Are Car Dealership Oil Filters a RIP-OFF? (Engineer tested)
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2024
- We put OEM Oil filters to the test to find out which oil filter is best. We will send the OEM oil filters to the LAB to test their filtering performance, flow restriction and cut open oil filters in this OEM oil filter vs aftermarket showdown. Will the Toyota OEM oil filter be the best oil filter when compared to Ford Motorcraft Oil filter or will the AC Delco Oil filter take the lead?
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Great comparison however there is an issue. You apparently purchase your filters from amazon, a place Rife with counterfeit parts especially for brands like Toyota. I would like to see you retest the Toyota filter purchased directly from a dealer. Otherwise I'm quite skeptical of the results.
i was going to write this, then i found your comment. Totally agree.
If you’ve ever seen it inside of the Toyota filter, then you know that this is genuine. They are very uniquely built and designed. This is definitely a genuine filter. I’ve seen what the fake ones look like on the inside, and it’s almost never anything close to this.
Imagine trying to shill Toyota. If the filters are so bad, explain the 500k mile cars everywhere.
@@apex_gr Speaks to the build quality of their motors. Clearly there filters are lacking. This coming from someone currently running oem on Rx300 and Celica.
The test of "flow" doesn't mean shit tbh.@@Dansk55
Cool test. Your hard work is appreciated!
Thank you so much! Your support is greatly appreciated!
Awesome video, thank you guys for listening to your subscribers and doing an oem filter video! As a former maintenance technician of a Chevy dealership and a Toyota dealership, I can somewhat explain their reasoning of why they made their filters that way. Most AC Delco filters that I cut open actually do have a bypass valve. The PF53 is one of the very few filters that do not come with a bypass valve because the majority of vehicles they are installed on have a bypass valve internally in the oil filter housing where the filter attaches to the engine. As for the pitiful filtration quality but also the large contaminate capacity of the Toyota filter, it’s because of filter longevity. Toyotas recommended service interval is 10,000 miles whereas GM and Ford and a few other brands recommend 5,000 miles (based on full-synthetic oil). Based on your tests, it’s clear that you can’t always have (in most cases) a filter that will hold a lot of particles and at the same time filter out really small ones such as 20 microns at a 99% efficiency. Purolator Boss and a couple others are the exception but we’re discussing oems. Anyway, that’s my take, keep up the good work!
Toyota may also be allowing for drivers who never change their oil, lol.
Actually, the PF53 shown does have a bypass valve. It's combined with the nitrile adbv and second set of central base plate holes (not shown) that act as bypass. It's what's known as a nitrile 'combo valve' and used on some Champ Labs made ACDelco filters not specified for GM vehicles.
@Mechazawa787 that is also a likely possibility lol
@@faxmen09 thanks for the info
@@d.vinny1997 You're welcome. I'll add, not a fan of combo valve. Much prefer separate mechanical bypass. All ACDelco for GM vehicles have separate dome bypass, for engines without block bypass.
Good video. Just so you know in more than a few GM applications the oil filter bypass valve is in the block just above oil filter.
That's a great point! Thank you so much for the info. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Very true, But in the case of the PF53 shown, it is spec'd for vehicles other than GM. And it does have a bypass, what's known as a "combo valve". Second set of central holes (not shown) in baseplate combine with nitrile adbv to also function as a bypass.
@@BrandRanks Many engines have a relief valve in the lubrication circuit. That was a glaring oversight.
*Most notably, for last 40-50 years is every Chevrolet engine using the 13/16" thread one-quart or two-quart spin-on filters. Bypass valve is in aluminum filter adaptor mount bolted into the block cavity. 1/2" brass pipe plug sealed with Loctite Red will truly give you full-flow filtering. Your oil pressure gauge informs you when it's filter change time. Cheers!*
Does this help explain their high prevalence of engine problems over the past several years?
Thank you for testing the Bosch filter! I've been using them forever. It's great to see that I might have to reconsider due to the build quality issues you've pointed out. I am so happy to see the filter I've commented on being brought to the show.
I can't imagine the amount of hours that goes into each one of these tests and then the video production. It is truly appreciated, thank you so much!
Not having a bypass valve in the filter isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm sure the GM vehicles that ACDelco filter is recommended for have the bypass valve integrated into the oil filter housing. In my opinion, that's the better design because I trust an OEM bypass valve that's part of the engine to not leak and to have the correct pressure setting much more than I trust whatever bypass valve is in the oil filter. Whip City Wrencher has shown that even premium filters can have significant leakage past the bypass valve.
Integrating the bypass valve into the engine instead of relying on the filter also eliminates the possibility of starving the engine of oil by using an incorrect, poorly designed, or defective oil filter.
Yeah, most of the new cartridge filters don't have one--its in the filter housing.
I'm sure this youtuber knows more then all the oem's combined. I doubt oem's cheap out on filters seeing how expensive engine warranty is for them
@@848evo4 To the best of my knowledge (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), there is no automotive engine in existence factory equipped with a full flow oil filter and no means of bypassing it if the pressure drop across the filter is too much. The risk of damaging the filter's media and/or starving the engine of oil would be way too high, especially since there are more than a few drivers out there who rev their engines high while still cold and/or go way too long between oil changes.
Not surprising that the ac Delco, doesn’t have a bypass valve because most GM vehicles have it built into the engine not the filter itself.
Yep, and thanks for saving me from making a longer comment! Long story short, there is no such thing as a modern vehicle without a bypass somewhere in the oil system.
