Something to mention on bypass valve, WIX is the ONLY oil filter to my knowledge that specifies the bypass valve pressure, and its identical to what subaru requests.
The Mazda RX-8 oil filters are black Mazda-branded Tokyo Roki units not too different from the Subaru 15208AA160. It supposedly has the same bypass valve spec.
I’ve been a mechanic for 47 years. I did this same thing years ago trying to find the best filter for my customers. I was very shocked at how terrible Fran filters are. They are such a well known filter that is absolutely JUNK as you’ve proved. I can’t stress this enough to people how critical this is. Keep up the great videos and I hope a lot of people will listen to the truth you speak. Thanks
I absolutely agree. However, the Fram Ultra is one of the best filters on that market that is readily available on the shelf. I would venture to say they are as good or better than the Tokyo Roki filters.
@@cpftank09 I run the fram titanium and run the Tokyo Roki filters on my frs. You won’t see any cardboard end caps on the Fram Ultra or titanium. The orange can Fram filters are what they are a cheap bargain filter meant to be changed at 3000 miles. It will get you by but it isn’t anything special. Run the Tokyo Roki, wix, Mobil one, Bosch or Fram Titanium. It’s a roll of the dice running a cheap filter it could be okay or it could prematurely ruin your engine.
@@brianeighties4481 exactly. I’ve seen the cut away of the titanium and it’s impressive, looks like the “old” Ultra. But the Ultra is almost half the price and I doubt Fram made it worse when they revised it recently.
@@erickamekonapeper4007 I haven’t seen any filtration tests to indicate that the Tokyo Roku is any good. Yet there independent filtration tests on the Fram Ultra and it has some of the best filtration and flow rates out there. Wiz is good too, but not available everywhere.
The "emergency" filter is nice. I hope they keep that one. I'm using the lower profile wider filter for the STI on my 23 Outback. At least that's what my dealer put on when I asked them for the Japanese filter equivalent.
The USA made Subaru filter is also the same as the typical 15400-PLM-A02 Honda oil filter and we don’t seem to have an issue with getting them yet. However if you have want a Japanese made Honda oil filter that’ll work on your Subaru, Mahle makes the Honda 15400-RTA-003 oil filter. Nissan also makes Japanese made oil filters that’ll also work with your Subaru. You’ll notice no difference using any of these!
I went down this rabbit hole years ago trying to find a good quality filter. Oddly after HOURS of comparing datasheets and reading all witch way of forum posts I also discovered the Mazda filter as a direct fit replacement. Now granted all mine are EJ engines but as I recall the specs match close enough that it works out alright. My local Mazda dealer needless to say was incredibly surprised when I told them these are also Subaru filters in the JDM.
@@dwendt44 that's not a problem for the EJ-series engine since the filter is mounted on the bottom. It would not be recommended to grab a Mazda filter on newer FA-series of engine.
I’d advise against this, the bypass valve and it’s spring will probably be a much different pressure and spec required to activate them compared to the one for your vehicle.
I own a shop that rarely works on anything other than European cars, but I do deal with filter failures a lot. What I can say is you guys are looking at quality criteria that may not really matter. One of my favorite brands , and an OE brand for BMW and Benz uses foam end caps ! I'm not sure the end caps made by fram would be a problem. I guess to test it, you could throw it in boiling water for a few hours and see what comes out? Most of the cars I deal with use insert type filters, and failure is readily seen during service. A very common failure is of filter media collapse due to improper filter media manufacture. The media, is (I believe) cellulose base soaked with resin(?) and after a while operating in the engine, absorbs some moisture. The cell fibers swell and stop flowing oil. Long service intervals made possible by synthetic oil and winter operation aggravate the problem. I've seen this fault on filters that come in from a cars serviced with "STP"( had "made in USA on it), NAPA Gold, Service champ(?), and unbranded "made in China" filters. I have saved examples to prove it. I have had customers towed in with sized engines from this. 5 in the last ten years, but more than a dozen filters in that time from a wide range of cars. This includes a Napa gold that I bought last year for a Volvo V70 , and the next time the car was in for service, the oil filter was obviously affected. Instead of having straight sides, the filter looks like an hourglass shape that I typically see from this type of failure. To the credit of the Napa store I bought it from, the owner took pictures and got on the phone right then and made the right people aware of it. Now I stick with Mann, Mahle, Hengst, or Kencht (Purolator, now made by Mahle) . No doubt there are other good brands. Just not for me.
In my country (Chile), is easy to buy the black one filter. Last week I did the 275,000 km oil change with the black filter that I have always used, but the blue filters began to appear since few years ago. Since I saw your first filter analysis and comparison video, the blue ones have rejected me.
That new filter is the same as any "budget" filter from all the big brands. They all come from the same factory from what I recall. Metal end caps with ribbed plastic core and same basic filtration media. Great filters when picked up at Walmart for $3.50 in their ST oil filter line.
Dunno if it's just the camera angle... but the cardboard end caps on the original USA filter look so close to the sides of the can id say thats your biggest flow restriction right there. The oil coming in has to squeeze through, what appears to be less then a 32nd of an inch gap to reach the filter media on the sides. The bypass oil (should the bypass open due to restricted filter or cold weather) has to be forced past both the top and bottom end plates though that tiny gap.
The made in USA interim filter looks better! Not surprised Subaru actually had to go more expensive when their cheap supply ran dry. I wouldn't worry about the plastic cage unless you try to pull a crazy change interval and run in the cold. Wrong bypass pressure also not shocking and will save the plastic support. Interesting Subaru is willing to use lower bypass after all the aneurisms on the internet over the years. Still makes me wary of the interim filter. Strangely, most sources say AC Delco filters are made by Champion Labs, AKA Fram. There is also a lawsuit for false made in USA claims. Who knows currently. Tokyo Roki obviously still supreme. How many Tokyo Roki filters do you have in stock, anyways? Hahaha.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Wix is definitely better than Champ Labs. They are part of the Mann+Hummel family now, but had multiple factories and still do. The design is superior. The website says 11 facilities in 8 countries.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Champion Labs makes ACDelco and Supertech filters, and these interim Subaru filters appear the same. Fram used to be made by Honeywell, as is USA made Honda and Subaru filters, but Fram is now part of Champion Labs. Fram and Champ Labs appear to still have separate filter lines though. Wix is now owned by Mann+Hummel, but I think most Wix filters are still a separate line of filters than Mann filters.
It's been a while since I've gone deep into oil filter sources, but I remember Champion Labs being the manufacturer of a huge amount of filter brands a few years ago, including some of the best and worst on the market.
The filtering media might be different. The OEM Subaru filter made by Fram uses totally different media than what Fram puts in their Extra and Tough guard series. You will never find a torn Subaru filter made by Fram.
Wow, the replacement filter is better, interesting. The new filter is made by champion labs, they hold the license for the plastic core design, and yes they make filters for ACdelco. That design is know as the ECore.
The interim filter is definitely an "e-core" design made by Champion Labs. They make filters for AC Delco and a number of private labels including including SuperTech (Walmart). While I prefer WIX and Purolator One, I have no qualms grabbing a SuperTech filter in a pinch. They're cheap, yet still far better made than Fram.
