This Famous Minecraft World Record Was FAKE All Along
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2023
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One of the most famous Minecraft speedruns ever has just been exposed as being faked. Thanks to @Crafterdark and @Eliotex for finally catching this cheater.
Original expose video: • NikocraftHD spliced hi...
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I can't believe someone cheated in Minecraft.
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Hope all is well for you and yours brother, stay safe and keep up the great work!!!!!!
Get a life
Grow a backbone
Grow a pair
'no one would even dream of cheating in minecraft' i see what you did there you absolute legend
love the shade
I immediately went to the comments to find this comment to 👍 it
Lol I went here to comment this
And funnily enough, Dream goes from Minecraft cheats to huge Minecraft social community drama in less than 2 years
(I'm not visiting those tweets, I first know the drama because of some videos about "Dream writing 40000 words of text regarding his drama on 1 thread" got randomly recommended in my homepage
lol actually it didn’t click with me until i saw this comment 😂
They should have an any cheat% where everyone is expected to cheat, but you get honourably removed if someone can prove you cheated. Would be a good training grounds for mods
If it weren't a training ground for both sides id say this is a pretty solid idea. *Edit. This was just a simple observation from someone not so invested. I'm not interested in being educated further thanks.
@@kingk3245 Mods almost always have the edge over cheaters when using known methods, cheaters only have an edge when pioneering a new method that the mods don't know how to detect. A cheat% category like the one being suggested is excellent for learning how to detect new cheating methods and keep ahead of crafty cheaters.
Would be funny if they post a legitimate run in it lol
@@JogVodka Would posting a legit run in a cheat category count as cheating?
@@wontorres Then you'll have to catch them and ban them
It'd be funny to get a compilation of "best/worst reasons cheaters got caught". Like, the cacti being taller than they should be is hilarious.
“He clearly cheated, he didn’t have coke and pizza which is standard practice for all speedrunners as established by top SMB1 runner Badabun”
Honorable mention of the worst and funniest reason a cheater cheated: bee boy simping over a lesbian who was already in a relationship
@@uranium54321lmao
@@celty228He was down stupendously
Minecraft cheater tier list incoming?
I love how the lack of audio was probably because he knew it wouldn't pass an audio spectrogram if he spliced it, yet he completely forgot that the world of minecraft moves with time as well.
That's like gearing up to fight a dragon, but then you slip and break your leg on a mopped floor.
I slipped and broke my leg on a mopped floor
why is a spectrogram used for that
@@IcedDoubleYT not sure if I understand the question, but if you're asking what a spectrograph is used for when in the context of catching cheaters, it's because it makes a visual representation of audio, so if someone takes two different clips and tries to put them together to make a new clip, the visual representation can show where the splicing happens even if the human ear cannot pick up on it. Dont know if I explained that well but i tried
@@sliggoomaster7213 i think that you explained that very well, they probably understood.
@@sliggoomaster7213 yah u did a good job
Thx for making clear Niko didnt confess to cheating right away.
When we confronted him with the evidence he still said that he didnt cheat, which was super confusing and I actually started to believe we made a mistake somewhere even though the evidence was 100% clear... So, I was actually a bit "happy" when he admitted to cheating all of his runs.
Cheers
How dare you, he was helping the comunnity. 😠
Haha, great job, cheaters need to be exposed and banned, other people deserve the spotlight.
Creating doubt in the evidence is part of the reason why cheaters deny it
always press x to doubt
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist4 wrong place dude
I also love that Karl added the part where he was like "I don't care anyway", just to make it extra clear that this person is very much a child mentally
It's honestly fascinating how once someone realizes one run has a cheated element in it, how clear that cheat can be seen in other videos
Me who see people on 2b2t got 1 shot by ender crystal while wearing full enchant diamon armor and see the intro gameplay breaking it in bare ass and still alive. - nani the fuk?
@@mentosvagabond Explosion damage is tied to your difficulty. In peaceful mode, you take 0 damage from explosions.
It's all about the lens you look through the video with. You could be looking *vaguely* "for evidence of cheating" but once you know exactly what you're looking for, you narrow down your focus into the small details and can identify them because you are expecting a certain something to pop up.
@@mentosvagabondthese are peaceful mode speedruns
Well at least this isn't another MC groomer vid...