I recently switched to the Motocraft filter after years of using more expensive oil filters after watching some other videos. I’m really glad you did this one. The biggest issue is I heard you could get my filter at Wally World a year ago for $4 and some change. Now it’s $8 and some change. For 4 bucks it’s an incredible value. It’s decent for $8. I recently switched from 5,000 mile oil change intervals to 3000 - 3500 OCI as I have a GDI Turbo and do mostly around town driving. Valvoline High Mileage full synthetic for the win for my go to oil sold at Walmart. Garage Box is $58 for 12 quarts. Ford Boss Me did a video with lab results and the Valvoline High Mileage had excellent numbers. Great video, thank you for your thorough testing!
I've used the motorcraft FL1A on different cars and trucks over the years. Same filter fits several different applications. I currently daily to work a 93 Ford ranger with 507,000+ miles and still rocking the original engine transmission and rear end! And always have used the FL1A filter with the only exception of if time for an oil change and the motorcraft filter wasn't available, which might of been just a handful of times. Take care of your vehicle and it'll take care of you! Ps, I always use Valvoline high mileage synthetic blend oil in the danger ranger! Lol
thank you for your amazing tests/work. its a game changer and an eye opener
Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel!
This is great, I ALWAYS worried about the resistance/restriction through the filter, something no-one ever talks about. Thank you so much for tackling this issue, specially since I typically use a brand mentioned here. A BIG thank you to you!
So glad that this was helpful and you enjoyed. Thank you for your support!
@@BrandRanks Of course. Thanks again!
Because your oil pressure light would come on and filters have bypass valves
@@butWhyDad A lot of them are just switches and are tuned for like 4 psi. More like you're engine is going to grenade light. Ofc some do have live pressure and level monitoring.
Not trying to be to nitpicky, but if you tested and AC Delco PF63,PF64,or PF66 are the current high use gm factory filters. You would be testing the newest technology filters.
ACDelco PF53 tested, not OEM for GM vehicles. Intended for other than GM. You are correct though, ACDelco ecores for GM vehicles is now use metal endcaps and have separate poppet dome bypass. The last when not for GM with block bypass.
@@faxmen09 yes Ac Delco is OE for gm vehicle filters. The PF53 is for older gm vehicles, but nothing current.
It would have been a better test, if it applied to current or nearly current vehicles.
@@briannelson2818 Well significantly older GM. But majority of other than GM. Would also have also been nice if BrandsRank correctly identified the PF53 as having a bypass. Which it does.
Great video! I can tell you're getting more comfortable and confident with each video.
The Toyota filter results are really interesting. I’d love to see a Toyota engineer explain the choices made there
Agreed!!! From our research many agree that their filters are subpar filtering particles. Thanks for watching!
Its funny when they took toyota one apart, they used the same filter as the cartridge design. That is why nothing was glued together. Just manufacturer one filter and use them in everything. Lol
My question is where the Toyota filter was sourced from. Word I've heard is that there a some counterfeits out there...
@@BrandRanks Where did you source the Toyota filter?
Car Care Nut recommends sticking with Toyota OEM filters.
The Bosch 3330 has been my go to filter for many years with no issues. I can’t find it anymore, so I’ve been using the Fram Ultra Synthetic XG3614. I have a Toyota Tacoma 4.0 V6 Trd sport that I bought brand new in 2007. It still runs great at 149,000 miles. I’m going to keep it forever. 🙂
Fram ultra always gets excellent reviews.
For my Lexus IS300 I use XG3600 instead of XG3614. Same thing but longer body, so in theory it should allow less restrictive flow and greater particle capacity. But we still need SOMEONE to prove this theory scientifically!
Fram is cardboard dude. That’s pretty bad
@@ez_556 we are talking about Fram Ultra, please check the fact first. No need thank you.
My 4.0 from my 4Runner has 250k on it. Motor and trans are still great but everything else is falling apart. All the bushings and ball joints and bearings are just about dead
I love your channel and your tests and have been waiting for this but can you please test a Kia/Hyundai filter, too (and maybe even Honda and Mopar)? I know the Kia/Hyundai filters are made by Mann-Hummel and they are very well-made, high-quality filters but would've loved to see them in this test. In a previous one, you did include a Mann filter, which did well overall, but I'm curious to see how the Kia-Hyundai would do. Your excellent and thorough testing would be very much appreciated by Kia/Hyundai owners. Thanks very much in advance.
Mann-Hummel makes Puralator, Mobil 1, Mann as well as Motorcraft. Wouldn't be surprised if they made AC Delco too.
I really appreciate this series of videos and the significant effort that obviously goes into them!
If I can make a suggestion, I think it would be better for the overall rankings to be based on absolute numbers in each category or a percentage of the best in each category rather than just the ranking. Sometimes the gap between, e.g., the 10th and 11th place is tiny (so the filters are functionally equivalent) and others where there's a huge delta between the two. It'd be especially awesome if you'd publish a Google Sheet or something similar that has all the numbers for people to adjust the weighting to their own preferences. Thanks again!
We appreciate you for watching and supporting the channel. That's great feedback, thank you so much for the recommendation. We are working on our website to publish the data, it's hard running YT and being full time engineers so appreciate the patience and your support.
I love these videos you’re doing great. can you please test the full lineup of Purolator filters I would love to see how they all do.
Great video! Hoping to see a Honda filter soon!
Curious to see the PLM A02 going against a Honda orange Fram. Good idea.