@@C5Z06CarGuy Fram purchased Champ a number of years ago. But filters sold under the Fram label are still the same awful design with the cardboard end caps, while the Champ made ones retain the e-core style. You would think Fram would incorporate some of Champ's technology into their product, as Champ has obviously figured out how to create a quality product at a bargain price point. Yet they don't. I can only surmise that Fram's crappy design is even cheaper to produce than the e-core, while millions still buy their products anyway because its a "brand name". Why screw with a profitable formula like that?
I think the “new” unmarked filters are Supertech 20k mile filter. The inner cage and many other similarities appear to be the same as it. I don’t know who manufactures it, but they are pretty good filters. ruclips.net/video/E-vOB3b9eMk/видео.html
@@mudpuddle2658 yup, the 7317 ST (what my Ascent uses) looks identical to whip cities cut away. I have been using Fram Ultra XG7317. I don’t think the bypass spring tension is as big of deal as people make it out to be.
The "emergency" filters appear to be made by Champion Labs, which is ACDelco's supplier. The color also looks similar to ACDelco blue, and the stamping on top also matches ACDelco filters as well, so likely they are buying from Champ Labs and are being sent Delco filters without the GM label.
Although I don't own any import vehicles.... I do keep track of Oil Filter designs and quality........ Baldwin/Hastings and Wix are usually to top-tier that can be easily sourced in my area.
The pressure release valve being stiffer in the made in Japan Subaru oil filter has a function. It keeps one side of the Subaru boxer engine from starving for oil while in high speed cornering and tight cornering situations.
Careful. The higher bypass pressure means it may not be opening during cold starts. I say may because I don't know how much higher the pressure rating is on the filter you are using. Are you monitoring oil pressure at start?
I just did my oil change today on my 22 outback. Went to Napa and they didn't have the 7055 gold filter. Went down the road to the subaru dealer and the new filter with crush washer was cheaper than the napa filter 😮
Why not just use the Purolator Boss PBL14461 filter? I have cut one open and looks to be just as good if not better than the made in Japan filter and its easy to find and cheaper, and its made in the USA.
Just got my oil and filter changed at my local Subaru dealer and noticed that they used the new version. I was a bit concerned that it might be a cheap knock off, but after watching your video I would say it's as good or better than the old style.
Your Japanese own filter looks very much to me like HifloFiltro filters, the crimp Bering larger than the can, the plastic wrap, the round o-ring. I do not know if they sell filters for cars here but there filters for offroad are impressive quality to me and somewhat cheap yet identical to Suzuki OEMs for my motorcycle...
AC Delco does not make filters. The AC Delco filters used on the assembly line where made by Delphi for General Motors assembly back when I worked for General Motors. The AC Delco filters you can by at the Delearship and Walmart etc....are made by Champion Labs most of the time. The Plastic E-Core interior core support is a dead give away that this is a Champion Labs Filter. In the past Champion Labs made K&N, Mobil-1, Bosch, STP and many other's. They will build what ever you ask for you can order of a menu with regard to design elements you want that they routinely do. So bypass, can thickness, filter media type and amount, bypass type etc....
I'd love to see your opinion on WIX filters, especially given the OEM blues are out of stock. A lot of aftermarket oil filters have lower bypass pressures (assuming to fit different engines/manufacturers) and the old EJs (and likely FA/FB) require higher to the tune of about 23PSI. WIX was the only filter I could find for the EJ that was the exact same bypass as OEM and has metal endcaps.
Wix has poor filtering efficiency. Their rated efficiency is with 40 micron particles, as the particles get smaller, wix really has poor efficiency. I actually use Fram (gasp!) ultra synthetic filters. Fram ultra synthetic filters have good construction, and the best filtering efficiency available.
One of his older videos on oil filters he cut open wix and compared it to all other brands witch he cut open also , look into his past videos you should find it , i switched to wix xp from K&N after watching his video , puralator are also good
In regards to the blue replacement filters vs the original blue filters. The replacement filter element appears smaller, but the filtering element is better spaced . Is it possible these filters have the same square inches of filtering material even though the filter cartridge looks different?
4:57 Yikes. Yeah when my son gets his new WRX in spring, I think we won't be using Subaru branded filters, if THAT's what they are. :( I've always liked Wix. I just checked a few videos with a Wix oil filter cut open compared to other 'leading' brands and that seems to confirm Wix is doing a lot right. I think that'll be my choice.
Purolator boss is made by wixs it is the same as the XP line. And if you have a Menards near you they saw them there and they are a lot cheaper than the parts stores
Oil filter, filters oil, nothing more, nothing less. as long as you follow your recommended millages to change filters it doesn't matter who makes it or what its made of....
Subaru specs much higher bypass valve pressure than other makes, at least for the EJ. I don't know why, but that may explain some of the difference. Many filter companies spec the same filter for EJ and Mazda BP (Miata) applications, because the cans are the same size, while others such as Wix make a Subaru specific part number with the higher bypass pressure.
The bypass valve pressure is irrelevant if the delta P across the media is less than the valve pressure. Basically the bypass valve should never (seldom) open. Subarus engines have very high oil flow at high RPM which creates higher delta P. The Honda S2000 filter has the same bypass valve pressure setting because of the oil flow. If you use a bigger filter than the OEM filter than the bypass pressure is not a significant parameter since the larger media creates less resistance.
I feel for the Subaru owners, Honda had filters made by a company called Filtech now they’re using fram!!🤬 Guess I’ll be switching to mobile1 filters now!!
Have you ever opened and made a determination about 6 Star oil filters. A Subaru shop online claims they are the best filter for Subarus. I bought a couple and they seem decent. Any thoughts?
If people are looking to buy the OEM Black Tokyo-Roki filters, I recommend US based resellers Import Image Racing (IIR) and Subiemods. IIR is where I get the Oil Change Kit for my 2022 WRX and I've no complaints on price and OEM parts included, minus the oil being Motul 0W-20 instead of Subaru-Idemitsu oil
I just don't get it. Why the hell don't they just get them from Tokyo Roki.......Mazda and Toyota do, so the cost thing is not gonna cut it as an explanation for me. Getting so tired of these shit filters
The replacement filters are Champion Labs. Just like AC Delco as you mentioned. These are really not much better then the Fram made filter. Possibly worse filter media. It’s a travesty that Subaru and Honda use these as OE in North America. I don’t know what they charge for these but I’m sure the customers think they are getting the “Japanese engineered” best. There are so many better aftermarket filters out there.
@@chipyeahoo In my experience with the blue Delco filters they were not filtering as much as other premium quality filters that I have seen. I would take an educated guess and say they were catching 80% at 30 microns. I try to use 95% at 20 microns or better. I wouldn’t use any Champion labs just as a rule. I know they can make a decent filter, for example, some Mobil 1 filters but I’m not going to guess what premium filters they are making. I buy filters with the maker proudly stamped on the box or can. No guessing.
