I had my oil changed at my Subaru dealership two weeks ago and I checked my oil three days ago. I discovered oil pooled around the filter housing about 1/8” deep. I drove to the dealership and they said a lady came in yesterday with the same problem. They said that Subaru redesigned the filter and that this is a nation wide problem but corporate hasn’t given them any instructions on how to fix it. They changed the filter and said it was fixed. I drove home, 9 miles, and checked the oil and there is a slight amount of oil around the filter. The oil filter is accessible by opening the hood. 2018 Forester with 30380 miles on it. I called corporate and they assigned me a rep and case number. He said he wasn’t aware of my specific issue but would have to do some research and make some calls and get back to me. Anyway, I took a paper towel and cleaned all the oil from around the filter, let it set a few days and checked today. Car hasn’t ran and no oil. I started it and let it warm up then applied gas to run at 2500 rpm for 5-10 seconds. A slight amount of oil appears at the low side of the filter. I checked the filter at it is a 15208AA20A from Indonesia. I guess I will have to wait for the rep to call.
Same here. I use the 57055 filter on my Ascent and have used Wix filters on all the Subies that I've owned in the past. In case anyone isn't aware, the Napa Gold filter is made by Wix.
But do you feel the new style is better than anything on the shelf at my local auto parts store? Wix is still good, right? (And by default, the Walmart by Wix).
Up here in the Glorious People's Republic of Canuckistan, WIX are now made by Mann Filters. I still use them, but I have no idea if this was a step up or a step back.
Subaru uses the same filter as Honda and Fram/Honeywell has already been making the Honda filters in blue so all they had to do was paint Subaru on them instead of Honda.
Will be really interesting to see what the aa100 ends up being - I would think if they changed designs they'd change the p/n the way they did for the bigger filter...
interesting stuff - alot goes into your video presentation. thank you after seeing your old cut filter video and this one, i may stick with the fram ultra synthetic XG7317 I had seen it compared with wix and they seem to be the same. very much like your Japanese filters. Ive looked at cheaper fram filters and passed. {not so good} this Ultra one has been great in our little line of Subaru cars, only wix makes the size for the trucks here and oddly its a bit lower cost yet bigger & has the same internals. Ive seen a few other scientific comparisons {yeah I research a bit lol} the particles in the used oil samples are very similar between these I used to use subaru filters, but they proved to be sub par in past comparisons I had done [just for the fun of it] like other "studies" these are just opinions, its a good plan to keep an open mind as you check each theory. sub filters might sometimes [used to] be about the same cost, but the stealerships in a city nearby had their own idea of pricing, oops they were often way over others, So I started ordering. my fram ultras are not what a regular fram filter is.
The filter made in Indonesia has many of the same characteristics of a Sakura oil filter that @WhipCityWrencher recently reviewed (Honda Oil Filter 15400-PLM-A02 vs. Sakura Oil Filter C-1821 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison) including the coil spring with the cup it sits in and the spacing of the four rivets that attach the bypass valve.
I'll stick with Purolator Boss PBL14615. I don't trust OE to not change suppliers not telling you, and screw you over to save a few cents. I suppose different brands could do the same, but I trust them a little bit more.
Nice to see they are being made to similar specifications even if there are small differences. The Indonesian filter ADBV may be a bit thinner, but the reinforcing ribs will mean similar overall strength I'd imagine, and the larger size may mean more flow potential. The difference in filtration media area is likely very small, and it's definitely still a quality and strong canister. Bypass valve looks nice as well and the coil spring is actually a higher quality item to my mind. Overall, without some insane levels of testing, I'd say use without worry! It's definitely made like other quality filters we consider top tier.
Those differences are a bit concerning though. Id rather pay the scalpers 25 bucks for a guaranteed Made in Japan filter than to risk the Indonesian ones for 12 bucks.
@@VotEtoPizdets Not sure why. They are effectively identical. The Indonesian filter has what, 10% less filter media at most? A stronger spiral core with larger holes. Keep in mind the area of a circle is exponential with diameter and the filter media is far more restrictive than those holes. It has a potentially better flowing ADBV that will definitely still function. It has a coil spring for retention instead of a leaf spring which is generally a more premium feature. Overall it looks like just as good a filter as the Japanese with what looks like slightly more material on the filter metal end caps as well. Very stout construction. The only issue would be if the filtration media is not as high quality, but it at least looks similar if not identical. Could be from the same supplier. For anyone who does regular oil changes, this is a premium filter far better than most of the cheap filters at parts stores and far better than the Subaru blue filters. People don't need to stress over this one.
@@802Garage I was having the same thoughts exactly. If anything, the pleats in the Indonesian filter looked more uniform, which could lead to more consistent filtering. On top of that, having a slightly more compliant drain back gasket could make it seal better.
