Shot a deer at 77 yards with a 450gr rip TKO with an exodus, 70lb draw at 28.5” draw and completely shattered her shoulder and broadhead was still in perfect shape!
Mark, so rad every time QAD re-trumps the rest of the competition. Please, please, PLEASE don't let them ever sell QAD to another company or outsource production! I don't wanna shoot anything else and I want my 4-year-old to be able to buy these same broadheads when he's grown.
My favorite broad heads hands down. Got sold on them when the guy setting up my bow at the archery shop took me out back and shot clean through a 1/4” steel plate lol
@@TopPinOutdoorsx That's what I like to hear far shots still going through bones. BUT I saw several test that people had and the say they are not as accurate as stated by QAD as field point accurate. Plus out of 3 in the pack they said when each of them was weighted they was all different in weight. I use a ravin crossbow and am thinking about getting them but when I heard or saw the accuracy test and how much each head was off in weight wise to each other it turned me off a little. But I am still thinking about trying them but not 100% sold on them.
My question is why was the shoulder blade in the middle of the gel wouldn’t you want to but the shoulder blade close to the edge. For the most accurate test
I would also like to see more heads that open up and I want to see them back up to about 20 to 40 yards also bring the bone forward more and put card bored on the front
Never thought I would see the day that Seek One and KG Made put their brains together. This will be something awesome. Can’t wait to see what happens down the road!
I use the grim reaper mechanical broadheads and those things and no joke! They’ve went through every bone I’ve ever hit. Even with a 45 pound draw! Just bagged a doe today and went through both ribs and we about a foot and a half in the ground!
Absolutely love my QAD exodus broadheads. Shot a doe a few weeks ago at 12 yards quartering too me. Completely blew the shoulder apart and left a great blood trail. She didn’t run far.
I like the test...the one area I believe that is the weakness of the test...the bone itself...I understand it had to be dry to have it implemented, but a dry bone is nothing like a live bone. The shattering and breakage you saw is due to dry. A live bone is more fibrous and dense. I believe that may have different results
The only comment I have is that a shoulder blade is not behind 8 inches of flesh in a deer. Obviously an Exodus kicks ass in almost all circumstances, but your rage might give you a different story if you were hitting the scapula 1 inch deep and then still got 8 more inches into the vitals. When you are only getting 16ish inches of penetration, you have burned through half the arrows energy before you contact the scapula. I think you also need to compare them all going first through cardboard. That will be robbing energy from the rage the others didn't suffer. There is real effort involved cutting cardboard with a razor/box cutter. Same would be true for the broad heads. I love your videos. Keep up the good work.
I'll 2nd that. The scapula isn't that deep. They could put a scapula at each end of the block and get twice the use. Awesome testing but there's still tweaks.
Y'all need to get some cow femurs for your broadhead test. They are usually pretty uniform in size and would definitely represent a worse case scenario. Also I think shaft drag on the arrows is so high with ballistic gel it's kinda comparing apples to oranges. Hide muscle and organs are all very elastic and really slick.
Great video! Awesome testing. My tweaks - scapula not soooo deep, thick leather before the gel Sharpness - before and after going through bone. Needs to stay sharp after breaking the bone.
I thought the same thing about the depth, but I think they're simulating hitting the back scapula, preventing a passthru. That was a problem I had with early expandables.
@@jasonmitchell43 i don't think that's what they were doing. Because if you pass through the 1st but stop on the 2nd, you've just passed through everything vital for the deer to survive. There wouldn't be the lost deer they talk about. I think the Rage's problem is that it's trying to make such a BIG hole and the blades aren't swept back enough.
@@mikemcgill3998 I lost a deer with a well placed quartering away shot because it stuck in the back scapula. It definitely did vital damage, but the deer hit some brush and broke the arrow off. We lost blood when we found the back of the arrow.
@@jasonmitchell43 that sucks. I hate losing deer. I've shot a few over the decades that have been lost. Still twists my guts. One buck i swear aliens came down and lifted him straight up. Blood trail was awesome...... then nothing. Three of us searched and searched. After the shot, he stopped about 50yds away. Long enough for me to see at least 6 inches of arrow sticking out the bottom of his chest. Blood was very visible. I wish I knew what happened to that one. That haunts me and it was 22yrs ago.
@@mikemcgill3998 I've hit some and missed some clean over the years, but the 2 that stick with me are the one that broke off my arrow, and I had a nice 8 that was stolen. Neighboring land owner wouldn't let me track onto his property that night, He checked the deer in the next morning. Just sickening. The check station was hanging up a Polaroid of him with the deer when we went in for lunch that day.
This is by far one of the coolest and most interesting videos I’ve seen on RUclips in a while! As a chemist I appreciate everything you are doing to scientifically make a better broad head, from a hunters perspective I appreciate the physically testing for worst case scenario in the field. Already looking forward to seeing the next video of this process. Good luck, and I can’t wait to hopefully see a final product.
Excellent thought went into developing this content. I believe an archers goal is to achieve a full pass thru every time. I decided awhile back that balance is my number one objective in my set up. Speed vs momentum, penetration vs cutting diameter. Either extreme will achieve results for the designed situation but, a well balanced arrow will let you both accurately shoot at range and achieve significant penetration. Same reason I stay away from expandables. They’re designed to accomplish one job extremely well, but they sacrifice too much in penetration to be a relative option in my opinion.
Guys great job. I am a long time hunter the rage head seems to provide one heck of a hole through a deer. If you hit the shoulder most likely you will not get a pass through the deer will bleed to death internally when you open them a 5 gal bucket of blood comes out. When you hit them just off the shoulder and get a pass through blood goes everywhere. Take your time and make the best shot possible. I know that my skill is limited to 30 yards. Good job on taking the time to show the difference between the heads. They all make a killing wound.
Your first broadhead video sold me on Exodus. I used to use rage but I lost a buck when I hit it in the shoulder. This year I used the QAD and it performed better than any broadhead I’ve used. Thanks for the video!
As an engineer and hunter that was a fantastic video. I switched from mechanicals to fixed in my new setup. Shot a medium sized doe last week. Quartered on heavily inside of 20 yards. I went thru the top of the scapula, lung, everything connecting the pump station, guts, and into the rear quarter. Head broke off lodged in the femur, partially breaking the joint. I was very impressed plus the broadhead was intact, with very minor damage to the tip which could be fixed and re-used as a backup.
Was definitely hoping to see a better variety of heads than these. A rage in my opinion is far from the best mechanical head. Great way of testing heads would love to see it with more heads.
Agreed .. I was a rage diehard, but after a few major quartering deflections, and an upsetting shoulder shot, I gave up on them. Since then, I've switched to Magnus Black Hornets and Grim Reaper Pro 3 blades (BOTH made in the USA too). I've never looked back.
