Congratulations on the video. Few RUclips channels that specialize in this type of subject make videos on this topic. I follow your channel precisely because you are making videos with different themes, but relevant/interesting.
You are going to love it in your car. I have two cars, each have a single DIN Joying (a 2022 model & a late 2023 model) feeding a JL Audio VX1000/5i reference grade amplifier fed direct via optical TOSLink cable. The JL Audio VXi amplifier's on board DSP paired with these is an absolute dream come true! The only combo I have ever had where there is not a single pop, hiss, buzz, noise etc. Only combo I have ever had where the system is dead silent with the volume all the way down, you literally will think the deck is off... I cant praise the two Joying units I have enough... The ONLY, and I mean ONLY complaint I have about Joying is that they have the Bluetooth subsystem locked down and you cant just pair anything with it like you can any android tablet. It's not really a huge problem but it does require that I have a laptop handy or my Android phone if ever I want to tweak the JL Audio Amplifier's DSP settings since the JL Audio Bluetooth adapter will not pair to the Joying deck, so the JL Audio Tun Mobile app cannot so far be used on the Joying head unit, which while inconvenient as that is where it really makes most sense to run it from. I unlike many others still believe in having physical media in my hand and still purchase Audio CD's and rip my CD audio and (thanks to the huge joying screen) now my BluRay movie collection ripped to lossless audio and MKV files that live on a 256GB SD card installed in the deck's sd card slot.
Good to see it actually tested. I've got the Joying with optical out to a Helix M Four DSP (so there is no signal conversion up to speaker output) and the sound quality is phenomenal using Apple Music on lossless settings. Crystal clear, noiseless, and loud if it needs to be. I do have the head units EQ flat and no bass boost. Edit: so it's confirmed that digital output has more than stereo channels, so the "DTS" feature should work via optical? In my Helix I only have two L and R channels via optical. Edit2: subjectively the head unit does sound like it boosts the highs, will definitely update my high frequency rolloff
I have the previous version Joying head unit and the digital out does carry a volume signal as well as the two audio channels. When used with a compatible dsp, it allows you to control the volume from the head unit. Sorry I can't answer your other questions. I was considering the M Four DSP as well. I'm glad you like it. Do you know if that has the option for differential rear fill?
@@JasonWW2000 I looked up differential rear fill as it's new to me. FWIW it's reported that most of the Helix's are able to do it, but can't confirm. I do know that it has a virtual processing layer where you can add a spatially sounding signal in each opposite side (left/right).
@@HAMMER_2.2I don't think there are any amplifiers on the market that have a digital input without a dsp. So I'm pretty sure he was referring to a DSP amplifier that you can run a digital signal into.
JL Audio VXi Series amplifiers with optical in\thru onboard DSP in each amplifier and if you want to go crazy with a multi VXi amplifier install add a VXi Hub that has one optical in and 5 optical outs. I have two vehicles with Joying head units feeding Optical in to JL Audio VXi DSP amplifier's. Never ever been happier! What you save on the Joying HU price you can put toward a VXi and come out even.... VXi's are pretty pricey but I have to say when I installed my first one I had not even tweaked the VXi's onboard DSP yet and I drove around with everything flat default settings (except turning on the otical jack in the amp) and was blown away even before I tweaked the JL Tun Mobile DSP sound settings. I was actually gitty when I finished tuning the system and forgot all about the cost of the VXi's. So much so I bought a second Joying and VXi pair for my second car. I will NEVER go back to line level!!!!
@@JasonWW2000, that was my original plan, but the install of the RCAs with the way I had to modify this head unit into my dash would have been a royal pain. This information here gave me good cause to switch up to a single, optical cable for a much easier install.
After going optical a year ago, I will never use analog again (especially car audio). Ive been trying to convince anyone who would listen. Its not just inaudible data/specs, you can actually hear the difference....clarity, depth and crisp highs....This was the only time were my ears appreciated the system change, more than my eyes appreciated the specs and testing results.
The arguement from me is always basically some variation of... "you are eliminating the pre-out voltage" not exactly accurate but it gets the point across quick. It's amazing what even a dongle DAC can do with analog into stock stereo.
