Seiko Have Left The Building
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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For a long time I was a Seiko Fan Boy and my collection at one point consisted mainly of Seiko Fives, SKXs and the like but a few years back Seiko shut the door on its regular clientele...forcing us to look elsewhere for fun on a budget.
And that is what Seiko used to be, a kind of watch supermarket where you could go in and buy a budget watch or you could come out with a Grand Seiko.
Now the ground floor is empty ...and nothing but faded memories tumbleweeds remain.
Here I discuss my thoughts on Seiko, a brand I used to have a lot of respect for...
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I agreed 100%. The value for me isn't there anymore. They still have misaligned chapter rings, bezels, stamped clasps, hardlex. Their aggressive push upmarket has finally pushed me away.
In fairness there are still a few models worth looking at: Presage line, Alpinist, Arnie - just reissued, Flightmaster (although it has recently been discontinued). That said I have 3 Seiko's in my collection but I'm not looking at any of their dive watches ... Better value and specs with the same look elsewhere from Islander to AliExpress.
Yes. When I want to have a SEIKO, I buy a TANDORIO (I did several times...)
20 years ago Seiko were the main stay in my collection. Today, I own 1GS. That's my own personal choice. What I have noticed however, is that when I, or anyone else talks about Seiko QC issues & rapidly increasing prices, many Seiko owners can sometimes get unnecessarily offended & often abusive.
Cultish almost
Hi Steve and welcome to my world. People often get very defensive about things they love but it's just Human nature. I got that way when all watch reviewers pitted the SKX against the Citizen NY0040 and the SKX always one because it was iconic and it was a Seiko. I owned both and it really pissed me off because the Promaster is by far the better watch but I still loved the SKX013 I used to own ;)
Ironically very similar to Rolex and Invicta owners ... Very brand loyal and hate criticism.
They're turning into rolex owners 😂
I feel lucky to have picked up my seikos years ago
Spot on mate. Seiko used to mean quality & value for money but not anymore.
The seiko enthusiasts refuse to see the lack of quality (particularly movement regulation, crystal and bracelets) for the insane prices and are just constantly bleating on about Heritage and history which actually means very little.
The quality and specs available even on AliExpress absolutely smokes anything seiko has to offer.
Even those brands using seiko movements regulate and finish them to a far higher standard than seiko.
Plus they include sapphire crystals and way better bracelets. Even pagani would hang their heads in shame if they included the bracelets seiko use.
Cheers Sean 🙂
Good points - Ironic that the majority of Ali Express watches rely on Seiko movements 😆
It is but it pushes the point home :)
i 100% agree, not sure why I would buy a seiko these days, you can get a lot better value else where.
You nailed it. pay over $400 for a Seiko and get misaligned bezel, QC issues, hardlex crystal, and an unregulated movement. I’d rather get an AliEx watch with higher specs, sapphire, better QC, and in some cases a regulated movement, all for half the price or less. I stopped buying Seiko’s a couple years ago and I’m done with them. Great to see your kitty is healthy!
Hi Ned and thanks for popping by. Thought I'd let everyone know she was fine. Thanks for the concern my friend.
Fully agree with you John, I still have a couple Seikos in my collection but that was back when they were VFM. Nowadays some of the Chinese manufactures are knocking Seiko right out of the park and well off my watch radar. Also nice video/content John. 👍
Thanks Ricky 🙂
Well said chap, not a brand I buy anymore. Nothing deep about it, I’ve just moved on.
As I’m sure others will say, great to hear your musings to camera!
Thx 🙏
Last Seiko was a Flighty. Haven't felt the need to get another one - until the "new" 62MAS appeared. Bought one straight away.....and the bezel alignment was out. I sent it back and got a Rado Captain Cook instead.
Soo familiar a story!
The only new Seiko I bought was Seiko Monster, more than 15 years ago.
Few months ago bought the Tandorio 38mm diameter Seiko SKX013 lookalike with NH34 GMT hands.
Recently bought myself the Seiko 7002 Pepsi bezel. That watch should be made in the 90’s.
Citizen and Orient on the other hands, made into my watch collection.
I really do rate Citizen for their divers. Had many a Promaster over the years and every time I say I won't buy another....you get the picture haha!
@@johnswatchjoint Orient Kamasu has evolved and provide their unique design, look but at great value for an established watch brand.