Just don’t shoot bear with the serrated black hornets! I always shoot a little back on bear to get a double lung and also guarantee exit wound. The serrated black hornet somehow pulled about 8” of fat out of the exit wound and there was 0 blood 😬 Fortunately bear only went 70 yds or so. Straight blade magnus on bear for this fella from now on! Just FYI! Happy hunting bud
Literally had a Rage Hypodermic split a doe's femur in half and embed itself in the pelvis a few weeks ago. I knew it was a poor shot so I let it sit for a few hours. Went back in and found the doe 200 yards in dead in her first bed. I was honestly pleasantly surprised with the results.
I like the theory on this. One question though or observation is the amount of gel in front of the shoulder blade vs the amount of meat, hide in front of the shoulder blade. There is only 1-2 inches on an animal tops and you have 4+ inches of gel. I feel that would make a penetration difference and the Rage is at a disadvantage on the test. Thank you guys great info.
Up to 3" on a deer and more on a Moose. Add a layer of deerskin or elk leather glued to the face. To simulate the dulling effect. And to demonstrate how wide blades lose more speed punching big holes in thick hide vs narrower broadheads. The flint stone arrowhead guys hunt with 3/4 or 7/8" wide arrowheads. Very narrow, right at the state legal lower limit for cutting width. They get full pass-thru shots routinely, shooting only 50-70 grain stone heads on medium weight shafts. Maybe 450-550 grains. They don't split bone but can wedge buried in a spine and be very lethal for all except square on shoulder hits.
@@Triple_J.1 3"... Must be a North Pole deer? I have not ever saw that much on any deer. But I'm a young buck yet... Also, full pass through with an inch diameter head requires a exponentially less margin of error. I guess if you use FMJ to hunt with your rifles, it makes sense and I agree with the broadhead logic.
From experience, I keep telling friends, the Rage will work great but will break your heart on a big buck you waited your whole life for. or large doe. "Just say no to expandable!" I have great results with the Cut Throat but damn expensive for bow hunting. So i only use my Cut Throat from elevated stands.
Again and again Cut On Contact Fixed Blade. If you are unsure of which broadhead to use just get any decent cut on contact fixed and get out in the woods. It's a no-brainer (to this guy). No one should be surprised at these results. This is all just opinion, but personally I can't understand anyone putting a wide mechanical razor blade on the front of an arrow and going out into the woods praying you don't hit bone. Keeping in mind that this test was performed with a fairly heavy setup! Lots of momentum and FOC with a mid 500 grain arrow at 70 pounds! And it still couldn't push the mechanical through.
I used to torture test every broadhead I bought. I destroyed more heads than I really want to think about, including the Exodus. The only head I have used that has stood up to ridiculous abuse has been the Cutthroat. I split a cow femur into two pieces with a Cutthroat 150 grain and the arrow penetrated the foam target another 12-14 inches. The edge had some chatter, but it was resharpenable. The VPA heads are great, too. People used 2-blade fixed heads to cleanly kill animals for a long time before the modern broadhead craze. I like to keep things simple. Shot a bull elk with a 2-blade VPA in 2019. He ran 50 yards and piled up. Love the one piece machined broadheads over the replaceable blade type.
Is it just me or are they about to change the course of history of broadhead and other things towards hunting? Getting the masterclass for Christmas less do this
Um, they're testing someone else's theory for themselves. The industry is in the middle of changing already and this video is the result. Dr. Ashby done the work and the Ranch Fairy spread the word... how are you going to credit these guys coming in now?
I just started using shwacker broadheads last year first deer I shot hit it in the shoulder and buried in the offside, I thought I wouldn't find it but it only went 20 yards and tipped over I was very impressed, blades are still straight and extremely sharp
I'm glad ya'll were honest about that Rage. In 2019 I decided to try their newest mechanical and shot the biggest buck of my life @ 10 yards using a bow with 62 lbs draw weight. Unfortunately it hit a rib and only penetrated maybe 5". It was the last time I ever tried another broadhead too. Went right back to my Muzzy fixed 3 blade which has never failed me over many years of hunting. Hitting the shoulder bone is one thing, but poor penetration from a rib bone is unacceptable period.
I quit using Rage years ago because of a perfect shot that hit the edge of a fantastic bucks shoulder blade, and ricoched off the bone with only a couple of inches of penetration. I got the buck because the blade cut the main arteries and he bleed to death, but the blade never entered the chest cavity.
Scwhacker have a nice sharp chisel tip paired with a great mechanical blade I’ve blown through 2 ribs and bottom of the shoulder on opposite side while still passing through I pull 70# at 319 FPS
Shot a huge public 8 point last night. I’m 14 and it is my third deer so far. All three have been bucks. But the other two were a button buck and a 4 point. My cousin also shot a 6 or an 8 point today that he chased down but kept bumping. He’s probably going to die, but it will be raining tomorrow so it may be hard to track him sadly.
I don't know if you guys watch lusk archery adventures, but the QAD exodus has tested the best for toughness, sticking into a concrete block with no obvious damage, incredible! Would have like to see the tooth of the nail, 175gr XL tested, another real tough head. As far as mechanical heads the sevr 1.5 has also tested extremely well, almost all the Rage broad heads come apart quite easily. Great video! Love the super slow mo, keep up the good work!
I can say with confidence any of the ironwill broadheads would outperform all of these. They are insane, especially if you use the solid heads. I use the vented wides on whitetails.
Thank you all for what you do love the channel and after getting surgery and not being able to hunt. watching you guys and the THP is awesome and helps cant wait to see what comes from this
@@nate.hanlon pretty much. They preach high foc and cut on contacts. I've never understood the hype around mechanicals honestly. Why would you want to introduce extra variables when you don't need to?
Nah, they used one of the weakest mechanicals for one. 2 RF pushed the heavy part so hard people are actually hurting their performance. Ashby was pushing that theory for heavy pound bows at short distances, to conform to laws.
I hit too far forward with the cutthroat a couple weeks ago. Well it worked and I blew through that shoulder and found my best bow buck. I’m a fan of the single bevels.
Have you seen the new tuffhead evolution 200 grain? Yowzers. So far its the only head that has made me want to cheat on my Magnus Stingers. 20 degree bevel is wicked.
How many times a week during deer season do you hear my rage didn't open up or it failed in some sort of way. You almost never hear anything bad on swhackers
@@paulw4924 fast enough to get the job done. This is my first season goin heavy. Killed 2 so far and the results have been incredible. Quartering to frontal shot on a doe... dropped in her tracks. 30 yard broadside from the ground on an 8 pointer...shoulder to shoulder pass through...didn't go 30 yards and fell over. I would say 260s. I haven't chronographed it yet. Just going by what I've seen speed wise with similar set ups..
I appreciate you guy, THP, ranch ferry all for putting testing this stuff. I'm not against any type of broadheaf. That said I have a mechanical in case...I don't hunt with it never used it just because I'm kinda sketchy about them and figured if I mess up there I don't want to brake a deers ribs or leg or anything and not kill it fast as possible upon shooting it.
