For anyone still shopping, the 11.6" joying has buttons at the bottom of the screen. Just touch the bottom and a button bar pops up (and stays until hidden by swiping down). Bass controls are front and rear (that's why there are two sets of adjustments) - I have 6x9 in front doors that are wide open and boosted, and 5.25 in rear that are filtered at 60hz, for example. That little button for common apps can be turned off.
I’d like to see a comparison of a $500 unit vs a $500 unit. Someone dropping almost 1.5k isn’t the same person looking to spend around 500 just to upgrade. Also, this video didn’t get in depth too much. How’s the call quality on each? Customization. Crashes etc.
You can't compare a joying under $500 unit with another under $500 unit from a "known brand", because there isn't one. Or else Joying would win with a huge gap because under $500 "real brand" units don't have a display and so one.
@@michelwilms the only reason I haven’t pulled the trigger on one yet is because I’m undecided between the snapdragon processor with all screen or a physical button unit. But I will definitely be going with a joying
I've had 3 Joying units and would never go back to name brand units which are 3 times the price with less features and functionality. Not to mention you can order vehicle specific units from Joying which makes it truly plug and play, integrated steering wheel controls and you can install it yourself without any cutting or splicing.
I've had two Joying 10.1 units too and both of them failed. Which sucks because I really liked the units. It's just sad that the quality is crap. They are offering me a discount for a new one version 12 but I am very hesitant to buy anything from them again.
Yes, they are super easy to install. However, name brand units don't typically just stop working after a year. When I asked Joying about that on both units their reply was "We cannot tell you how long our units will last as they are not made with premium parts. We are in China and at that price point they cannot be made of quality. We are in business to make money"
You missed the main reason to buy the Joying (or other Android units) which is the incredible flexibility of operation with the apps from the Play store. Sound quality issues can be resolved with an external amp.
Nope. My joying crapped put. The rca output is 0V. The high output processing??? Won't even mess with it. I'm sending it back. I got the JVC comming this Friday. You get what you pay for.
Have that exact Joying unit connected to a JL Audio VX-1000/5i amplifier via SPDIF Optical cable. Speakers are Kicker snowman pods on my A-Pillars at the windshield facing driver\passenger. Front doors are Sony XS690-ES coaxials, rear doors are Sony XS650-ES coaxials. Sub box is sealed box with two Kicker 12" L7 Solo-baric's Using the JL Audio Tun App and just a quick basic setup (I have not played with the JL DSP settings at all yet, I have made no crossover or EQ changes yet) I only turned on the Optical inputs on the amplifier and let it rip. I wanted to get the feel for the system out of the box for a couple weeks before I start to tweak the VXi's DSP. Just the out of the box sound of the combo mentioned above already sounds impressive BEFORE tuning... All I can say is so far I am very impressed with the Joying unit. I have a Seicane Android deck in my last vehicle and the Seicane was riddled with low volume hiss and barely audible yet fully audible noises computer\data noises and hiss with the volume set at 0 or 1 This Joying unit has no such issues and when connected to the VX-1000/5i via optical when the volume on the deck is set at 0 or 1 there is dead silence, no noises hisses data stream noises etc it is literally like the deck and amp are both switched OFF. I'm not sure you mentioned that the Android deck is the ultimate in flexibility when it comes to apps etc... The Joying has both apple and android car-play solutions, but you really dont need them since the deck is an actual Android deck. Unfortunately one of the con's to the JVC type decks is that they are fully customized my the MFG and not open ended to do the things one's nerdy heart may desire where with the android OS it's cake to do whatever you want... install whatever you want.... I have already watched decrypted BlueRay movie .m2ts data streams as well as .MKV BlueRay video streams off a USB hard drive using VLC Media player installed on the deck to watch 1080P BluRay movies on the deck ;) There is just so much more you can do with an Android deck if you are a nerdy bastard like myself.
I own a joying unit and can attest its surprising performance. Although I do not have a $1.5k jvc unit to do a side by side comparison I can say that the joying at its price point is a good quality upgrade for older factory head units. I currently have it installed in my 2004 honda crv with a helix dsp pro mk2 with a helix m4 and ac 1.300 for the sub. I have 6.5” focal flax performance components upfront and coaxials in the rear. Im running a 11” focal sub in the back and sound is excellent though the helix mk2 using an optical cable. The optical port was one of the main features I was looking for. For me, this unit had everything I was looking for for far less than most all name brands and has delivered. I control audio volume through my helix director but did use a cheap bluetooth stick on remote without issue for the first 3 months.
I just got one of these 10.1 android head units and it blows my Pioneer out of the water and was less LOL. The name brands are kind of ripping us off now. The build quality is better now. The pioneer I have is a 2660NEX and it's super cheap and light feeling, the android head unit I have now is wayyyyyyy better.
If your main priority is sound quality and you absolutely need RCA's to your amplifier, you could alwasy add a mini-DSP. While the setup is a little more complex (particularly if you want to do proper tested EQ); it would allow you to send a digital signal from the Joying's Fibre-optic, to the Mini-DSP's DAC. Once configured right it would blow both head units away and your still in for less than 50% of the JVC's asking price.
I have the exact Joying unit featured in this video and I am feeding a JL Audio VX-1000/5i DSP amplifier that has optical input via the optical output on the Joying deck. There is not a spec of noise in any way... no deck generated noise, no ground loop or engine noise, no zero\low volume hiss... nothing. it is literally dead silent at no\low volume...
@@CozyKG sure is. but the jvc headunit is also around there. and you could absolutely go with a less expensive dsp-amp and achieve very very good results. headunits are just not really used or needed anymore to process sound. all you want is a perfectly clean left and right pre- or digital output to feed into a DSP. i use a $100 pioneer and feed into my dsp. works perfectly but im gonna buy a 7 inch joying for the optical output and carplay/androidauto.
This review did point some of the few issues that the android radios tend to have with the screen glare (they also tend to be worse with retaining fingerprints). Other than that, there seems to be absolutely no real reason to purchase a legacy brand head unit. I was worried about sound quality at the price point, but digital outs completely squash that concern. Since this video they have even gotten better like being instant on and having higher build quality. I was looking at car stereos in the $300-400 range and I couldn’t believe how uncompetitive the legacies are on all metrics. Seriously, the legacy brands might be better off just licensing and rebranding the android units as their own at this point. I’m vain enough to pay $50-100 extra for better anti-glare coating and the Kenwood/Sony/etc name but 2x the price for worse performance, features, and design is a no go.
@@JamesJimmyLett Id have to disagree. My car comes with a descent sound system and the joying made it sound better somehow in comparison to the stock radio. its been 2 years and the stock 2007 amp is still kicking without issues. installed a joying in my other car, and even my gf who is your average joe when it comes to music, said the music sounded more pleasing in my car than in her moms car. both cars are the exact same
that is a very interesting question to me as well because I plan on using mine in a complet kicker system nothing big kxa 800.1 and kxa400.4 and I hope I don't have to hear a bunch of shit but I'm also using a old Zapco board eq just to see how it does. oh and it should boost the signal of the joying.
Optical out from this exact Joying deck to my JL Audio VX-1000/5i DSP amplifier both units straight out of the box the only settings changed on the amplifier were to turn on the optical inputs as they are switched off within the amplifier by default. All I did was turn them on... It has been so far the most impressive straight out of the box sound I have ever heard without a single tweak yet. I have been driving with it for three weeks now to get a better fell for any tweaks I may want to make. Right out the box with default EQ and crossover settings on the amp this Joying unit sound better than my old car's system after days of tweaking... If you pair this specific Joying unit with a decent DSP\amplifier with digital input you will not be unhappy.... This was my biggest worry prior to purchase... So far I am amazed at the out of box results... Far better than I expected...
With so many cars needing an iDatatlink Maestro for installation I’m surprised more of these brown box radios haven’t incorporated it into their design. Once they do I feel it will be a closer comparison.
The exact Joying unit featured in this video I have installed in a 2020 Subaru Forester. No Maestro required hooked up the harness that I had Joying ship me for the Forester plugged it into the radio and into the car and done. Steering wheel controls work fine...
I have the joying in my clk, you can have the buttons along the bottom too default they only come on when headlights are on but in setting s you can set them to be on all the time
Joying (and ATOTO) offers a 4G LTE version that accepts a cell signal (you will need a separate data account with your provider to use this feature) and I currently have an ATOTO S8 unit with this and it's a game changer for me. I can't wait until they (ATOTO or other Chinese Android manufacturers) offer a 5G Cell signal version.
what he failed to mention is open source. downloading anything you want also jvc is what made me buy my first Joying the jvc crapped out 4 days after the warranty was over and jvc said that they were sorry. that's all they said. so I looked into a replacement and ran across Joying and I never looked back. I've had three so far one was in a 05 Escalade I sold the other two I still own. but I'm satisfied.
The current joyings boot up in like 2 seconds after you install them in the vehicle. They have a low power standby mode which results in a super fast boot time.
I have the joying 10.1 ultra 1280x800 android 10. Trying to update to android 12. One thing I know for sure is this Joying sound is amazing. Never heard such a clean sounding stereo. The screen pops. No glare problem. I have tinted windows. And it does anything a android phone would do via playstore. For the price joying all day. 2 year warranty. Got mine direct from China 2 day shipping.
That JVC seems like it would be a great option for a pickup. You could have cameras for rear, front, in bed, and possibly a trailer camera hookup. That would be nice!
This video was kinda crap when skimming over the features of the Joying. The flag ship Joyings have 2 cameras, front and rear, but the new ones have 360° view.