@@chipyeahoo I certainly don’t doubt anything you are saying. Many, many engines will go the distance on basic filters, but factory filters keep getting smaller and less quality, then what I’ve seen in the past and engines get ever more complicated. I’ll stick to higher end filters that I can see are catching particles when I use my filter cutter vs the cheap and factory filters that are catching almost nothing. The contaminants come out in the oil change. I like to see them trapped in the filter instead.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Subaru ends up turning to Denso to supply filters give the relationship Subaru has with Toyota. Toyota, Yamaha, and more recently Mazda have been using their made in Thailand filters for the US market. Not as nice as the Tokyo Roki filters, but plenty of Toyotas have gone 300k plus on the Thai Denso filters.
So, despite all the pearl clutching on BITOG and other forums, it seems that Subaru does not consider the 23psi bypass pressure to be absolutely critical. That's what I got out of this video. Thank you Mr. Subaru! It makes my filter choice easier. I found the AA100 Tokyo Roki Japanese filter at my local Autozone. The taller OEM filter they had was the generic, unlabeled blue one. Hoping they get the Tokyo Roki in stock. That said I wouldn't worry about using an aftermarket filter like Purolator or (trigger warning) a FRAM either.
Hi Mr. Subaru, I have a 2008 Outback that I bought while living in Montana. I went to the local NAPA store to get an oil filter (no Subaru dealer within 100 miles). The owners are huge Subaru fans and told me that the NAPA gold 1334 filter (made by Wix) is much better than the 1/2 a beer can size stock filter. They explained that the relief valve pressure (bypass valve and values) are the same - as is the threading, oil passages and fitment. That was in 2014. I've been using them ever since and have had no issues whatsoever. The NAPA gold 1334 filter is quite a bit larger but it really isn't any big deal. Thank you for your time, Doug
looks like same application as the Purolator 14459! spin on that's listed for basically all the Kia/Hyundai engines that don't use cartridges, some of the STIs, and a couple of the old DOHC timing belt hondas :)
i work in the parts department at my Nissan dealership and our subaru branch ordered 120 filters from us because they apparently work with them, our nissan filters work with most hondas and acura’s, i use them on my acura.
Question: I just hit the 1,000-mile engine break in recommendation on my 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness, so I'm going to change the oil. I noticed on the factory oil filter that it doesn't say that there's an anti-drain back valve in the filter. Shouldn't a filter that sits above the engine have such a valve to prevent dry starts...like the loud and obvious dry starts I used to get in my 2016 Jeep JK?
Everytime for 4 years the dealer here in the UK kept giving me a black unbranded filter with just a number on it despite telling them clearly I will only accept what I asked for not what they are giving me and they would go back and get the tokyo roki I asked for. Pain telling them that is what I asked for in the first place, not what you handed me. Always the reply is subaru recommend the unbranded filter, I relpy I asked for the tokyo roki not a recommendation, you don't order an outback and get a vx instead because it's recommended. They don't like me there. I was told no more tokyo roki and here the unbranded, so I switched to german made MANN W 6019 which fully meets subaru specs including oil bypass pressure. Yet the other Japanese brands dealerships never ran out of tokyo roki, only subaru. As for that Indonesian made thing, that spiral centre core is common on chinese rubbish, I will stick with MANN filters.
My '23 Crosstrek 2.0 liter came with the 15208AA160, and I just bought a half-dozen on eBay. The filters are not fully wrapped but the end wrap does not have the hole through it, and it doesn't cling like shrinkwrap over the end of the filter. The part number on the box is printed, not a sticker, but in the upper right corner of the label it says _FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES LTD_ instead of _SUBARU CORPORATION._ The sides of the box have the six-star logo and the text _SUBARU GENUINE PARTS_ and the side opposite the part number has a picture of a filter, the six-star, and the text _SUBARU._ The word _ENGINE_ is not printed on the end of the filters, but neither is it printed on the original equipment filter in the car. The box is closed with a single drop of glue, not an array of dots. The gasket has a square edge profile instead of an O-ring. Counterfeit?
I am confused - anyone please help. 2011 Legacy 2.5i Limited. Owner's Manual shows 2 options of filters for the 2.5 L models: 15208AA100 (black) & 15208AA12A (blue). However, when looking for the 15208AA100s online through any Subaru parts retailer it says that the filter does NOT fit the vehicle I had entered. Will the 100 fit or do I need to the run the 12?
Excellent video. Thank you so much for the Mazda alternative. I wonder, if you cut the filter media on the blue USA one and the blue "emergency" one, would the filter medias measure the same if stretched out flat on a table. Really more for curiosity though. I always grab a K&N Oil filter, that is until now when I'm going to go get me some Mazda ones. 😁
Keep hearing the bypass valve pressure is so important for Subaru, but here we can see even oil filter supposedly made for Subaru's doesn't even have the same standard. /shrug
I’ve read about this too. I think the alternatives are better, but I’ve also read that the blue filters are still okay, giving owners no big problems. If given the option, I will definitely choose the alternative. I haven’t tried yet, and it hasn’t given me problems yet. I am thinking of trying it next and observe for any differences.
@@nowiecoche For the time being, I went and bought the Mazda oil filter that's the same spec as the previous Subaru black for my oil change. Going to wait and see until SOA sort this mess out.
Wish I saw these earlier, I bulk bought the Made in USA version, and used it on 2 oil changes. I just ordered the Mazda version. Thank you. Mr. Subaru.
Hello, great , informative videos, thanks for making them. I have a new 2023 Crosstrek. It is the 2.0 litre engine. I remember you had mentioned a Tokyo Roki filter that is spec’ed for a Mazda ( CV5)? Can you remind me of the Mazda part number. Thank you in advance😀😀Dave
Mr. Subaru do you do oil changes and services, we just got a new Crosstrek sport (CGK) and it's coming due on first oil change. We live in Camden SC. Where are you located? Would love to meet you! Love your videos and greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into these very informative 👍
I appreciate your efforts...Unless you measure the amount of filter material, and micron rating of the media, you are wasting your time in all honesty. Just buy a Wix or Mazda filter...problems solved, this subject is getting rather ridiculous (USA, the land of plenty...lucky you are not in Australia)
I see a lot of Fram hate here, so I’m going to say that the Fram Ultra Synthetic (XG series) filters are really nice compared to their other offerings, while still being very competitively priced. I don’t blame anyone for blasting the extra guard and tough guard filters, but I wanted to say that the brand isn’t bad all the way through the lineup. PS: the XG7317 would be the long filter and the XG6607 would be the short filter
Is there actual evidence of cardboard causing an issue? It's probably only there to hold glue during assembly. The size and number of holes likely doesn't matter either. What likely matters most is quality of the media. The worse looking filter might perform better.
Hello Mr Subaru. I have a question for you or any viewer out here.. So my question really will be more a situation and would like input.. So my purge valve is dead.. so this weekend I put gas in my car and it has a rough start like the past 10 fill ups so I get kinda mad and decide I will find out if my Purge Valve is really dead or what.. I get home, unplug the PV and blow air with my mouth through it and it just is a one way which ever way I blow so obviously its dead.. So I replug the PV back in but now my car will not start.. In fact, it will not crank at all, coolant light flashes red and blue, gas tank light is flashing and so is my battery light flashing. Check engine is off while usually its on because of the purge valve.. Any ideas what could be the problem here? I have a 2010 Subaru Outback 6 speed 2.5L BTW.. I tried starting it by compression, charging the battery, boosting the battery, ziptie pos and neg terminal for a few hours to try and do a "hard reset", unplugging and replugging the purge valve to no success. All I can think of is either the ECM is now fried or I need a computer reset because before unplugging the PV, my Subaru started no problem even in freezing temperatures.. Thanks to any input I could have. I will get it towed to my mechanic but any input is appreciated and before my car gets towed, we never know what can happen.