Citizen also provide great value for money with their specifications, unique look and heritage in real world usage for their professional line.
Both are also Japanese with in-house movements. One even is in the same company umbrella to Seiko.
Yup Orient with the Kamasu and Bambino are still what Seiko used to be ... I've got two Citizens and am definitely interested in their Tsuyosa releases.
I bought the Seiko Land Tortoise SRPH15K1 - The Hulk as some call it. An absolutely cracking watch. The green dial and bezel is stunning, the size and thickness perfect and that cushion case…a sensational piece and great value for what I paid.
Thanks John for doing what you do. Totally agree with everything you said about Seiko.
I appreciate that! 🙏
I used to have a collection full of Seikos. Now I just have one.
Not particularly avoiding them. Just the way it’s turned out.
Although the MM200 does look very good 🤔
I 💯 agree with you. Steeldive has filled my watch needs now and for the foreseeable future. $53.00 for a Turtle with seiko auto movement, sapphire crystal and wonderful steel bracelet. It's on par with any of my $300-400 watches.
Spot on. While I do have a few on my wish list for a bit more so far waiting for sales I always find something $50 or less (sapphire, 316L, Seiko movement) I also want so until those run out I will stay in the very cheap end. In particular the Pagani models where they do just the logo and the design is not really one emphasizing lume, like a dress or maybe GADA type watch, represent great value on sale IMHO. The Berny titanium models on sale also seem like great value compared to anything at more than 3 times the price from Seiko.
Amen!! I've seen only a couple that have tempted me and then - as you say - I see the price tag.
I started getting in to the hobby a couple years back. Never understood the love of seiko as other brands gave you better specs for much less.
This is a sentiment you see constantly express in watch forums and constantly in watch reviews ... Frankly i am shocked that Seiko has not responded ... Maybe in the bigger picture it hasn't impacted their bottom line yet but it indicates a trend in the wrong direction for their Brand.
I would like to believe they are watching but deep down I don't really think they care.
Hi John. I love Seiko but I'm not willing to pay the asking price in Europe. I buy all my Seikos in Japan. Only JDM models, only used for half or a third of the retail price. This is what allows me to still love this brand. Micro-brands also interest me. I'm looking for original models on your channel that are good value for money, a little less tribute watches. Glad to see this pretty girl in great health. 👍
Cheers buddy. You will see more independent micros in future. I have recently sold my entire collection...and have started with two great watches. One a microbrand and one from a legend. Watch this space.
Totally correct. I fell in love with mechanical watches and accessibly priced, well-built accessible sports watches through the Seiko world and the markets of the Gulf. Everything gets more expensive over time, but they've seriously lost their way and the whole value and character proposition has been lost. Over-priced, under-spec'd lost the value. And yes I love the Landshark also!
You can still get these NOS on Creation Watches I believe?
Very accurate analysis. In a nutshell, Seiko has tried to reposition themselves as an upscale brand price-wise without a corresponding increase in value. There are still some values to be had - occasionally - but not often. I, too, find fewer Seikos coming into my watch boxes. More Orient, Citizen, and Ali Express brands are taking that role.
Thanks for your input buddy 🙂
Great video John I’ve bought around 6 watches in last 4 months 1 was a seiko that came up by chance on Ebay the rest have been random stuff from Ali and one from Tkmaxx of all places! You carry on doing your stuff if people want to unsubscribe then they will miss out on the new content coming up 👍
No worries Anthony. The unsubscribe thing was incidental as this was in the pipeline anyway...it helped me bring it to fruition though 😆
Talking about disappointment I’ve been looking at a Citizen Tsuyosa for weeks, I made the decision to go and get one last weekend, the teal dial (well lighting blue) first thing the shop assistant said was you need to try the bracelet on, well I was deflated gutted, so I got myself a Zelos Sword fish teal dial love it.
I love your channel and content! Keep up the good work! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thank you. Comments like that are always welcome ..any more? 🤗🐱
My thoughts exactly. First time I saw a €50 Pagani Design with a decent bracelet and sapphire crystal Seiko was dead in the water for me. The idea that I'd have to pay at least €600 for Seiko letting me enjoy those 'luxuries' seems ridiculous to me. It's just not worth the money they are asking for their watches. And it sure seems the majority of watch enthusiasts are thinking the same. The route they've taken can't be doing their business any good.
