Explained: Castlevania vs Curse of the Moon | Gettin' Super Nerdy [SSFF]
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There's more than just Castlevania in this retro throwback! Derek explains every Castlevania and retro gaming influence in Bloodstained Curse of the Moon (everyone he can find, anyway).
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It's been years in the making, but Derek "the madman" finally did it. He actually found a way to squeeze a title drop for the whole channel into a video.
That deserves some mad props right there.
Interesting thing about the first seven bosses is that they seem to be based off of the seven deadly sins
1st boss- Gluttony- The first boss continually shoves coal into it's "mouth" throughout the whole fight
2nd boss- Sloth- This one is somewhat a weaker association than the other bosses but I think it fits, the boss is based off of a turtle which is often associated with being slow, as well as looking as if it is riding it's lower body like a vehicle
3rd boss- Greed- This is pretty self explanatory
4th boss- Envy- Similar with sloth this association is somewhat weaker but the sin of envy is often associated with the beast Leviathan, which this boss is fairly similar to
5th boss- Pride- This boss is very flamboyant and bright, it's based off of a peacock as well which creates a look that seems very prideful to me
6th boss- Lust- Again somewhat self explanatory, female vampires/succubi have often been associated with lust and temptation
7th boss- Wrath- Out of all the bosses this one especially has a very quick, angry, and destructive moveset, attacking the player like it personally wants to wipe you off the planet with all it's heart
You're right. I love when games do this
They're also all named after Goetic demon lords of Hell.
@@Hawkent
A commenter on a boss rush video observed that the bosses designs are based on their namesakes, give or take some liberties.
Except for the Glutton Train, all it got was a compliment on changing up a trope.
Bruh, excellent observation.
Once again, Derek reveals his insane ability to research the bloody hell out of a "niche" topic, and delivers the scoop with his signature blend of attention to detail, humor, eloquence, intelligence, and quirky awesomeness. *Infernal Hails*
But he forgot that whilst he is right about the problem with the final stage in Castlevania 3 that in the Japanese version you will start at the staircase if you lost to Dracula
The bunny girls are definitely like the combat maids you find in later Castlevanias. Also surprised you didn't acknowledge Rondo's Death fight for the top of the ship mast. Its 100% a reference to that.
I was afraid of "the kickstarter curse", but after this game, I think Iga is gonna deliver.
Coleco 84 Look my friend, even in the worst scenario where Ritual of the Moon its bad... we got this awesome game and also, will help Iga to make more games like this one, so im optimistic even in the worst scenario :3
Only problem is its fucked on PC. Controllers don't work with it. I've searched Google multiple times to try and find a solution. The only solution is to u plug absolutely everything from your pc except the monitor. But then u can't click on the game to start it. It's trash. The Japanese developers never give a shit about pc
+duffman18 download a program called Joy2Key. then program the controller through that. now your contoller works keyboard inputs, making every program controller friendly
@@sariarosegold thank you. I tried xpadder and x360ce and they didn't work
OK xpadder IS joy padder it seems. Doesn't work. All I can do with either program is get B to mean right on the dpad and A mean left for some bizzare reason. Absolutely terrible port
The last level is probably a réference to Gestu Fuuma Den, a classic konami game on Famicom. Iga already referenced it in Harmony of Despair btw.
Also, the city in the ending of nightmare mode is the one from Gunvolt, which is a spirital successor to Megaman Zero developed by Inticreates. It might imply that Zengetsu may be a playable character in the Mighty Gunvolt game.
Damn, no wonder it looked so familiar. The last level looks like a Japanese hell and everything.
Its no megaman zero but megaman zx
I don't know if you missed it, but the greatest gag to me is the 2nd painting mini-boss is totally Igarashi; cowboy hat and all.
The first painting is Michiru Yamane
Just to bring up the odd enemy designs: a lot of them are inspired by demons described in the Ars Goetia, or the Lower Key of Solomon, as well as some nods to the Eldritch Abominations of the Cthulu Mythos and some slightly modern folklore. The only major exception would be the final level of nightmare mode, which is filled with creatures from shinto lore and some stuff.
The hearts being for things other than health reminds me of when I first played Kid Icarus, thinking the hearts were health, when they were actually currency
Derek, Have you played Rondo of Blood? There's a couple of references to that game you missed. For example, the entirety of the Ship level heavily references Rondo of Blood. The Ghost Painting from Rondo was also in the ship level. The way you climb the mast to fight the final boss, and the way you see the silhouette of the boss prior to it approaching from the top of the screen is similar to the way Death appears in that same stage of Rondo of Blood. Not to mention the desperation attacks that every boss uses upon death was also present in Rondo.
