clearer instructions than zeek
Thank you !!
Hello, thanks for your posts! I’m taking the plunge into Magic Lantern tomorrow or Thursday. I just bought an EOS M and SD cards. Is the Crop Mood the latest version? Is there a previous version I should start with? On the Magic Lantern website the version is from 2018. Thanks in advance!
The last magic lantern version is the crop mood. The last crop mood version was release this month on may 9th. Here is the link
bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR0vf7VAGxkz5IzrEmPBMcI5P4zpmv8MQ0l4puPK85rveKcr1ZJBB2ziErI
you have to download the following file
magiclantern-crop_mood.2023May09.EOSM202
Ps I don't like any crop versions like 3k and 4k crop slot of dannes builds there bit really a crop I've noticed!!
yes crop modes in this new build if you like 2.35:1 aspect ratio are very stables and works incredibly
796p from this camera is sharper than 1080p from mine, although aliasing is bad. Also why does the panning cause so much flicker on things like the poles in the foreground at 14:53 ? The one on the right jiggles like crazy. The moire comparison is crazy again. Very big differences that make you think twice about the settings and the gear you select.
I think that what you noticed is not flicker , the clip was shot a 23.98 FPS with the slow shutter 1/50. Probably it happened because of the low shutter speed (like when you shoot on film) and my distracted and not smooth pan
Ps orange usualyisnt good it said 57 percent on your frames before you hit rcoed and usually you wnsf green so u don't have dropped framess
Hi, I normally use 4.8k 12bit 2.35:1 aspect ratio or 4.2k 14bit 16:9. And with these mode 90% of rec is green and sometime when light it's to high can get some orange. I also made some test filming 5.2k 12bit in bright ambient getting orange all the time for more than 3 minutes , and I didn't had any dropped frames, only beautiful images. Green is very secure, and orange works as well, it's more risky but you can use it for some minutes without any problem. The best thing we can do it's try and test for ourself and choose the better mode that works for us🙌
Продолжай рассказывать про настройки. Ждём.👍
I'll do. Thanks
wow
Thanks!!
Great Video mate! Can you post a link with the build? I cant find it online...
Thanks!! this is the link,
bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR1JV0kB9wVc703dFseBsjL7VNOrbw5SgFNznGSIfsMJB00gjOxV5LwKslk
you have to download the one for the EOS M which is named "magiclantern-crop_mood.2023Apr18.EOSM202"
Thanks for great videos👍 Will you concider making a video on how to install step by step, because I can’t figure it out?!
Thanks for nice video. Plz give the link of Magic Lantren version you used in this video.
Here is the link
bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR0vf7VAGxkz5IzrEmPBMcI5P4zpmv8MQ0l4puPK85rveKcr1ZJBB2ziErI
you have to download the following file
magiclantern-crop_mood.2023May09.EOSM202
@@russo-filmmaking THANKS A LOT SERGIO! I will try this now. Is it possible to get clean 14 bit HDMI out from EOS-M camera for recording on Ninja V or Shogan?
@@hamzayaz I filmed 4.2k 16:9 14bit using my feelwolrd monitor without problems.
@@russo-filmmaking I mean, I want to do external recording on Atomos Shogan screen. It records direct on SSD with clean HDMI from camera. Feelworld is just moniter, dosn't record in it self. Is it possible?
No, the EOS M cannot record to external devices.
Hola Sergio. Estoy probando esta version de Bilal y la de Dannes . No se si sabrias decirme porque esta version es mejor que la de Dannes. Un saludo!
Antes del crop mood de Bilal había la versión de Danne que funcionaba muy bien, y era la mejor disponible. Pero en muchos modos e resoluciones no permitía ver las imágenes en tiempo real durante la filmación. Y muchas resoluciones no funcionaban bien. Además había problemas usando ciertos modos con los monitores externos. Crop mood ha solucionado todo eso, facilitando además la filmación en camera lenta. Ahora Danne empesó a trabajar sobre el crop mood de Bilal y hay una nueva versión del crop mood con modificaciones de Danne. La última versión es de febrero pero todavía sigue trabajando en ella. Es la versión que actualmente estoy usando. A nivel de calidad y estabilidad no aporta nada, pero Danne a echo modificaciones que facilitan el setting de todos los parámetros y una mejor distribución del menú, anexando algunos prestes bastantes útiles con ralacion a ciertos aspect ratio.