You nailed it John. I love my seiko 5s, great way to get into this hobby but it's just not worth anymore. It seems there are no well established brands that make affordable automatic watches like seiko used to do back in the days. Even citizen disappoints.
I agree with you 100% John. It's a shame because i started my love of watches with Seiko, but the value and quality are not there anymore, especially in that price sector. i would advise anyone to consider San martin as the brand to purchase, take care, mate 👍 .
Cheers David ;)
I absolutely agree with you mate. There is an argument Seiko watches have been underpriced for a long time. But apart from the poor specs of many of this watches: when they charge higher asking prices, their QC must live up to that which isn't the case.
Cheers John. Totally agree. Ali has some stunning deals. You can even mod your own seiko for the price they used to be using oem parts from Ali.
Agree with you completely John. I have the Presage Cocktail Time Mojito, which I will keep because of the beautiful dial, and the SNK809 which still puts a smile on my face every time I wear it. These will probably be the last Seiko watches I will ever buy. Shame because Seiko used to be an aspirational brand, but not any more.
It is a little sad.
Hi John, my only new Seiko is a JDM SBTM. Loved the design, has 100m w.r., saphire with super clear coating, solid bracelet and endlinks, perpetual calendar and radio controlled. It syncs. every night and is a true grab and go. I did have to pay v.a.t.and small duties, but as an exception I was ok with it. But you see the recent field/GMT with hardlex for ca. 500€ or a willard re-issue for 1200, come on Seiko! Regards
Glad you got something you wanted but we do agree they are taking the Mick with prices :)
Well said John, 100%agree
Cheers buddy
I have the SGG731P1, i just bought it for 30 percent discount! Very nice watch, the colours from the date wheel blue/red complets the watch! Also with gold indices
Very nice!
I’ve been on the lookout for a certain Seiko 5, would have been happy to give £100, but it’s often at £149 ish, not worth it. Just picked up an Addiesdive 36mm, AD2023? ,with PT5000, £112 on Amazon. Well impressed so far.
Nice 🙂
You inspired me to get a Watch I liked, not what other say is cool. My first automatic, a Spinnaker Fleuss Oxblood. Beautiful and comfortable.
Then I went and got a used Parnis pa6007.
Then i got a Citizen chronograph Quartz as a bd gift.
All of a sudden I spend downtime watching watch reviews…
😅
Haha...sorry Daniel....there are therapy classes...:)
John, I totally agree with you. Nothing wrong with Seiko, but other brands and vendors do offer better deals for the money when talking budget watches, and modern Seiko is less appealing to the budget conscious like us (the subs from your channel).
Best regards and happy to see that Molly is in good health.
Thanks buddy. She's back to being her mischievous self 😔
I like finding new old stock Seikos (but just a year or two old) and snagging them at quite a discount. I've done this a few times and it brings the price down to where we all THINK Seiko should still be! (Oh, and beautiful cat, by the way!)
Hi buddy. That is the way to do it 🤗😺
Totally agree alot of new seikos dont catch my eye at all unlike alot of Ali Express watches available at the mo however do love a vintage seiko except the price! Keep doing what you do I wont be un subscribing 👍🏻
Cheers Wesley 🤗
Great job…and yes, the world has grown mad.
Really enjoyed this video, John. I agree with you 100%. In my case, I love Seiko, but have been disheartened by the QC issues, lower specifications, and continued increasing prices. I have around 25 Seikos in my collection, but in the past couple of years, I've distanced myself from the brand, and have found myself buying more and more watches from brands like San Martin, Cronos, and Watchdives all of which offer outstanding quality, excellent specifications, and far better value for money. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts. Love this type of video, like to see more 🙂👍
Hi Rafael. So glad you enjoyed it. Nerve-wracking for me in that format though. Not very comfortable doing it but you know what they say..... but I agree with you on your points. If you'd sent me that beforehand I could have used it to make a 30 second video haha. Be well buddy !
@johnswatchjoint You do a fantastic job, buddy. Next, a live show 👏👏👏 Be well.
Yikes ..need a nappy for that 🫣
@johnswatchjoint You can do it buddy 👏👍🙌
HI ! I think the same !!!!!! And believe you or not , i have exactly the same Seiko 5 . And i like better this Seiko branding than the new . So really really 100% agree !