Well when I used to sell car audio the markup was 60 to 70 percent on the name brands just so you know! Its time people demanded more functionality and usability from this technology and got what its worth from it there's no reason for example CarPlay can't be wireless on all head-units as the work is all done on the phone. why do the name brand charge double for that? Because they can.
not to mention the name brand such as kenwood, JVC, pioneer etc. cannot actually use GPS by themselves, they require a phone and use android auto / apple carplay, whereas you can use google maps, independent of your phone, on the joying. the name brand units are basically just casting screens for your phone.
@@Murtagh653 My Atoto S8 ultra has been working great for the last 6 months or so got it with dash cam backup cam and OB2 dongle for Torque and sounds way better the the JVC that was there before!
The android units to me either target something looking for more for less aka cheaper unit with a lot of flexibility or to the more diy car audio type. The digital out alone is something we don't see because none of the domestic brands can put it in 1k+ units like Sony has in the GS9 and have a huge markup. Enormous numbers of android units have them and are fairly cheap. The software platform with android is just going to always be light years ahead of any closed system that the domestic brands run. I believe in less than 5 years we will see chinese units likely surpass the major brands and force them to either actually provide much more serious value or get beat. You can literally do everything on an android with no need for a phone at all including putting a cellular chip on it.
As someone who does 3-5 1500 Mile round trips a year with 2 little kids, the Alpine radios with the HDMI input and Output is worth the double the cost of the Joying.
Nice comparison. How about joying vs BOSS? I don't drive my car that much. I couldn't justify spending that much for a radio. I think i would stick with something like the Joying or a BOSS floating screen and get a speakers and amp. With install i think it still comes out cheaper then the JVC 😂 Or maybe buy myself a 70 inch 4k tv. But the unit is pretty cool.
One unit I literally bought, had it for a while, then got rid of it. The other came in my Truck when I bought it, and could not wait to replace it. I didn't even try to sell it, threw that POS right in the garbage. I have had all high end name brands all my life (53yrs) in audio, Alpine, Kenwood, JVC, PIONEER,, Clarion, bought my first Joying back in 2013 and I can Honestly say I will never, ever, buy another Name brand unit again. This video was super Bias and skimes or skipped over everything that makes then so great. His biggest complaint was no physical buttons, but didn't even know that there is a pop up menu at the bottom of the screen with Volume, forward, reverse, home, etc, just like a hidden physical button. Smh Skipped over some of the important details of the EQ, like Q settings that make that thing sound Unbelievable! And glides over the 2v 6v rca comparison, but didn't actually test the RCAs for clipping... The Joying has zero clipping at full volume, the JVC starts clipping at 88% volume. The screen! Lmao, the JVC dims their screen so it looks more deep, but it's literally darker, so you miss most of what you should see, and the resolution isn't even comparable. There is adjustment on the Joying to your taste. The one he compair I can see the Contrast, Hugh, brightness is set high for what ever environment. The new units have a coating for glair because of the American complains, where as everyone else just uses a screen protector that does this for you anyway.
Theres 2 adjustments for front stage and rear stage on the joying headunit. When it comes to picture quality like I see again there's pixelation coming from the jvc when there's none coming from the joying, when it comes to stock apps and apps you can download you can use other apps to play movies that can give you better video quality. When it comes to the joying brand like several other Android head unit brands they have many screen sizes and some do come with volume buttons and like the one I have actually comes with on screen volume buttons, your getting more bang for your buck when it comes down to it. Those who call Android radios trash either never had one or bought one for 200 and below.
I watch decrypted BluRay .m2ts streams as well as .MKV streams at 1080P via 800GB USB hard drive and VLC media player on the exact Joying unit in this video. It's PERFECT... never any issues watching BluRay movies at 1080P on the Joying...
i have both units, well the kenwood version of the jvc i enjoy the android more since im an android user once i link my google account everything on my phone is on my android radio, wifi connect and able to download app able to play my favorite youtube playlist or watch movie on amazon prime,hbo max and disney plus waze and google maps is a huge plus,i got 2011 camry with jbl and all i need is the adapter for vehicles with amp. i have the 4 camera model with 64 eq which you fine tune the audio to match your listening preferences you can dowload eq apps too, video quality wasnt my concern if you live in climates where theres snow the android screen will have shadow effects due to the cold till the cabin warms up
Optical output is far superior. Anyone who installs car stereos can tell you that RCA can pick up noise and why would you run 6 RCA vs One Optical or one Digital Coax. We got to get out of the audio stone age. Digital all the way. Joying all the way. Connect it to an Audio Control Dm-608 DSP or a JL audio VX1000/5i which is an amp with an Optical input. Perfectly clean sound into your amp or DSP and then you can fully adjust crossover settings and RTA settings.
It was over when i noticed the Joying had an optical out . Joying optical out into a mini DSP is the only way to go for the best sound quality nothing else comes close.
YEP! Optical out and more flexibility via Android at half to a third of the price of the big names in car audio... that's all it took for me to take a chance with Joying and three days ago I ordered the newest 15 inch Joying rotatable display unit so I can move my first one (featured in this video) to my older vehicle and put the new 15 inch on my newer vehicle. I will not even consider a Big name Car Audio head unit purchase again until they have something to compete head to head that is an Android deck.
Sir, thank you for the video … Can I ask a technical question . assuming I can … can we route the optical out from the hard unit to a DAC and from DAC to DSP -AMP -Speakers… Is it technically possible and an efficient way to get best out of an audio source ? … please respond..
Well most ppl that buy the newer joying radios buy them because they have the Optical out 😂 I got a Helix dsp 3 and it got a optical in, so it’s perfect!
I heard the optical and spdif exits are very popular in combination with the joying because the normal line and amplified speaker outputs don't have good sound quality. You can't fuck up sound quality when the signal is digital,so that's a great choice together with a spdif or optical capable amp, DSP or combined with a converter box.
My Unit, like the one he compaired tested at just over 2v and zero clipping from the RCAs. My newest Snapdragon unit tests at 6v and zero clipping at full volume. My JVC, Pioneer, and Kenwood, which aren't really new units, but considered top of the line at the time, all test at 2v, but every one of them clip at about 85 to 90 percent volume. So is it really that bad? My unit that I have in my truck is so clean sounding, and with the DSP, tuning is awesome, but this new Snapdragon unit, I am totally Blown the Fuck away. The EQ has 3 levels to from easy to complicated. Meaning in the I can adjust the EQ per each channel individually, or by front, rear, center and sub. BTW it has a center channel, and 5.1 dts surround. The EQ is now parametric and graphic EQ like his complaint it didn't have before. The DSP is very in depth.
I’ve been looking at stereo vids for a couple of days now. Really like the look of the Android head units. One thing I never see (and can’t find info on) is AM/FM reception (dBf). I mostly listen to Sirius/Pandora/TuneIn but there are times when I actually enjoy terrestrial radio. The aftermarket units I’ve tried (Pioneer, Jensen, and JVC) have all SUCKED in comparison to the stock radio. It’s actually annoying enough that I have pulled the aftermarket radios and put in the original just to get better reception. 😢
ha ha ha me too.. I literally bought this unit as one of the strongest features was the Optical out... I put mine directly into the JL Audio VX 1000/5i DSP amplifier! It's been a dream come true so far!!!!! Been looking for this ability for 15 plus years wondering why it was never done before!!!! Biggest selling point in my newly installed system!
My 6+ year old Joying developed a touch screen issue, so I'm looking at replacements. The only reason I'm even looking at other units is that none of the Android head units have HD Radio support. But other than HD Radio, Joying seems to beat most everything else available looking at price and features. And, there are many Joying models with different screen sizes and choice of physical buttons or not. Many more reasonably priced non-Android radios don't have HD Radio either.
I'm sure you bought it at have the price of the competition. Easy excuse to simply replace it with a newer android 10 with physical controls built for your specific car.
Question.. Just how "bad" is the screen glare? A couple years ago I put a Hikity 10.1 Android Car Stereo Double Din 10.1 Inch Touch Screen Car Radio GPS Navigation Bluetooth FM Radio Support WiFi Mirror Link for Android/iOS Phone + Dual USB Input & 12 LEDs Backup Camera in a Ford Transit Connect. There were essentially NO glare issues.
Hey bro i have the joying and i have the jvc, the joying bass enhancements is not 2 of them, the one on the top is for mid bass and the bottom is only for the sub
I know this is an old video, but I would go with the joying beause I wouldn't use any of the features on the Joying but the Optical output because I have Audiocontrol Processor. And I would also use it for the SIM CARD input for self wifi.
I had a lower end model $150 bucks only 2G of Ram. It was slow for obvious reasons. It was ok, but you needed a wire harness to connect it. Joying, is plug-n-play. Just installed my Joying 10.1 6gb of ram yesterday 1/11/21. It’s perfect for me. Drastically improved the stock speaker sound. Just waiting on a sim adapter for wifi so i don’t have to tether. Also my Atoto never saved my eq settings, had to adjust each time i restarted car. Don’t know why.
Optical Bonding Technology .... I think it is what is actually called fully laminated screen or one glass solution, still very very reflective display. So far the best commercially available technology is still matte diffusive layer as the vertical or horizontal polarizer. Although apple is using actual anti glare layers on some of their touch devices what is commercially available (thought almost never used) for not touch displays is in different league.
