Sanding up to 3,000 grit?? Why?? I only sand to 600. Watch why.
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- In this video I demonstrate why I don’t sand above 600. Sanding over 1,000 grit only closes the pores and makes polishing more difficult. Polishing metal isn’t like polishing paint. But also polishing by machine is different than polishing and sanding by hand. When sanding and polishing by hand higher grits help a lot. Some hand polishes can take out 400-800 grit but likely higher is needed. Thank you to Keenan for helping with this video. Hope seeing this video helps you understand my sanding thoughts and process better.
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This is very interesting. I've had this problem and kept thinking that finer and finer sandpaper was the solution. Thank you very much for pointing this out.
Glad you found it helpful. Glad I could help.
Yep I had the same problem.i thought the same
So glad I stumbled across this video! Weird how things work but someone must of knew I was trying to restore my wheels. Lol, I've wasted a lot of time and sandpaper thinking the higher the better. It makes so much sense now that the higher the paper the more pores your closing. The compound has to have something to adhere too duh. Lol, I'm certainly subscribing to this guy!
Depending on what you're working on, I completely agree with you Evan. Good job buddy
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing I’ve been having the same issue. I used to do cut and polish paint, wheels, trim, headlights, do clear bra and do window tint for a living. Long story short rn I’m working on mirror polishing on knives and good lord I’ve been struggling making the process quicker. Harder with 60+ HRC materials, trying to take the stonewash off is the reason I even went to sand paper to begin with. I’ll have to try the 600 on a throw away. Diamond lapping compound is all I’ve found lately that’s been hard enough to really erase all the marks but that compound gets expensive
Thank you for all the educational information! I've been told wrong by a whole lot of guys that say the finer the paper the deeper the shine and I've wasted so much time with the black hayes and cloudy shine. Extremely helpful video!
No problem. Glad to have been some help. Thank you for watching and supporting. Just trying to get info out there.
This is interesting for sure.
I never realized that metal polishing worked that way.
The exact opposite of wet sanding and polishing paint.
Please keep the videos coming.
Will do! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Appreciate it.
1:35 “I don’t like using sandpaper with holes.....”.........because it robs my lungs of particulates that instead go into the attached vacuum cleaner.....cough....cough....cough
I've only gone up to 800 a couple times before I started to cut, i thought about trying a higher grit and after seeing this video I'm glad I stopped at 800, I was amazed at the fact I was able to make those tanks shine at all ( 20 to 25 years never been polished before and very rough) my customers were very happy and as surprised as I was
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I used 320 - 400 - 600 with wet dry paper. I screwed up with a fine brass brush doing paint removal and the 320 let me work those out with light elbow grease. Then the 400 then I ended with the 600 and fine emery cloth to get out hair line grit marks I made accidentally touching the paper. And then clear coated. My aluminum project turned out awesome with your grit advice. I believe I could of polished next and had nice clean good results but I had to finish up could not wait any longer for a kit. The alternate idea to polish came too late.
Hadn't I see this video prior starting my bicycle restoration project, I would have given up after first attempt. By following your brilliant video here, Evan, I was able to get nice mirror shine with less effort than I thought needed. Thank you, man! You deserve 1 million subscribers!
Thank you so much. I truly appreciate your kind words and I am happy to hear that you were able to get the results you were wanting.
You didn't start with 600 and go up on all of them. 3000 isn't gonna shine of it was never cut to begin with.
What do you mean? This video was made for the people that sand all the way to 3,000 and try to cut and can't find out why their stuff won't shine. Not sure what you meant.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing if you sand the same spot with all the different grits then your finished product will be different than your example. Your sanding different spots with each grit.
OMG!! Finally found answers! Great explanations and demonstration :)
Thank you so much for that video! Like many others in the comments below, I had this problem and I was also told the same about finer grit.
I make mirror finish custom built kitchen hoods, and I struggled like crazy with those foggy marks on my last project: reflection of the light on the big flat inclined surface make it appeared even worse : (
I'm looking forward for better results now knowing this! Very helpful!