@@Zephyr8086 Indeed. From what we can see in this video, absolutely no reservations about the Indonesian filter. Is it a bummer it doesn't say Japan on it? Sure. Indonesians need work too. ;)
Thanks for the video! It's interesting to see that the construction of the Indonesian Tokyo Roki is quite different. By comparison, the Thai Mahle Honda filters and Japanese Mahle Honda filters are pretty much identical. I guess Tokyo Roki purchased quite different types of manufacturing machines for the Indonesian factory.
Thanks for the info Mr Subaru! I havent had problems with the no name blue filters but it is nice to know that a better filter will soon be available for us North America Subie owners.
I just run the Mobil 1 m1-110a on my three Subies. They are easy to find at any AutoZone or Walmart. They are good quality filters and only put 3-5k miles on them anyway.
Thanks for the comparison. I use only Amsoil products but even they recommend WIX if they can't get you their own. Food for thought. My 2023 Impreza came with 3 free oil changes so I'll request the black filter when due.
Not a bad surface layer visual difference. I would have done some proper testing with poor quality oil and so on to get the disagreement between people out of the way. I've never noticed a difference with these oil filters, I strongly feel if a brand had wanted the best for their cars no matter what they would have just have just given the same design overall or within the same margin (not enough to make any difference) to their whole line up. I would have taken a look at the construction of the filter media, the amount of pleats, filtered some bad oil with some particles and testing things a little further. The titles only suggests hype in the theory of it all without any actual conclusion on the topic. I hope to see more testing on this from you.
I can't picture Tokyo roki having built a factory in Indonesia, but am leaning towards they might be made by Sakura filters. They do quite a few aftermarket brands here in Australia and their own brand. I've used 100s of them and never had an issue and have cut a few open in the past for inspection.
Here in Sydney, Australia at my local Subaru service centre when I get the oil filter , it’s always been black over the years. Never seen the blue filters here 👍
I believe most of the blue filters were made in Mexico, so it would make sense you weren't getting them there. Not that they couldn't have used a different factory.
Mr Subaru - How about a follow up on these new AA20A Indonesian filters? Have you installed any on customer’s vehicles? There are numerous reports from users and dealers about oil leaking around the base!
+1 to that. Been running M1-110 and 108. Just dont know if its running it at the OEM pressure spec or anything else but it has worked great for me. I still change it out every oil change.
Likewise. The Mobil1 M1-110 I've used exclusively! Just before and after a 9500 km trip in July. Works just fine and no oil comsumption on the entire trip.
Now this video explains why I rec'd a blank blue oil filter in June. Thanks for the heads up and comparison. Find your videos informative and valuable.
Love your videos! You helped me feel more confident picking up a 24 Crosstrek Sport. The only thing I’m still worried about is the infotainment since the climate controls are baked into the screen. There was a class action suit on the older infotainment setups being slow, laggy, or glitchy and makes me reconsider the longevity and reliability of the infotainment. Is this something you consider a problem for someone who wants to use their cars long term? Is there anything we can do to maintain or prevent issues? You rock!!
Keep your hands clean before using the screen, don’t spray any harsh chemicals on the screen directly and keep it dry and clean at all times, use a sunshade in the hottest days of the year hope this helps
I have a 2024 Crosstrek Limited and I think the complaints about the infotainment system are overblown. I mastered the use of mine with little difficulty. I like it.
you need to take out the filter media and actually calculate the area (square footage) to properly determine filtration effectiveness. in a real word scenario the bypass valve should never be used in the first place since you should be changing out the oil filter at regular OCIs that are well before the filter media became so clogged that the filter bypass valve would need to be used. Plus, thinner “flimsier” bypass valve means easier actuation of the valve in case of blockages.
When my 2024 BRZ comes in I already confirmed with my dealer/service center; that I can supply the oil and filter for my oil changes. I am going with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Wix oil filters (which have been proven through testing to be amongst the best)
I used a wide variety of filters on my '96 Pathfinder. Factory, A/C, Several Fram, Mobile-1, etc. I used Mobile-1 oil first 100,000 miles, then Synthetic Blend after that. Zero Oil Consumption, even after 200,000 miles. I think the important part is that I CHANGED the oil EVERY 5,000 miles.
The anti-drain back valve DOES NOT STOP THE OIL from DRAINING out of these oil filters !!!! Causing dry startups. I suspect that’s why there is no oil pressure gauge in my car.
Interesting, I purchased an OE oil filter for my 08 OB yesterday from the local dealer and they gave me a US made blue filter. I wonder if they found an old case of them laying around since the last one they gave me was the unbranded blue filter. Also I am starting to think Japanese companies are outsourcing to Indonesia. I bought a few NGK plugs ( which have always been Japanese made) for my lawn equipment last season and they were all made in Indonesia.