Reason I shoot the exodus is because of your last video and the performance it had against other big name broadheads, and this just further proves that was a good choice. I shoot the full, but maybe need to switch to swept
Awesome that you guys are taking it to the next level with the bh's. Not only does it help the hunter that is using it but it is great for the animal to insure that they are not suffering and or walking around wounded after a questionable shot has occurred.thanks for the efforts and the cool look at how its engineered
I am super excited for what you guys have coming in the future. I have been following yall for years and love what yall are doing. I definitely hope you guys can come up with a head that holds up and works. I'm ready to buy them already
@@drewsroo I literally just said one sentence I hope Sevrs marketing info has more information than that😂 I also didn’t know sevrs marketing talks about using other Broadheads. But I guess since This isn’t an outdoors RUclips account I don’t know anything I’m talking about and you clearly know more about my life experience😂
@@TheSouthernObsession ive actually shot 3 deer with Sevr before I switched to coc. Just don't make claims like "Sevr would be the best mechanical on angles" unless you've actually done it on angles. I actually had good experience with Sevr.
Mega meats make a hell of a hole but the skin pulls and covers half or all the major cut through the tissues and doesn’t allow blood to come out as easy. I have seen it on 4 deer now and two of them are from me snd my buddy. It’s crazy
Am I the only guy that would also like to see x2 or x3 of the same head fired? I feel like it will eliminate any accidental human error, if the same head out performs every time that tells me a lot more than 1 head. Again you could have had the perfect shot showing maximum penetration, then take a not as good of a shot on the next head making the performance look worse than it actually is but you won't know it with 1 shot. I really think we need to set a new standard, I know it cost more but I want to see variance eliminated. If we sight in rifles with groups of 3 I feel like that is again the same idea, how can you gauge accuracy with one shot? So even with bows we take 3, but man I'd love to see these penetration tests done with 2 or 3 shots.
I don't really understand why this still gets debated, the 3 blade will smash bone and make a large hole, the mechanical wont go through bone but will leave a large hole and the single and double bevel can pierce bone but lose their energy, isn't the 3 blade a clear winner?
Just out of curiosity would it matter if the bone was not as deep in the gel? Like maybe just a inch of gel then have the bone there? Just wonder if the rage would perform better. I don’t shoot rage but curious to see what would happen if the bone was not as deep
Love you tests. The shoulder blade is upside down. Most people hit the knuckle joint or just above. I once used a broadhead 20years ago called dead ringer. It had 3 thick blades on a split ring. It slid up the tip in groves upon impact. Hands down the best mechanical made. Make this and I will buy it.
Test expendables where they don't travel though 10" of gel before bone. The tests are great but not that close to real anatomy of a deer. The bone is not far under the skin or through much flesh. Love the channel!!
and normally you dont shoot a deer from that close, so i think that extra gel is too slow it down to where it would be have similair velocity to a real world shot
Thank you so much for sharing this video... I just found it about 9 months later and I must say I'm impressed. I do have 1issues for you though. The dried out scapulas you used do not perform accurately to the to live ones, which are softer on the surface, much more flexible, and more spongy in construction than when they are dried out. This added flexibility adds to the issue you are researching. I believe you have shown why fixed blades end up being better when things aren't perfect. When things are perfect, any broadhead will work, but we have to plan on hitting bone, cartilage, and the vitals. I'm definitely not perfect, but I try... You guys can help a lot of hunters do even better. I wish you great success. I currently hunt with VPA single bevel 250gr broadheads.
That is a good design imo, love the tip for strength and ease of sharpening. The testing that I want to see done is the "new" smaller (not 3to1 ratio) heads on bone vs the 3:1 aspect. The thought is that the shorter head offers les drag on the hard bone impacts. Proper testing is needed.
I would love to see y’all do this test with some hybrid heads. I switched to the Rage hybrid 2.3 inch expandable last year. Killed a doe with that head at 28 yards last year. My arrow blew through both shoulders and was stuck in the ground when I recovered it. Would be interesting to see how the hybrid blades perform in this test. Great content guys keep it up!!
I apparently was wrong about the Exodus. It did not look like it would hold up and perform as well as some other designs when dealing with bone, and was still a more modest cut if you had a clean shot. I'll have to look into the flight qualities, but for the typical short range shot that is less important. Glad I took the time to watch this through.
Took a 7 point second day of season. Magnus stinger buzz cut, 55gr outsert, 31 inch draw at 62 pounds. Cut clean through a rib full pass through at 25 yards. He went down in 40 yards.
I’m 14 I’ve been out twice this year and got a nice public land PA 8 point last night and almost didn’t find him because he bled more internally and didn’t drip much
I’ve been shooting sevr since they were ulmer edge. They are awesome. I’ve shot right thru the spin on a straight down shot and have shot thru the shoulder as well with great success if love to see you guys add that blade to the line up. I shoot the 1.5 the 2” is just to much to punch thru bone or like you guys explained those sharp angles. But the sevr I feel does better in the sharp angles cause of the pivoting head design. And lastly the blades are way more stout than the rage I’ve never lost a blade on my sevr heads and I’ve seen many rage blade lose a blade or both in bone and even a rib.
What Lee said is a personal opinion. I shot a doe last year with a rage hypodermic as a quartering away shot and that deer ran less than 30 yards. I broke both shoulders on impact along with taking the lungs and heart out. It’s personal preference and also if you practice a lot at that angle. Another factor is the total arrow weight which can play a huge role
Honestly I believe you may have picked one of the most questionable mechanicals out there. I know you didn't like the screw came loose on the NAP killzone but it performs as good or better than any other mech on quartering shot. The screw coming loose is a dab of loctite and fixed. Also having said all of that the rage would have still made it to vitals no problem. The scapula is far closer to the surface and actual cavity of a deer is far less restrictive than ballistics gel. You're getting to vitals and that deer is dead.
Great video. I went away from the qad about 10 years ago, shot a bull and hit some shoulder, broke off about 5-6 inches of arrow and never recovered the bull. Granted, elk are tough and sh- happens. Personally Iv had tremendous luck with the tooth of the arrow and helix single bevel. Great information on the video!
I know it may seem counterintuitive, but y'all may want to look at arrow head designs from further back in history. Martial use arrows had to break and cut through so much moreto be terminally effective on their targets than hunting broadheads today and perhaps combining the reinforced, swelled tips of medieval broadheads with the super thin edges of the blades of today might get you the combination of bone splitting and flesh cutting that we're looking for in a best case broadhead.
Please try out any of the swhacker broad heads. I’m shooting a 560 grain arrow with the Levi morgan #269 2.5” 125 grain swhacker. It has been DEADLY this year #didntgo20
I just got those for my compound this year but haven't shot anything with them yet. But I have been shooting the 150 gr 3" from my crossbow and they have been devastating!
I shot a big MN 10-point through the shoulder this year with a QAD Exodus - full penetration and the deer traveled less than 100 yards. Except some chattering on one blade, the broadhead looks brand new.