Can’t take anyone seriously that thinks that jvc unit is close to being worth 1300$. Also the joying can download an app that can handle camera control for a front camera to automatically come on. It can also use a different equalizer then the default. Some buttons and an anti glare screen isn’t worth an extra 700$ homie. Besides with the joying and others there are hundreds of models where you can pick what you want like a nice screen, fast cpu, more ram and memory. There is a unit for every feature set you could think of for the most part. If you want buttons or no buttons, etc. there are dozens of brands that will have generally what you’re looking for, with 500$ being the absolute maximum price. Jvc and pioneer need to step it up, and anyone that would recommend or use their products just isn’t informed.
exelente video, tengo una duda no se si podras ayudarme , tengo un dsp hertz h8 entrada optica spdif cual estr me conviene mas para calidad de sonido piendo conectar por optico al dsp hert y de ahi a los amplificadores
Why oh why has Samsung not entered the Car Audio arena ?? They already have everything it takes ! They can blow these pricey name brands away and bring prices down while pushing efficiency up.
I love the idea of that but I think car audio isn’t big enough for for them to get involved especially this late in the game… even big companies like Sony and alpine are sizing down their line ups from several years ago…. But if they did that would be great. Thanks for the comment!
And also when it comes to speed because its an android unit you can change the developer options and animations to all off and the joying becomes lightning fast.
The Joying is lightning fast. One thing this video didn't tell you was that this boot time comparison was initial first time boot only. Subsequent Android boots take a second or two if you have the battery 12V line connected to the radio. Only the first time boot out of box on the Joying takes the time shown in the video, in two years with this same unit mine boots almost instantly every time I turn on the car.
I have the Kenwood version of the JVC and I use HDMI input most the time. When Android head unit Implement HDMI input I'm buying one for an extra car but no HDMI is a deal-breaker for me
I actually just bought a teyes Android unit just to give it a try to see if I would get lucky and love it . The display is actually really nice qled screen and smooth as butter. But the thing is the audio just sounds worst then my oem head unit . I just started playing with the equalizer program you showed and it still sounds nowhere near as good as before sounds flat and missing the richness which bothers me a ton . Imma keep messing with it but that's actually a big disappointment for me to actually have to try and figure out if I can fix this with no help
Are your speakers running on an external amplifier or off the Teyes unit , I was looking at the Teyes but I'm concerned about sound quality I'll be running the speakers of an external amplifier
JVC/Kenwood is a complete joke of a company. Their firmware updates do nothing, they advertise and sold units with Spotify app connection, then lost the contract or w/e with Spotify, now all of those units (I own two of) just don't support that feature any more, EVEN THOUGH YOU PAID FOR IT!!!
Anyone watching this video in 2024 the joying is way superior. Joying also now has a physical volume nob. Also with the Google Play store you can install whatever apps and also a launcher to set the home screen to your preferences, you can also set up your shortcuts.
People buy cheap these days money is tight in some places..We know the name brands are better its always been that way...People are gonna buy what they can afford or willing to spend
So, now you need to do an update, as Joying has answered with the new 2023 Snapdragon units, which have 6v clip free rca outputs, (somthing that you didn't test on either, the Jvc will clip at about 88% full volume and the Joying does not at all, and the new 6v version doesn't clip at full volume either), new screen is optically bonded for glair, has gestures for screens with no physical buttons( some prefer a clean look, but and we have steering wheel controls, plus you skimmed over the volume controls and left out that there is a pop up bar at the bottom of the screen, like physical buttons that have volume, forward reverse, and other navigation buttoms, but btw there are other options for units with hard buttons) and now they have a knob version of the large screened unit. The Sound settings match everything that of the "pros" and side of the JVC, like parametric EQ and adjustable slope, and one big one you didn't mention in the Joying EQ is adjustable Q range. The Sound Settings /DSP in the new unit is very in depth. As far as your comparison of the Video screen quality was pretty biased as the only real difference I could see was that the Joying screen brightness was set high and pretty subjective to how the video settings (brightness, contrast, etc) were set. Comparing them myself, I found that the screen quality is far superior in the Joying. There are many other Pros to the Joying that you didn't cover, one being everything is native, not through your phone, meaning, you can use any app you want, directly on the Head Unit, which you are stuck with what is preinstalled on the JVC, as it is NOT an android, it is Linux based only. I which brings me to the boot time at the beginning, since the Jvc is Linux, and has nothing to boot really, the first boot of the Joying will be slow, but after the first, it is faster, almost instant. It is, like a phone, or computer, takes a little time to boot. The new one has 360° view with, I don't know how many cameras. My unit like the one you compaired has 2 cameras, also you didn't mention, it does have HDMI output inside the unit. As far as optical goes, it's much more popular than you think, it is just that the USA is slow on tech compaired to other countries. And I think that you over looked the very obvious point in pros and cons and the over all, you are comparing a Unit that is 3x times the cost of the Joying, and now, with the new one that out performs it at the same price as the old one, I don't know how you can compair the two with the same huge price difference. Why not compair to something of the same price line? Because nothing even comes close to the Joying, except a popular brand that is literally 3x as much. That is a HUGE pro that was overlooked. As far as tech, I don't know what you are talking about. I have had Joyings since 2013 and never had an issue with tech. I feel that was misrepresentation and maybe parroting of people that experienced tech of other Chinese companies perhaps. Joying is not, or I mean, can not be compaired to no name other Chinese units. They are vastly different. Bottom line, I have had JVC, Kenwood, Pioneer, Alpine, Clarion Head Units all through my life and loved them, but once I went with my first JOYING, and especially the last 2 units I have purchased (unit just like the one you compair except 13.3" rotating, and my newest 2023 Snapdragon) all of those over priced Name Brand units don't come close to what you gain from these Joying. My new HU is the best sounding Unit to date and sounds better and cleaner that any unit I have ever had, and I can litterally turn it up ALL THE WAY with no distortion, and that's through the RCAs, not even talking about SPDIF or Optical. GPS, OBDII, Wifi, Google, and GooglePlayStore, endless apps, Viper4Android, Steering Wheel Controls, full integration of the head unit and all controls OEM of the car, but big beautiful Sony screens, Fast as Fuck processing, and hands free calling, messaging, etc. You can't compair the JVC in such a bias way to this new JOYING, I guarantee to out performs, and it's value is unmatched even with the older unit.
This is a great review…. I just purchased a joying unit for my daughters 2013 VW CC and will be Installing it this weekend…. This unit does have physical buttons and is designed as an in dash replacement. Cost and highly integrated / factory looking installation were the decision makers for me. She really wanted CarPlay, but I likely would not have spent the money for a name brand unit just for that upgrade for her older car. But the Joying? The price was worth the experiment. Joying has a 6.2 and 7 inch models and we are considering using for an older model Harley Davidson upgrade! I am not sure that has ever been done before, but it would sure be a fun project. Thanks for the review.
@@tywilliams127 yes, and the installation was pretty simple. Downside? This is an android kernel and far more complicated than a car stereo needs to be imho. Oh, and I never did figure out how to change it from Celsius to Fahrenheit before she had to head back to school
Heres a question from a security stand point. Lets say you get the joying. It has the play store. You use your log in info for all your apps. Or lets say you dont and only use your phone, a hot spot or home wifi. Where does your info go? Is it going through a "secure" google server or is it going through some random server and what are they doing with your info? For those that dont know the name, a youtuber by the name of Linus Tech Tips asked a similar question about those cheap android tv boxes and the answer he got was honestly, pretty scary. Hidden code in these android tvs, some even had malware that could completely take over your home wifi and any devices connected to it.The same can be applied here. Just something to think about for would be buyers.
I love jvc but for over 1k vs 500 I'd get the joying and a dsp for my rca output. Hope that sucker do have lagging problems like cheap smartphones though
I have the exact Joying unit featured in this video. No Lag doing anything. fast as hell, and the ONLY time the Joying will loose the boot up race like in this video is likely it's first out of box boot. Mine took that long for initial boot too.. every boot since has been nearly instant.
@@nickp.4915 that’s crazy. Out the box my joying booted up in like 2 seconds, instant on lol. Since then I have changed the setting to see the boot up screen because I was slightly worried about battery drain. Never killed the battery but I don’t mind a few extra seconds on the boot up. Wish it was just the car logo instead of the Google logo also included but 🤷🏻♀️
My disappointment in both the Kenwood and JVC is their massive boarder and they are not symmetrical. I’d like a system that I can turn vertically so it would fit between air conditioning vents. The Pioneer offers a 9” that JUST fits in the 2007 F-150 I have.
@@ThatGuy-ur5cn thank you. I’ve considered trying That brand. Truthfully, I’m hesitant to buy anything Chinese. I believe they are preparing to go to war to take over Taiwan as Russia has Taken Ukraine and will move on several other nations over the next few years. Sadly my nations business leaders and left leaning politicians have made themselves rich shipping almost all computer and electronics production to China. There are few good options except S Korea.
@Bret seems like Russia still hasn't taken Ukraine and China ain't doing shit. I'd take the Joying anyday, Kenwood and JVC are rip offs profiting off nationalism since everyone likes to scream about how they're domestic companies, even though all their shit gets made in China anyway lol.
@@mitlanderson China is doing a lot in preparation for war and yes attacking Taiwan. Russia is gearing up for a long term war. They were in a worse scenario in 1942. By 1945 they had destroyed Germany and taken over all of Eastern Europe and helped spread communism to China, Asia and the Americas. Ukraine won’t win this war unless NATO steps in and provides far more than they are. Even then, Ukraine is a pike of rubble and it has lost its most important land areas that contain massive oil, gas and deep sea shipping access.