I strongly agree. Only Seiko's of value for me are the 62mas and King Samurai. But these are and a much higher price. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Thx Barry 🙂
SNXS79 and a cat. What a great combo!
Haha. She is my companion and I am glad she is ok now. She's had a rough couple of months. :)
My most recent Seiko purchase was a gold filled Lord Marvel made in 1965, truly a thing of beauty. I also picked up a modded Seiko 5 38mm with sapphire and a strapcode bracelet on ebay, the watch that Seiko should have made in the first place.
Very nice . I have a mint Seiko Lord Matic from 1970 :)
They seem to think the brand name alone is worth an additional 125 usd - I can’t go along with that
And the rest! £400 now, vs sundry Aliexpress brands around £100 with sapphire and ceramic
In fairness with the rise of AliExpress I think they are trying to reposition themselves in the market - fair enough I say ... However I would hope that they increase their specs and QC to compensate for their price increases. The cost to do so is minimal compared to the price increase. Until they do so there will be few of any Seikos that will interest me (there are a few older models).
Just subscribed after watching your Clemence Munro review. Good work, keep them coming. In search for a GADA and the Clemence might be it when they’re back in stock. Any other suggestions welcome. thanks Mate.
Awesome, thank you! 😄
That's wild that people are emailing to complain about the lack of Seiko and unsubscribing, it's a crazy world mate ... I still like some of the new Seikos, and the finishing on my SPB381 has elevated it to my favourite Seiko, with a decent discount it's a good offer but the RRP is extremely optimistic and that's not helping them. Seeing as good discounts are quite easy to get through most Seiko ADs they even seem to know themselves the prices are quite inflated...
Hi buddy. It is a shame that people are closed off these days. It seems you can't have an opinion without someone saying your opinion is bogus as they don't agree :/ Seiko pricing is rather difficult to justify though. Thanks for popping in 🤗
Many many moons ago I bought a Citizen eco-drive that was pretty pricey for me back then but I figured it might be the last watch I bought because I really liked it. After sending to be fixed three times at £80 a pop I sold it on eBay and decided expensive watches were not worth it. I'm a cheap value for money watch guy now.
Aye...we all have our horror stories. :/
I understand totally John. I am a Seiko fan myself, have a few oldies, also got a gift of a newer Seiko 5 "dive style" blue SRPD51K which I do like and a Seiko Alpinist pre Prospex era. I had a new orange dial Seiko GMT which I didn't keep, as my brother wanted it, and I didn't mind giving it to him for his birthday ! However I have no inclination to buy another one. I'm keeping an eye out for a Cadisen equivalent. They have the orange dial Seiko look alike in the standard watch, but I'm hoping they make a GMT. Why?, well it will probably have 200m water resistance and a screw down crown, it will definitely have sapphire, not hardlex, will have the same movement, and will be considerably less than half the price of the Seiko. There is already a Steeldive version but Cadisen have better dials and I'm sure they'll make an equivalent GMT soon enough. So, I don't mind not seeing any Seiko watches John !
Cheers Brian , thanks for your insight
I've got a couple of dozen watches with NH movements and most run at 0 - +10 secs/day. I've got three Seikos which all run at -20 secs/day.
Totally agree with you, have sold all my Seikos, left one Orient Kamasu which when bought on sale is still good. If the value is not there anymore, I'd rather go Swiss - Longines, Oris, Rolex, etc. where the value is in their more "luxurious" name, not in the build or function.
However, thanks a lot to Seiko and Citizen for allowing some excellent movements (which they spent a lot of money in R & D) to be sold to other watchmakers, like those in AE. Seiko and Citizen are not worried about these watchmakers, they do still have a very respectable name.
Thanks for sharing 😊
Exactly my thoughts and feelings about Seiko, compared to Aliexpress (Chinese) watches.
I still like seiko. Agree they are over priced now but when there is a decent sale I think its okay value and I just like a lot of their designs and what they do and the history. Not sure why someone would unsubscribe from your channel for that reason though is a bit silly. I still reckon you make good content regardless of whether there a seikos in it or not.
Haha...it is very daft. This was something that was brewing anyway because when I first thought about putting a channel together I always envisaged Seiko being a part of it. What a difference a few years make !
I still have 5 or 6 Seiko's in my collection! 😂 In my defense, I've have a few of them for years. I still like them, but I don't have anything on the lower end, so maybe that makes a difference.
