@@milosmittens1391 I meant there's no one in the comics that Hayward is directly based off of. Vulture was based off of Vulture, but was nothing like him. Hela was based off of Hela, but nothing like her. So on and so forth.
@@Buzz32123 was he that bad though? I feel like that was a pretty thankless role with a mediocre script that was not doing Cory Stoll any favors, but he himself plays a fine arch villain. I mean I wouldn't want to see him lead a movie or anything but throwing him on a villain squad would be safe. He could potentially play off other villain characters well and having a shrink dude on both the heroes and villains side is an interesting dynamic
@@armandogalindo7412 it’s just poking fun at nandos recent batch of “x mcu character isn’t x marvel character” Because he said heyward maybe be another character
@@2kool4rock what was the name of the character from that third season of Avengers Assemble, who was Ultron in disguise? he put that collar on Hulk to dampen his powers. and did a bunch of other things that i can't remember at the moment. (haven't watched the series in a long while. only one i remember is the 4th season with Battleworld.)
I don't dislike the theory except for one thing: it negates the character development of the Red Skull that we discovered in Endgame, that his experience with the tesseract changed his worldview. Now if they manage to work that in, then I have no problems with this idea but if he just happens to be the same Red Skull from the movies then no thank you.
“A thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.” I have a feeling these are gonna be Vision’s last words to Wanda as he “dies” again when the Hex is torn down.
@@TheRealistAsian on one hand I think it would be cool to keep vision alive since we already lost iron man and captain America and black widow in endgame on the other hand I think it would be a fitting end for vision to die again and Wanda has to finally move on.
@@tessbolick6605 They’re bringing back too many characters. We need some stakes. I know this is an adaptation of comic books but we don’t have too hew so closely to the source material that everything feels weightless. Also, if Vision returns permanently, where is the arc or growth for these characters? It’d be more interesting for Wandas character if he doesn’t. She lost her parents, then she lost her brother, then Vision. If she loses her kids on top of all that (and has Vision ripped away from her again)....all bets are off. I know that’s kind of a sexist trope, women’s emotional irrationality tied metaphorically to uncontrollable godlike power, but I think Marvel can walk the line and do something interesting with it.
@@lovecraftianleviathan8918 honestly a lot of it is because I love vision as a character, so I'm happy to see more of him any chance I get. Plus I feel like we've already seen a broken Wanda. She was at the end of her rope already. Since they've introduced two villains, they're not gonna send her to full villain ville. Something is gonna bring her back, whether it be keeping Vision, keeping new Pietro, or both.
Two notes: 1. If there is someone walking around in a Hayward body, there's one quality they would need to have to pull this off: the inability for Wanda to read his mind. We've already established Ultron can't be read by Wanda. Red Skull, despite having the serum and being crazy, is still essentially human and susceptible to being read by Wanda. If Wanda can read Hayward then the whole thing is kaput from the get-go. 2. Red Skull has zero connection to Wanda. He's familiar to the audience, but not to her. Him showing up and revealing himself would provoke the same reaction she got from Thanos in Endgame: "I don't even know who you are." Now, that situation was still interesting for the audience because we had seen their interaction in Infinity War even if this Thanos hadn't lived that, so it still worked. But Red Skull popping up would just get from Wanda, "Is this another Halloween episode?" Someone suddenly showing up in the finale that has no personal connection to Wanda but is of interest only to the audience is a problem, especially at this point in the series. It's an emotionally empty reveal that's just for the fans. And if this was going to be done it needed to be revealed to the audience _episodes_ ago, not in the finale. This would be the equivalent of the Star Trek Into Darkness. "My name is _Khan_ ." "Yeah, great, is that supposed to mean something to me?"
1. That's *if* she decides to read his mind. 2. Wanda was a member of Hydra. It is possible that she was fed some of their propaganda and thus could be familiar with him, even if not on a personal level.
I can’t believe this was right. Gotta admit it was a little weird they revealed it in a scene Hayward/Red Skull was shoveling spaghetti down his throat but you got it nonetheless.
I think that'd make him want it even more. He spent an eternity near a stone, but couldn't have it. Now, he finally has the chance to claim the power that has been just out of reach for so long.
This is a bit of a stretch, but ever since Hayward was introduced as a suspicious character, I tried analysing his name for clues. I wasn't able to rearrange the complete name into anything sensible, but I did find the etymology and definition for the word Hayward to be somewhat fitting to his current role. Noun: an officer having charge of hedges and fences around a town common, especially to keep cattle from breaking through and to impound stray cattle.
@@2kool4rock yes. Everything that predates the time travel at the beginning of season 5/the end of season 4 is in the same timeline that the movies take place in
I don't wanna be negative but, him being Red Skull is even more far fetched than him having made a deal with Mephisto, the Aerospace engineer being Reed Richards, Evan Peters being the Fox quicksilver, etc. I think. everyone is just blowing these theories out of proportion, and at least for me it just let to a bit of disappointment by raising my expectations too much. I can see him being a hydra agent though, or even working with Baron Zemo on the Falcon and the Winter Soldier
@@shoutomidoriya5044 It's plausible but far fetched. Think about it this way, the fantastic four are one of Marvel's biggest super-hero teams ever, Disney has big plans for them in the future and wants it to be great and a big deal. Why would they just randomly introduce one of the members of the fantastic four if they're not gonna get some spotlight? Or if they are getting the spotlight, then why are we taking that away from the main point of the show (Wanda and Vision)? I can see them introducing the creation of mutants in this show, or even just a nod to the fantastic four, but directly having the characters showing up is out of place from a narrative perspective as well as a behind the scenes perspective. It doesn't make sense within the story and breaks the narrative flow and themes as well. Nothing about WandaVision (as of episode 8) can justify having any sizeable cameo by Reed other than it being cool. Plus we already got the answer on who it was and it was just some soldier lady. But that's just my opinion based on what we've seen so far. With the MCU it's ALWAYS (and I'm yet to find an example in which it wasn't) the simplest explanation is the best explanation. Case in point, something weird was up with Westview, Agnes always acted strange, plot twist inside the tv show. Their answer: Agatha all along. It was simple and tied everything together without it being extra convoluted like "mephisto orchestrated this thing and Wanda stole pieces of his soul to conjure up her children and become super powerful but it all came at a cost". Even though I like that idea a lot, just having her do it all based on grieve and have Agatha as an opportunistic villain is the simplest and most digestible explanation.