IMO, if the hunting arrow anyone is using won’t bust thru a deer scapula you probably don’t need to be bow hunting. A deer scapula isn’t very thick at all except for one elongated rib down near the joint.
Harvested a buck two days ago with a high shoulder scar from what looked like a mechanical from last year, I switched to the Wasp Sharpshooter and it did the job
For the past couple years I've been shooting a 520ish grain arrow with a 100 grain insert and a 125 grain Exodus on the front. Have it coming out of a VXR at about 308fps. I've had amazing results since switching to this setup... won't be changing my arrow setup any time soon.
I busted ribs. And had mostly pass throughs with the rocket steelhead. And shot deer at hard quartering angles. Awesome little mechanical. The design was sold a couple times. And nobody is making it now. I switched to vpa three blade. Made in my town. And if your broad head was machined,vpa probably made it. Thanks for the test. Loving the channel.
Great videos guys. There’s two things I’d like to ask for future videos. One would be standing say at 15-20 yards for a realistic distance but more importantly for me and some people out there would be shooting about a 50 pound draw weight so people who are disabled or smaller statue or younger can get a good idea on what’s going to happen. I have not come across anybody on RUclips that is doing that. Again great video and I think extremely beneficial and important.
I’m only shooting a 60lb dw 27 dl with shwackers and light arrows, this past season I shot my best bow buck to date and killed it but if luck had not been on my side it would’ve probably died and never been recovered. I center punched a rib and nicked the scapula bending one blade preventing deployment and damaging the other that deployed, what saved me was the angle of impact snuck the arrow forward of the heart slicing a hole in the top of the aorta, deer went 50yds and just stopped dead and fell backwards. After further examination I only had about 7-8” penetration. Scary stuff.
I am interested to see where this goes. I have shot the same head for years as a trad hunter and I won't be an easy sale. I do hunt with a compound on occasion and finding the right head is difficult. I have tried many with ok results. Finally, after years of disappointment I still haven't found a mechanical worth taking afield
Recently shot a medium sized doe at 45-50 yards. She was completely broadside and I was off a bit and hit her dead center of right shoulder. Went completely through and went on to break the left shoulder as well. I was using a Carbon Express Jackal crossbow tipped with the original #207 Shwacker 100 gr expandable. Being that both shoulders were broken she dropped and couldn't go anywhere
I am SO stoked for you guys getting into fixed blades and the science of penetration to produce a more lethal head! Its gonna be neat to see another big youtube channel explore this with the connections you guys have available in a big city like ATL
I shot a deer this past year with the QAD and it went right behind the shoulder on on and completely through the other and blew it apart on a 3 1/2 year old deer, absolutely love them
You also might consider (if you haven't already) the fact that a bone in an animal is living tissue and would be more pliable than a bone that is not in a live and animal that is dry (especially if it has been frozen), therefore more brittle. I still think your test are informative and help with what you are working to accomplish. 👍 But, I'm also a science geek but have a few too many concussions to be in the science fields. 🤷♂️
awesome vid again guys. id like to rebut lee's hesitance on shooting deer at an angle with a mechanical. drop the rage and get you some shwackers. ive cut through 6 ribs and center punched the heart. got the pics to prove it.
i've gotten all my deer using mechanical blades and have success with all angles so far .. 10 + years i have not had any issues even when hitting a rib . i find they hit the rib and twist but they always end up deep into the deer
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Should try the ozcut hurricanes they are the best broadheads I’ve ever used
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Let's go Brandon
This is awesome! I work at QAD as a Quality Control inspector and I am proud to see our product produce the quality we strive for!!
Shot a deer at 77 yards with a 450gr rip TKO with an exodus, 70lb draw at 28.5” draw and completely shattered her shoulder and broadhead was still in perfect shape!
@@TopPinOutdoorsx that’s awesome!
Mark, so rad every time QAD re-trumps the rest of the competition. Please, please, PLEASE don't let them ever sell QAD to another company or outsource production! I don't wanna shoot anything else and I want my 4-year-old to be able to buy these same broadheads when he's grown.
My favorite broad heads hands down. Got sold on them when the guy setting up my bow at the archery shop took me out back and shot clean through a 1/4” steel plate lol
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That's what I like to hear far shots still going through bones. BUT I saw several test that people had and the say they are not as accurate as stated by QAD as field point accurate. Plus out of 3 in the pack they said when each of them was weighted they was all different in weight. I use a ravin crossbow and am thinking about getting them but when I heard or saw the accuracy test and how much each head was off in weight wise to each other it turned me off a little.
But I am still thinking about trying them but not 100% sold on them.
My question is why was the shoulder blade in the middle of the gel wouldn’t you want to but the shoulder blade close to the edge. For the most accurate test
Also wouldn’t be 5 feet away from the deer
@@tyleryeager9377 ya that’s true 20 yards and shoulder blade close to the entry is the best test to do here
I would also like to see more heads that open up and I want to see them back up to about 20 to 40 yards also bring the bone forward more and put card bored on the front
Yk i wondered the same thing, kinda makes no sense but what works for them works for them
Yep agreed. Bone was way too far into the gel. Reality is that it maybe and inch or two depending on animal.
Never thought I would see the day that Seek One and KG Made put their brains together. This will be something awesome. Can’t wait to see what happens down the road!
KG and Seek One are my 2 favorite channels. Been waiting on a collab for years
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You guys are on the right track. Sounds like a fixed head that won't rust, flies straight. I'm hooked. No more flappers for me.
I agree 👍🏻 💯
I use the grim reaper mechanical broadheads and those things and no joke! They’ve went through every bone I’ve ever hit. Even with a 45 pound draw! Just bagged a doe today and went through both ribs and we about a foot and a half in the ground!
"flappers"🤣 I'm going to steal that one!!
Absolutely love my QAD exodus broadheads. Shot a doe a few weeks ago at 12 yards quartering too me. Completely blew the shoulder apart and left a great blood trail. She didn’t run far.
They are great heads. I took several big deer with them over the years. I moved over to broad heads I can resharpen myself.
I like the test...the one area I believe that is the weakness of the test...the bone itself...I understand it had to be dry to have it implemented, but a dry bone is nothing like a live bone. The shattering and breakage you saw is due to dry. A live bone is more fibrous and dense. I believe that may have different results
You’re correct, moist bone doesn’t shatter as readily, and it tends to be “grabby” on edges of blades.
The only comment I have is that a shoulder blade is not behind 8 inches of flesh in a deer. Obviously an Exodus kicks ass in almost all circumstances, but your rage might give you a different story if you were hitting the scapula 1 inch deep and then still got 8 more inches into the vitals. When you are only getting 16ish inches of penetration, you have burned through half the arrows energy before you contact the scapula. I think you also need to compare them all going first through cardboard. That will be robbing energy from the rage the others didn't suffer. There is real effort involved cutting cardboard with a razor/box cutter. Same would be true for the broad heads.