Yet
A small correction: while Peaceful is a difficulty, Creative is a game mode, so you don't switch the game from Creative to Peaceful, you switch from Creative to Survival, while keeping Peaceful. The point still stands and works fine though, Saturation doesn't decrease in Creative.
Was a bit jarring when he first said that 😂
NEEEEEEEEEERD 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@sirvereeborington2065 Ok Sir Veree Borington
☝🤓
🤓🤓
At some point the best way to prevent cheating in speedruns will be to just have a team of mods over at your house watching you play.
This is called "tournament"
"No one would even 'Dream' of cheating in Minecraft" well played Karl, well played
But was it?
@@JD-mz1rl it was a reference to dream
He definitely speedran the obligatory Dream fiasco reference.
dream : 👁👄👁
Lol
at this point, it's a world record race to see who can stay the longest on the Minecraft speedrun record board without being caught cheating.
Yeah...
Illumina i think
Not really, the number of high profile cheaters is just because the game itself is so popular. When you have like 5 cheaters people who keep up through youtube are going to see them but not the hundreds of other people legitimately grinding their times down.
I am aware it's a joke btw just, some people actually think that.
@solsystem1342 naaa the community around the game is rotten. Half of yall are zombies who follow the jigging keys and the other half are cheaters holding the keys.
There is never a shortage of dishonest people. Karl you absolute legend, you will never run out of content.
"all the way back in 2019" gives me such deep psychic damage to remember it's been 4 years
The backpedaling after the fact is nearly identical with every cheater who "confesses." I'd like to see a compilation of Karl's cheatbusting vids, like each time one of them says "I really don't care," or "It was a demonstration" all in a row.
that's damage control, it's typical to see this example on people who screwed something up but they still have a chance to "save" something, instead of coming out clean with everything from the start, that way they don't have to genuinely apologyze because god forbit they feel like being weak on the internet
One you notice one layer of damage control, you are to assume this person will never be honest, only revealing exactly how much they believe will let them get away with everything else.
I do see some truth in those claims
A fake run that's people think is legit CAN inspire people to start speedrunning on their own and bring more attention to the community
Everything depends on the specific situations, but we are often too harsh on cheaters
Also, the fact that (insert any cheater) got away with it for so long is our fault because we didn't notice it
@@Xnoob545 too harsh on cheaters lol? you must be one yourself
Still nothing beats good old "arrogance and contempt" from the Doom community.
Regarding hunger mechanics:
Saturation is actually a second, invisible hunger bar that is consumed before the regular hunger bar; it's not actually time-based but instead action-based just like regular hunger.
Steak in particular, which is shown for the explanation, restores 8 hunger (4 shanks) and 12.8 saturation (6.4 invisible shanks).
The saturation bar empties in around the same time because in both cases the runner is sprint-jumping for maximum speed, which is particularly intensive and overshadows any other possible penalty.
For future videos, if this somehow comes up again, I'd suggest using the AppleSkin mod to show these normally-invisible values as a visual aid.
Small world!!
honestly the apple skin or apple core mods should already be vanilla. it’s so dam helpful
I'm not a speedrunner, so I don't know the standard of recording a speedrun; but how would the AppleSkin mod be installed/implemented if the runs submitted are only thru video evidence, and not any kind of recorded gameplay demo like in a source game? It would only show up clientside- so only if the original speedrunner had the mod installed... right?
@@oyah999 not sure what you mean exactly but the mod is client sided and it does show in gameplay recordings and screenshots if that’s what you may have meant
@@Zessionn What I mean is that the speedrunner would have to have the mod installed in order for the AppleSkin mod visual to be in the recording. Hexicube recommending Karl Jobst to install the mod wouldn't change anything since Karl isn't the person speedrunning (recording the original speedrun). If Hexicube wanted the AppleSkin mod visual to show up in Karl's videos, he would have to go to the source of the video - the speedrunners who recorded the vid in the first place (or the moderators who can demand the AppleSkin mod to be used).
(This is all with the assumption that the speedruns are reviewed with video evidence and not a demo like with source games.)