This makes you think of how great Toyota's engines are to last long with these horrible filtering, I've switched to Purolator Boss 5 years ago after knowing how terrible the filtering was on Toyota's filter. But I still think that shorter drain intervals are much more important than the type of filter.
Perfect! Just what I was waiting for. Thanks guys. More automotive parts tests please.
@Brand Ranks...
In a cold flow chart (final rankings) You are missing "15" and have 14 twice.
I like your tests. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for doing the dealership ones as requested 😂. Results were amazing.
Thank you so much for watching!
how does the pressure across the filters compare? does the difference in pressure affect the Variable Valve Timing that relies on oil pressure?
Earned a subscriber. Keep it up 💪🏽
So many know-it-alls in here and BITOG. Maybe they can do their own test but they won't. They rather use unfounded information to shoot down the tests being done here. Thank you for taking the time to do it! I look forward to future tests.
so in HVAC we sell high flow media style filters to residential customers. and the reason is other then the fact they are cheap, many customers are bad about replacing filters and the media style filters have a huge capacity that will allow lower restriction then the higher end filters. in other words it has a chance of surviving until there next service.
Great point! I bet oil filters are similar. Thanks for watching and sharing
Why not just sell regular filters. If they blow up their HVAC system that's more money for you. It is not even unethical.
@@user-rg9xd9mu5r that's not how it works. If they have service, that means everything is warranted. My furnace has 10years full unit replacement and 20yr in parts. Also lifetime hx replacements, it is stainless so it shouldn't be a problem. it'll cost them more money if my parts keep breaking.
I wonder if the Toyota filter was an actual genuine Toyota filter or a counterfeit part
If they have a setup like this then they for sure got a genuine filter
It's authentic. Same Toyota Thai Denso design seen many times in other dissections.
@@SerperiorGamingYou cannot make that assumption. The airline industry was recently stung with counterfeit parts on their jet engines (google "airline counterfeit parts"), this is the last place you would expect to see counterfeit parts. If they can get stung with something that expensive and critical, a youtube channel can certainly get stung with counterfeit oil filters.
I have reason to believe it is a knockoff. The link they provide to purchase the filter takes you to an Amazon vendor who has been accused of selling fake filters in the past. Additionally, the counterfeits look very similar in a video, but are different upon closer inspection.
interesting, hmmmm....?@@afellowinnewengland6142
Excellent video.
Is there a possibility that in the future you will also be able to test other filters?
Like for example Hengst, Mahle, Meyle, Filtron?
AC Delco doesn't have a bypass valve because the bypass valve is built into the actual engine/oil pump ... it doesn't need or requires it !
True in some cases for GM and others, but not here. The ACDelco PF53 shown does have a filter bypass, it's called a combo valve ie. nitrile adbv with second set of central holes in baseplate that serve the bypass function. BR missed it because he's obviously not familiar with Cham Labs ecore filter design that uses a combo valve as bypass.
Waiting to see the Kia/Hyundai OEM filter in test. Amazing Job ! 👏🏼
Thank you so much for your support and for watching!
@@BrandRanks Hoping its the 26300-35505 model as it's used along a LOT of models. It's definitely got a bypass on the bottom instead of the top and others that have taken them apart show they're very well made. They've almost doubled in price within the last year though (from $7-8 to $12-13) but prior to that seemed a great deal.
Awesome video!
Another great content. Is it possible to include a VIC oil filter to test in your next video
Great round up.
I think manufacturers must balance filtering performance versus flow. We could put 1 micron filters on engine's, but then the engine's would be oil starved. So there's a balance between allowing enough oil in to protect surfaces versus keeping wear material out of the oil that cause damage. There's a sweet spot somewhere I'm sure.
I was happy to see you suggest at the end that an explanation for the "capacity" results isn't that the filter is capturing that many particles but simply that your test is designed in such a way that there is just more stuff in suspension throughout the test rig. The filters with Higher "capacities" aren't holding all the material going into the test. It just takes that much material of the test dust to be introduced that the filters become clogged by a sufficient number of what sized particles are needed to clog them.
I don't think the capacity interpretation correctly attributes the observed volume of material to the filter "holding" all the material introduced.
I would submit that another interpretation is that lower filtering levels results in more material in circulation overall, even though "clogging" will occur later.
It seems like a better design would be to divert perhaps 20% of the oil to a very fine filter, and 80% through basically a screen, and then bypass both of those at high revs.
*You are on the right track. There indeed is a sweet spot. That is filtration catching any particle larger than the smallest lubricated, moving clearance. That dimension is a variable dependent upon designed or measured engine clearances, +/_ a measurement tolerance, which varies by engine family. For example, 0.002" main/rod bearing clearance is ~51 microns (51μ) pronounced mu. In practical terms any filter that catches 100% >50 microns is that sweet spot. I'm partial to a K&N spin-on and a CRP 400 mesh (40μ) filter inline to the oil cooler. Everything worthwhile knowing requires performing application-specific due diligence. The White Rabbit invites you to enter his domain, but bring your calculator... Cheers!*
I work at a car part store. The filters mechanics and dealers order from me cost $1.97ea. The one i put on my car is $22 with my discount. K&N and Amsoil are the best, mobile is good but not in cold weather or cars with scavenging problems(like subaru, bad bypass flow springs and low bypass flow). Fram XG is good but the PH and CH are garbage. Use MANN if euro. My company stopped doing business with bosche because counterfit parts were getting into our part stream (brakes and plugs).
By the way, great videos, keep it up!