Thankfully I wasn't the only one wo noticed this!
Rondo of blood is a very underappreciated game and I hope it gets more love from now on since it was made available to the west in the Wii Shop Chanel and through the remake on the PSP :)
Everyone is talking about rondo being underappreciated, if it is underappreciated then Dracula X chronicles is even MORE underappreciated and before you say the graphics suck, that's your opinion, and I respect that, but I like the graphics of the Remake, and it comes with a fully dubbed version of Rondo of blood, if you don't like the dub (I think correct me if I'm wrong) you can switch the language to Japanese, so the PSP rondo of blood remake is the best
@TheKHfan358over3d People think Dracula X's graphics suck? I think they're awesome, they almost have a hand-drawn quality.
There's a ship level in Dracula's Curse too you know...
RotomLandry No he hasnt played Rondo of Blood. He thinks richter has his slide in Rondo and Sotn.
Love all your in depth videos and positive attitude. So sick of cynicism in gaming.
37:25 Pretty sure Bloodless is a reference to Hungarian noble woman named Elizabeth Báthory (in popular culture, she bathe in the blood of her victims to retain her beauty or youth).
Yup. What's funny is that there's a character in the Castlevania series that is ALSO based on her. The villainess of Castlevania Bloodlines for the SEGA Genesis, "Elizabeth Bartley".
She also is Dracula's niece so Alucard is her cousin according to official CV lore.
even more when taking the slayer music into consideration
The "zangetsu in a modern city" ending is also a reference to Lords of Shadow 1's stinger ending, with Gabriel in a modern city
Inti Creates know their shit. Lots of references to Castlevania, Mega Man, and Ninja Gaiden as you said, that's like the holy trinity of challenging NES platformers. You couldn't ask for better sources of inspiration.
I really wish Bloodstained had some of the Rondo of Blood gameplay adjustments with the ability to start momentum in one direction slightly from a stationary jump and letting you get off of stairs while you’re on them. The Maria stuff would be a little too much but the little changes they made to Richter in that game would have been appreciated.
Oh dang didn't even notice that stuff playing Rondo 🤔😮
Your excitement for this makes me happy. A properly done throwback is always awesome to see.
You seem to know everything about this game except how to pronounce Zangetsu
Derek needs to watch some Bleach to learn how to pronounce Zangetsu
Or just...look at the letters and the order they're in. Hepburn was designed to be instantly readable.
its especially weird when you've seen his old video on the Hori Gamecube controller and other Japanese things and he pronounces Japanese just fine... I almost think he messed up Zangetsu either as a joke or just for funzies.
it pronounce Zangets.
Pretentious “pronunciation elitist” at our “service”...
I'm actually kind of shocked that you didn't mention the fact that the last painting battle in the game is actually Iga himself. Dig the reference break down though.
Good video as always Derek keep up the excellent work sir :)
Great stuff man! Nice to see Your genuine love for castlevania and other Classics. ❤️
Great video. Altough i noticed most of these references, some i definitely didnt notice, and i admire the fact that you actually took the time to include footage showing the specific reerence in older castlevania games.
50:40
You glorious bastard.
35:53
that's not scissor man, derek. that's SCISSOR MANE, ICEIST GANGSTA COMING OUTTA HOUSTON!!
*airhorns intensify*
Now I gotta watch that Clock Tower review again just to hear that line.
Wait... which of the videos did he say it in?
*rewatches all related videos*
NOT THE SCISSOR MAN!
Actually in Lament of Innocence I believe they started doing a thing where the subweapon candles were different colors from the regular ones. Not sure why that didn't stick around much after that point. Also someone let me know when they make Bloodstained 64.
I'm so impressed by your wealth of game knowledge. Particularly because my memory is so awful
One of the nicest minor touches I absolutely adored about this game is the fight with bathing lady that's not at all Elizabeth Bathory. After the first rain of blood attack, the entire room becomes red, as if it were...
....Bloodstained. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
What an awesome video! I'm with you on the the "old school"/Metroidvania division of games, Rondo of Blood and CV3 are some of my favorite games ever. This game isn't very difficult but I had a BLAST getting all the endings and doing the boss rush. And the MUSIC!