I still have my Seiko Lord Matic from 1970. It's a stunning watch bought for me as a gift and I may keep the SNXS as a nod back to the good old days. I still love a Seiko 5 but Seiko themselves have wrenched away the fun factor from budget collectors. I hope you are well Dan :)
I still ❤ my Seiko 5’s . All are JDM versions bought before 2020 .
My Shake and Take choices ....
Darn Day and Date function keeps
me Fiddling-Away precious time though 😂
The only Hacking available is my Cat’s Hairballs . 🙀
Haha. I know the feeling! 😄
What’s wrong with people. I’ve been waiting for you to review a couple of Vacheron watches. Oh well. I’ll keep watching, cause you’re a great reviewer anyway. Love the show & we’ll catch up on the next one.
Haha ...you can always send one in if you've got one!!?! 🙂
John - very much agree here. They are no longer the value proposition that they once were and their pricing today is too high for the specs and quality. But there is still value to be found with vintage Seikos - I picked up a QT from 1973 for £100 - 50 years old in great condition and keeping time within around 15 seconds per year. Not a biggie for me but rather than featuring new Seikos why not cover some of your favourite old Seikos? Though on a cautionary note there … the value has vanished from many of those too e.g. SKX and SARB. V best
Cheers buddy. I still have my 1970 Lord Matic fully serviced. A great watch. It's a shame the way Seiko have repositioned themselves so quickly.
I was really trying to get a nice Seiko for a while. But instead I've bought a 1972 Seiko, Helm and Proxima. The Proxima in particular is very interesting, I paid less than what some entry Seikos cost and got a far superior watch.
Nice 👍
I dunno mate .. some folk just can't handle the truth & u just spoke it . Yes there's some truly iconic & classic designs + some of the best dials in the business but value ain't their thing nowadays and i certainly wouldn't pay upwards of £600+ for a 4r/6r35 . You keep doing what you're doing John i'm sure there's enough Seiko content out there for those who really want it .
Haha. No worries Ted. Not bothered about the unsubscribe more the fact we have a channel geared for budget friendly content and he unsubscribes because Seiko ain't producing it 😆
Agreed with every word ,can you give the link of yours Seiko 5 nato strap ?
Sorry for antispam and porn reasons I cannot post links but you will find 19mm NATO straps on eBay no problem :)
@@johnswatchjoint thanks for your comment ,19mm nato strap is not so popular size ,which colour is your strap ?
Hi there. Don't believe those who tell you you cannot get 19mm straps. They are easily and readily available. This one is blue and khaki :)
@@johnswatchjoint thanks again ,I will search the net
I have 5 Seikos (Seiki, Seikoes?) which is 5% 0f my collection, All more unusual models ,but I full heartedly agree with you the mainstream models are just not good value anymore when put up against a San Martin etc.
That would be a cool collection to see ☺️
I agree. But... I did buy a JDM open heart Seiko recently on a holiday in Japan for about $280AUD. It looks like a Pressage with a blue sunburst dial for a lot less money. Orient has some better offerings!
That's a good looking cat.
Molly is a Maine Coon and is my buddy at work. Been poorly lately but finally back to full health 😺🤗
Seiko was THE gateway watch for a lot of people, and they've become branded to the company. Unfortunately when buyers are ready to step up they're now left with little to look forward to. On top of that they're asked to pay more for the same entry level spec. I've seen this too many tijes in other fields, a company focused so hard trading on their past glory they miss the rest ofcthe market upping the game aroung them. At this point I'd take a San Martin or Baltany over a seiko any day of the week, and if Miyota and Ronda continue to improve their movements we could see a lot of Chinese brands dropping their dependency on Seiko innards.
It would be interesting thought , to us newbies , to see a Seiko “ affordable “ watch versus a similar AE model in terms of spec , build quality and price .
It would be interesting to find an affordable Seiko watch to compare them to haha. I won't buy the new SNXS at £350 just to compare as I wouldn't be able to sell it. Comparing the old SNXS would be a waste of time as everyone knows it's Hardlex, an old movement and a questionable case. The newer watches from AliExpress just walk all over it and there are many videos showing just how poor Seiko are now in comparison at this price range :)
@@johnswatchjoint I guess I could say thank you job done then with your reply . Thanks .