@Bret China has been "preparing to attack Taiwan" for over 70 years, and after Russia failed so miserably over the past 12 months to advance in Ukraine, they are now left considering the Russians eventually being stalemated or just straight up getting kicked out and collapsing. And the only reason the Soviets didn't collapse entirely in Operarion Barbarossa is cause not only did the Lend Lease program send them millions of tanks, guns, and vehicles while they had shut down all their factories while moving over the Urals, but the Americans also had shipped them millions of pounds of food just so maybe a few million less of them would starve to death. So you can thank the Americans that the USSR lived on long enough to spread communism around the world. Adding to the irony is that such a large percentage of Russia's truck supply has been destroyed in Ukraine that they even had to dig up American trucks the US sent them back in 1943 from initial Soviet Lend Lease lol. After Ukraine took back Kherson and Kharkhiv and their surrounding areas up to the local river banks, the most likely scenario is either Russia peacing out with their current held land (which they can't even take Bahkmut after 6 months of fighting on the outskirts of the city), or after another Ukrainian counteroffensive they get their asses sent packing towards the border once again. Russia is a fucking joke, and China isn't much higher above them.
I don't know if you can hear it in your voice or even in the presentation but you can tell that you're very biased toward JVC . I've had products like join and they were great they worked great and they did everything that I needed them to do.... This leads me to ask a question are you getting paid from JVC
This seems like a very cherry picked review. As someone who sells literally every "name brand" line of head units, I can say without a doubt that the 2023 versions from Joying absolutely demolish their name brand competition. I currently have 4 Joying Auto units in my vehicles (3 Subaru, 1 BMW) and you couldn't get me to go back to Alpine/Pioneer/Sony/Kenwood/JVC, especially if you have a unit that is plug & play compatible with your car. When's the last time you saw JVC include a dash kit, wiring harness, steering wheel controls, OEM rear view camera input, 128GB onboard ROM for dash/rear cam DVR, Optical Outputs, HDMI outputs, 4G Sim Card capability, a fully customizable launcher, 48 Band EQ (that can be customized to the listening habits of up to 3 users), Delay (in milliseconds), individual speaker gain control, a Highpass and Lowpass filters for: Front, Rear, & Center (so you can theoretically set it up as a bandpass filter if so desired), along with Frequency adjustments and slope (6/12/18/24 db per octave) , along with the obvious LPF for a subwoofer. All for under $500 shipped? The answer is you can't. You haven't. You won't. www.joyingauto.com/new-arrival-9-inch-navigation-system-head-unit-for-subaru-legacy-outback-2015-2018.html This is an example of what I have in my own vehicle.
No need for preamp outputs just use an LOC like the one from Kicker and get 5 volt rca's for about $25, I've seen them tested with an smd and it is legit 5V, you don't need much more.
Even $90 head units have optical output and real DSP chip inside makes tuning a breeze. They are much better than the brand unit unless your ego is to have name brands in the car.
I have this exact Joying unit featured in this video going into JL Audio Optical input VX1000/5i (integrated DSP) and it is a match made in heaven! Absolutely Amazing! If the Alpine DSP is similar quality to the JL and I imagine it is as I used to be an Alpine fanboy you will not regret it...
I use the Sirius XM app streamed via TMobile sim chip installed in the Joying. At first I was used to the actual XM tuner and was concerned The app and streaming would not equal the actual XM tuner, but I have been using the app now on my Joying for 2 years and have never looked back. You really dont need the tuner, and Sirius XM is now offering more programming over the app than broadcast down from the satellite.
I'll take the JVC, I've had one of those android n thought I was saving money, turned out to be more of a headache. I waisted more time n money. I bought a Kenwood with rr2 and install was done and everything worked instantly
Steering wheel controls. Also a benefit of the android deck, change gestures to change function. Volume up, sweep fingers up, volume down, sweep fingers down. If you need to twist a button that bad, get a girlfriend and twist nipples.
This guy hates these things since he can charge more and make more off of branded units with less features. He's just trying to separate money from your hands and come up with dumb reasons why. "The screen is clearer" oooOoOooOooOoo bull crap. What a wanker
Is there a setting to keep Joying Unit display OFF by default when car is started. I only intend on using it as a backup camera and occasionally for Navigation. Thus I don't need infotainment system to turn ON by default when Car is started. I want to explicitly turn it ON.
LOve your reviews, but this one seemed very biased towards the JVC which was triple the cost of the Joying. It shouldn't be that much more expensive if they compare that close
I bought a Idoing head unit and all worked until I decided to use an external amplifier to power the speakers. Once I did I realized why name brand head units are the way to go. I don't think I can ever trust a chinese head unit again.
Dear sir if I want to purchase sony es 9500 headunit can you please help me out as this headunit is not yet released in india alongwith shipping charges if possible Thanks
Hey bro, awesome review!!! can you also do us Toyota fans a huge favor and review this Joying product made for Toyota vehicles, please? 😃 - - - Joying JY-TQ125N4G
Yes, Joying has a USB cd/DVD player that works FANTASTIC!! It even allows you to RIP the music off the disks and have it saved digitally on the radio it's self so you no longer even need to have the actual cd's in your vehicle anymore once you Rip them. They support ripping them in several different media types (Mp3, WMA, FLAC etc etc) and can choose the quality you want them ripped as. For me, I do every cd as FLAC 24-BIT Loss-less for truely no loss of quality at all over the actual cd... It even downloads the album art, names of each song etc etc automatically too and saves it, so when you play the songs on the radios music player app it displays everything too properly, even the album art...
Why nobody talks about how useless the android functions are on these devices? I have the KW-Z1000W JVC, but I am not happy that the applications you can use are extremely limited. Many of them are half way working, I thought it will work like my phone since it is android, but it is far not that good yet. I also do not see updates on the firmware, the last one was in 2021, and frankly the user interface is pretty outdated. For such an expensive unit I would have expected better support and usability. The only thing is sound handling and Google map that works properly, but that needs continuous internet connection. Apps like "Mapsme" does not exist on this one.
Not sure I know of anyone having a China andoid head unit older that 3 years that still works There is a Russian programmer on fb group that does customizing of the China head units China head units w Russian customization may be open door to hacking your connected accounts as it is a computer Agreed on lack of support for China head units. You would think one of them should hire a English understanding person to write a manual for android head unit settings
For anyone still shopping, the 11.6" joying has buttons at the bottom of the screen. Just touch the bottom and a button bar pops up (and stays until hidden by swiping down). Bass controls are front and rear (that's why there are two sets of adjustments) - I have 6x9 in front doors that are wide open and boosted, and 5.25 in rear that are filtered at 60hz, for example. That little button for common apps can be turned off.
2 years later and the optical outputs are more popular then Ever. Know it’s time for the big audio companies to start adding them to these radios.
They do
I’d like to see a comparison of a $500 unit vs a $500 unit. Someone dropping almost 1.5k isn’t the same person looking to spend around 500 just to upgrade. Also, this video didn’t get in depth too much. How’s the call quality on each? Customization. Crashes etc.
You can't compare a joying under $500 unit with another under $500 unit from a "known brand", because there isn't one. Or else Joying would win with a huge gap because under $500 "real brand" units don't have a display and so one.
@@michelwilms all that means to me is that if joying made a 1k unit it would blow these out the water
@@swilliams23 already the under $500 Joying units blow them out the water. Trust me they are fire.
@@michelwilms the only reason I haven’t pulled the trigger on one yet is because I’m undecided between the snapdragon processor with all screen or a physical button unit. But I will definitely be going with a joying
@@swilliams23 do you have steering wheel buttons?
I've had 3 Joying units and would never go back to name brand units which are 3 times the price with less features and functionality.
Not to mention you can order vehicle specific units from Joying which makes it truly plug and play, integrated steering wheel controls and you can install it yourself without any cutting or splicing.
That's what I like about Android units!
I've had two Joying 10.1 units too and both of them failed. Which sucks because I really liked the units. It's just sad that the quality is crap. They are offering me a discount for a new one version 12 but I am very hesitant to buy anything from them again.
quick question do they work with factory back u camera?
@@suspensefulness You can make it work by splicing into the rear view camera but I have never done it myself.
Yes, they are super easy to install. However, name brand units don't typically just stop working after a year. When I asked Joying about that on both units their reply was "We cannot tell you how long our units will last as they are not made with premium parts. We are in China and at that price point they cannot be made of quality. We are in business to make money"
You missed the main reason to buy the Joying (or other Android units) which is the incredible flexibility of operation with the apps from the Play store. Sound quality issues can be resolved with an external amp.
Nope. My joying crapped put. The rca output is 0V. The high output processing??? Won't even mess with it. I'm sending it back. I got the JVC comming this Friday. You get what you pay for.
Once you put an Android HU in your car you can never go back,
@@thevirushaus9491 sorry you had a crap experience. You are one of very few. These android radios are only getting better.
@@woomdawg Exactly! particularly if you are a bit nerdy...