MrSubaru1387, I know this doesn't apply to this video but it is your most recent so hopefully you will see my comment. I found an affordable spark plug ratchet option at O'Reilly's. Power Torque 3/8 drive locking flexhead. Head is 0.395 in thick, 1.218 in wide and the handle is 7.5 in long. $26.99. Hopefully this will help someone.
I don't know why we focus so much on the building materials... I don't care if it's made out of paper mache, if it has quality filtration materials and a substantial amount of it. It's 2022, I don't need my disposable oil filter to be built like ans aircraft carrier ffs... build it out of the least expensive materials you can that can last the duration of its use 🤷♂️. If it falls apart 2 seconds after you take it off who gives af? It's a disposable part...
Why would anyone buy blue Subaru filters, after you cracked one open I would never put one of those in my 2013 Legacy or 2021 Ascent 57055XP is the only way for me.
Why would you use the crappy PH6607? You should have used the XG6607. It is nice that the new replacement filter is better quality than the OEM made one.
I had a service yesterday at my local Subaru dealer and they put a tiny, black filter on my engine that says made in Indonesia. It also says Subaru on it. Might my new filter not be genuine Subaru because it was made in Indonesia and not Japan? Thanks for the great video and channel. 21 onyx xt Outback
I just changed my oil and used the blue filter bought from the dealership 3 weeks ago. The check. engine light is on and the oil filter is dented all along the top and the blue is worn off and the metal is showing through on the top. Aye! What is happening? I've never seen my filter do this. I have a 2013 Forester with 185k miles and done all maintenance. I know I don't need spark plugs. Just changed 6 months ago. The oil filter is hot after errands. Filled up gas tank and drove around but check engine light still on. I've never had a filter look like this. I will tow it to the dealership 45 minutes away tomorrow. ugh. Any ideas anyone? It's running nicely.
The couple of “Subaru “ branded filters I have cut apart appeared to be exactly the same as the equivalent Fram next to it, junk imho ! I’ll buy something else like a Wix or Mobil1, much better parts.
After watching your original oil filter comparisons, I went online and purchased the good stuff from Amayama. Great price, fast delivery. Recently I needed more filters, and again Amayama to the rescue. Not only were these replacements Japanese spec'd, but even with the added shipping from the UAE, three filters were cheaper then going to my local dealer and getting one crap USA made filter. Thanks again for the great info.
Hello, and thank you for your great videos. I have a 23 Forester sport and was wondering if you have a Mazda part number that would be the equivalent to the Subaru filter. I believe this engine is the SK series
Something to mention on bypass valve,
WIX is the ONLY oil filter to my knowledge that specifies the bypass valve pressure, and its identical to what subaru requests.
yeah wtf it opens at 160 kPA (23.2 psi for the sti 2005 )
I've heard nothing and seen nothing but good things about WIX
@@randywl8925 Actually the oil filter opens on each cold start. It closes when the oil comes up to temperature.
@@randywl8925 cold oil
Wix is 27…. Sooo…..
You should import those black filters and resell them to your viewers 🤔
Yes! I would buy. Support small business!
lol you can buy them from import image racing for $11 each
He should import those filters and give them to his subscribers 😎
The Mazda RX-8 oil filters are black Mazda-branded Tokyo Roki units not too different from the Subaru 15208AA160. It supposedly has the same bypass valve spec.
yes please
I’ve been a mechanic for 47 years. I did this same thing years ago trying to find the best filter for my customers. I was very shocked at how terrible Fran filters are. They are such a well known filter that is absolutely JUNK as you’ve proved. I can’t stress this enough to people how critical this is. Keep up the great videos and I hope a lot of people will listen to the truth you speak. Thanks
I absolutely agree. However, the Fram Ultra is one of the best filters on that market that is readily available on the shelf. I would venture to say they are as good or better than the Tokyo Roki filters.
@@cpftank09 I run the fram titanium and run the Tokyo Roki filters on my frs. You won’t see any cardboard end caps on the Fram Ultra or titanium. The orange can Fram filters are what they are a cheap bargain filter meant to be changed at 3000 miles. It will get you by but it isn’t anything special. Run the Tokyo Roki, wix, Mobil one, Bosch or Fram Titanium. It’s a roll of the dice running a cheap filter it could be okay or it could prematurely ruin your engine.
@@brianeighties4481 exactly. I’ve seen the cut away of the titanium and it’s impressive, looks like the “old” Ultra. But the Ultra is almost half the price and I doubt Fram made it worse when they revised it recently.
Nothing from Fram compares with Wix it’s above anything. Even Subaru original equipment. 🤦🏻♂️ 🤖 🤖 🤖
@@erickamekonapeper4007 I haven’t seen any filtration tests to indicate that the Tokyo Roku is any good. Yet there independent filtration tests on the Fram Ultra and it has some of the best filtration and flow rates out there. Wiz is good too, but not available everywhere.
The "emergency" filter is nice. I hope they keep that one. I'm using the lower profile wider filter for the STI on my 23 Outback. At least that's what my dealer put on when I asked them for the Japanese filter equivalent.
The USA made Subaru filter is also the same as the typical 15400-PLM-A02 Honda oil filter and we don’t seem to have an issue with getting them yet. However if you have want a Japanese made Honda oil filter that’ll work on your Subaru, Mahle makes the Honda 15400-RTA-003 oil filter. Nissan also makes Japanese made oil filters that’ll also work with your Subaru.
You’ll notice no difference using any of these!
Funny you mention that because I’m an Infiniti tech and found out 9E01 Nissan part number V8 filters also fit Hondas
I work at a Honda shop and have used the PLM A02 for forever:)
@@slowwrx1049 gone are the days of the sweet filtech made A01’s! 😢
@@nicknewyen I still have a few unused ones somewhere around here
Then it should be the same as Yamaha's 5GH-13440-xx oil filter
I went down this rabbit hole years ago trying to find a good quality filter. Oddly after HOURS of comparing datasheets and reading all witch way of forum posts I also discovered the Mazda filter as a direct fit replacement. Now granted all mine are EJ engines but as I recall the specs match close enough that it works out alright. My local Mazda dealer needless to say was incredibly surprised when I told them these are also Subaru filters in the JDM.
Mazda filters do not have anti-drain back valves on most of their filters. The one mentioned is the exemption.
Use Purolator Boss filter been using it for years definitely the best filter.
@@dwendt44 that's not a problem for the EJ-series engine since the filter is mounted on the bottom. It would not be recommended to grab a Mazda filter on newer FA-series of engine.
I’d advise against this, the bypass valve and it’s spring will probably be a much different pressure and spec required to activate them compared to the one for your vehicle.
@@Rekt-M8-v4 The bypass pressure setting is similar if not the same for most all Asian manufacturers. 13 psi.