I love your videos. Keep up the good work.
I'll 2nd that. The scapula isn't that deep. They could put a scapula at each end of the block and get twice the use. Awesome testing but there's still tweaks.
Exactly
Y'all need to get some cow femurs for your broadhead test. They are usually pretty uniform in size and would definitely represent a worse case scenario. Also I think shaft drag on the arrows is so high with ballistic gel it's kinda comparing apples to oranges. Hide muscle and organs are all very elastic and really slick.
100 percent
I would like to see this as well and place the hide of a boar pig in front. See how the arrows perform hitting tough hide and then a tough bone
Great video! Awesome testing.
My tweaks - scapula not soooo deep, thick leather before the gel
Sharpness - before and after going through bone. Needs to stay sharp after breaking the bone.
I thought the same thing about the depth, but I think they're simulating hitting the back scapula, preventing a passthru. That was a problem I had with early expandables.
@@jasonmitchell43 i don't think that's what they were doing. Because if you pass through the 1st but stop on the 2nd, you've just passed through everything vital for the deer to survive. There wouldn't be the lost deer they talk about.
I think the Rage's problem is that it's trying to make such a BIG hole and the blades aren't swept back enough.
@@mikemcgill3998 I lost a deer with a well placed quartering away shot because it stuck in the back scapula. It definitely did vital damage, but the deer hit some brush and broke the arrow off. We lost blood when we found the back of the arrow.
@@jasonmitchell43 that sucks. I hate losing deer. I've shot a few over the decades that have been lost. Still twists my guts. One buck i swear aliens came down and lifted him straight up. Blood trail was awesome...... then nothing. Three of us searched and searched. After the shot, he stopped about 50yds away. Long enough for me to see at least 6 inches of arrow sticking out the bottom of his chest. Blood was very visible. I wish I knew what happened to that one. That haunts me and it was 22yrs ago.
@@mikemcgill3998 I've hit some and missed some clean over the years, but the 2 that stick with me are the one that broke off my arrow, and I had a nice 8 that was stolen. Neighboring land owner wouldn't let me track onto his property that night, He checked the deer in the next morning. Just sickening. The check station was hanging up a Polaroid of him with the deer when we went in for lunch that day.
This is by far one of the coolest and most interesting videos I’ve seen on RUclips in a while! As a chemist I appreciate everything you are doing to scientifically make a better broad head, from a hunters perspective I appreciate the physically testing for worst case scenario in the field. Already looking forward to seeing the next video of this process. Good luck, and I can’t wait to hopefully see a final product.
I will just say ditto.
Excellent thought went into developing this content. I believe an archers goal is to achieve a full pass thru every time. I decided awhile back that balance is my number one objective in my set up. Speed vs momentum, penetration vs cutting diameter. Either extreme will achieve results for the designed situation but, a well balanced arrow will let you both accurately shoot at range and achieve significant penetration. Same reason I stay away from expandables. They’re designed to accomplish one job extremely well, but they sacrifice too much in penetration to be a relative option in my opinion.
Guys great job. I am a long time hunter the rage head seems to provide one heck of a hole through a deer. If you hit the shoulder most likely you will not get a pass through the deer will bleed to death internally when you open them a 5 gal bucket of blood comes out. When you hit them just off the shoulder and get a pass through blood goes everywhere. Take your time and make the best shot possible. I know that my skill is limited to 30 yards. Good job on taking the time to show the difference between the heads. They all make a killing wound.
I’m over here just patiently waiting for the part 2 and update. I’m ready to hear and maybe see what they have came up with.
Same here
Anything yet?
Your first broadhead video sold me on Exodus. I used to use rage but I lost a buck when I hit it in the shoulder. This year I used the QAD and it performed better than any broadhead I’ve used. Thanks for the video!
Me too!
When the Seek One broadhead becomes available, we'll have @Lusk Archery Adventures do a test on it to compare to all his others.
As an engineer and hunter that was a fantastic video. I switched from mechanicals to fixed in my new setup. Shot a medium sized doe last week. Quartered on heavily inside of 20 yards. I went thru the top of the scapula, lung, everything connecting the pump station, guts, and into the rear quarter. Head broke off lodged in the femur, partially breaking the joint. I was very impressed plus the broadhead was intact, with very minor damage to the tip which could be fixed and re-used as a backup.
Was definitely hoping to see a better variety of heads than these. A rage in my opinion is far from the best mechanical head. Great way of testing heads would love to see it with more heads.
I really like to see the Tree Sharks!
Agreed .. I was a rage diehard, but after a few major quartering deflections, and an upsetting shoulder shot, I gave up on them. Since then, I've switched to Magnus Black Hornets and Grim Reaper Pro 3 blades (BOTH made in the USA too). I've never looked back.
Magnus black hornets punch shoulders, and have lifetime warranties for any reason. Rage WILL fail you. Those day six evo heads look sick tho
Magnus Stingers for this guy
Just don’t shoot bear with the serrated black hornets! I always shoot a little back on bear to get a double lung and also guarantee exit wound. The serrated black hornet somehow pulled about 8” of fat out of the exit wound and there was 0 blood 😬 Fortunately bear only went 70 yds or so. Straight blade magnus on bear for this fella from now on! Just FYI! Happy hunting bud
@@bearbuster1731 wow. I would have never thought of that...
Literally had a Rage Hypodermic split a doe's femur in half and embed itself in the pelvis a few weeks ago. I knew it was a poor shot so I let it sit for a few hours. Went back in and found the doe 200 yards in dead in her first bed. I was honestly pleasantly surprised with the results.
This September had one go through an elk blade
I like the theory on this. One question though or observation is the amount of gel in front of the shoulder blade vs the amount of meat, hide in front of the shoulder blade. There is only 1-2 inches on an animal tops and you have 4+ inches of gel. I feel that would make a penetration difference and the Rage is at a disadvantage on the test. Thank you guys great info.
Up to 3" on a deer and more on a Moose. Add a layer of deerskin or elk leather glued to the face. To simulate the dulling effect. And to demonstrate how wide blades lose more speed punching big holes in thick hide vs narrower broadheads. The flint stone arrowhead guys hunt with 3/4 or 7/8" wide arrowheads. Very narrow, right at the state legal lower limit for cutting width. They get full pass-thru shots routinely, shooting only 50-70 grain stone heads on medium weight shafts. Maybe 450-550 grains. They don't split bone but can wedge buried in a spine and be very lethal for all except square on shoulder hits.
@@Triple_J.1 3"... Must be a North Pole deer? I have not ever saw that much on any deer. But I'm a young buck yet... Also, full pass through with an inch diameter head requires a exponentially less margin of error. I guess if you use FMJ to hunt with your rifles, it makes sense and I agree with the broadhead logic.
From experience, I keep telling friends, the Rage will work great but will break your heart on a big buck you waited your whole life for. or large doe. "Just say no to expandable!" I have great results with the Cut Throat but damn expensive for bow hunting. So i only use my Cut Throat from elevated stands.