@@woomdawg can you give us an update
I got my joying unit for over 3 years now , it is working the same as the first day , couldn't find anything better
That’s good information to know for anyone that’s considering a joining radio that it’s still continues to work after three years
Have that exact Joying unit connected to a JL Audio VX-1000/5i amplifier via SPDIF Optical cable. Speakers are Kicker snowman pods on my A-Pillars at the windshield facing driver\passenger. Front doors are Sony XS690-ES coaxials, rear doors are Sony XS650-ES coaxials. Sub box is sealed box with two Kicker 12" L7 Solo-baric's Using the JL Audio Tun App and just a quick basic setup (I have not played with the JL DSP settings at all yet, I have made no crossover or EQ changes yet) I only turned on the Optical inputs on the amplifier and let it rip. I wanted to get the feel for the system out of the box for a couple weeks before I start to tweak the VXi's DSP. Just the out of the box sound of the combo mentioned above already sounds impressive BEFORE tuning... All I can say is so far I am very impressed with the Joying unit. I have a Seicane Android deck in my last vehicle and the Seicane was riddled with low volume hiss and barely audible yet fully audible noises computer\data noises and hiss with the volume set at 0 or 1 This Joying unit has no such issues and when connected to the VX-1000/5i via optical when the volume on the deck is set at 0 or 1 there is dead silence, no noises hisses data stream noises etc it is literally like the deck and amp are both switched OFF. I'm not sure you mentioned that the Android deck is the ultimate in flexibility when it comes to apps etc... The Joying has both apple and android car-play solutions, but you really dont need them since the deck is an actual Android deck. Unfortunately one of the con's to the JVC type decks is that they are fully customized my the MFG and not open ended to do the things one's nerdy heart may desire where with the android OS it's cake to do whatever you want... install whatever you want.... I have already watched decrypted BlueRay movie .m2ts data streams as well as .MKV BlueRay video streams off a USB hard drive using VLC Media player installed on the deck to watch 1080P BluRay movies on the deck ;) There is just so much more you can do with an Android deck if you are a nerdy bastard like myself.
I own a joying unit and can attest its surprising performance. Although I do not have a $1.5k jvc unit to do a side by side comparison I can say that the joying at its price point is a good quality upgrade for older factory head units. I currently have it installed in my 2004 honda crv with a helix dsp pro mk2 with a helix m4 and ac 1.300 for the sub. I have 6.5” focal flax performance components upfront and coaxials in the rear. Im running a 11” focal sub in the back and sound is excellent though the helix mk2 using an optical cable. The optical port was one of the main features I was looking for. For me, this unit had everything I was looking for for far less than most all name brands and has delivered. I control audio volume through my helix director but did use a cheap bluetooth stick on remote without issue for the first 3 months.
I just got one of these 10.1 android head units and it blows my Pioneer out of the water and was less LOL. The name brands are kind of ripping us off now.
The build quality is better now. The pioneer I have is a 2660NEX and it's super cheap and light feeling, the android head unit I have now is wayyyyyyy better.
If your main priority is sound quality and you absolutely need RCA's to your amplifier, you could alwasy add a mini-DSP. While the setup is a little more complex (particularly if you want to do proper tested EQ); it would allow you to send a digital signal from the Joying's Fibre-optic, to the Mini-DSP's DAC. Once configured right it would blow both head units away and your still in for less than 50% of the JVC's asking price.
exactly!
I have the exact Joying unit featured in this video and I am feeding a JL Audio VX-1000/5i DSP amplifier that has optical input via the optical output on the Joying deck. There is not a spec of noise in any way... no deck generated noise, no ground loop or engine noise, no zero\low volume hiss... nothing. it is literally dead silent at no\low volume...
@@nickp.4915 Bro... Thats a 1500$ amp.
Is there a mini DSP that you recommend?
@@CozyKG sure is. but the jvc headunit is also around there. and you could absolutely go with a less expensive dsp-amp and achieve very very good results. headunits are just not really used or needed anymore to process sound. all you want is a perfectly clean left and right pre- or digital output to feed into a DSP. i use a $100 pioneer and feed into my dsp. works perfectly but im gonna buy a 7 inch joying for the optical output and carplay/androidauto.
This review did point some of the few issues that the android radios tend to have with the screen glare (they also tend to be worse with retaining fingerprints). Other than that, there seems to be absolutely no real reason to purchase a legacy brand head unit. I was worried about sound quality at the price point, but digital outs completely squash that concern. Since this video they have even gotten better like being instant on and having higher build quality. I was looking at car stereos in the $300-400 range and I couldn’t believe how uncompetitive the legacies are on all metrics. Seriously, the legacy brands might be better off just licensing and rebranding the android units as their own at this point. I’m vain enough to pay $50-100 extra for better anti-glare coating and the Kenwood/Sony/etc name but 2x the price for worse performance, features, and design is a no go.
I just slapped an anti glare screen protector on me. Works a charm. I’ve had my unit for two years and so glad I went with a Joying
And the one question they didn’t answer that EVERYONE wants to know is what’s the actual sound quality difference including through an amp!
Sound quality through amp is terrible with the joying. Burned 2 amp
@@JamesJimmyLett Id have to disagree. My car comes with a descent sound system and the joying made it sound better somehow in comparison to the stock radio. its been 2 years and the stock 2007 amp is still kicking without issues. installed a joying in my other car, and even my gf who is your average joe when it comes to music, said the music sounded more pleasing in my car than in her moms car. both cars are the exact same
@@JamesJimmyLett what car and what amp?
that is a very interesting question to me as well because I plan on using mine in a complet kicker system nothing big kxa 800.1 and kxa400.4 and I hope I don't have to hear a bunch of shit but I'm also using a old Zapco board eq just to see how it does. oh and it should boost the signal of the joying.
Optical out from this exact Joying deck to my JL Audio VX-1000/5i DSP amplifier both units straight out of the box the only settings changed on the amplifier were to turn on the optical inputs as they are switched off within the amplifier by default. All I did was turn them on... It has been so far the most impressive straight out of the box sound I have ever heard without a single tweak yet. I have been driving with it for three weeks now to get a better fell for any tweaks I may want to make. Right out the box with default EQ and crossover settings on the amp this Joying unit sound better than my old car's system after days of tweaking... If you pair this specific Joying unit with a decent DSP\amplifier with digital input you will not be unhappy.... This was my biggest worry prior to purchase... So far I am amazed at the out of box results... Far better than I expected...
This is a JVC $500 unit, but they are charging $900 extra to cover their marketing costs
These are literally the 2 stereos I have been considering, thanks for the review and comparison! 👍
Which one you get?
None lol
I would definitely take the Joying. Bigger screen and can do more with it for 1/3 that price
Joying is the best
With so many cars needing an iDatatlink Maestro for installation I’m surprised more of these brown box radios haven’t incorporated it into their design. Once they do I feel it will be a closer comparison.
What they don't know is they have a canvas decoder built in. No need for another box to decode what the radio can do on its own.
The exact Joying unit featured in this video I have installed in a 2020 Subaru Forester. No Maestro required hooked up the harness that I had Joying ship me for the Forester plugged it into the radio and into the car and done. Steering wheel controls work fine...
I have the joying in my clk, you can have the buttons along the bottom too default they only come on when headlights are on but in setting s you can set them to be on all the time
Joying (and ATOTO) offers a 4G LTE version that accepts a cell signal (you will need a separate data account with your provider to use this feature) and I currently have an ATOTO S8 unit with this and it's a game changer for me. I can't wait until they (ATOTO or other Chinese Android manufacturers) offer a 5G Cell signal version.
what he failed to mention is open source. downloading anything you want also jvc is what made me buy my first Joying the jvc crapped out 4 days after the warranty was over and jvc said that they were sorry. that's all they said. so I looked into a replacement and ran across Joying and I never looked back. I've had three so far one was in a 05 Escalade I sold the other two I still own. but I'm satisfied.
The current joyings boot up in like 2 seconds after you install them in the vehicle. They have a low power standby mode which results in a super fast boot time.
I have the joying 10.1 ultra 1280x800 android 10. Trying to update to android 12. One thing I know for sure is this Joying sound is amazing. Never heard such a clean sounding stereo. The screen pops. No glare problem. I have tinted windows. And it does anything a android phone would do via playstore. For the price joying all day. 2 year warranty. Got mine direct from China 2 day shipping.
Were you able to update it? Just bought mine.
That JVC seems like it would be a great option for a pickup. You could have cameras for rear, front, in bed, and possibly a trailer camera hookup. That would be nice!
It is! I have it on my 2019 TRD Tacoma 😊 having the cameras show while driving is a pleasure!
@@AndrewAguirre1 Thanks. I may consider that radio in the future.
This video was kinda crap when skimming over the features of the Joying. The flag ship Joyings have 2 cameras, front and rear, but the new ones have 360° view.
Well when I used to sell car audio the markup was 60 to 70 percent on the name brands just so you know! Its time people demanded more functionality and usability from this technology and got what its worth from it there's no reason for example CarPlay can't be wireless on all head-units as the work is all done on the phone. why do the name brand charge double for that? Because they can.
not to mention the name brand such as kenwood, JVC, pioneer etc. cannot actually use GPS by themselves, they require a phone and use android auto / apple carplay, whereas you can use google maps, independent of your phone, on the joying. the name brand units are basically just casting screens for your phone.
@@Murtagh653 My Atoto S8 ultra has been working great for the last 6 months or so got it with dash cam backup cam and OB2 dongle for Torque and sounds way better the the JVC that was there before!
I agree. The Joying unit is a game changer for way less than the name brands
The android units to me either target something looking for more for less aka cheaper unit with a lot of flexibility or to the more diy car audio type. The digital out alone is something we don't see because none of the domestic brands can put it in 1k+ units like Sony has in the GS9 and have a huge markup. Enormous numbers of android units have them and are fairly cheap. The software platform with android is just going to always be light years ahead of any closed system that the domestic brands run. I believe in less than 5 years we will see chinese units likely surpass the major brands and force them to either actually provide much more serious value or get beat. You can literally do everything on an android with no need for a phone at all including putting a cellular chip on it.