You are welcome! I am so glad that this video was helpful. I appreciate you watching and let me know how it turned out.
Just found ur channel.....👍
Can I apply this video towards cleaning my aluminum rims off my Dually! Other than polishing in the military.....I have never polished a rim in my life.
As long as the rim isn't clear or plastic coated yes you can
One reason people sand w finer grit is bc unless you have a powerful poliser it is harder, and takes much longer, to polish out the 600/800/1000 grit marks!
Even with a slow speed polisher and good products it is easy to remove 600 grit sand scratches.
Not sure how I missed this vid, but this is one of your best sanding vids! I only polish my personal stuff, and I’ve spent all day before sanding one rim. Goes to show that finer isn’t always better. Thanks Evan!!
P.S. Buy your products from Evan, and you can follow along using exactly what he uses so there’s no surprises. I’ve learned what I know just from watching his vids. Pay attention, as it’s the small details that matter most, like using cotton terry, not microfiber. I polish my own, and the results speak for themselves.
Truly appreciate your support. Means a lot that you have supported the product business and this channel. Thank you for watching.
Thank you again, it means a lot.
It would really be helpful to know what grade aluminum that tank is. I work with marine grade 5052 and I suspect different alloys may have different properties.
This explains why EVERY time I've ever attempted to polish anything I've gotten garbage result. Days wasted on small projects like calipers and valve covers to end up with no shine. Thank you for the information!!! I'm going to give it another shot not going above 600.
Truly hope it helps. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
what if you're trying to remove scratches from glass? how fine would you sand up to before a final polish with cerium oxide?
I'm definitely no expert on glass. I wouldn't know where to begin. Sorry I can't help in this area. I know my metals but glass is outside of my scope. Thank you for the comment though.
I heard from another channel that depending on paint you use for example can spray paint a higher sand grit in needed for paint adhears better? Is this the case?
I'm sorry we don't do anything with paint. We only polish metal. We sand to polish not to paint. Sorry I have zero info in that department.
wouldn’t you be using a different compound for the higher grit though?
You can but the results will still be the same. The pores close up too much to allow any compound in.
Awesome info! So hey if someone has to hand polish, can you hand polish out 600 or 800grit within a reasonable amount of time or is that pretty much impossible?
You can with our Luhmi hand polish followed by the Time2Shine aluminum polish.
this is why i keep looking---i find someone who knows what they are doing--i been doing the 2000 like most people say with poor results--thank you so much--glad i found a pro--now i wont waste my time and get it right--thanks again
Happy to help! Thank you for watching, glad you found this helpful.
Is this for aluminum and steel? Or is this process the same with steel
I do the same process on both. But that is just me. To each their own way. But this is my way. Thanks for watching.
I just wanted to stop in a say how much this has helped me.. Im building a new snowmobile and was struggling polishing the new alum tunnel.. I even tried up to 5000.. lol.. after watching your video.... I now go straight to 800 grit sanding and only 800, then 2 cuts with orange buff/Brown and then right to white buff/purple for a near mirror finish..
Happy to hear this was helpful to you. Thank you for watching!
This not a criticism as your real world expertise is extremely valued. However, it has been my understanding that you should be wet sanding with any of these higher grits and you are dry sanding here. Do you think that wet sanding the higher grits would make a difference in how it finishes out or would you still run into the issue of the aluminum not accepting the polish?
I work in a polishing shop. I will test wet/dry sanding and see how that pans out.
Also, whenever we do higher grits we ALWAYS clean the surface after sanding as any particulates can mix with the grit of the rouge making all the effort for nothing.
Keep your work clean.
We have tried both wet and dry over the years and always end up with the same results.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing if the results are the same dry or wet, do pads hold up better to one or the other?
Had polished a set of new tanks in the past up that high, they looked milky, now I know why. Thanks! I wonder if cleaning with acid between passes would make a difference?
We tried that. Still didn't work any better.
Thanks for the info just bought a new set of rims love the design hate the color so plan on stripping paint and will sand them. Since they’re a brand new wheels would I still work my way up to 400 grit or can I start at 400?? Thanks for any info!