Thank you so much for your support!
You did the k&n select. Will you add in the k&n performance gold please? That's what I'm running on my vehicle. Subscribed to hopefully see it in the next batch!
As someone else said Id also be interested in a cartridge filter video, so you would be comparing the actual filter and remove the variable of the different filter housings. or maybe I have no clue what im talking about. I think ill be using oem toyota filters in the winter and try out something like the purolator filter in the summer. I did notice that the paper filter in the toyota spin on filter shown was the same as the one i use in my cartridge filter corolla, so assuming there were no design flaws in the spin on filter design, ill have to shop around in the future for other brands. Thanks for the OEM video!
Yes, we may do a cartridge style oil filter video, definitely would require some modifications. Thank you so much for watching and supporting the channel.
Test all three Purolator filters!
Boss vs One vs standard
You guys are like a better version of Consumer Reports. Don't stop!
Would love to see you test filters from MAHLE, very informative videos keep it up 👍
Best filter comparison (side bye side) test to date!! I've used all but the Toyota. Thank you for sharing!!
Thank you so much for this comment. Means a lot to us! Glad you enjoyed!
Amazing!!!🎉 Looking forward to the test for the regular Wix filter.
thank you so much for supporting the channel! Yes, working on it!
Yeah that one will be interesting.
Yes, I’ve heard that the regular Wix filter has better filtration but lower capacity.
Thanks for doing this for us!
You are welcome! So glad you enjoyed. Thank you for your support
omfg yesss rigorously tested product review videos make my brain go BRRRRRR
Would you mind checking out Hyundai oil filters? They're apparently made by Mann & Hummel Korea and are supposed to be very high quality. On my specific Hyundai model, a '23 Elantra N, there's a rumor that running anything other than the factory oil filter can harm the engine due to lower flow rates from aftermarket filters. I've even been told that my warranty can be voided by using aftermarket options on my specific vehicle, which seems absurd to me.
Perfect timing. Was about to buy another Motorcraft filter but am going w a Purolater Boss because of your videos. Much appreciated. Subscribed!
Awesome! Glad it worked out. Thank you so much for watching. Appreciate your support.
Made by the same company.
@@Dave-in-MD Purolator is made by Mann+Hummel. They also make Wix filters.
@@TenB33rs And they also make Motorcraft.
@@Dave-in-MD Didn't know that. Thanks!!
I only use OEM Toyota filters in my 2014 Corolla S. Now I'm debating on going with Mobil 1. But this video made me rethink this 🤔
toyota is a highflow oil filter. it is able to last 10k miles and not restrict the motor. I think its a great filter.
Great video as always. I have been using AC Delco filters in my Buick, I see it's time to switch over to the Purolator Boss.
Thank you so much for your support! Glad you enjoyed
Just here to request cartridge filter testing as well, as more and more cars use them. Shouldn’t take too much modification to add the option. Although I am sure some donations would help.
Their going back, Toyota did.
Great test as usual. Any plans to test the Purolator One to see how it stacks up to the Boss?
How do they know if and/or when the bypass valves open up? Or what PSI they are supposed to open up at?
The motorcratt filter is made by purolaotor
@@01mustang05 *You have to dig for that spec. K&N is intensely adherent to OE specs. Even if you prefer other brands, K&N's filter catalog remains an excellent specs resource and always reports the bypass PSI spec. Plug in any oil filter PN onto their X-ref and see.*
So cool! I'd love to see a simple cheap filter comaprison like SCT/ japanparts/ nipparts or something similar :D the biggest issue is we are on a different market (I live in Central-Estern Europe). Thanks for the test!
can you test the effectiveness of NOS (new old stock) oil filters? I have a box of 1990s Honda filters so I wonder the shelf life they have.
Between your filter videos, and Project Farm's oil videos, I'm now using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil with a Purolator Boss filter. I just got a new 5.7 engine put into my 2005 Ram last year, and after finally getting it broke in I am now using this combination to keep it healthy.
Fun Fact; Purolator is the manufacturer of the replacement filters labeled Motorcraft for Ford!
@@bdaig12 Yes Motorcraft OEM filters are made by Purolator. ACDelco made by Cham Labs. Most Toyota OEM made by Denso in Thailand, same as shown.
@@bdaig12but the question is, are the made to the same specifications and materials? for example JL audio is made in china, but so is pyle audio, but with extremely different materials and specifications.
did u find a place where the purolator boss filter is cheaper? for example ive always used wix until these testing and its like $10 on rockauto, but purolator is $35 on amazon or parts store. not that its not worth it, just curious
@@Darkcruzer23look up on their official website they have a catalog of all the websites that sell their filters
Please do a Hyundai/Kia filter. They’ve attempted to deny engine warranties due to aftermarket oil filters being used. At my workplace, they’re the only brand that specifically gets fitted with an OE filter. It would be interesting to see if they’re actually using a high quality filter or if it’s just legal riff raff.
As a former hyundai tech, the filter being aftermarket shouldn’t have much bearing on warranty at all. Seems like theyre trying to give people a hard time. Some dealers try to help more than they try to screw ppl and vice versa. Oil change records holds far, far more weight than use of aftermarket filters. When I worked for independent shops, champs OF4459 was the equivalent of hyundai filters, so that’s a little surprising that your workplace only uses the genuine hyundai filters. Definitely nothing wrong with that tho.