All of the ASEAN countries have a free trade agreement (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc). There are huge taxes (100%) on cars that are fully imported from Japan, so local assembly is essential. Where Toyota and Honda have their factories (and respectively Denso factories or engine factories making parts) in Thailand, Subaru's assembly factory is in Malaysia with parts and testing from Indonesia.
Only the Japanese ones should be black. It's a little deceptive to make these Indonesian ones in black as well. It's like an endorsed knock off. I'll stick with the Mazda filters. Thank you for that video long ago and this one.
Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to more info on these new black filters. I'll keep pulling from my 160 stock for now. It'll be interesting to see if they keep shipping Foresters and other vehicles made in Japan with the 160s or the new Indonesian filter.
@@mattsbrute thanks for the update. I suppose that will only last for another year or two as they move all US Forester and Forester hybrid production to Lafayette, Indiana.
I just bought the Subaru branded oil filter from Walmart (part# 15208AA15A) and it comes in a completely different packaging than shown. It is the black filter stamped with "Made in Indonesia", has the "M" stamped on the top plate and cost $10.97 before tax.
My favorite filter currently is the “MicroGard Select” from Oreilly’s Auto Parts. Very solid construction and quality materials! Part # MSL57055 for our Subarus $10.99
Yes I’ve seen a ton of oil filters dissected and this MicroGard Select is just awesome all around for the price! I’m not sure if it’s made by Wix. Others have said it’s made by Premium Guard 🤷🏻 All I know is it’s made in Vietnam and like the build quality, materials used, & price.
Thanks for the great video. I bought an oil filter from my local dealer today. This filter is blue with NO Subaru markings. The only markings are on top of the filter. One P/N is 23103AB20:44 and the other is S0A6351520815 along with Made in USA. No plastic cover over the opening. Any thoughts on this filter.
i also received one from my Canadian Dealer in August 2023. Went to the Wix dealer and got 3 57055XP and immediately swapped the blue one out for the WixXP. Just found out today that Subaru Canada is supplying the Indonesian 15208AA20A to their dealers.
Looks like Subaru Online Parts is shipping the 15208AA21A filter now. Apparently, it's a direct replacement for the 15208AA20A. I'm curious what changed.
I had a napa gold filter leak on my outback. The top was cut about 3-4 degrees from square. Napa gave me a new filter and an extra quart of oil for the trouble. Now I check them for square before installing.
good to know! (and they're suposedly made by Wix, so ... seems like a LOT of quality issues and supply chain issues these days still now. Autoline says that the supply chain has permanent damage possibly!
Totally appreciate your knowledge ive been watching your channel off & on. Not owning one. Recently I pickedup on 2006 imperza 2.5i luv the seating and start also drive, has ralley race vibe aka ken block others. Handles curves great. Question for my old Ej high miles is it Safe to use K&N or Mobil 1. As alternative to newer Oem you mentioned. I was about to go autozone or Walmart buy that Blue can of Death you mentioned. I think my Imperza has that blue can from Previous owner. Believe has to local ralley dirt events. More on that later when make a video.
I’m a little puzzled as to why Subaru feels the need to provide cost conscious filters to the US market, when Toyota doesn’t seem so concerned. The new filter does seem to be an improvement, though.
FB20 FA20 engines (top mnt filter). use a filter with both an anti-siphon valve and anti-drainback valve...that are needed for upside down filters. Where is the Anti-syphon valve??
I have a hookup at my local Toyota dealer. I been using FRS filter for my FA20 WRX and Forester and now my XV Crosstrek. I havent had any issues at all.
Question… I’ve seen some people say that the Subaru design of having the filter up top of the engine allows oil to drain out of the filter even with anti-drain back filters. Thereby having gap in oil supply at startup for first 5-10 seconds. Therefore having premature wear over time due to this design. Is there any factual basis. I’ve also seen a company called Baxter Performance who can sell a Subaru anti drain adapter to solve this issue. Any truth to any of this??? Thank you
Great info as usual. Just watched a more comprehensive video comparing weights and media material and lengths ruclips.net/video/c_SNsyMjce8/видео.html , the differences are subtle and become a moot point if regular oil changes are done consistently with synthetic oil that meets or exceeds manufacturers ratings. Four Subaru's later and never had an issue using OEM filters, intervals of 5K miles / 8K km or less mileage and properly rated oil. BTW no issue with Costco oil once or ever.
I would suspect and certainly hope that the Indonesian filters and the Japanese ones are targeting the same specifications and performance, and ideally the same filter media. The construction would have been adjusted for local component availability as well as the machinery the plant has. Not knowing the whole story, the new filters could even be produced by a partner or subcontractor.
Ive always used Fram Force or Titanium part no ending in 7317. Only bacause 1) its included in an oil change bundle every month at Advance Auto and 2 my brothers Honda and my dads Acura use the same filter as well. Easy to remember.