@@russo-filmmaking Gracias por responder :) . he estado probando la version que me has dicho, y he notado que con la version original de Bilal tengo mejor rendimiento... he hecho un deep format y todo lo necesario, pero creo que me quedo con la original de Bilal. Un saludo!
@@varomillen5298 uso esta nueva versión de hace poco y todavía no ge notado diferencias amenos por los presets que más uso. Veremos más adelante.
I was just wondering how you find the magic zoom option? Or better still how you work towards focusing?
My box is very jittery 2:35:1 mode with magic zoom. Many thanks
Very soon I'll post a video in which I'm testing HDMI monitor, half-shutter AF, how I set the camera for all the modes (including the magic zoom option, and how I use it), and how I customize the buttons. Stay tuned!!
@@russo-filmmaking I shall look forward to it. Many thanks!
This is great thank you. I have one problem, even when I set the fps to 25p, it still delivers the footage at 29.97. Also, do you have a recommendation for a fast card? I was looking at SanDisk extreme pro 200mbps (not sure of the write speed of this card, which I more important I guess)
Stick with 23.976 FPS, It's the standard for filmmaking. It's the most stable frame rate. In my last video I talk on how to set the native canon menu and what SD card to use. Check it: if you are starting now with the EOS M, it'll give you a solid guideline on how to set your camera correctly in order to work perfectly with crop mood.
Thanks for this informative video. I have never shot with mirrorless cameras. My experience is with higher end cinema cameras. I also teach Cinematography. I have watched some impressive EOS M / ML videos by skilled cinematographers including you. But I am bit confused by the actual resolution of this crop mood. It seems always losing horizontal resolution although it is named as 3K, 4K etc. What is the maximum horizontal resolution we can get and how long we can record the video. Could you please explain it a bit more. Thanks.
In the video I show all the different modes and what they means at 2:30: 1:1 which read all the horizontal and vertical lines. For example we can use 2.5K 2.35:1 aspect ratio which resolution is 2520x1072 or we can use 3k 2:39:1 aspect ratio which resolution is 3072x1284. The only problem with 1:1 mode is the crop factor. Then we have a lot of choices with the 1x3 mode, known as anamorphic mode, which read all the lines of our image and bin three columns to one. It has a better crop factor. For example 5.2k anamorphic mode, 2.35:1 aspect ratio, has a crop factor x1.6 and has a resolution of 1736 x 2214: then in post you have to desqueeze the image multiply the horizontal resolution by 3. So 1,736x3= 5,208 letting the vertical resolution the same 2,214 ( for this reason its name is 5.2K, 5208x2214). Quality is excellent and the 1x3 mode is my preferred mode as far. All my video in the channel are filmed in anamorphic mode 4.2K for 16:9 aspect ratio, 4.8K for 2.35:1 aspect ratio and 4.6k for 2.20:1 aspect ratio.
Thank you so much for your explanation.@@russo-filmmaking. Quite clear and precise explanation. I am quite used to shooting with Super 35 (APS C) which was the standard film format before full frame invasion. But all these choices are a welcome. Please allow me to ask two more questions. 1) Does the binning introduce moiré? 2) By your experience watching all the original footage without YT compression, do you think the resolution is good for a 2K film output for projection? Thanks agin for your valuable input.
@@Maheel_Perera Moire and Aliasing is introduced when you shoot in 3X3 mode and only in certain situations. In 1x3 or 1:1 I never had problem with aliasing or moire. If you handle the cDNg files from ML in the correct way into Davinci Resolve, resolution for 2K film output for projection is at the same level of other superior cinema cameras. The only problem is that you have a more limited dynamic range, about only 11 stops, nothing that you can't handle lighting in the right way.
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks again. A professional who is familiar with the pro workflow and concerns. Your replies contained all the information I wanted to know. Dynamic Range is not a problem as my work does not involve run and gun/ vlog work. Thank you Sergio. 🖕
You're gonna make try buying this thing 😅
It's absolutely worth
@@russo-filmmaking The thing is watching other youtubers, the process of shooting with this camera seems to be a bit more dificult but you make it look easier. Well, let's see if we can find any good bargain 🤞🏻
Thanks Sergio for all tips. My EOS-M doesn't start video recording when I put vintage or old canon FD lens with dead adaptors manual focus. Some tips?
try this:
Go to canon menu and select custom functions (C.Fn)
In Custom function menu go to "C.Fn-IV Release shutter w/o lens" and select enable
Whitch is the best crop mood for sharp footage?