I own a shop that rarely works on anything other than European cars, but I do deal with filter failures a lot. What I can say is you guys are looking at quality criteria that may not really matter. One of my favorite brands , and an OE brand for BMW and Benz uses foam end caps ! I'm not sure the end caps made by fram would be a problem. I guess to test it, you could throw it in boiling water for a few hours and see what comes out? Most of the cars I deal with use insert type filters, and failure is readily seen during service. A very common failure is of filter media collapse due to improper filter media manufacture. The media, is (I believe) cellulose base soaked with resin(?) and after a while operating in the engine, absorbs some moisture. The cell fibers swell and stop flowing oil. Long service intervals made possible by synthetic oil and winter operation aggravate the problem. I've seen this fault on filters that come in from a cars serviced with "STP"( had "made in USA on it), NAPA Gold, Service champ(?), and unbranded "made in China" filters. I have saved examples to prove it. I have had customers towed in with sized engines from this. 5 in the last ten years, but more than a dozen filters in that time from a wide range of cars. This includes a Napa gold that I bought last year for a Volvo V70 , and the next time the car was in for service, the oil filter was obviously affected. Instead of having straight sides, the filter looks like an hourglass shape that I typically see from this type of failure. To the credit of the Napa store I bought it from, the owner took pictures and got on the phone right then and made the right people aware of it. Now I stick with Mann, Mahle, Hengst, or Kencht (Purolator, now made by Mahle) . No doubt there are other good brands. Just not for me.
Well said.
Water makes paper fibers weak. Oil actually makes paper fibers stronger. You'd probably need to try that with boiling oil...
In my country (Chile), is easy to buy the black one filter. Last week I did the 275,000 km oil change with the black filter that I have always used, but the blue filters began to appear since few years ago. Since I saw your first filter analysis and comparison video, the blue ones have rejected me.
I need to move to SC.............There I can find a real Subaru Tech !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting stuff! I don't know why oil filter tear-downs are so compelling to watch.
I just learned about the bypass valve on oil filters! Makes sense!
That new filter is the same as any "budget" filter from all the big brands. They all come from the same factory from what I recall. Metal end caps with ribbed plastic core and same basic filtration media. Great filters when picked up at Walmart for $3.50 in their ST oil filter line.
The emergency replacement is higher quality than the filter from Subaru lol 😆
Yeah pretty sure that Subaru emergency oil filter is an AC Delco, I’ve got a good couple of years screwing around with that oil filter on GM vehicles
I’d like to hear opinions on WIX filters have been using along with Mobil 1…. The WIX filter looks identical to the first black filter in plastic
Dunno if it's just the camera angle... but the cardboard end caps on the original USA filter look so close to the sides of the can id say thats your biggest flow restriction right there. The oil coming in has to squeeze through, what appears to be less then a 32nd of an inch gap to reach the filter media on the sides. The bypass oil (should the bypass open due to restricted filter or cold weather) has to be forced past both the top and bottom end plates though that tiny gap.
Maybe I misunderstood in previous videos, does the Mazda RX8 filter work on both FA and FB engines? I own a 2015 Outback 4 banger FB25 engine.
Curious myself , own a 23 Ascent FA24, I just recently purchased Purolator BOSS for my first oil change but if the Mazda ones fit I’d use em too.
The made in USA interim filter looks better! Not surprised Subaru actually had to go more expensive when their cheap supply ran dry. I wouldn't worry about the plastic cage unless you try to pull a crazy change interval and run in the cold. Wrong bypass pressure also not shocking and will save the plastic support. Interesting Subaru is willing to use lower bypass after all the aneurisms on the internet over the years. Still makes me wary of the interim filter. Strangely, most sources say AC Delco filters are made by Champion Labs, AKA Fram. There is also a lawsuit for false made in USA claims. Who knows currently. Tokyo Roki obviously still supreme. How many Tokyo Roki filters do you have in stock, anyways? Hahaha.
I have about 18 on hand of various sizes. H6, Kei, EJ, FB, and Turbo FA sizes.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Wix is definitely better than Champ Labs. They are part of the Mann+Hummel family now, but had multiple factories and still do. The design is superior. The website says 11 facilities in 8 countries.
@@you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 Champion Labs makes ACDelco and Supertech filters, and these interim Subaru filters appear the same. Fram used to be made by Honeywell, as is USA made Honda and Subaru filters, but Fram is now part of Champion Labs. Fram and Champ Labs appear to still have separate filter lines though. Wix is now owned by Mann+Hummel, but I think most Wix filters are still a separate line of filters than Mann filters.
It's been a while since I've gone deep into oil filter sources, but I remember Champion Labs being the manufacturer of a huge amount of filter brands a few years ago, including some of the best and worst on the market.
@@CarsSimplified Yep. All depends on the factory and the specs laid out in the design.
The interim filter is completely identical to the $2.99 Walmart Supertech
The filtering media might be different. The OEM Subaru filter made by Fram uses totally different media than what Fram puts in their Extra and Tough guard series. You will never find a torn Subaru filter made by Fram.
Wow, the replacement filter is better, interesting. The new filter is made by champion labs, they hold the license for the plastic core design, and yes they make filters for ACdelco. That design is know as the ECore.
the RUclips got it wrong so I dont blame you either but its not plastic its glass filled nylon theres a huge world of difference there.
@@thenormalyears lol pa6-gf is a plastic polymer bud. You’re just splitting hairs here.
The interim filter is definitely an "e-core" design made by Champion Labs. They make filters for AC Delco and a number of private labels including including SuperTech (Walmart). While I prefer WIX and Purolator One, I have no qualms grabbing a SuperTech filter in a pinch. They're cheap, yet still far better made than Fram.
I also think they are a good filter! It would be a good thing if Subaru USA switched from Fram to Champ Labs permanently IMO.
I have used them, and they're "ok". I also prefer Wix/WixXP, Purolator One/Boss filters.
Fram and Champion labs are the same btw LOL. Champion labs is part of "Fram filtration"
@@C5Z06CarGuy Fram purchased Champ a number of years ago. But filters sold under the Fram label are still the same awful design with the cardboard end caps, while the Champ made ones retain the e-core style. You would think Fram would incorporate some of Champ's technology into their product, as Champ has obviously figured out how to create a quality product at a bargain price point. Yet they don't. I can only surmise that Fram's crappy design is even cheaper to produce than the e-core, while millions still buy their products anyway because its a "brand name". Why screw with a profitable formula like that?
@@LiveFreeOrDieDHif you can control your competition you can make more profits.
Snagged my free oil change on 22 Crossie and they gave me a blue made in USA noname. Changed it to WIX next day just in case.
I think the “new” unmarked filters are Supertech 20k mile filter. The inner cage and many other similarities appear to be the same as it. I don’t know who manufactures it, but they are pretty good filters.
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Yup, Mr Whip City knows.
@@mudpuddle2658 yup, the 7317 ST (what my Ascent uses) looks identical to whip cities cut away. I have been using Fram Ultra XG7317. I don’t think the bypass spring tension is as big of deal as people make it out to be.