It sucks that cheating is so prevalent and there is so little that can really be done about it. Stuff like this would really discourage me if I was a speedrunner, to know I could reset thousands upon thousands of times and spend untold hours to achieve a leaderboard run meanwhile any number of asshats can come along and fake their way into top leaderboard spots, pushing legitimate runs down on the ladder. Props to all the legitimate runners who simply do what they do because they enjoy the challenge of it all rather than fame-seeking
This dude was playing chess so many dimensions ahead of everyone else, he thought someday he'd be praised as the "cheater" who made Minecraft speed running blow up to something big. His logic is flawless.
no he didn’t, he just made that up
There should be a new catagory called "Cheating", in which you are allowed to cheat but others have to prove how you were cheating to remove your score from the board. If no one is able to point out then your score remains on the board.
Then you would cheat by not cheating though... right? 😅
I have a better(?) idea.
Not an entire category, but something to be hold as an event by a person/sponsor, anyone can join and provide proofs, but the person with the most submitted proofs/one who managed to compile everything gets the prize
That sounds not too bad, I would have it be with cheating allowed but if someone catches you cheating it gives a score based on how major of cheats and quantity of cheats, most cheater score at the end of a season wins a prize.
@@DarkMagicianGirl0maybe they could have it so when the person submits it they have to show all the cheats they did to the mods?
That would be so cool but i would call it something like Magic records or something where people can sit back and enjoy the spectacle or they can grind away trying to figure out how the trick was accomplished and the performer would be just that, a performer, so they could enjoy being a magician rather than a cheater.
"I cheated for good"
These people are one of the worst.
There is no excuse. You cheated and you got caught.
And as always they apologize only for the fact that they got caught.
This guy would never come out after a long time and confess.
I have seen genuine cases of cheating with good intent. There was a famous one in academia a few years back where a professor was getting very concerned by the quality of papers being accepted by journals and blatantly faked some papers and once he got accepted came forwards to admit it to attempt to get an investigation into current proof standards.
I think that's the important thing with cheating 'for good'. Either you have to step forwards yourself or you'd better have someone in a position of authority aware of your intent in advance so they can vouch this was indeed the intent.
I do think there does need to be some official equivalent of 'Red Teaming' for speedrunning if just to keep the mods on their toes and thus keep them ahead of the cheaters.
@@erebusvonmori8050 We can all stop you right there with the conclusion that in this case of the video there was no excuse.
There are good cheaters. I rather take a blatantly obvious cheater that makes something good out of it then the spin bots or in general awful ones. There is many multiplayer games where known cheaters are allowed and liked. How? Well they do abuse it but not to the point of ruining it for everyone else. I have no good example to point to outside of admins etc 'cheating' to catch the scum. But I mean there is for example people in Arma2 or DayZ that make themselves unkillable in a role play way. And if someone talks shit or complain/try and kill them? Then they are going to abuse there cheating :) And no mercy if they find someone else cheating.
Like that kind of cheater not going out of there way to grief is nice if done right. When it is obvious and doing it in a fun way. There are admins being told about a cheater and ending up letting them keep playing. And becomes known on the server for it. I think it was someone playing as a item trader? So not being killed on sight as quite needed. Since no one trusted anyone the player trying have fun in there own way had to cheat just to make it work. Was more like a NPC for the server and had fun having god powers. And the server needed someone to stop the on sight no love shooting.
That is a good cheater. Did all kinds of things and only cheating like it was part of the experience. Let people kill him etc when it made sense. Made people far more likely to brake from kill on sight just hearing the cheaters voice. Made a huge difference when people dared to talk with others and feel safe with the cheater protecting them. Diffused toxic server behaviors and added to the experience by being a fair dick. Even got kidnapped and the hole server rushed to * the people taking him hostage. Even now the cheater was more then capable to fend for himself.
Teleported to places just to shit talk people being attacked. Scared the crap out of camping snipers ruining fun etc. Not a admin but agen like a NPC. Was braking all kinds of rules but still was liked enough to be allowed to stay even if really it should not be allowed on a 'serious' server. XD Agen 100% cheating since the admins where not going to brake the rules.
But the cheater did. And was loved for it. 100% not part of the server admins. It was just a cheater that did more good then bad.
Cheaters for good don't hide it.