For sharper footage 1x1 crop mood mode and 2.5K, 2.8K or 3k resolutions at 12bit are the best choice. The only problem that you have to take in count with 1x1 mode is the crop factor which is in some case more than x3, and the rolling shutter, so you are going to need wide angle lens 10-12-15mm for wide shots.
@@russo-filmmaking so what lens u can recommend for those crop modes
@@anandpianolover I was using a lot in the past 2.5K (with Dane build when Crop mood didn't exist) and I was using the canon kit lens canon15-45 F/3.5-6.3, because of internal stabilization. It works well with light because aperture in no so fast. With low light you have to rise the iso generating some noise, that you can eliminate in post; and stabilization works very well. There are cheap primes lenses like 7artisans with a good aperture like the 12mm F2.8 M-mount (no stabilization) or some C-lenses too. The lens depends of what you are going to film and your personal taste. I prefer to shoot in 1x3 4.8K for example using 25 or 35 or 50mm lenses for a shallow depth of field, that you can't achieve with wide lenses.
@@russo-filmmaking when I'm shooting eos at night times or low light it is getting noise in footage how can u solve that?
What’s the best setting with unlimited recording ?
all the preset 3x3 and 1x3, 10-12bit excluding 5.2k, and HFR, with the correct exposure of the image. You can also get a long time recording in 14bit depending of resolution and lighitng.
Could you please tell me how to desqueeze 4.8k anamorphic in Davinci thanks
Hi, first be sure to set your resolution project with the correct aspect ratio which is 2.35:1, so in this case (4.8k) you have to set the Davinci Project resolution to 4800x2040. Because when you film in 4.8K your resolution is 1600x2040 where you have to multiplay 1600x3= 4800. After that selecting the clip or various clips at the same time in your media pool or your timeline, go to your inspector tab, select retiming and scaling, then scaling, and from the pop menu select stretch. Your clip (or clips) now will have the correct aspect ratio.
In case of 4.8k I suggest you to set the project with 1600x 680 ( where 680 is 2040/3), then use the stretching method I explain above, and make your editing and color. Finally when the project is ready before to export it, change your project setting to 4800x2040 and export it super-scaling tx3 (for better quality). Working on a lower resolution (but with the correct aspect ratio) It will help you during the editing process if you don't have a powerful pc or Mac
@@russo-filmmaking This is a Great explanation about how to work and de-squeeze the footage Sergio, thanks for clarify all this, nobody in RUclips care or want to explain this details, you should do a Video, even if it is short explaining all this aspect ratios and how to de-squeeze them, I am sure it will have a lot of viewers. One question I have for you is, I have an anamorphic scope 2x, how can I use it with eos m ML crop mood in 1x3 4.8k or 5.2k? you need it to be 4:3 or 3:2 apect ration, and I do not see it it crop mood , only in Raw video, but If I select 4:3 in Raw video, because of crop mood, the video at the end is still 1600x2040, the 4:3 aspect ratio selected in raw video has no effect at all, or it is not possible?
Hello Sergio! Thank you for your videos! I've noticed that when I convert MLV files to MLV App (settings: Codec - CinemaDNG Uncompressed, Default Naming Scheme) my computer's processor heats up to 95 degrees. If you use the DUAL ISO function when shooting, then the heating of the CPU is 58-60 degrees. (But the processing time is greatly increased). With envelopes in PRORES, the temperature reaches almost 100 degrees. Do you have the same? And one more question (this is related to the volume of files). You showed very well that in CROP MODE you can use 12 bit instead of 14 bit for shooting, the difference is not so great. So the question is, can you share your experience of optimal preparation of MLV Files in MLV App for subsequent work in the Davinchi Resove program? Thanks a lot!
thanks: I only export I cDNG uncompressed (quick but heavy files) or cDNG lossless (a little slower but smaller files), almost no quality difference between the two methods. I don't know the temperature of my laptop when I export the file, but it seems ok (I use a MacBook M1 Pro). I don't like to use prores or other compressed codecs. When I export cDNG I don't make any preparation in ML ( I only turn on focus dots map): cDNG is a Raw file and it contains all the information a quality you need to make your adjustment in Davinci Resolve.