@@yavz7565 yeah we used to use the equivalent Mobil filter and we ran into trouble while using it. This was several years ago and I was part time going to school during that time so I don’t remember the details but I do know it sounded like we weren’t the only ones and we’ve been staunch about it ever since. Admittedly, the OE filter does seem to be very good quality from the outside. Nice and heavy, good silicone seals/valve. Still curious.
Dealership will try everything to deny warranty..
Even though the agree.. they will try to sell you all the crap including tire rotation "Hyundai reccommend B.S"
If you were to sue em they will come back & say it was a misunderstanding with tech../ advisor..
If news goes viral then hyundai say.. customer had to contact coperate if they had any issue.. who would never respond till then.
Loads of B.S
@@alenmonsyedward7499 you’re right, and that’s actually a reason why I think direct-to-consumer dealerships might be better. More accountability, less finger pointing… you’d hope at least.
Hyundai/ Kia are a joke. I owned a Sorrento and they voided my warranty because when I dropped my car off it was 1 mile over the suggested interval 😂. I had so many problems with them and it turned out that they had to replace my engine 2 times due to a common sludge problem. Car only had 48k with 2 engine replacements. I have gone back to Honda/ Toyota cars. Since then I have had no problems with my cars. Good luck with those clowns.
If you are changing your oil and filter every 3000 miles then oil flow is more important then filtering, more flow less wear less wear means less filtering that is needed. Cold startups causes the most wear on engines so if you have a filter that flows more oil then then you have less wear. You can use a lower viscosity oil in the fall then go back to a higher viscosity oil in the spring.
Does restrictive filter like bosch will need special requirement? Like stronger oil pump or will it give the engine less oil circulation
Awesome video! Can you test the Nissan, Subaru and Mazda filters next?
So your saying Toyota has the best flow rate but worst filtering performance. Then why do there engines last so long?
There’s way more to the engine than the filter. Toyota engines are just so good, the filter doesn’t matter as much.
I heard someone talking on behalf of Toyota once. Don't think it was official but said that filtering is not as important as people think. That oil quality/spec and changing it at correct interval is much more important. Flow is also super important.
They're built with very tight tolerances, taking longer to be worn out compared to some others
@@Masterplan15their tolerance isn't any tighter lol
Because engines need good oil flow more than filtering out every particle.
I like all this detailed analysis, thumbs up! But how does small particle filtration, capacity, and flow rate equate to engine life? That's the REAL question! It seems to me like if you change your oil & filter regularly, then dirt holding capacity shouldn't be an issue. So then you get down to the question of what does your engine need more, higher flow rate or finer particle filtration? To answer that question, you have to consider whether the engine is subjected to more short trips, or long trips. To me it would seem like a higher cold flow rate would be more desirable for short trips, while particle filtration ability would be more desirable for highway driving (after the oil is warmed up.) So maybe your test results should be recategorized to help people decide what is the best filter for short and long trips. That would be useful information.
I completely agree with this.
Ill stick with the oem Toyota filter, which is made by Denso. Paying $5 for an oil filter at the dealer is fine by me. Considering the filter is made by a car manufacturer who makes engines that are known to last over 300 and 400K miles.
That was fun!!👍👌
Nice! Purolator Boss still rules!
indeed! Thanks for watching!
Yup that’s what I run in all my fleet and personal vehicles 👍😎🤘🏻
@@Chicagoguy1984same here, fellow Chicago guy
interesting post on a Toyota forum:
The oil filter bypass valve is in the oil filter for when the filter becomes blocked.
There is an oil pressure relief valve in the oil pump to limit the maximum oil pressure on cold starts so you don't blow the filter off the side of the engine.
Most if not all engines have an oil pressure relief built in, I remember even my 1600 VW Beetle had that back in the day.
yeah, so best filtering with worst flow isnt always the best, especially if its city car when oil cant get to oprating temp -> is running at high viscosity -> most of the oil is running through bypass unless you're running very easy on gas pedal...
@@TheKafel92 if you drive a city car and your car will nearly never get to operationg temp then you have other problems then a stronger or weaker filter :D
@@kuessebramaliterally most cars in europe
@@foxy126pl6that’s so sad poor cylinder walls 😂 but ig city people keep mechanics in business 😂
Hyundai dealerships are telling customers that if they use any other oil filter then the warranty on engine is void . 😮 . I use fully synthetic oil and a Hyundai oil filter . Every 6 months ... about 4,000 Klm
Great video! Would love to see a nissan oil filter comparison.
Curious what the Car Care Nut would say about this video?
I think he doesn’t care or he is too busy with his shop. But most Toyota vehicles can last really long time if you maintain them probably. How often you change your engine is more important than what brand of oil and filter you use (oil viscosity matter too). My Lexus has 230,000 miles but still runs like a charm😊😊
*Ahmed has intermittently covered TMC's long-interval and oil filter woes including sludge build-up damage, lousy ring design, stuck rings, etc.. Ahmed is the quintessential Toyota mechanic but no simp. When TMC f!'ksup he calls them out on it.*
I wonder how well the TRD version filters would perform compared to the standard toyota filter. They are priced high but maybe on par with the higher end aftermarket filters?
Believe they are made by Amsoil
@@HondaSolutions that would make sense, they make a great filter
Hmmmm.. i tought they were made by Champion Labs..
The Trd ones perform very well… They are made by champion labs (champion labs make some cheaper ones too, but it is their flagship line) it is the same or very similar filter as royal purple filters , amsoil oil filters, and the new Fram synthetic endurance filters. They are pretty much the best filters on the market that you could get. Worlds better than this.