@@alanwatts8239
That's not his point. He was answering about the generalization of there being "no good cheaters"
It’d be nice to go through submitted speedrun lists for MC with a conclusive spreadsheet of things explicitly indicating a run was cheating to look out for so more people could both learn about and participate in the community while also weeding out cheaters more effectively, and celebrating the achievements of speedrunners who haven’t hit #1 but are still massively impressive. I feel like it’ll always take a niche kind of person to catch a lot of the cheaters out there who are likely on the leaderboards given that it’s majorly the ones at the very top who gather scrutiny the large majority of the time from all I’ve seen
Fantastic work Karl, Ive always loved how even with all the facts pointing towards the obvious you take the time to explain each and every aspect to the fullest. You are quite an amazing storyteller, thank you for all the hard work and time you put into these videos:)
Karl jacobs
Imagine that one piece of evidence that your speedrun is fake is the speed at which cacti grow.
"*dies of The Slow*"
Well it was also the missing TNT which was way more obvious
That's some Monk-level of attention to detail.
I think its easier to see smaller things once you notice one thing is cheated. The problem is cheaters arent smart and dont learn from other exposed cheaters. You will be caught eventually so i guess enjoy the clout while you can
Imagine also, one of the pieces of evidence of your speedrun being fake is the speed in which clouds move.
I really appreciate how Karl always gives credit to the mods / community members who do the tedious work of catching the cheaters
pretty bad job, no?
Karl is an absolute legend, that's why
I feel like if we told 4chan about it, they’d even find the cheater’s home address 😂 what a scary site
I love Karl's videos not just because they're entertaining and informative but because he always gives credit to the people who made the discoveries.
Your minecraft coverages are always so damn good, I'm so glad you got interested in the game a couple years ago :3
0:27 "No one would even DREAM to cheat in Minecraft"
Ahhh I see what you did there lad
Lmaoo i had to look for a comment the second i heard it
@@Z0otedangelsame here
One day, Karl is just going to come out and reveal that all speed runs ever made were fakes.
Biggest Cheating Scandal in the Observable Universe
Bro I swear when I seen this I thought the same thing! 😆😆😆
"But runner shitbaby420 noticed something was off in everyone's speedruns, including his own..."
Yooo if every speedrun is fake then that means my 4 year run is the world record let's goooooo
speedruns*
"No one would ever DREAM of cheating in Minecraft" ba dum chhhh
I'm not super into speedrunning in general, but I'm going to keep watching your channel just because you always call me a legend at the beginning of the video. 10/10, great stuff, very uplifting.
And he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you absolute legends
Scooby-Doo. Nice 😊
You absolute Minecraft Legends
I'll see myself out
"i was doing it for the community! seize them officers!"
“Ruh-roh, Garl, run!”
Some thing inside of my wants to see what an A.I generated Skeptical Pickle would look like.
I love how "Karl Jobst will make a video about you!" can be both the biggest threat and the biggest praise at the same time in the gaming world.
Karl doesn't discriminate
It's a shame how gaming communities are so forgiving of cheaters nowerdays, as someone whose been playing something like Geometry Dash and Minecraft for over 8 years... seeing people skip progression for self-gain and attention leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and worst of all how people are so easily forgiving of this type of behaviour.
Thank you for covering these topics Karl. Been watching you for a long time and your content is as good as ever, keep up the good work!
Speedrun communities are small and people make a name for themselves, it makes sense that they would be lenient with people they like
This was fascinating. I absolutely love Minecraft, it is one of my all-time favorite games but I only knew about speed-runs maybe 2, 3 years ago. Something that always fascinates me with speedrun cheats is the effort of cheaters vs the effort of true speedrunners. What's funny is that sometimes they go thru so much BTS setup only to have the perfect speedrun to show them as the greatest player ever, rather than use that same time and effort to actually get good at the game and speedrun category you're attempting. Thanks for the video! Greatly enjoyed it!
I am baffled by these speedrunning cheaters even having watched every video Karl has made on them.
Right? I did plenty of cheating in single player games because I grew up when cheat codes were really common, but I've never even thought about doing it multiplayer or single player competitive. I honestly don't really get why people do it.
@@christopherhammond5142 clout
@@christopherhammond5142 Narcissism
@@christopherhammond5142for money
@@christopherhammond5142 good for you??
"No one would even Dreeeeeeam of cheating in minecraft; a game so sacred."
I was not prepared for that. Huge laugh.