Local Subaru dealership just got in a bunch of the Tokyo Roki filters that are marked with Made in Japan, clearly the real thing. Thankfully I watched this video earlier on, because once I realized what they had in stock, I bought 14 of them. They actually cost me less than the acdelco replacement filter, and it's still from the dealership. For clarification, these mine are the ones ending in AA100.
Are the springs inside the filter feeromagnetic? The reason I'm asking is because i want to place a circular magnet on top of the oil filter and I'm worried that the magnet may alter the spring intended function.
Napa gold on my 2018 Outback. No issues for far going on 89,000 miles. Switched to Napa gold around 66,000 miles. Runs great! Oil changes every 6,000 miles.
some body enlighten me any car truck I have ever owned just went to the otto store and bought the oil filter that fit my car truck .What is all the cuffle?? Let me no. To me its just an oil filter plus I have never had engine troubles with off the shelf usually get 200 thousand miles out of all my cars.
Just watched the whole video, and I don't even own a Subaru
Same 😂
Same
Definitely a sign to buy one
Still gotta burn through the Mazda NR 31s you told me to buy !
😂😂😅
*N3R1
I had my oil changed at my Subaru dealership two weeks ago and I checked my oil three days ago. I discovered oil pooled around the filter housing about 1/8” deep. I drove to the dealership and they said a lady came in yesterday with the same problem. They said that Subaru redesigned the filter and that this is a nation wide problem but corporate hasn’t given them any instructions on how to fix it. They changed the filter and said it was fixed. I drove home, 9 miles, and checked the oil and there is a slight amount of oil around the filter. The oil filter is accessible by opening the hood. 2018 Forester with 30380 miles on it. I called corporate and they assigned me a rep and case number. He said he wasn’t aware of my specific issue but would have to do some research and make some calls and get back to me. Anyway, I took a paper towel and cleaned all the oil from around the filter, let it set a few days and checked today. Car hasn’t ran and no oil. I started it and let it warm up then applied gas to run at 2500 rpm for 5-10 seconds. A slight amount of oil appears at the low side of the filter. I checked the filter at it is a 15208AA20A from Indonesia. I guess I will have to wait for the rep to call.
Any updates?
@@bigweeweehaver waiting swell
@@georgeayres2310 Maybe you should just replace the filter with a Mobil 1 M-110. To hell with the factory units.
I am using 15208AA100 (made in Japan) last 10 years and I never lost a drop of oil. I never had to add an oil too.
Think ill stick with the mazda filter every 2,500mi still for my modifed EJ. E85 dirties up oil quick
I came here to say this exact thing. Though I don't run E85 and change it out about 3.5-4k.
Change oil and filter on due time and everything will run smooth, whatever filter brand.
Yep I do mine every 3 months lot of slow dusty off road driving.
I just bought a case of WIX XP's................RATS
I’ve been using the Wix XP 57055 for years now. Great filter, OE pressure spec, awesome filters.
But made in Mexico now. I still use them though
I use the denso Japanese filter
Same here. I use the 57055 filter on my Ascent and have used Wix filters on all the Subies that I've owned in the past. In case anyone isn't aware, the Napa Gold filter is made by Wix.
But do you feel the new style is better than anything on the shelf at my local auto parts store? Wix is still good, right? (And by default, the Walmart by Wix).
Up here in the Glorious People's Republic of Canuckistan, WIX are now made by Mann Filters. I still use them, but I have no idea if this was a step up or a step back.
I was charged $26 for a unmarked filter from a dealership couple weeks ago. Always shop around.
I stopped using the blue ones and switched to Purolator's Pure One until a few years ago when they developed the Boss line.
Surely they just contracted an existing filter plant. I'd bet the farm that new filter matches something else already on the market.
Subaru uses the same filter as Honda and Fram/Honeywell has already been making the Honda filters in blue so all they had to do was paint Subaru on them instead of Honda.
I still use the RX8 filters , even if they are a little pricey direct from Mazda.
Stop the cap 🧢
great vid! I guess BRZs are outliers? Haven't had any issues getting the black, made in Japan AA170 filters for my 2022 BRZ.
What Subaru filter do you recommend for a 2022 Subaru outback wilderness with a FA24 ?
Will be really interesting to see what the aa100 ends up being - I would think if they changed designs they'd change the p/n the way they did for the bigger filter...
interesting stuff - alot goes into your video presentation. thank you
after seeing your old cut filter video and this one,
i may stick with the fram ultra synthetic XG7317 I had seen it compared with wix and they seem to be the same.
very much like your Japanese filters.
Ive looked at cheaper fram filters and passed. {not so good}
this Ultra one has been great in our little line of Subaru cars,
only wix makes the size for the trucks here and oddly its a bit lower cost yet bigger & has the same internals.