@@shoutomidoriya5044 It isn't even plausible. What is escaping people is that overseas dubs have called the engineer a "She" or "Her". Voice dub studios are informed beforehand about these things as to not have contradictions later. This is too specific and is already giving out this isn't Reed.
I literally thought he was going to say Zemo instead of Red Skull, especially after watching that Zemo video. It would actually make sense and lead into F/WS
I mean maybe, but I’m doubtful because falcon and the winter soldier start streaming far sooner than Loki does. It makes more sense if Hayward is a Hydra agent, even if not a notable character prior. I always thought he was a stand in for someone much worse. Like he’s a “bad guy” but then a really bad dude shows up and essentially wipes Hayward away
@@reissoliver8853 I was thinking like... Ok, so Ultron built Vision as this like ultimate artificial being, created the most perfect form for inorganic life, and that sounds like something the High Evolutionary would totally be into.
I actually had the same thought at one point this season. I mean, I doubt it... but it would line up with the idea that Wanda's powers are kick-starting other peoples' powers.
@@omarmiller314 the rest of phase 4 should just keep adding mystery people for people to speculate on and then the big plot twist is that they were ALL DOCTOR DOOM
Hayward's reason for lying is actually pretty simple. If he got Wanda to reanimate Vision, it would be her breaking the Sokovia Accords and not him. That way he could terminate Wanda and have no choice but to keep Vision in SWORD custody. He armed the drone without telling anyone because he wanted to antagonize Wanda, hoping she'd use her magic on it. This worked, and he was able to recover the magically enhanced drone and use the power for his secret Spectral Vision animation. He plans on using Spectral Vision to eliminate Wanda and carry on with his original plan of framing her and having a sentient weapon of his own.
the drone part is a stretch....more likely the drone would be blasted and unrecoverable.....extremely unlikely that the target would willingly bring it right back to him.
Dude, the commercials are Wanda’s traumas. Hydra soak was the moment she was literally soaked by the mind stones energy while it was in Loki’s staff. Yo magic is about her time in the raft with the cognitive limiter killing her inside. They’re no one else’s.
I go with the theory that Hayward knows Wanda has huge powers. He wanted to test her and see if she could bring people back to life or create stuff. And when Wanda creates new stuff Hayward gets the idea to force Wanda to keep making Visions, and to make more weapons
If it was actually Red Skrull disguised as Hayward it would be a crazy coincidence as Hugo Weaving was V in the movie V for Vendetta, now it would be V for Vision
yeah, you're right. I really don't get why other people can't seem to get this, obviously, Vision bought the place for the 2 of them and was hoping eventually they'd be able to live there together, but after he died Wanda, who is named as next of kin, received it from his will since it was for her anyways.
@@Dagenspear At the start of Infinity War, she was in a different country and living in an apartment with Vision, she wasn’t on the run. She may have been considered a fugitive by the USA, but she wasn’t constantly moving houses, they weren’t wearing disguises... etc. Vision most likely earned enough money to buy land, and was going to buy a house, but after the situation of Infinity War, he died, so the Will transferred to Wanda. Nick Fury simply allowed them to live in the USA, or rather just Wanda.
Yeah, I think the Russos explained that the stones are technically the foundation of the universe. They don’t just control their respective aspects, they _are_ those aspects of the universe. Source: www.slashfilm.com/infinity-stones-in-endgame/
just for the memes, I want the cameo to be Nick Cage as Ghost Rider. He has mephisto connections which are still possible and Cage is great so it would be amazing to me
Ghost Rider showed up in Agents of Shield season 4 (which was still in the main timeline), Cages' character gave the spirit to a new dude, who had a dope car. He should technically still be out there somewhere, he could make portals like Dr Strange.
Ultron's voice actor is credited in the next episode. So I'm pretty sure white Vision will sound like Ultron but literally no personality, just a machine that takes Hayward's orders.
I'm pretty convinced he was just trolling everyone and it was a joke that his dream actor that he's never had a chance to work with is... himself (Vision vs White Vision).
I've been saying it non-stop for weeks: with this series possibly introducing mutants, Hayward, who has shown disdain for super-powered people, is gonna be the MCU's version of Trask/Stryker/Kelly and White Vision is his Sentinel prototype.
He's right, this theory DID age like milk. Hayward's just some guy, initially doing what he thought was right, but quickly turned bad and crazy with little build up. Also, did S.W.O.R.D. spend all 5 years since the Snap dismantling Vision's body? And how were they so sure Wanda's magic would stay on a drone, let alone power up White Vision?