Hello, first of all thanks for your video, very usefull content there! I do have a question regarding the 4.2K 16/9, what pixel map do u use with MLV to get rid of the dots? Ive been testing tghe maps from Bilal, but itt just doesnt do the tricks for me. Any idea to come around that problem? Thx in advance!
there is not a map for 4.2K 16:9, I mentioned it to Bilal and probably he will release a map for this preset. A work around that work very well is to set color smooth to 3x3
@@russo-filmmaking Ah okay so you're editing on MLV then save it to a video format of your choice. No DNG direct to Davinci! Sounds good, let's see if they update the pixelmap at some point! Thank u for ur answer! Good evening to u.
@@GratouLaFifouille I export DNG Lossless Raw from MLV to Davinci Resolve where I make my editing and color correction. In my Channel there are various videos regarding my workflow with EOS DNG files in Davinci Resolve. In MLV you have to enable RAW correction and into it, in the Croma Smooth tab you have to select 3x3. Then export it as DNG file
today pixel map for 4.2K 16:9 was already uptake for MLV app
This is brill - newbie here so very grateful - I have installed magic lantern but crop mood install confuses me re installation - should crop mood install separately from magic lantern or should it overwrite before installing from sd card ? There are no install videos that I can see on RUclips , any links or tutorials I would be grateful for
Thanks again !
You have to format your SD card in a PC or Mac as exFAT, then you have to copy in it the last crop mood built. It's a little complicate to explain here.
@@russo-filmmaking I’ve worked it out thank goodness I actually downloaded the eosm version not the 650D lol but thank you very much x
Hi great video.
I just got the eos m and crop mood is malfunctioning. I can't record in 1080. And when I get there my video doesn't look good. Full grain full of red and blue pixel. Like 90s camera quality
An idea ? THANKS
I suggest you to enter to the "MLV RAW ON EOS M ", community on Facebook. They can help with this issues more than me
14 and 12 bit definitively ! So (sorry Im new in video) for anamorphic you shoot with normal lens and crop in post prod to have a standard aspect ratio ? So we could shoot anamorphic 1080 in 57 fps ? No 60 fps is my biggest drawback even if Im gonna buy my first camera/EOS M cause I want to shoot music videos and wildlife but 57 fps anamorphic would be as good !
Your shots when you explain look outstanding ! But I can notice a very small green edge do you know what it is ?
Yes you shoot with regular lenses in 1x3 mod and then in post you stretch the image. If you shoot in 3x3 mode and want a wide aspect image you have to select 2.35:1 aspect ratio in your settings. In this case you don't need to stretch the image. when you shoot in 57 HFR the aspect ratio is 2.35.1 and in post you don't need to de-squeeze. Only in 1x3 mode you have to de-desqueeze. I don't know what do you mean for green edge, I don't see it. Monitor, cell phones, iPad, TV and in general all the display can make the image different, it depends on how the display is calibrated.
@@russo-filmmaking Its really thin but only the shoots of you explaining, I see it cause Im too closed to a 4K LED monitor but Its barely not noticeable, Its the edge of sharp subject not the edge of the frame.
You can see it in the first shot of the video at the first seconds and 17:00 look the right and left edge of the shirt, as well as with the logo of your tee shirt
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks for this in deph explaining
can these record the whole sensor at 10bit or more?
the full sensor can only be used in 1080P in 3:2 aspect ratio and you can use it in 14bit
Hi! Please help, I installed it as you said, also selected the modes (crop_rec, and all the mlv modes), but I dont have the raw and crop options on the movie settings. Any idea what could it be?
To help you with your question I need to know what version of crop mood have you installed ? the Aug19 2023 Bilal Crop Mood ? or the Crop Mood modified by Danne Feb19 2024 version?
@@russo-filmmaking actually I had to install an older version, from 2023. I was able to make the raw and crop option appear, but maximum I can film is 1724x1024. Don't know why. And also it films 3-4s and then automatically stops. Any idea what could it be?
I cant get the same performance as you with the same type of card :(
What performance do you refer? if you are talking about mb/sec and you get more than 75mb/sec you are ok. Depending of mode, resolution and bit depth I use, I'm in the range 75-80 mb /sec
Thanks! What do you think EOS M and EOS 700d same video quality?
Hi thanks!! I'm waiting my 700d, I bought one about a few weeks ago.I 'll make a test comparison between these two cameras, but as far people say that the image quality is the same
Tengo una enorme duda. ¿Que diferencia tiene este "Crop Mood"?