It got me too lmao
I like the seemingly random arrow placement in the thumbmail. Turns out, these are significant pieces of evidence that is revealed later on in the video. Nice touch!
I'm glad you do go into such detail because for most people, these little things may be obvious. But my main consoles are nes, snes and n64... so minecraft nuances pass me by. It seems so disappointing for their community to be rife with cheaters, well done to all the mods and spotters...and of course to the minecraft legends who don't cheat. Great video Karl 👍
Faking a speedrun for a good cause? Yeah right… Whatever…
These cheaters just can’t help themselves huh? But at least we get some more Karl Jobst content. What an absolute legend!
I'm going to cheat my to the world record just so Karl can create new content for this legendary community. You're welcome!
You could argue that TASes effectively do it. The difference is that they're honest about it and don't even try to pass themselves off as normal speedruns.
@@angeldude101 just like minecraft speedruns that use calculators
@@moebino2685 Edit: I thought you were replying to something else.
-Same reason. Doing the calculation in an external tool that doesn't touch the game itself in real time is considered more acceptable that cutting footage out of the run or modifying the game itself, but in all 3 cases the desire is to reduce the effect of RNG.-
@@angeldude101 speedruns should be you and the game and your brain nothing more nothing less, if speedrunners want less RNG then they should play another game.
I love the broken record of of stories cheaters say every time they’re exposed. It’s always the same thing. You should do a video comparing the series of tweets cheaters put out when they’re exposed.
Yeah, I almost wish they'd go full Shakespeare on moderators' asses like that one legendary good old Doom cheater who after having been caught wrote a wall of text in response starting with: "You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt, a flood of accusations born from the poison of envy and smite of disrespect"... Just shows you that even cheaters can become absolute legends in their own way by doing something original and meme worthy.
It's narsistic behaviour, "If you are too stupid to not realize im cheating, then it's justified because if you weren't this stupid, you would know better"
And once they get caught they always potray themselves as someone who actually did the right thing.
they must embrace the jesus
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Don't apologise; the creator still receives a percentage for each view from a premium subscriber
im literally shivering right now. the thought that anyone would even dare to cheat in MINECRAFT of all things is just astounding to me. so ashamed of this community.
timbers = shivered
They wouldn't dream of it
Who is this "dare" now ? 🤔
calm down
Wait... The cheaters or the ped0s?!? 🤔🧐
No one would even DREAM of cheating in Minecraft... Well played, sir.
The only thing I blame the mods for is allowing one his runs even though it had broken rules. They never should of excused the rules for him..
Seriously. Verification rules exist for a reason. If you dont follow them, your run shouldnt be posted regardless of how popular the category is or who the runner is.
"I cheated 'cause the game needed more views, but instead of saying this after the 1st evidence I lied. Doesn't matter guys, I promise you I'm the good guy in all this"
Man I'm starting to believe Minecraft speedrunning is curse with cheaters. Who would have dreaaaamed about it, right?
This niko guy sure does sound like a swell guy, cheating like that "for the community". We should painstakingly build a gold statue in his honor🙂
And we should make it four cubes of solid gold atop a cube of obsidian.
Typical german behavior. Woke af
Don't give anyone ideas to capitalize on poor sportsmanship.
@@KevinKolpack And put it in front of the wrong name
Thanks for the video!
Btw small correction at 14:05: the strategy did actually exist at the time (tho it was pretty recent) but Niko didn't believe it was viable until I beat his ''wr'' with it by 7 seconds lol
Interesting because I checked your first pr after his ‘wr’ and you still didnt use it either (im basing this off memory at what I looked at). Were you influenced by Niko not using it? I think it was after your 1st pb after Niko’s wr that you got a run with it.
Just checked, and the reason I missed it is because you used the tnt on the last tower on your first pb after his WR, and not the first tower lol.
@@karljobst I used it in my 2nd best time which was a few days b4 niko's run. My first pb after his ''wr'' was a 2:52 (which I know now was actually a wr, thanks niko) where I did use it. Tho he might have not known about it or started splicing the run before he found out about it. When he was creating the world, if you look closely the dates dont match the day he posted the run. After I beat his run and I told him about it he was like ''on the same seed? thats insane'' and when he saw the run he commented on it saying he didnt think the strat was viable. The comment is still there if you wanna see it its on my 2:42 fwr
poor guy used cheats and still lost wr, what an irony
@@eraser0artem
Cheaters never win
4:52 the image quality just gave up
Guess now you could say he's Nikocraft sd lol
You're so good at narrating, explaining and exposing cheater dramas, that I need you to speak about Hans Niemann's CHESS scandal of last year, lol.