Seiko--doubled prices in less than ten years. Meanwhile, the Yen has lost 60% of its value against the US Dollar. That means when Seiko converts dollars into yen at the end of each fiscal year, their earnings have exploded. I would also add in that labor costs in Japan have been stagnant for some 20-plus years. In short: Seiko pricing is taking the piss. Finally: I recently saw Casio is selling the same g-shock I bought from 12 years ago, for exactly the same price. You want a Japanese icon without the Seiko snobbery? Casio g-shock is it.
I noticed that and have bought a couple recently to see what is the best fit for me. Both at better than reasonable prices too. Good shout!
I miss the SARX line…
I've often thought about this topic - chicken or egg right? Did Seiko see the Chinese homage market coming and know they couldn't compete, and therefore moved up a price band (or 3)? Or did the Seiko move up in price leave a vacuum for others to fill? All that said, I'm wearing a 90's Seiko Giugiaro H021-803A which is bloody fantastic
Nice one.
I agree completely... Seiko go to far with their prices on basic models last couple years. I do not mind giving 600 or 700€ for Alpinist model with sapphire glass ,metallic bracelet and good finishes on cases.... But I do not give more than 200€ on basic models with poure finishing and water resistance!, I rather buy San Martin watches for that kinde of money... I also do not have problems wearing Aliexpres watches and enjoying them same as my other watches like Rolex or Seiko....
...and that is admirable. A collection should have pieces that mean something to you no matter what the cost:)
don't forget about the standard misaligned bezels
Haha.. even San Martin have been mimicking that recently !
They've definitely lost their 'value for money' and you've hit the nail on the head, it's opened the door for Ali express. But seen as 90% of those watches are powered by seiko movements, it won't have hurt the bottom line, why make problematic watches when you can churn out movement's. I love seikos, great dials but why no sapphire. Still love seiko though, last one I got was the SRPK17 55th anniversary, and to me good value as it's a stand alone case design. Keep up what your doing John, I like seiko and I also like great value Ali express watches.
Cheers Robert 😀
Orient watches provide value for money. Reasonably priced automatics with sapphire crystals. They seem to be now what Seiko was in the past.
Unfortunately they are going the same way here in the UK anyway. £430 for a Mako 3 is nuts. A Kamasu can be bought for less than half that 🤗
Couldn't agree more. I'd humour them for their price-rises, if their non-JDM QC had improved. But it hasn't. The number of apologists for shoddy build quality on YT is astounding. I wonder if Seiko hate their international buyers somehow. Certainly give that impression. Luckily, eBay is my friend and some gems from the 70s, 80s and 90s can be found for a pittance. Only choice now the Singapore greys-market sellers have given up. Plus China of course, for now, although for how much longer they'll remain the value proposition is anyone's guess.
It is sad.
The last Seiko I bought was a SARB035 in 2018. Those were the days when it only cost 350$. Don’t know what happened since.
I would say it's baffling but we've seen the way the whole world has changed 😔
Looking at buying a SARB now and I see AliExpress do the models at a fraction of the cost, probably with NH35 movement
@@TheProco2020 Which model, the alpinist?
@@SOCerberus94no black dial. Not a fan of the Alpinist. I don’t like the hands.
Fully agree with you. Many microbrands make better pieces for the money using seiko movements anyway.…
They make a load of money selling movements to all MB 👍🏻, that’s all..
Hear hear! well said John, my thoughts exactly, is anyone listening at Seiko tho ?..No coz they don't give a shit.
Yup, this is why there are more reviews about alliexpress watches nowadays, Seiko cannot compete in the same price range.
I must agree
With having some Molly shots here and there, I can forgive the lack of Seiko. ❤️
Haha 😆
You said the Seiko movement was deprecated. I heard defecated. 😂
People unsubscribing because of lack of Seikos? People are strange, like Jim Morrison used to say
Yup haha!
Ben’s watch clubs alt channel in the loop looked at the new snxs. He was unimpressed.
Yeah. Saw it and can't believe what they are asking for that watch :/
Only JDM models still offer the quality for the money. I have a JDM Seytona that's amazing.
Unfortunately any value is knocked out by shipping and tax costs in the UK
@@johnswatchjoint ah of course. Found mine in near mint condition already in Europe for nearly 400 so that's the value I'm reffering to
There are a couple of Seiko's i like but similar to you i just don't think they represent value for money any more.
Yep. They out there price wise now!