Ive seen a few other scientific comparisons {yeah I research a bit lol}
the particles in the used oil samples are very similar between these
I used to use subaru filters, but they proved to be sub par in past comparisons I had done [just for the fun of it]
like other "studies" these are just opinions, its a good plan to keep an open mind as you check each theory.
sub filters might sometimes [used to] be about the same cost, but the stealerships in a city nearby had their own idea of pricing, oops they were often way over others, So I started ordering.
my fram ultras are not what a regular fram filter is.
The filter made in Indonesia has many of the same characteristics of a Sakura oil filter that @WhipCityWrencher recently reviewed (Honda Oil Filter 15400-PLM-A02 vs. Sakura Oil Filter C-1821 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison) including the coil spring with the cup it sits in and the spacing of the four rivets that attach the bypass valve.
I'll stick with Purolator Boss PBL14615. I don't trust OE to not change suppliers not telling you, and screw you over to save a few cents. I suppose different brands could do the same, but I trust them a little bit more.
Same here, I got noise on start up with the blue factory filter, minimal with the WIX, none with the Boss
Good choice best filter made . Far superior to the Indonesia counter part😊
Napa gold or wix has not let me down yet.
The last Napa Gold for my Outback said "Made in China" on it. ::(
Nice to see they are being made to similar specifications even if there are small differences. The Indonesian filter ADBV may be a bit thinner, but the reinforcing ribs will mean similar overall strength I'd imagine, and the larger size may mean more flow potential. The difference in filtration media area is likely very small, and it's definitely still a quality and strong canister. Bypass valve looks nice as well and the coil spring is actually a higher quality item to my mind. Overall, without some insane levels of testing, I'd say use without worry! It's definitely made like other quality filters we consider top tier.
Those differences are a bit concerning though. Id rather pay the scalpers 25 bucks for a guaranteed Made in Japan filter than to risk the Indonesian ones for 12 bucks.
@@VotEtoPizdets Not sure why. They are effectively identical. The Indonesian filter has what, 10% less filter media at most? A stronger spiral core with larger holes. Keep in mind the area of a circle is exponential with diameter and the filter media is far more restrictive than those holes. It has a potentially better flowing ADBV that will definitely still function. It has a coil spring for retention instead of a leaf spring which is generally a more premium feature. Overall it looks like just as good a filter as the Japanese with what looks like slightly more material on the filter metal end caps as well. Very stout construction. The only issue would be if the filtration media is not as high quality, but it at least looks similar if not identical. Could be from the same supplier. For anyone who does regular oil changes, this is a premium filter far better than most of the cheap filters at parts stores and far better than the Subaru blue filters. People don't need to stress over this one.
@@802Garage I was having the same thoughts exactly. If anything, the pleats in the Indonesian filter looked more uniform, which could lead to more consistent filtering. On top of that, having a slightly more compliant drain back gasket could make it seal better.
@@Zephyr8086 Indeed. From what we can see in this video, absolutely no reservations about the Indonesian filter. Is it a bummer it doesn't say Japan on it? Sure. Indonesians need work too. ;)
Thanks for the video! It's interesting to see that the construction of the Indonesian Tokyo Roki is quite different. By comparison, the Thai Mahle Honda filters and Japanese Mahle Honda filters are pretty much identical. I guess Tokyo Roki purchased quite different types of manufacturing machines for the Indonesian factory.
Thanks for the info Mr Subaru! I havent had problems with the no name blue filters but it is nice to know that a better filter will soon be available for us North America Subie owners.
I just run the Mobil 1 m1-110a on my three Subies. They are easy to find at any AutoZone or Walmart. They are good quality filters and only put 3-5k miles on them anyway.
I use the same. I run with m1 oil and change once a year. I only put on less than 7,000 miles on my cars.
FYI Subaru and Honda uses the same oil filters… so yea 😂😂😂
Where do you suggest sourcing the japanese filters?
I order off Amazon and get the Black ones every time.
Same!
Yep and just looked at mine, it’s a true Japan filter too.
Great info. Going to try the Mazda oil filter next time. Thanks.
For the 2.4L turbo engine, WIX WL10078. Problem solved. Easy to find at O'Reilly's, etc.
I run the same on my 2020 FA20.
You need to test the indonesian filter really by running it in a car
I will. They just got to the dealer Monday. Hard to test them for 5,000 miles in 3 days. Lol
Thanks for the comparison. I use only Amsoil products but even they recommend WIX if they can't get you their own. Food for thought. My 2023 Impreza came with 3 free oil changes so I'll request the black filter when due.
Not a bad surface layer visual difference. I would have done some proper testing with poor quality oil and so on to get the disagreement between people out of the way. I've never noticed a difference with these oil filters, I strongly feel if a brand had wanted the best for their cars no matter what they would have just have just given the same design overall or within the same margin (not enough to make any difference) to their whole line up. I would have taken a look at the construction of the filter media, the amount of pleats, filtered some bad oil with some particles and testing things a little further.