@Shalmaneser1 bwahahaha this is exactly the situation in that vehicle. 1k for the car so it was never getting an alternator. Searching for the next vibra-victim now.
@vongdong10 honestly I don't know. I domt.know why more amps don't come with it either. U can certainly get it cheap in hi-fi. Something like the wiim is under 160 and is a killer deal in that space. Id love to see one of those with a full dsp function which i think their new ultra might.... best part is they run off a regulated 12v supply so it shoukd only need a small dc to dc converter fkr car use. Ill find out soon enuf. But I've found a decent usb-c dongle dac alone even straight into analog with a tablet can pretty much replace the headunit entirely. With more functionality of the tablet as well. And alot of us are using our phone already anyway or have old tablets lying around that might not be fast for much but absolutely will play music. The DAC takes that processing off the phones chip.
Hey Nerijus is there any way you can get your hands on an IPhone and connect it to your SMSL PO100 pro through the Apple camera kit and test the digital coax output from the SMSL? There’s a lot of us using that combination and I’m wondering just how clean it is. I know the SMSL is very clean but I have no clue how clean the iPhone through the camera kit is. Also I’ve been wanting to ask you, when you tune a system do you let REW do most of the eq work? If so what smoothing resolution do you use? Or do you do all of it manually?
Hopefully he sees this and is able to test it. I go digital from the Joying to my DSP but on occasion I will use the iPhone and PO 100 pro combo via coax to DSP.
I am looking for a 7 inch, and i'm between Atoto S8 Premium and Joying's only 7 inch. I'm leaning towards Atoto due to the design will look better. But i want the best sound quality possible to drive my Fosgate P400X4 amp. Do you have any recomendations what i should get?
If you will be using a dsp with digital input, it does not matter atoto ir joying. Choose based on design and features. If you will be using rca outs, again, both of them will.perform similarly. There is no point of going s8 premium. The premium just adds digital outputs.
I am seeking a solution where the car speaker initially runs from the factory output signal, but switches to the amplifier output once the car engine starts. This setup aims to conserve the car battery by preventing it from draining power when the car engine is not running, while still allowing me to enjoy music from the factory radio, as it consumes less power.
When listening at low volume levels you're barely using any watts of power at all. The main draw from the battery is just going to be the amplifiers idling current draw. So idle current might be a specification you want to pay attention to. I don't know of any way to do what you're asking.
Hi Raw cat I’m building a audio system and I need your suggestion on the power wire gauge I need Set up : front 3 way active and rear 2 way active Amps : two four channel amps , one mono amp , 2 more channels from dsp amplifier . 1) Class ab 4 channel amp - total rms 280 2) class d 4 channel - total rms 280 3) class d mono - rms 400 4) two channel powered by Alphine 0850x dsp amp - rms 30 can be taken I’m keeping my amps in the dicky of my i20 hatchback car , power wire needed will be 16-19 ft Based on the power , should I go with 4 ga ofc power wire or I need 0 gauge ofc wire …
@@RAW-CAt you mean 8 ga from battery to amp that is set in dicky of the car but as per the gauge rule it shows 2 gauge wire for 19 ft long and requirement of 1450 watts
@@prky009 You will never ever in your live see anything like 1400W in your setup. 500W continuous at most and that is full tilt playing bass heavy music.
Yep, good advice. You don't seem like a bass head that's going to run massive subs and amps. If you can afford 4 gauge copper, then go with that. It's a bit overkill, but it allows you to do amp upgrades later on. The hardest part is running the power gauge properly front to rear. You could run an 8 gauge now, but if you wanted to upgrade later you'd have to do all the extra labor of removing the 8 gauge and replacing it with a 4 gauge. That's such a pain in the rear. Better to do it right the first time. 👍
There is HDMI output in this headunit did you test it? It might have a better response to a better DAC with higher sampling rate. Could you please check?
Hello hello. Awesome channel. I think I will eventually watch almost every on of your videos. If I want to keep my stock head unit, what is the most economical route to start tuning? Any inexpensive amps with DSP I can use?