Amsoil doesnt manufacture oil filters@@HondaSolutions
I didn't get to the last 3 videos untiI today, and feel like I have let you down! I'm sorry! Love the videos, but they didn't pop up in my subscriptions feed! Subscribed - All now, none of this "personalized" garbage that youtube defaults to. Anyway, great job! Love the videos! The frog tape works great. I get that some people think they need to talk with their hands, but your case study has *clearly proven* that all you have to be able to do is struggle to move them, and it's just as effective for allowing your mouth and brain to work in harmony (seriously, I do get it, my kids duct taped my wife to the bed one time). And you thought you were only doing research on oil filters!!
Gotta say, I am pretty impressed with the decision I made of using Mobil 1 filters, *and* you verified why Mann filters are so popular in Industrial Applications and European automotive applications, they are just better filters.
I knew nothing about the alternative bypass system, but where I live, that's a big deal. In the second week of January, I flew home to Edmonton from Toronto, and it was -50c when I landed. If you want to convert that to Fahrenheit, it's easy, because they are pretty much the same. It is indeed cold enough to carry propane in a bucket. Having a bypass that bypasses the filter media all together? A huge deal when the oil filter is a block of butter. While I am happy mobil1 was really good, the bypass valve is a clincher for me. When I was trying to start the car (it didn't I gave up and picked up the car at the airport 2 weeks later when the wife came back), I could visualize the filter media compacting and all of it being sent through the oil pump when the oil finally liquified. Lucky for me, I never got that far. Even luckier, my brothers truck was running and he picked me up in exchange for thawing out his drain pipes under his trailer. I did get home without having to stay 2 days in a hotel until it warmed up to -30, but I definitely got the $hitty end of the deal.
Super entertaining and informative videos. I expected more from Toyota with how awesome their RTV sealant is, but know I know for a *fact* that their filters do suck. It'll be Mann filters for me now, but still Mobil1 when I can't find them.
I'm not sure what's next from you, but oils are quite a hot topic, and still for the most part, severely misunderstood as to how they can be so different. Something I found very interesting was the difference in properties between Dexos oils, and not just dexos, but Dexos 1 and Dexos 2. There is a huge difference between the properties of these 2 oils. Dexos 1 has great lubricity properties which is needs due to it's lower viscosity, and is great for naturally aspirated engines, but dexos 2 is application-wise a completely different animal. In order to reduce the risk of LSPI and to manage the extreme temperatures, the anti friction properties are severely kneecaped, but if you don't drop out the additives that do that, your risk of detonation is significantly higher on a forced induction, (especially turbocharged) engine. There's a ton of science out there. And the marketing behind the dexos brand mark is pretty shady too. There are oils that meet or exceed Dexos standards, but companies like amsoil just flip them the bird because they don't want to pay the fee to have the mark. Another oil that doesn't have the mark but is superior is Pennzoil Platinum (unless they've caved an got the mark since I last looked). So I don't know where you are going next, but maybe that's an idea. Keep it up and thank you!
The oil filter for my BMW is a repackaged Mann+Hummel HU 816x. The exact same filter at the dealership is nearly double the price but it has fancy logos with holograms but the repackaged one has a a yellow and green box.
Can we do both super tech oil filters from Walmart?
Thanks for the suggestion and for watching
I'd bet good money they don't end up on the bottom of the chart at least
I strongly recommend a retest of the toyota filter. Did you try more then one? this just doesnt seem right. was this from the dealership, or was it from walmart?
As a dealership really hate this video
I was wondering if you could test Baldwin filters next and maybe their cheaper line, the Hastings line as well. Also maybe some of the other ones as well like Mopar filters, Pure One filters instead of just their Boss line, and maybe filters for actual Trucks or construction equipment. So possible take a look at filters from John Deere, Caterpillar, Case IH which is CNH filters, fleetguard, and Davco. Thank you
A super-low micron rating for engine filtering would not be good, especially down to from 1-5 as that could filter out the additive package. Very low micron ratings are for hydraulic applications, such as those with rams, or power steering as they don't need ingredients to combat by-products from combustion.
Additive molecules are measured in nanometers, so a 20-micron filter will never filter them out. Please don't say that additive packages are insoluble because they are. This is also the reason you can't get pure grade 4 full synthetic oil, as they all require some ester to act as a solvent.
Great video!! Wish you included the Honda filter since the same filter works for all Hondas except the S2000
Thank you so much and glad you enjoyed! Yeah we wished to include Honda unfortunately it requires a different thread for the rig and there is no cross reference to the filter we were using thus the comparison would not be fair. In order to compare Honda we need to re test all the other filters again with a comparable size to honda
@@BrandRanks You could test the Honda A02 against other 7317 equivalent filters like the Purolator PL14610 and others. Of course, it would require metric thread apparatus.
The A02 Honda Filter is made by Fram, it likely tests very similar to something like an extra guard or a tough guard.
@@robpottie662 Not according to the one known ISO 4548-12 (industry standard) testing data point of OEM filters sponsored by Amsoil. Showed the A02 to be ~66%@20um. Much less efficient than either EG or TG.
@@faxmen09 Being sponsored by Amsoil does introduce a little bias, but that is quite the interesting result. Canadian Tire in Canada sells the eg as a motomaster for $7.50, a Honda A02 is over $15 lol
Nice video but coming up with other things to test and new methodology to go along with it would be amazing. Here's a few ideas I have, engine coolant and brake fluid. Nobody ever tests those, you could be the first!