Android supports gestures so you can adjust the volume, etc. by dragging three fingers across or up/down the screen.
on the Joying?
@@tothdaniel99 It should but I haven't found the menu for it in settings yet
Under 500 vs 1300 value for money is the name of the game
Let's see a jvc under 500 and compare appels to appels
good idea
As someone who does 3-5 1500 Mile round trips a year with 2 little kids, the Alpine radios with the HDMI input and Output is worth the double the cost of the Joying.
Keep over paying and don't research. Joying has those inputs also.
@@asherdiethis joying does not have HDMI.
Nice comparison. How about joying vs BOSS? I don't drive my car that much. I couldn't justify spending that much for a radio. I think i would stick with something like the Joying or a BOSS floating screen and get a speakers and amp. With install i think it still comes out cheaper then the JVC 😂
Or maybe buy myself a 70 inch 4k tv.
But the unit is pretty cool.
I have had so many different Units over the years, the two most crap units I have had were Boss... Just sayin.
One unit I literally bought, had it for a while, then got rid of it. The other came in my Truck when I bought it, and could not wait to replace it. I didn't even try to sell it, threw that POS right in the garbage. I have had all high end name brands all my life (53yrs) in audio, Alpine, Kenwood, JVC, PIONEER,, Clarion, bought my first Joying back in 2013 and I can Honestly say I will never, ever, buy another Name brand unit again. This video was super Bias and skimes or skipped over everything that makes then so great. His biggest complaint was no physical buttons, but didn't even know that there is a pop up menu at the bottom of the screen with Volume, forward, reverse, home, etc, just like a hidden physical button. Smh
Skipped over some of the important details of the EQ, like Q settings that make that thing sound Unbelievable! And glides over the 2v 6v rca comparison, but didn't actually test the RCAs for clipping... The Joying has zero clipping at full volume, the JVC starts clipping at 88% volume.
The screen! Lmao, the JVC dims their screen so it looks more deep, but it's literally darker, so you miss most of what you should see, and the resolution isn't even comparable. There is adjustment on the Joying to your taste. The one he compair I can see the Contrast, Hugh, brightness is set high for what ever environment. The new units have a coating for glair because of the American complains, where as everyone else just uses a screen protector that does this for you anyway.
Theres 2 adjustments for front stage and rear stage on the joying headunit. When it comes to picture quality like I see again there's pixelation coming from the jvc when there's none coming from the joying, when it comes to stock apps and apps you can download you can use other apps to play movies that can give you better video quality.
When it comes to the joying brand like several other Android head unit brands they have many screen sizes and some do come with volume buttons and like the one I have actually comes with on screen volume buttons, your getting more bang for your buck when it comes down to it. Those who call Android radios trash either never had one or bought one for 200 and below.
Id rather a double-din flush install. 03 Town Car. This type seems nice too. What brand and model head do you have?
With android you can set gestures, so I drag three fingers up or down the screen at any time to adjust the volume on my joying
I watch decrypted BluRay .m2ts streams as well as .MKV streams at 1080P via 800GB USB hard drive and VLC media player on the exact Joying unit in this video. It's PERFECT... never any issues watching BluRay movies at 1080P on the Joying...
That was surround control, supposed to let you control the sound on each speaker individually so it hits the ear like reverb.
i have both units, well the kenwood version of the jvc i enjoy the android more since im an android user once i link my google account everything on my phone is on my android radio, wifi connect and able to download app able to play my favorite youtube playlist or watch movie on amazon prime,hbo max and disney plus waze and google maps is a huge plus,i got 2011 camry with jbl and all i need is the adapter for vehicles with amp. i have the 4 camera model with 64 eq which you fine tune the audio to match your listening preferences you can dowload eq apps too, video quality wasnt my concern if you live in climates where theres snow the android screen will have shadow effects due to the cold till the cabin warms up
Optical output is far superior. Anyone who installs car stereos can tell you that RCA can pick up noise and why would you run 6 RCA vs One Optical or one Digital Coax. We got to get out of the audio stone age. Digital all the way. Joying all the way. Connect it to an Audio Control Dm-608 DSP or a JL audio VX1000/5i which is an amp with an Optical input. Perfectly clean sound into your amp or DSP and then you can fully adjust crossover settings and RTA settings.
Because the joying already has a full dsp integrated.
It was over when i noticed the Joying had an optical out . Joying optical out into a mini DSP is the only way to go for the best sound quality nothing else comes close.
YEP! Optical out and more flexibility via Android at half to a third of the price of the big names in car audio... that's all it took for me to take a chance with Joying and three days ago I ordered the newest 15 inch Joying rotatable display unit so I can move my first one (featured in this video) to my older vehicle and put the new 15 inch on my newer vehicle. I will not even consider a Big name Car Audio head unit purchase again until they have something to compete head to head that is an Android deck.
Sir, thank you for the video …
Can I ask a technical question . assuming I can … can we route the optical out from the hard unit to a DAC and from DAC to DSP -AMP -Speakers… Is it technically possible and an efficient way to get best out of an audio source ? … please respond..
Well most ppl that buy the newer joying radios buy them because they have the Optical out 😂 I got a Helix dsp 3 and it got a optical in, so it’s perfect!
I heard the optical and spdif exits are very popular in combination with the joying because the normal line and amplified speaker outputs don't have good sound quality. You can't fuck up sound quality when the signal is digital,so that's a great choice together with a spdif or optical capable amp, DSP or combined with a converter box.
My Unit, like the one he compaired tested at just over 2v and zero clipping from the RCAs. My newest Snapdragon unit tests at 6v and zero clipping at full volume. My JVC, Pioneer, and Kenwood, which aren't really new units, but considered top of the line at the time, all test at 2v, but every one of them clip at about 85 to 90 percent volume. So is it really that bad? My unit that I have in my truck is so clean sounding, and with the DSP, tuning is awesome, but this new Snapdragon unit, I am totally Blown the Fuck away. The EQ has 3 levels to from easy to complicated. Meaning in the I can adjust the EQ per each channel individually, or by front, rear, center and sub. BTW it has a center channel, and 5.1 dts surround. The EQ is now parametric and graphic EQ like his complaint it didn't have before. The DSP is very in depth.
I’ve been looking at stereo vids for a couple of days now. Really like the look of the Android head units.
One thing I never see (and can’t find info on) is AM/FM reception (dBf). I mostly listen to Sirius/Pandora/TuneIn but there are times when I actually enjoy terrestrial radio.
The aftermarket units I’ve tried (Pioneer, Jensen, and JVC) have all SUCKED in comparison to the stock radio. It’s actually annoying enough that I have pulled the aftermarket radios and put in the original just to get better reception. 😢
"Most people will not be considering using the optical audio option" while I'm literally planning a build around JL D8 DAC with digital input only
ha ha ha me too.. I literally bought this unit as one of the strongest features was the Optical out... I put mine directly into the JL Audio VX 1000/5i DSP amplifier! It's been a dream come true so far!!!!! Been looking for this ability for 15 plus years wondering why it was never done before!!!! Biggest selling point in my newly installed system!
My 6+ year old Joying developed a touch screen issue, so I'm looking at replacements. The only reason I'm even looking at other units is that none of the Android head units have HD Radio support. But other than HD Radio, Joying seems to beat most everything else available looking at price and features. And, there are many Joying models with different screen sizes and choice of physical buttons or not. Many more reasonably priced non-Android radios don't have HD Radio either.
You can add an HD tuner if I'm not mistaken.
What's the touch issue?
@@joealexander6024 The screen quit recognizing touch.
@@mrman8856 the HD tuners that you can add via USB, are not compatible with US standards. HD radio in the US really seemed to never take off.
I'm sure you bought it at have the price of the competition. Easy excuse to simply replace it with a newer android 10 with physical controls built for your specific car.
Question.. Just how "bad" is the screen glare? A couple years ago I put a Hikity 10.1 Android Car Stereo Double Din 10.1 Inch Touch Screen Car Radio GPS Navigation Bluetooth FM Radio Support WiFi Mirror Link for Android/iOS Phone + Dual USB Input & 12 LEDs Backup Camera in a Ford Transit Connect. There were essentially NO glare issues.
Hey bro i have the joying and i have the jvc, the joying bass enhancements is not 2 of them, the one on the top is for mid bass and the bottom is only for the sub
Joying do come with the anti-glare. 6 camera input, It is really necessary?
I know this is an old video, but I would go with the joying beause I wouldn't use any of the features on the Joying but the Optical output because I have Audiocontrol Processor. And I would also use it for the SIM CARD input for self wifi.
All the good reviews I see are primarily on Atoto system
I had a lower end model $150 bucks only 2G of Ram. It was slow for obvious reasons. It was ok, but you needed a wire harness to connect it. Joying, is plug-n-play. Just installed my Joying 10.1 6gb of ram yesterday 1/11/21. It’s perfect for me. Drastically improved the stock speaker sound. Just waiting on a sim adapter for wifi so i don’t have to tether.
Also my Atoto never saved my eq settings, had to adjust each time i restarted car. Don’t know why.
Optical Bonding Technology
.... I think it is what is actually called fully laminated screen or one glass solution, still very very reflective display. So far the best commercially available technology is still matte diffusive layer as the vertical or horizontal polarizer. Although apple is using actual anti glare layers on some of their touch devices what is commercially available (thought almost never used) for not touch displays is in different league.
Good review but I can’t see where the Joying model number is mentioned.