Yes, you can start with A budget DSP/amps from china, such as Sennoupu or Nakamichi. These cost about 150usd and will have all the functionality that you might need. Yes they will not be the cleanest and won't have very high voltage via RCAs, but if you want to learn tuning, those are great. As well get a mic, such as Umik-1 or Dayton iMM-6.
An option that might work for you is the Kicker Key amplifier. It's a 50w per channel times 4 amplifier with auto-tuning. A lot of people like it because it's easy to use and does a great job of tuning automatically. The only down side is you have very little ability to make tweaks afterwords. If you want to learn how to do tuning, etc... then the more conventional DSP amplifiers mentioned above is probably the best choice.
@@JasonWW2000 to be honest, I like tweeking and playing with tech, but I prefer set it and forget it when it comes to audio. I considered the Kicker Key but it was always out of stock at the time. Thank you for reminding me, I will look it up again.
Let's discuss the FAILURE of the bluetooth they crippled. You can see on my channel that I've been working to get them to please unlock the bluetooth so we can pair a mouse, keyboard, bluetooth under glow lights, etc... But they continue to fail in this avenue. Is it it the best head unit? For me, yes. But it could be better. And they continue to jack us around w/ crippling the bluetooth.
@@RAW-CAt Some songs on my amazon hd music are higher than 48khz and there is no option to select your bandwidth, I might have to change apps because my helix dsp mini does not have coax, only optical.
I experimented with it, it does change the signal (makes it more compressed as well), but I haven't been able to get more than 2 channels (left+right) in my amp's DSP settings, might be a limit of my amp though.
First Thank you for doing this! I would love to see more android head unit test. I been testing units my self but not at your level. What I found the Android units that have the AKM DSP option have non clipping 5V rca out. Please reach out if you would like some more info. I think the joying is over priced in my opinion.
I think your statement is based on nostalgia and ignorance. Besides, you're not even talking about a specific model, you're just referring to brands. You want to base your buying decision of a head unit on what your needs are and what works best for you. For people that want to use a digital signal into their dsp, none of those typical brands are even an option. Sony has one model of head unit with a digital out and it kind of sucks in the sense that it has a bad display and cost $1,200. So in this situation, the Joying is by far the best choice.
Man, I love this content! Major contribution to the budget minded car audio sq community.
Congratulations on the video. Few RUclips channels that specialize in this type of subject make videos on this topic. I follow your channel precisely because you are making videos with different themes, but relevant/interesting.
Perfect. i just knew you'd be happy with the performance of Joying stuff. good video as usual!
You are going to love it in your car. I have two cars, each have a single DIN Joying (a 2022 model & a late 2023 model) feeding a JL Audio VX1000/5i reference grade amplifier fed direct via optical TOSLink cable. The JL Audio VXi amplifier's on board DSP paired with these is an absolute dream come true! The only combo I have ever had where there is not a single pop, hiss, buzz, noise etc. Only combo I have ever had where the system is dead silent with the volume all the way down, you literally will think the deck is off... I cant praise the two Joying units I have enough... The ONLY, and I mean ONLY complaint I have about Joying is that they have the Bluetooth subsystem locked down and you cant just pair anything with it like you can any android tablet. It's not really a huge problem but it does require that I have a laptop handy or my Android phone if ever I want to tweak the JL Audio Amplifier's DSP settings since the JL Audio Bluetooth adapter will not pair to the Joying deck, so the JL Audio Tun Mobile app cannot so far be used on the Joying head unit, which while inconvenient as that is where it really makes most sense to run it from. I unlike many others still believe in having physical media in my hand and still purchase Audio CD's and rip my CD audio and (thanks to the huge joying screen) now my BluRay movie collection ripped to lossless audio and MKV files that live on a 256GB SD card installed in the deck's sd card slot.
I was just getting into the midrange shootout..but then I saw you just dropped this video and picked it up right away.❤
same :D
Right..I got a few of those mids. Im running the 10f now, so im super excited to see the results. I wish he had the SI M3s on that list too tho.
Good to see it actually tested. I've got the Joying with optical out to a Helix M Four DSP (so there is no signal conversion up to speaker output) and the sound quality is phenomenal using Apple Music on lossless settings. Crystal clear, noiseless, and loud if it needs to be. I do have the head units EQ flat and no bass boost.