When the season finale comes out, Nando should compare the season to X-Men: Last Stand and Dark Phoenix and talk about how this type of story compares between Marvel and Fox's two attempts...
Loki has a Tessaract, has the ability to change his appearance, and a history with the mind stone. Maybe it will be revealed that he has been playing a trick on Wanda to set him up as an anti-hero for his series
I don’t know. Feige doesn’t seem like he’d go crawling back to Hugo Weaving. As great as Feige is, he seems very confident and proud. He didn’t go back to Edgar Wright after Ant-Man didn’t work out, he didn’t go back to Weaving for Infinity War or Endgame, and he’s not approached Norton for anything MCU-related since The Incredible Hulk situation. I don’t think he’d change Red Skull’s actor and then go back to the original actor. Ross Marquand is perfectly fine in the role, especially since it’s a CGI face. Editing to say, still love the video. Big fan of all your work and I feel like this comment sounds super grumpy and mean!
I can definitely see Red Skull possessing Hayward, and Marvel has definitely spent time putting a lot of attention to detail and have not been shy about bringing characters back for logically written narratives that make sense in a cohesive way. This could also lead to so many possibilities for the MCU's future like Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the Thunderbolts, maybe the X-men, and Black Widow.
I really appreciate having no spoilers in the thumbnail this time. Without context of the show we have no idea who Hayward is. We know who Pietro is so his appearance at all is a spoiler. Hayward could be the dog for all I know. I genuinely really do appreciate it.
I have also been convinced Hayward is not who he seems to be, but this theory is...Wild. I would say I was more convinced he could be Mephisto, but that's probably prior bias towards the Mephisto idea. Otherwise, the idea of Hayward being Red Skull is really interesting to me. Just another week to figure out all the truths! I'm excited for this finale.
I don't know, I think if Hayward has to be someone else, I feel like Mephisto or someone actually tied to scarlet witch would be a better choice. That said, the idea of picking an already established MCU character is at least a little bit appealing considering they just did the "new character tied to comic!wanda" with agatha, so, who knows
I'm 95% sure the Stark Toaster commercial is a representation of the flashback where young Wanda and Peitro are trapped with the Stark missile: The male and female characters standing still and staring at a piece of Stark Tech with a beeping, blinking red light for an uncomfortable amount of time. The Strucker Watch commercial is a reference to the next flashback, where she is being held, experimented upon and watched by Baron von Strucker.
Yes, and the yogurt commercial is a reference to Agatha draining Yo Magic, and the Nexus commercial is about how as everything comes together it's not all about Wanda even if it is (sort of) therapy for her.
After hearing your theory, I have another theory of what might be Marvel's plan to phase 4 : Considering how the movies and series are introducing characters from the All-New All different Marvel (Jane Foster as Thor, Sam Wilson as the new Captain America, Iron Heart, Kate Bishop), it's possible that they are building towards a adaptation of a mix of "Secret Empire" and "Dark Reign", both stories where a bad guy infiltrates the goverment and manipulates events to gain more power and control. In this case, the Red Skull could use the Hayward persona to influence the goverment to not trust these new heroes, continue to invest in the sokovia accords and start to create their own "heroes" (like his project to make a new vision), claiming that it's all for the safety of the country when in reality he is just pushing the goverment to slowly turn America into a totalitarian regime with him in charge (basically what Palpatine did in the Star Wars Prequel) with him in charge. This is where the new avengers (which could be form by the new generation of heroes like Sam Wilson, Jane Foster and Riri Williams) step in to stop the Red Skull, representing the ideals that the Red Skull is trying to make America goverment to give up on, the ideals that their friends, the old avengers believed.
There is nothing that currently suggests or requires hayward to not just be Hayward, he worked below monica's mother before the snap, took over, he wanted to create an artificial superweapon that he could control to combat the avengers(probably to enforce the sokovia accords), he tried to reverse engineer visions body but it had a problem, it wouldnt function, he could put the pieces together but the mind wasnt there, he wanted wanda to bring back vision to either get a living version of him to study, reprogram him to use as a weapon, or take whatever made vision work in the past and put it in white vision. all of this totally works with him just being Hayward
@@emmakielty5552 Time travel is already an overdone thing in Marvel Comics. If the MCU stays true to the Comics, it's going to come up a lot. And Kang the Conqueror is already cast and everything.
@@mchlfx They don't strictly follow the comics but they take a lot of inspiration from them--not to mention that since Endgame shenanigans, phase four is all about the multiverse. Ant/Wasp2 is going to have Kang and the Loki show is going to have the Time Variance Authority. Time travel as a staple of the MCU is confirmed already, sorry.
Honestly the only thing that gives the theory weight is the Hydra Soap commercial. Like it’s literally the only commercial that doesn’t connect with Wanda or Agnes. I hear it’s an agent Colsen reference. But, every commercial means something to the show’s main characters, but that one is just some reference to a show that isn’t even canon? Like that has to go somewhere right?
Big swing - Hayward is full suspect - do you remember in an earlier episode when he pressed if Wanda had “super hero” name - like he already knew she was the “Scarlet Witch”?
It's kinda annoying how one note they made him, he was in the right to begin with and that would have been way more interesting if he was just trying to stop wanda because she is threatening a whole town
There is ONE character last named Hayward in the MCU who is from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. so I'm surprised you didn't mentioned him given yyou are such a big fan of the show. Great video!
The only thing that steers me away from that potentiality is that we've already done "Hydra infiltrates and secretly controls extra-governmental program". It would feel weak to pull SWORD into the MCU only to immediately follow that same trajectory.