I've been polishing my cast aluminum Harley stuff the wrong way for years thank you for the tutorial. 👍
You bet, glad it helped you out.
Thanks Evan , You have the best channel for hands on advice , I have learnt so much about polishing and the products to use to get a top quality finish. 👍
Thank you. I am happy to hear that the videos are helpful. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Evan I used a rotary with a thousand grit and da thousand grit I found it works but definitely takes way longer to cut out 600 is definitely the sweet spot I rotary a tank but I found the higher you go past 600 it harder for the buff to cut
So many ways to polish. This is the best part. No right or wrong ways. If it shines its right... Thank you for watching and supporting.
Would this method work on motorcycle frames, metal or aluminum ,stop at 600 grit or go all the way to 2000 grit? Thanks
I stop at 400 or 600 on everything aluminum and stainless. Great question.
I try telling people the same thing. They act like they don't even speak english!
I get it. Now people can see it. Thanks for watching.
Wow Evan, and you just proved my theory wrong, because on cars the higher the grade the better the outcome, so thank you very very much for all the information. You are truly an inspiration
Thanks for watching.
I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate this explanation, I polish raised numbers and letters cast plaques, I bought a grinder /polisher all the airways and bars and always struggle, first I have tried using buffs but it's like polishing a rake with the raised letters pulling the compound off and building up on the plaque, I can eventually get a shine but then I have a massive mess of compound to clean off before I can paint the background. I then started to just sand from 80 to 5000 and then use a liquid such as white diamond or a wizards. I do achieve a shine but it has swirl marks I can't get rid of. I was polishing one last week and tried using my fine buff and compound to get rid of the swirl marks and ended up with a mess of smeared compound, your video here explains why. Do you have any suggestions that may help with my situation? Thanks
Evan,
That was a great explanation and the results speak for themselves. Thank you for taking time to film, edit and post this video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
I dont understand why closing the pores is a bad thing? Open pores absorb light (lass shine) and cosed pores reflect light (more shine) when you polish you are essentially melting the metal and filling the pores and thst is what produces the shine. I've never seen a polish that will take out sanding marks from 400 grit paper.
I found just the opposite in my study. I found that closed pores didn't reflect as much light. But that was just my studies here. To each their own. I can polish and have shown multiple videos polishing from 400 grit. We remove sanding scratches at 400 all the time. 25 years polishing and been doing this way for over 15 at minimum. I am not saying it is right. Just saying what I see while I am polishing and studying.
🎉you tell them brother I normally only go to 600 or 800 myself and get pretty decent results self taught and driver made I love my guys they're awesome I hear all the time someone saying I take it to 1,500 plus I'm like dude it's pointless there's no need for it it might buffing a little easier or faster but not by much
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Doesn't work for polycarbonate, doesn't?
Thank you very much for the video. I am very new to polishing. I polished my first wheel and it came out well, tried sanding the next one and I took it to 1,000 thinking the smoother the better. It came out with less shine then the first one. I was very confused but this video explains everything perfectly.
Glad this was helpful for you. I appreciating you watching and commenting.
Awesome video man! Was having problems polishing the lip on my wheels I was sanding up to 2000 before polishing! Sanded again at 600 and polished looks way better!
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching.
Holy shit 3000??? Lol.. you can hand polish from 2000.. lol.. I stop at 500 on thicker aluminium and 800 on thinner aluminium
Shoot I hand polish 600 or 800. Luhmi or my hand polish will take out 600 or 800. You have quickly become one of the best polishers I follow. Thanks for watching bud.
Thank you! I decided to undertake the polishing of my aluminum front door, which I thought would be a simple process with the right tools, and have spent the last week raging at the innefective mess I created and countless hours spent. Like others, the most popular videos on youtube involve using up to 5000 grit sandpaper and make the process look as easy as 1-2-3. I couldn't figure out why for the life of me, the whole thing started to look *worse* as I went up in grits. Then when it came time to polish, the black film was practically impossible to remove without the use of solvent and left bands of haze. It was maddening! I just went and knocked the whole thing back down with brown scotch-brite pads, proceeded straight to buffing, and wow!