Or use Wixx ones since they're just as good if not better. I use Amsoil oil and filters with no problems.
Purolator boss is made by wixs I have noticed though a lot of wix filters are made overseas now
After this video I'm going back to the Purolator One filters. They are constructed like the Japan Subaru oil filter and i've had no issues.
The "emergency" filters appear to be made by Champion Labs, which is ACDelco's supplier. The color also looks similar to ACDelco blue, and the stamping on top also matches ACDelco filters as well, so likely they are buying from Champ Labs and are being sent Delco filters without the GM label.
I was going to say- that looks like the AC Delco blue filters I use on my firebird, both in color and construction
yep and identical to SuperTech Filter at Walmart
I was real dumb to not buy some filters months ago but then again it never crossed my mind that dealerships would ran out of filters.
Dude no one could have foreseen that, yes hindsight is 20/20 but out of stock oil OEM filters?? Never would have guessed it.
@@alexv5581 it’s all fake. Just a plan from the man to keep us down and wanting.
I use the N3R1 filter in my outback XT and use the wix 75112 XP in my legacy. stocked up over the weekend.
Purolator boss is the same as wix XP
The 15208AA100 filter is the same as a Komatsu filter YM119660-35150 and I believe they’re also made in Japan. They’re pretty cheap too.
Although I don't own any import vehicles.... I do keep track of Oil Filter designs and quality........ Baldwin/Hastings and Wix are usually to top-tier that can be easily sourced in my area.
Been using the Mazdas for a 2012 wrx and 07 lgt
The new replacement oil filter looks identical to the Walmart Supertech oil filter
The pressure release valve being stiffer in the made in Japan Subaru oil filter has a function. It keeps one side of the Subaru boxer engine from starving for oil while in high speed cornering and tight cornering situations.
I’ve been a mechanic for 56 years since the 90s and last time I check Toyota also makes those filters for the subuyotas
Just taught counterfeit manufacturers how to forge a genuine Subaru filter
I switched over to the napa gold filter with the higher bypass pressure and so far so good after some oil testing through an independent lab
Careful. The higher bypass pressure means it may not be opening during cold starts. I say may because I don't know how much higher the pressure rating is on the filter you are using. Are you monitoring oil pressure at start?
I just did my oil change today on my 22 outback. Went to Napa and they didn't have the 7055 gold filter. Went down the road to the subaru dealer and the new filter with crush washer was cheaper than the napa filter 😮
Why not just use the Purolator Boss PBL14461 filter? I have cut one open and looks to be just as good if not better than the made in Japan filter and its easy to find and cheaper, and its made in the USA.
Just had my Forester serviced Friday at the dealer and they installed an ac Delco filter. Will monitor the oil carefully but I’m not worried.
Thank you for your videos. Re synthetic oil, Subaru, Mobil One, or other. Also Outback says 0w20. Thin?
I run the Subaru factory Idemitsu oil.
Just got my oil and filter changed at my local Subaru dealer and noticed that they used the new version. I was a bit concerned that it might be a cheap knock off, but after watching your video I would say it's as good or better than the old style.
Your Japanese own filter looks very much to me like HifloFiltro filters, the crimp Bering larger than the can, the plastic wrap, the round o-ring. I do not know if they sell filters for cars here but there filters for offroad are impressive quality to me and somewhat cheap yet identical to Suzuki OEMs for my motorcycle...
Could you try to unravel the filter to see the surface area of the filter paper itself in comparison to the different filters ? (on next videos)
AC Delco does not make filters. The AC Delco filters used on the assembly line where made by Delphi for General Motors assembly back when I worked for General Motors. The AC Delco filters you can by at the Delearship and Walmart etc....are made by Champion Labs most of the time. The Plastic E-Core interior core support is a dead give away that this is a Champion Labs Filter. In the past Champion Labs made K&N, Mobil-1, Bosch, STP and many other's. They will build what ever you ask for you can order of a menu with regard to design elements you want that they routinely do. So bypass, can thickness, filter media type and amount, bypass type etc....
Currently the Walmart brand 'Super Tech' oil filter is the exact same as AC Delco PF47E, which is the GM filter that fits a whole lot of cars
I'd love to see your opinion on WIX filters, especially given the OEM blues are out of stock. A lot of aftermarket oil filters have lower bypass pressures (assuming to fit different engines/manufacturers) and the old EJs (and likely FA/FB) require higher to the tune of about 23PSI. WIX was the only filter I could find for the EJ that was the exact same bypass as OEM and has metal endcaps.
Lol wix China now
You should try puralator boss. It's the best oil filter out there.
Wix meets the Subaru specs and Wix makes the Napa gold and platinum filters that will work on Subaru too.
Wix has poor filtering efficiency. Their rated efficiency is with 40 micron particles, as the particles get smaller, wix really has poor efficiency. I actually use Fram (gasp!) ultra synthetic filters. Fram ultra synthetic filters have good construction, and the best filtering efficiency available.
One of his older videos on oil filters he cut open wix and compared it to all other brands witch he cut open also , look into his past videos you should find it , i switched to wix xp from K&N after watching his video , puralator are also good
In regards to the blue replacement filters vs the original blue filters.
The replacement filter element appears smaller, but the filtering element is better spaced . Is it possible these filters have the same square inches of filtering material even though the filter cartridge looks different?
Friends don't let friends run Fram filters 😉
Would the maxda rx8 filter (N3R1-14-302) shown in the video work well with 2005 subaru legacy gt (EJ25) engines?
Yes. I use that filter on my 09 Spec.B.
@@KALI1080 thanks! I am thinking of using it for my next oil change
4:57 Yikes. Yeah when my son gets his new WRX in spring, I think we won't be using Subaru branded filters, if THAT's what they are. :( I've always liked Wix. I just checked a few videos with a Wix oil filter cut open compared to other 'leading' brands and that seems to confirm Wix is doing a lot right. I think that'll be my choice.
Wix is also one of few companies to offer the correct BPV spec.
Purolator boss is made by wixs it is the same as the XP line. And if you have a Menards near you they saw them there and they are a lot cheaper than the parts stores
Oil filter, filters oil, nothing more, nothing less. as long as you follow your recommended millages to change filters it doesn't matter who makes it or what its made of....
You need to remove filter material and measure length to compare old to new filter.
Subaru specs much higher bypass valve pressure than other makes, at least for the EJ. I don't know why, but that may explain some of the difference. Many filter companies spec the same filter for EJ and Mazda BP (Miata) applications, because the cans are the same size, while others such as Wix make a Subaru specific part number with the higher bypass pressure.
The bypass valve pressure is irrelevant if the delta P across the media is less than the valve pressure. Basically the bypass valve should never (seldom) open. Subarus engines have very high oil flow at high RPM which creates higher delta P. The Honda S2000 filter has the same bypass valve pressure setting because of the oil flow. If you use a bigger filter than the OEM filter than the bypass pressure is not a significant parameter since the larger media creates less resistance.
Long live the mazda filter!
Edit: though, I've been running it on an EJ, and others I know do too, are you sure you didn't misspeak at 14:23?
Thinking the same thing. Don’t think they fit F Series.