The original title for this video:
Hayward isn't Hayward
Yeah but there isn't a Hayward on the comics which what that series is about, so...
@@cesarwitha_t there's probably a real person in the mcu called Hayward that "red skull" could be replacing.
@@milosmittens1391 I meant there's no one in the comics that Hayward is directly based off of. Vulture was based off of Vulture, but was nothing like him. Hela was based off of Hela, but nothing like her. So on and so forth.
@@cesarwitha_t it doesn't fit the pattern of his past "blank isn't blank" videos, but the statement "Hayward isn't Hayward" is still true
@@milosmittens1391 uhh sure 🤗
Maybe Hayward is the friends we made along the way.
*Enemies
So Agatha?
who would have thought that the real scarlet witch was inside us all along
@@hiroparadise8152 i want to be inside of wanda😳😳
@@deepblume6611 nooooooo no no no no
1. She is married and wouldn't consent.
2. She has Chaos Magic.
3. She has The Vision on her side.
That Darren Cross fake out had me worried for a second.
If they ever need another face in a crowd for the masters of evil it would be real easy to bring him back
@@elijahblechman8633 he was so bad though like literally no one cares if he were to come back tbh
@@Buzz32123 was he that bad though? I feel like that was a pretty thankless role with a mediocre script that was not doing Cory Stoll any favors, but he himself plays a fine arch villain. I mean I wouldn't want to see him lead a movie or anything but throwing him on a villain squad would be safe. He could potentially play off other villain characters well and having a shrink dude on both the heroes and villains side is an interesting dynamic
@@M1keFoxxx agreed
Goal wise it makes more sense than "Appathetic Space Ghost" Skull
The lack of shoehorning of Justin Hammer as Hayward disappoints me, Nando.
Justin Hayward
I was honestly expecting him to say this too
I would’ve been on his side the entire time
any excuse to _Let Rockwell Dance_
Hammer is probably the FBI informant Woo was looking for. Maybe.
So you’re basically saying “Hayward isn’t Hayward”
is this like a pun? i dont get it
@@armandogalindo7412 it’s just poking fun at nandos recent batch of “x mcu character isn’t x marvel character”
Because he said heyward maybe be another character
He’s probably just an evil dude but it would be nuts if he was a skrull.
i'm sticking with that he's Ultron in disguise. remember the cartoon series? and that one old guy who turned out to be him?
@@DonEBrooke32 if ultron comes back I’m thinking it’s gonna be the new Vision at the end of the last episode
@@DonEBrooke32 James Spader?
@@2kool4rock what was the name of the character from that third season of Avengers Assemble, who was Ultron in disguise? he put that collar on Hulk to dampen his powers. and did a bunch of other things that i can't remember at the moment. (haven't watched the series in a long while. only one i remember is the 4th season with Battleworld.)
@@cecilabbott6092 what Ultranationalist?
I don't dislike the theory except for one thing: it negates the character development of the Red Skull that we discovered in Endgame, that his experience with the tesseract changed his worldview. Now if they manage to work that in, then I have no problems with this idea but if he just happens to be the same Red Skull from the movies then no thank you.
I just think it would be a bit silly to have hydra secretly deeply integrated into Shield and then Red Skull turns out to be the director of Sword
What? That’s absurd! Hayward is obviously John Krasinski trying to sneak into the MCU.
I see you weekly wackadoo!
No that's Agent Woo, obviously
Grab that gem. Red Skull surely can't.
I get that reference!
wdym, he's already in it
"I think Hayward is..."
Me: A JUSTIN HAMMER EMPLOYEE
Nando: The Red Skull
I thought he was gonna say Justin Hammer
In this video I see a couple of nitpicks. Not unlike Nando’s podcast Mostly Nitpicking, subscribe for more content
you forgot to woohoo
“A thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.”
I have a feeling these are gonna be Vision’s last words to Wanda as he “dies” again when the Hex is torn down.
I'm gonna be honest, I _really_ hope he doesn't die. Maybe he'll just implant his consciousness into White Vision?
@@tessbolick6605 yeah I hope we lowkey get vision the way he is in the comics where he has backup drives of himself and he just gets a new body
@@TheRealistAsian on one hand I think it would be cool to keep vision alive since we already lost iron man and captain America and black widow in endgame on the other hand I think it would be a fitting end for vision to die again and Wanda has to finally move on.
@@tessbolick6605 They’re bringing back too many characters. We need some stakes. I know this is an adaptation of comic books but we don’t have too hew so closely to the source material that everything feels weightless. Also, if Vision returns permanently, where is the arc or growth for these characters? It’d be more interesting for Wandas character if he doesn’t. She lost her parents, then she lost her brother, then Vision. If she loses her kids on top of all that (and has Vision ripped away from her again)....all bets are off. I know that’s kind of a sexist trope, women’s emotional irrationality tied metaphorically to uncontrollable godlike power, but I think Marvel can walk the line and do something interesting with it.
@@lovecraftianleviathan8918 honestly a lot of it is because I love vision as a character, so I'm happy to see more of him any chance I get. Plus I feel like we've already seen a broken Wanda. She was at the end of her rope already. Since they've introduced two villains, they're not gonna send her to full villain ville. Something is gonna bring her back, whether it be keeping Vision, keeping new Pietro, or both.