Ik it's not your area, but watching it with your voice and analysis would be entertaining. xD
I think it's about time to take another look at the current world records, because this is getting ridiculous.
The line between fact and fiction is becoming so vague. People are getting better at cheating by the week
"No one would ever DREAM of cheating in Minecraft; a game so sacred."
I see what you did there
immediately recognized what he meant in saying it that way lmao
That was a really quick upload, keep up the good work!
I really love your video. I am curious if there is a speedrun category that openly tweak rng and does splicing. Altho vanilla speedrun are still awesome, I would be curious to see that
Cheaters getting caught was the reason I got into watching speedrunning videos in the first place. I don’t like cheaters themselves but finding out how the cheaters got caught is the part that fascinates me. It opened me up to want to learn everything else about speed running.
At this point I am waiting for a video where Karl talks about the shocking new development in the Minecraft community. "After carefully looking through usual splicing points the moderators were shocked to find that the WR was, in fact, done legitimately. Community is in shock after learning that a popular Minecraft speedrunner didn't cheat any of his world records."
You're always telling us we're absolute legends, but I'm here to tell you you're an absolute legend Karl
The extra emphasis in “no one would even DREAM about cheating in minecraft” was not missed friend thank you for that
The worst part about frequent Karl uploads is that they always come out at 2 in the morning and I can never watch them in a timely manner
I was almost about to go to bed and he posts
The videos don't disappear.. watch whenever
Yeah, YT is not appointment only viewing.
Seeing as he is in the same timezone as me, this video was uploaded between 3-4pm, which is during work hours. I guess he could upload it in like 4-5 hours, but that would still only be 7am for you, and would mean he has to give up family time to do so.
@@InitialDreadlyIt makes no difference when we can all watch them at a time that's convenient to us.
If i had a nickel for everytime a well known speedrunner on minecraft was found to be cheating the entire time. I'd have enough to buy a subway sandwich.
Hahaha true
"I'd have enough to buy a subway sandwich" - The question is, why would you WANT to buy a Subway sandwich?
Extra meat and all
@@shawnryan1313 "Extra meat and all" - Extra meat? So 3 slices?
@@nomore6167 sandwich preferences
it always surprises me that there's enough of this type of thing in various speed/challenge running communities to make the very engaging videos you do so regularly. it's a shame. I'm glad you cover both the good and the bad sides of these communities
I have never played this game, I knew nothing about it before seeing it on one of your videos and it doesn't interest me to play or watch. However, your videos (this one included) are always so entertaining, fascinating, gripping and interesting. Well done and thank you.
It's really amazing how many stories I've heard of Minecraft speedrunners that have cheated. It's basically the first thing I think of whenever I hear or see Minecraft now lol
Let’s force the cheaters to forever play the figurine miningame in minish cap… FOREVER ;)
@@erlendvageskar3356 The definition of hell! D:
That rare moment when random red arrows pointing at nothing on a preview are not actually random and they do point at important things.
The people ability to spot these oddities in speedrun videos is mind blowing. Pro knows pro
best to get my speedrun info on video games thanks for this stay positive dude
At this point, I get more excited about who cheated than what new record gets broken.
It sucks how liars can delete comments calling out their BS in a video. Niko's fans will watch his apology video, see all the supportive comments, and then accept the apology at face value, never knowing that this guy is full of crap.
It's alright though they removed the dislike button so at least his feelings won't get hurt
@@s--b except they can still personally see the dislike counter, it's just to make misinformation harder to spot, God bless Google
I live for the drama of your videos. Thank you for always providing such amazing coverage and commentary Karl!
Lmfaooo, the intro was written so well. Thank you for that karl.
Feel like at this point I could speedrun Minecraft once and achieve the first genuine world record
Karl is an absolute legend. his goldeneye and perfect dark runs are beyond amazing. my closest friends think I'm amazing and then I show them his runs and they don't even believe it because they are so legendary
He cheated
@@Graterstuuf source?