I feel for the Subaru owners, Honda had filters made by a company called Filtech now they’re using fram!!🤬
Guess I’ll be switching to mobile1 filters now!!
Nice free information from the good guy Mr. Subaru. Thanks Mr. Subaru.
Mr Subaru is a legend and I'm not joking I'm so thankful for his videos
15208AA100/160/170 is still the best oem filter
Bingo!
Great video. Can you please follow up with an analysis of the ACDelco replacement filter after running it for the interval. Thank you.
Have you ever opened and made a determination about 6 Star oil filters. A Subaru shop online claims they are the best filter for Subarus. I bought a couple and they seem decent. Any thoughts?
Which design of a filter does EZ30 Legacies/Outbacks use? Same as EJ series?
They have their own filter. That’s always been the black Japanese import filter. No worries there, use the factory filters.
@@MrSubaru1387 Thank You
If people are looking to buy the OEM Black Tokyo-Roki filters, I recommend US based resellers Import Image Racing (IIR) and Subiemods. IIR is where I get the Oil Change Kit for my 2022 WRX and I've no complaints on price and OEM parts included, minus the oil being Motul 0W-20 instead of Subaru-Idemitsu oil
I wondered why my last one was blank
yah the new ones like like Champion Labs (ACDelco) made which are identical to SuperTech filters. I bet the fram numbers would be 7317 and 6607
I just don't get it. Why the hell don't they just get them from Tokyo Roki.......Mazda and Toyota do, so the cost thing is not gonna cut it as an explanation for me. Getting so tired of these shit filters
Seriously. They use the Tokyo Roku on WRX, BRZ, H6 engines. I don’t get the switch for N/A H4 engines.
@@MrSubaru1387 you ain’t just whistlin dixie brother.
The replacement filters are Champion Labs. Just like AC Delco as you mentioned. These are really not much better then the Fram made filter. Possibly worse filter media. It’s a travesty that Subaru and Honda use these as OE in North America. I don’t know what they charge for these but I’m sure the customers think they are getting the “Japanese engineered” best. There are so many better aftermarket filters out there.
@@chipyeahoo In my experience with the blue Delco filters they were not filtering as much as other premium quality filters that I have seen. I would take an educated guess and say they were catching 80% at 30 microns. I try to use 95% at 20 microns or better. I wouldn’t use any Champion labs just as a rule. I know they can make a decent filter, for example, some Mobil 1 filters but I’m not going to guess what premium filters they are making. I buy filters with the maker proudly stamped on the box or can. No guessing.
@@chipyeahoo I certainly don’t doubt anything you are saying. Many, many engines will go the distance on basic filters, but factory filters keep getting smaller and less quality, then what I’ve seen in the past and engines get ever more complicated. I’ll stick to higher end filters that I can see are catching particles when I use my filter cutter vs the cheap and factory filters that are catching almost nothing. The contaminants come out in the oil change. I like to see them trapped in the filter instead.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Subaru ends up turning to Denso to supply filters give the relationship Subaru has with Toyota. Toyota, Yamaha, and more recently Mazda have been using their made in Thailand filters for the US market. Not as nice as the Tokyo Roki filters, but plenty of Toyotas have gone 300k plus on the Thai Denso filters.
Subaru bids parts to the cheapest supplier. I highly doubt Denso will be the cheapest
So, despite all the pearl clutching on BITOG and other forums, it seems that Subaru does not consider the 23psi bypass pressure to be absolutely critical. That's what I got out of this video. Thank you Mr. Subaru! It makes my filter choice easier.
I found the AA100 Tokyo Roki Japanese filter at my local Autozone. The taller OEM filter they had was the generic, unlabeled blue one. Hoping they get the Tokyo Roki in stock. That said I wouldn't worry about using an aftermarket filter like Purolator or (trigger warning) a FRAM either.
Hi Mr. Subaru,
I have a 2008 Outback that I bought while living in Montana. I went to the local NAPA store to get an oil filter (no Subaru dealer within 100 miles). The owners are huge Subaru fans and told me that the NAPA gold 1334 filter (made by Wix) is much better than the 1/2 a beer can size stock filter. They explained that the relief valve pressure (bypass valve and values) are the same - as is the threading, oil passages and fitment. That was in 2014. I've been using them ever since and have had no issues whatsoever. The NAPA gold 1334 filter is quite a bit larger but it really isn't any big deal.
Thank you for your time, Doug
looks like same application as the Purolator 14459! spin on that's listed for basically all the Kia/Hyundai engines that don't use cartridges, some of the STIs, and a couple of the old DOHC timing belt hondas :)
i work in the parts department at my Nissan dealership and our subaru branch ordered 120 filters from us because they apparently work with them, our nissan filters work with most hondas and acura’s, i use them on my acura.
Question: I just hit the 1,000-mile engine break in recommendation on my 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness, so I'm going to change the oil. I noticed on the factory oil filter that it doesn't say that there's an anti-drain back valve in the filter. Shouldn't a filter that sits above the engine have such a valve to prevent dry starts...like the loud and obvious dry starts I used to get in my 2016 Jeep JK?
Everytime for 4 years the dealer here in the UK kept giving me a black unbranded filter with just a number on it despite telling them clearly I will only accept what I asked for not what they are giving me and they would go back and get the tokyo roki I asked for. Pain telling them that is what I asked for in the first place, not what you handed me. Always the reply is subaru recommend the unbranded filter, I relpy I asked for the tokyo roki not a recommendation, you don't order an outback and get a vx instead because it's recommended. They don't like me there. I was told no more tokyo roki and here the unbranded, so I switched to german made MANN W 6019 which fully meets subaru specs including oil bypass pressure. Yet the other Japanese brands dealerships never ran out of tokyo roki, only subaru. As for that Indonesian made thing, that spiral centre core is common on chinese rubbish, I will stick with MANN filters.
Will the mazada filiter fit a 2020 outback 2.5 liter?
My '23 Crosstrek 2.0 liter came with the 15208AA160, and I just bought a half-dozen on eBay.
The filters are not fully wrapped but the end wrap does not have the hole through it, and it doesn't cling like shrinkwrap over the end of the filter.
The part number on the box is printed, not a sticker, but in the upper right corner of the label it says _FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES LTD_ instead of _SUBARU CORPORATION._
The sides of the box have the six-star logo and the text _SUBARU GENUINE PARTS_ and the side opposite the part number has a picture of a filter, the six-star, and the text _SUBARU._
The word _ENGINE_ is not printed on the end of the filters, but neither is it printed on the original equipment filter in the car.
The box is closed with a single drop of glue, not an array of dots.
The gasket has a square edge profile instead of an O-ring.
Counterfeit?
I am confused - anyone please help. 2011 Legacy 2.5i Limited. Owner's Manual shows 2 options of filters for the 2.5 L models: 15208AA100 (black) & 15208AA12A (blue). However, when looking for the 15208AA100s online through any Subaru parts retailer it says that the filter does NOT fit the vehicle I had entered. Will the 100 fit or do I need to the run the 12?