I Believe it’s the Joying 10.1 .. correct me if I’m wrong anyone
Can’t take anyone seriously that thinks that jvc unit is close to being worth 1300$. Also the joying can download an app that can handle camera control for a front camera to automatically come on. It can also use a different equalizer then the default. Some buttons and an anti glare screen isn’t worth an extra 700$ homie. Besides with the joying and others there are hundreds of models where you can pick what you want like a nice screen, fast cpu, more ram and memory. There is a unit for every feature set you could think of for the most part. If you want buttons or no buttons, etc. there are dozens of brands that will have generally what you’re looking for, with 500$ being the absolute maximum price. Jvc and pioneer need to step it up, and anyone that would recommend or use their products just isn’t informed.
will joying survive the harsh Canadian winter & humid hot summers? i doubt that 😊
When are top brand head units going to include digital outs! So frustrating
exelente video, tengo una duda no se si podras ayudarme , tengo un dsp hertz h8 entrada optica spdif cual estr me conviene mas para calidad de sonido piendo conectar por optico al dsp hert y de ahi a los amplificadores
About the output from the Joying unit, how do they respond to 2 ohm speakers or even 3 ohm (Blam speakers)?
Why oh why has Samsung not entered the Car Audio arena ?? They already have everything it takes ! They can blow these pricey name brands away and bring prices down while pushing efficiency up.
I love the idea of that but I think car audio isn’t big enough for for them to get involved especially this late in the game… even big companies like Sony and alpine are sizing down their line ups from several years ago…. But if they did that would be great. Thanks for the comment!
I'm a little mad atm, I just got my joying and after 3 days it won't power on. I'm not happy right now.
I wear sunglasses at night so glare is a non factor.
always remember on android you can remove the animations to make them much faster. just tap the build number in settings 7 times.
Also was that first boot?
And also when it comes to speed because its an android unit you can change the developer options and animations to all off and the joying becomes lightning fast.
The Joying is lightning fast. One thing this video didn't tell you was that this boot time comparison was initial first time boot only. Subsequent Android boots take a second or two if you have the battery 12V line connected to the radio. Only the first time boot out of box on the Joying takes the time shown in the video, in two years with this same unit mine boots almost instantly every time I turn on the car.
I have the Kenwood version of the JVC and I use HDMI input most the time. When Android head unit Implement HDMI input I'm buying one for an extra car but no HDMI is a deal-breaker for me
Some of them do
I actually just bought a teyes Android unit just to give it a try to see if I would get lucky and love it . The display is actually really nice qled screen and smooth as butter. But the thing is the audio just sounds worst then my oem head unit . I just started playing with the equalizer program you showed and it still sounds nowhere near as good as before sounds flat and missing the richness which bothers me a ton . Imma keep messing with it but that's actually a big disappointment for me to actually have to try and figure out if I can fix this with no help
I just returned the atoto A6 performance unit because of the shitty soound quality
@@HighVybeTribe Yeah im debating right now returning mine. I downloaded different equalizers that maybe i can fix it
You can also buy a amp for door speakers
Are your speakers running on an external amplifier or off the Teyes unit , I was looking at the Teyes but I'm concerned about sound quality I'll be running the speakers of an external amplifier
JVC/Kenwood is a complete joke of a company. Their firmware updates do nothing, they advertise and sold units with Spotify app connection, then lost the contract or w/e with Spotify, now all of those units (I own two of) just don't support that feature any more, EVEN THOUGH YOU PAID FOR IT!!!
Anyone watching this video in 2024 the joying is way superior. Joying also now has a physical volume nob. Also with the Google Play store you can install whatever apps and also a launcher to set the home screen to your preferences, you can also set up your shortcuts.
People buy cheap these days money is tight in some places..We know the name brands are better its always been that way...People are gonna buy what they can afford or willing to spend
So, now you need to do an update, as Joying has answered with the new 2023 Snapdragon units, which have 6v clip free rca outputs, (somthing that you didn't test on either, the Jvc will clip at about 88% full volume and the Joying does not at all, and the new 6v version doesn't clip at full volume either), new screen is optically bonded for glair, has gestures for screens with no physical buttons( some prefer a clean look, but and we have steering wheel controls, plus you skimmed over the volume controls and left out that there is a pop up bar at the bottom of the screen, like physical buttons that have volume, forward reverse, and other navigation buttoms, but btw there are other options for units with hard buttons) and now they have a knob version of the large screened unit.
The Sound settings match everything that of the "pros" and side of the JVC, like parametric EQ and adjustable slope, and one big one you didn't mention in the Joying EQ is adjustable Q range. The Sound Settings /DSP in the new unit is very in depth.
As far as your comparison of the Video screen quality was pretty biased as the only real difference I could see was that the Joying screen brightness was set high and pretty subjective to how the video settings (brightness, contrast, etc) were set. Comparing them myself, I found that the screen quality is far superior in the Joying.
There are many other Pros to the Joying that you didn't cover, one being everything is native, not through your phone, meaning, you can use any app you want, directly on the Head Unit, which you are stuck with what is preinstalled on the JVC, as it is NOT an android, it is Linux based only. I which brings me to the boot time at the beginning, since the Jvc is Linux, and has nothing to boot really, the first boot of the Joying will be slow, but after the first, it is faster, almost instant. It is, like a phone, or computer, takes a little time to boot.
The new one has 360° view with, I don't know how many cameras. My unit like the one you compaired has 2 cameras, also you didn't mention, it does have HDMI output inside the unit.
As far as optical goes, it's much more popular than you think, it is just that the USA is slow on tech compaired to other countries.
And I think that you over looked the very obvious point in pros and cons and the over all, you are comparing a Unit that is 3x times the cost of the Joying, and now, with the new one that out performs it at the same price as the old one, I don't know how you can compair the two with the same huge price difference. Why not compair to something of the same price line? Because nothing even comes close to the Joying, except a popular brand that is literally 3x as much. That is a HUGE pro that was overlooked. As far as tech, I don't know what you are talking about. I have had Joyings since 2013 and never had an issue with tech. I feel that was misrepresentation and maybe parroting of people that experienced tech of other Chinese companies perhaps. Joying is not, or I mean, can not be compaired to no name other Chinese units. They are vastly different.
Bottom line, I have had JVC, Kenwood, Pioneer, Alpine, Clarion Head Units all through my life and loved them, but once I went with my first JOYING, and especially the last 2 units I have purchased (unit just like the one you compair except 13.3" rotating, and my newest 2023 Snapdragon) all of those over priced Name Brand units don't come close to what you gain from these Joying. My new HU is the best sounding Unit to date and sounds better and cleaner that any unit I have ever had, and I can litterally turn it up ALL THE WAY with no distortion, and that's through the RCAs, not even talking about SPDIF or Optical.
GPS, OBDII, Wifi, Google, and GooglePlayStore, endless apps, Viper4Android, Steering Wheel Controls, full integration of the head unit and all controls OEM of the car, but big beautiful Sony screens, Fast as Fuck processing, and hands free calling, messaging, etc. You can't compair the JVC in such a bias way to this new JOYING, I guarantee to out performs, and it's value is unmatched even with the older unit.
they dont support maestro. completely useless radio.
@nmDst what is maestro?
This is a great review…. I just purchased a joying unit for my daughters 2013 VW CC and will be Installing it this weekend…. This unit does have physical buttons and is designed as an in dash replacement. Cost and highly integrated / factory looking installation were the decision makers for me.
She really wanted CarPlay, but I likely would not have spent the money for a name brand unit just for that upgrade for her older car. But the Joying? The price was worth the experiment.
Joying has a 6.2 and 7 inch models and we are considering using for an older model Harley Davidson upgrade! I am not sure that has ever been done before, but it would sure be a fun project.
Thanks for the review.
You can get car play on That stereo that you bought Your daughter
@@tywilliams127 yes, and the installation was pretty simple. Downside? This is an android kernel and far more complicated than a car stereo needs to be imho. Oh, and I never did figure out how to change it from Celsius to Fahrenheit before she had to head back to school
Heres a question from a security stand point. Lets say you get the joying. It has the play store. You use your log in info for all your apps. Or lets say you dont and only use your phone, a hot spot or home wifi. Where does your info go? Is it going through a "secure" google server or is it going through some random server and what are they doing with your info? For those that dont know the name, a youtuber by the name of Linus Tech Tips asked a similar question about those cheap android tv boxes and the answer he got was honestly, pretty scary. Hidden code in these android tvs, some even had malware that could completely take over your home wifi and any devices connected to it.The same can be applied here. Just something to think about for would be buyers.
ruclips.net/video/67vOLN2VvcE/видео.htmlsi=H_LBWgl4pnfQxSUu this guy has your answers. he reviews android units.
I went with the jvc of course
I love jvc but for over 1k vs 500 I'd get the joying and a dsp for my rca output. Hope that sucker do have lagging problems like cheap smartphones though
mine doesn't
I have the exact Joying unit featured in this video. No Lag doing anything. fast as hell, and the ONLY time the Joying will loose the boot up race like in this video is likely it's first out of box boot. Mine took that long for initial boot too.. every boot since has been nearly instant.
@@nickp.4915 that’s crazy. Out the box my joying booted up in like 2 seconds, instant on lol. Since then I have changed the setting to see the boot up screen because I was slightly worried about battery drain. Never killed the battery but I don’t mind a few extra seconds on the boot up. Wish it was just the car logo instead of the Google logo also included but 🤷🏻♀️
Is a sap the same as a amplifier. I was planning to just get a preamp to boost the voltage and a 4 channel amp.