Two notes:
1. If there is someone walking around in a Hayward body, there's one quality they would need to have to pull this off: the inability for Wanda to read his mind. We've already established Ultron can't be read by Wanda. Red Skull, despite having the serum and being crazy, is still essentially human and susceptible to being read by Wanda. If Wanda can read Hayward then the whole thing is kaput from the get-go.
2. Red Skull has zero connection to Wanda. He's familiar to the audience, but not to her. Him showing up and revealing himself would provoke the same reaction she got from Thanos in Endgame: "I don't even know who you are." Now, that situation was still interesting for the audience because we had seen their interaction in Infinity War even if this Thanos hadn't lived that, so it still worked. But Red Skull popping up would just get from Wanda, "Is this another Halloween episode?" Someone suddenly showing up in the finale that has no personal connection to Wanda but is of interest only to the audience is a problem, especially at this point in the series. It's an emotionally empty reveal that's just for the fans. And if this was going to be done it needed to be revealed to the audience _episodes_ ago, not in the finale.
This would be the equivalent of the Star Trek Into Darkness. "My name is _Khan_ ." "Yeah, great, is that supposed to mean something to me?"
Excellent points. What do you think about the possibility of The Leader for no. 1?
1. That's *if* she decides to read his mind.
2. Wanda was a member of Hydra. It is possible that she was fed some of their propaganda and thus could be familiar with him, even if not on a personal level.
@@MrSinjoy #reaching
ok
I'm still made about the Khan thing. Cumberbatch as the villian, fine. Want him to be an Augment, fine. But don't make him Khan.
I can’t believe this was right. Gotta admit it was a little weird they revealed it in a scene Hayward/Red Skull was shoveling spaghetti down his throat but you got it nonetheless.
Honestly, after spending what must've felt for him like an eternity, I don't think he'd go near an infinity stone again.
He probably wants another go at it since he guarded and had contact with them over the years
I think that'd make him want it even more. He spent an eternity near a stone, but couldn't have it. Now, he finally has the chance to claim the power that has been just out of reach for so long.
I think you're 💯% correct
He's going to send his Ultron to go after Wanda's Ultron.
Sorry for the nitpick, not unlike Nando's podcast mostly nitpicking.
There are some characters in Agents of Shield with the surname Hayward that are associated with Hydra
You're right but is anything that happened in Agents of Shield still canon anymore?
This is a bit of a stretch, but ever since Hayward was introduced as a suspicious character, I tried analysing his name for clues. I wasn't able to rearrange the complete name into anything sensible, but I did find the etymology and definition for the word Hayward to be somewhat fitting to his current role.
Noun:
an officer having charge of hedges and fences around a town common, especially to keep cattle from breaking through and to impound stray cattle.
Hayward is also the name of a producer
@@2kool4rock yes. Everything that predates the time travel at the beginning of season 5/the end of season 4 is in the same timeline that the movies take place in
Sad thing is that they don't consider Agents of sheild part of the MCU. But yes you are right
I don't wanna be negative but, him being Red Skull is even more far fetched than him having made a deal with Mephisto, the Aerospace engineer being Reed Richards, Evan Peters being the Fox quicksilver, etc. I think. everyone is just blowing these theories out of proportion, and at least for me it just let to a bit of disappointment by raising my expectations too much.
I can see him being a hydra agent though, or even working with Baron Zemo on the Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Ikr
reed being the aerospace engineer can be plausible though
@@shoutomidoriya5044 It's plausible but far fetched. Think about it this way, the fantastic four are one of Marvel's biggest super-hero teams ever, Disney has big plans for them in the future and wants it to be great and a big deal.
Why would they just randomly introduce one of the members of the fantastic four if they're not gonna get some spotlight? Or if they are getting the spotlight, then why are we taking that away from the main point of the show (Wanda and Vision)?
I can see them introducing the creation of mutants in this show, or even just a nod to the fantastic four, but directly having the characters showing up is out of place from a narrative perspective as well as a behind the scenes perspective.
It doesn't make sense within the story and breaks the narrative flow and themes as well. Nothing about WandaVision (as of episode 8) can justify having any sizeable cameo by Reed other than it being cool.
Plus we already got the answer on who it was and it was just some soldier lady.
But that's just my opinion based on what we've seen so far.
With the MCU it's ALWAYS (and I'm yet to find an example in which it wasn't) the simplest explanation is the best explanation.
Case in point, something weird was up with Westview, Agnes always acted strange, plot twist inside the tv show. Their answer: Agatha all along. It was simple and tied everything together without it being extra convoluted like "mephisto orchestrated this thing and Wanda stole pieces of his soul to conjure up her children and become super powerful but it all came at a cost". Even though I like that idea a lot, just having her do it all based on grieve and have Agatha as an opportunistic villain is the simplest and most digestible explanation.
@@shoutomidoriya5044 It isn't even plausible. What is escaping people is that overseas dubs have called the engineer a "She" or "Her". Voice dub studios are informed beforehand about these things as to not have contradictions later. This is too specific and is already giving out this isn't Reed.
I literally thought he was going to say Zemo instead of Red Skull, especially after watching that Zemo video. It would actually make sense and lead into F/WS
Hayward
HayWard
Ward
This has all been an elaborate scheme to get Ward into the main MCU from Agents of Shield 😳
I thought you were gonna say ward meechum or however you spell it from Iron Fist
@@gabrielgibson5314 lol I said from AOS because he always found some way to come back (from seasons 1-4) whether he was dead or not
@@theoneandonlywill6697 please no, they brought him back to life like 10 times in that series, Ward is dead and please stop resurrecting him.