Hola, con este nuevo build puedes filmar in 5.2K, 4.8k, 2.8k hasta 12-14bit y teniendo tu preview durante la filmación en tiempo real y grabación continua. Puedes filmar en 2.5K 14bit en grabación continua. Puedes usar un monitor externo con todos los modes sin preocupación de pink frames. Todo esto no era posible antes en los builds anteriores. En general este build acerca mas la canon eos M a camera de faja superior almenos por lo que esta relacionado a su forma de operar.
If you are using a slightly slower SD card (less then 100MB/s) then make sure to set your Access Mode to SDR50 in SD Overclock menu.
I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s which runs fine, but didn't work at the default SDR104 setting.
It’s correct: I commented this tip in my second video on crop mood
nice video, in 2.5k raw 10bits, Approximately how long can you record before it stops?
With crop mood You can get continuous recording, without the camera stops, using 2.5K 10bit, 11bit, 12bit, and if you expose well also 2.5K 14bit.
@@russo-filmmaking in this case mentioned by him, how much moiree or alising do you get in 2.5k? Is it noticeable?
@@JoaoSilva22222 2.5k is 1:1, and it’s the best mod to avoid aliasing and moire. The counter part is that it has bad roller shutter. But if you use a weighted rig when you film handheld , or a tripod , and your camera movement are not crazy you will not have any problem.
Hi Sergio. In 4.8k, 14bit, 1x3, I get continuous recording only if keep aspect ration to 5:1. Only then it shows at the bottom that continuous recording is okay at 62 MB/s. If i keep the aspect ratio at 2.35:1, data rate at the bottom shoots up to 130 MB/s and it says expect 38 to 44 frames at 80MB/s. I wonder if keeping the aspect ratio at 5:1 is the correct way. What do you suggest? Thank you.
Hi, actually I shoot 4.8K 14bit 2.35:1 when I'm in interiors and I can get continuous recording as long as the temperature of the camera allows me. When I reach 51 degree I stop it. In exterior I use 4.8k 12bit 2.35:1 and if you don't overexpose you can get continuous recording too (always being aware that the temperature not to exceed 51 degrees). You can also shoot outside 4.8k 14bit 2.35:1 if light is not too harsh
@@russo-filmmaking Oh! I see. My camera is always running at 50 and above. I think i am in a hot weather conditions.
Hello i have a 5d MK III using Nightly version but i don't know how to replace with Danne Build if you could help me please thanks
There is no Crop Mood version for 5d, only for EOSM, 650d, 750d and 100d
@@russo-filmmaking actuallly i want to install Danne Build version not Bilal version
@@barryofori yes, sorry I was a little distracted. Here is the link for Danne Build for 5d and there is two version depending of the firmware that you are using: if you look at the zip file names they have a version on the end bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magic-lantern_dannephoto_git/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR2IFtFHyJgZCi5-Ht-2O-KQaJj58Wl7unQ9TYqN7-fIh5d0mQUpR3mHPDA
@@russo-filmmaking thank you very much will let you know if anything thanks
Im using the version 1.2.3 and when I install it tells me error
7:06 mi cámara solo graba 3 segundos con esta configuración. 😞 Tarjeta SD 170MB/s de escritura.
make sure you have select 14-12-11-10 bit loss-less under your raw tab and not uncompressed
Brother, Can you help share the ML build link please?
Plus I recently purchased a C-Mount zoom lens, and tried a 3x crop with 1080p mode. However, the record button doesn’t work. I thought something wrong with the camera and powered down and on again. Still the same record button doesn’t work issue.
But when I change to Canon 50mm f/1.8 in 3x corp with 1080p mode then the record button works. Ah it worked I thought.
Again once I change back to the C-Mount zoom lens, surprisingly still the record button doesn’t function at all. Feeling quite strange to understand how come for a normal lens the 3x is working and not for C-Mount zoom lens.
Am I doing anything wrong here?
Here is the link
bitbucket.org/bilal_fakhouri/crop-mood-builds/downloads/?fbclid=IwAR0vf7VAGxkz5IzrEmPBMcI5P4zpmv8MQ0l4puPK85rveKcr1ZJBB2ziErI
you have to download the following file
magiclantern-crop_mood.2023May09.EOSM202
Honestly I don't know why your c-mount zoom doesn't work. I own only a c-mount lens and it works properly. Try to ask in the FB group, I'm sure someone could ask your question
Thanks for the testing. Is it supposed to work the same with the Canon 650D (T4i)?