Edit: so it's confirmed that digital output has more than stereo channels, so the "DTS" feature should work via optical? In my Helix I only have two L and R channels via optical.
Edit2: subjectively the head unit does sound like it boosts the highs, will definitely update my high frequency rolloff
I have the previous version Joying head unit and the digital out does carry a volume signal as well as the two audio channels. When used with a compatible dsp, it allows you to control the volume from the head unit. Sorry I can't answer your other questions.
I was considering the M Four DSP as well. I'm glad you like it. Do you know if that has the option for differential rear fill?
@@JasonWW2000 I looked up differential rear fill as it's new to me. FWIW it's reported that most of the Helix's are able to do it, but can't confirm.
I do know that it has a virtual processing layer where you can add a spatially sounding signal in each opposite side (left/right).
@@thefunkybassist9916 Okay, the M Four is such a good price I wasn't sure if its dsp functionality was reduced from the standalone units.
I’m glad you did this. Just got one of these head units and ran all rca’s but now I want to run coax and put in a dsp 😝
Appreciate the level of detail! Thanks!
Thank you so much.. I plan to install a high-end 8 channel class D amplifier with optical in to offset the cost of a cheaper head unit.
No dsp? Or a dsp with optical outputs?
@@HAMMER_2.2I don't think there are any amplifiers on the market that have a digital input without a dsp. So I'm pretty sure he was referring to a DSP amplifier that you can run a digital signal into.
JL Audio VXi Series amplifiers with optical in\thru onboard DSP in each amplifier and if you want to go crazy with a multi VXi amplifier install add a VXi Hub that has one optical in and 5 optical outs. I have two vehicles with Joying head units feeding Optical in to JL Audio VXi DSP amplifier's. Never ever been happier! What you save on the Joying HU price you can put toward a VXi and come out even.... VXi's are pretty pricey but I have to say when I installed my first one I had not even tweaked the VXi's onboard DSP yet and I drove around with everything flat default settings (except turning on the otical jack in the amp) and was blown away even before I tweaked the JL Tun Mobile DSP sound settings. I was actually gitty when I finished tuning the system and forgot all about the cost of the VXi's. So much so I bought a second Joying and VXi pair for my second car. I will NEVER go back to line level!!!!
Thank you for this video. You just stopped me from using the RCA outputs out of this head unit!
There's nothing really wrong with the RCA outputs, but if you are able to use the digital out, then why not.
@@JasonWW2000, that was my original plan, but the install of the RCAs with the way I had to modify this head unit into my dash would have been a royal pain. This information here gave me good cause to switch up to a single, optical cable for a much easier install.
After going optical a year ago, I will never use analog again (especially car audio). Ive been trying to convince anyone who would listen. Its not just inaudible data/specs, you can actually hear the difference....clarity, depth and crisp highs....This was the only time were my ears appreciated the system change, more than my eyes appreciated the specs and testing results.
The arguement from me is always basically some variation of... "you are eliminating the pre-out voltage" not exactly accurate but it gets the point across quick.
It's amazing what even a dongle DAC can do with analog into stock stereo.
Top ten sign your equipment is 'good enough': You can tell what the conductor had for breakfast. (when he breaks wind)
@Shalmaneser1 bwahahaha this is exactly the situation in that vehicle. 1k for the car so it was never getting an alternator. Searching for the next vibra-victim now.
Why don't most big brand headunits have optical though? I think sony is the only one that has it on their highest end model.
@vongdong10 honestly I don't know. I domt.know why more amps don't come with it either. U can certainly get it cheap in hi-fi. Something like the wiim is under 160 and is a killer deal in that space. Id love to see one of those with a full dsp function which i think their new ultra might.... best part is they run off a regulated 12v supply so it shoukd only need a small dc to dc converter fkr car use. Ill find out soon enuf. But I've found a decent usb-c dongle dac alone even straight into analog with a tablet can pretty much replace the headunit entirely. With more functionality of the tablet as well. And alot of us are using our phone already anyway or have old tablets lying around that might not be fast for much but absolutely will play music. The DAC takes that processing off the phones chip.