@@darkmyro Eww no. Tune in next friday for a new episode of Wardavision
IT WAS WARD ALL ALONG
I enjoy the ambition of being like "here's an idea that may immediately be wrong!"
Yes, it's worthy of respect to propose a theory that you admit has no hope of being correct, just for the fun of contemplating it with everyone.
The biggest thing going against this theory is, Red Skull has no chill while Hayward passes as a normal human being who can, like, smile with warmth
For a sec I thought you'd say it was going to be Loki. And then the end of this would spin off into the Loki show at the end.
Came here to say this!
Ditto
I mean maybe, but I’m doubtful because falcon and the winter soldier start streaming far sooner than Loki does. It makes more sense if Hayward is a Hydra agent, even if not a notable character prior. I always thought he was a stand in for someone much worse. Like he’s a “bad guy” but then a really bad dude shows up and essentially wipes Hayward away
What would his motive be though?
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I'll just wildly throw out that he is High Evolutionary
He is creating life. Hmmmmmmmmm
@@reissoliver8853 I was thinking like... Ok, so Ultron built Vision as this like ultimate artificial being, created the most perfect form for inorganic life, and that sounds like something the High Evolutionary would totally be into.
I actually had the same thought at one point this season. I mean, I doubt it... but it would line up with the idea that Wanda's powers are kick-starting other peoples' powers.
Nah he is going to be the villain in gotg 3
No way he is the villain here
This was my thought, especially after Hayward mentions Wanda's powers
Heywood turns out to be a badly written stock character all along.
Turns out, Hayward is just another big gray villain.
Another Generic white guy in charge being a bad guy for no logical reason
@@logankowalyk2580 what do u mean no logical reason? Hayward is a bad guy in this show because he bad intentions not just because he’s white
When you said who would want to combine a robot and magic I immediately thought you were going Doctor Doom.
Same here honestly, lol, Doctor Doom would be an interesting villain for this arc of the MCU.
@@TheRunningLeopard I think he's the perfect choice for a villain since he's essentially a mix of Ironman, Dr strange and black panther.
He could also be an aerospace engineer, he's smart enough
@@omarmiller314 the rest of phase 4 should just keep adding mystery people for people to speculate on and then the big plot twist is that they were ALL DOCTOR DOOM
Doctor Doom did try to marry Wanda once, lol.
So Hayward was actually Barty Crouch Jr the whole time while the real Hayward was in a comically large chest?
Personally, i think Loki being Hayward would be much more plausible than Red Skull.
Hayward's reason for lying is actually pretty simple. If he got Wanda to reanimate Vision, it would be her breaking the Sokovia Accords and not him. That way he could terminate Wanda and have no choice but to keep Vision in SWORD custody. He armed the drone without telling anyone because he wanted to antagonize Wanda, hoping she'd use her magic on it. This worked, and he was able to recover the magically enhanced drone and use the power for his secret Spectral Vision animation. He plans on using Spectral Vision to eliminate Wanda and carry on with his original plan of framing her and having a sentient weapon of his own.
the drone part is a stretch....more likely the drone would be blasted and unrecoverable.....extremely unlikely that the target would willingly bring it right back to him.
That sort of makes sense, and I think it's more interesting than having red skull scoobydoo his way back into the mcu.
All these theory videos are really fun to watch since the show has wrapped up :D
Dude, the commercials are Wanda’s traumas. Hydra soak was the moment she was literally soaked by the mind stones energy while it was in Loki’s staff. Yo magic is about her time in the raft with the cognitive limiter killing her inside. They’re no one else’s.
I go with the theory that Hayward knows Wanda has huge powers. He wanted to test her and see if she could bring people back to life or create stuff. And when Wanda creates new stuff Hayward gets the idea to force Wanda to keep making Visions, and to make more weapons
Theory inspired by Film Theory?
Sentinels?
I like this theory. I like it even better if we find out this is like, the 5th time they've done this to her somehow.
“Who mailed the deed?”
The Deed: -V (As in Vision)
Most likely Nick Fury.
If it was actually Red Skrull disguised as Hayward it would be a crazy coincidence as Hugo Weaving was V in the movie V for Vendetta, now it would be V for Vision
yeah, you're right. I really don't get why other people can't seem to get this, obviously, Vision bought the place for the 2 of them and was hoping eventually they'd be able to live there together, but after he died Wanda, who is named as next of kin, received it from his will since it was for her anyways.
@@elijahcabacungan2915 Wanda was on the run.
@@Dagenspear At the start of Infinity War, she was in a different country and living in an apartment with Vision, she wasn’t on the run. She may have been considered a fugitive by the USA, but she wasn’t constantly moving houses, they weren’t wearing disguises... etc. Vision most likely earned enough money to buy land, and was going to buy a house, but after the situation of Infinity War, he died, so the Will transferred to Wanda. Nick Fury simply allowed them to live in the USA, or rather just Wanda.
Technically Thanos didn't destroy the stones...he _reduced_ them to atoms. Atoms which still exist in this universe...
Yeah, I think the Russos explained that the stones are technically the foundation of the universe. They don’t just control their respective aspects, they _are_ those aspects of the universe.
Source: www.slashfilm.com/infinity-stones-in-endgame/
White Vision is white with blue eyes. Red Skull makes sense.
Lol, I think I'm gonna make a new tradition of going back and watching all the wrong theories after finishing a Marvel series...
I honestly have no idea why people were trying to make Hayword bigger than he was.
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"And hey, that's just a theory"
me: "Nando no!"