Again and again
Cut On Contact Fixed Blade.
If you are unsure of which broadhead to use just get any decent cut on contact fixed and get out in the woods. It's a no-brainer (to this guy).
No one should be surprised at these results. This is all just opinion, but personally I can't understand anyone putting a wide mechanical razor blade on the front of an arrow and going out into the woods praying you don't hit bone.
Keeping in mind that this test was performed with a fairly heavy setup! Lots of momentum and FOC with a mid 500 grain arrow at 70 pounds! And it still couldn't push the mechanical through.
Muzzy fixed blade 125’s. Used them for years… if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Necessity is the mother of all inventions… love what you guys are doing.
I used to torture test every broadhead I bought. I destroyed more heads than I really want to think about, including the Exodus. The only head I have used that has stood up to ridiculous abuse has been the Cutthroat. I split a cow femur into two pieces with a Cutthroat 150 grain and the arrow penetrated the foam target another 12-14 inches. The edge had some chatter, but it was resharpenable. The VPA heads are great, too. People used 2-blade fixed heads to cleanly kill animals for a long time before the modern broadhead craze. I like to keep things simple. Shot a bull elk with a 2-blade VPA in 2019. He ran 50 yards and piled up. Love the one piece machined broadheads over the replaceable blade type.
QAD Exodus is my go to head. I switched to them last year and have been extremely happy!
Is it just me or are they about to change the course of history of broadhead and other things towards hunting?
Getting the masterclass for Christmas less do this
It's just you.
Um, they're testing someone else's theory for themselves. The industry is in the middle of changing already and this video is the result. Dr. Ashby done the work and the Ranch Fairy spread the word... how are you going to credit these guys coming in now?
Its just you. Love Seek One but there are already incredible "cutting edge" stuff out there and this has been done to death by the Ashby Foundation.
It’s just you, the Ashby reports are insanely detailed. All this information is already out there.
your username made me laugh my ass off in combination with the comment
I just started using shwacker broadheads last year first deer I shot hit it in the shoulder and buried in the offside, I thought I wouldn't find it but it only went 20 yards and tipped over I was very impressed, blades are still straight and extremely sharp
I'm glad ya'll were honest about that Rage. In 2019 I decided to try their newest mechanical and shot the biggest buck of my life @ 10 yards using a bow with 62 lbs draw weight. Unfortunately it hit a rib and only penetrated maybe 5". It was the last time I ever tried another broadhead too. Went right back to my Muzzy fixed 3 blade which has never failed me over many years of hunting.
Hitting the shoulder bone is one thing, but poor penetration from a rib bone is unacceptable period.
You failed yourself
@@blakepetersen2509 you failed life
@Blake Peterson oh knock it off I'm tired of people clutching their pearls over stuff like this.
Would love to see a rib test.
Rage broad heads are garbage!
I quit using Rage years ago because of a perfect shot that hit the edge of a fantastic bucks shoulder blade, and ricoched off the bone with only a couple of inches of penetration. I got the buck because the blade cut the main arteries and he bleed to death, but the blade never entered the chest cavity.
Scwhacker have a nice sharp chisel tip paired with a great mechanical blade I’ve blown through 2 ribs and bottom of the shoulder on opposite side while still passing through I pull 70# at 319 FPS
i agree i shot thru one shoulder and hit the other it bent the broad head that’s it deer didn’t run 30 yards 65-70 pounds prolly 325 fps
i’m not changing until the shwacker does me wrong or i see it do bad 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah scwhackers have had my back through and through
Best discussion between fixed and mechanical! Thanks guys
Shot a huge public 8 point last night.
I’m 14 and it is my third deer so far. All three have been bucks. But the other two were a button buck and a 4 point.
My cousin also shot a 6 or an 8 point today that he chased down but kept bumping. He’s probably going to die, but it will be raining tomorrow so it may be hard to track him sadly.
Congratulations buddy! I hope you cousin finds his deer.
@@colbykinney5633 thanks
They’ll be looking today
Swhackers over rage any day for mechanical and thunder heads for fixed. Great video.
Interesting video. I’d like to see this experiment run again at a hunting range, say 20-40 yards.
I don't know if you guys watch lusk archery adventures, but the QAD exodus has tested the best for toughness, sticking into a concrete block with no obvious damage, incredible! Would have like to see the tooth of the nail, 175gr XL tested, another real tough head. As far as mechanical heads the sevr 1.5 has also tested extremely well, almost all the Rage broad heads come apart quite easily. Great video! Love the super slow mo, keep up the good work!
I can say with confidence any of the ironwill broadheads would outperform all of these. They are insane, especially if you use the solid heads. I use the vented wides on whitetails.
I must have 50 Broadheads that I have messed with. Iron Will is by far the best.
Thank you all for what you do love the channel and after getting surgery and not being able to hunt. watching you guys and the THP is awesome and helps cant wait to see what comes from this
Good on you guys for realizing the shortcomings of the expandables. Ashby, RF and their studies and info are on point. Great video!!!
are they saying mechanicals aren’t good?
@@nate.hanlon pretty much. They preach high foc and cut on contacts. I've never understood the hype around mechanicals honestly. Why would you want to introduce extra variables when you don't need to?
Nah, they used one of the weakest mechanicals for one. 2 RF pushed the heavy part so hard people are actually hurting their performance. Ashby was pushing that theory for heavy pound bows at short distances, to conform to laws.
I hit too far forward with the cutthroat a couple weeks ago. Well it worked and I blew through that shoulder and found my best bow buck. I’m a fan of the single bevels.
Have you seen the new tuffhead evolution 200 grain? Yowzers. So far its the only head that has made me want to cheat on my Magnus Stingers. 20 degree bevel is wicked.
@@drewsroo I’ll check them out for sure
I would love to see yall test the swacker 2in in this test my opinion is alot better than rage
How many times a week during deer season do you hear my rage didn't open up or it failed in some sort of way. You almost never hear anything bad on swhackers
Swhacker heads, cut the s*** real world results speak for themselves, they are that good fellas
PS love the channel
Exactly 💯 right
And they are 1 of the cheaper broadheads at 30 dollars
I will swear by swhacker. In my experience it blows through bone.
It's crazy how clean the audio becomes as soon as you step into that room! It's almost irritating how clean it is haha 😄
God I love it when the Ole RF is right! I'm shooting Victory VAPss Elite 250's with 315 gr GrizzlyStick Alaskans. 695 grains of DEVISTATION!
What’s your arrow speed shooting something so heavy??
@@paulw4924 fast enough to get the job done. This is my first season goin heavy. Killed 2 so far and the results have been incredible. Quartering to frontal shot on a doe... dropped in her tracks. 30 yard broadside from the ground on an 8 pointer...shoulder to shoulder pass through...didn't go 30 yards and fell over. I would say 260s. I haven't chronographed it yet. Just going by what I've seen speed wise with similar set ups..