Happy to hear that this was helpful to you and you were able to finish your project! Thank you for watching!
Does this theory work the same for sanding and polishing by hand? I’m trying to fix my wheels right now. I started wetsanding from 800 up to 3000 and polishing with sinister devils brew. And so far it’s coming out absolutely perfect
By hand is completely different. But I can hand polish 600.
WoW… this video saved me a lot of unnecessary work. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Great to hear!
I was watching a video on sharpening knives and 600 grit was the best and anything else wasnt needed and after seeing this i understand why, its the pores 😅 but in sharpening knives we also use chrome oxide to finish off the edge.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Might wanna be more specific on what you're using it on. People doing paint and taillights for example are completely different
I agree. I figured polishing the aluminum in the video people would understand but I see a lot of comments asking about paint. I think some didn't watch the entire video.
Hey there, I'm currently polishing an airstream and have done an initial cut with Brown tripoli and a red airway wheel using the Dewalt variable speed polisher. I then cleaned the surface with mineral spirits and changed to a coloring wheel and moved to a green moss compound, I noticed from certain angles and lighting, a brown haze develop after step 2. Is this something you've experienced before? and what can I do about this? ( I did not have to sand it)
Brown haze traditionally to me means burns but I’d need to see it.
Im glad i found this video. I sanded to 2k and couldnt get my exhaust to polish. Picking up 600 and gonna give ur another go
Glad this helped you out.
Hello.
Which grit should i use after first coat of paint and before second coat on metal grill? 400 or 600
No idea. We don't do paint. We just polish metal.
I’ve never gone up over 600 but when I polish without sanding it ends up looking like the white and messy junk from sanding 1000 and up
Exactly. Thanks for watching.
Awesome demonstration!! Almuminum I only go to 600 or maybe 800 but stainless steel you need to get up into the 1000’s to get that mirror finish
I get mirror finish on my stainless at 600 grit also. If you sand anything properly you should be able to buff out 600 grit scratches. But I've also been doing this 24 years. LOL Thank you for watching and commenting.
WILD....... GOOD TO KNOW
Thanks for watching.
Can you do polishing after sandblasting? I’m working on an aluminum boat so I don’t have a ton of material to work with
I personally won't polish anything sand blasted. Sandblasting makes a mess of aluminum..But just my opinion..
i think after sand to 3000 it must polish with white compound, green compound then red compound, [red compound is for jewelry things] after that just wipe it with microfiber the result really like a mirror, average liquid compound only works at 400-800,
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Also noticed as soon as he hits right around the 1000 mark the buffer tries to launch upward you can see the buffer move upward.
It just soaks up the rouge... Real grabby stuff.
Could you resand the 1000 with 400 then cut? Would that reverse the problem of clarity?
We tried that. The 3,000 wrecked the pores. I ended up sanding it down to 180 then back up to 600 to make it polishable again.Thanks for watching.
Very helpful! Thank you so much for sharing your hard earned experience. Im looking to get a buffing kit any suggestions?
Depends what you are looking to do but goshineon.com has a bunch of helpful kits that I put together to simplify the choices. We have small kits and big kits.
Do compound bars have a life span?
It's BECOUSE aluminum clogs your paper"
Very true.
What are your thoughts when It comes to sanding and buffing painted surfaces or clear coat that has orange peel?
I personally don't do paint. So I don't really have any kind of opinion on that matter. Sorry bud.
G'day Evan, as a guy down under, (so sadly, can't take one of your classes,) is there anyway you can show the pores? Love all your teaching, inspiring and educational. Would also love to know if using a slower speed buffer, say the 3000rpm, would the results be better or worse than this? Cheers.
Yes I found with slower speed it was even worse. Next time I meet with my metallurgist I will see if he is ok with me filming and showing the pores of the aluminum. Thanks for watching.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing that would be amazing. Love your work mate, (side note, just ordered some time to shine products from your Australian distributor, can't wait to try it out!)