Your videos are so satisfying and I just love them. The theories, the breakdowns, it's perfect! Just wanted to say that
"Find the Goddess Within" from the Hydra Soak ad totally fits with Wanda after her exposure to the Mind Stone.
If you're gonna give somebody a name because it's an anagram of Hydra, why Hayward, which has two additional letters, and not Hardy?
just for the memes, I want the cameo to be Nick Cage as Ghost Rider. He has mephisto connections which are still possible and Cage is great so it would be amazing to me
Ghost Rider showed up in Agents of Shield season 4 (which was still in the main timeline), Cages' character gave the spirit to a new dude, who had a dope car. He should technically still be out there somewhere, he could make portals like Dr Strange.
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I think he could be some type of Bolivar Trask and create Sentinels, which would make sense since he is developing weapons and technology
Ultron's voice actor is credited in the next episode. So I'm pretty sure white Vision will sound like Ultron but literally no personality, just a machine that takes Hayward's orders.
I didn't know he was credited. But I *DID* suspect that they might do something like that with white Vision's voice.
That sounds very plausible but it’s an absolute waste of James Spader
I think he's probably just a greedy and ambitious director. Not necessarily evil
probably more scared than greedy. fear is a great motivator, i mean its been Fox News's weapon for years.
@@elijahcabacungan2915 yes
I think Bettany’s dream actor to work with is just Benedict Cumberbatch.
He’s already worked with Benedict Cumberbatch
@L Zil my thoughts exactly.
@@chasealbertjackson964 yeah
I'm pretty convinced he was just trolling everyone and it was a joke that his dream actor that he's never had a chance to work with is... himself (Vision vs White Vision).
This is the best hailmary pass I have heard. I am hoping for this more so than Mephisto.
Nando gives his Venn diagram.
Me: Oh yeah, I guess it could be one of the Loki's.
Nando: Red Skull!
Thank you! Every "recap" is missing all there questions, which seemed the most important to me when watching!
Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heros needs a third season.
so you’re telling me-hayward isn’t hayward?
I've been saying it non-stop for weeks: with this series possibly introducing mutants, Hayward, who has shown disdain for super-powered people, is gonna be the MCU's version of Trask/Stryker/Kelly and White Vision is his Sentinel prototype.
I hope they don't even do the sentinels in the MCU
He's right, this theory DID age like milk. Hayward's just some guy, initially doing what he thought was right, but quickly turned bad and crazy with little build up. Also, did S.W.O.R.D. spend all 5 years since the Snap dismantling Vision's body? And how were they so sure Wanda's magic would stay on a drone, let alone power up White Vision?
When the season finale comes out, Nando should compare the season to X-Men: Last Stand and Dark Phoenix and talk about how this type of story compares between Marvel and Fox's two attempts...
Loki has a Tessaract, has the ability to change his appearance, and a history with the mind stone. Maybe it will be revealed that he has been playing a trick on Wanda to set him up as an anti-hero for his series
Ross Marquand, the current actor for the Red Skull, is a master impressionist
Looking back after Multiverse of Madness, Hayward was the real hero
He would doom the entire city to be eternally trapped on a sitcom if he succeded in killing Wanda. He is not the hero
He's definitely Madame Masque.
I don’t know. Feige doesn’t seem like he’d go crawling back to Hugo Weaving. As great as Feige is, he seems very confident and proud. He didn’t go back to Edgar Wright after Ant-Man didn’t work out, he didn’t go back to Weaving for Infinity War or Endgame, and he’s not approached Norton for anything MCU-related since The Incredible Hulk situation. I don’t think he’d change Red Skull’s actor and then go back to the original actor. Ross Marquand is perfectly fine in the role, especially since it’s a CGI face.
Editing to say, still love the video. Big fan of all your work and I feel like this comment sounds super grumpy and mean!
I can definitely see Red Skull possessing Hayward, and Marvel has definitely spent time putting a lot of attention to detail and have not been shy about bringing characters back for logically written narratives that make sense in a cohesive way. This could also lead to so many possibilities for the MCU's future like Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the Thunderbolts, maybe the X-men, and Black Widow.
would have been cool, but was more complex than what the writters were capable of.
they could still reveal him being a skrul
Hayward is Mephisto or The Grim Reaper. Just saying.
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I really appreciate having no spoilers in the thumbnail this time. Without context of the show we have no idea who Hayward is. We know who Pietro is so his appearance at all is a spoiler. Hayward could be the dog for all I know. I genuinely really do appreciate it.
I have also been convinced Hayward is not who he seems to be, but this theory is...Wild.
I would say I was more convinced he could be Mephisto, but that's probably prior bias towards the Mephisto idea. Otherwise, the idea of Hayward being Red Skull is really interesting to me. Just another week to figure out all the truths! I'm excited for this finale.
Using the same criteria ... he could be Loki, a known shapeshifter and meddler. Hows that for an even longer shot.
I don't know, I think if Hayward has to be someone else, I feel like Mephisto or someone actually tied to scarlet witch would be a better choice. That said, the idea of picking an already established MCU character is at least a little bit appealing considering they just did the "new character tied to comic!wanda" with agatha, so, who knows
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I typically don’t bother commenting, but I really enjoy your content. I’m always eager to see your next video.
I wonder if Hayward knows what The Scarlet Witch is and has had a suspicion that's what Wanda is all along, hence asking if she has a "funny name".
I'm 95% sure the Stark Toaster commercial is a representation of the flashback where young Wanda and Peitro are trapped with the Stark missile: The male and female characters standing still and staring at a piece of Stark Tech with a beeping, blinking red light for an uncomfortable amount of time.