Thanks!!! Yes, absolutelly it works with M, 100d, 650d, 700d
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks! What SD card are you using BTW?
@@chermanaquino8009 Sandisk extreme pro 170MB or 200MB, both work very well
@@russo-filmmaking I own the Extreme Pro 95MB/s yet, I understand that's the actual reading speed, not the writing speed. Both the 170 and the 95 say they have writing speeds of up to 90MB/s. So I guess that would be the same regardless.
@@chermanaquino8009 if you use crop mood and SanDisk Extreme pro 95MB try to set SDR50 under SD Overlock 240Hz tab to better the performance. I talk about this at the minute 7:50 in my second video about crop mood, this one ruclips.net/video/2fmlfWhF3UM/видео.html
Hi I am filming a family wedding with eosm 25 mm, would you recommend the crop mode
Absolutely yes, it's a very stable built. But first, if you are not familiar with the crop mood, do all the tests to learn more about the options that are best suited to your needs and to have a complete and safe control over the EOS M. If you want a 16:9 aspect ratio try the (3X3) 1080P or UHD 12 or 14bit options and (1x3) 4.2k 16:9 12-14bit option
Thank you so much. Will you ever do tutorials that we can buy online as I really like your cinematic videos. I aspire to be better at cinematography
Why I don’t see crop mood on modules menu?
in the module menu its name is "crop_rec.mo"
Is it simple to return to the normal Photo mode when I want to, and open Crop mood again later? If so, how do I do that?
If I want to shoot some pictures, what I do, it's when I turn on the camera I press and hold the set button. This will bypass the crop mood magic lantern hack, and I select manual photo mode other than movie mode. Now you will be able to use the camera in its native way. To return to the crop mood: I turn off the camera and I turn on again this time without pressing the set button, and obviously I switch from photo mode to movie mode.
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks!
Mine can record 7secs only ?
Hi, what SD card are you using ?
I having a hard time with the external monitor. I got it to work with the crop mood, but none of the information at the top and bottom displays, and when I go to the menu it’s super zoomed in so I can’t read it. Can you help me?
What monitor do you use? What resolution and mode? and what are your HDMI setting in your Magic Lantern menu.
@@russo-filmmaking portkeys pt5iiis my monitor
4.8k 1920x1080
@@russo-filmmaking how do I check my hdmi settings?
@@Theclevercadaver under the display tab,"HDMI output". I let it turned ioff, but you can try with the options availables and see if you can solve the problem. Be sure to have "global draw on all modes". Also try your monitor with kill global draw on and kill global draw off. And finally check your resolution ( if you set a resolution different from the crop mood presets, probably it could be the problem)
Hallo Sergio. What Memory card are you using and what write speeds do you get when running the benchmark and do you run the test in Photo or Movie mode ? Asking since i can barely get any settings to become green...
NVM.. The 240 overclock stopped working for some reason.....
I used for 14 months a Sandisk Extreme Pro 170MB/s 256Gb, it dead just a few days ago after filming my short film. Now I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 200MB/s 256G: Last time I ran a benchmark was about 3 month ago with Danne Build and I only remember that I get around 75MB/s in movie mode. Green depends in which mode do you film and bit depth. I can shoot 4.8k 14 bit or 5.2K 12bit continuos if lighting is well exposed with no very bright areas
What do you mean? can't set it to on? or you don't see the option?
@@russo-filmmaking All of a sudden the 240option doesn't do anything so I have to use the 192 option now.. Maybe my card is breaking down. I'm using bilals build btw.
@@russo-filmmaking thx for the info 👍
I bought Eos M but the Set button does not work. Can I use the ML menu without pressing the "SET" key?
probably You can use the touchscreen instead of the set button. But I suggest you to buy a cheap replacement for the button interface on Aliexpress and there is quite a bit of content on how to replace that interface in the EOS M mlvr raw facebook group
@@russo-filmmaking thank you for answering. I ordered from Aliexpress and will repair it as soon as it arrives. I found a repair video on RUclips for key replacement.
help me! i did all the steps and after reboot i hold down the trash can but it doesn't show anything!
what EOS M firmware are you using ?