My disappointment in both the Kenwood and JVC is their massive boarder and they are not symmetrical. I’d like a system that I can turn vertically so it would fit between air conditioning vents.
The Pioneer offers a 9” that JUST fits in the 2007 F-150 I have.
Joying's latest units can spin their screens 90 degrees. Even has a little motor to do it at the push of a button
@@ThatGuy-ur5cn thank you. I’ve considered trying That brand. Truthfully, I’m hesitant to buy anything Chinese. I believe they are preparing to go to war to take over Taiwan as Russia has Taken Ukraine and will move on several other nations over the next few years.
Sadly my nations business leaders and left leaning politicians have made themselves rich shipping almost all computer and electronics production to China. There are few good options except S Korea.
@Bret seems like Russia still hasn't taken Ukraine and China ain't doing shit. I'd take the Joying anyday, Kenwood and JVC are rip offs profiting off nationalism since everyone likes to scream about how they're domestic companies, even though all their shit gets made in China anyway lol.
@@mitlanderson China is doing a lot in preparation for war and yes attacking Taiwan.
Russia is gearing up for a long term war. They were in a worse scenario in 1942. By 1945 they had destroyed Germany and taken over all of Eastern Europe and helped spread communism to China, Asia and the Americas.
Ukraine won’t win this war unless NATO steps in and provides far more than they are. Even then, Ukraine is a pike of rubble and it has lost its most important land areas that contain massive oil, gas and deep sea shipping access.
@Bret China has been "preparing to attack Taiwan" for over 70 years, and after Russia failed so miserably over the past 12 months to advance in Ukraine, they are now left considering the Russians eventually being stalemated or just straight up getting kicked out and collapsing. And the only reason the Soviets didn't collapse entirely in Operarion Barbarossa is cause not only did the Lend Lease program send them millions of tanks, guns, and vehicles while they had shut down all their factories while moving over the Urals, but the Americans also had shipped them millions of pounds of food just so maybe a few million less of them would starve to death. So you can thank the Americans that the USSR lived on long enough to spread communism around the world. Adding to the irony is that such a large percentage of Russia's truck supply has been destroyed in Ukraine that they even had to dig up American trucks the US sent them back in 1943 from initial Soviet Lend Lease lol. After Ukraine took back Kherson and Kharkhiv and their surrounding areas up to the local river banks, the most likely scenario is either Russia peacing out with their current held land (which they can't even take Bahkmut after 6 months of fighting on the outskirts of the city), or after another Ukrainian counteroffensive they get their asses sent packing towards the border once again. Russia is a fucking joke, and China isn't much higher above them.
I don't know if you can hear it in your voice or even in the presentation but you can tell that you're very biased toward JVC . I've had products like join and they were great they worked great and they did everything that I needed them to do.... This leads me to ask a question are you getting paid from JVC
This seems like a very cherry picked review. As someone who sells literally every "name brand" line of head units, I can say without a doubt that the 2023 versions from Joying absolutely demolish their name brand competition. I currently have 4 Joying Auto units in my vehicles (3 Subaru, 1 BMW) and you couldn't get me to go back to Alpine/Pioneer/Sony/Kenwood/JVC, especially if you have a unit that is plug & play compatible with your car. When's the last time you saw JVC include a dash kit, wiring harness, steering wheel controls, OEM rear view camera input, 128GB onboard ROM for dash/rear cam DVR, Optical Outputs, HDMI outputs, 4G Sim Card capability, a fully customizable launcher, 48 Band EQ (that can be customized to the listening habits of up to 3 users), Delay (in milliseconds), individual speaker gain control, a Highpass and Lowpass filters for: Front, Rear, & Center (so you can theoretically set it up as a bandpass filter if so desired), along with Frequency adjustments and slope (6/12/18/24 db per octave) , along with the obvious LPF for a subwoofer. All for under $500 shipped?
The answer is you can't. You haven't. You won't.
www.joyingauto.com/new-arrival-9-inch-navigation-system-head-unit-for-subaru-legacy-outback-2015-2018.html
This is an example of what I have in my own vehicle.
Does the JVC auto dim at night?
No need for preamp outputs just use an LOC like the one from Kicker and get 5 volt rca's for about $25, I've seen them tested with an smd and it is legit 5V, you don't need much more.
No need, that's what the gain levels are for.
Even $90 head units have optical output and real DSP chip inside makes tuning a breeze. They are much better than the brand unit unless your ego is to have name brands in the car.
Im looking at a joying stereo purely for the optical output to go into my alpine dsp
I have this exact Joying unit featured in this video going into JL Audio Optical input VX1000/5i (integrated DSP) and it is a match made in heaven! Absolutely Amazing!
If the Alpine DSP is similar quality to the JL and I imagine it is as I used to be an Alpine fanboy you will not regret it...
No way to connect Sirius/XM to the Joying?
I use the Sirius XM app streamed via TMobile sim chip installed in the Joying. At first I was used to the actual XM tuner and was concerned The app and streaming would not equal the actual XM tuner, but I have been using the app now on my Joying for 2 years and have never looked back. You really dont need the tuner, and Sirius XM is now offering more programming over the app than broadcast down from the satellite.
Hey brother can we install one of them joying with a iDatalink rr to our car??
Would the JVC unit work with the Nissan bird eye/surround view cameras?
Yes through the RCA inputs
@@BreakersStereo Nice, keep up the awesome content. I'll have to stop by and schedule something up at the shop.
I'll take the JVC, I've had one of those android n thought I was saving money, turned out to be more of a headache. I waisted more time n money. I bought a Kenwood with rr2 and install was done and everything worked instantly
Lack of volume knob is a showstopper for me and definitely could not stand the 2-step volume access on the joying
Steering wheel controls.
Also a benefit of the android deck, change gestures to change function. Volume up, sweep fingers up, volume down, sweep fingers down. If you need to twist a button that bad, get a girlfriend and twist nipples.
The atoto 8 are really good as well far better build
Joying has built in DSP I love you joying... I really care less on how the The box looks.
Good video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the comment
"I will attempt to remain neutral" > Starts shitting on the box. 😂
This guy hates these things since he can charge more and make more off of branded units with less features. He's just trying to separate money from your hands and come up with dumb reasons why. "The screen is clearer" oooOoOooOooOoo bull crap. What a wanker
“Attempt” 😂
Yeah...That was crazy...smh
Is there a setting to keep Joying Unit display OFF by default when car is started. I only intend on using it as a backup camera and occasionally for Navigation. Thus I don't need infotainment system to turn ON by default when Car is started. I want to explicitly turn it ON.
Wierdest request ever
You must be a homicidal maniac or something.
Wire it to a switch.
LOve your reviews, but this one seemed very biased towards the JVC which was triple the cost of the Joying. It shouldn't be that much more expensive if they compare that close
Follow the $$$
They want you to spend that money in their shop bud. It's a good showing of both. Not an actual review imho.
I bought a Idoing head unit and all worked until I decided to use an external amplifier to power the speakers. Once I did I realized why name brand head units are the way to go. I don't think I can ever trust a chinese head unit again.
What one is better for a sound system
Smh
U simply rocks keep it up
👍👍
Dear sir if I want to purchase sony es 9500 headunit can you please help me out as this headunit is not yet released in india alongwith shipping charges if possible
Thanks
Qtos whast de saída e cada um deles?
How do you change the settings between Fahrenheit and Celsius?
It's definitely in the settings. Took a minute to find it, but it's there. Lol
Does the jvc have a dsp?
Hey bro, awesome review!!! can you also do us Toyota fans a huge favor and review this Joying product made for Toyota vehicles, please? 😃 - - - Joying JY-TQ125N4G
I prefer android systems over name brand units
Let’s be clear, both units are chinese made , with different brands.
So we can make summary Joying have 10000 possibilities vs JVCs limited possibilities
Does either of them offer a cd player
No CD option
Joying offers a CD drive that hooks up through USB.
Yes, Joying has a USB cd/DVD player that works FANTASTIC!! It even allows you to RIP the music off the disks and have it saved digitally on the radio it's self so you no longer even need to have the actual cd's in your vehicle anymore once you Rip them. They support ripping them in several different media types (Mp3, WMA, FLAC etc etc) and can choose the quality you want them ripped as. For me, I do every cd as FLAC 24-BIT Loss-less for truely no loss of quality at all over the actual cd... It even downloads the album art, names of each song etc etc automatically too and saves it, so when you play the songs on the radios music player app it displays everything too properly, even the album art...
You mean 4g antenna lol
On first boot it's always the longest... every boot after it's very fast
JVC just look cheap, thick bezel. Im not spending $1500 for that. Try to turn off both unit and reboot , see which one is faster.
1500 and a bezel straight out of 2010
Onde se compra a yoing?
Why nobody talks about how useless the android functions are on these devices? I have the KW-Z1000W JVC, but I am not happy that the applications you can use are extremely limited. Many of them are half way working, I thought it will work like my phone since it is android, but it is far not that good yet. I also do not see updates on the firmware, the last one was in 2021, and frankly the user interface is pretty outdated. For such an expensive unit I would have expected better support and usability. The only thing is sound handling and Google map that works properly, but that needs continuous internet connection. Apps like "Mapsme" does not exist on this one.
Not sure I know of anyone having a China andoid head unit older that 3 years that still works
There is a Russian programmer on fb group that does customizing of the China head units
China head units w Russian customization may be open door to hacking your connected accounts as it is a computer
Agreed on lack of support for China head units. You would think one of them should hire a English understanding person to write a manual for android head unit settings
And you could borrow that person for your comments.