It's crazy how much you can see that RPM dropping down as soon as it hits 1000 thing starts bogging down
Agreed. This was a pretty cool experiment to do. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing this, im going through this now while trying to do some tool restorations, its like pseudo science that goes against what we learned when younger... Not understanding why the metal is not doing what we want gets frustrating... learning alot from vids. Thanks. Why no hole sandpaper?
I love no hole sandpaper
Very helpful! Now I understand why some of the stuff I did didn’t come out well. Thanks!!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and commenting.
Very interesting experiment and I have a few theories:
1. The hardness of the metal/alloy matters - as we see in the video it works very well for aluminium but going higher in Stainless Steel helps a lot
2. I feel the grit used (rouge) works well for 600 but having a finer grit may have worked for 1000 and above . From a personal experience products like gords work well in clearing the haze
3.For this system I feel that 600 + rouge on airway buff works very well as demonstrated. Will a DA with Pad work better for 1000+ based on the grain direction?
Thank you for sharing! Appreciate you watching and commenting.
Evan only best
Thanks for watching.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing gracias 🙏 ustde
Absolute waste of time. Going to 3000 grit on aluminum compounds have grit also. For paint the finer the grit the better buff.
That's a fact.Thanks for watching.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing No problem. I enjoy videos that teach true facts.👍
Dang. That makes alot of since man. Ive done a good bit of toons on pontoons and wheels and i had to work more. Lol. Man. Ima test this out lol.
Thanks for watching.
Great video, I've had this problem before, now I know why , thank you
Thanks for watching.
Oops that's why! Got all the way to 1000 big mistake 600 now.
Thanks for watching.
I have been sanding bicycle parts with a bristle disc on a Drexel up to 2000 grit and had trouble getting the mirror finish first time i.stopped at 600 then went to pollish bam mirror finish thank you evan
Make that a dremel
Sometimes it just helps to know. Glad it worked. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment.
It looks like you weren't washing off the residue of the previous sand paper before moving onto the next - so by the time you reach 3000 all you've done is compound the residue of all the previous sanding into the surface - hence it's smooth but not shiny. I was surprised that you were dry sanding from 400 up anyway - I've seen people sanding with water or oil from 400 up with some great results but never dry - was there a reason for doing it dry?
Wow, I’ve really learnt something today!
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching.
Evan Thanks for the video, it really helps to know that info.
Glad to help and give back. Thank you for the support and the kind comment. I will continue to try to give my best when I can. If you ever have more questions hit me up.
Thanks. Very interesting.
I will try it on the aluminum.
Thank you for watching and I hope this video helped
Damn i think this might solve my problem. Ive been sanding up to 2000 and getting lots of haze. Is it possible to sand with these higher grits and go straight to yellow/green?
Appreciate the info...I was about to waste a bunch of time and money.
Happy to help! Thanks for watching.
I didn’t know sanding past 400 to polish aluminum was a thing. I’ve switched to plastic refinishing for past decade or more though. Plastic doesn’t sand as well as aluminum and typically must go to a 800 machine to buff it but some people want to go to 3000 or so. Anything over 1200-1500 doesn’t help .
What kind of sander is that? A DA or random orbital?
Random orbital.
99% of the stuff I polish I sand to 600. The 1% I go past 600 is stainless, I sand to 1500. After 1500 I do a 1 step with Renegade pink and yellow, if the customer wants to go further I will hit it with flannel and purple.
That is very good info, thank you. I’ve Been trying to find a good combo for stainless
Man truly appreciate your time. Have this exact problem was going to start sanding higher
You're actually kind of screwing yourself sanding that high on stainless stop at 400-600 the metal is too hard and you're not even doing anything with that sandpaper whether you believe it or not not to mention stainless requires a lot of heat you you're pretty much just taking your sandpaper and money and just throwing it out the window
@@markhutchinson8474 Absolutely not true. I have being using and teaching this method for 8 years. Polishers from around the world have contacted me for tips after seeing my stainless work and have adapted my methods. 100% have reached out after some trial and error to thank me for the advice, after the got the process dialed in they now save hours per project, some even days depending on size.