I get the "Movie Recording Stopped Automatically" right when i press the record button no matter what the exposure is. Ive tried 3 different SD cards. If anyone could help that would be amazing. Thank you
please let me now what sd card you used to see if I can help with your issue.
You don't have an external microphone? How do you record your voice overs?
I have an external mic that I connect directly to the camera when I film , and connect it to my Mac when I grab my voice over. I don’t have an external audio recorder ( external mic and external audio recorder are different gears)
@@russo-filmmaking Gotcha. Thanks for explaining.
How do we convert the crop into a normal ratio? Do we have to do it on mlv app or davinci?
if you export in cinemaDNG from MLV to Davinci Resolve, you have to de-squeeze the footage in Davinci Resolve, You can do that easily, setting the correct aspect ratio in your project and then stretching your clips in the Retiming and scaling tab under the inspector. If you export your clip from MLV as prores, MLV automatically will stretch your clip.
Can you shoot in 16x9 in 2.8K mode? Or only 2:35:1?
in 1:1 crop mood you can shoot 1440P 16:9 aspect ratio (2560x1440) crop factor 3.28x. If you want 2.8k you can only shoot in 2.35:1 aspect ratio
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks for the reply! I have some Super 16 lenses so I like to shoot with a 3x crop, but in 16x9, is 1:1 1440p the highest resolution I can do that in?
did you tried 1x3 4.2K or 1X3 UHD 16:9 aspect ratio, both are amazing even if crop factor is only about 2x: give then a try, probably they can work. In 1:1 mode 1440P is the only option.
Guys, tell me how to stretch 4.8k 1x3 2.35 in davinci resolve? Thanks 😥
Hi, first be sure to set your resolution project with the correct aspect ratio which is 2.35:1, so in this case (4.8k) you have to set the Davinci Project resolution to 4800x2040. Because when you film in 4.8K your resolution is 1600x2040 where you have to multiplay 1600x3= 4800. After that selecting the clip or various clips at the same time in your media pool or your timeline, go to your inspector tab, select retiming and scaling, then scaling, and from the pop menu select stretch. Your clip (or clips) now will have the correct aspect ratio.
In case of 4.8k I suggest you to set the project with 1600x 680 ( where 680 is 2040/3), then use the stretching method I explain above, and make your editing and color. Finally when the project is ready before to export it, change your project setting to 4800x2040 and export it super-scaling tx3 (for better quality). Working on a lower resolution (but with the correct aspect ratio) It will help you during the editing process if you don't have a powerful pc or Mac
@@russo-filmmaking Thanks a lot 🤝
@@russo-filmmaking Shouldn't the movie export be 1920x1080 or 3840x2160? All these other resolutions are not video formats. Really only need 1920x1080 since 4k tvs will do the upscale with hardware. Only interested in 4k because almost every tv now is 4k and they are dirt cheap--like $250.
@@S.Mullen I come from Italian cinematography, when about 20 years ago I filmed different project in 35mm and 16mm. So I film almost all the time in 2.35:1 which is my prefer aspect ratio. Movies or a lot of cinematographic TV series are mainly filmed in 2.35:1 or 2.39:1. You can easily work in 1920x1080 or 3840x2160 Ultra HD using 1x3 4.2k 16:9 which I explained in the video or 3x3 1080P mode . This are the correct modes in order to export in 16:9 aspect ratio from Davinci, which is the format that you like.
Have a Problem...it all works til 3:59 i clicked Menu but i only See the Canon Menu with the 4 arrows and Not the ml Menu...can someone Help?
try to press info button and then again menu.
Thx
I can only record for 7 seconds with san disk extreme PRO and recommended settings from u. Even if the video shows green, then it freezes
check if in your raw tab bit-depth is set to lossless. If not you have to set it to lossless and never touch it again. You have to set your bit depth only from the crop mood tab
@@russo-filmmaking thanks for your reply.
I checked and it was on 14 bit lossless.
So strange it worked like a week ago.
But everything is green and the after 7sec it hangs and i have to pull out the battery
@@cg1582what Sandisk Extreme Pro card are you using. Let me know the complete specifications.
@@russo-filmmaking
Im using the
SanDisk Extreme Pro SDXC Class 10 UHS-I U3 V30 170/90MB/s 128GB
Is focus peaking on by default?
no, you have to turn on it under your overlay tab
In 4.2 and above I get only about 3 seconds, Why is that?
make sure you have select 14-12-11-10 bit loss-less under your raw tab and not uncompressed