ATOTO.....PLEASE SEND RAWCAT S8 ULTRA. ITS IN YOUR BEST INTESEST. Im sure you will sale more units thereafter.
😅
Hey Nerijus is there any way you can get your hands on an IPhone and connect it to your SMSL PO100 pro through the Apple camera kit and test the digital coax output from the SMSL? There’s a lot of us using that combination and I’m wondering just how clean it is. I know the SMSL is very clean but I have no clue how clean the iPhone through the camera kit is.
Also I’ve been wanting to ask you, when you tune a system do you let REW do most of the eq work? If so what smoothing resolution do you use? Or do you do all of it manually?
Hopefully he sees this and is able to test it. I go digital from the Joying to my DSP but on occasion I will use the iPhone and PO 100 pro combo via coax to DSP.
Thanks!
I am looking for a 7 inch, and i'm between Atoto S8 Premium and Joying's only 7 inch. I'm leaning towards Atoto due to the design will look better. But i want the best sound quality possible to drive my Fosgate P400X4 amp. Do you have any recomendations what i should get?
If you will be using a dsp with digital input, it does not matter atoto ir joying. Choose based on design and features. If you will be using rca outs, again, both of them will.perform similarly. There is no point of going s8 premium. The premium just adds digital outputs.
Hello mr raw-cat i have a question. Could i plug in usb dac to these, and run the coaxial out from dac to helix dsp. Im not finding much info on net
Probably you can, but why? These have coax outputs.
I am seeking a solution where the car speaker initially runs from the factory output signal, but switches to the amplifier output once the car engine starts. This setup aims to conserve the car battery by preventing it from draining power when the car engine is not running, while still allowing me to enjoy music from the factory radio, as it consumes less power.
Class D amps barely consume any power at idle, so you won't save much that way. Better install a second battery and don't think about saving😉
When listening at low volume levels you're barely using any watts of power at all. The main draw from the battery is just going to be the amplifiers idling current draw. So idle current might be a specification you want to pay attention to. I don't know of any way to do what you're asking.
Hi Raw cat
I’m building a audio system and I need your suggestion on the power wire gauge I need
Set up : front 3 way active and rear 2 way active
Amps : two four channel amps , one mono amp , 2 more channels from dsp amplifier .
1) Class ab 4 channel amp - total rms 280
2) class d 4 channel - total rms 280
3) class d mono - rms 400
4) two channel powered by Alphine 0850x dsp amp - rms 30 can be taken
I’m keeping my amps in the dicky of my i20 hatchback car , power wire needed will be 16-19 ft
Based on the power , should I go with 4 ga ofc power wire or I need 0 gauge ofc wire …
You will be fine even with an 8 gauge. Run a 4 gauge if you have. No need to go bigger than that.
@@RAW-CAt you mean 8 ga from battery to amp that is set in dicky of the car but as per the gauge rule it shows 2 gauge wire for 19 ft long and requirement of 1450 watts
@@prky009 You will never ever in your live see anything like 1400W in your setup. 500W continuous at most and that is full tilt playing bass heavy music.
@@RAW-CAt ok . Then let me go with 4 ga on the safer side
Yep, good advice.
You don't seem like a bass head that's going to run massive subs and amps. If you can afford 4 gauge copper, then go with that. It's a bit overkill, but it allows you to do amp upgrades later on. The hardest part is running the power gauge properly front to rear. You could run an 8 gauge now, but if you wanted to upgrade later you'd have to do all the extra labor of removing the 8 gauge and replacing it with a 4 gauge. That's such a pain in the rear. Better to do it right the first time. 👍
Would love to see measurement of Android Auto/Carplay that uses digital via wifi.
That is coming. As well I will test usb player and external dac via otg.
There is HDMI output in this headunit did you test it? It might have a better response to a better DAC with higher sampling rate.
Could you please check?
I will test that in the future👍
Hello hello. Awesome channel. I think I will eventually watch almost every on of your videos. If I want to keep my stock head unit, what is the most economical route to start tuning? Any inexpensive amps with DSP I can use?