Great series! If you plan to do any more i would like to see a Castrol Premium Synthetic Oil Filter included
Castrol Premium filters are made by First Brands Group. They own the Fram & Luber Finer name. If you can find testing on their "Luber Finer" oil filters they are identical to a Castrol.
Could that have been a counterfeit Toyota filter that you bought from Amazon?
It can be hard to tell the fakes from the real thing.
I believe it to 100% genuine. Same Toyota OEM design seen many times in other dissections. Results align with ISO 4548-12 industry standard testing sponsored by Amsoil showing efficiency 55%@20um.
That and all the filters are different sizes from different engines made for different standards. A filter for a v8 isn't going to act the same as a filter for an inline 4. Test was flawed from the beginning
It's actually a legitimate Toyota oil filter. Toyota and other Japanese manufacturers have always specified maximum oil flow (minimal resistance) when working with the Japanese oil filter manufacturers (such as Tokyo Roki, Denso, etc..) always specified filter flow characteristics that would result in an average absolute (98.5%^) filtration hovering around 45 to 60 microns which many people nowadays assume will mean terrible engine wear & tear but that hasn't been the result as over many decades we've seen Toyota (and other Japanese brand) engines easily going 250,000 miles + using only OEM oil filters at that filtration rate. From my own experience with the Japanese vehicles I own, when I've switched from OEM Japanese oil filters (and their very lax filtration rate and low resistance) to aftermarket "high-end" oil filters that claim filtration rates 99% @ 20 microns (or lower) I many times end up with start-up chain noise and/or tapping. It does go away after a few minutes but it's non-existent with the OEM filters. I've also known many other owners of Japanese (and other) car brands who've wound up with prematurely worn or spun bearings, apparently caused by insufficient peak oil flow/pressure due to restrictive oil filters that added just enough extra restriction/resistance (in the name of higher filtration rates) in addition to momentary reduced flow at cold start-up, not because of the oil itself, but because of higher cold flow resistance. The combination of those two events OVER TIME can lead compromised oil flow at the most crucial times (even if 90% of the time they are sufficient) versus an OEM filter, even if it doesn't filter as well as an aftermarket "high-end" filter, the OEM filter does do exactly what the engine manufacturer wanted it to do, and that is prioritize oil flow over filtration rate or particle size. The millions of examples of cars that have gone over 250,000 + miles using exclusively OEM filters with no engine problems pretty much cleared up that question once and for all. OEM filters are fine, just change your oil religiously and more frequently that the manual states that you should. That in itself will have more of a positive impact on the longevity of your engine than second guessing the engine designers with which oil filter to use.
A lot of cars to today have electric oil pumps with variable displacement and pressure. Gone are the days of 25-35psi minimum oil pressure at idle and 10psi increase for every 1000rpms until hitting bypass. FOr instance the Toyota 2AZFE has a nominal oil pressure of 3psi at idle. The pressure and volume of oil displaced by the pump is so small that at idle the oil level witht he ending off and at idle are identical when mesured at the dipstick. When Amsoil first came out with their EA full flow line in early 2000's they had to pay out warranty claims on a lot of Toyota's with the 2AZFE. That filter was much more restrictive than the current Amsoil EA line. Prior to that Amsoil sold Wix's filters. I think BMW was the first with a variable volume and pressure electric oil pump. So yes I think Toyota has purposfully biased towards flow or filtration. If you look at a well maintained Toyota engine from I4 to V6, to V8 the UOA will always show single digit wear metals but the particle coult looks awful. The advent of low lead or lead free bearins that are far more durable and less enbedding that old school babbit like bearing materials has changed what is required in terms of filtration. Better materials, more uniform heat treatment and better surface finishes has also changed what one needs to filter to live a long life. CAFE tax system based on sorperate fleet average fuel ecconomy has changed the compromises an OEM is will to make change the rate of taxation by the US Goverment.
Electric oil pumps, that sounds like crap.
general motor engines have an oil bypass valve in the block casting that is bolted in, and can be removed for cleaning or replacement. this bypass valve is located in the center where the oil filter is screwed on, so an oil bypass valve located in the oil filter is not needed.
Would love to see a video that inuded the Hyundai OEM 26300-35504. Awesome videos!!
Why am I commenting before I'm watching the video?
Because I already know that this video is going to be awesome and well-made. 😁
Why am I answering before you finish the video?......Because you are awesome 👍
How much particulates were actually stuck in the Toyota filter, as opposed to how much remained circulating in the oil that bypassed the filter?
Unless you do oil changss every 20k miles, it doesn't matter and the toyota engines are designed for high flow.
My dad used to work for Baldwin filters. A lot of times they would use the same filter but paint different labels on the shell because they were the exact same specification.
Thanks for the excellent testing. Could you post the figures you obtained so we could understand how the numbers are quantified? Amsoil writes that small sized micron particles amount to a large amount of the wear. I don’t remember the size of the microns. Their by pass filter filters down to 1 micron if I remember correctly and even removes fuel dilution I think. Check out their info.
I have 2 Toyota Camrys. Honda CRV and Acura tsx
I noticed when using Toyota and Honda filters I have noticeably less start up clatter (especially in the Honda CRV) than with other filters.
I assume it has to do with high flow Getting the oil to where it needs to go.
This installment shows me that the high flow is also low efficiency particular removal Likely in these cases.
Is there any filters out there that have high flow and high filtration efficiency?
Or is high filtration efficiency really necessary?