P.s. fun note about the logo: the rather crescent moon looking 'C' in Curse of the Moon is cut in half, neat reference to the 8th stage.
38:11
Ah I see you are a man of culture as well!
Great breakdown dude!
Lady in a bathtub. There is an old story about a noblewoman in eastern Europe about the same time as Vlad Dracula was alive where she would bathe in the blood of young girls to keep herself looking young and beautiful. This is 1 of the key components to modern vampire lore as we know it today.
Elizabeth Bathory the Hungarian blood countess her story was one of Bram stoker's inspirations in writing Dracula hence where Count Dracula's blood-drinking came from.
Great analysis! Also the boss desperation attacks first appeared in Castlevania: Rondo of Blood.
awesome video, dude. probably not viable but would love to see more vids like this in the future exploring all the references (cheeky and otherwise) in games as you play through to the end. super entertaining!
SUCH a good video! Thank you so much for this, been playing Castlevania since the first on the NES and I thought so similarly to you when playing this awesome game :).
Amazing video like always! I really enjoy every single piece of reference and nods to other games. Keep it up the good work.
I'm glad you went so in depth with all the nods and references here, this has become my favourite game of 2018 hands down and is the second game I've ever 100% completed. (By the way, I believe the canon ending is either Zangetsu solo no murder route or Zangetsu and Gebel as we do see the castle is around in Ritual, but it could be like Castlevania where the castle will come back eventually)
30:45 I'm pretty sure this boss is a reference to the Orphic Vipers boss in Super Castlevania 4.
But yeah, I *really* like the design of this boss too.
One thing I notice is that they paid homage to the Famicom version of Akumajo Dracula a.k.a. Castlevania III with the FM music versus the less dynamic chiptune music used in the U.S. NES version. Nicely done.
This game is so awesome! I hope they make more sequels in the future.
I'm sure they will. It's too good.
Im getting my ps4 pro next week. My wallet is gonna hate me.
So sick of seeing this user with upvoted comments lol
Sato Cry more, bitch nigga.
Sequel, you say? I'M INTERESTED IN THIS!
It is strange Derek did not bring our attention to all the Eternal Darkness references in this game
I like how BSCotM is like an old-school nes style and BSRotN is a more modern in the style of a PlayStation game it's a great start to a new series born from the great Castlevania series
Stage 4 music is so good, I did everything in this game. Beat it like 8 times in a row, the Castlevania 3 sequel I always wanted!
That is not only a reference to the intro of Mega Man 2 but it is Azure Striker Gunvolt's city as well
Man, I'd love to see a sequel to this with 16-32 bit Rondo/SOTN Pixel art and spritework. If you look at the same dev's upcoming game Dragon Marked for Death, you'll see they're more than capable. That'd be amazing
The bunny girls are similar to the Maids in Castlevania Chronicles.
One reference that springs to mind is on the map; If you play the 8-bit version to Sonic 1 (whether on the Master System or Game Gear), the map screen in that is very similar in concept to Curse of the Moon. Obviously, it's not the only game to have done it; the Wily Castle levels from the Mega Man series spring to mind also (and I _think_ Castlevania 1 works has it too?), but still it's worth noting.
Why do we need to stop skeletons from fighting.
thepurplemudkip999 because it is unhealthy for the skeletons. They should resolve their anger In a peaceful manner.
Deep down, we are all skeletons on the inside.
Look at what the skeletons do when they're not fighting - they point out the right way and be really helpful bone buddies. We need more of them.
A bit late to the party here, but I've heard that Curse of the Moon is confirmed separate continuity from Ritual of the Night. That said, I'm very curious to see if they do anything more with this classic branch of the series.
Great analysis and the ending was absolutely worth it!
Only bought this game yesterday, it is so sick completed it twice already can't wait for the sequel.
Can't believe it took me 2 years to get round to it, it's the perfect 8bit homage imo.
That last reference probably wasn't intentional, but I think everyone here is gonna believe it was intentional just because they can.
personal easter eggs are always the most fun, because only you get the joke, and then its yours to tell other people
This video rules on so many levels. This game is great and I really hope they make more in this style.
I'm surprised you didn't point out how the casual mode removes knock back in the same way the easy mode in the japanese (Famicom Disk version if I recall correctly) removed knockback also (along with other things including starting off with 9 lives, although unlike Bloodstained's casual mode giving you infinite lives).