The Strucker Watch commercial is a reference to the next flashback, where she is being held, experimented upon and watched by Baron von Strucker.
Yes, and the yogurt commercial is a reference to Agatha draining Yo Magic, and the Nexus commercial is about how as everything comes together it's not all about Wanda even if it is (sort of) therapy for her.
i hope its not Red Skull if for no other reason than i dont want another "It was the Nazis the whole time!" thing
After hearing your theory, I have another theory of what might be Marvel's plan to phase 4 : Considering how the movies and series are introducing characters from the All-New All different Marvel (Jane Foster as Thor, Sam Wilson as the new Captain America, Iron Heart, Kate Bishop), it's possible that they are building towards a adaptation of a mix of "Secret Empire" and "Dark Reign", both stories where a bad guy infiltrates the goverment and manipulates events to gain more power and control.
In this case, the Red Skull could use the Hayward persona to influence the goverment to not trust these new heroes, continue to invest in the sokovia accords and start to create their own "heroes" (like his project to make a new vision), claiming that it's all for the safety of the country when in reality he is just pushing the goverment to slowly turn America into a totalitarian regime with him in charge (basically what Palpatine did in the Star Wars Prequel) with him in charge. This is where the new avengers (which could be form by the new generation of heroes like Sam Wilson, Jane Foster and Riri Williams) step in to stop the Red Skull, representing the ideals that the Red Skull is trying to make America goverment to give up on, the ideals that their friends, the old avengers believed.
I like this theory. It’s probably too creative for marvel to do at this point. And I don’t think the resolution of WandaVision counts it out.
Hayward knew wanda had the power to revive vision...NO ONE KNEW WANDA COULD DO THAT!!!!
Red Skull just chilling not protecting the soul stone anymore
I don't think this theory is even remotely possible but I absolutely love that you put it out here.
This reminds me of a Seinfeld bit “What’s the deal with airplane food?”
I was so sure you were going to say Loki, but man do you make a great case. I’ll see you on Friday !
Hayward’s really a Spaceball.
There is nothing that currently suggests or requires hayward to not just be Hayward, he worked below monica's mother before the snap, took over, he wanted to create an artificial superweapon that he could control to combat the avengers(probably to enforce the sokovia accords), he tried to reverse engineer visions body but it had a problem, it wouldnt function, he could put the pieces together but the mind wasnt there, he wanted wanda to bring back vision to either get a living version of him to study, reprogram him to use as a weapon, or take whatever made vision work in the past and put it in white vision. all of this totally works with him just being Hayward
NANDO YOU PUT MY THOUGHTS INTO A VIDEO
I'VE BEEN ASKING MY FRIENDS THAT SINCE FRIDAY
Never been this early, amazing content and your analysis always make me think
Our phase four villain is literally Kang the conqueror.
@@emmakielty5552 Time travel is already an overdone thing in Marvel Comics. If the MCU stays true to the Comics, it's going to come up a lot. And Kang the Conqueror is already cast and everything.
@@M00nSlippersMarvel Studios doesn’t have to do stuff the comics did... and they haven’t so far, either
@@mchlfx They don't strictly follow the comics but they take a lot of inspiration from them--not to mention that since Endgame shenanigans, phase four is all about the multiverse. Ant/Wasp2 is going to have Kang and the Loki show is going to have the Time Variance Authority. Time travel as a staple of the MCU is confirmed already, sorry.
The ending is great! Love this channel!
Last time I was this early, the hospital had to put me in a little glass box before my mother could bring me home.
Whoever wrote that joke was pretty clever.
The biggest jump is that Red Skull is back on earth and cares about conquest again but once you get past that the theory fits quite well
Honestly the only thing that gives the theory weight is the Hydra Soap commercial. Like it’s literally the only commercial that doesn’t connect with Wanda or Agnes. I hear it’s an agent Colsen reference. But, every commercial means something to the show’s main characters, but that one is just some reference to a show that isn’t even canon? Like that has to go somewhere right?
Hydra = the flashback scene with Wanda in AoU
Big swing - Hayward is full suspect - do you remember in an earlier episode when he pressed if Wanda had “super hero” name - like he already knew she was the “Scarlet Witch”?
Badly aged
Being interested in technology and the mystic arts. I really thought you were going to say he was working for Dr. Doom.
It's kinda annoying how one note they made him, he was in the right to begin with and that would have been way more interesting if he was just trying to stop wanda because she is threatening a whole town
@Radical Larry Wow. What a radical idea! 🤦🏼♂️
There is ONE character last named Hayward in the MCU who is from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. so I'm surprised you didn't mentioned him given yyou are such a big fan of the show. Great video!
To bad Hayward doesn’t fit the profile for Dr Doom
We will get the greatest Marvel supervillain... someday...
Was not expecting that! And I love it.
Hayward will probably say: “Hail Hydra” in the end.
The only thing that steers me away from that potentiality is that we've already done "Hydra infiltrates and secretly controls extra-governmental program". It would feel weak to pull SWORD into the MCU only to immediately follow that same trajectory.
You got me with the Cross thing for a minute
I'ma make a prediction about this theory: no.
I was a bit surprised/mildly disappointed that the soap commercial wasn't for Tahiti. After all...
It's a magical place
I was betting on him being Dr. DOOM. DOOM OR Mephisto/nightmare.
Hayward is Ralph. Simple as that.
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You have no idea how much I want this