@@DarkShadic9632 He is just making a joke. Seems like every speedrun is cheated these days.
@@Graterstuuf lol 😆 Karl cheated? he invented a few of the most perfect strategies for optimal runs with other speed runners back in the late 90s and throughout the 2000s
@@DarkShadic9632 he admitted it on he’s yt lol 😂 he really was a cheater himself
man, i can't imagine the agony of a speedrunner if they're unlucky enough to be super lucky and get one of those immensely rare chances and end up getting accused of cheating
bro the classic "i dont care about it anymore" response, its literally in every cheater confession.
4:00 I love how specific some speedrunning categories can be. It really shows how determined many people are to make things uniquely challenging. Too bad some people like to ruin that challenge for prestige
"How could anyone even *Dream* of cheating?"
I see what you did there.
😂
Sure you didn't just see one of the other comments pointing the exact same thing out?
@@moopflop8560 I didn't even see it when it happen. Shut it.
I always feel like Karl is doing some mind jedi stuff with his emphasis on “I WILL see you in the next video”. It works!
From watching this it makes me wonder on what other world record speedruns are fake or have been fake for years without anyone realizing it.
I cant help but get the feeling the game is no longer the speed run but seeing if you can get away with cheating it. The thrill from getting the perfect cheat is what people are after now.
there will always be a small group of people with no soul that are chasing that thrill in all facets of life.
It's the thrill of finally getting perfect RNG.
"I cheated, but it was for a good cause."
That's a new one for me.
At this point I think that the mods could deny any of niko’s runs while blindfolded
"I achieved what I wanted and moved on from the game. So I don't care what effects my actions had or will have on anyone else" - Great personality you have there. Do these people ever have any shred of honest competitiveness in them? Or is it always just greed and selfishness?
It's always interesting to me how for so many of these guys, so much of the damage to their reputation comes from how they react to these scandals, and not from the cheating itself. Riolu and Dream, for example. Just being upfront and honest and admitting to the damage you caused, and trying to make it right, does _so_ much more for your rep than trying to deny or downplay or reframe it.
**edit** I should probably clarify that I'm not _comparing_ Riolu vs Dream here; I'm saying this about _both_ of them. _Both_ dealt with the situation _terribly,_ and really f'ed up their community standing.
I think the smartest thing Dream ever did, was allow Karl to access all of the data needed to make a determination on whether his intent to cheat was that, or an actual mistake that he handled extremely poorly. It turned out to be the latter, and Dream's own ego and him manipulating half truths made him a whole lot harder to believe.
It also didn't help that he does not handle criticism very well, and while it makes sense in context due to Karl's last video on Dream in september of 2021, his enraged and highly toxic explosion towards the mod team turned public opinion against him very quickly.
@@ExarchGaming "It turned out to be the latter" Not so sure about that. With all the evidence that was given, it all came down to karl believing dream was being sincere. Not that anything proved otherwise. Really no game file or private conversation where you say "why would i lie to this person?" would definitively prove your intent.
Nah, cheaters are cheaters and usually lose all reputation they might have had.
I don't think it really makes a difference, at least not inside a given community - being caught as a cheater is usually a free pass to being persona non grata in a speedrunning community, whether you confess immediately upon accusation/evidence or resist it, and for the most part it seems like sites have moved toward just permabanning people universally (many places used to only do limited time bans but that's happened way less, especially in high profile cases.) After all, admitting to the fact that you did something wrong because you know you're screwed isn't really laudable, it just saves people time. Sometimes there are exceptions for the rare person that suddenly feels guilty and confesses on their own, but even in these cases the general reaction is "you shouldn't have done it in the first place."
It's one of those things that reputationally hangs over your head forever in the minds of a lot of people. Resisting it does dig you deeper, but it's like, by being known as a cheater you're already in a hole you probably won't climb out of. I can't think of too many people who have been proven/admitted to cheating but then were allowed back into the same speedrunning community, ever, really no matter the circumstances.
@@ExarchGaming Yeah, he totally forgot he was using a cheat program when going for world records. How gullible and naive can you be? "Oh, whoopsie daisy, totally forgot these programs were on here. teehee."
The smartest thing Dream ever did, was create an audience of preteens who will defend him like a Kpop Idol when anything negative gets said about him.