Yooo this was amazzzzing. Thank you for putting me on to this game 😍
Goonies 2 is one of my favorite games on the NES. Always good to hear some love for that game.
Hey, I was at your panel at pax and im glad to see your content lived up to the standards you set there, keep up the amazing content and ill be happy to join as a sponsor!
The "WORMS" in Stage 8 are actually shattered bits of glass.
Props on the channel namedrop, finally a game gave you the chance!
That demon zangetsu boss is sick as f just an all around awesome game
Within the first 48 seconds I got some of the worst mixed signals, luckily this video is from 2018, and no where near the release date (as many know now, Ritual of the Night is probably one of the best Metroidvania, hell, Castlevania games in the last 10 years, might be one of the best ever).
The desperation attacks are a reference to Castlevania Rondo of Blood which was the first Castlevania game the iga had a significant hant in (also one of the best). Every one of the bosses have a desperation attack that you can avoid although none of them are capable of killing you.
The lack of Weapon power ups is also very Rondo of Blood.
Love it. I can probably hear you talk about details in games all day but if I may give a small critic, I always loved your taste and your dissection of music, wish you spoke about the music a bit more especially since Castlevania has some of the most iconic of any video game.
First of all, your channel's name is amazing. I saw this vid in my sidebar recommendations and was like "Eh, I already know everything about Curse of The Moon, I don't need to watch an hour long video about it right now." but the channel name was amusing enough that I begrudgingly clicked anyway.
Good video overall, though I feel you did miss a few things. When you killed Miriam, you didn't show off the jumping arc slash that you get from her in the same way you did when killing Alfred and Gebel and immediately showing off their upgrades. No mention whatsoever during the ship level that it's one giant reference to Ritual of The Night, wherein the ship(the Galleon Minerva) is the intro level that we've known about since as far back as the 2016 E3 demo. Mrs. "just a lady in a tub" is clearly Elizabeth Báthory, the Blood Countess. Or that the second painting enemy which you edited past entirely is Lord IGA himself.
wow it has been a long time since you did one of theses, your Super Nerdy on splatterhouse is still one of my favorite videos.
The only disappointing thing about this game IMO is the sound font they used. They really should've used a VRC6 famicom style. Someone on YT rearranged one of the tracks and it's incredible.
Yeah I felt the same, but the OST is still pretty good overall.
I disagree. The way that they did it, this is more faithfull to the old nes music that everyone grew used to, hitting the nostalgia right on the mark.
Richter WLK the goal should've been to make it sound like it was a retro Castlevania game. That would mean utilizing similar sound design and style to the early NES Castlevania games. This doesn't sound like it was made by Konami as they had a very, VERY specific sound to their games.
THERES NO CLOCKTOWER LEVEL??? FUCK YEAH I GOTTA GET THIS GAME NOW.
I love metroidlites and castlevania games but goddamn if the clocktowers arent the most infuriating difficulty spike in gaming history.
Big reference, not sure if you noted, for Solo Zangetsu.
Each of his abilities stem from Zero from Mega Man Zero. The dash, the 'crescent jump slash', the double jump and most important of all, the Ultimate Mode secret, the Charged slash, all big direct references.
And a tiny one only big Mega Man Zero fans would note; if you hold down when you're using the Crescent Slash, it'll stay out indefinitely until you land. Exactly the same as Mega Man Zero.
Did you miss that the music at the file select screen is a tribute to the music from the Symphony of the Night file select screen?
They have the same rhythm and tones, only the pitch seems to have been changed.
I noticed that on my first start of the game. :)
I randomly found your channel just watching bloodstained videos because I’m pretty much playing them all currently lol I’m liking the channel tho. That intro is so cool I love it.
Excited to see my name on the Patreon list! Love the channel Derek, definitely buying this when I get a chance
I love these playthroughs where you analyze the game. I first discovered you channel when you were covering silent hill 2, my favorite horror game, and was pleased to see you cover this game as well.
11:44. Looks like someone stopped that skeleton from fighting.
I just now noticed the Castle is a Hand
35:50 scariest scissorman in gaming. Like seriously the way these guys appear out of nowhere without warning makes them the creepiest thing I've ever seen holding scissors.
42:15 YOU CAN WALK ACROSS THE GAP?! I always flew with Gerbil!