Excellent video. Thank you so much for the Mazda alternative. I wonder, if you cut the filter media on the blue USA one and the blue "emergency" one, would the filter medias measure the same if stretched out flat on a table. Really more for curiosity though. I always grab a K&N Oil filter, that is until now when I'm going to go get me some Mazda ones. 😁
Keep hearing the bypass valve pressure is so important for Subaru, but here we can see even oil filter supposedly made for Subaru's doesn't even have the same standard. /shrug
I’ve read about this too. I think the alternatives are better, but I’ve also read that the blue filters are still okay, giving owners no big problems. If given the option, I will definitely choose the alternative. I haven’t tried yet, and it hasn’t given me problems yet. I am thinking of trying it next and observe for any differences.
@@nowiecoche For the time being, I went and bought the Mazda oil filter that's the same spec as the previous Subaru black for my oil change. Going to wait and see until SOA sort this mess out.
That blue OEM Subaru filter looks a lot like the blue OEM Honda filter, which is just an orange can Fram painted blue. Buyer beware.
Wish I saw these earlier, I bulk bought the Made in USA version, and used it on 2 oil changes. I just ordered the Mazda version. Thank you. Mr. Subaru.
As long as it's not leaking , The filter is good 💯💯💯💯
So the Subaru USA 15208AA15A = Subaru Japan 15208AA160 = Mazda N3R1-14-302?
I know my vehicle takes the 15A, should take the rest?
Are both the Japanese Mazda filter and Japanese (black) subaru filters in this video compatible with the 2011-14 WRX’s? Thank you !
Hello, great , informative videos, thanks for making them. I have a new 2023 Crosstrek. It is the 2.0 litre engine. I remember you had mentioned a Tokyo Roki filter that is spec’ed for a Mazda ( CV5)? Can you remind me of the Mazda part number. Thank you in advance😀😀Dave
Mr. Subaru do you do oil changes and services, we just got a new Crosstrek sport (CGK) and it's coming due on first oil change. We live in Camden SC. Where are you located? Would love to meet you! Love your videos and greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into these very informative 👍
Are there any issues with using the newer SOA6351520815 (longer) filters in an EJ specifically the EJ255 in the Wrx without the oil cooler?
I appreciate your efforts...Unless you measure the amount of filter material, and micron rating of the media, you are wasting your time in all honesty. Just buy a Wix or Mazda filter...problems solved, this subject is getting rather ridiculous (USA, the land of plenty...lucky you are not in Australia)
I see a lot of Fram hate here, so I’m going to say that the Fram Ultra Synthetic (XG series) filters are really nice compared to their other offerings, while still being very competitively priced. I don’t blame anyone for blasting the extra guard and tough guard filters, but I wanted to say that the brand isn’t bad all the way through the lineup.
PS: the XG7317 would be the long filter and the XG6607 would be the short filter
Is there actual evidence of cardboard causing an issue? It's probably only there to hold glue during assembly. The size and number of holes likely doesn't matter either. What likely matters most is quality of the media. The worse looking filter might perform better.
Hello Mr Subaru. I have a question for you or any viewer out here.. So my question really will be more a situation and would like input.. So my purge valve is dead.. so this weekend I put gas in my car and it has a rough start like the past 10 fill ups so I get kinda mad and decide I will find out if my Purge Valve is really dead or what.. I get home, unplug the PV and blow air with my mouth through it and it just is a one way which ever way I blow so obviously its dead.. So I replug the PV back in but now my car will not start.. In fact, it will not crank at all, coolant light flashes red and blue, gas tank light is flashing and so is my battery light flashing. Check engine is off while usually its on because of the purge valve.. Any ideas what could be the problem here?
I have a 2010 Subaru Outback 6 speed 2.5L BTW.. I tried starting it by compression, charging the battery, boosting the battery, ziptie pos and neg terminal for a few hours to try and do a "hard reset", unplugging and replugging the purge valve to no success. All I can think of is either the ECM is now fried or I need a computer reset because before unplugging the PV, my Subaru started no problem even in freezing temperatures..
Thanks to any input I could have. I will get it towed to my mechanic but any input is appreciated and before my car gets towed, we never know what can happen.
MrSubaru1387, I know this doesn't apply to this video but it is your most recent so hopefully you will see my comment. I found an affordable spark plug ratchet option at O'Reilly's. Power Torque 3/8 drive locking flexhead. Head is 0.395 in thick, 1.218 in wide and the handle is 7.5 in long. $26.99. Hopefully this will help someone.
So the RX-8 filter will work with both the latest NA and turbo engines?
I don't know why we focus so much on the building materials... I don't care if it's made out of paper mache, if it has quality filtration materials and a substantial amount of it. It's 2022, I don't need my disposable oil filter to be built like ans aircraft carrier ffs... build it out of the least expensive materials you can that can last the duration of its use 🤷♂️. If it falls apart 2 seconds after you take it off who gives af? It's a disposable part...
Why would anyone buy blue Subaru filters, after you cracked one open I would never put one of those in my 2013 Legacy or 2021 Ascent 57055XP is the only way for me.
Why would you use the crappy PH6607? You should have used the XG6607. It is nice that the new replacement filter is better quality than the OEM made one.
@MrSubaru1387 do you recommend the short vs the long Japanese filter for a ej25?
I have my 2020 Outback serviced based on time. Only couple thousand in six month. Wd I really benefit much w black vs blue filter? Only 12k mi.
I had a service yesterday at my local Subaru dealer and they put a tiny, black filter on my engine that says made in Indonesia. It also says Subaru on it. Might my new filter not be genuine Subaru because it was made in Indonesia and not Japan? Thanks for the great video and channel. 21 onyx xt Outback
I just changed my oil and used the blue filter bought from the dealership 3 weeks ago. The check. engine light is on and the oil filter is dented all along the top and the blue is worn off and the metal is showing through on the top. Aye! What is happening? I've never seen my filter do this. I have a 2013 Forester with 185k miles and done all maintenance. I know I don't need spark plugs. Just changed 6 months ago. The oil filter is hot after errands. Filled up gas tank and drove around but check engine light still on. I've never had a filter look like this. I will tow it to the dealership 45 minutes away tomorrow. ugh. Any ideas anyone? It's running nicely.
02 2.5 N/A in my VW vanagon I've used Purolator, Wix and Mobil-1 filters for 20 years.
The couple of “Subaru “ branded filters I have cut apart appeared to be exactly the same as the equivalent Fram next to it, junk imho ! I’ll buy something else like a Wix or Mobil1, much better parts.
Just finished buying and installing this mazda filter on my 06 Subaru Baja Turbo 👍🏼 very pleased nice quality
After watching your original oil filter comparisons, I went online and purchased the good stuff from Amayama. Great price, fast delivery. Recently I needed more filters, and again Amayama to the rescue. Not only were these replacements Japanese spec'd, but even with the added shipping from the UAE, three filters were cheaper then going to my local dealer and getting one crap USA made filter. Thanks again for the great info.
Did you you have to pay any brokerage fees or import duties when you ordered them from Amayama or from the UAE? Thanks
@@JeffreyHall-n9s Nope, just the usual shipping fee. Again, these were cheaper than anywhere else.
Hello, and thank you for your great videos. I have a 23 Forester sport and was wondering if you have a Mazda part number that would be the equivalent to the Subaru filter. I believe this engine is the SK series