Just because my process doesn't work for you don't disregard it it as it works for hundreds of polishers around the world.
What you may not realize is I'm working on 1/8" mill finish rec tube that has to leave mirror finish. When I say mirror finish I mean better then chrome. I start with a 220 flap disc at 12,500 rpm, then rotory sand to 400. Then I step back to 220 da and work my way to 1500, after that it's a very quick 1 step for a perfect mirror finish.
Congratulations 8 years
What's the best place to purchase polishing supplies?
Goshineon.Com I sell what I use.
I work on real messed up aluminum I start with 220 then 400 after that 800, worst case scenario i start with 80 grit
To each their own way. That is what makes polishing great. There are so many ways to shine.
Yup! And I'm not saying the way I do it is the best way thats just how I've been taught, I'm still trying to perfect my craft so I'm always looking at how other people do it. You're a bad ass hope one day I could put out work just like you do
GREAT EXPERIMENT!
Always trust those who are covered in grime and grit.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
What about wet Sanding instead? And looks like 800 worked best after the first cut.
I really didn’t get what u tried to get?
My. Guess is u sand same spot gradually increasing the grit
Would the same still apply if you are polishing by hand after sanding with a da?
Is it stainless steel?
400 didnt work well for me... the pits were to deep n it took me 6 hours to do one tank... on my own ride...
Go lower to 320 don’t just stay on one grit paper then jump to 400
Your first grit of paper gets it smooth. Then every grit after makes it polishable. Start as low as you need to go to get it to go smooth. Then work up the grits to 600 then polishThanks for watching.
Thanks so much. Very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed itThanks for watching.
How come you prefer sand paper with no holes? This was a great video by the way, always learning somethin new from you!
Evan,... great feed!!!!
What you've shown is what, my dad taught me back in the late sixties & seventies, as I was elected to polish (by hand, using "Brite-Boy" [Ultra-Fine metal polish, using old tee-shirts; socks; and underwear]), my dad's custom fabrications, for the custom Harleys, he designed & built.
No matter the metal,... even by hand,... you can burnish the finish, as though you slapped-on tar.
You are the only one still saying the same thing (truth)...."sanding is NOT, polishing."
And, so many, just don't get it. They only want to cut corners, because they're, LAZY-ASHES!!!!
Keep speaking the truth.
Keep saying, what others don't, cause they're retards.
Much respect for you & your crew.
I'm, "X".....
.... and, I'm OUT!!!
-Mr. "X"
Thank you for watching. Truly appreciate your comment.
IS THAT A SMOKE ALARM IN THE BACKGROUND
Nope there wasn't a smoke alarm going off.
How does the full face work with a beard?
I would say it depends on the the length and fullness of the beard. You can tighten it down pretty well and it will seal good.
Awesome demonstration. Thanks for the tip!
Thanks for watching.
Can you sand then hand polish it and it look good?
If you are wanting to do this we have a product called LUHMI that allows to you hand polish out 600 grit. It is amazing. You can get it at www.goshineon.com
So what about for stainless..does that apply to stainless to?
thank you so much evan. I have tried with different machines and sanding and polishing materials on stainless steel and none of them worked in my case. Now i tried with your instructions in this video I've used 400,600,800 grit only and polished on 600 grit sanding it looks just perfect and 400,800 not that good as 600. Thanks again...🙏🙏🙏
Super happy this was helpful. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the tips and knowledge.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for taking the time to help others, this video helped me out today
Glad to help.Thanks for watching.
Best video on sanding metal I’ve watched. I watched from bell to bell. Thank You
Ahh...I see that yellow Kokeur tripoli in the background... my favorite stuff.
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Would this same process work on brass?
Whish I would've watched this before I bought all my sanding discs. I just bought up to 1500 grit for some wheels I'm going to be working on. Live and learn I guess lol.
I will be redoing some pieces of trim for my Bronco though, I took that to 3000 by hand and didn't think the shine and reflection are what it could be
Hope it worked well for you. Thank you for taking the time to comment.