Bloodstained is a great game. Just beat it for the first time yesterday. I grew up playing Castlevania I - IV and can't recommend this game enough.
the monsters at 34:03 are totally a reference to buer/bael monsters in some of the metroidvanias, cmon derek where u at!
Nice video! A couple more of facts:
1 - the bosses do a final special move before dying, just like in Rondo of Blood. However, this time the final move can't kill you. I think there is a 1up bonus if you manage to avoid such final attack.
2 - the eagles dropping hunchbacks from CV1 appear in stage 4, not in stage 3.
3 - the dragon boss from stage 4 resembles the Twin Zombie Dragon boss from Circle of the Moon. Such game has the same initials, CotM, as this one. Its attack pattern also resembles the Angel Mummy boss from CV II: Belmont's Revenge.
4 - the boat is not only a reference to Rondo of Blood, but to CV III itself. It also resembles Galleon Minerva from B:RotN demo, and both stages even have the same song (Voyage of Promise / Sunder the Night).
5 - The five-legged lion enemy from the library is clearly the Bael enemy from Aria of Sorrow.
That's all I can think of right now, if anyone has any other one please share!
Zangetsu's posture reminds a lot of Ryu in Ninja Gaiden.
Great job Derek.
I was kind of hoping the ending with Zengetsu waking up in the future would lead to him being a DLC character in Mighty Gunvolt Burst.
The iron maiden room reminds me of Shinobi III and the brains in the pods, and then the scissor guy reminds me of the first spear boss of the same Shinobi.
I love how I'm just automatically reminded of these minor characters from nostalgic games of my past! The good ol days lol.
Minor thing: love the stage titles akin to Rondo; wouldn't be surprised if "Nocturnal Temptation" references a particular stage either.
30:32 I know I'm extremely late to this, but I wanted to point out the music here. It sounds like a more fleshed out variation of the Alien 3 on NES music (which is just 5 seconds looped incessantly through the whole game). Seriously, listen to them both if you ever see this comment, lol.
See someone genuinely enjoy a video game is one of the few reasons RUclips is still worth it as a viewing platform right now.
The ending where Zangetsu is in the futuristic place also implies that he's ended up in the Gunvolt world.
Actually, that's the Sumeragui's building in Azure Striker Gunvolt
You are the first youtuber to make me become a patreon supporter.
the broken bridge at 20:30 can also be a reference to the Castlevania Adventure game, where hitting the eyeballs would make holes in the bridge :) !
oh my god the ending was so worth it
I bought this game because of this video and I finally beat it in normal and nightmare mode. Loved it.
Can we all talk about the OST of this game ? Such a masterpiece !
+1 sub by the way, great video about a great game
As a fan of Clock Tower, I noticed too the Scissorman aka Bobby Barrows (Burroughts in Japan). Great Video and great bunch of references you found. Congratulations for finding the big secret of the end of the video. :)
Do you think you’ll be doing something like this with the new Bloodstained game? I missed this video when it came out for some reason and I’m just seeing it now - I love all of the info you drop while playing since I grew up on Castlevania. However SotN is perhaps my favorite Castlevania so it’d be awesome to see you do the same thing with that game!
40:32 im pretty sure these creatures are referencing the locust that abaddon uses to attack in Dawn of sorrow and Portrait of ruin
SKELETONS STOPPED FIGHTING! Yoooooo! Also Derek, the ship boss is also a reference to the boss battle you have with Death in Rondo of Blood, but yeah clearly a Storm Eagle ref too.
The quick characters switch is a reference to Portrait of Ruins,Jonathan and Charlotte can be selected at any time.
Dude, I DEVOURED this game when it came out. Played it straight through one night and then went on to beat Nightmare and Ultimate. Amazing Boss Battles, Music, Gameplay.
The whole of Stage 9 really reminds me of Getsufu Maden.
I noticed that, too. Zangetsu seems like a nod to Getsu Fuma in design, especially with the abilities you get in the solo/kill allies play.
The girl in the bathtub is a clear reference to Elizabeth Báthory.
Seeing all these references was really cool. That must've taken forever to find all that footage, lol
For boss 2 and the timing: there's a rumbling noise and it goes through 3 pitches/tones/something. As soon as you hear the 3rd pitch you jump and he'll fly over your head.
I'm officially interested in this!!
The true last boss is one of my favorite last bosses ever.
The ending of the video was AMAZING!
Inticreates were also behind the amazing Megaman zero series , this guys are very talented at 2D action games .