John I am remaining subscribed because you don't talk about Seiko!! The value isn't there for me either. Watches at several hundred dollars with Hardlex...
Thanks buddy. I appreciate the support 🙂
I've purchased lots of Seiko watches in the past and bought a Seiko around 3 or 4 years ago, which cost me around £600. I had nothing but trouble with it, and it was the worst watch I've ever purchased; hence, I've never purchased one since. I think the quality is poor at times, and they're just a big company that doesn't really care about their customers. Sorry, Seiko, but that's my opinion.
Thanks for sharing buddy 😊
The problem with Seiko lately is that they think they are Rolex😂. Rolex’s heritage is strong enough to apparently charge whatever they want. I guess Seiko wants to be like them😂
Bottom line every time!
People will take offence at what you do, what you don't do, even what they think you think..... I love the Seiko turtle case design, but I wasn't willing to pay £390 for hardlex, aluminium bezel and dial and hands I don't like, when £144 bought me a Heimdallr with sapphire, ceramic, Willard style hands and dial and with a Seiko movement too!
You nailed it Duncan. You can't live on heritage and past glories forever ;)
I would not buy a Seiko these days as there are more than enough aliexpress offerings with Seiko movements, better crystals and vastly superior bracelets at a fraction of the price.
It is estimated the Chinese Watch market this year will hit 19 billion dollars this year If you're discriminating youll get a better value with better quality.
I think both categories are wrong. One is overpriced and the other is underpriced. The Chinese want mass production at a low price, premium brands want a lot of money with the name.
I love seiko always have and always will only for what they bought to the world of horology, not what they are bringing now. Overpriced, low spec and badly qc'd. I refuse to buy a seiko now because far more is offered for far less by other brands.
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While i own bother i will say i choose my citizens every time. I think seiko has lucked out and turned i lnto RUclipss Rolex in a way. More of a name than a longterm watch. Not saying seikos don’t last. Just saying it seems that seiko has turned into Rolex in terms of brand vs a watch that stays on Your wrist 24/7. People watching youtube vids everyday seem to think you must own 31 watches and wear them once a day instead of the real intention of a good watch. And that is only having one watch and wearing it 24-7. Citizen is hugely underrated as a brand and it Shouldn’t be. They have a lot of firsts in the world of wrist watches and should be loved as much if not more than seiko.
Thanks for your thoughts 🤔
Maybe Seiko should focus on designs and movements and leave the manufacturing to someone else.
Their QC and value is bad and getting worse.
Yep. I tried a Willard a couple of years back in a well known UK Watch Store and was told that the bezel misalignment was part of the brand when I queried it. I swore , smiled and promptly left.
Did think of unsubscribing cos there nae 85% cat in the videos
Haha. She has been pretty unwell over the last couple of months. We now know what's going on and she is finally back to her devious little self. :)
But John, lad. There's the one elephant in the room that you're failing to address. Indicated water resistance. If a Seiko watch indicates 200m, then it has been tested at that depth. An AliExpress watch that indicates 200m is what? Just some printing on a dial? You always say "claimed water resistance". When I wear a Seiko in the water I'm confident. When I wear an AliExpress watch in the water can I be anything more than hopeful?
Now now. We aren't taking about that here. We are talking price and value for money. I paddle board when I get the chance and have worn Addiesdive , San Martin and especially Seestern watches in the water for hours. I have every confidence in them. I am talking about the Seiko 5 line, a lot of which as you know only had 30m of water resistance for the most part. I am generalising here but the only brands I would not take in the water are Tandorio and Pagani Design. I say claimed water resistance as that is what it is. I cannot say 200m water resistance because I have no way to quantify that...but I know for the things most of us do do like pool diving or snorkelling or paddle boarding these watches are excellent
I agree with this comment. I've gone in the opposite direction--from Seiko to more reasonable Swiss brands such as Longines and Oris. Personally, I wouldn't wear an Ali watch even if it was for free.
Each to their own :)
@@johnswatchjoint well John, actually a part of the value is whether or not the watch lives up to its specifications, so yes, water resistance is a part of the value consideration. Your answer is much appreciated because I spend a lot of time in the water. Therefore I'll focus on SM, Addies, and Seestern. Thanks John 👍!!! Cheers
@@stevens1041 very interesting, because I'm also looking at these 2 lines. Great value
they suck
Whatever
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They should concentrate on making movements and leave watchmaking to the adults