I appreciate you guy, THP, ranch ferry all for putting testing this stuff. I'm not against any type of broadheaf. That said I have a mechanical in case...I don't hunt with it never used it just because I'm kinda sketchy about them and figured if I mess up there I don't want to brake a deers ribs or leg or anything and not kill it fast as possible upon shooting it.
What did the cutting edge look like on all of those heads? I have been shooting the Valkyrie Bloodeagle for the last few years with no problems.
Very good point! Need sharpness all the waaaaay through.
Reason I shoot the exodus is because of your last video and the performance it had against other big name broadheads, and this just further proves that was a good choice. I shoot the full, but maybe need to switch to swept
well 2 year old video this didn't age well wheres the head
Awesome that you guys are taking it to the next level with the bh's. Not only does it help the hunter that is using it but it is great for the animal to insure that they are not suffering and or walking around wounded after a questionable shot has occurred.thanks for the efforts and the cool look at how its engineered
I am super excited for what you guys have coming in the future. I have been following yall for years and love what yall are doing. I definitely hope you guys can come up with a head that holds up and works. I'm ready to buy them already
I cant wait to see the next video on this. Torque on grip testing, real world, real situation testing. Love it.
If you’ve never been called a “fart smeller” - have you really even lived? 😂😂
Excited for what you guys are doing. 👍🏼
You called them fart sellers wow
I have had a great experience over the last 4 seasons shooting the Rage Hypodermic broadhead. Love them!
Sevrs would be the best mechanicals on angles. Giving B3 Broadheads a try this year
Have you had success with Sevr?
@@blakepetersen2509 I have shot one deer with Sevrs 2-3 years ago and it did a great job deer went maybe 15 yards and piled up.
You are literally repeating Sevr marketing info and i bet have no real world experience on angles and Sevr performance.
@@drewsroo I literally just said one sentence I hope Sevrs marketing info has more information than that😂 I also didn’t know sevrs marketing talks about using other Broadheads. But I guess since This isn’t an outdoors RUclips account I don’t know anything I’m talking about and you clearly know more about my life experience😂
@@TheSouthernObsession ive actually shot 3 deer with Sevr before I switched to coc. Just don't make claims like "Sevr would be the best mechanical on angles" unless you've actually done it on angles. I actually had good experience with Sevr.
I think I just learned more from this video than I ever did during school. Thank y’all 🙏🏼
G5 mega meet is “huge”
Favorite commercial
Mega meats make a hell of a hole but the skin pulls and covers half or all the major cut through the tissues and doesn’t allow blood to come out as easy. I have seen it on 4 deer now and two of them are from me snd my buddy. It’s crazy
I wanna see the test on the mega meat
exodus has been underrated for a long time. its finally getting day in the limelight with tests like this. Lusk scored it super high too
I would like to see a true Ashby speck broadhead in one of these tests compared to common broadheads
Am I the only guy that would also like to see x2 or x3 of the same head fired? I feel like it will eliminate any accidental human error, if the same head out performs every time that tells me a lot more than 1 head. Again you could have had the perfect shot showing maximum penetration, then take a not as good of a shot on the next head making the performance look worse than it actually is but you won't know it with 1 shot. I really think we need to set a new standard, I know it cost more but I want to see variance eliminated. If we sight in rifles with groups of 3 I feel like that is again the same idea, how can you gauge accuracy with one shot? So even with bows we take 3, but man I'd love to see these penetration tests done with 2 or 3 shots.
I started shooting the Exodus 4 years ago and I haven't looked back since. I love them. I shoot alot of hogs and one or two deer a year
Would love to see other mechanicals like the sevr and G5’s in this test
I don't really understand why this still gets debated, the 3 blade will smash bone and make a large hole, the mechanical wont go through bone but will leave a large hole and the single and double bevel can pierce bone but lose their energy, isn't the 3 blade a clear winner?
Just out of curiosity would it matter if the bone was not as deep in the gel? Like maybe just a inch of gel then have the bone there? Just wonder if the rage would perform better. I don’t shoot rage but curious to see what would happen if the bone was not as deep
I think the rage would perform better because the blades wouldn't be already open. The bone should open the blades instead of the cardboard I think.
Love you tests. The shoulder blade is upside down. Most people hit the knuckle joint or just above.
I once used a broadhead 20years ago called dead ringer. It had 3 thick blades on a split ring. It slid up the tip in groves upon impact. Hands down the best mechanical made. Make this and I will buy it.
Test expendables where they don't travel though 10" of gel before bone. The tests are great but not that close to real anatomy of a deer. The bone is not far under the skin or through much flesh. Love the channel!!
and normally you dont shoot a deer from that close, so i think that extra gel is too slow it down to where it would be have similair velocity to a real world shot
I think it’s fair enough for subtracting the gel from the distances of a real hunt
IRON WILL.......IRON WILL.......IRON WILL.........IRON WILL........ Absolutely the best hands down!
When can we expect to see that big buck for the season in ATL?
Thank you so much for sharing this video... I just found it about 9 months later and I must say I'm impressed. I do have 1issues for you though. The dried out scapulas you used do not perform accurately to the to live ones, which are softer on the surface, much more flexible, and more spongy in construction than when they are dried out. This added flexibility adds to the issue you are researching. I believe you have shown why fixed blades end up being better when things aren't perfect. When things are perfect, any broadhead will work, but we have to plan on hitting bone, cartilage, and the vitals. I'm definitely not perfect, but I try... You guys can help a lot of hunters do even better. I wish you great success. I currently hunt with VPA single bevel 250gr broadheads.
That is a good design imo, love the tip for strength and ease of sharpening. The testing that I want to see done is the "new" smaller (not 3to1 ratio) heads on bone vs the 3:1 aspect. The thought is that the shorter head offers les drag on the hard bone impacts. Proper testing is needed.
VPA, also what I plan to shoot at cape buffalo
The VPA has just two edges/angles. No complex, blunt tanto tip. Seems easy to sharpen, strong tip.
I would love to see y’all do this test with some hybrid heads. I switched to the Rage hybrid 2.3 inch expandable last year. Killed a doe with that head at 28 yards last year. My arrow blew through both shoulders and was stuck in the ground when I recovered it. Would be interesting to see how the hybrid blades perform in this test. Great content guys keep it up!!
I apparently was wrong about the Exodus. It did not look like it would hold up and perform as well as some other designs when dealing with bone, and was still a more modest cut if you had a clean shot. I'll have to look into the flight qualities, but for the typical short range shot that is less important. Glad I took the time to watch this through.
Took a 7 point second day of season. Magnus stinger buzz cut, 55gr outsert, 31 inch draw at 62 pounds. Cut clean through a rib full pass through at 25 yards. He went down in 40 yards.