The titles only suggests hype in the theory of it all without any actual conclusion on the topic. I hope to see more testing on this from you.
I can't picture Tokyo roki having built a factory in Indonesia, but am leaning towards they might be made by Sakura filters. They do quite a few aftermarket brands here in Australia and their own brand. I've used 100s of them and never had an issue and have cut a few open in the past for inspection.
Here in Sydney, Australia at my local Subaru service centre when I get the oil filter , it’s always been black over the years. Never seen the blue filters here 👍
I believe most of the blue filters were made in Mexico, so it would make sense you weren't getting them there. Not that they couldn't have used a different factory.
You are also ruled by the Japanese market over there, so very unsurprising facts are facts lol!
Not true blue.
Mr Subaru - How about a follow up on these new AA20A Indonesian filters? Have you installed any on customer’s vehicles? There are numerous reports from users and dealers about oil leaking around the base!
There is a lot of 'talk' about this on the internet. Any observations from Mr. Subaru and/or other knowledgeable people would be welcome.
Ive been using the Mobil1 M1-110 filter for years on my Subaru X2.5 for years and am extremely satisfied y with it. Great quality, a bit more pricey.
+1 to that. Been running M1-110 and 108. Just dont know if its running it at the OEM pressure spec or anything else but it has worked great for me. I still change it out every oil change.
Likewise. The Mobil1 M1-110 I've used exclusively! Just before and after a 9500 km trip in July. Works just fine and no oil comsumption on the entire trip.
Is my 2020 forester engine junk now? Ive just been using whatever my Subaru dealer installs?
Likely not if you’ve adhered to regular oil changes.
@@MrSubaru1387 I've been changing every 4,000 miles. Really sad this is even in doubt.
Sounds like the Mazda Dealer at $8 a copy sounds reasonable for my 2015 Outback.
So it would be ok to use both black filters on my 17 legacy
Absolutely
I have been using the Napa Platinum and so far so good. I have read good reviews on it.
I don’t know how I feel about the one made in Indonesia. I am gunna stick with the one made in Japan.
will that mazda filter he showed work on 2012 subaru outback 2.5l
Absolutely
@@MrSubaru1387 Thanks brother! I will run over to Joe Maus Mazda and pick up one this week.
Now this video explains why I rec'd a blank blue oil filter in June. Thanks for the heads up and comparison. Find your videos informative and valuable.
Love your videos! You helped me feel more confident picking up a 24 Crosstrek Sport. The only thing I’m still worried about is the infotainment since the climate controls are baked into the screen. There was a class action suit on the older infotainment setups being slow, laggy, or glitchy and makes me reconsider the longevity and reliability of the infotainment. Is this something you consider a problem for someone who wants to use their cars long term? Is there anything we can do to maintain or prevent issues?
You rock!!
Keep your hands clean before using the screen, don’t spray any harsh chemicals on the screen directly and keep it dry and clean at all times, use a sunshade in the hottest days of the year hope this helps
I have a 2024 Crosstrek Limited and I think the complaints about the infotainment system are overblown. I mastered the use of mine with little difficulty. I like it.
Any chance to a link to the bulletin so we can read it?
So what is Mr Subaru’s recommendation if you can’t source a black OEM or Mazda filter? Wix? Purolator? Thanks
Same thing I was wondering
you need to take out the filter media and actually calculate the area (square footage) to properly determine filtration effectiveness.
in a real word scenario the bypass valve should never be used in the first place since you should be changing out the oil filter at regular OCIs that are well before the filter media became so clogged that the filter bypass valve would need to be used. Plus, thinner “flimsier” bypass valve means easier actuation of the valve in case of blockages.
When my 2024 BRZ comes in I already confirmed with my dealer/service center; that I can supply the oil and filter for my oil changes. I am going with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Wix oil filters (which have been proven through testing to be amongst the best)
I used a wide variety of filters on my '96 Pathfinder.
Factory, A/C, Several Fram, Mobile-1, etc.
I used Mobile-1 oil first 100,000 miles, then Synthetic Blend after that.
Zero Oil Consumption, even after 200,000 miles.
I think the important part is that I CHANGED the oil EVERY 5,000 miles.
The anti-drain back valve DOES NOT STOP THE OIL from DRAINING out of these oil filters !!!!
Causing dry startups.
I suspect that’s why there is no oil pressure gauge in my car.
I have to thank you Subaru owners for keeping the official rx8 filter in production. It makes sourcing them very easy when I change the oil in my rx8.
Is the filter media the same?
Maybe take the media out of each filter, stretch it out, measure and compare the total area of each.
Interesting, I purchased an OE oil filter for my 08 OB yesterday from the local dealer and they gave me a US made blue filter. I wonder if they found an old case of them laying around since the last one they gave me was the unbranded blue filter.
Also I am starting to think Japanese companies are outsourcing to Indonesia. I bought a few NGK plugs ( which have always been Japanese made) for my lawn equipment last season and they were all made in Indonesia.