My Toyotas last well over 300,000 miles without major engine issue
Both Honda and Toyota do so and design for those filters.
Can it be too much efficiency?
Are there any filters out there that have high efficiency and high flow.?
I need high flow for the CRV. Otherwise I get a lot of engine clatter at start up.
Indeed it very well be that it requires higher flow filters. In our rankings table you can see how each filter performs for cold and hot flow. The Purolator boss appeared to do pretty well both in filtration and flow restriction it might be worth a look at. Thank for watching!
Synthetic media has higher flow and higher filtering capabilities
per their test, if I'm reading correctly, Amsoil is better at Filtration, and better at Flow than the Fram equivalent (HONDA A02 oil filter).
the acdelco was intended for a vehicle with a bypass valve built into the filter housing. there is a reason that anyone with any filtration knowledge disregards your videos.
Thanks for the very interesting videos! Would you consider comparing a Wix to the entire Purolator product line (Purolator Tech, Purolator "red can", Purolator One & Boss)? Retesting the Boss would help validate the test methods too.
Nice test. The Toyota filtration results seem to be consistent with the 2011 Amsoil ISO test where it was only ~50% efficient at 20 microns. Toyota seems to think that more filtration is unnecessary
That is disappointing about the Toyota filter.
Indeed! Thanks for watching!
Why?
@@markosedlarik9553, I think they are fine. All these microscopic particles are in suspension anyway
I think the high flow for the toyota filter was intentional. As OEM's try to meet emissions requirements, Toyota has shyed away from making half-ass EV's & hybrids (ex: they didn't slap some hybrid powertrain on the 4runner as an option no one buys until redesign) to lower their average emissions across their offerings like others. I think they have done things like push the envelope with low-viscosity oils & trying to reduce operating losses in the powertrain at the cost of......well, we will find out in a few years.
They also position themselves in the market as very reliable, low cost of ownership, etc. So this manifests on the vehicles with things like smaller wheels & tires available (cheaper to replace), extended oil change intervals (less changes = cheaper), removing things like brake fluid+pad replacement intervals & changing to "as needed" in order to lower that cost of ownership stat.
Alot of these things (especially the oil change intervals, lower viscosity oil, full aluminum & plastic engines, vague recommendations on brake fluid) are concerning from both a longevity and a safety perspective.
I wonder if Toyota will begin to specify a different filter for their turbocharged vehicles. Running dirty oil through a 2004 toyota camry with their NA 4 cylinder that has 30 years of refinement is alot different than a 2024 GR Yaris running a ton of boost & SQUEEZEING THE LIFE out of a small engine from a power/displacement perspective. Pushing the ICE engine envelope as a whole.
Would be a shame for toyota to end up being too much subaru. Lol
Cool test. What's rarely discussed though is how much dust "actually" needs filtering from engine oil. Many modern OE air filters are 99+% efficient and prevent most wear-causing particles from entering the oil in the first place. Some fuel systems incorporate separate air filters to filter air that enters the fuel tank as fuel is withdrawn (in addition to fuel filters). Therefore given adequate air/fuel filter design, an OE may determine lower oil filter efficiency still provides adequate engine design life. Lots of high mileage Toyota's on the road.
Great video. Thank you. I have a suggestion for you. You should test the high end, reusable, aftermarket. Brands like Canton, K&P, Oberg, Clear View (crazy expensive), System 1, etc.
Thank you for watching and supporting the channel. Thanks for the recommendation!
Would love to see you guys compare Mazda OEM filters, especially for some of the newer Mazdas that will actually throw a CEL if you use almost any aftermarket oil filter.
It doesn't make sense that Toyota would be so poor. One wonders if it was just a bad sample. It would be interesting to see a test of several of the same kind of filters to measure consistency in manufacturing .
To whom do you send the tests to for particle testing?
Thank you for testing the Bosch Premium; looks like I will switch to Purolator Boss but the Purolator One has better filtering specs…😮 Please include the Purolator One filters next!
I'm so glad I came across this video. I use the exact same Toyota filter as shown in the test and was surprised that it came in last in regards to filtering. I already use Amsoil motor oil in my car and will be switching to Amsoil filters as well! Excellent presentation Brand Ranks, keep up the great work!
If you do oil changes every 5k miles, a high flow is better as the engine is designed for.
My 04 4runner v6 got 389k using oem filter and, mobile 1 full synthetic. There is a reason why the filter is designed to run on toyota engines.
What filter do you recommend for a car that is on the track for lapping days? I'm think the rank weighting would shift more for flow? I was thinking Purolator Boss or Mobil 1? Would be the best options. Thoughts anyone?
There is much missing from this conversation without actual oil flow rates in the intended applications. Does my 1ZZFE 1.8L I4 flow oil at even 3GPM? Remember, its entire oil capacity is 1G including the filter. When I bought it new in 2003 I used AC/Delco filters. They got hard to find so I switched to standard Purolators. They got stupidly priced so I went back to OEM. I've been using the same on my wife's 2009 2.4L Toyota. Both have well over a quarter million miles and run like new. Mine saw nothing but dino 5w30 for 200K miles. Then it got hard to find and priced higher than full synthetic. So it's been on Kirkland full synthetic for >60K miles. Hers takes 0w20 so it has seen nothing but synthetic but she didn't respect the 5K interval before we were together.
Maybe you could do oil filter challenge with the big filters for a diesel engine, Cummins, Duramax, Ford. Maybe Donaldson vs Fram and so on.
Super like the channel.