I’m 14
I’ve been out twice this year and got a nice public land PA 8 point last night and almost didn’t find him because he bled more internally and didn’t drip much
I’ve been shooting sevr since they were ulmer edge. They are awesome. I’ve shot right thru the spin on a straight down shot and have shot thru the shoulder as well with great success if love to see you guys add that blade to the line up. I shoot the 1.5 the 2” is just to much to punch thru bone or like you guys explained those sharp angles. But the sevr I feel does better in the sharp angles cause of the pivoting head design. And lastly the blades are way more stout than the rage I’ve never lost a blade on my sevr heads and I’ve seen many rage blade lose a blade or both in bone and even a rib.
What poundage are you shooting? I'm looking at swapping out my Havocs.
What Lee said is a personal opinion. I shot a doe last year with a rage hypodermic as a quartering away shot and that deer ran less than 30 yards. I broke both shoulders on impact along with taking the lungs and heart out. It’s personal preference and also if you practice a lot at that angle. Another factor is the total arrow weight which can play a huge role
Honestly I believe you may have picked one of the most questionable mechanicals out there. I know you didn't like the screw came loose on the NAP killzone but it performs as good or better than any other mech on quartering shot. The screw coming loose is a dab of loctite and fixed. Also having said all of that the rage would have still made it to vitals no problem. The scapula is far closer to the surface and actual cavity of a deer is far less restrictive than ballistics gel. You're getting to vitals and that deer is dead.
You read my mind!
Came here to see if anybody else was thinking what I was thinking. You were!
Great video. I went away from the qad about 10 years ago, shot a bull and hit some shoulder, broke off about 5-6 inches of arrow and never recovered the bull. Granted, elk are tough and sh- happens. Personally Iv had tremendous luck with the tooth of the arrow and helix single bevel. Great information on the video!
The action finally starts at 11:07
I know it may seem counterintuitive, but y'all may want to look at arrow head designs from further back in history.
Martial use arrows had to break and cut through so much moreto be terminally effective on their targets than hunting broadheads today and perhaps combining the reinforced, swelled tips of medieval broadheads with the super thin edges of the blades of today might get you the combination of bone splitting and flesh cutting that we're looking for in a best case broadhead.
Please try out any of the swhacker broad heads. I’m shooting a 560 grain arrow with the Levi morgan #269 2.5” 125 grain swhacker. It has been DEADLY this year #didntgo20
I just got those for my compound this year but haven't shot anything with them yet. But I have been shooting the 150 gr 3" from my crossbow and they have been devastating!
I shot a big MN 10-point through the shoulder this year with a QAD Exodus - full penetration and the deer traveled less than 100 yards. Except some chattering on one blade, the broadhead looks brand new.
I love shwackers and grim reapers! I’ve had some bad luck with rage and I switched to them and absolutely love them
I’m all for it. Let’s get the best Broadhead on the market
I've heard too many of those horror stories about the mechanicals. Not biting on the fancy commercials.
IMO, if the hunting arrow anyone is using won’t bust thru a deer scapula you probably don’t need to be bow hunting. A deer scapula isn’t very thick at all except for one elongated rib down near the joint.
Harvested a buck two days ago with a high shoulder scar from what looked like a mechanical from last year, I switched to the Wasp Sharpshooter and it did the job
Another great example of FOC, is with Ranch Fairy with the Hunting Public. They go wayyyyy more into good broad heads.
For the past couple years I've been shooting a 520ish grain arrow with a 100 grain insert and a 125 grain Exodus on the front. Have it coming out of a VXR at about 308fps. I've had amazing results since switching to this setup... won't be changing my arrow setup any time soon.
Any update on the new broadhead?
I busted ribs. And had mostly pass throughs with the rocket steelhead. And shot deer at hard quartering angles. Awesome little mechanical. The design was sold a couple times. And nobody is making it now. I switched to vpa three blade. Made in my town. And if your broad head was machined,vpa probably made it. Thanks for the test. Loving the channel.
Great videos guys. There’s two things I’d like to ask for future videos. One would be standing say at 15-20 yards for a realistic distance but more importantly for me and some people out there would be shooting about a 50 pound draw weight so people who are disabled or smaller statue or younger can get a good idea on what’s going to happen. I have not come across anybody on RUclips that is doing that. Again great video and I think extremely beneficial and important.
Please use grim reaper mechanical broadheads on here at angles or however you choose I promise you will be happy with how they perform.
I’m only shooting a 60lb dw 27 dl with shwackers and light arrows, this past season I shot my best bow buck to date and killed it but if luck had not been on my side it would’ve probably died and never been recovered. I center punched a rib and nicked the scapula bending one blade preventing deployment and damaging the other that deployed, what saved me was the angle of impact snuck the arrow forward of the heart slicing a hole in the top of the aorta, deer went 50yds and just stopped dead and fell backwards. After further examination I only had about 7-8” penetration. Scary stuff.
I am interested to see where this goes. I have shot the same head for years as a trad hunter and I won't be an easy sale. I do hunt with a compound on occasion and finding the right head is difficult. I have tried many with ok results. Finally, after years of disappointment I still haven't found a mechanical worth taking afield
Recently shot a medium sized doe at 45-50 yards. She was completely broadside and I was off a bit and hit her dead center of right shoulder.
Went completely through and went on to break the left shoulder as well.
I was using a Carbon Express Jackal crossbow tipped with the original #207 Shwacker 100 gr expandable.
Being that both shoulders were broken she dropped and couldn't go anywhere
New ish to hunting I got my dad back into hunting so I have had to do a lot of research In hunting so thanks you have helped a lot.
I switched to the The QAD Exodus about 8 years ago and I love them. I will now only use the exodus for as long as I bow hunt.
I am SO stoked for you guys getting into fixed blades and the science of penetration to produce a more lethal head! Its gonna be neat to see another big youtube channel explore this with the connections you guys have available in a big city like ATL
I shot a deer this past year with the QAD and it went right behind the shoulder on on and completely through the other and blew it apart on a 3 1/2 year old deer, absolutely love them
You also might consider (if you haven't already) the fact that a bone in an animal is living tissue and would be more pliable than a bone that is not in a live and animal that is dry (especially if it has been frozen), therefore more brittle. I still think your test are informative and help with what you are working to accomplish. 👍 But, I'm also a science geek but have a few too many concussions to be in the science fields. 🤷♂️
Great video, very informative. I've been running heavy fixed blades for about 20 years. Slower yes, but punches through way more.
awesome vid again guys. id like to rebut lee's hesitance on shooting deer at an angle with a mechanical. drop the rage and get you some shwackers. ive cut through 6 ribs and center punched the heart. got the pics to prove it.
If y'all decide on doing a mechanical broadhead, please consider making a fixed version as well. We can't use mechanicals up here in Idaho. 😁
i've gotten all my deer using mechanical blades and have success with all angles so far .. 10 + years i have not had any issues even when hitting a rib . i find they hit the rib and twist but they always end up deep into the deer
You should have added leather to make the test more accurate The mechanicals won't open with just the gel they need the actual hide.