Yes, you can start with A budget DSP/amps from china, such as Sennoupu or Nakamichi. These cost about 150usd and will have all the functionality that you might need. Yes they will not be the cleanest and won't have very high voltage via RCAs, but if you want to learn tuning, those are great. As well get a mic, such as Umik-1 or Dayton iMM-6.
An option that might work for you is the Kicker Key amplifier. It's a 50w per channel times 4 amplifier with auto-tuning. A lot of people like it because it's easy to use and does a great job of tuning automatically. The only down side is you have very little ability to make tweaks afterwords.
If you want to learn how to do tuning, etc... then the more conventional DSP amplifiers mentioned above is probably the best choice.
@@JasonWW2000 to be honest, I like tweeking and playing with tech, but I prefer set it and forget it when it comes to audio. I considered the Kicker Key but it was always out of stock at the time. Thank you for reminding me, I will look it up again.
Let's discuss the FAILURE of the bluetooth they crippled. You can see on my channel that I've been working to get them to please unlock the bluetooth so we can pair a mouse, keyboard, bluetooth under glow lights, etc... But they continue to fail in this avenue.
Is it it the best head unit? For me, yes. But it could be better. And they continue to jack us around w/ crippling the bluetooth.
What whats the bit rate and khz of the digital outputs?
Thanks
Bitrate is not limited. Optical as everywhere else is capped at 48kHz, coax play a wider bandwidth, but Android resamples everything anyway.
@@RAW-CAt Some songs on my amazon hd music are higher than 48khz and there is no option to select your bandwidth, I might have to change apps because my helix dsp mini does not have coax, only optical.
@@vipercrazy9910 don't worry about it too much, humans don't hear past 16-17kHz 😉
Does the internal dsp effect or work on digital output?? Or just sends a clean signal to be modified regardless of what the deck says?
I experimented with it, it does change the signal (makes it more compressed as well), but I haven't been able to get more than 2 channels (left+right) in my amp's DSP settings, might be a limit of my amp though.
My unit had a hard 20hz cutoff.
That socks I like to play down to 10hz ( ib setup)
Looks cool. Can you use volume controls on a head unit to alter volume on digital outputs?.. That's an quite a useful feature to have.
Yes, you can use the volume controls. However they are very inconvenient. My volume on the HU is 100% and I use the Helix controller.
Yep they do have variable volume over the digital outs!
@@RAW-CAt why are very inconvenient?
@@JVCORTIJO because you have to reach out and look at the screen while adjusting. While driving that is not ideal.
@@RAW-CAt I use the steering wheel controls in my HU. I thought it was because of an acoustic problem.
First Thank you for doing this! I would love to see more android head unit test. I been testing units my self but not at your level. What I found the Android units that have the AKM DSP option have non clipping 5V rca out. Please reach out if you would like some more info. I think the joying is over priced in my opinion.
Hello, are you suggesting the AKM DSP can be added as a mod to the Joying head unit to improve SQ?
@@remifassol4198 no not at all. I'm saying what I found the Android units with AKM have the best outputs.
@@DJTJ13 Thanks for clarifying.
how is the helix streamer? i would like to get one and replace my head unit with it :)
Haven't tried it yet unfortunately.
very surprising.
Looks like a tda7080
Hi brother another very good video. Is it possible for you to share your email id. I need to ask few things regarding tunning my car audio setup.
rawcaraudiotuning@gmail.com
Alpine,Kenwood,jvc,Sony and Pioneer nothing is better than these head units here
How do you know that?
I think your statement is based on nostalgia and ignorance. Besides, you're not even talking about a specific model, you're just referring to brands.
You want to base your buying decision of a head unit on what your needs are and what works best for you. For people that want to use a digital signal into their dsp, none of those typical brands are even an option. Sony has one model of head unit with a digital out and it kind of sucks in the sense that it has a bad display and cost $1,200. So in this situation, the Joying is by far the best choice.
@JasonWW2000 bullshit which means your a new to this game joying is a cheap just come brand
@@brianbelcon8723Yeah, I'm kind of a newbie. I've only been doing this 30 years.
lol my Alpine's are in my closet and my Joying's are in my dash!