I appreciate the love karl shows us viewers it’s unique and refreshing together with my favorite content (speedrunnin) to watch
you're opening intro had me in stitches, "how could anyone DREAM of cheating in minecraft" 🤣
Whenever I watch these videos, I think about clowns. Always playing their little number games and revolving around people’s questions. “Oh, you’re really gonna lock yourselves in just to keep me out?” It’s chaos!
The clips of the old version of the dragon fight gave me nostalgia.
Always a treat to get two new KarJo vids in just a couple days.
The irony is that the hunger difference wouldn't have been an issue if he just waited a short bit before going into the end on the spliced video.
They deleted all their vids
Catching cheaters in speedrunning with skill of knowing a lot about the most of little details is one of my favorite ways of using that type of knowledge
Thank you Niko for giving Minecraft speedrunning the attention it deserves through your massive efforts.
Respect.
It's a joke, just like Niko.
i dont know about your abilitiy to realize the impact a 11 mio clicks video had on the impression of MC speedrunning but i think it might be as bad as your jokes
@@updatedotexe maybe you take jokes too seriously?
@@dopesickdog maybe you didnt understand what i wrote
@@updatedotexe Considering that the market was already there and was proven to be there by a legit runner several months BEFORE Niko's first video went up, I'd say that your ability to comprehend the situation is several grades worse than you assert that other guy's to be.
In case is still doesn't click - The market was shown to be there, a realization that likely caused Niko to try and capitalize on the whole thing and earn some easy attention and likely some money in the process.
@@OzixiThrill And Niko grabbed the market afterwards with his video and excellerated the process.. But it looks like your ability to comprehend that is several grades worse than you assert mine to be.
I find it incredibly ridiculous how easily some people believe that when somebody cheats in something so frivolous, and with such a clear and obvious malicious motive to be given, that it could possibly be for a good reason. I am not sure whether the people who believe cheaters instantly are just kids, or if they are so sheltered that they simply misunderstand. I find that to be one of the most interesting parts of these investigations you make.
Loyal minds are not easily swayed. It gives power to the corrupt, to the ones who like using the naive to their advantage.
Trust in intuitive good in man is an essential component of the value of society. If you are not ready to give up the value that society can work, you have to conceed a blind faith in your fellow man on several facets of behavior. Honor is one such facet.
@@dopaminecloud Trust in the intuitive good in man is not lost with the acceptance of there existing few malicious individuals within society. They prey upon blind, naive trust. It is wise to remain skeptical, I'd say.
@@dopaminecloud Honour is largely a myth
@@dopesickdog you're basically admitting you have no honor lol. i hate to break it to you, but honor isn't a "myth". there are many things i wouldn't do because of my honor, no matter how much money you paid me.. and i'm dirt poor.
If i ever got caught for cheating in Minecraft speedrunning id just simply say...
"Who gives a shit"
No further explanation required.
"No-one would even DREAM of cheating in Minecraft [...]"
I see what you did there.
One of my favorite things in the world is Karl Jobst's delivery of sarcasm. Absolute gold.
in the nick of time, karl jobst rescued me from having to fall asleep without a miscellaneous documentary in the background
I think the worst part about this was that it was not only cheated but faked.
Niko didn't even put in the effort to get good, he seemed to just want the attention.
It really sucks because while the more niche speedrunning categories are often less moderated, in my experience their individual communities are very passionate and resourceful, despite being small.
Sad to see this
Funny how he was so happy to confess AFTER he was caught.
I’m equal parts happy that these high-level cheaters are getting exposed to hell and back and remorseful that I wasn’t able to stay blissfully ignorant about these formerly legendary runs and runners. It seems like every few months now since MincrAvenger’s scandal that a major pillar of Minecraft speedrunning is ousted for cheating. I hope we’ve rooted most of them out by now, but I can’t help but feel like the smartest cheaters are still getting away with it. In time the community will develop the methods to catch almost all of them, I’m sure. I’m glad there’s so much more scrutiny nowadays
I never expected Minecrafters to check for the *movement of the hunger bar* of all things to figure out a splice. It's crazy how much they know about this game. I didn't know the hunger bar even moved.
Those kind of things are common checks for cheaters on other games.
LOVE this channel! keep up the good work!