All of the ASEAN countries have a free trade agreement (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc). There are huge taxes (100%) on cars that are fully imported from Japan, so local assembly is essential. Where Toyota and Honda have their factories (and respectively Denso factories or engine factories making parts) in Thailand, Subaru's assembly factory is in Malaysia with parts and testing from Indonesia.
Ive gotten the black AA160 filters on eBay for a few years now for our '21 and '23 cars. They are the made in Japan type.
Only the Japanese ones should be black. It's a little deceptive to make these Indonesian ones in black as well. It's like an endorsed knock off. I'll stick with the Mazda filters. Thank you for that video long ago and this one.
Subaru started manufacturing the ones in Japan for the EJs.
Excelente información, very good information, congratulations 🇨🇱
Thanks for the video, I think the quality of the 15208AA20A is almost the same as the 160.
Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to more info on these new black filters. I'll keep pulling from my 160 stock for now. It'll be interesting to see if they keep shipping Foresters and other vehicles made in Japan with the 160s or the new Indonesian filter.
I just bought a new 24 forester sport and it came from the factory with the 160 filter.
@@mattsbrute thanks for the update. I suppose that will only last for another year or two as they move all US Forester and Forester hybrid production to Lafayette, Indiana.
Just purchased a 2024 Ascent Limited. Where can a get the part number for the black filter made in Japan?
They’re sold at the Subaru dealer parts counter now.
I just bought the Subaru branded oil filter from Walmart (part# 15208AA15A) and it comes in a completely different packaging than shown. It is the black filter stamped with "Made in Indonesia", has the "M" stamped on the top plate and cost $10.97 before tax.
My favorite filter currently is the “MicroGard Select” from Oreilly’s Auto Parts. Very solid construction and quality materials! Part # MSL57055 for our Subarus $10.99
interesting...57055 is the WIX number for our cars. So I would guess that the Microgard must be made by WIX.
@@jekern77yes it is! So their fine to use
Yes I’ve seen a ton of oil filters dissected and this MicroGard Select is just awesome all around for the price! I’m not sure if it’s made by Wix. Others have said it’s made by Premium Guard 🤷🏻 All I know is it’s made in Vietnam and like the build quality, materials used, & price.
Thanks for the great video. I bought an oil filter from my local dealer today. This filter is blue with NO Subaru markings. The only markings are on top of the filter. One P/N is 23103AB20:44 and the other is S0A6351520815 along with Made in USA. No plastic cover over the opening. Any thoughts on this filter.
I got the same filter from my dealer for my 2023 2.4L Outback XT. Installed it, and no leaks so far.
Thanks for the reply. If I have issues, can always get the mazda filter. The advantage of having the filter on top of the engine.@@douginNC28139
i also received one from my Canadian Dealer in August 2023. Went to the Wix dealer and got 3 57055XP and immediately swapped the blue one out for the WixXP. Just found out today that Subaru Canada is supplying the Indonesian 15208AA20A to their dealers.
Looks like Subaru Online Parts is shipping the 15208AA21A filter now. Apparently, it's a direct replacement for the 15208AA20A. I'm curious what changed.
I had a napa gold filter leak on my outback. The top was cut about 3-4 degrees from square. Napa gave me a new filter and an extra quart of oil for the trouble. Now I check them for square before installing.
good to know! (and they're suposedly made by Wix, so ... seems like a LOT of quality issues and supply chain issues these days still now. Autoline says that the supply chain has permanent damage possibly!
Totally appreciate your knowledge ive been watching your channel off & on. Not owning one.
Recently I pickedup on 2006 imperza 2.5i luv the seating and start also drive, has ralley race vibe aka ken block others. Handles curves great.
Question for my old Ej high miles is it Safe to use K&N or Mobil 1.
As alternative to newer Oem you mentioned.
I was about to go autozone or
Walmart buy that Blue can of Death you mentioned.
I think my Imperza has that blue can from Previous owner. Believe has to local ralley dirt events. More on that later when make a video.
I’m a little puzzled as to why Subaru feels the need to provide cost conscious filters to the US market, when Toyota doesn’t seem so concerned. The new filter does seem to be an improvement, though.
I work at Subaru in Jacksonville FL. We have the Tokyo Roki in stock and use them on my Subaru and I do mean the Japanese ones.
So I ordered the 15208AA20A for my 2024 Outback Wilderness… they Sent me 15208AA21A Elem CP filter… are these the same and compatible???
a new oil filter 15208AA21A is replacing 15208AA20A. Wondering if you were able to check t see if there are any improvements?
Best stay with Japanese filters... Indonesia isn't renowned for high quality workmanship..
FB20 FA20 engines (top mnt filter). use a filter with both an anti-siphon valve and anti-drainback valve...that are needed for upside down filters. Where is the Anti-syphon valve??
I’ve been using Purolator filters since the ‘80s without a single issue. And will continue to use.
It seems the larger Purolator ONE PL14460 for the old EJ18/EJ22 and non spiral exhaust cars is getting scarce and it makes me sad.
I have a hookup at my local Toyota dealer. I been using FRS filter for my FA20 WRX and Forester and now my XV Crosstrek. I havent had any issues at all.
Question… I’ve seen some people say that the Subaru design of having the filter up top of the engine allows oil to drain out of the filter even with anti-drain back filters. Thereby having gap in oil supply at startup for first 5-10 seconds. Therefore having premature wear over time due to this design. Is there any factual basis. I’ve also seen a company called Baxter Performance who can sell a Subaru anti drain adapter to solve this issue. Any truth to any of this??? Thank you
Great video! What's your thoughts on the Mobil 1 M1-108A filters ?
Purolator Boss filters are one of the best.
A follow up question, If I can still get the 15208AA160 filter, should I buy it rather than the 15208AA20A?
Great info as usual. Just watched a more comprehensive video comparing weights and media material and lengths ruclips.net/video/c_SNsyMjce8/видео.html , the differences are subtle and become a moot point if regular oil changes are done consistently with synthetic oil that meets or exceeds manufacturers ratings. Four Subaru's later and never had an issue using OEM filters, intervals of 5K miles / 8K km or less mileage and properly rated oil. BTW no issue with Costco oil once or ever.
I have owned multiple Forester XTs with FA20DIT motors and the dealership always provided the blue filters. Were they wrong?
Hello. Thank you for the video. Question, I’m new to changing oil, but will the AA 20 A filter work on a 2022 Subaru outback touring?
What about 15208AA15A oil filter. My car has 15208AA20A on it, the updated model. Is it ok to replace it with a 15? All I can find local!
i've a wrx 2011 (ej255). My mechanic puts a 15208AA160. This is a problem?
I had issues with the seals and several felt VERY VERY weak. Even had one start leaking from the side on one of mine
Can you please stop saying "Tokyo Roki".
The name is actually "Toyo Roki".
Source - I have a stack of Mazda RX-8 and Mazda CX-5 filters in my garage.
I would suspect and certainly hope that the Indonesian filters and the Japanese ones are targeting the same specifications and performance, and ideally the same filter media. The construction would have been adjusted for local component availability as well as the machinery the plant has. Not knowing the whole story, the new filters could even be produced by a partner or subcontractor.
Question. On one of your old oil filter videos you named a website to order the black filters off of. Whats was the name of the website?
Probably Amayama - that's where I get them.
Yup. Amayama.com
Ive always used Fram Force or Titanium part no ending in 7317. Only bacause 1) its included in an oil change bundle every month at Advance Auto and 2 my brothers Honda and my dads Acura use the same filter as well. Easy to remember.
Local Subaru dealership just got in a bunch of the Tokyo Roki filters that are marked with Made in Japan, clearly the real thing. Thankfully I watched this video earlier on, because once I realized what they had in stock, I bought 14 of them. They actually cost me less than the acdelco replacement filter, and it's still from the dealership. For clarification, these mine are the ones ending in AA100.
Had my 2017 Crosstrek serviced at local dealership. Black filter with 11 22 23 painted on top?
Are the springs inside the filter feeromagnetic? The reason I'm asking is because i want to place a circular magnet on top of the oil filter and I'm worried that the magnet may alter the spring intended function.
You can use the HOnda K 2.4L or J3.5L oil filters to replace it. They are interchangable as we do in Asia.
I ran the blue filter for 275k miles in my ‘10 OB with no issues.
right, so many people loosing sleep over a filter they throw away every 3-7k miles.
Nicely done! We just got our first shipment in today.
Nice!!
Why would you go to a Subaru Dealership to buy oil filters? What's wrong with the ones you get from Napa, Autozone, or O'Reilly auto part stores?
Napa gold on my 2018 Outback. No issues for far going on 89,000 miles. Switched to Napa gold around 66,000 miles. Runs great! Oil changes every 6,000 miles.
What would be the best one part number for a 2013 Impreza 2.0i?
They look just like honda filters. The blue honda A02 filter is junk, made by fram.
They have been using a Nissan oil filter in my car, they own a Nissan dealership that is right next-door.
You going to sell them
Likely adding them to my Amazon store soon. 👍🏻
some body enlighten me any car truck I have ever owned just went to the otto store and bought the oil filter that fit my car truck .What is all the cuffle?? Let me no. To me its just an oil filter plus I have never had engine troubles with off the shelf usually get 200 thousand miles out of all my cars.
Negative on the new Subaru filters ghost rider. I don’t want oil leaks.
So basically Honeywell took the Honda blue filter and slapped a Subaru name on it since Honda uses the same exact filter from Honeywell.